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thoughts are with them as they continue to recover from the horror and go on with their lives. thanks very much for muwatching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." cnn coverage of the terrorist attacks continues right now with erin burnett "outfront." good evening. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. "outfront" tonight, u.s. national security officials telling cnn that at least one of the eight paris attackers could have traveled to the united states. his record clean enough to avoid raising red flags in the u.s. screening system. this comes as the massive international hunt intensifies. authorities across europe searching for salah abdeslam. investigators now say a third person in the apartment raid detonated a suicide vest triggering this explosion.
it was believed that a woman, hasna aitboulahcen, was the suicide bomber. the prosecutors now say a man detonated the bomb in saint-denis killing her in the blast. pamela brown, u.s. officials are admitting to you that at least one of the paris attackers evaded the screening system. that's shocking. what more can you tell snus? >> that's right. we've been talking to intelligence from law enforcement. they are very concerned that, as more becomes known about these paris attackers, the various u.s. watch lists and other measures may not have been good enough to stop at least some of the attackers from traveling to the u.s. and we've learned that at least one of them had a clean enough background that he likely wouldn't have even raised red flags and could have come in
through the visa waiver program. four of the attackers were on the broad watch list that was 1.1 million names and at least one of them was on the no fly list before the attacks. but part of the issue, erin, lies in the incomplete information that are suspected of radicalizing. we reported that none of the attackers were on any u.s. watch list to check against traveler manifests. officials say that's because early on they had incomplete information on them, no indication that they were on the list. now it turns out that some of them were. but erin, i have to tell you, there's a lot of disagreement between law enforcement and counterterrorism officials about whether the watch list system would have prevented these attackers from coming in, whether we have enough security layers in place, especially with the visa waiver program. >> pamela, it allows people from countries, like britain, france,
belgium to come easily, right, into the united states, right? they can come in and don't have to go through extra screening. of course, these individuals now, this incredible threat from isis, have those passports. >> yes. and that is a concern that officials are going to be speaking to. in fact, it's a sign that the obama administration agrees that there are gaps that need closing. one official we spoke with said in the coming days the administration will be announcing a plan for additional steps to be taken with european countries that participate in the visa waiver program. citizens in 38 countries, mostly in europe, participate in the program that allows travel to the u.s. for up to 90 days without visas. these travelers are still screened against u.s. security databases and in the past year the department of homeland security reacting in part to the increase in the number of european foreign fighters traveling to iraq and syria. if they had added new data requirements, the concern continues, especially in light of the fact that at least one of the attackers could have slipped into the united states.
>> i mean, that is -- it's a pretty incredible and stunning thing. pamela, thank you very much. and along with that development now, new raids as they desperately try to track down salah abdeslam. nic robertson is "outfront." one week after the attacks and they still don't know where he is. >> reporter: they don't. in france alone in the last five days, there have been close to 800 different raids. more than 100 people arrested, more than 174 weapons taken into police custody. but salah abdeslam, the most wanted man here, whereabouts unknown. now authorities here said it was actually three people who were killed in that raid in saint-denis in the early hours of wednesday morning. it's raised a question, well, was salah abdeslam that third man? unlikely maybe because he was last seen heading towards the border with belgium but another
detail has emerged today. the ringleader, abdelhamid abaaoud, he was spotted on closed circuit cameras at a subway station in the minutes after the attacks finished. the significance of that is, the subway station he was spotted at was very close to where one of the cars was dumped. the black car used in the shootings and at the cafes on the streets, that car was dumped gentlemen close to that station. it times out that the car could have gotten from those attacks to the subway station around the time that abaaoud is seen getting in the subway system. so that kind of points investigators to the direction of, well, maybe he was in that vehicle. maybe he was a gunman in the attack as well. not just the ringleader. now, this car was rented by salah abdeslam, the most wanted man right now still on the run. this connects those two men together.
did they flee that attack scene together in that car, dump the car together? so for investigators, these are going to be very, very important details as they try to figure out where he is, where he is on the run right now, erin. >> nic robertson, thank you very much. in paris tonight. i want to go straight now to the former cia counterterrorism official phil mud, paul cruickshank. phil, the breaking news, at least one paris attackers could have traveled to the united states under the visa waiver program coming from one of those countries that so easily links to the u.s. when you're talking about belgian and french passports, that's frightening. >> the frightening part is not the visa waiver program. the politicians in this country, i believe, will raise that in the coming days. the question you need to ask is the quality of information we had about him and whether he should have been denied a visa. this is what it's going to boil down to and i predict the coming days will be pretty ugly.
