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well, it's early morning here in paris. there are late new developments on the story here and repercussions across europe and around the world what took place on friday and what has taken police since then. the search for one fugitive terrorists and details how authorities located the ringleader confirmed dead and paris swat commander that led
his team into a wall of ak-47 fire. he's telling his story. there is that and isis threats and a sobering assessment of dangers inside the united states from the director of the fbi in the hour ahead. we begin with the ringleaders' take down in the raid outside the city. nic robertson joins us now with that. today authorities really identified this guy. what have we learned about the raid itself and what it means for the large r manhunt? >> it took them 24 hours to identify him, identifying his remains that his body was impacted many times, not clear if it was just by bullets or his cousin exploding her suicide vest or whether he had explosives, as well. we know now he's connected to jihadists inside france. they will go after them. they say he played a decisive role in the attack last friday. they are also saying that he has been connected to four out of six failed terror plots here in france and that is since spring
alone. this is a man authorities believe and are saying clearly had a significant role. what is surprising is they thought he was in syria yet here he is in france. >> incredible development and big surprise to french intelligence. the female suicide bomber believed to be the first suicide bomber in europe, what do we know about her? >> hasna aitboulahcen, they say until recently she wasn't radical and never opened the koran. this was a girl that likeed to go to parties, have fun, drink until about a month or so ago. her brothers are quoted as saying they had sort of given up on her and told her to smarten up her lifestyle, they had problems with her. it's the tapping of her phone that appears to have led police to the raid. so that regard, it appears she was getting very, very close to her cousin, closer to radicalization. >> amazing that she had only
been radicalized for a month or two and probably never had time to even look at the koran if she was ever motivated to do that. obviously, it's good news for everybody in france that this ringleader is dead and that he's been taken out. but the larger network is out there. >> the larger network is out there and government debated emergency laws -- >> they decided to extend them for three more month. >> and this will allow them to follow up leads more quickly and go from one apartment to another and put people in a more permanent house arrest in the meantime. so these are stronger powers but it appears from what we're being told they are going to need them because of the associations that this man had and the revelation that he came back into this country without being picked up by authorities. not only looking for the people they know are connected with him but have to realize that some of the other significant figures they had been aware of they
think are in syria may not be and may be here. >> that's troubling. in just a moment, i want to take a look at the raid on the bataclan as seen through the eyes of the man who actually led it. he run as swat team here and spoke to nbc news' lester holt. >> we took position at the entrance of the theater and we discover like a hell on earth. i mean, more than maybe 7, 8,000 people on the floor. >> seven to 800? >> yeah. lay on the floor. tons of blood. no screaming. we approach the door and terrorist on the stage, we don't know, ask us to go backward so i tried to speak with them and he told me that he want to negotiate. so i said okay, give me a phone number. as soon as we open the door, the terrorists, one of the terrorists shot like between 25 to 30 rounds of ak-47 bullets.
