tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN November 18, 2015 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
times. all of the patients treated in the hospital would survive. >> all of them are expected to survive. miraculous amid such bloodshed and hate, our thanks to that doctor and so many doctors that saved lives. thank you for joining us tonight. our coverage continues right now with "ac 360." good evening. thanks for joining us tonight. isis threatens new york showing what they plan to do how and possibly where. also, exclusive video tonight which you'll see in a moment of the raid here this morning that may have prevented another massacre with only minutes to spare. another mass cure because of the one suspects blew herself up, a female suicide bomber. we got audio and video of that woman seconds before she detonated herself. we'll play that tonight and new developments detailing how police uncovered the cell and
found the hideout and attacks they believe they stopped. we'll hear from witnesses to the raid itself including some that captured it on camera. new exclusive images and sound of last night's daring raid. at 4:20 a.m. local time, the operation is launched. the target, the suspected organizers of friday's attack in paris left 129 innocent dead and hundreds wounded. [ gunshots ]. >> french police and military swarm the suburb of paris zeroing in on one apartment where the alleged isis terrorists abdelhamid abaqoud is believed to be. >> you can actually hear the gunshots. >> this resident recorded the scene from his apartment. >> they continuous shooting sounded like fireworks.
and then the suicide were like fireworks but a bigger scale. >> authorities stormed the building, a woman believed to be the cousin of abdelhamid abaqoud blows herself up. the battle is just beginning. officers fight their way to the third floor apartment. this woman lives in the building. >> translator: we could see the bullets. the light of the laser pointing our way. really it was explosions and we could feel the building really shaking. i could hear the guys upstairs running and screaming at each other no, no, shouting, this way. >> reporter: a french cka man de team -- >> an explosion has just gone off. this is still very much an on going operation. this was quite a large explosion in that direction. a second one now. >> the explosions cause one floor in the apartment building to collapse. the raid expands to another
apartment building nearby and a church. police batter think way through the door. all told, seven men and one woman taken into custody. in the raid at least two terror suspects are killed. the female suicide bomber and another shot by police sniper but investigators are finding body parts in the rubble of the collapsed apartment building floor, so that number of dead may rise. the question is is one of them the target of the raid, suspected ringleader abdelhamid abaqoud? dna testing will give us the answer. well, as all that happened, isis put out a video threatening new york city. we'll show you three frames showing a bomb a and a bomber and images of crowded locations in new york. you'll remember just a couple days ago, the terror group called for attacks in washington d.c. as well. joining us now with the latest is cnn's debra far.
>> they remain focussed on france and britain and the united states and there are three types of attacks they are planning. car bomb, sharp shooters and third, the suicide belts and when you see the suicide belts, the word usa comes up in the corner and what you see is first, men praying and then this bomb, that is the bomb, that is the sexual belt you see him zipping up his jacket. we're not showing you the actually material, detonation cords and what appears to bebel his jacket. we're not showing you the actually material, detonation cords and what appears to be bbs. it carries a pack, a punch of 25,000 feet per second. it would clearly cut an individual in half but the bbs are especially concerning because those bbs act as
shrapnel and that causes damage. those injured were injured because of the bbs and shrapnel. it's times square, herald square and other scenes in new york but they are clearly focused and again, car bomb, sharp shooters and suicide belts and that's the message they are putting out tonight, anderson. >> and any response from city officials? >> well, clearly, they are very concerned. they say that new york is always a target, they always take things seriously and being incredib incredibly vehicle lent. they are heavily armed and ready to respond should it occur. clearly, there is a big owning on the jts and fbi to make sure they have the right surveillance and intelligence so it's not just a matter of responding to the attack but of preventing it, as well, anderson.
