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the ring leader of the paris terror attacks is dead. i'd like to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. let's head now to paris and anderson cooper. hi anderson. >> good morning. right now paris embraces the news that ab ab del hamid abaaoud is dead.
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cnn's nick robertson has been digging on abaaoud and his background. let's go to clarissa ward first. obviously a huge victory for french intelligence for french police, who have clearly been wantingfñ man who's also wanted in belgium as well. >> that's right. it certainly is a victory for french authorities and for french officials. and talking to people here on the ground there is a palpable sense of relief. certainly that raid yesterday went on for seven hours. there were grenades, gunfire, explosions. more than 5,000 bullets fired at the people who were inside that apartment. so there is definitely a sense of relief here. but at the same time it is really interesting. you talk to some residents. they say they don't believe he was killed. they say they don't believe the
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authorities anymore. and what you really get a sense of is that there is a breakdown of communication between authorities and between the residents of this neighborhood. there are many different types of people. many different religions and races living here anderson. but this is known as one of paris's tougher neighborhoods. and one gets the sense that some residents feel that radicalism here is a very real problem. and they are not convinced that even with the death of the ring leader abaaoud, that that is going to stop. that this pop roblem is going t stop. >> the fact that this guy who was wanted by belgium intelligence who are's been on the radar certainly of the french for a long time because he had allegedly had been involved in past attempts as well. most notably the attempt on the train where a potential killer was subdued by some americans.
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the fact that he was able to get back into new york from syria where he had been was extraordinary. >> it is. ands as we break it down what happened, over the past few days a lot of us got the information there was a possibility that abaaoud could have connected with the attacks. the newspapers, the television screens here have been full with his image. this would be a huge benefit to police and intelligence officials here. because to have in everyone's minds the picture of the man who was potentially a ring leader, somehow involved in this, would mean that if he was back here in paris -- and now we clearly know this. the intelligence authorities had wind of that -- it would mean that his movements would become more limited, that he would potentially be spotted out on the streets. that i think that is an
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interesting part of how you look at the last few days, that his image has been out there a lot. and very interested listening to clarissa about saint-denis. you get a very different feeling on the shans deleez. one man said he was relieved. another lady was a little more cautious. she had heard. she felt this was good. but everyone i spoke to on the street just now has told me here that they think that the government has to do a lot more. they are not safe. the government has to continue to work. they feel a real sense that there could be other terror cells out there. the sort of expectance among the middle class population they talked to here just now said this is real, that the government information is
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correct. that does very much highlight that divide between essentially rich middle class and more impoverished saint-denis with a higher immigrant population. >> yeah. well, is it clear at this point how authorities were led to that specific location? i know jim sciutto was reporting yesterday about the cell phones. but do we know how long they had that apartment under surveillance for? >> well we know it was about three days ago french authorities got a tip off that abaaoud was actually here in france and not indeed in syria or iraq as thought. and they were purportedly able to confirm that using cell phones as jim sciutto as been reporting and also bank statements and they were led to the apartment of abaaoud's cousin. that was the 26-year-old woman
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who actually blew herself up duress course of the raid. we don't know how long they were surveilling the apartment. but residents say it came as the big shock. one neighborhood resident told us they knew of drug dealing but they were more surprised to hear more sinister activities may have been taking place there. >> clarissa ward, appreciate that reporting. also nick robertson. and jim sciutto joining me. and peter bergen, cnn national security analyst. you were saying yesterday about the cell phones which may have led them to this apartment. but certainly this is a huge win for french intelligence. but as nick was saying and i think a lot feel the threat is not over. this guy can be very easily replaced with somebody else. >> he can be replaced and keep in mind there is still a missing
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attacker, at least one or possibly two. so there is a very direct threat connected to these attacks who is still out the there now and they consider armed, dangerous probably even has explosives as well. that said, this was goods police work. it was very urgent. i'm told the surveillance started within 24 hours before the raid took place. so this is just in time police work now. they get that phone call that led them there, a phone communication. double check it with bank records, etc. they go there and act. and it's interesting. we talked a lot about is this a new normal? is this a new time? we see so many demonstrations of that now? one, the laws are new. you have this state of emergency extended and give police enormous powers to in effect arrest first and ask questions later. they are not waiting. they move in. they assume an attack might be imminent when they are going in to these places. and finally, just the sense around paris that people are
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settling in for what is going to be a long fight, a long war here in paris. here in france. >> and i think everybody feels that here. people you talk to on the streets in cafes, wherever you go, they all do have that sense, peter, that this is not just a oneoff. this is something which france, many countries in europe, and the united states has been engaged with for a very long time. i'm wondering if hearing about the death of this ring leader -- i'm just going to stop using hisids name now that he's dead. be how important do you think is it he's now out of the picture? >> tactically it is important but strategically it may not be that big a deal. go back to the found over al qaeda in iraq. if fo the fore run over isis. his death was followed by rising balance in iraq.
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it was only the interior network was largely dismantled that the group was essentially out of business for several years. with the death of this individual there is still an enterprise investigation as the fbi calls it which is to take down the entire network. where did the money come from? who was the bomb make sner it's not clear if the perpetrators made the bombs or someone else which would have required some skill? who was the overall commander in syria? there is much of the network that is still out there that has to be pursued. >> peter, how much of a network like this is personality dependent? is dependent on, you know, this ring leader, his contacts. because we know according to a belgian official that he actually served time in jail and/or prison with the eighth terrorist that there is an arrest warrant out for who is still out there. >> i think in these large scale attacks there is usually one guy who is the guy. think about 9/11.
