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it is 8:00 in the morning here in paris where despite the death of terrorist ringleader abdelhamid abaaoud the french officials say the threat is not over. france wraps up military action against isis. also ahead this hour, the backlash against syrian refugees. the u.s. house of representatives votes for stricter regulations.
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good morning and welcome to the program. i'm christiane amanpour live from the place de la republique in a very rainy paris this morning. as the hunt is still on for the man who has been called the eighth suspect. now, he is the french national we've been talking about for the last week, salah abdeslam. possibly the only one who survived friday's attacks. and a source tells cnn that the search has now expanded to the netherlands. but dutch media says the justice ministry there denies that. french police confirm that the alleged ringleader of last friday's attacks, abaaoud is dead, killed in wednesday's raid in saint-denis. the prosecutors say fingerprints and prints from the soles of his feet helped identify his bullet-riddled body. cnn's erin burnett spoke with
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nathalie galat who is relieved. >> he knew in the last month that his son was linked to all the terrorism acts which happen in europe. he was afraid. to learn that his son abdelhamid had committed something horrible. >> and sources tell cnn the woman who blew herself up during wednesday's raid has been identified as hasna aitboulahcen. and you can hear police confront her just before she blew herself up. [ speaking french ]
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>> now neighbors say police have taken the woman's mother and brother in for questioning. and they're searching the mother's home in a northern parisian suburb. and take a look at this surveillance video from a paris cafe obtained by the it shows terrorists opening fire on friday night. just hours from now, the french senate is expected to vote to extend the country's state of emergency for three months. that will confirm the national assembly, the lower house of parliament which approved the measure on thursday. and it comes as a new isis video threatens new attacks here in france, in italy and in the united states. so let's now bring in our fred pleitgen, live with me in paris. all of this, all the search, i mean basically, this obviously isn't over.
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where is the focal point of the search right now? >> the focal point of the search right now is to find the last remaining attacker somewhere. salah abdeslam. and that search is still ongoing. and one of the things that we've heard obviously there is that they're now searching in the netherlands as well. and the netherlands are saying the search has been expanded here because of course this was a global search warrant here to begin with. however, they are searching there as well. one of the reasons is salah, he apparently spent time in the netherlands in the past. when he escaped here from the scene, he was apprehended by the authorities and questioned. and that was when he was on a road that leads to belgium. but of course we know once you get out of the paris area, you can basically go in any direction. you go to the netherlands, you can go to germany or to belgium. so it would be normal for them to be looking in all these places. >> so they still don't know whether he crossed the frontier. just to point out, he was questioned. he was in a car with a couple of other people who rescued him and
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taken him out. but he was let go before they had this warrant for him. >> he was like that before they had the warrant. but of course after the attacks. after the attacks happened there were extra checks on the road. they had him and then they let him go. >> it is one of those awful, awful situations. so they're still trying to find him. i guess their nightmare would be if he goes to, you know, turkey and syria. >> it would be if he goes to turkey and syria. it also would be whether or not he tried to plan any other attacks. one of the things that we have seen so far is that everywhere the police has confronted any of these terrorists, they have also been very highly armed and they've always had some form of explosives on him there is certainly a concern that he might be armed as well. >> let's talk a little bit more about hasna aitboulahcen, the woman, who everyone was say abouting was a abaaoud relative, maybe a cousin. you can see in the video she was shouting to the police he is not my boyfriend there had been thought maybe they were linked romantically. but it's quite a dramatic thing to be saying just before you
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blow yourself up. >> it is. and it shows the aggressive situation that happened there. apparently from what we believe, she also is the first one who actually opened fire on authorities as well. this is before she blew herself up. clearly trying to protect them. so she is someone who was obviously very much radicalized as well. >> and yet she apparently, according to her family, she was quite a party girl. >> yes. >> it's very recent and very rapid her radicalization. >> quite a party a girl. and some of the other things we've been gathering, from media reports and our own reporting is that as late or as early as five years ago, she was listed as a business owner on the border between germany and france. and apparently became radicalized at some point in that time in between. and of course all of this is one of the reasons why the french have now so much expanded their military use here at home. but also of course abroad as
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well. and what they have done is they have sent their aircraft carrier now to the coast of syria. and we believe that they're going to start bombing extensively there as well. let's have a look at that. french air force personnel are busy these days, mounting bombs to the wings of fighter jets and getting them ready to take off into the night. after the terror attacks of friday the 13th, the country has drastically stepped up its air campaign against isis. at a military parade on thursday, francois hollande vowed they will not stop until the extremists are defeated. "france is leading this war with its armed force," he says. "his soldiers i can congratulate. they carry out this war with our allies." in another sign that paris is serious about combatting isis, the french aircraft carrier charles de gaulle departed and will be stationed right off syria's coast, almost tripling
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france's air assets in the region. a senior analyst believes the french public will support a stepped up military campaign, but only if it proves to be successful in the short-term. >> the french will want, as anybody else in those circumstances, they will want to see results. if they don't see results, then they will start to question the emphasis of the french effort. >> reporter: france has called for more international cooperation in the fight against isis. the problem, countries battling the group can't agree on a common strategy. russia's vladimir putin has ordered his military to cooperate with the french air force. "we need to establish a direct contact with the french and work with them as allies," he said. "it is necessary to work out a joint action plan with them both at sea and in the air." but france and its main ally the u.s. are at odds with russia over the future of syrian president bashar al assad.
