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hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan joining you live from new york. we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world at this hour. >> i'm john berman live in paris. this is cnn's special coverage of the takedown of one of the world's most wanted terrorists. let's get you up to speed with the very latest. the dramatic news. abdelhamid abaaoud is dead. the man believed to be the planner, the architect of friday's attack that stole the lives of 129 people here in
paris, killed. french officials say prints from his hands and feet confirmed that he died in the stunning raid in the suburb of saint-denis yesterday. his body riddled with bullets before he could carry out another act of terror. french officials have linked him to at least four foiled plots in europe this year. and at this moment, investigators are tracing links to several more known jihadists. this news comes as yet another attacker, salah abdeslam, is still on the loose this morning. he was last seen on the road to belgium. today new raids in belgium, where so much of the planning and organizing for these paris attacks happened. as i said, so much news to go over today. the major development, the death of the planner, abdelhamid abaaoud. we'll turn to cnn diplomatic editor nic robertson for more on this. nic? >> reporter: well, we know that he's been identified through forensic analysis. the prosecutor told us the building was badly collapsed.
obviously, his face and picture are very well known to french authority, so what we heard from the prosecutor today, that it had multiple impacts on his body. not clear if it was from the first sniper shot and the subsequent fuselage of bullets or if it was because he had some kind of explosives near him, was caught in an explosion are or the explosives that went off when his cousin, the female suicide bomber there, detonated her suicide vest. but the prosecutor said very clearly, they identified, and the interior minister making very clear this is not the end. it is the beginning. this man has connection with other known jihadists. that's what the interior minister said, they will continue investigating those connections. we also understand that the reason french authorities were able to begin to know they needed to look urgently for this man on their own soil is because they got a tip-off from moroccan officials. abaaoud, a belgian national but
moroccan origin. moroccan sources who told the french two days before this raid that he was on french soil. the french then being able to zero in on telephone intercepts to know the location to go to. but the big headline from the interior minister today, this man he called -- he said he played a decisive role in friday's attack, was involved, connected with four of six terror plots the government said it thwarted since spring this year. john? >> the moroccans told the french about him being in france on the 16th. the attacks here in paris were on the 13th. that gives you a sense, though, of how much more is needed in terms of speed of communication between countries right now and the battle against terrorists like this. nic, any sense of what they're investigating now? if they believe there are other terror cells still at work here in paris.
>> reporter: okay. i was outside that apartment in saint-denis until late in the night. the police told me the operation there would probably continue for another 24 hours. substantial physical damage. what they will be looking in there is any cell phones, any recent written communications, any computers, any hard drives that can give an indication to where abaaoud was in the previous days. they got from the moroccans two days prior to that raid that he was here in paris. so, what was he doing before? what were his foot steps on the important days leading up to the attack on the 13th, friday? who was he speaking to? where is he going? that will lead police to the next stage of where the interior minister hinted they're going, the connection with other jihadists. so as the police go through that apartment -- the two apartments there, that will provide them a level of information. of course, they say they arrested -- took into custody eight people, three of them, they say they arrested in
connection with these terrorism offenses. so, they will be talking to them as well to generate more information. the government here has told us the prime minister, the interior minister has also said as well, the french president, that the raids on homes of suspected jihadists around france will continue. the legislation that's been debated and passed today will make that easier. so, i think we can expect, from what we're hearing from the interior minister, to expect more operations to target more of the people that they will undoubtedly find were in connection with abaaoud in the recent weeks. john? >> they staged more than 100 raids a night every night since the attacks here last friday. nic robertson here in paris, thank you so much. we have breaking news from belgium as well. six anti-terror raids launched there today. we understand at least nine people have been detained now in connection with the attacks here in paris. i want to get to ivan watson
right now, who is in belgium, with the very latest. ivan, what do you know? >> reporter: john, that's right. that series of raids taking place in and around the belgian capital, brussels. now,le several of these raids were conducted in connection with the investigation into the paris attacks. you had at least two people detained for questioning. belgian investigators say. and then there were another series of search warrants and raids that were carried out in connection with a case that has been open since the beginning of 2015, police here say. and that's into a man named bilal hafdi. he is a resident of belgium, also one of the suicide bombers from the paris attacks. he had been on the radar of belgian investigators for some time when he was believed to have left belgium and gone to syria to join the ranks of isis. but what the belgian investigators say they did not know is that he had somehow gotten back into europe.