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muhammed atta was the ring leader. and in without the ring lead ter plot looks different. but that said there were many conspirators and recruiting that number requires a much larger organization and the organization unfortunately appears to be, you know, very very vibrant right now. >> and jim we should point out that abdeslam who the arrest warrant is for, as far as authorities believe and last they were tracking him he had been apprehended on his way to belgium and let go on a routine traffic stop with two others in the vehicle. and the assumption is he is in belgium but we can't say for sure. >> you can move so easily around europe. the distances are so short. he could be anywhere in europe now. but boy doesn't that traffic
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stop become more important. it was a close call. it was luck they stopped him frankly and bad luck they let him go. because they had no information at that time. but that is just a reminder. this is a big catch to have a killed abaaoud but there are others out there. >> good to have you on the program. a lot of development to tell you about just over the next two hours. i want to show you chilling video that captures the terror attack on friday. surveillance footage from inside a paris cafe. and one woman's breathtaking escape from certain death. terrorist came right above her to soot her point-blank, the gun jammed and he walked off. and she was amazingly able to walk away. incredibly haunting. >> reporter: you can see glass windows shattering as the gunmen firing from outside. people running in to escape the bullets. everyone diving out of the way and hiding behind walls
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desperately looking for cover. the gunmen showing no signs of kah mercy. coming right up to the edge of the cafe. aiming at a woman on the ground. but in one miraculous motion. either the gun malfunctions or misfires and the gunman gets up and walks s s a way. and fear grips the cafe. the other helps a woman who would run inside after the siege began. people seen tossing chairs and tables out of the way to find safety. the glass and dust clouding the camera's view of the cafe. terror rocking the city of paris bringing the lively friday night to deadening silence. >> amazing escape for that woman. can you imagine what that? the terror of that man standing right over her trying to kill
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her point-blank. in belgium police launching new raids and the government is promising the french interior minister is speaking. we're monitoring and we'll bring you any news he makes this hour. the government of belgium promising a new crackdown on islamic jihadists. ivan, are there new raids going on in belgium? >> reporter: there have been raids going on in at least a half dozen locations throughout the morning. the prosecutors office saying they conducted three search warrants in relation with the paris attack in this morning's raids and detained two people in connection with those raids. now when i asked for reaction to the reported death of belgium's most notorious jihadi, most notorious terrorist, a spokesman said right now we're still
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looking for the missing fugitive, salah abdeslam, another resident of belgium, at large with some real concerns about what he's capable of. the vehicle he was traveling in ended up here in brussels but he is still very very much at large. and when you try to talk to ordinary people about their reaction, one man said it doesn't really matter. one man gets killed, ten more will step in to take his place. that is part of what belgium is struggling with. a relatively small country. 11 million people and yet per capita, the biggest contributor to the islamic state from western europe. >> and many people point to belgium as the wink link in the chain of intelligence agencies and in terms of response to radical jihadiists. let's listen in to the french interior minister.
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>> tranator: in the operation of saint-denis there was a target. it was reached. it was achieved. this victim has died and out out of possibility of causing any harm and we have to implement everything to fight and win against terrorism. that is the message that i will bring quite clearly to brussels tomorrow, thank you. >> brief comments from france's interior minister. trying to give the latest on the investigation. obviously the big news this morning the death of the alleged ring leader. on friday's attack and other attacks that were being planned from that apartment in saint-denis where the raids took place early yesterday morning. raids on three locations, mostly on two apartments across the street from each other, eight people taken into custody.
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two dead, one a woman who blew herself up with an explosive device that was on her body. the other now french authorities acknowledging early this morning based on dna test iing they sayt is in fact the alleged ring leader who is dead. coming up, isis releases yet another video vowing to strike new york city but officials, they say they will not live in fear, nor should anybody else. we'll be right back. limiting wn bonus cash back. why put up with that? but the quicksilver card from capital one likes to keep it simple. real simple. i'm talking easy like-a- walk-in-the-park, nothing-to-worry-about, man-that-feels-good simple. quicksilver earns you unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. it's a simple question. what's in your wallet?
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theand the kids always eat sky their vegetables.e. because the salad there is always served with the original hidden valley ranch. and welcome back, live in paris, continuing to follow the news which is a major victory for france and french intelligence and officials. the ring leader of the brutal attack that stole the lives of more than 120 innocent people is now dead. the prosecutors office in paris confirming the body of the ring leader was found in the rubble
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of a pre-dawn raid carried out on wednesday. the body -- they have not said whether or not he blew himself up, whether he was shot to death or killed from law enforcement. but he is dead. joining me now is paul cruickshank. obviously it is a good day for french police in the battle against those who committed these atrocities on friday and may have been planning others according to french officials. but the wider network of course is still out there. what do we know about the network in syria? >> we know there are still a significant number of others who are thought to be planning a wave of attacks against france, against europe. and they are a group i'm told by officials of about a half dozen french and belgium isis recruits who've moved up the hierarchy and have a certain amount of status who have been working together to launch these plots and what they have been trying to do is -- fresh recruits,
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giving them quick training and sending them back to launch attacks with kalashnikovs. his voice they identified claiming responsibility for the attacks -- >> he's a french citizen. >> originally from --. he moved when he was young to the southern area of france. he was close friends with a french radical who launched shootings against jewish school skids in 2012. a long track record with terrorism. including with the vatican. >> really? >> absolutely. and the same guy who wanted to strike the bataclan wanted to -- it's like he -- he's ten years older than abdelhamid.
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and there are others as well part of the network. i can throw other names out there. bengalem. asseed. a half dozen waiting to come back to plan these attacks. >> it is interesting this is this group of belgian citizens here in syria who are talent spotting. talent scouting when new people come from france or belgium or elsewhere they are quickly turning them around and trying to send them back. >> and one of the reasons they are doing it so quickly is these people are traveling through turkey to get to syria.