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an issue that has prevented effective coordination until now. but fueled by anger over isis' attacks in paris, france's leaders say in spite of the problems, they are determined to degrade and ultimately defeat the terror group. and the charles de gaulle aircraft carrier is going to be in place within the next couple of days. and certainly analysts here believe that the french will extremely step up their bombing campaign once that carrier is there in place. >> and fred, just to amplify this, the french are very good at dropping highly militarized people into various areas and defeating terrorists. remember north africa. they really did it. if they decided to do something there, they are actually really good at going in very light and very quick and very effective. but what about the intelligence? because that's the big question that actually led to abaaoud. if they got it from somewhere else, right? >> that's one of the things that really surprises a lot of people. because the french obviously
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have no clue that abaaoud was back here in france. they thought he was in iraq and syria, as did american intelligence as well. the tip-off apparently came from the moroccan intelligence service who were tracking abaaoud and then gave the french a tip. apparently it was november 16th that they told them he was here in france and probably even led them to the suburb of saint-denis which then led to the raid. >> it was three days after the attacks. fred, thanks so much. it just goes to show the necessity of intelligence sharing. after nearly a week of the deadly attacks here, u.s. presidential democratic candidate hillary clinton is now providing more details about her isis strategy. among other things, she is calling for more airplanes, allied strikes to combat the terror group in syria. and she is also urging congress to approve a new authorization for the use of military force against isis, saying that doing so would signal the united states is committed to that fight. >> we should be honest about the
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fact that to be successful, air strikes will have to be combined with ground forces actually taking back more territory from isis. >> reporter: so getting out way ahead of her former administration, the obama administration, and earlier, i asked the retired nato commander general wesley clark to weigh in on clinton's plan and asked him what he thinks it would take to defeat an enemy like isis. general clark, welcome to the program. can i ask you first, in the wake of these terrible attacks, and what we're hearing from so many leader, including the french president, that this is a war that has to be faced down. your comments on what hillary clinton just said, because she talked about ground troops. >> well, i think hillary has it about right. i think you've got to protect the syrian opposition from the air attacks by the assad regime. you've got to use u.s. special forces in there. but you've got to think beyond
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the military. and here you've got to ask yourself what is the goal we're working for? what is syria going to look like after all of this is over? we don't want to make the mistake we made in iraq where we destroyed the state structures of iraq. there was no one to give driver's licenses, no one to teach school, no one to run the museums, no one to do anything that previously was done by the state. we invalidated and got rid of them all because they were baathists. now we can't do that in syria because we learned in iraq there is a state of chaos that follows that is simply unacceptable. so it's up to the west, really, to sketch out the outline of how this is going to come together in the aftermath of the use of military force. and then to bring our arab allies in together. you cannot do the bulk of the ground fighting with u.s. forces. it's true. i mean, we're very good at defeating any force of isis. but we're not very good in
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fighting in any urban areas where there is a lot of civilians and people rung in and out of buildings, shooting. we're under very tight constraints. we can't identify friend from foe. we don't speak the language. so it's a tremendous handicap on our force, and it risks a lot of very restrictive rules of engagement so we don't hurt innocent people. we need our arab allies to come forward. isis is a threat to them. isis has made its claim on mecca and medina. isis is not going to leave turkey untouched. the turks, the kurds, the saudis and others in the region have got to bear the brunt of the ground fighting. and then the united states and western european allies can provide air support and logistics. but the ground fighting has to be done by arab allies. >> so narrowing down an effective strategy. and just ahead, we'll return to the latest developments here in paris and focus on this woman
