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hello. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm hala gorani. >> and i'm john berman. welcome to the special coverage of the terror attack. we have been here all week. >> france is under a state of emergency. the first time the entire nation has been under such a state of emergency in more than 50 years. >> right now, french lawmakers debating whether to extend the state of emergency for three more months. the debate comes the day after the bloody and dramatic raid on
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two apartments in a paris suburb. >> hundreds of police officers, special forces, military troops descended on a building north of paris in saint-denis early wednesday looking for the man who is believed to have orchestrated the friday attacks. abdelhamid abaaoud. he's belgian. investigators are trying to determine if one of the bodies in the building there is abaaoud. >> there was so much destruction, they have to sift through the body parts and try to match the dna if they can get it. they say one woman blew herself up at the beginning of the raid. she was wearing some kind of suicide belt. she has been identified in some reports as abaaoud's cousin. eight people were arrested in wednesday's operation. officials make clear they do not
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think abaaoud was one of them. >> meanwhile, a newly released isis video is warning of an impending attack on new york city. it appears to have an explosive device and someone zipping a jacket over a suicide belt. >> the mayor de blasio says there is no current threat at this time. this is the kind of thing isis says and does. officials believe the video of new york city is anything new. it could be file footage. >> that's what they want to do, frighten and terrorize people. the group has claimed to kill hostage, one from china and one from norway. >> the group posted the pictures of the men on the online magazine with the words "for sale" below the portraits. >> now we are waiting for the
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results of the dna tests for that apartment raided by police in saint-denis. investigators want to know if the alleged planner of the attacks on friday, abdelhamid abaaoud, was one of the two people killed. frederik pleitgen joins us. how long before we get the results? >> that's a good question. it is not clear. authorities are working as fast as possible to try to get some clarity. the big issue is they don't really have any of abaaoud's dna to start with. it is going to be difficult to find out if it is abaaoud. they will have to find relatives and try to get some dna and try to find a match that way. that is one of the reasons why we have not had any confirmation at this point in time. the fact there is so much destruction in the house makes it difficult. >> what we know is french officials told us, of the eight people arrested, abaaoud is not one of them. >> and salah abdeslam.
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he is not one of them either. that is the big question. where he is. that manhunt continues. he is that attacker that apparently got away from the scene. >> we don't know who the eight people are who are in custody right now. that's a huge question. >> it is a huge question. they think they will get information of the wider planning of all this. all of the indications are what happened in paris on friday and what happened in saint-denis yesterday is linked. you have abaaoud's cousin there. it indicates it would be linked. they want to know more about that. some of those attackers are still in the hospital and they have not been able to talk to them yet. >> two people are dead and bodies in the apartment in saint-denis? >> i'm not sure if there are body parts in saint-denis. definitely two people dead and they collected body parts.
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forensic teams were working well into the night. one thing that hampered them, and we saw, they were still finding unexploded ordinance. they were still blowing things up. it was interesting to see. you are on the main street in saint-denis and people gathered on the streets. it still sent people running. the police said this is us blowing things up. >> no warning ahead of time? >> they blow a whistle and three seconds later, an explosion. not everybody hears it. >> you get a whistle. >> this was an hour-long pitch battle where 5,000 rounds fired. the force of the resistance so powerful that a floor in the building collapsed. they had to blow up the door when they went in. that gave people inside some time to prepare. >> that was probably one of the factors. they were prepared for the
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police coming in. how else do you explain the woman putting the suicide vest on and blow herself up. and the timeline. the police had one apartment under surveillance and they moved in and the suicide bomber blew herself up. this was something that wasn't known to them and they went to the second apartment and the massive fight broke out. >> fred pleitgen, thanks so much. he continues to follow the latest developments from saint-denis and on the developments on the paris attacks. another development from isis. they made claims they produced a homemade bomb that took down the russian plane last month. >> cnn's rene marsh talking to an official over if that is
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legitimate. >> reporter: this is what claims to be what brought down the russian jetliner. this appears to be an explosive material concealed in a soda can along with wires and a detator with an on/off switch. cnn cannot verify the authenticity of the photo. the article says isis quote discovered a way to compromise security at the sharm el sheikh airport where metrojet departed and a bomb was smuggled on to the airplane. >> we will search for them everywhere. >> reporter: the news comes one day after russia's president vladimir putin said nearly two pounds of explosive material blew the passenger plane out of the sky. >> there is doubt as to whether or not what was used to bring down the aircraft. >> reporter: this retired atf agent says the on/off switch on the detonate or means somebody