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if they are in syria for a week or two then the european authorities aren't going to suspect necessarily they managed to get into syria if they are only making two weeks travel plans to turkey it is plausible as the holiday. so it is very ingenious they are doing this now. and go quickly, get the training. come back through turkey. that was the m.o. with several of the plots that we've seen in the last month against france. and even in one case they suspect with that framed attack of it he made just -- [inaudible] marching orders inside turkey itself. [inaudible] same with the plot against the churches in april. southern part of turkey with french isis operative, including people link ed wied with --
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>> paul, thank you very much. we have a lot more to cover. i want to go back to carol in new york. >> thanks anderson. we will not live in fear is the message from new york city's top police officer. right now time square business as usual. but this is after a terrorist group released a video vowing to strike the city. officials say new yorkers should not be intimidated. >> the people of new york city will not be intimidated. we understand it is the goal of terrorists to intimidate and disrupt our democratic society. we will not submit to their wishes. >> there is no city in america that is better prepared to
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defend and protect against a terrorist attack. >> joining me now cnn law enforcement analyst and former navy seal jonathan gilliam. welcome. how seriously should we take this propaganda video? it shows pictures of time square and other land marks in new york city. how serious wily? >> we should always take them seriously. but with new york city and america in general is we're always under a threat now. it is not as though these individuals that wish to do us harm turn the anger on and off. not as if they stop planning. they are always looking for a way to attack the united states. and new york city in particular. here is a thing that i didn't like about the news presser they did. it was two things. one the police commissioner comes on and says don't worry the nypd will take care of you. i'm a big fan of the nypd and i worked with him in the fbi and
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they are amazing law enforcement but they are not everywhere all the time. awareness is the number one thing that is going to save people. and then right there when he said that it is almost like a false hope that telling people that new york city is the safest city in the world. these individuals, their m.o., these people that use terrorism, they work in and around our vulnerabilities to get in and attack. and it doesn't matter how strong this country is. it doesn't matter how strong the nypd is. they are going to continue to try to manipulate and exploit our vulnerabilities. it is going to take awareness from people to spot that. >> i think that new yorkers are aware. after 9/11 it just became a different world. i think new yorkers expect something to happen. it is not like we're walking around, you know, living in fantasy land. >> i will tell you this right here. this cell phone is the number one vulnerability that we have. because our face is always in this. and you literally could have
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guys walking by with guns and they would never know because their faces are stuck in this cell phone. i just suggest people look around a little sb. >> and the attacks were carried out by a team of at least nine terrorists. speaking in general that is not what we're exactly dealing with here in the united states. isis is targeting the mentally ill. people with family problems and criminals to carry out terror. is that easier for police or harder for police to deal with? >> well it becomes more difficult. and we've seen this in other locations. it is just that now they are branching out. and this isn't a small group of people. what you are seeing in france is starting to blossom in the same group of terrorists in syria and the middle east. the problem is the tactics they use over there do use women.
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they have used handicap and children. and it is just that one of those few things that people just drop their guard and don't look at. so for law enforcement it becomes more difficult to suspect who could be doing this. because typically it was men. and now once they spread it out b amongst people it is going to be very hard. at least before we knew you could look at this age and this sect. but now everybody is a target. >> there is a lot of hysterical things being said it out there right now. >> sure. >> many by politicians. >> of course. >> of course. >> tell me. should we be in hysterical state right now? should we be in full blown panic? >> the united states should be in heightened state of awareness. panic is never good. and when you look at the attacks and when they happen and when we talk about active shooter situations, if people wait until things get back to react they are going to be reacting out of fear. and that is what you see a lot in the united states right now is people are going on with
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their daily lives because they are free. they have jobs. they are making a living. and politicians are moving forward to try to get elected. so they say certain things. but i will tell you the politician's job. one of the jobs is to settle the fears of the united states and make sure the national security is taken care of and that is really what they should be doing instead of inciting people, they should be reinforcing somebody. and the person that probably gets elected as president next year is going to be the person that makes the people feel secure. that is the key point. not panic. we need somebody who is going to come in and make us feel secure. >> thanks. this just in. the french interior minister saying the now dead ring leader of the paris attacks was involved in four of the six terror attacks foiled since spring. much more after a break.
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well there is relief in many parts of paris today. the ring leader behind the paris attacks that killed 129 people, 352 others wounded. he was killed on wednesday morning. his body found in the rubble from the raids riddled with impact. clarissa ward is following the story from saint-denis where the raid took place. i'm wondering what kind of reaction you are hearing from people there. this is a community as we talked about with a great mistrust of police among many in that community. i'm wondering what they feel >> reporter: well anderson, i have to say it's been surprising because while everybody seems to be in agreement this is good news, i actually spoke with a lot of people from around the
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neighborhood who said they simply didn't believe it. they didn't believe that he was dead. they said just yesterday the media was saying that he's in syria. how is it possible that he was in paris? and i think what that really speaks to anderson is a lack of trust between people living in neighborhoods like saint-denis, this is a rough inner city neighborhood and between french authorities. other people said that they were glad that this was over. but they had no faith that it wasn't going to continue. looking at the broader picture one woman said radicalism is a real problem here in this neighborhood. and up until now french authorities have essentially ignored it. [speaking foreign language] she said they have to open their eyes. mixed reactions here really. but the prevalent one are either resignation that these type of attacks could well continue, or anderson, just absolute disbelief that he's even been killed. >> we could also point out of course there is still an international man hunt on for
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salah abdeslam the 8th terrorist. there may be a ninth as well because there was cell phone camera footage of two people in the vehicle he was in. the identity of the ninth person is not at least publicly known. and as clarissa as paul was talking about, there is a wider network of french, of belgians still working in syria and elsewhere planning attacks. >> reporter: that is right. this is not limited to abdelhamid abaaoud. the reality is this problem is much deeper and the network is much wider than just one man. and i did just want to bring in the french interior ministerry just said that they now believe of the six terror attacks they
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have foild since the spring abaaoud was responsible or played a role in at least four of them. that gives you a sense of just how powerful and central a figure he was in the jihad scene here in france. but it also gives you a sense anderson of the fact as the media often we only talk about these attacks when they actually happen. but to hear of six foiled attacks it gives you a real good sense of how many attacks the french are successfully thwarting and just what they are up against in terms of the magnitude and scale of the problem. >> which may have been why this guy wanted to be close to the1k attacks taking place here. perhaps he was trying to do it from afar in the past and decided he wanted to be closer, which is why he came back to france. would be fascinating to find out when it was he actually returned here. clarissa, thanks for reporting.