>> thanks very much. i'm here with senior international correspondent claricl clarissa ward and paul crook shank. how seriously do you take this threat? >> i think they have to treat it quite seriously because isis is the richest terrorist group in history and has an extraordinary number of recruits, more than 6,000 extremists that traveled to syria and iraq to join and in libya and sinai and all different parts of the world, as well, and one of the biggest ambitions now is to launch a terrorist attack in the united states. the most likely scenario that could happen would be for them to send european recruits on planes from places like france, places like the u.k. germany into the united states and i think very disturbing that
at least some of these individuals in this plot were not on those watch lists. they could -- it would appear from everything we've been told have gone on planes, come to the united states, built bombs there, bought guns there, launched the attack there. i think that's something that people really need to think about very carefully. >> clarissa, the other option is somebody living inside the united states who may not have a direct connection to isis but wants to get notoriety and wants to sort of be ideology moe v motivated. >> isis is calling for that, if you have a car, run someone over, if you have a knife, stab someone, whoever you are, whatever weapon it takes go out and attack someone. to piggy back on what paul said, i think it's very natural for isis. this was a propaganda victory for them and they are going to milk it for every last cent they can. >> their sense of timing is, you know, is very astud from a
public relation standpoint. they know the world is watching so they are putting out messages showing direct threats. they are showing a few individual screen grabs. in terms of the raid, let's talk about what you witnessed. what people there are witnessing and an extraordinary turn of vents because we had been led to believe this alleged ringleader of friday's attacks were in syria and now police say he could be in paris. >> just yesterday we reported french and coalition forces tried to target him with air strikes inside isis territory and now raids going on for seven hours this morning, anderson. more than 5,000 bullets fired by police and we actually managed to get up on to a rooftop behind the apartment building. you could see the scale of the blast, the windows had been blown out. all the wall was marked with heavy ammunitions and we could see inside forensics experts inside with cameras taking
samples, looking for dna because of course, we know two people died in that apartment building. we know one of them is believed to be the cousin of the ringleader but we don't know who the second person was that was killed and authorities will be very, very, very keen to find out it was if abaaoud or salah abdeslam. >> we learned from a belgium official they had actually spent time in jail together and that's perhaps where they met and that's perhaps where it was this -- the plan was hatched but certainly that is their connection. >> they all knew each other. they basically grew up together in this part of brussels. both those brothers involved in the attack and involved in gangster is m tonight, robberies things like that. some of them went to jail, in
and out of jail. petty crime and eventually sort of graduating towards it would appear isis terror. >> for all these guys talk of religious convictions, i mean, they are petty thugs and criminals. >> one of the best quotes i heard, anderson, this was from a young french guy held hostage by isis and he said they are street kids drunk on glory and ideology and i think from the interaction i've had from various isis fighters that captures it. this is a hybrid part radical, part criminal and toxic for authorities. >> it's fascinating because it's not just first generation immigrants, people that immigrated here turning against the society that welcomed them or allowed them to come here but it's second generation. it's the kids of those immigrants that grew up here, grew up listening to rap music and grew up part of this society and as you said, petty criminals who have turned against it.
>> that's absolutely right. they don't feel part of main stream society. they feel opposed to it that's why they are getting involved in gangster. these are radicals that have become islam radicalized and that's a very, very important distinction. radicals first and islam and then they have all these sort of gang stills. they are moving over as one official told me in a super gang over to syria and iraq and then that sort of violence really sort of jives with this sort of violent isis respect through fear. >> there is such a next sustained of family members, brothers doing it, friends just like as in a gang. people who live on the same block. >> this is a big change. it used to be recruiting was done in mosques and people fighting jihad were speaking arabic in caves and now it's in
the community and much tougher. >> we'll talk more about this. we're on for two hours. clarissa, paul cruickshank and we'll be joined by neighbors that listened. brought us exclusive pictures and sound of the whole thing unfolding. [ gunshots ] whei just put in the namey, of my parents and my grandparents. and as soon as i did that, literally it was like you're getting 7, 9, 10, 15 leaves that are just popping up all over the place. yeah, it was amazing. just with a little bit of information, you can take leaps and bounds. it's an awesome experience.
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top of the broadcast, it may take dna testing to determine whether the alleged architecture of friday's masseur was killed. the commando team used firing t rounds of ammunition and a female blew herself up. this happening on a street with neighbors watching and listening and capturing those terrifying moments on video. take a look. [ gunshots [ gunshots ]. [ gunshots ].