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had to be in the cabin of the plane to flip the switch. how could someone get on the plane with a device. >> with this device, it has a high metal signature. from the soda can to the battery and wires. this would be difficult to circumvent normal security. >> reporter: u.s. officials have run the names on the passenger manifest list and found no red flags of anyone on board. isis claimed responsibility for the attack that killed 224 people, but if this is the bomb, it would be the first piece of evidence the group has put forward. >> the soda can has arabic writing that puts it in the region. the blasting cap and detonator is a cap we have seen in the region. >> reporter: more bomb experts question why the explosive material wasn't shown in the
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picture and why isis did not show video proof of them making the bomb. as you travel for the holiday, you should expect longer wait times at airports at tsa spends longer time inspecting passengers. and more swabbing of material and you could be asked to remove shoes. cnn, rene marsh, washington. >> let's get more from cnn's matthew chance joining us now from moscow. what are officials and people saying in russia about this claim, matthew? >> reporter: in terms of the russian government there, they viewed the images posted from the online magazine from isis of the tin can and components. they have not commented if it is
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the device. the kremlin spokesperson said they will find the people responsible for this. the emphasis over the last hours the military campaign in syria. that is what officials are talking about. they have been talking about attacking isis, infrastructure in syria and bombing tankers and trucks carrying oil to iraq. one of the main sources of revenue for the group. russia says war planes attacked and destroyed 500 of the tankers in past several days. they are attacking other aspects of infrastructure. the campaign in syria, russians are bringing new weapon systems. long-range bombers to fly within the air space of russia, but launch cruise missiles in syria. the russians are upping their
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military attacks inside that country. >> matthew chance in moscow. thank you. matthew is talking about the intensifying efforts in syria. they are hitting black market fuel. >> and the defense ministry released this video. they are eager to publicize these pictures. showing to appear destroying 500 oil tankers. >> at least 33 isis members have been killed in the last 72 hours in air strikes by russia, france, united states. in the series of air strikes in the country. dozens of isis leaders and families says this group watching is said to flee raqqah
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and going to iraq. the second largest city in iraq has been under isis control for 18 months. >> as nick paton walsh, in syria right now, states raqqah is now controlled by the psychopaths, but there are civilians living there as well in danger. >> we have ian lee in cairo with another angle of the story. >> reporter: good morning. to add on what you were talking about, hala, raqqah is being slaughtered silently. civilians are fearful. they have isis on one side and air strikes on another. we are hearing from a group at
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least seven civilians have been killed in the air strikes. it looks like isis is on the defensive. very afraid. they have controlled the flow of the internet. they have shutdown internet cafes. they have restricted licenses of people to operate the internet. they are afraid that people on the ground are sharing intelligence withi either the western coalition and hitting targets. headquarters and training facilities. although the organization has said that it hasn't hit isis too hard. they said they have been hit, but we have not seen a large number of casualties. right now, roughly three dozen isis have been killed. you see john pointed out the family members of the leaders are fleeing to mosul. they are trying to lower their
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profile not moving in large convoys and not putting luggage on top of cars. it seems isis is very afraid of what is happening and what is to come. >> interesting to see ian lee in cairo. you get the coalition would not bomb mosul. that has been a goal of theirs for a long time. very difficult. isis is dug in there. it is a big city with a lot of civilians. >> the interesting development though is if these isis operatives and families are fleeing, what kind of strategic difference will it make for the group in its operations in syria and ability to recruit and ability to establish a command and control structure inside raqqah. meanwhile, something debated and discussed in the united states this morning. a development in honduras where authorities say they apprehended four or five syrian nationals
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who were carrying fake passports. the men arrived in the honduran capital where police are holding them. they say the passports were stolen in greece. at this point, there is no direct link to terrorism. no certainty where they were headed. there was suspicion they were trying to get to the united states. >> investigators say the syrians flew after traveling through five countries. police have not confirmed it. they say the men, as john mentioned, may have been trying to reach the united states with those travel documents. and coming up, the paris suburb of saint-denis has been at the center of the last friday's terrorist attacks. >> after the break, we will hear how area residents are coming to terms with all that has happened over the past week. can a business have a mind?