they only discovered he was back in europe when his remains were found among all the carnage in paris. when asked about the reaction to the deaths of abaaoud, the federal prosecutor's office here said that they don't really have time to rest on any kind of whirls. they're busy right now searching for another key suspect, that fugitive, salah abdeslam, who has been missing sin the paris attacks, whose car was found here in brussels after the paris attacks, after a brief questioning period by french police when he escaped the dragnet there. he's still very much wanted. authorities here very worried what he may be capable of, as long as he is still a fugitive. john? >> that's right. he very much still on the run right now. as we see, probably the most wanted man in europe. ivan watson in belgium, thank you so much. want to bring in cnn terror analyst paul cruickshank.
abdelhamid abaaoud dead. three things, i think, that are crucial here. one, it's amazing that he was here in france in the shadow of the stade de france, the stadium attacked friday night. number two, it's amazing they pulled this off. they killed him within days of this attack. number three, and this may be the most important for us right now, what does this mean going forward for the battle against would-be terrorists here in paris? does it disrupt or slow down possible operations? >> i think it does disrupt. abaaoud was probably going to be part of second wave, another spectacular attack when all of the world's media was here in paris. they had very heavy weapons. this was the second team, it's almost certain at this point they were about to launch an attack, we've been told that by sources, officials. this is the worrying thing. this is part of a wider network. a half dozen belgium and french isis recruits, climbed up the hierarchy, many are now in raqqah, where they're training,
fresh recruits coming in from belgium, france, other countries, giving them one or two weeks training and sending them back to launch attacks. this is laid out to me by intelligence officials. a key figure in this network working together with abdelhamid abaaoud was fabien clain, who is ten years older than abaaoud and is likely playing a more senior role in this conspiracy than abaaoud, because he's older and they've been working in tandem and some of these other recruit fighters to plot a wave of terrorist attacks against europe. and the interior minister bernard cazeneuve was talking about this. he says out of the six terror plots in the last six months, four were orchestrated by abaaoud. but it was abaaoud working together, they believe, with fabien clain. why is fabien clain interested in he has a long track record of jihadist activity. he was friends with mohamed merah who killed the jewish school children in 2012 in southern france, in prison for a while in a network with al
qaeda, the same group as isis. and back in 2009 he was involved in plotting against the bataclan concert hall here in france. not only that, john, he claimed responsibility for this attack for isis. we have that audio. we're working, efforting to get it onto cnn. claiming responsibility for the attack, saying that it was partly targeting the head of the french republic. the guy claiming the attack is still at large in raqqah, working with abaaoud, working to push even more of these recruits back. all of that very alarming. this threat is nowhere near over. it's just beginning. isis is starting to push down the accelerator when it comes to international terrorism, targeting not just the west, but also russia. it's going all out right now. why is that the case? one theory is that they have this apocalyptic vision that they want the west, they want russia to go in in a big way.
they're trying to provoke it because they think the end of days is coming. it will be a last battle in this town in syria, where according to one of these prophecies, which isn't authenticated, they believe there's going to be this end of days battle between the armies of rome and armies of muslims. they're trying to make that happen more quickly. they think they're agents of god. that's part of the calculation. from a russian point of view, it electrifies their base around the world. >> i don't know there's a rationale point of view. fabien clain, this man still in raqqah. any sense of why abdelhamid abaaoud, any sense of why he was here, running or helping orchestrate these operations? >> because they felt, clearly, he would be a good organizer here, working with these youngsters that he knew. i mean, he grew up with two of his brothers, right, we've been talking about, the abdeslam brothers. they were part of a gang toll in molenbeek. they've known each other for a
long time. being able to come into the country with people he's known, evaded security services with in the past, all that's been very useful to isis. so, i think they felt that they -- you know, they could send abaaoud back, you know, be a sort of local team leader here. but some of the more senior french brains behind this operation, including the guy who claimed responsibility for isis, are still there at large, doing more of this pressing the exc accelerat accelerator. fasten your seat belts. >> paul cruickshank, very dire warning to hear that. yes, abdelhamid abaaoud is dead but the man who claimed responsibility, fabien clain, still alive and in syria. new this morning, china is promising revenge after isis it said killed a chinese hostage. could this change the situation on the ground in syria? plus, new isis video depi depicting isis suicide bombers preparing for an attack on new york city. what intelligence officials say about this video.