[ gunshots ]. >> axle and stef took that video and join us now. thanks very much for being with us. did you realize what was happening when the shots began? >> actually, we were not realizing but it was the assault. he was thinking it was a terrorist attack. >> you thought it was an attack by terrorists. >> i thought they were going in house to kill people and i was shaking and we -- i took a few minutes to understand it was app assault from policemen. >> you finally were able to see the police. >> we called them. >> you called them. >> we called police and she didn't know what was happening so i took the phone to make her hear the shotguns and she said okay, i hear them. took information and came back to us and said stay inside.
don't move. close the window and everything and then we just told the police special forces arriving in the streets. >> you saw the guys. >> that was scary at the beginning. >> when this went on for hours and hours and hours. >> two hours, i think. >> intense. >> explosions. >> were you scared the whole time? >> no, in the beginning. we were very scary and after it was like okay -- >> we calm down because we saw it was special forces were taking the thing in control, keeping control. >> they were going in the street to say to people stay at home so the danger wasn't really in our place. >> but you could feel the explosions. i mean, you're very, very close in your apartment. you can feel the shaking. >> but i think it was the
shocking of the sound that like we were every time, we were hearing a sound like -- it was scary. >> you lost friends at the bataclan concert hall. >> yeah. >> and this must have made you think about that all over again. >> yeah, when you hear all the shotguns like coming, like it's a sound of it, it makes me feel like all my friends were in the venue, what they are feeling before they die or just like the one who escape, the traumatized -- >> the trama. >> the trama they have now is a terrible feeling so for me, i was living something not that important compared to them that what they lived on friday night. so. >> what do you want people to know about what is happening here? do you want people around the world to know? >> i want them to know that in
france we are more than free. we're really at peace. it's a country of freedom. when you see what people can make behind us -- >> here at the monument. >> it's beautiful. i want them to continue to leave this and go to venue -- >> to go listen to music, to enjoy life. >> to have a drink with your friend on the terrace. everything what people can do and to have a thought of the victims in the world because we lived that in france but syrian also victims in their country. so it's really important that we thought for all the victims in this world like it's -- >> we have to do it worldwide. the attacks everywhere. so we talking too much about
france i think. >> are you scared? are you frightened? >> now? >> yeah. >> no. >> i mean, we were talking before and it sounds like you're more determined than ever to live your life, to do all the things, to listen to rock music. >> yeah. >> because the terrorists don't want you to. this is an assault on your life. >> they want to impose their way of thinking and we have to do the same. it's a war. ideology war, so we do it. >> thank you very much for talking with us. >> thank you. >> so sorry for the loss of your friends. >> thank you. coming up next, suicide bomber who blew herself up during today's raid. we'll have more on who she was and the phenomenon of female jihads and the picture of a soda can bomb sent out by isis and the group saying this is what took down the russian airline last month and experts' opinion when we come back. ♪
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exclusive video we've been showing you, we've obtained vid wroe a owe of a pivotal moment before she blew herself up. the camera capturing the shouted exchange between police and the bomber reportedly abdelhamid abaqoud's cousin, listen. [ gunshots ]. >> i want to show that again. police asking where is your boyfriend. the woman shouting he's not my boyfriend and seconds later, the explosion you hear is the woman setting off her suicide bomb. [speaking foreign language]. [ gunshots ]. >> just hours later, this was the scene outside the apartment building targeted by french swat