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welcome back to our continuing coverage of the paris terrorist attacks as we wait for who was in the apartment in saint-denis as we learn more about the raids. >> some speak to cnn about what they saw as the dramatic events
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unfold unfolded. some people who were there told anderson cooper about the experience. >> actually, we were not realizing it was an assault. i was thinking it was a terrorist attack. >> you thought it was an attack by terrorists? >> i thought they were going in house to kill people. i was really shaking and i took time to understand it was an assault from police men. >> you actually saw the police? >> we called them. we called the police and she didn't know what was happening on the phone. i took the phone so she could hear. she took information and she came back to us and saying stay inside. don't move. close the window and everything. >> well, saint-denis is home to
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the stade de france, the stadium where three suicide bombers struck last friday. a paris suburban very diverse. it also has a history of strength. [ gunshots ] >> this was the sound residents of saint-denis found themselves waking up on wednesday. gunfire and explosions ringing out before dawn as police carried out raids searching for suspects behind the terrorist attacks. >> translator: i was woken up by a noise. gunshots. it woke me up. i jumped out of bed. i opened window. i stuck my head outside. i wanted to watch. the police told me close the window, sir. close it now. >> but for the neighborhood, this has become an increasingly familiar scene. stade de france was the first target of friday's attacks that
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left 129 victims dead. just under six miles from paris, saint-denis is the main town of the multiethnic saint-denis apartment. the saint-denis, the burial place for french kings, this is now an area with a high proportion of immigrants. 38% in 2012 were immigrants according to statistics. the overall unemployment is higher than 13% and has a relatively high crime rate. it was in 2005 that riots broke out near saint-denis with violence spreading quickly to the rest of the department. the unrest lasted four weeks as french youth were protesting against living and economic conditions and discrimination. a decade later, violence strikes again in a different and more
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horrific form. and the wounds for this suburb have renewed. >> well, as the people of france continue dealing with the attacks from friday, the french government is viewing revenge against isis. >> they are talking about going after the people who planned the attacks. we are joined by melissa bell, the editor of the newspaper here in france. they said they were here just in time to stop the attacks that were just hours away. do you feel like they are a step ahead of what isis might be doing here? >> this is what the french public is worried about. clearly the failures over the last few days have been spectacular. yes, they moved in on this particular target. we don't know if the man they were looking for, abaaoud, is among them. we should find out within the
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next few hours. they got there and prevented an attack on the business district just outside of paris. when you consider what actually went on here last friday and the people involved, some of whom were french citizens under surveillance who had gone to syria and managed to come back. the failures are spectacular. you are talking about a country over the course of last month has already changed legislation to keep a better eye on people. surveillance in particular substantially tightened so this thing couldn't happen. still these people got through the nets and managed to get to syria and come back and slipping under the radar. there are all worries in france now about what our security services and surveillance and intelligence is capable of and where it has failed. >> it is interesting. we don't know if abdelhamid abaaoud was in the apartment. testing body parts right now. if it was him, that would be
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extraordinary. this man who they believed to have been the ringleader in previous attacks. the train attack headed to paris in verviers. they had their eye on this guy and if he can come to and from syria, that doesn't speak well of what has been going on. >> you are right. you remember he spoke out a few months ago in a publication that in 2014, he slipped back in europe to bring together an attack. if he was back in paris at the time of the attacks, it suggests that with a remarkable courage go to and from france and europe knowing they can slip through the radar with international arrest warrants out for them and officially watched by european governments. if you take the case of one of the french citizens who died in the bataclan in the massacre on
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friday, paris was warned twice. neither time did paris bother to find out anymore. >> and also part of the problem has to be manpower, personnel, in order to conduct surveillance, you are talking about tens of thousands of people. france and belgium and other european countries don't have those number to keep track of all these people. >> this is one of the points being made. even now, french parliament gathering to look at the extension of the state of emergency and constitutional reform that francois hollande is talking about. in the last three years, there have been four straight changes to legislation. when it comes to tightening the laws, they have been good. where they have failed is putting in the numbers. after the january attack, he said the reaction is planned. what is needed is huge amounts of intelligence services. that is what you will hear more about in the coming days.