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memorials all over paris this rainy morning. now, although french and british and other intelligence forces tell us they have thwarted major attacks by isis over the last months, this one, this big one here has provoked a lot of criticism and a lot of introspection about how intelligence must do better. and earlier i spoke with richard barrett. he is the former counterterrorism director for britain's mi-6. what about all these people who seem to have been able to travel on their passports, even despite
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the fact that this is what you and many other in the intelligence community were warning about? and furthermore, what is the situation where you are right now? i mean, there are many suspected extremists and bombers in turkey. what are the authorities doing about them? >> well, here i think there is a great deal of activity to try and prevent more people getting into syria. and deal with them if they come out as well. i mean, the turks now have about 26,000, 26,500 names on their list of people that they should take an interest in if they try to enter the country. that's a big number. but it's certainly not the whole number there is many, many more people that other states are concerned about whose names haven't been shared with the turks. and i think the turks would probably be quite happy to have more names and spend more time looking for people rather than taking the risk that they're facing themselves, of course, as you saw the boppings in ankara not so very long ago by the
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islamic state here. >> there are those who criticize turkey's willingness or unwillingness to put these people under surveillance and really watch them carefully. fellow journalists say they put it to various officials. okay. you've got all these people. they are suspected. you know they're radicalized. why don't you just do something, arrest them? and they say well, we can't do that until they've actually blown themselves up. in other words, you get the absurdity of the situation. isn't that the heart of intelligence and security, dilemma and some would say failure, given what happened here in paris. people who are on the radar who they know have been radicalized, who they know may have very bad intentions. and yet they haven't corralled them. they haven't rounded them up. >> yes, indeed. you have put your finger on it that is precisely the problem. and many of the people who have been arrested or investigated for potential terrorist crimes have been found to be have been on the police radar. they have a criminal record or
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so. and many times sort of minor criminality. but you can't arrest somebody, you can't bring them to court and you certainly can't convict them unless you've got a very strong case. >> do you think we're in a new war? intelligence has to be up to the task. we keep hearing that security can't do it. it takes ten people to follow one suspected radical or whatever the ratio. therefore, it has to be intelligence. the things we're reading. one guy got back into france using a passport -- despite the fact that his passport had been taken away from him and he was able to come back into this country. so actually, doesn't intelligence have to speed up, you know, get better at what they're doing. >> sure. but we can't -- we can't assume that there is not going to be any terrorism there will be terrorist attacks. and if you look at what has been happening in europe, we've had seven plots foiled in france. we've had seven plots foiled in the uk. and other plots foiled in other
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countries. so there is a lot more plots being discovered and foiled than there are actually taking place. so we should take heart from that but some are bound to happen. the case of abdelhamid abaaoud, this guy who is killed in the saint-denis raid, that is quite odd because he was convicted in a belgian court, having been accused and so on from the involvement in planning attacks in belgium. so his name was very much known and out there. but i think for most of the people, you know, there are millions of people crossing borders the whole time. many of them unfortunately with fake passports and so on. and a lot of that is just normal criminality. terrorism is a tiny tiny tip of that iceberg. and it is incredibly hard to deal with, unless you have very, very precise intelligence. >> all right, richard barrett, that's obviously the challenge of the future. thank you so much for joining us. >> so richard barrett, former mi-6. now back to the woman who blew
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herself up during that predawn raid in saint-denis. she is the first female suicide bomber in europe, the first known isis suicide bomber, but female. but she is by no means the only female with close ties to isis. earlier, i spoke to nikita malik. he has co-authored a report called "caliphates, women and the appeal of the islamic state". >> what is particularly interesting in the instance of the case of the first female suicide bomber employed by islamic state is the circumstances in which the suicide bombing happened. it was done more of a defense mechanism than an act of violence. because as islamic state has said in its propaganda many times, women are to remain in the home. and their participation in jihad is more of a nurturing kind of role as a mother and as a wife.