teams. you can see police combing through the apartment. that was the scene for most of the day. rick robertson joins us. what is happening now in the building where the raid happened? >> anderson, in the last five minutes there is another controlled dead natitonation fr inside the building. they found ammunition, their own ammunition. they had a controlled detonation. down there on the left hand side, there are police officers going in and out of the building and ever so often, you see the officers in forensic suits coming in and out. we heard the prosecutor earlier saying that the bodies in there were hard to retrieve because the building was not structurally safe. there is a team of carpenters working in the building hauling in huge planks of wood to sure it up. the process of going through the building to recover whatever
remains are in there, which are possibly going to help the police through dna evidence to identify whether abdelhamid abaqoud was killed or someone else that died inside that building. that process is still going on. police tell us this work right now could take up to 24 hours and as we heard with that controlled detonation, this is not particularly easy work. there are concerns the structure explosives are part of their worries right now, anderson. >> nic, it's such an incredible turn of events as we talked about with clarissa ward earlier, just yesterday we heard that abdelhamid abaqoud more than likely was still in syria, that a month or so ago he was targeted by u.s. by french bombers and now the idea that he was able to get back into europe, into france is really
extraordinary given that he is on police radar and has been wanted for quite sometime. >> what is particularly extraordinary about it is over the past 36, 48 hours, his name is associated with the attack on friday, his face has been all over the newspapers, all over television, certainly people in this city will be incredibly aware of what he looks like so for him to come into this city or to be seen in this neighborhood, there were reports earlier that he might have gone to prayers early in the morning which seems to beg a belief somebody could be so bold to believe their face is so recognizable now and is being seen by tens of hundreds of thousands of people in this city, that they would be out on the streets here or even getting themself into an apartment. i think there are a lot of questions about his whereabouts and for the police, that is
very, very major on going question that the dna analysis will shed light on. >> yeah, nic robertson, thanks very much. we want to bring in cnn intelligence and former cia officer bob bear and professor of security studies and author of bombshell, the many faces of women terrorists and analyst at university of paris. julian, thanks for being with us. it seems like this kind of nexus of people has grown over the last 24 hours. initially it was thought there was eight people involved on friday night and then there was a report there could be a ninth, a second person spotted in the vehicle with salah and another group. >> it's a whole network. we thought there were three teams and the last one.
and there was actually a fourth one then hiding in a safe house and the french television reported that they were planning some other attacks on the airport and on the france. it's not confirmed but a general prosecutor said that the attacks were imminent meaning on these points, the intelligence and security service acted promptly with good intel and that was hopefully the case. >> yeah, and the suicide bomber in this raid, you say she is the first ever known female isis suicide bomber, obviously there have been others from other groups in other conflicts. but did -- i mean, do we know that for a fact and if so, what does it actually say about isis? >> so, isis has been very clear that there is not a front line role for women. they have put out a number of documents, both in english and
arabic saying for the most part women have a secondary role, cooking, cleaning, child care. they use them almost as a form of currency as they gift them. these are not women that get to be suicide bombers and the sisters went on social media saying i wish i could be a suicide bomber. this would be the first time we saw an isis woman. interestingly enough, my colleague charlie winter just in october discovered within the isis chat rooms a document circulated that explained what is the small and few categories in which a woman could be more proactive and one of the category as woman could detonate an ied would be if she was about to be attacked in her own house.