so -- >> that's it. that's these -- >> exactly. immediately again in the middle of the group get hit in the hand so fell down because of the pain -- >> one of your officers was hit? >> yeah, in the middle of the group. first thing we saw that the guy shooting and a lot of maybe 20 hostages between the shooter and us. we couldn't shoot at that time. it was too risky for the hog tast -- hostage. the first one blew himself with the explosive jacket. and the other try to do the same but get shot. >> they were both wearing suicide vests. >> exactly. >> and one of them went off. >> yes, blood everywhere. for us, it was so intense, the assault, the bullets, the explosion, all that stuff still very focused on what we did to be honest and maybe half an hour
after we saw what the environment and very, very tough. we stayed together. we come back to the office and spoke together until maybe 7:00 in the morning and maybe going to be some trouble for some of us in the next weeks or something but for now, so far, it's still okay. >> but you saved a lot of lives. >> i think so. >> no doubt about that. a friday night he says he is still struggling to come to grips with. more now on the wednesday morning raid that follow and likely prevented another mass casualty. the terror take down, clarissa ward has one neighbor's story, take a look. >> translator: i turned on the light and the police were right there. they told me turn the light off, close the window and close the curtains. >> reporter: this is what 30-year-old koreen woke up to
when police stormed the building where she lives. she had no idea abdelhamid abaqoud, the mastermind of the paris attacks was just two floors above. >> translator: there were police everywhere. every floor, every place, we didn't know why. we were in a panic and we stayed there until 5:00 a.m., two hours in the apartment in a small hallway. me and my friend and her three kids. >> reporter: she told us how the walls were shaking with the force of the blasts. she was convinced she was going to die. >> translator: we saw nothing but death. for the kids, it was so horrible. it was like a nightmare. >> reporter: were they crying, i asked? >> translator: yes, they were screaming and crying. the little one who is 5 years old, the little boy asked his mom are we going to die? it was horrifying. >> reporter: after two agonizing hours they were finally
evacuated by police. >> translator: we're in shock. >> incredible. clarissa ward joins us and christiane amanpour and nic robertson is here, as well. did she have any idea these guys were in this building, the ringleader was in the building? >> that's what i asked. did you ever see abaaoud or did you have a sense what was going on? she said i would never have noticed because anderson, this isn't the kind of neighborhood where you look at other people. this is the kind of neighbor had where you keep your head down and mind your own business and that's exactly why it's such an attractive target for someone like abaaoud to hunker down. no one there is going to report him. >> christiane, there is still so much we do not know. we don't know how long they were there for and they were under surveillance for about 24 hours. you've been talking to a lot of people about this cell and about the larger investigation, as
well. >> particularly to the chairman because the news is so many people went out and came back. and that is the big, big threat obviously as we've been reporting and, you know, if you look at their profiles, you've been talking about the woman suicide bomber. the first ever in europe. the first ever for isis. none of these people have a particularly religious profile at all. >> that is so interesting. >> all petty criminal dropout druggies. they don't all come from bad families like abaaoud. he said isis is a cult. you know, we've been trying to figure out what it is, that is what he's saying. they attract down and out people. particularly girls, girls grooming girls to come on over. >> it's so interesting because years ago we do so many stories on radicalization, what is happening inside mosques and a
lot of people were thrown out of the various countries they were in. nic did a lot of reporting from england that but to your point, it really is these young guys who grew up here, part of the society and don't even really know the koran. there are examples of them reading the koran for dummies and this is -- >> abaaoud his family had no inclination towards religion. he was not a religious person. he drank, partied, did drugs, a petty criminal. you know, it's kind of hard to hear a family say they are glad their son is dead but they have said that and you can imagine for somebody as psychopath as him, that's the situation these families are in. >> you are learning it wasn't french intelligence that discovered he was here, they discovered because moracan intelligence. >> we don't know how they knew he was here.
>> he's of morocon descent. >> they have people in the community who are picking up whispers, presumably. we really don't know. i think speaking to the issue of this sort of party going, drug taking young men that don't understand the koran. the thing that's changed going back to looking at this in britain ten years ago is in part the internet and isis' ability to sell a seductive narrative to kids that feel marginalized for whatever reason. we found this in britain this last summer. the youngest british suicide bomber, his family had rage how can the british government allow this stuff to be on the internet and kids see it in their bedrooms and fall for it? isis is very, very adapt to this and we're behind them. >> it's so interesting how it's these young guys who are new converts and it's often these
new converts who are the most extreme. >> exactly. >> like they are trying to move something. >> trying to prove and haven't grown up with a good sense of religion in a sort of meaningful profound and natural way. it hasn't been like an organic process in that sense. >> a lot of these guys seem like psychopaths. >> that's what they call this one, abaaoud and behavior in the videos show that psychopath tendency. the m i-5 chief andrew parker, what he said is stunning is that all of this regarding the internet, there have been radicalized to the point of violence so fast over the internet, faster than the intelligence chiefs have time to disrupt their plans and that is, actually, the big game changer and to be very frank, i was really surprised to hear the chief religious leader here in france say that because they have land, that they occupy in