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so this was an exception that we saw yesterday with the female suicide bomber. >> nikita, let me play you a little bit of an interview that i conducted with the french foreign minister more than a year ago about this very issue. because everybody in the west has been very worried to see their girls leaving schools and going off to isis. this was his warning. >> we have to be very, very strict and to explain these young people, especially for the young girls, 13, 14 years old that if they're going there, maybe some of them think that it will be a new life. in fact, they are prostitutes. they are sexual slaves. >> and that certainly is what we've heard from the very few who have escaped. do they just not get it, or do they, you know, realize when it's too late? how can they get out of that
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when they find themselves in that? >> i think it's a hard question to answer how to get out of it. because we haven't had that many instances of women who have managed to successfully leave. but i think the idea that they're sexual slaves is a little limited because they -- especially women who are going from the west know very well what they're getting themselves into it. they know that they're going to be wives, they're going to be mothers. and feel justified theologically as well in making this journey, making might griggs to islamic state. so the idea of slavery i think gives them -- reduces their sense of agency. in fact, they feel very empowered in joining islamic state. i know it sounds like a contradiction because once they get there, their lives are very limited. but somehow they seem to think this is divinely mandated. >> and the really troubling
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phenomenon is that women isis members are grooming these europeans, these muslim women or others from other countries to come over. so very serious, intensive grooming online. now from here to the united states where lawmakers are trying to toughen security requirements for syrian refugees coming into the country, the latest from capitol hill ahead.
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welcome back. so many vigils. so many flowers, candles. so many children trying to understand what happened. and remember, this was an attack on the young of paris, especially in that concert hall and restaurants. it was a terrible assault on the young of this country. and the investigates into those terror attacks is still in full
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swing this morning here in paris and across europe. so we're going to go right now to our senior international correspondent ivan watson who was in brussels with the latest. ivan, what are the authorities doing there now? what is the latest from belgium? >> well, at this stage, we're preparing for a meeting, an extraordinary session of interior ministers and justice ministers from across the european union. they're coming together of course in response to the terrible attacks in paris to discuss a whole framework of possible new measures to try to prevent a repeat of these types of attacks. so they're going to be discussing trying to strengthen the external borders. and as we have seen, a number of suspects who are believed to have left europe. and then authorities discovered they were back in europe only after they started killing people in paris. they're also going to be discussing a passenger name record initiative. that's trying to find a way to better track people moving around the european union.
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of course, this is the schengen zone. once people get in europe, they're not checked for their passports as they move across borders. that's something clearly the militants and extremists have exploited. some of the issues on the table, meanwhile, belgian authorities continued their search for the missing paris suspect whose car was last found here in brussels in the wake of the paris attacks. he is a fugitive at large and considered dangerous. christiane? >> are you hearing any more about certain reports from sources they is search for abdeslam has extended into the netherlands? >> that's right. cnn has heard that that is a concern now. and that might make sense. again, those internal birthdayers that you don't need passports to use to cross and the netherlands right next door
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to belgium. and in the wake of the attacks, we also heard about arrests that prove to be inconclusive across the border from belgium in germany as well the search does go on. there were a series of raids that go on here in brussels on thursday as security forces followed up search warrants and detained about nine people. in the meantime, it's been interesting to hear some of the reaction, christiane, especially in the molenbeek district of brussels. the neighborhood that the ringleader of the paris attacks perhaps belgium's most notorious terrorist abdelhamid abaaoud that he grew up in. and he clearly worked with some of his neighbors from that area, recruited them to work with him. a mix of reaction. some people actually saying they were sad that abaaoud had been killed. others saying that it was good that a terrorist had been taken off the map. take a listen.