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>> you have spoken about failures leading up to what happened on friday. obviously some success in going into the apartment and apartments yesterday in saint-denis. do you have a sense how many more people might be operating or how many people the authorities believe may be operating directly connected to the cells? >> we can only speculate. in the sense of uncertainty which is almost unpalpable. this was probably managed to foil an attack of people heavily armed and up to no good. the idea that raid happened under our noses, it added to the violence and sense of complete insecurity. with the questions of what we know about these people that are being watched. we are talking about the ones known and watched and under judicial control.
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what about the others? all of these questions add to the feeling anything can happen at anytime. it is troubling. >> they were in the shadow of stade de france, where the attacks happened on friday. >> a little more than a mile away. we thought eight. now we know at least eight others. two dead. several under arrest. thanks very much, melissa bell. we appreciate your take and analysis. here in paris, people are pulling together after the attacks. the political climate is shifting to the right. one woman is leading that move. ahead, i speak to marine le pen. we are monitoring the discussions now and the debates in the french parliament as they discuss what to do. whether to extend the extraordinary state of emergency even longer. stay with us.
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welcome back. we are awaiting word on the fate of the suspected ringleader of the suspected paris attacks. authorities are running dna tests to find out if abdelhamid abaaoud was one of the two people killed when french police stormed the paris apartment in saint-denis yesterday morning. >> they say they got there just in time to prevent more attacks. the floor fell through the apartment and they are testing body parts right now to try to connect them to abdelhamid abaaoud. what we know is a woman apparently blew herself up with some kind of suicide belt at the beginning of the raid. reports identified her as abaaoud's cousin.
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>> that is happening in saint-denis, but in paris, in the center, french lawmakers are debating right now. these are live images coming to us from the parliament. whether or not to extend the nationwide state of emergency to three months. >> we just read they have decided to extend the ban on demonstrations, public gatherings for another couple weeks. people in the city like to come together. they like to demonstrate. they will not be able to for a period of time. they are trying, nevertheless to get back to a sense of normalcy. you can see everywhere. you can see the aftereffects everywhere of the attacks. >> will it have a political impact? one example, the day after the attacks. marine le pen declaring france and the french are no longer safe. i talked to le pen to see what
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is behind her comments. >> you asked for the immediate halt of migration and refugees of syrian refugees to france. are you not using this tragedy for political gain? >> translator: no. i did not use the terrorist attempts to stop immigration and refugees. 1 million refugees in 2015. 3 million. i think this is crazy. i have been saying it for a long time since 2011. however, i had also warned the french and the authorities very clearly that there will be in these immigrants terrorists who will infiltrate into and this is exactly what has happened. confronted with the reality of the threat, i think we have to make an urgent decision. >> it has not been proven this
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was a syrian man. it could have been a stolen passport. how can you jump to those conclusions? >> translator: but that passport, whether it is real or false, came through greece, came through serbia and came through paris. there is somebody who accompanied that passport and made that journey. so, given this kind of huge threat and which is literally a declaration of war to france, we cannot take the risk. it questions the safety and it challenges the safety of french and i am here to fight for the safety of the french. >> you talk of 3 million potential migrants in the next few years. france agreed to take tens of thousands. those numbers don't correspond. >> translator: you have to
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understand there are no more frontiers exists. all national frontiers have gone. however, when germany takes 800,000 people, it is incapable of looking after those refugees. the moment they have legal status, they can go anywhere in europe. so, this idea of a few thousands that have come here. i am from calais, from that region, i can tell you it is a totally crazy situation. they are mad to say it is only that amount. multiply that amount just for calais. so there is a huge amount of immigration coming in and this is going to add to the high immigration. >> this is the message of isis. be afraid of everyone. they want to terrorize the world. are you not simply repeating the
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same message? >> translator: it was the argument developed by mr. obama and madame merkel and by the u.n. so it is an idea that they want to develop. i will say once again i am here to protect the safety of the french. i can see that the united states certain some of them believe now to receive syrian refugees is to take a risk that's not acceptable. there are other solutions that we have been suggesting for years which means to put humanitarian centers where we can look after the population who are genuinely in danger, as close as possible to their territories instead of bringing them here. >> marine le pen, that is her message all along.