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welcome back, everyone. we're following breaking news this morning out of paris. officials there confirms that the suspected ringleader behind friday's terror attacks was killed. in that police raid and fire fight in saint-denis. new this morning, isis put out another propaganda video warning of a potential attack on new york city. in that video, which we're only going to show i a few still frames of, you see what appears to be an explosions ive device being put together. a man zipping up a jacket over possibly a suicide vest, and images of some of the city's most popular tourist destinations, including times square. boris sanchez is in times square for us. boris, city officials came out quickly to respond to this video, saying that the city is not going to be intimidated. but what extra security measures are they talking about or are you seeing there in light of the threat?
>> reporter: well, kate, so far this morning we've seen the standard police presence in times square, plus added tactical team that are heavily armed, patrolling, going around the area. we've seen several canine coming around, obviously, bomb-sniffing dogs. as you mentioned new york city officials yesterday saying new yorkers shouldn't be intimidate. they also say this isn't something that's new. new york has received its fair share of threats before, as well, if you recall in 2010, an attempted car bombing in times square. that nissan pathfinder that the detonator fizzled and ultimately didn't explode. so, while crews are being vigilant, they don't want new yorkers to be worried. in fact, they say it's better to go about your lives as usual. >> the people of new york city can rest assured that extraordinary efforts are being made every single day to keep them safe. this is the finest police force in this nation for 14 years since 9/11.
this police force has consistently protected the city against terrorist threats. and it will continue to do so. >> reporter: the other thing that's important to point out, not only are the threats against new york not new, but the video itself that was put out by isis yesterday, chunks of that, specifically the chunks showing that bomb going into someone's jacket, those are actually recycled from a previous isis video in which they made several threats. again, for new york city, it's not really something that's new, though as we've seen today, officers are being vigilant, kate. >> boris sanchez in times square for us, thank you so much. for more on this i want to bring in cnn national security analyst juliet. a former top official at the department of homeland security. so, you have this new threat. you also have this in light of -- right in the aftermath of these horrific attacks in paris, and you have city officials here in new york saying it's not new and they don't have any credible
threat they're tracking but they're going to be vigilant. but after these horrible paris attacks, if you're sitting at dhs right now, how seriously are you taking this video? >> i think you have to take it seriously, but recognize that there is no specific threat. it would be utter negligence not to take it seriously in light of what happened in paris. but i want to remind people what that means. what does it mean to take it seriously. part of it is you try to minimize the risk, so that's the intelligence sharing that we know is going on. sort of those, you know, the investigation the fbi said it's going to be more aggressive. you minimize the risk. you maximize the kind of protections that boris was just describing, the dogs, you know, having a physical presence. then you maintain a very rigorous response capability. you know, first responders. remember yesterday the head of the new york police department said, people need to be engaged. if you see something, notify police. you know, so there's three pieces to this response.
all of them working in tandem. and that's the smart thing to do. as i said, it would be negligence not to do it at this stage. >> juliette, one of the other important pieces of information in light of the paris attacks, the suspected ringleader, we've been told, was able to move really undetected in between syria and iraq and europe, ending up in paris, in france, without authorities knowing. it wasn't until days after the paris attack that french authorities were alerted that this ringleader was in france. could that -- kind of leads me to wonder, could that happen in the united states? could someone like abdelhamid abaaoud travel into the u.s. without u.s. knowing? >> probably not. i would say highly likely not. let me just explain the european rules and the border controls are just loose. that is part of what the european union is about.