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later this afternoon t full house will vote on a republican-backed bill a that would suspend the current program allowing syria and iraqi refugees into the united states. the bill would require them to certify the refugee is not a security threat and adequate
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background checks have been conducted. the white house says those checks will not provide any additional security and president obama will likely veto the bill. and from presidential candidates to mayors of the nations biggest city, lawmakers are speaking out and at times taking aim at one another. >> the president's the person who created this entire situation. she didn't keep his word when he drew a red line in syria. he loud it to happen. he hasn't set up a no fly zone which would create a safe haven for these refugees in their own country. causing them to go all across the world. and it is a joke. and he's a joke on this issue. >> this child's death was on the image of newspapers all over the world. this gripped the world literally. governor christie specifically said he did not think it was appropriate for small children to be brought in.
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is this what he wants to see happened to people? we don't accept that here in new york city. >> my next guest is a syrian native who has lived in the united states for 30 years and says the paris attacks have made him in his words anxious about the way the muslims will be treated here as a result. a pediatric oncologist, doctor, good morning. tell me why you're anxious. >> i'm really worried about a lot of these syrian refugees and i hope our lawmakers don't create another san flus moment. two miles behind me our congress and our administration turned 900 jews back to the war where some of them got killed by the nazis.
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so i'm really anxious about thousands of these children orphans. they don't need back check. we have thousands of elderly that need basic medical needs and their 70s and 80s. they don't need back check. and now we're going to close our doors? >> what about the notion of a safe zone being created in syria? is that possible? >> we've been talking about no fly zone as the syrian-american council in the united states for four years. i think if there is a will, there is a possibility. but unfortunately our administration lacks the will. >> you don't think president obama has done enough in other words. >> yes. absolutely. as what we heard for the last few years this problem could have really stopped. and unfortunately we are where we are right now.
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>> today the house will vote on a bill the republicans say will add additional security against allowing syrian refugees to enter the united states. sho should the house take a pause? >> i don't think there is anything wrong with taking a moment to pause. i know the families we here go through year and a half of vetting before they can come here. if we can pause for a day for a week i don't think that is a problem. but to say we're going to shut the door and play politics that is going to take the whole thing out and i don't think we're going to get any refugees for probably a couple of years. >> five syrians have been detained in honduras who traveled with fake passports to the country's capital. the state spokesperson says he thinks they planned to travel to the united states. does this concern even you?
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>> it does concern me. you know, these young kids are risking their lives to get [ inaudible ] and you just saw the picture of that young family and young boy that died. because when we don't let them come in a real way that we vet them, they are going to risk their life. i am concerned, absolutely. >> and just the last question for you sir about the rhetoric right now concerning syrian refugees and muslims in general. how do you feel about that? and does that increase your anxiety? >> yes. history repeats itself. in world war ii we took the japanese with [inaudible] they were responsible with pearl harbor and after 9/11, we syrian american or american-muslim sorry, got very marginalized and
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welcome back to our continuing coverage here from paris. one of the most gripping accounts of the mass car at bataclan theater last friday night was posted on facebook by a young south african woman who survived. her name is isabel badri. she survived by pretending she was dead. hi a chance to sit down with she and her boyfriend and listen to their thoughts about that
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terrible, terrible night. >> do you feel hate? >> none. that's what they want. they want us to fear. they want us to hate, that it's so important to remember how many more great people there are than bad. [ speaking french ] >> no, no. >> it's interesting you say to
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fight this with love. that's important to you? >> it's imperative. it's imperative that we take this horrific story and learn from it to appreciate life, to realize that the victims of this tragedy don't get their lives. so we live -- we get to live, and we are incredibly lucky. >> incredibly lucky, indeed, and incredibly strong. our coverage of the breaking news out of paris continues after a short break. the only way to get better is to challenge yourself,
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good morning to you. i'm carol costello in new york. we have breaking news out of paris. the ring leader of the paris attacks, abdelhamid abaaoud, has been killed, according to the french prosecutor's office. let's head to paris and anderson cooper has more. hi, anderson. >> hey, carol. yeah, huge news today out of paris. the ring leader, as you said, of the paris attacks confirmed dead, fingerprints a short time ago proving he was killed in one of yesterday's raids in the neighborhood of saint-dines. we'll break down what his death has meend by a city scarred by his attacks, and the terrorist group already naming new york as a future target in the video. i want to turn to my colleagues who have done quite a bit of leading on this ring leader. paul cruickshank joining me at
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place de la republique and international reporter paul robertson. a big victory for french intelligence, french police who were able to move in quickly on intelligence. to your point earlier, there is a larger network, which remains very much in place and very interested in continuing attacks. and there's still a manhunt out for the eighth terrorist, possibly a ninth. >> that's right. what i'm told by officials are there are about a half dozen belgian and french jihadis part of isis who have moved up the hierarchy of isis, who have been working together to plot attacks against france and europe. abdelhamid abaaoud was just one of them. but there are others as well who may have even more stature in the group than him. those include fabien clain who claimed responsibility for isis in the video that came out a few hours after the attack. the french believe that he's been working together with abaaoud to launch a string of
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terrorist plots against france. in fact, just a few minutes ago, the interior minister of france said of the half dozen terrorist plots they've had in france in the period since the spring, abdelhamid abaaoud has been involved in four of those. the belief is that he's been working together with other french and belgian isis operatives in syria. that they're quickly turning around french recruits, giving them a one or two-week training course and then sending them back to launch attacks. their responsible for the attempt on the passenger train with three american heroes saved the day. also, though, a plot in august where somebody was tasked by al abaaoud to come back and attack a concert hall. one other interesting thing about fabien clain, the guy working together with al abaaoud, back in 2009 he's thought to have been responsible for plotting a attack against the bataclan concert hall. >> all the way back in 2009, incredible. nic robertson, do we know much
