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happened. >> john one told me he's proud his art is on a plane, something he says is the physical tangible proof that french values touchdown tris around the world. thanks so much for joining us. our coverage tonights with "ac 360." good evening live from paris tonight, another day of major developments here across europe and around the world, as well as back in the united states. the leader of the paris swat team that went into the bataclan with only this shield and their training to protect them is speaking out, talking about what he saw inside what he calls hell on earth. also as the planner of last week's massacre is confirmed dead blown to bits, another killer remains on the run and the search for him is extended to the netherlands and a security forces round people up here, belgium and elsewhere, a possible new threat surfaces against rome and targets in the united states. back home lawmakers vote to all but stop the threat of refugees that will be able to come to the country and fbi director has
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news on how many americans are leaving the country to fight for isis. sounds hopeful at first but could be the opposite. we'll explore those angles and more over the next two hours. we begin with confirmation the alleged planner of the mass murderer last week did in fact die in yesterday's raid outside the city. details on that, the on going manhunt and the latest from jim sciut sciutto. >> reporter: tonight an urgent manhunt is underway across europe as police continue to search for at least one suspected attacker still at large and still dangerous. salah abdeslam briefly stopped by french police hours after the attacks but let go before authorities knew of his role in friday's deadly rampage. six new raids in belgium overnight and hundreds more here in france in recent days have failed to catch him. >> translator: the republic is doing everything to destroy
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terrori terrorism. >> reporter: french security services have netted perhaps the most dangerous suspect, abdelhamid abaqoud, the alleged mastermind confirmed killed in a furious gun battle with police wednesday. >> translator: in the operation there was a target and it was reached. >> reporter: and tonight, we're seeing chilling new video of this raid, just moments before police killed abaaoud. france is working feverishly to prevent scenes like this one captured, of tbtained by daily one woman saved because the terrorist assault rifle appears to jam. today french lawmakers voted to extend the country's state of emergency giving police broad new powers to detain suspects. >> translator: we are at war and for us to remain ourselves because that is what is in question, france must not lose itself to win this war. france must respond to hatred
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with fraternity. france will respond to fa gnat sis m with the hope of life itself. >> reporter: jim sciutto joins me now here at the plaza dela republic. >> each thing they are doing, small clues turned out to have big results. the phone discovered at the scene of the attacks helped lead them to that apartment that led them to another apartment. some of these raids raid to have them look at the netherlands as a place where this missing bomber could be, so they are finding new connections each time. the key target of this is of course to find that missing bomber. they haven't been able to do that yet but part of the process so to look back at things they knew in the past that added significance. one of those today is the idea that this plan to attack a concert hall here actually originated with another attacker several months before who was
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arrested and it's interesting, of course, so at that time they didn't know that that plot would be active. so on friday, different footing right now. the clues in the past that didn't seem important or consequential or needing to be acted on today, they are acting on all of then today and only some of them will bear fruit but their attitude now is we won't take chances. >> and they voted to extend emergency powers that gives them greater leeway in terms of resting people, searching people. >> to literally arrest and ask questions later. >> jim, thanks very much. the paris swat commander revealing what he and his team were up against and what they saw as they stormed the bataclan where nearly 90 people lost their lives. going by jeremy and wearing a cloth to conceal his identity. he spoke tonight with lester holt. >> we took position at the enter of the theater and then we discover like a hell on earth. i mean, more than maybe seven,
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8,000 people lay on the floor. >> seven to 800? >> yeah, tons of blood everywhere. nobody was screaming. in the last door, we approach the door and suddenly one of the terrorists, on the stage ask us to go backward so i tried to speak with them and he told me he want to negotiate. so i said okay, give me a phone number. as soon as we open the door, one of the terrorists shot like between 25 to 30 rounds of ak-47 bullet. >> that's these holes? >> exactly. immediately, again in the middle of the group get hit in the hand so i fell down because of the pain -- >> one of your officers did? >> yeah. in the middle of the group. first thing we saw the guy shooting and a lot of maybe 20 feet between the shooter and us. we cannot shoot at that time because too -- it was too risky
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for the hostage. at the end of the hallway, we found two terrorists like a dead end for them and the first one blew himself with the explosive jacket. the other try to do the same but got shot by the officers. >> they were both wearing suicide vests. >> exactly. >> and one went off. >> yeah, blood everywhere. for us, it was so intense the assault, the bullets, the explosion, all that stuff, we still very focused on what we did to be honest and maybe half an hour after we saw what, all the environment and at first, it was very, very tough. we stuck together. we come back to the office and stay together until 7:00 in the morning and maybe there going to be trouble for some of us in the next weeks or something, but for now, so far it's still okay. >> but you saved a lot of lives.