and clearly one of the intelligence failures was the lack of real-time communication about who was going where. the challenge for france is they just had too many people going to syria. and what you're seeing now is france's presumption, is if you went to syria, you're bad news. so all of these sweeps are, you were in syria, we are going to assume you are bad news, which may be the smart thing to do. the united states does not have that problem. i mean, there are some foreign people who come -- who are from here, they go fight. we tend to know who they are. much more difficult for them to get back into the country. in terms of border controls, we know if someone went to turkey, say, and then goes missing for a couple months and then comes back. no system is perfect, but the likelihood of someone who is well known terrorist slipping through at this stage, through a lawful system, is pretty negligible. i certainly know after paris, everyone is on the lookout for those watch lists. >> do you think those watch lists, or the communication
around the people on those watch lists, are things changing after these paris attacks? >> oh, absolutely. look, any time there's an attack like this, the system, the security system, will ratchet up. there's no question about it. and it ought to in response to what we've learned about what happened in paris. and so that is what's happening on the department of homeland security side, but also on the state and local side. so, when i -- when you see more cops in new york or other major cities or maybe a response that seems sort of out of control or out of proportion as we might have seen in d.c. the other day, when someone committed suicide and the whole city shut down. that's just a natural reaction. it's hard to -- i don't want to excuse it, but it's somewhat of a natural reaction. things will mellow out, so to speak. we saw that after 9/11 as people learn and incorporate the lessons learned. but right now, it is the assumption by the fbi is that they are going to begin to look
at these people who might have traveled to syria, the immigration and travel controls are much stronger. and just, you know, i have to say this every time i'm on air, america's radicalization problem is a -- there are issues. we don't have an epidemic like france and england. i mean, what we're going to find out from what happened in france is that's their own citizens. so, to the extent we keep our heads here in the united states, we are embracing people, we are -- we are an open society, that may actually be a long-term security effort and a long-term security success, because we just -- we're not france and england and belgium right now. and that's good news. >> when you talk about lessons learned, it sure seems there are a lot of lessons still to be learned from these horrific attacks. thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up for us, it wasn't just paris. the ringleader behind one of the worst attacks against the west in recent history, he had other targets. what we're learning now about his other terror plot. ♪
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i'm john berman in paris. the breaking news from here. abdelhamid abaaoud is dead. he is the ringleader, the architect, the planner for the attacks last friday in this city that stole the lives of 129 people. he was killed in that daring raid in the paris suburb of saint-denis. in the shadow, literally, of one of the sites of the suicide attacks on friday, the stade de france, where three attackers blew themselves up as people were leaving that stadium. this man now dead in this attack yesterday. we also learned france learned of his presence here partly on a tip from morocco. morocco said he was here in paris, but critically, they only told french officials after the
attacks on friday. the attacks were friday. morocco informed france, we believe on monday. we to want talk about the implications, both the successes and failures in this intelligence operation. joining me now, cnn senior anchor and foreign correspondent christiane amanpour. cnn terror analyst, paul cruickshank. christiane, first of all, this is a stunning success of a terror operation, to take out the planner of these attacks days after they happened. >> very much so. and you remember all these last 72 hours, that name, that one name has really taken up all the oxygen as people were so keen to find this guy who they believe planned it. we've been speaking about him for a long, long time. we're not sure how big an operative in isis but he obviously had a big role in planning this. he's also known as a very vial, very vicious, very ugly personality, who grew up in a perfectly normal, normal
neighborhood, normal childhood, went to a catholic school, then got into trouble -- >> belgium. >> yeah. did the whole same profile. got on the other side of the law, drugs, violence. prison, radicalization, you know, terrorism. i mean, it is the equation. not only that, european going over there, coming back, slipping under the radar and committing this kind of war and mayhem. to be very frank with you, we together on the air more than 24 hours ago said, right after this raid, that actually my sources said they presumed abaaoud had been killed in the raid. but then it took forever to actually identify him. >> that's because the violence of the operation was so great, that all they had was body parts after it was all over to try to make that link. that's the success of this operation. they were able to get him very quickly. i want to talk about the failure right now, because he was here. this man who had been on the radar of the french and belgian intelligence services, not to mention the u.s. for a year, he