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about the connection between this alleged ring leader and this so-called eighth terrorist, salah abdeslam, who there is this international arrest warrant out for, who is believed to have been the eighth terrorist involved in the attacks friday, was apprehended, was pulled over, in a routine stop after the attacks in france, headed toward belgium, was released. there were two other people in the vehicle with him. those two were arrested over the weekend and later released. they said they just went to pick him up. actually, they haven't been released. they'll be charged with helping him come back to belgium. do we know much about the connection between these two? >> reporter: yeah, salah abdeslam was living in belgium. of course, abaaoud was of moroccan descent but a belgian national living in belgium. so the opportunity for
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connection there, sheer proximity and sheer shared isis values and ideals. so, there's an immediate link there. also the interior minister, bernard cazenueve made it very, very clear that he said abaaoud was, you know, in connection with other jihadists here in france, that the investigation to push that forward will continue. we've also learned as well through a source familiar with the investigation here that it was the moroccans, of course, abaaoud of moroccan origin, moroccan intelligence that tipped off french intelligence that he was on french soil. they tipped them off to the 16th. that was two days, barely, before the raid on saint-dines. the french moved very quickly. the opportunity for the connection between salah and abaaoud clearly in the same
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group of people, if you were, in the monthliy molenbeek neighbo brussels, would have given them more than adequate opportunity to connect. details beyond that are not entirely clear. a strong working supposition there. >> yeah, paul, i'd also heard, i think, a belgian official said a short time ago that they had actually spent some time in jail or prison together. and if that is, in fact, the case, as this belgian official says, and it seems to be, that's yet another evidence of the role that internment, that prisons actually play in furthering recruitment in many places. >> that's absolutely right, anderson. abaaoud and the two brothers involved in the attack, they all knew each other. they all kind of grew up together, involved in gangsterism together. i've been told that by belgian officials. some were in jail together, at least one brother was in jail for some time for robbery. in jail, the message that goes out to these youngsters that are
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going into jail, is that you can atone for your past behavior, it's redemption if you join our cause. they also give them an explanation for why they were getting involved in all this kind of thing and also alcohol and drugs and girls and all that. you are corrupted by the infidel west, we can offer you paradise. they want all the rewards they're told about in heaven. they really believe this. i mean -- >> also, many people could be psychopaths and just want to kill people. and this gives them a justification for doing that. >> abdelhamid abaaoud had sadistic kind of tendencies, who brutalalized people, drug corpses behind his car. there are things that are too horrific to describe on air. there's this video we have, cnn has this video, where he's behind some sandbags in 2014 in syria, joining a battle. you can hear him talk about how
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he gets pleasure from seeing the blood of the infidels being spilled. this is a guy they were dealing with that managed to come back to europe despite the international dragnet against him. >> thank you. there have been a lot of developments over the last 24 hours. want to show you some chilling video that captures the isis attack on a paris cafe. this is one that was struck on friday night and one woman's escape from near certain death. she was down on the ground. one terrorist came directly above her, pointed his gun right at her. unclear whether he fired and the gun jammed or whether for some reason he just walked away, but she was able to get up and run away after that. you'll see that. it comes from dailymail.com. cnn's chris cuomo walks us through it. >> you can see glass windows shattering as the gunman starts firing from outside. people running in to escape the
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bullets. everyone diving out of the way and hiding behind walls, desperately looking for cover. the gunman showing no signs of mercy, coming right up to the edge of the cafe, aiming at a woman defenseless on the ground. but in one of the more miraculous moments, either the gun malfunctions or the gunman misfires and the woman gets up and runs away. from another angle, you can see two employees ducking behind the bar as bullets start flying. one of them managing to flee down a flight of stairs as fear grips the cafe. the other helps a woman who had run inside after the siege began. people seen tossing chairs and tables out of the way to find safety as the attacks continue. the glass and dust clouding the camera's view of the cafe, terror rocking the city of paris, bringing a lively friday night to deadening silence. >> incredible video there and incredibly lucky woman to have escaped near certain death. in belgium, police launching a
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new wave of raids as the government is promising a new crackdown on islamic jihadists. we want to go to our ivan watson, who's in brussels with the latest on that. do we know much about these raids, ivan? >> reporter: well, certainly the investigators here say there's no real time to celebrate the death of abaaoud. they're very busy looking for the missing fugitive, salah abdeslam. he's suspected accomplice in the paris attacks. notably, those two men had been convicted together of the same crime of theft in 2011 and ended up spending a month in prison. so, they knew each other by effectively being convicted partners in crime, anderson. the raids that the police have conducted this morning at at least a half dozen locations, three of those search warrants related to the paris attacks. and in those raids, the police detained at least two people. we're trying to find out a bit more about that, anderson. in the meantime, reactions here, well, the government so far has
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not reacted officially to the death of buelgium's most notorious jihadist but talking to people on the street, one man said, there's one less terrorist, i'm a muslim man and nothing i've read in the koran says it's okay to blow yourself up and kill people. another woman said she was sad about the news of this man's death. and she blames the u.s. and france bombing muslim countries for this situation. and that opinion kind of gets at some of the disaffection that exists in some communities here that could have led to the recruitment of hundreds and hundreds of people of belgians who have joined the ranks of isis in recent years. anderson? >> we should also point out, the united states gives an extraordinary amount of aid to syrians who are trying to avoid the conflict there. ivan, what is the problem with
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the belgian's intelligence services? everybody wants to belgium as the weak link in the intelligence chain among european countries. >> reporter: as one investigator here explained to me, their services are stretched thin. just trying to keep track of around 160 belgian nationals and residents who all traveled to syria to fight with groups like isis and have since returned. and on top of that, they have hundreds and hundreds more who have either traveled to syria and are believed to be there fighting with isis or are hoping to travel there. so, they say they simply don't have the manpower to handle all of this. another narrative that has come up from among belgian officials is that the external borders of europe are not being protected well enough. so, they can't tell if they've issued an international arrest warrant against people like
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these suicide bombers from paris, they did not know that man had come back from fighting in syria. they did not know he was back in syria until he blue himself up in paris. this is a big question that has to be discussed in the days and weeks ahead. anderson? >> a lot more work to be done in terms of data sharing between countries. ivan watson, thank you. there's a lot more to come. isis unleashing yet another threat against the united states. this time a vow to strike new york city. up next, why the city's mayor says his community will not be intimidated. we'll be right back.