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>> i think so. >> remarkable. jeremy on "nbc nightly news", again with me cnn international correspondent clarissa ward and paul cruickshank. it's neat to hear from that commando. it is hard to imagine what it was like for them and the hostages. >> the syrian war came to paris. we know several attackers who were there presumably went to syria, came back, learned how to sort of kill people essentially and they had firepower and suicide vests and negotiations but really just fake negotiations, fake demands because they wanted to extend the time so they could kill as many people as possible. >> it's interesting because i talked to law enforcement officials in the united states that said the same thing, one of the things they learned that, you know, it used to be people take hostagesnegotiations, thes
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people take hostages to extend the time to extend the media coverage or the time they can remain in the building and potentially kill people, that the whole notion of taking hostages and negotiating for hostages, that's pretty much done with them. >> there are no demands. these are acts of sheer violence. the same thing in beirut with the massive suicide bombings that killed 40 people. there were no demands or you must do this or that. it was simply we're going to keep killing you. >> the good news, paul, is the death of alleged ringleader of this blown up, killed or i should say in this police raid in the apartments this guy may have gone to the netherlands. this is the eighth terrorist and
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there is a nine person in the vehicle with him. >> absolutely right. they have no idea where salah abdeslam is. his last known location. 9:00 in the morning on a saturday where this was a police stop coming towards the belgium border from france but let him carry on. they arrested his other two companions in the car but concern there is one other person, concern, as well, there could be a third attack team out there. so they are chasing every last piece of evidence they have that they were trying to interrogate the suspects they have and want to know if there is something coming down the pipeline. i think they already know that there is something coming down the pipeline because the wider network is based in syria. half a dozen french and belgium operatives that climbed up the hierarchy and still there. one was ten years older than abaaoud and they were trying to recruit youngsters and sending them back quickly after one or two weeks.
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>> you said he had actually been talking about attacking the bataclan years ago. >> that's absolutely right. 2009 he got involved in a plot to attack the bataclan concert hall at that time and because, you know, he saw it as a target because it had jewish owners at that time and just until a few weeks ago and so it's possible that fabien clan. >> clarissa, just after 9/11 in the united states there were big changes in how the intelligence community in the united states and fbi shared information. it seems like this event has got to spark the same kind of reappraisal of cooperation between intelligence agencies in europe. it doesn't seem like there is sharing between these countries. >> there isn't. >> the fact this this ring leader could get from syria back into eventually come to france
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with nobody here in france realizing it until they were told by a foreign intelligence service. >> this is exactly it, anderson, and i spoke to a former, very senior former intelligence officer and said was this a failure because it has hallmarks of a failure. he said it's not a failure because what we were trying to do is impossible. you can't monitor people, return from syria if you don't know when they are returning or where they are returning to, if you don't have the different countries in europe which once again to reiterate have pourous open borders you can't monitor them. we heard president hollande come out and say by the end of the year, there has to be a cross continental sharing of passenger information network and that has to happen. >> we'll talk to them throughout the next two hours. just ahead, the trail that led to the terror hideout and what we're learning about the woman who blew herself up. she's being called europe's first female suicide bomber.