was in a department of homeland memo a year ago, this man got him back to france. morocco knew he was here but only told french officials three days after the attacks on friday. how do you explain that? >> i'm not sure i can explain that. what is striking in this instance and many others in these attacks the debate in france is about border control. it should be about intelligence sharing. intelligence sharing in this case, but also the fact the french that were led on sunday were actually permitted by the u.s. sharing intelligence with france. that alone followed the more important bombings than the one french have been able carried by themselves in early and september. i think the key thing here is trying to shift the debate to how we cooperate and the basis on an international basis. not just european basis. not just a transaction basis, but on a more international basis in terms of fight against terrorism. >> it needs to happen and it hasn't happened, paul. >> here's the crazy thing about
it. there's a thing called sharing information system where they put in watch listing. a country like france puts someone in the system and they are in an airport coming out of frankfurt, perhaps,ing ly off to turkey and then syria. and if they go through the airport, the only people that are warned is the french that put them in the system originally. not all the other european countries. that needs to change and that needs to change fast. you know what, there have been several plots and attempted attacks in europe where people have slipped through the cracks exactly because of that. there's been a sensitivity in europe because of national sovereignty of not sharing information. we have no choice in europe now but to change this. >> we were told officially today by the french that this man, abaaoud, had been connected to four of the last six attempted terror attacks inside paris. any -- or inside france. any sense on what they discovered and what he may be planning? what was inside that apartment. explosives, plans for the future. >> they had cache of gun says
abaaoud's cousin.omb on that's why they were so sure yesterday he was there because the female cousin was there. we played that audio, saying he's not my boyfriend. not saying, he's not here. they contained that situation with firepower, 5,000 bullets. they sprayed the whole place to make sure no one would get out alive. that's why they were pretty sure -- yesterday they were optimistic they would find he was killed. they did the fingerprinting. he had a criminal record in belgium. mangled body remains and it was quite difficult that's why it took some time to identify him. >> the question now is, what do we do going forward? i mean, france has invoked a european defense clause but people are asking and nato chiefs have been writing about it, will france invoke nato article 5. an attack on one is an attack aall of us. to that end, hillary clinton, a candidate for president, has given a speech in which she has called for much morrow bust
action, including some kind of a ground force. not an iraq style invasion, but some kind of a ground force to push them back from territory. and i was stunned. i spoke to the director of the grand mosque of paris today who is furious with this, outraged with this. he said they are -- their acts are magnified because they hold territory. he admitted america is reluctant after iraq, afghanistan. he said the only thing that can happen is for territory to be held and taken away from them. they have to be pushed out. that's from the grand mosque rector here in paris. >> to fight isis here, have you to fight isis in syria. thank you so much. there's also new video out today. terrifying video from inside one of the sites that was attacked here, the cafe. gunfire erupts outside the building. we can see as we have not seen before how it all unfolded. that coming up next.
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this is cnn special breaking news coverage. the mastermind of the attacks in paris is dead, killed during a raid in france. this as the debate over refugees escalates here in the united states. any minute now, the house is set to vote on tougher rules for syrian refugees who want to come into the united states. more than half of america's governors right now say they won't roll out the welcome mat for them at this point. joining me to discuss all of this, a lot of new developments to discuss, lindsey graham, key member of the senate armed services committee. thank you for coming in.
your reaction to the news coming out that this ringleader, the suspected ringleader, he was killed. a huge success. >> yeah good, but there's somebody that will take his place. bin laden's dead. al qaeda is not decimated. you could kill baghdadi tomorrow. you're not going to secure this nation by killing individual terrorists. if i was president of the united states, i would create a regional army. 90% them, 10% us and our western allies would go. in on the ground and take the caliphate away from isil and take raqqah and every other city they have. >> you have a plan on what you've laid and you're firm in what you believe. hillary clinton just laid out her strategy against isis. she spoke for quite a while. she goal it is not to contain isis. she supports a no-fly zone in syria. she still does not -- she still
does not want american troops on the ground there. >> she doesn't understand the threat to our homeland. she's not prepared to be commander in chief. and no one on the republican side is ready to be commander in chief if you don't understand that we need an american ground force increased in numbers in iraq, an american ground forces, part of a regional army, to go into syria tomorrow if we could, to destroy raqqah -- isil in syria before they hit us here. we're going to fight them in their backyard or they'll fight us in our backyard. >> how do you do it tomorrow? even if you say you want 10%. 10 sthou american troops -- >> you literally -- >> that means you need 90,000 -- >> you have to put it together quickly. >> can you get 90,000 troops from your arab partners, other -- >> the american leadership can. what i'm saying is i have a construct that goes as follows. the region should lead this effort. their threat by isil, unlike threatened by saddam and the taliban. they're ready to go because isil will cut their heads off.