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proving he was killed in one of yesterday's raid, the raid in saint-denis outside the city. there is concerned about the so-called eighth terrorist who's still out on the loose. the man known to have been involved in friday night's attack, and a potential ninth who may have been seen with him. that arrest warrant coming out of brussels. we'll have more on that later. let's go back to carol costello in new york. >> all right, thanks, anderson. back here on american soil, new york city officials are send a firm message to terrorists, we will not be intimidated. that pushback after isis unveil aid new video threatening another attack. we have made the decision not to show you that video, because, frankly, that's exactly what isis wants. with me to talk about this threat in new york and how authorities are dealing with, it cnn's morris sanchez live from times square. good morning.
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all right. obviously, we're having technical difficulties. boris cannot hear me. i was in times square yesterday, and there's a large police presence there. new york city police are asking residents to be hypervigilant but saying, please, do not panic. we have the situation under control. we're on high alert. you should be on alert too. also, alert too. also, this just into cnn -- oh, we have boris sanchez again. can you hear me in times square? you can see preparations for different kinds of terrorist attacks. the one that's really concerning is a portion of the video where you see someone take a bomb and apparently place it inside their jacket and zip it up. interspersed with that clip are shots of times square here in new york city. new york officials are saying it's not really something to be worried about.
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not only is the video not something new. the footage from the video is recycled. but they say threats from new york city come all the time. mayor de blasio and police commissioner bratton said new yorkers should not be worried. >> the people of new york city will not be intimidated. we understand it is the goal of terrorists to intimidate and disrupt our democratic society. we will not submit to their wishes. >> there is, as we have repeated frequently, no city in america that is better prepared to defend and protect against a terrorist attack. >> reporter: and it really isn't something new, carol. you might recall, in 2010, not 100 feet from where i'm standing, there was that failed car bombing attempt, that nissan pathfinder that the detonator
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fizzled. a close call. we've seen added patrols, tactical teams as well as a bomb-sniffing dog walking around, aside from the standard nypd officers that are here in times square. so, certainly that they are looking out for, carol. >> boris sanchez reporting live from times square. thanks. this just into cnn. eight syrians have turned themselves in at the texas border in roar rlower raid doug. two men, two women and four children. they were taken into custody by border control and turned over to immigration officials for more processing. they're now being held at a texas detention center about 100 miles from the border. also, would he learning new details about five syrian men who were detained in honduras before being busted with fake passports. an immigration official says that group is not linked to any terrorist organization. let's get to our reporter in miami. good morning.
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>> reporter: good morning, carol. we just received that information from the honduran office of immigration services. not only do they say that none of the men are linked to a terrorist organization, but they're also saying that four of the five men are students. the five syrians had traveled through five countries, including lebanon, turkey and brazil, before they were stopped in the capital of honduras yesterday. as you mentioned, all were using fake greek passports when they were detained. greek authorities and interpol were involved in tracking the men, but we still don't know why these men were being tracked. authorities in honduras believe the men were headed to the united states, likely planning to travel by land through guatemala and mexico. the men were supposed to appear in court today, but their court appearance has been delayed for a few days so authorities can investigate further. they are each facing charges of falsifying documents and identity fraud. carol? >> i know you've been in touch
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with immigration officials, alina. do you know anything more about this syrian family trying to cross the border in texas? >> as you mentioned, two syrian families that showed up at the laredo border crossing in texas. both families are being processed at two detention centers. what we don't know is how often this happens along the border. how many syrians have crossed either legally or illegally across the border? we have calls into the department of homeland security and hope to get numbers from them in order to put this into context, carol. >> i'll let you get back to is it. still to come in the "newsroom," breaking news this morning. the ringleader of last week's terror attacks, was he part of other plots? we'll talk about that next. the future belongs to the fast.
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good morning. i'm carol costello in new york.
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thank you for joining us. breaking news in paris where officials say the ringleader of friday's terror attacks has been killed. we now know he may have been responsible for more than one terror attack. let's head straight to paris and anderson cooper. hi, anderson. >> hey, carol. yeah, we want to bring you up to the minute on the latest developments in the terror attacks here, obviously, a lot of fast-moving pieces to the investigation. the suspected ringleader confirmed dead just a few hours ago. french authorities said fingerprints show that the ringleader is one of two people to die yesterday in the raid in saint-denis. the other female who detonated an explosive device. in belgium police launching half dozen raids in and around brussels. they're targeting people they say are connected to dilal hafdi, who detonated outside france's national stadium friday night. that part of the multiple coordinated attacks that took place on friday.
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in new york, mayor de blasio says the city will not be intimidated by the latest isis threat. a newly released video vows an impending attack on new york and shows a would-be bomber zipping up his jacket to hide a suicide belt. a lot of the images in that video have been seen before. let's return to the death of the suspected ringleader of friday's attacks. it is obviously the biggest news out of paris this morning. cnn's nic robertson joins us, also terry, a journalist with bfm tv here in paris. terry, let me start with you. obviously, huge news here in paris. also french authorities have decided to extend the state of emergency for another three months. what does that allow intelligence services, police to do that they couldn't do previously? >> makes it easier to conduct searches, for example. you don't need a warrant from a judge. you can just go out and do that. it allows also for house arrests on a much more sound legal basis, much quicker, much more efficient has been extended.