syria and iraq, it gives them a big grandeur and factory to plantpla plan terrorism. >> it's what they set out to do. this is what they set out to do. when isis went to syria, they didn't go to move assad. raqqah was top of the list. we see the out fall. >> one other thing i would say, the parents sometimes are a little slow to react because initially are happy to see their kids are no longer smoking weed and behaving well and respectful and not drinking alcohol and in the beginning it's a positive transition they think, sometimes it's too late before they realize it's actually something for more sinister. >> thank you very much. nic robertson. raids and serious questions why it is taking so long. important signals missed? drew griffin investigates when we look back. working on my feet all day gave me pain here. wrap p on this machine and get my number
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attacks dead, one of the murderers still on the loose, the so-called eighth terrorist on the loose, police across france and europe rounding up suspects, 6 oc00 raids since friday. several killers known to authorities on the radar raises questions about missed signals, how was this ringleader able to get back from syria to france without being discovered until
moroccan intelligence informed french intelligence. talk to us about these raids going on. >> there were nine raids early yesterday morning here in belgium apartments, a few houses, nine people arrested and brought in for questioning but anderson, the biggest questions are surrounding whether or not the belgium officials have a handle on this. that's because six of those nine raids concerned this one guy bilal hafdi. the police acknowledged they have known about him since early 2015 when they learned he traveled to syria to fight for isis and also may have learned about him even earlier than that when his radical islamic behavior kind of showed up involving a schoolteacher. you know, it's another case where despite all of this, that
the belgium police had no idea this guy was even back in europe until his body was found in paris. >> i mean, belgium police certainly had chances to intercept some of the other f terrorists involved in this plot, didn't they? >> there is a lot of criticism, salah abdeslam on the run that you mentioned, abraham abdeslam who blew himself up in paris. the belgium police were alerted in february, why? because abraham abdeslam tried to go from turkey to syria. they sent him back to belgium, notified the police and the police went and interviewed both brothers back then and came up empty, determined there was nothing to it and let them go. you said there is growing criticism by belgium authorities. the prime minister said he's
going to clamp down but i talked to one analyst that said this is too little and too late. listen to what he said. >> it took too long and even our anti radicalization policy took too long, actually. it needs time and too bad i think our politicians that our governments successtididn't und estimate the problems happening under ground. luckily, now they are aware of it and facing it but still in the tackling it enough. >> anderson, in a speech the prime minister of belgium announced that he's going to increase both the intelligence and the security services by a big margin. he also said he wants to increase the efforts being made to stop young belgium men from going to fight in syria.
then he also vowed that any of those isis fighters who come home thinking they are going to come home to belgium, they he said will come home to a prison cell. anderson? >> drew, appreciate the reporting. before continuing the conversation, i want to quickly show you video that aired on abc news. the first clear look of the explosion during the raid. the female suicide bomber blew herself up. [ gunshots ]. >> joining us is cnn term ris m analyst paul cruichshank. there was contact with and before we do that, to what drew was reporting about the problems in belgium. how big a problem is it, intelligence sharing between services and countries inside europe? because in the u.s. we had a huge problem with that before 9/11 between the fbi and cia. it seems like that problem
exists here. >> what i -- having thought about all this, we can say that we are really at post 9/11 stage in france, not that we cooperated with the u.s. on many cases and everybody is aware of that global terror threat but this time around, we're still piecing together how an attack of that scope could have happened in our country in belgium and france. we need to, you know, definitely there is going to be a lot, a lot of questions addressed to politician, addressed to intel service, you know, in the coming months. there is going to be a huge shakeup and also maybe the problem is we're going to turn towards more security. that's obvious. this is something that your viewers have to understand is that france is always prided itself of being a free country and, you know, sometimes pointing at the u.s. with too much regulations, too much
trouble at the airport, in the u.s. much tougher than here. not that we don't scrutinize here, there is proper legislation put in place but maybe the country is too open and that's what a lot of people are thinking. >> a legendary magazine here hugely respected, you actually have been in contact in years past with this ringleader. >> with about, yes, we started, this all started with one of our freelancers that found his cell phone in syria and we pulled out the videos of him, you know, driving -- when you see him with the afghan hood, that's from that video and during that video when you listen to it, he speaks in french sometimes, a little arabic and says he's pulling bodies of dead soldiers, of -- that there's been an offense north of aleppo. >> he's dragging them from his vehicle. >> he's dragging them from his vehicle but says i'm pulling the