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almost immediately after we learned the man police believed planned and organized the terror attacks here was himself dead. in this case robertson learning how security forces found him in that apartment. we heard the other day there was phone wiretaps from french authorities that led them to the apartment. today we learned that wasn't all. nic robertson is here for that. how did they track this ringleader? >> you know, obviously, ringleader abaaoud, it was moracan intelligence that said he was on french territory. >> they didn't realize. >> they thought he was still inside syria, not back into europe and that he was here. it was that tip and that tip came three days after the attack so two days before the raids. so this then precipitated the telephone wiretaps on the cousin. they knew he must be around. which is interesting if you think about it, that was about the time we began to get the
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information that he might be connected to the attacks so we, the journalists here in france, everywhere were flooding the zone with pictures of him. that would have been helpful for the french police because obviously by then they know he is here, they don't know he is here but his picture is everywhere so would have made the harder for him to move around. we don't know that this is where we -- the information came to us. >> but is it -- >> so i think it will help in that picture because it meant he couldn't move around. >> what i don't understand is how does a guy whose wanted by belgium authorities known to have planned a number of other attacks whose been in syria, how does he get back in to europe? i mean, we know europe has po pourous borders but to enter a european country, i had to show my passport to get in the airport. how weak is the border control? >> it was appears he was able to get away from belgium earlier
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this year after the attack. >> and he bragged about that in an isis publication. >> this is what -- if we go back to al qaeda's play back and what we learned about what they do in the training camps in afghanistan, they form networks. the networks endured so when they would come back as he's come back and isis, they had those networks of trusts established when they are there in iraq and syria. so they will have presumably now we can see safe houses along the route and plus the criminal element. i was -- not to make a long story too long, but it is complicated. i was in kabul a few weeks ago. it's a matter of money. isis has money, $20,000 can get you from kabul into germany almost legally. fake passports, fake visas, it can be done. >> fascinating. we're learning more about the woman who blew herself up at the hideout and also have a
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clear picture of her final moment alive. this is a newly released photo. she was 26. the ringleaders be come radicalized. whatever led to her transformation ended yesterday morning. a camera capturing her final confrontation with police. [speaking foreign languag [speaking foreign language]. [ gunshots ]. >> the video from a clear vantage point surfaced tonight on abc news, the camera looking at the terror apartment as the suicide vest went off. more on this woman and other women that decide to become deadly weapons. it's happened a number of times before, this is believed to be the first time in europe today
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spain's interior minister said the dead isis ringleader had been in spain with a particular interest in recruiting women. mark hertling confronted a string of suicide bombers. i spoke to him just before the broadcast with mia bloom who is a professional communication and author of "bombshell, the many faces of women terrorists." general hertling, while you were serving in iraq you witnessed someone detonate a suicide device. >> i did, anderson. and also had several of my soldiers have the same experience and that's something you never want to go through. i'm sure the french police and the french commando unit in that building when this young woman detonated her device will remember that moment because it is pretty traumatic. >> mia, you've looked very closely at the phenomenon of female suicide bombers. do you find they are usually related or the wives of jihads
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because we believe this woman was the cousin of the ringleader. >> you know, we've seen so many brother and sister teams carrying out suicide attacks and in fact, when i looked at the women involved in terrorism, islamic, non-islamic groups, suicide bombers and register rorests, the best predictor was being related to someone already in the group. >> so why do you think that is? just as a lot of these networks to people who have prior relationships, just that you reach out to the people you know. >> part of it also a fantastic vetting mechanism for the terrorist organizations. they are always worried about being infiltrated. if someone is related to an existing member, they feel that they are more trustworthy. this is something that we see it's all in the family. >> i'd add that we broke, actually broke a female suicide vest cell in iraq in may of 2008
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and what we found after a month of 19 -- >> in dealia province. >> it was. 19 different female suicide vests exploding in the region, i won't go into the details but we were able to actually capture one of the young women, a 14-year-old that p happened to a bride of a terrorists. she was taken forcibly as a bride, 14 years old and when her terrorist husband was killed, the cultural norms say you have nothing right now. you've been married to a terrorist. you're an out cast from society and tainted as a woman because you lived with a man so there is not much left for you in this world. and so the spiritual advisors of some terrorists groups will go to them and say why not take the easy way out and go to heaven and take a few infideliideli in