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that is the two main things the french government wanted to make easier, faster and more readily usable. >> extended for three months. nic robertson, what's the latest we know about the -- how they identified the bomber -- excuse me, how they identified the ringleader of the attacks on friday. it was done through fingerprints, right? >> reporter: it was done through fingerprints. we're told there was multiple impacts on his body. it's not clear -- the first reports we had yesterday going back to the raid was that this person was hit by a sniper. then there was reports he was hit by grenades. then there were reports perhaps he was injured as a result of his cousin, who was the female suicide bomber, detonating her explosives. now the prosecutor said multiple, multiple impacts. so, despite the fact that there were a lot of facial images of him, a lot of pictures of his face out there, it did take that
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forensic testing to make sure that they had got their man. the prosecutor, of course, last night at his press conference saying this was almost 12 hours after the raid had taken place, that it was still too early to call who this person was, that the building was so destroyed, it was going to take a long time to get that dna or to get that dna evidence, the forensic testing done. over 24 hours later now, the prosecutor has made it very clear that they do now know that they got their man. we've heard now from the interior minister as well, saying that this man, abaaoud, played a decisive role in this attack. that he is associated with other known jihadists in france. that they are on their trail. that he was involved in four of the six plots that were foiled since spring. significant, anderson. >> what does it say about the difficulties of tracking these guys and about the capabilities here and throughout europe and
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elsewhere that this guy, this ringleader, who was known to authorities here, who was wanted for arrest in belgium, was able to get back from syria, back to france, and we don't know for how long, and that if he was in that neighborhood for a while, that nobody turned him in. >> exactly. that's why it's a major concern as well as a major win for the reason that nic just outlined. to be concerned for the french for two reasons. a few minutes the french interior minister said they received no notice, no information whatsoever from foreign intelligence sources with knowledge that he might be in the country. so, that's a major issue, a major policy issue that will need to be addressed. internationally, but mostly, the big focus for us will be on european sharing of information over the next few days. >> that's what everybody says. there's a real issue with sharing of information between european governments. obviously, it's something the united states had, again, a big
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problem with prior to 9/11, sharing between the fbi and the cia. a lot of that has been improved upon. clearly europe has an issue with sharing intelligence. >> you could sense the french minister was very frustrated. there's a meeting tomorrow. french requested with all of the interior ministers from the 28 european countries. they will be all around the table and try to figure out how they can improve that. the second issue, which is quite important as well, is what about european borders? we share a border. if you want to travel between france and belgium, france and germany, you're completely free to do so. but at the point where you want to enter a european border, what is the nature of the control? how do you strengthen it and how do you make sure these guys, when they try to enter europe, you know, are seen and quality. >> while certainly the manhunt continues for the eighth, possibly ninth terrorists involved in friday's -- it is probably important for people in paris to at least take a breath today and feel some relief that
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this ringleader has been killed. >> yes, of course, because one of the things the prosecutor said as well yesterday was that he was not alone in that apartment. he was in what he called a new team, a new team, designed, obviously, to carry out additional attacks. so, for that reason, of course, it's also very important that he was caught. >> yeah, no doubt about it. the timing could not have been better. thank you so much. nic robertson as well. we'll continue to check in with you. meanwhile, air strikes continue to hit isis targets in syria. we've got new sprid yoe this morning from the russian military of what they say is russian jets striking fuel trucks in an attempt to take out isis's main source of income. now, the illegal export of oil, obviously, has been a huge boone to isis. this is french military saying they have destroyed 35 isis targets, dropping 60 bombs since the attacks in paris on friday. the exact nature of those targets, not yet clear. coming up in this hour ahead,
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hello, i'm carol costello. in light of the paris attacks, the fight over allowing syrian and iraqi refugees to resettle in the united states heads to capitol hill today, where in just over an hour lawmakers will vote on a republican-backed bill that would suspend the current program until new measures are implemented. the bill would require national security agencies to certify that a refugee is not a security
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threat, and require the fbi director to certify that adequate background checks have been conducted. now, the white house says those certifications will not provide any additional security to americans and that president obama will veto the bill if it, indeed, passes. but the decision to allow syrian refugees to resettle in the united states has become a hot-button issue in the 2016 campaign. as president obama and the republicans who want to succeed him, trade jabs over the crisis. obama slamming what he calls republican hysteria and mocking them for what he calls being scared of widows and orphans, which prompted this response from new jersey governor chris christie. >> the fact is the president could fix this problem in syria if he had acted before. he could help to ameliorate it now but he's unwilling and unable to do that. his failures have created this crisis, and now he is the one who wants to be a critic? i don't take any criticism from the president seriously. he lives in a fantasy land,
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jake. in the way he thinks the world should be, not the way the world is. >> ben carson outlining his plan to defeat isis to "the washington post," but not before taking shots at the white house, writing in part, quote, the containment strategy currently employed by the obama administration has simply not addressed the huge power vacuum created by the abdication of u.s. leadership in the region. and then there was this comment from gop front-runner donald trump. >> we have a president that doesn't have a clue. we have a president that said isis is contained, jeff. can you believe that statement? they've been contained. >> is he a threat to national security? mr. trump, is obama now a threat to america's national security? >> i think he's a threat to our country. >> republican governor and presidential candidate john kasich of ohio joins me now on the phone. welcome, governor. >> thank you, carol. >> you heard what donald trump just said.