body for infadels. he said the chechens did that. he is pulling the body. he's with, you know, young recruiters that just came from france and he talks to them. he's from belgium. he's with french people, which is very interesting because back then and i think ever since when they fight on the ground in syria, they are with group of, you know, with the same language. so there is no surprise that you see them connected so much connected to belgium because they fought together. they forge bombs, blood bombs in syria. >> they are from largely the same neighborhoods and went to prison together and were petty criminals together. they have -- it's like an ex end t -- extended gang. >> some of them went to school together and if you take the ring of terrorists from the south of paris and from the north, as well, you have people
that, you know, are from the same neighborhood and even you can connect a few of the suicide bombers from the bataclan, the one from the -- from back in january. >> paul, the network, though, continues in syria. i mean, there is other national belgium nationals, french nationals there who again very well could be planning we think in syria, could be here, we don't know but could be planning other things. >> we know they are in syria and planning other things and we know there was a senior french isis fighter fabien clan trying to turn around european extremists and for a string of attacks and attempted attacks against europe against france and they are still out there. clan took responsibility for this attack on behalf of isis.
he's a senior figure in the group ten years older than abaaoud and i think the french will want to target him. >> thank you so much. fantastic to talk to you. paul cruickshank. we'll look at a former isis insider speaking out. he claims to have been a spy for the organization and sharing rare insight of the daily operations and spoke to michael weiss of the daily beast and remarkable interviews he did. he joins us ahead. if you don't think when you think aarp then you don't know "aarp." our drive to end hunger has donated 31 million meals and counting. find more real possibilities at aarp.org/possibilities
after years of brutal attacks and most recently the bombing of the russian plane in egypt and bombings in france, isis is a household name. much is unknown about the organization's day to day operations. one man claiming to be a former isis spy is revealing details, who the leaders are, sleeper cells, how isis chooses suicide bombers. the account is part of a special series with michael weiss and michael joins us now. this is an incredible series i
started to read that you were in for the daily beast. i encourage anyone whose not read it to do so. the guy you interviewed claims he defected from isis' security state service. what to you is perhaps the most revealing thing you learned from talking to him? >> well, i mean, isis is always presented itself as an actual state. i mean, they are called the islamic state for a reason. we have administrative services. we run a vast intelligence gathering apparatus and have more conventional than conventional manner but it was hard anderson to separate just their bluster from the reality. what the defector, what he revealed is that i wouldn't call it a functioning state but it's gone to failed state hood in a manner quite remanence sent and
bashar al-assad's regime in syria. living under isis rule in one of the two mountains reminded him after living under assad. one of the things they do well. >> basically they have groups monitoring other groups and one security service monitoring another security service. >> here is the important take away. a lot of guys that run isis today graduated, if you like, from the regime of saddam husse hussein. more specifically their intelligence services, the iraqi military intelligence. the guy who essentially found that isis' franchise in syria had been a colonel i believe in sadd saddam's air force service and documents gathered show an intelligence apparatus nothing so much like what the east germans or kgb used to do. the way isis managed to conquer
a third of syria, not because these guys fight so terribly well. they went like lambs to the slaughter. i was told that a lot of guys thought there was a conspiracy to have them cakilled. the reason they are taking so much terrain, they dispatched sleeper agents into free syrian territory with a lot of money. isis is a wealthy franchise and control the oil fields and make money from human trafficking. they impose taxation, right? the more terrain they take, the more people there are to collect islamic tax from. they dispatch agents armed or equipped with $400,000 and an army brigade and with that money you rise quickly to the top. unbeknown to syrian rebels, the in some cases they are being controlled by agents of isis and this is how isis actually takes territory in advance of the military on slot and manage to
recruit and within free syrian villages and townships and the population just gives itself over and they also sell themselves on the basis of functioning administrative services. we will collect the garbage. if you have a problem with the restaurant that you go to, we will inspect the restaurant. if it's infested, we will charge it fine on the proprietor of the restaurant and that's not to get into the deterrent factor of the code and how severely they punish the most minor infraction. >> we're told we're getting a huge number four and this jives with what the fbi director told other reporters. that number dropped dramatically. the concern, of course, is are they telling people to stay in their home countries and just do attacks there. this guy actually talked to you about two french nationals, he claims that he helped to train
and you contacted him after the paris attacks. what did he say about them? >> i asked him in a stumble when we did the interview what were their names and he said i don't know. in isis held territory, nobody uses their name, you're always abu something. if you ask what your legal or given name it assumes you're a spy and the punish the is you get your head cut off. he told me one guy had blonde hair and blue eyes. the other guy and had a small child, i believe. so, you know, he did say, and i asked him did you warn anybody about these two and he answered very sort of discreetly yes and he wants to be on the other side at this point. >> michael weiss again on the daily beast and fascinating series of articles. thank you.