it's where isis is allowing women to be on the front lines. >> it's fascinating and bob, this raid, we understand it came after wiretap by french and belgium security agencies after that tap indicated abdelhamid abaqoud's female cousin was at the residence. that combined with cell phone or cell phones recovered in the wake of the attacks on friday. it seems like that's been a huge break for investigators. >> yeah, anderson, exactly. what the break is of course were the attacks on friday because the french have something to go on. before these people were suspects and hadn't committed crimes and weren't necessarily connected because they are using encrypted communications and the rest of it and once the event curves, it's easy to put pieces together and reconstruct the meta data and get these people. once they saw the nature of the attacks on friday, the suicide bomb they had to be careful and use extreme force. doing a take down of a house
when people are inside with suicide vests, you just have to use absolute total force to do this and in this -- by the way, this is why they are blowing explosives in place because these explosives are so unstable tatp and these raids are going to be a mess. >> julian, the idea that nic robertson mentioned there are some who believe that this alleged planner went to prayers this morning. the idea that he could go out publicly, if in fact it's true he went to public prayers and not have other people report him in does point to the distrust between many in the muslim neighborhoods here in paris and law enforce themecemenenforceme >> the distrust we're speaking about is not always the case. there is some radicalized in france but these reports saying
that abaaoud may have not been to the mosque. meaning there is a thin line between criminality. >> it seems a number of these particularly young men come from some sort of petty background, robberies and the like and we were talking earlier, they really often times they are within families, brothers or grew up in the same street. it's an extension of gang life, almost. >> it's not surprising that since 2012 for instance, the raid, the kind of swat, the very high level swat that we have works with the anti gang brigade and i think it's a symbol two worlds melting and even for the weapons for instance, they got some ak-47 and explosives and so on which is typically criminality, some of them sells drugs and so on which is not at
all related to the -- how could i say? very pure religion they want to show and we know that isis is using the attack on drug so we see that there is a translation between the jihad galaxy from al qaeda where the organiigins yem and so on. >> to julian's point, for all the alleged religious backing for these guys, there really are just petty thugs and criminals and they really don't have much knowledge about religious text. >> it's absolutely true that we've seen isis go through different cycles of recruitment. at the beginning when they needed a lot of people, what i would call to be labor intensive. they were going after gang members, people in jail and people with a really bad past
and went after starting in july of 2014 doctors, engineers, people with skills. it looks like now they are in the new cycle where they expand and need people again. the different kinds of recruitment isaganda messages. some are just beheadings, they are disembodies heads and graphic and violent but the other propaganda messages we've seen with, you know, soft lighting and pictures of children that are playing in the streets is a very different message. that's the recruit the doctor and lawyer, not to recruit the person who is in a gang or coming out of jail. >> bob, i want to ask you about the bomb isis claims is responsible for the downing of the russian plane. we have the photo isis released, soda can, wire, switch, does that look like something that could actually take down a plane? >> absolutely. it just takes a couple ounces of military explosives put against the skin and if it had been a
baggage handler, there are some reports out that it was, all he would need to do is take it and insert it next to the skin and like i said, a couple ounces and electric detonator and switch and timer knowing the plane would take off on time it would be very, very easy to take down an airplane. >> frightening stuff. bob bear, appreciate it and mia bloom. a 360 exclusive, new details about the attack inside the bataclan concert hall. two young people survivors describe how they managed to get out alive and what the attacker said as they were carrying out the killings. i absolutely love my new but the rent is outrageous. good thing geico offers affordable renters insurance. with great coverage it protects my personal belongings should they get damaged, stolen or destroyed. [doorbell] uh, excuse me. delivery. hey. lo mein, szechwan chicken, chopsticks, soy sauce
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tonight we have new details about the deadly attack in paris. many massacred and many wounded in the bataclan concert hall. among the survivors, a young couple that lost track of each other in the chaos. isabelle survived by playing dead, by not moving and wrote about it later on facebook and said holding my breath trying
not to move, not cry, not giving those men the fear they long to see. i was incredibly lucky to survive but so many different. her boyfriend ran when the shooting started and hid inside a crammed bathroom with dozens of terrified people. they were separated before the shooting began. he wrote there are so many things that crossed my mind, above all the idea of death, death at 24. all the while i was thinking of isabelle and called all those dear to me to tell them evening that went without saying but i never taken the time to tell them. well, the carnage was unfolding, neither knew if the other was alive. in an exclusive interview tonight they describe in detail what they saw and what they heard and what they will never forget. when did you realize something was happening? >> we heard sounds. we thought they were fireworks. >> you thought it was part of the concert. >> part of the concert.
quickly we realized it was something serious. >> did you know it was shots? >> it was quickly, quickly realized it was shots. you could smell the gun powder. you could hear the terror of people screaming. you knew it was gunfire. >> was it constant? >> constant, non-stop. >> during ten minutes. [speaking foreign language]. >> did you see them? [speaking foreign language]
[speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language]. >> did you hear them talking to each other? did you hear them say anything? >> i heard sounds but i don't know if they were in french, but i didn't understand what they were saying. they were very calm. >> they were calm? >> they were calm. [speaking foreign language].