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however, there are important elections in three weeks in france. politicians on all sides are making statements. >> that is the same discussion in the united states right now as they discuss what to do about the smaller number of syrian refugees headed to that country. a congressional measure coming up that is promising to veto that legislation. you are watching cnn news. still to come from us. the syrian and iraqi refugees. we have new information on the president's plans next. right when you feel a cold sore, abreva can heal it in as few as two and a half days when used at the first sign. without it the virus spreads from cell to cell. only abreva penetrates deep and starts to work immediately to block the virus and protect healthy cells. you could heal your cold sore, fast, as fast as two and a half days when used at the first sign. learn how abreva starts to work
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like scenes from a war zone, doctors crammed in on friday night to treat the wounded. >> we have this picture from the
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hospital inside saint-denis. hundreds of medics working so hard after the attacks to try to save lives. >> let's speak to the deputy mayor for health in paris. thanks for being with us. i spoke to one of the survivors of the bataclan. he had really kind words to say about emergency forces. the ambulance drivers, doctors and nurses who all worked in such a wonderful way together. it must have been an unbelievable challenge. >> yes, it was a difficult situation as you can imagine. what is incredible is that all of the personnel responded to get to hospitals directly and to take care many people. more than 400 people were shot by gun this night. it was incredible situation.
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we couldn't imagine this situation could happen in this part of paris. >> and nurses ran to the hospitals when they knew they were needed. it is friday and nearly a week later. now mental health. it is fear that everyone in the city is dealing with right now. is this something that you are finding and you are coping with at the facilities around the city? >> no, never. you know, on one end, a population is scared, but on the other end, they learn to resist. psychologically, they are strong. they want to show terrorists cannot kill our way of life. parisian people are anxious and stressed. of course they wonder what is left of our city.
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but the psychology at the same time, people go to work and kids go to school and we go to restaurants and bars. to get to our life of paris is going on and our way of life is going on. >> but there are still people injured and badly injured in hospitals today. a week later. >> yes, more than 400 people were badly injured. today, this morning, still 195 people hospitalized. >> still. >> and 29 of them in intensive care and three of them are fighting against this. >> one of the things we learned yesterday after the raid in saint-denis, there were eight people taken into custody in saint-denis. including at least two who had been hospitalized, suspected of being connected to some kind of terrorist activities. do you have any update on their conditions? >> this morning, i cannot tell
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you. this morning's institution is good. we take every measure to be in good sanitary conditions. we have nothing to report at this point. >> i was wondering, treating bullet wounds. you are the doctor. it is not difficult, but if you are not used to seeing that type of injury. were there specific challenges in having to treat such a large number of people hit by bullets? >> it is not difficult for one, two, ten people. the problem is more than 350 people shot by gun. you need many different surgeons. vascular surgeon and cardiac surgeons and general surgeons.
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all of those people were shot within an hour. at saint-denis hospital, 27 victims shot within one hour. that means one every two minutes. >> right. that is war medicine. like a war zone. dr. jomier, thank you for joining us. deputy mayor in paris for health. another element is the refugee crisis which has grown out of the violence in syria. some 4 million refugees by some estimates. president obama is vowing to veto a measure in congress that would keep or stall the flow the limited flow of refugees from the conflict in syria and iraq to the united states. >> and 31 governors opposing plans to resettle the displaced people. republicans want to suspend the program until key agencies can certify. >> some democrats as well, we should say. >> right. by the way.