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is the president of the united states a threat to his own country? >> look, i'm not going there, carol. i do want to talk about is, you know, there was a call the other day with the white house on being able to admit people to -- to our country. and it's really a series of interviews. you know, what people say and, look, the volume would be so significant, i think it would provide a risk to our nation. and i just don't think this makes any sense with the people of this country saying, look, we want to be safe. let's take a pause. what the house republicans are proposing, is that our security agencies can ramp this up and certify that what we have will work. so for the white house to indicate they're going to veto that bill, i just think that is not the way to -- it is an illustration of the fact that -- it's an illustration of the fact that the administration doesn't know how to work with congress. >> well, governor, let me run
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this by you, because we already have a very complicated process in effect. it requires that applicants' history, family origins and law enforcement and past travel and immigration records, they're vetted by national security, intelligence, law enforcement and consequence lor offices. this can take 18 months to 2 years for each person. there are complicated safeguards already in place. some might say the republicans are playing politics to try to keep all refugees out of the country all together. >> well, carol, here's the thing. you know, people have accused me of having too big of a heart. and i do have a big heart. but i also have a pretty good brain. the fact is these people are coming from a war-torn area with no papers. we don't know who they are. and the answer the administration has is, well, we're going to sit down and do a bunch of interviews to try to figure out who they are. you have james clapper, one of our top intelligence people,
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saying we can't determine who they are. we have the head of the fbi saying the same thing. so, when they're saying, we don't know who these people are and we can't guarantee security, i don't know why we'd let them in. let me also say to you, i hear what some of the criticism of the administration is. i've been advocating a no-fly zone with the sanctuary to be guarded by the jordanians and the kurds in syria, or to help the jordanians keep them in the region or to help the saudis keep them in the region. you know, this -- these are people that probably don't even want to leave the region if, in fact, they could be safe. and yet we don't do this. the president said the other day, he said that, well, you know, the no-fly zone, maybe that's not such a bad idea, but who's going to guard that? we have an answer as to who's going to guard it. carol, i think we're not looking at the basis of the problem. i think we're looking at symptoms. and finally at the end of it all, we need to lead a coalition to go and destroy isis, including our own boots on the ground. i mean -- >> before we talk about --
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before we talk about boots on the ground, i want to go back to the rhetoric that's out there. you know, donald trump did say the president was a threat to his own country. other candidates have called president obama a joke. this is a time when americans are feeling real anxiety after what happened in paris. shouldn't this be a time that we're drawing together to come up with a plan? don't we look to our leaders to calm things down not to panic people? >> well, carol, that's why i've argued that experience and being in executive matters. you haven't heard me using that kind of language. i am very determined about what i believe but as an executive your job is to keep calm. your job is really not to call names. i don't do that. that's not who i am. i don't think it's constructive and i don't think it's helpful for our country. look, this country's going to have to make a number of sacrifices now in order to defeat this enemy. we can't be doing this arguing and fighting with one another.
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frankly, carol, i do not think what the governorings of this country are asking for, a bipartisan group of governorgov is asking for, is unreasonable. yeah, i'm disturbed by calling the president names. any president. i lididn't like it when they called george bush names. they him all sorts of names. we've got to knock this off. we're americans before anything else. >> i want to ask you about something you said the other day. you said you wanted to create a ju day yoe federal christian agency to get a clear set of what our values are. what is that? >> well, carol, we used to have the voice of america. look, i believe in the western ethic. what is the western ethic? equality of women, respecting science and education, the importance of recognizing that every single life matters. i've argued that we need to bring those moderate muslims in to be able to communicate this
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throughout the world, as to who we are, because it is a war against our civilization. and i think we need to more effectively be able to communicate exactly what our values are. and we shouldn't run away from them. but this is not designed to be exclusive. it's not designed to tell people, you've got to go to church. it's basically to do what things like the voice of america did, which is to communicate very effectively what our values are as a civilization. because our very civilization is under attack. they don't like the fact that you are a woman and a newscaster. they think you should be a piece of property. they think because we don't think the way they do, we should be killed. so, it's really a question of whether we can show people, particularly people who sit on the fence, who don't have much meaning in their life, that, in fact, western civilization means something about who they are and what they need to be. >> but, of course, many, many muslims believe what you just said about my being a woman and a newscaster, too, correct? >> right. i'm saying that we need those
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moderate muslims who have condemned the paris attacks -- there are a great number of muslims who are speaking out saying, this is not who we are. this is not what our religion is. we need to bundle them together. we need to gather them together with people, you know, who are the traditionalists in our country and those that are members of the jewish faith, the christian faith, the muslim faith, to deliberate very strong message worldwide about the dignity of the individual and the fact that these radicals don't represent hope or the future for anybody that it's about humanity and who we are. >> governor john kasich of ohio, thank you for joining me this morning. i'll be right back and we'll go to paris after a break. i brto get us moving.tein i'm new ensure active high protein. i help you recharge with nutritious energy and strength. i'll take that. yeeeeeah! new ensure active high protein. 16 grams of protein and 23 vitamins and minerals. ensure. take life in.
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welcome back. we're coming to you life from paris. want to bring you back to the breaking news. the city embracing the good news that the attacked ringleader, friday night's attack, ringleader, confirmed by fingerprint ace short time ago proving he was one of the people killed yesterday in the raids at saint-denis outside the city. police have not said whether he was shot to death or detonated an explosive device or killed in another form of explosion, but they said his body was riddled with what they called impacts. a grieving husband who lost his wife at the bataclan theater, says he will not give into hate for the sake of his 17-month-old son. hala gorani spoke to him.
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>> and the other thing that you said is, your son -- we are only two, my son and me, but we are stronger than all the armies of the world, which i thought was so beautiful. [ speaking french ]
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>> i don't know about daesh, et cetera. we stand free. we stand with the taste of life. we stand with happiness. we play games with my son. and then, no, we don't win. no, no, we stand. >> >> reporter: your son is only 17 months. >> yes. >> reporter: so, still he doesn't understand. >> but he hears everything. and he knows everything. we talk about it. and then he cried, but he was crying about -- because his mother -- he misses mother. so, i took my phone and put some music that he was listening with his mother, and we look at photos. he show me, this is my mother. mama, mama, mama. then he cries and we try together. we don't pretend that we're not sad or devastated. no, we are.
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but we stand. since friday night, life decide for me. day after day, i will see. >> the strength of people in this moment of grief, where the grief is still so raw, to be able to speak of love, to be able to speak so eloquently, is extraordinary. we've heard that from many of the survivors of the attacks and many of the loved ones who lost people friday night. thanks for joining us from paris today. i'm anderson cooper. i'll be, obviously, on "360" tonight. carol, an extraordinary day here in paris given the news that the ringleader these friday night attacks has been killed. >> a small victory, perhaps, for france. as you mentioned, the people of france are -- the people of paris have been so strong. and they do talk of love. it's just amazing. anderson cooper, many thanks to
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you. i'm carol costello in new york. "at this hour with berman and bolduan" after a break.
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hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan joining you live from new york. we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world at this hour. >> i'm john berman live in paris. this is cnn's special coverage of the takedown of one of the world's most wanted terrorists. let's get you up to speed with the very latest. the dramatic news. abdelhamid abaaoud is dead. the man believed to be the planner, the architect of friday's attack that stole the lives

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