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>> translator: leave islam alone. leave the prophet alone. each with his own religion. christians have their own religion. muslims have their own religion. so stop talking the bay way of mohamud. stop killing people in the middle east, and there won't be any terrorists anymore. and if you keep going, the terrorists won't stop. >> i don't have any feeling about his death. i think it was the kind of person who looks for these things. they made terrible things. and that's it. but i am not going to cry about his death. that's for sure. >> translator: i grew up in islam. i never saw a single verse in the koran that said you can go blow yourself up in front of innocent people and kill them like that. we were all emotional. we were all shocked. and i hope this won't happen again. >> it's worth noting,
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christiane, a country of 11 million people, belgium. and yet an estimated 500 or more belgians are suspected of having smuggled themselves to syria to join the ranks of hard-core islamist groups like isis. >> troubling indeed, and a huge challenge. thank you there ivan watson in brussels. we're going now to the united states, to washington, d.c. and you're looking at live pictures of the u.s. capitol right now. now, lawmakers have you feel isly put a halt. they put a pause to any more syrian refugees entering the united states. the house of representatives say none can enter without certification by homeland security. now that bill heads to the senate. and cnn's senior washington correspondent joe johns reports. >> reporter: with millions of refugees trying to flee the civil war in syria, and even france pledging to take in 30,000 of them --
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>> the ayes are 239 and the nays are 237. the bill is passed. >> reporter: the u.s. how many times passed a bill that effectively blocks refugees from syria and iraq from coming to the united states. it sailed through with support from both parties led by the newly minted house speaker paul ryan in his first week on the job. >> the first duty of the american government is to keep the american people safe. >> reporter: the bill requires top administration officials to certify that incoming refugees are not a safety threat, which the head of the fbi and dhs says is overly cumbersome. the white house has threatened to feet it in the event it gets past democrats who oppose it in the senate. >> don't worry. it won't get passed. >> a new poll shows broad support for blocking certain refugees to keep isis fighters out. the top republican on the foreign relations committee complaining the white house just doesn't get it. >> they have a tendency because of what they do on a daily basis is to almost knock down concerns that average americans have.
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>> reporter: and the president's point man on homeland security sounding exasperated that his message is not getting through that the refugee program is a slow and careful process. >> all i can do is keep repeating what i've been saying all week. i gave a speech yesterday publicly where i reiterated the thoroughness of our vetting process. >> reporter: many democrats oppose changes to the refugee program, which would only affect about 10,000 people. and they are countering with a proposal to address a bigger vulnerability, the so-called visa waiver program that allows 20 million people a year to enter the u.s. almost unquestioned as long as they have passports from any one of 38 countries. no vetting, no waiting period. >> but if a terrorist is going to try to come into this country, they're much more likely to use loopholes in the visa waiver program to. >> reporter: also during the day republican senator and presidential candidate rand paul tried unsuccessfully to slip a provision into a transportation bill that would have blocked government benefits for refugees
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from 34 countries and territories, an indication, perhaps, that this issue is not going away. joe johns, cnn, the capitol. >> so just before that bill was passed, i spoke to democratic congressman luis gutierrez. now he too says, of course, that intelligence must work 300% to make sure all the security issues are managed. but he said in the wake of the paris attacks and the fear everywhere, america must not lose its fundamental values. congressman gutierrez, welcome to the program. >> pleasure to be with you, christiane. >> congressman, you have just come from a vote in the house there is also going to be a vote by congressman ryan, the speaker, to ask for a pause in president obama's resettlement refugee program. what do you expect? how will that vote go. and what is the implications of it? >> well, first of all, i don't
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expect to it go well. i expect those who want to use the carnage and the human tragedy, the terrorism, the loss of life in paris, france, to use this as a measure against immigrants, against refugees. and to destroy a very successful refugee resettlement program which has worked for decades in the united states. i think they want to use this crisis and this act of terrorism to stop immigration. and all kinds of immigration. legal and other immigration to the united states of america. so i think they're going to be successful, unfortunately. at least that's my sense, christiane, from talking to members. >> do you think their aim will work, to just stop immigration and stop the current debate in the united states? >> no, because it goes centrally against who we are. here in america during the last few day, the newscasts have been in such solidarity with the
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people of france. and particularly those in paris. and now i hope we will continue to be in solidarity with them. you know, they sent us the statue of liberty. and now we must have the courage to stand by that wonderful gift, and to continue to be a beacon of hope for everyone. i remember reading in the history books that when the issue came and the 1800s, they said oh, they need not come here. they're dangerous. they're not white anglo saxon protestants. they're catholics and their only allegiance is to the pope. they were wrong, as they're wrong about muslims that are fleeing the assad regime. muslims fleeing isis. certainly in america and in americans' hearts, there is a place for children, there is a place for women fleeing murder and rape and the savagery of the situation in syria today there must be a place in america. i'm sure we will return to it. >> and earlier, i also spoke to
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france's foremost muslim leader here about what it will take to defeat isis. he said military to get rid of the territory they hold will be absolutely necessary. that's next. but first, outrage at the attacks here, and solidarity with the victims. a message from a group of young comedians in pakistan who have also known horrible terrorism. >> these are coming to europe in mass. but you have to understand they're running from the same people who are carrying out these acts. trust me, the only time is -- angry. annoyed when we don't get our morning coffee. in all honesty, we're the same people as you. here's dad. mom. the twins. aunt alice... you didn't tell me aunt alice was coming. of course. don't forget grandpa. can the test drive be over now?