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you? it is a last resort for sole women. >> is this the first suicide bomber used in europe by isis and if so, is it a sign of things to come? >> it's certainly isis' first female suicide bomber. up until now, isis is very clear the role for women is cooking, cleaning and child care. they do not have women on the front lines but one of the things that we found in the isis chat rooms in october was that there was a statement what conditions were women allowed to fight? they weren't allowed to fight with brigades because they couldn't mix with men but if someone entered your home, you can defend yourselves and use a suicide belt to blow up without anyone's permission and this is something very different for isis. whether it's a game changer is really going to depend on what
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the is the reaction? are they going to celebrate this woman or going to say we really don't approve? we prefer our women at home under the vail cooking, cleaning and giving birth to little ones. >> there is new information about the preference of western women from the jihadi groups. >> you know, it's really interesting, anna pretended to be a very young convert to islam and engaged on the internet pretending to be this really young girl and he revealed to her at some point that a lot of the jihadis of isis prefer western women because he said the syrian women were uppity and it was the western women that knew how to please a man and she found this shocking that a man who is supposed to be religious actually asked her to wear victoria secret underwear and talk about really sketchy things online or skype. but yeah, that is in fact the
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rumor that syrian women are not as accommodating. >> mia bloom, thank you. >> thanks for having us. >> thank you, anderson. just ahead tonight, new threats from isis, the cities they say they want to strike next plus what new york is doing to keep the city safe. i'll talk to the counterterrorism chief, chief waters, we'll be right back. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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isis released a video today, this one threatening more attacks on washington and rome. yesterday another video singled out new york of course as you probably know isis issued a string of threats. justice reporter evan perez has new information plus details from an off camera briefing that james comey gave. >> anderson, as much as isis is a terrorist group, they love doing propaganda and taking their moment in the sun right now just to make sure that people you believed the threat that they pose, especially to western countries and so that's what we're seeing with videos. the fbi is looking at them, a lot of them are recycled images, videos they used before and know
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everyone is watching and the world's media is there in paris looking for what they are possibly might come next and that's what they are trying to do, ramping up fear. the fbi doesn't believe there is specific credible intelligence it's coming from these videos that indicates a threat is coming to the united states or perhaps italy or any of the number of countries mentioned but it is something that obviously makes them have to redouble efforts to try to prevent further attacks. >> what about fbi efforts monitoring in the united states? >> they noticed the number of people trying to travel overseas, anderson, to join isis in syria is down. it's about six over three-month period. the question that the fbi director was asking today are we doing a better job of getting the message across you shouldn't go or more worrisomworrisome, pe
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heeding the word of isis to stay at home and kill at home and that's the very powerful message they broadcast through social media. they are monitoring dozens that are more likely to carry out copy cat attacks in the united states. that's the big concern. that's been happening since the paris attacks, anderson. >> is there any information about how many people are being looked at or monitored in the united states? >> well, there are dozens, there are 900 total investigations around the country, all 50 and vast majority are isis. what we're told in this pen and pad briefing with reporters is that since the paris attacks, they have ramped up monitoring and making sure they keep an eye on the ones high priority and that number is in the dozens. >> and i mean, there is this
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notion and it is a big if, is it -- are fewer going because they don't want to go or staying inside the united states? is there any way for the fbi to figure that out? or are they not sure? >> they are not sure. the one thing the fbi did do, that attempted attack on the prophey muhammad drawing contest in garland, texas squacared the because it showed you can have people you're aware of and when you don't know when they might go from flash to bang, in other words, from consuming isis propaganda to carry out an attack scared them and ramped up the number of people they are monitoring and had dozens of cases arrests of people, even people who did not commit, they didn't have enough evidence of terrorism, they locked them up for various things including just lying to the fbi. the concern was we just need to get these people off the streets.