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reports that the manhunt for friday's fugitive killer expanded to the netherlands, just moments ago, dutch officials said that's not the case. isis released a new video threatening attacks on isis and rome and singled out new york and details able the moroccan intelligence that helped french police find the ringleader of the attacks. our justice reporter evan perez joins me now. what is the latest on this moore rack ra -- moroccan intelligence. >> we had moroccan official andd a lot of information about abaaoud and once it became clear that he were behind the attacks, that's when they set into action
and tapped moroccan sources. abaaoud and his parents are moroccan and they found he was with a sustained specked female suicide bomber. they were able to pass that information to french intelligence on monday. just a couple days after the attack and one of the questions i had was why were they tracking him? they say they simply knew about him because moroccan fighters that come back from syria and iraq are given extensive interviews and asked them, moroccan intelligence asked him who are you with and ifighting with? that is information they are able to collect and use for later intelligence. this is the reason why they knew right after the attacks that abaaoud was likely in france. >> which obviously was a huge help. what's the latest on the video? >> the latest on the video, the
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they would do in a situation like this when were you thinking of different things in your mind of what to do? was going through your mind? >> complete shock. i think that's the first thing. i couldn't believe it. i couldn't believe this was happening. >> it didn't seem real? >> didn't seem real. i had to stay calm so i thought about my family. i thought about my friends. >> you were reliving moments with your family, with your friends? >> yeah. yeah. and picturing their faces and saying and this is the only thing i did was i said out loud i love you. i didn't say their names. i just pictured their face and i said i love you and whispered. >> were you afraid they would see you saying i love you? >> my face was towards the ground when i said it. i at this point, i was so, so
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. > so many people have every reason to be filled with hate after what happened but they are not. and a husband and father is explaining why with extraordinary grace. his wife was killed on friday. their little boy is 17 months old. he reads an open letter to his wife's killers. listen. >> if the god for whom you kill so blindly made us in his image, each bullet in my wife's body would be a wound in his heart.
therefore i will not give you the gift of hating you. you have obviously sought it but responding to it with anger would be to give in to the same ignorance that has made you what you are. you want me to be afraid? to cast a mistrustful eye on my fellow citizens? to sacrifice for my freedom, you lost, same game. >> we are only two my son and me, but we are stronger than all the armies of the world. which i thought was so beautiful. >> i don't know about daesh and et cetera. but we stand free. we stand with the taste of life. we stand with happiness. we play games with my son. and no, they don't win.
no. we stand. >> your son is only 17 months. >> yes. >> so still, he doesn't understand. >> but he feels everything. and he know everything. we talk about it. and then he cry. but he was crying about -- because his mother, he miss his mother. so i took my phone and put some music that he was listening with his mother, and we look at photos. he show me, this is my mother. mama, mama, mama, mama. and then he cries and we cry together. we don't pretend we are not sad or devastated. no, we are. but we stand. since friday night, life decide for me. day after day, i will see. >> incredible strength. that does i