they're not going without us. what i've been saying is you need a large, regional army to supplement the air campaign. to hillary clinton and everyone else, if you think we can do this without american boots on the ground, you really don't understand what it takes to win. and if we don't hit them soon, they're going to hit us here. no, we can't go in tomorrow. as president of the united states announced tonight, i'm going to form a regional army and there will be american boots on the ground part of it, up to 10,000, and if we need more, we'll send more. my goal is to hit them, destroy them before they attack our homeland. >> you say hit them before we attack the homeland. the new video isis put out, threatening new york city, another video earlier threatening washington, d.c. we keep hearing from authorities, there are no credible, specific threats to the homeland right now. how confident are you of that assessment? >> do you think they would have said there was any credible threats to paris the day before? zero confidence. there's more terrorist organizations, not just isil,
with the capability to strike the american homeland than any time since 9/11. our poor fbi agents are under siege. there are too many people to track and we're cutting their budget. congress has reduced defense and intelligent capability through budget cuts. this president's strategy is not working. he will never adjust until something dramatic happens. and i thought paris would be a wake-up call for president obama. he's doubling down on a failing strategy. and hillary clinton goes up to the edge, but she won't cross over. people on my side are now echoing what i've been saying for two years. they don't understand why you need american boots on the ground. you need american boots on the ground to ensure isil is destroyed. it's not all us, but we're an essential part of us. france is ready to go. i'm asking my president to be as bold as the french president. president obama is delusional about the threat we face as national security team has failed on all fronts. he should fire them all. valley jarrett, susan rice and john kerry should be replaced
because they're weak in the eyes of our enemies and unreliable in the eyes of our friends. if the president doesn't dramatically change his approach to isil, we'll be hit here. >> he's not going to dramatically change his approach to isil. >> no, he won't. >> so, you're really projecting we're going -- >> i'm just as sure as we're sitting here, if president obama doesn't disrupt isil on the ground in syria and iraq, they're coming here. i really believe that. i wouldn't be saying it if i didn't believe it. because sending a soldier over there is not something a casually do. but i do believe without our soldiers over there, they're coming here. >> let me ask you about the other fight that is happening here, that is the fallout from these attacks. >> refugees. >> the refugees. so, you've called for a pause. >> time-out. >> you've called for a time-out, also known as a pause n allowing refugees in. the house is going to be voting on a measure to have stricter standards for allowing them in. do you support that? >> yes. after paris, we need a time-out to make sure we're vetting -- >> but they're not even saying a time-out in what the house is
voting for. they're getting assurances from dhs. >> i think it's smart for us to make sure our vetting program works after paris. here's what's not smart. to think you're going to make america safe by dealing with the refugee problem alone. there are a lot of republicans who want to focus just on refugees. where are these republicans when it comes to my plan? i understand the reason to pause the refugee situation. but it's a symptom of a failed strategy. would these same republicans, would ted cruz support american boots on the ground as long as it takes to destroy isil as part of a regional army? or is he just about refugees? >> let me ask you this, and i want to ask the same of all the republican presidential candidates, i've asked this of the governors, too. you previously had said you think this is part of american values, to allow refugees in. >> still do. >> that was of course, pre-paris. refugees from syria have already been coming into the united states. >> they have. >> they're already here. are you concerned about the folks that are already here?