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we cannot take a chance that they might do something while we're watching them. >> evan, appreciate the reporting. bracing for the holiday season and draws huge numbers of to tourists to the city. new york, of course, long been a top target for terrorists. this is nothing new. james waters, i spoke to him just before we went on air. chief waters, let's talk about the threat. a lot of video teams are rehashed or recycled. is this anything new this threat, is it a real concern? >> we take this information very seriously, anderson, as you know but this looks like a cut and paste job. there is nothing new in the information and as i have said before, our operating premises is we areare the target and tim
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square is one of the targets. >> you know, one of the things that new york has been doing besides training police officers to be able to respond to active shooters, you have very heavily articled teams which i'm not speaking out of school, these are very visible throughout the city and show up in different locations, you never really know where they are going to be. can you explain the thinking behind that? >> so what we have, anderson, is the emergency service unit, highly-trained officers that are stationed throughout the city. they respond to a number of incidents, active shooter would be one. more verecently, we changed our deployment and critical response vehicles of the counterterrorism burro and turned it into a critical response command, a permanent command of 500 plus officers will be getting specialized training in
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counterterrorism. on monday we turned out the four to 12 tour and they are actually getting two weeks of training. the day squad is now undergoing that two weeks of training and they will be deployed in about a week and a half and these officers are trained in a number of different counterterrorism programs and active shooter is at the top of the list. >> so the idea is, i mean, in many cities throughout the world, they have to wait a long time for tactical units, swat teams to show up. the idea in new york i'm assuming is that there are these roving teams already in the city ready to respond and response time then is reduced. >> exactly. with a critical response time, these officers fully trained and have all weapons as we are in the progress of doing that, and the process of doing that, they will be stationed throughout the city. they will be in the manhattan area on patrol and if the need were to arise, they would
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respond, don heavy vests and eloquent h helmets and proceed into and move to the shooter and neutralize the threat. >> because one of the things i know in mumbai in 2008, the pakistan terrorists, i believe ten of them not only did they hit multiple locations but put bombs or ieds in taxi cabs that drove off and the idea they would explode and not only cause damage but draw law enforcement where the explosions were and away from the actual intended target so it was actually a diversion. >> right. we study that and train to those diversions. we do table top exercises and full field exercises where we take the tack tactics and make a part of the scenarios as we do these drills. so that the officers become
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aware and train them to address them. >> chief waters, always good to talk to you. appreciate it, sir. >> thank you. there is new video of the one of the paris attacks inside a cafe captured the terrifying moments. customers, employees scrambling to take cover and inside the bataclan theater attack, a young people talks how they managed to walk away alive and what was going through their minds as the carnage was unfolding. happy. in love. and saving so much money on their car insurance by switching to geico... well, just look at this setting. do you have the ring? oh, helzberg diamonds. another beautiful setting. i'm not crying. i've just got a bit of sand in my eyes, that's all. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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it's been six days since isis struck paris and the difficult work of identifying the dead, 129 innocent souls has finally become pleat. those who survived the attacks have been sharing stories, filling in the horrific details. tonight, though, we can actually show you what words alone can't convey, a target, a cafe had several surveillance cameras that recorded the nightmare as it unfolded, just after 10:34 p.m., bullets fired into a cafe in the 11st district in paris. three angles of the security
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cameras captured the mayhem. patrons scramble as bullets riddle the restaurant. a woman dashes in and takes refuge behind the bar, another dives for the floor, others huddle under tables. behind the bar two workers dodge bullets as glass shatters. one runs down stairs, the other stays put and another patron from outside joins her and both stay as close to the floor as possible. within secs one terrorists is visible seen on the upper left side of the screen. he approaches the cafe continuing to fire, small whisps of smoke seen coming off the rifle. this moment stands out, the gunman runs toward thes cafe seemingly ready to enter and stops and looks down to his right. it's obvious something caught his eye. he points his rifle straight down but the gun doesn't fire. maybe it jams, maybe he's out of ammunition. he then moves away off camera. seconds later, we learn what he was aiming at, he was aiming at