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it is unclear, logistically how do you control the flow of individuals from one state to the next. that is also a question. >> no legal precedent for that. no clear legal avenue for the governors to stop the flow of refugees. they can make it more difficult, but that is a federal measure. >> the white house says the bill will only delay vital programs. that is coming from the white house. mr. obama is in manila right now for the apec summit. we have cnn's andrew stevens with more. have we heard from the president on any of these questions, andrew? >> reporter: we have been hearing from the president quite consistently on this issue, particularly about the refugees. in fact, i have come out of a briefing with the white house. that question about democrat governors as well looking at the question of refugees. we were being told that their concerns are what is the
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process, the vetting process for syrian refugees. the white house has been coming back to this point it is an average of 24 months to actually get a refugee status process if you are coming from syria. the tests are absolutely rigorous. weighing in on this. he tweeted from the summit. he tweeted a few hours ago. the slamming the door on the face of refugees would betray our deepest values, hala. he has been holding a series of meetings. the latest with justin trudeau. mr. obama saying once again, making the point that you have a process which takes maybe 24 months to process syrian refugee, how could they possibly be more dangerous than the tourists that get in on a tourist visa. it doesn't jive with reality.
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the white house, mr. obama, very hard on pushing back on this refugee issue, hala. >> andrew stevens from manila. the white house staff made it clear that the president plans to come to paris for the climate summit in a couple weeks. now breaking news just in to cnn, we are hearing that raids are ongoing in brussels, belgium in connection to the paris attacks on friday. do we have our ivan watson? >> i think we will get ivan up in a second. there is new information about raids in belgium connected to the attacks here. we will have more information just after this. son hma symptoms kept coming on my long-term control medicine, i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help
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breaking news just in to cnn. six police raids linked to the paris attacks under way in belgium. according to the belgian prosecutor. >> it is happening right now. including molenbeek, connected to the attacks here. our ivan watson on the scene right now. ivan, what can you tell us. >> reporter: john, the federal prosecutor in belgium has said
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the target of the police raids are the fame of hadfi. he is one of the suicide bombers from the paris attacks friday night. he was on the radar of belgian authorities long before the attacks. they believe he had gone to syria to be a volunteer firefighter. he was a resident of brussels. they did not know he had gotten back to europe. they did not know he got back to europe until the attacks on friday night. they say that part of the series of raids under way and the announcement that the raids were being undertaken came out almost coincided with the speech by the belgium prime minister in which he allocated another 400 million euro to security forces and recruiting more intelligence and security forces and new measures to try to control the large
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member of jihadis coming into the belgium population to come and join and fight isis. such as stripping people of belgium citizenships and putting bracelets on subjects. that is what the government wants to adopt in response to the deadly paris attacks. john and hala. >> our ivan watson in belgium right now. you see him in the back of the car. he is headed to the scenes. >> we see him heading there. you are watching cnn's special coverage of the paris attacks. i'm hala gorani. >> and i'm john berman. "early start" continues in just a moment.
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breaking news. new raids related to the paris terror attacks happening right now in belgium. investigators in france trying to figure out if the attacks ringleader is dead. plus, as isis strikes again, new executions and threats. this time a threat targeting new york city. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans in new york. >> and i'm john berman in paris. it is thursday, november 19th. 5:00 a.m. in the east. 11:00 a.m. in paris.
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welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. the breaking news right now, we are just learning of six separate raids in six separate locations in belgium apparently connected to the attacks here on friday. apparently connected to at least one of the attackers killed here on friday. we will have much more on that in just a moment. meanwhile, here in france, police literally digging through the rubble of an apartment in the suburb of saint-denis. that is where the raid was yesterday. the huge raid involving more than 100 law enforcement officials. 5,000 rounds fired. it was targeting the man believed to be the ringleader of last week's attacks. abdelhamid abaaoud. officials say they moved in toward that apartment because of wire taps. they had information showing that at a minimum, abaaoud's cousin was saying there. it is believed at t


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