>> you know what i'm concerned most about, isil growing stronger and us not hitting them in syria. i'm concerned that this debate about refugees is taking our eye off the ball. the only way to make america safe is to -- >> are you saying republicans are wrong and misguided in leading this kind of march -- >> i'm saying that it's good to put a pause on refugees. it makes sense. what's not good is to sell to the american people that makes it safe. what i want to hear from my party is a strategy, like lindhcy graham has, to destroy isil. this is a symptom of the problem. it's no substitute for going on the ground and hitting isil where they reside. they're 30,000 to 40,000 of these people inside syria. it's a small terrorist army. actually, fairly large. they're not ten feet tall and not the jv team. for those who talk about lending refugees and looking at a new system, you're absolutely right. here's the question for you. would you support my resolution to say that whatever it takes as long as it takes to destroy isil, to do for isil what we did
for al qaeda, that there's no geographicical limits, no time limit, and whatever means is necessary would be used by the united states to go after isil. if you're not willing to do that, then you don't understand the threat. the threat is more than refugees. >> that's the proposal you're putting forth are going further than -- >> just like we did with al qaeda. >> we'll see if it makes any progress in congress. senator, great to see you. thank you for your time. a raid right now is under way at the home of the mother of the woman who blew herself up in that raid in paris, that killed the mastermind of the attack. we'll go back live to paris next. stay with us. people don't have to think about
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all right, breaking news out of paris right now. i'm john berman. we're just getting word of a raid on the outskirts of the city right now. at the home of the mother of the woman who died in the raid yesterday in saint-denis. the woman believed to be connected to abdelhamid abaaoud. the woman who either blew herself up or was killed in an explosion. a raid at her mother's house now. that is the method here, they typically check out the families of people believed to be connected to terror so that raid happening now. also right now, we're getting our first look at video and sound of the raid itself. where this woman appeared to blow herself up and have a discussion with the people doing the raid. let's play that so you can see it.
[ gunfire ] >> all right. that audio obviously police asking her where's your boyfriend, believed to be abdelhamid abaaoud. she says, he's not my boyfriend. then the explosion. did she set off a suicide belt? that she was wearing? some other kind of explosive device? we don't know. the raid right now at the home of her mother. also today, we got our first look at some other new distu disturbing video from inside one of the paris restaurants that was attacked friday night. this video from the daily mail.com. you can see the force of the gunfire, the gunshots bouncing off the walls there. a woman running in, wounded. other people, ducking for cover where they can. right there, you can see by the window the gunman himself. pointing his gun at someone
right there. the gun at that point did not go off, sparing the life of that woman you see getting up and running away. this video awfully hard to see nearly a week after these attacks. joined here in paris, watching this video with me is cnn contributor and columnist for "the financial times" simon cooper. simon was in the football stadium, the soccer stadium, the stade de france during the game where the suicide attackers blew themselves up outside. simon actually heard one of the explosions when he was inside. as you watch this video this chilling video with me right now, i wonderwhat your reaction is. >> my reaction is somebody who has to live here and wants to live here, is i don't want to know too much. i don't want to see too much. i don't want to relive this endlessly. the way for us to live happily and without fear in paris is to think about normal life. >> you are at the stadium, you live near the bataclan, that concert hall where so many people were killed. you went home to your children that night. you walked your kids to school today.
is paris recovering? >> i think we don't know yet. we're very confused. i walked my children to school today. they were telling me what suicide bombers believe. these elementary schoolchildren. they were saying suicide bombers don't like the things other people like and they think if they kill lots people they'll go to paradise but that's not true. it's not a conversation i really expected to have with children. >> final question. the success in the raid, killing abdelhamid abaaoud, but also questions about intelligence failures leading up to this attack. >> why was this guy still at large? we've known about him. he was implicated in the raids in belgium in 2015, in january, when they were planning a big terror attack in belgians. the belgians asked the greeks to arrest him. he was in a safe house. he got out of greece. this was a huge error. this cannot be allowed to happen. the foreign fighters, the guys
that go back and forth to syria, those are the main risks. we need to find these guys. coordination between european intelligence agencies and the u.s. is terrible. >> it's not just a french issue and an american issue, it's an issue all over right now, wondering what they have to fix. simon, thank you. that is all for us in paris. i'm john berman. our coverage of the attacks here in paris continues right after a short break. what if one piece of kale could protect you from diabetes?
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