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a woman. she was miraculously spared. she stands up, then runs. her would be shooter is still somewhere nearby. then another patron, another likely victim stands and runs, as well. the attack ends ooze quickly as it began, all told, the video lasts less than a minute. less than a minute must have felt like an eternity for everyone inside the cafe. survivors have been sharing stories including a young couple we started talking to last night. they were at the bataclan theater where the death toll was the highest, it was packed for a rock concert. 89 people were murdered. isabelle survived by laying dead and he hid in a bathroom, they were separated before the attack began. as the massacre unfolded, neither knew if the other was alive. here is more of my interview with them. everyone tries to imagine what
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they would do in a situation like this when -- were you thinking different things in your mind of what to do? was going through your mind? >> complete shock. i think that's the first thing. i couldn't believe it. i couldn't believe this was happening. >> didn't seem real? >> didn't seem real. i had to stay calm. i thought about my family. i thought about my friends. >> you were reliving moments with your family, with your friends? >> yeah. yeah. and picturing their faces and saying, this is the only thing i did. i said out loud i love you. i didn't say their names, i just pictured their face and said i love you. i whispered. >> were you afraid they would see you saying i love you? >> my face was towards the ground when i said it. i at this point, i was so
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prepared to die, so expecting to die, it was such a long attack that i don't think anyone thought they were getting out of there alive. >> when you were laying down, what did you see? were you looking down? were you -- >> i was in the fatal -- fetal position and a man trying to protect me, protect my body, i still don't know if he's alive. i don't know if he made it. when we left, i don't remember. he was the kindest man. he spoke to me in english and reassured me. he said everything was going to be fine. he moved his body to try to protect me, to try and save my life when his was so much in danger. and the whole time he said don't
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run, just stay, and those words saved my life because the people who ran were shot. >> at any point, did they actually try to take hostages? i mean -- [speaking foreign language]. [speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language]
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[speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language]. >> as he is saying is that the tragedy here is that so many people our age were killed in that attack, so many people won't get to live their lives, just really started. [speaking foreign language]
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[speaking foreign languag [speaking foreign language]. >> is there anything else you want people to know, that you want to say to people? >> i want to say thank you to everyone who supported me through, us through this horrible time, and i'm so grateful to be alive but so many people didn't and that's what we need to remember, to remember the victims. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> very lucky to be alive and very strong. still ahead, the little boy and his father seen at the
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you a moving moment between a father and son. it happened behind me here. like so many parents here, he was forced to have a very difficult conversation trying to explain last week's attacks to his 6-year-old son brandon. they were standing at the memorial close by here when the father tried to convey an important message that bad guys are out there but don't be afraid because good will prevail. i sat down with the father and son to ask how brandon is dealing with the bad guys but first, let's look at the original video striking a chord across the world. [speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language]
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[speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language]. >> that video has been shared more than 50 million times since being posted on facebook this
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week. just a little while ago i checked in with brandon to find out how he's doing. what kind of flowers do you like? do you like pink ones or white ones? yellow? >> i love blue one. >> blue ones? ahhh. did you -- were there lots of candles, also? >> yeah. >> yeah? did you understand what -- why people were there? >> yeah. >> yeah? [speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language].
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>> a lot of families in france and throughout the region who are trying to have that same conversation with their kids, trying to explain to them something that doesn't make any sense at all. my full interview with brandon and his father will air tomorrow night on "360". woken by gunfire in the middle of the night, details what it was like inside the apartment building where the terror raid took place and a neighbor shares their fear of when police stormed the building. ono off-days, or downtime.ason. opportunity is everything you make of it. this winter, take advantage of our season's best offers on the
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