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welcome back to the program. to these live pictures here in paris, the memorial at the place de la republique. the monument just behind me. now at least five of the victims of the attacks last friday were muslim. but as their families grieve, they themselves are also the targets of new suspicion. muslims here were quick to condemn the violence. and earlier, i spoke to the very angry, outraged chairman of the grand mosque of paris, dalil bubaker. he was furious at the attacks. he admits that islam is being slowly dragged more and more into a fundamentalist direction. welcome back to the program, mr.
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bubaker. >> welcome, thank you. >> it's the second time in less than a year we've met under these circumstances. the first thing i want to ask you is the man who they think organized this, the moroccan belgian was raised in a fairly decent household, fairly prosperous, not poor, and his family says that he was not even religious. he became a petty criminal. he was into drugs. he was arrested. what is this, then? >> it's the work of these sects, a kind of sects. >> so you call it a sect? >> yes. we think the crew, the people inside, people has problems. great problem. >> they find troubled youth? >> yes. we must stop these action. now we see young women given -- >> exploding themselves.
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>> it's a new one completely. and very astonishing. very -- >> did you ever think you would see that here in france, women blowing themselves up? >> no, madam. >> the pope said that this manifestation of what you're talking about is piecemeal, a piece of the third world war. do you agree? [ speaking french ]
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>> you're saying that you have to send armies to occupy the land that they hold? >> mr. boubakeur, you are the director of the grand mosque of paris there is a problem in your community, at least one that i identify. why is it that you don't all come together? and where are the massive marches by the muslim community
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around the world just get out there and tell these muslims, these radicals, these extremists, the people you have been talking about no. why is it that we always come out after "charlie hebdo," after this, after that. where are the muslim marches? where are the leaders in the muslim world? >> that is the true question. [ speaking french ] >> but isn't it time to not be discreet anymore? and do you accept what many mainstream muslims fear that they are trying, the extremists, the radicals, the violent to drag the extreme and make the
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mainstream accept that as the standard? >> our religion also, our religion is not a religion of violence, of terrorism, of jihadis, of women who kill. in what page of koran is that written that a woman must take bombs inside her body to explode and kill other people. in what part of koran is that said? in what part of core rkoran is t said that we shall kill innocent people, young people in france. what have they done to be killed in one second? >> thank you very much indeed for joining us today. thank you so much. so you can hear the outrage and the desperation that people like him are not having a big enough impact, as too many muslims are
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being increasingly radicalized. and as you see, he made a very, very astonishing statement, that they have to be removed from the territory they occupy where they are planning these attacks. now paris, this beautiful city, is normally alive at this time of year with festive shoppers from all over the country and all over europe and other countries as well. christmas markets have been closed because of this tragedy. but now they're starting to open. we'll bring you the mood on the street next. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple veggie dish ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple dinner ever? heart healthy california walnuts. great tasting, heart healthy california walnuts. so simple. get the recipes at
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♪ i'm george howell in atlanta. we will be returning to paris momentarily. but in that city, christmas markets are opening despite friday's terror attacks. but amid the candy canes and toy soldiers, armed security forces are on patrol in that city. senior international correspondent atika shubert checked out the city's shopping scene. >> reporter: life is returning to not quite so normal here in paris. we're on the champs elysees. this is the famous shopping avenue. there are armed police patrolling, looking out for any
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threat, even disney has its own private security checking even the smallest customers coming inside. security doesn't bother me at all this father told us. i came here with my little girl, and she was nervous to come to paris. but seeing all the police around has really comforted her. the christmas market in paris has only just reopened, as you can see, with extra security to assure parisians that they are on high alert. police also on patrol. and as we walked, we also saw a troop of cars streaming by, promoting the new wine with bottles and glasses in hand. toy soldiers, real soldiers, and wine. paris remains defiant. atika shubert, cnn, paris. and finally, imagine a world transformed. we take a look back at some of the strongest images of a week that shook paris and whose after shocks rippled around the world.
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