>> even tries to imagine what they would do in a situation like this. were you thinking different things in your mind of what to do? was going through your mind? >> complete shock. i think that's the first thing. i couldn't believe it. i couldn't believe this was happening. >> it didn't seem real? >> didn't seem real. felt like a nightmare. felt like the worst horror film. i just -- i remember the stories and you just, you don't know, you pretend that you've already been shot. you pretend you're dead and that's what i did. >> did you worry they would see you breathing? >> yeah, i was so worried.
the fact that i didn't cry is shocking given how scared i was but it was important not to move, not to flinch, not to do anything that would alert them to the fact that i was still alive. and as much as the terror and the anguish was in that room, there was a lot of love. there was a lot of positivity in such a tragic, tragic place. >> how do you mean? >> you just felt it. everyone was there. there were innocent lives. they were there for the exact same reasons. we were at a concert. minutes before the attack, everyone was dancing and smiling, people were happy. and then when the gunmen came in, it all changed. but the people didn't. the people who followed their families, followed their friends, that's what you do when
you're so close to death and it's all you want to be is you want to be with your family, you want to be with your friends. you want to tell them you love them. and you -- [crying] sorry and you don't want them to think of the pain you're going through. you don't. and picturing their faces and saying and this is the only thing i did was i said out loud i love you and i didn't say their names, i just pictured their face and said i love you. i whispered. >> you would whisper that out loud. >> it was important that if i was going to die, if the next bullet was for me that i left saying i love you. so i said it to every single person i ever loved. and in that way it felt, it felt okay to die because i had love
in my heart and i reflected on a great life. >> you wanted to die with love in your heart? >> yeah, i didn't want them to have their horrible actions determine the end of my life. i didn't want them to win. i wanted, i wanted the people i loved to win, to know that they blessed me with incredible life. >> she said she wanted to die with love in her heart. we're going to have more of this interview in the next hour of 360. first, in light of isis showing that bomb that they say took down metrojet 9268 we want to dig deeper into the threat against air travel here and why two flights were diverted last night and much more on how small and easily concealed bombs could
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going on, isis released a photo showing how they took down the airbus. they say they hid the bomb inside the soda can and you can see the components of it. the photo was published in the english language online magazine. that's right, they have a magazine. the downing of the plane and the paris attacks have a lot of people on edge and officials scrambling to take precause of actions. back in the u.s. two air france planes were diverted due to bomb threats. rene marsh joins us with more. what do we know about the threats? >> anderson, we know the fbi has been called in to start this process of tracing that call. it's unclear at this point if this same person called in those threats or not. but two paris-bound air france flights were targeted. the plane was searched and no threat was found. >> and the bomb that isis says took down the russian airliner, i know you've been talking to
people about it. do they think they device can make it through airport security in the u.s.? >> i spoke with several bomb experts today who essentially say when you look at the soda can, you look at the wires, and also the battery that's included in this device, it would be very difficult to get that through our current screening procedures at security check points just because of the metal signature of all of those items that a metal detector or scanner would indeed pick up that metal signature. they say they don't believe this could get through the check point. it would have to be a situation where somebody gets it around the security check point, smuggling it on board that aircraft, anderson. >> although, but certainly, i mean there have been checks, tests done of tsa security and metallic devices have gotten through on those tests. we've done stories on that. >> in theory, if someone is doing what they are supposed to do and follow protocol, you're
absolutely right that should not be able to get through but what you're talking about is the department of homeland security office of inspector generals undercover operation that they did testing select airports across the country and when they did that using fake explosives, fake bombs, they were able to get 95% of the time get those items through the security check point. so of course, that's an issue when someone at that check point is not following procedures, it indeed can get through but that's different than the actual machinery and the actual screening mechanisms being able to detect it. those should be able to detect it. >> right. yeah. obviously a security system is only as good as the weakest link. up next, exclusive video of the early morning raid on a terror cell outside paris. an assault that ended with eight captured, two dead including a female suicide bomber.
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