did the europeans, french, belgians, did they have information about these individuals that was not passed to the americans that would have led the americans to deny a visa? the question here is, if you're going to deny the visa, you have to have information that's good enough to deny. it's not clear to me that information sharing between the europeans and americans was good enough in this case. >> paul, in terms of this manhunt, a week since the attacks, salah abdeslam has not been seen since he was stopped by french police and he was questioned in the hours after the assault as he was driving back towards belgium. do they have any idea where he might be? as we're now hearing, maybe he was sighted in spain. maybe he's gone to the netherlands. there's no sense as to where he truly is. >> well, the last time i checked in with belgian investigators, they had no idea at all where he was. he was last sighted when they stopped him driving at 9:00 in the morning on a saturday, driving towards the french
border. but he was let go because they didn't know he was a suspect, the french at that point. he may have gone to brussels, he may not have gone to brussels. he could perhaps be going back to syria. if he's moving around, he's going to be much more vulnerable. he's the most wanted man in europe at the moment, erin. that may point to him trying to go to somewhere he knows. i don't think it's impossible that he's in molenbeek, his home turf, hiding out in a cellar somewhere. i think that's a possibility and the belgians are worried about it. they are on edge tonight. >> his brother said he could go out in a blaze of glory. there's a lot of fear about that. amazing though, phil, what paul just said, hiding in a cellar in molenbeek. it's amazing to say if he's there, they couldn't find him. when i was in saint-denis, in that suburb, there were many neighbors that told me that abaaoud had been there the night
before. they knew his comings and goings at the mosque. they knew that at that time he was the most wanted man in europe. is it possible that people are not turning him in? >> there's a couple things to think about. first, i do believe it's possible, to my mind -- and i've lived in paris, it's not clear to me if he's doing that. it's people who are sympathetic with what he's done. you're talking about disenfranchised communities in the suburbs. it's most likely that they think they are harboring him and doing the right thing. it's about mistrust in the french suburbs. >> and where do you think it could be, salah abdeslam? >> i think it increases the likelihood he's found a smuggling network back to syria. the chances of discovering him in europe is high. if he gets back to syria, i believe we'll know eventually because he's going to be celebrating that and they are going to want to put out a video
that he escaped, he's back with the brothers in the heartland of syria. >> seth, where do you think he could be? >> well, erin, i think most likely right now he's probably in europe still. it's possible, as phil noted, he's gone back to syria. i think what is interesting here is at some point he's going to have to come up, communicate with someone, electronically, by phone, by e-mail or someone is going to spot him and so the question, from a technical standpoint or human intelligence standpoint, i think a lot of the effort is going to be to identify him, particularly if he's in europe. >> one thing that surprised me on the train ride from paris and brussels and back, there were no passport check, no bag check, nothing. it was business as usual. and i know that everyone is showing the signs of salah abdeslam, the wanted signs but they really weren't, just before yesterday, visible throughout the streets of paris. it wasn't the way that you'd expect a manhunt to be.
>> no, it's not, in many ways. the europeans have a several sophisticated cc-tv apparatus. they are checking people's imagery but i think you're right. we haven't seen a lot of visible law enforcement on the streets. >> all right. thank you all very much. "outfront" next, 170 hostages, more than 20 dead. "outfront" exclusive interview with someone who was there inside. a witness. paris officials say a woman killed in the raids did not detonate a suicide bomb. new details breaking tonight about who she really was. and isis' other weapon. a report tonight on the drug some isis fighters are taking to make them feel invisible. ♪ nothing artificial. just real roasted turkey. salt. pepper.
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learning that a u.s. citizen was among the 21 killed in a deadly assault on a popular attack in mali heavily armed gunmen storming the hotel. troops descended on the capital launching an all-out counter assault. 170 people held hostage in this hotel, a radisson blu. tonight, an al qaeda-linked group is taking responsibility for the attack. the group was possibly pledging allegiance to isis. in a moment, i'll speak to somebody who was inside that hotel. an exclusive interview. first, robin is live in nairobi. robin, what are you learning about the american killed? >> reporter: not a lot known about the american killed in the mali siege, erin. however, we know that around 12 americans, we're hearing from the embassy, and people were
also assisting. those are from special operations from u.s. africa command. but what we can tell su that the malians entered the siege after a number of hours. some horrific tales coming out of that hotel siege. here's what we know. gunmen stormed the radisson blu hotel in bamako around 7:00 a.m. firing automatic rifles and taking dozens of hostages. as many as 170 people were inside of the hotel at the time. >> two to three people entered with ak-47s. they came and immediately they started shooting at people. >> reporter: the hotel is popular with foreigners with guests from france, china, india, turkey and the u.s. staying there at the time. witnesses reported hearing gunfire and explosions coming from inside.
>> i saw people on the floor in the lobby. >> reporter: a chinese tourist shot this video as mali forces surrounded the building. troops launched a counterassault to rescue hostages. at least two u.s. military personnel assisted outside the hotel. a state department spokesman says about a dozen americans were rescued. by late afternoon, all the hostages had been freed or escaped. what we can tell you is that we have heard that one al qaeda-linked group has taken responsibility for this attack, erin. however, as far as we know, this has nothing to do with isis. could be a campaign between the jihadi groups. >> thank you very much, robyn. earlier i spoke with tsomeone wo
told me what he saw. >> translator: well, this morning, early in the morning, around 7:00 a.m., some people arrived on the west side of the hotel they arrived and starting firing at a table and started to shoot at everybody that was in the hotel. then, they went to the restaurant. i closed the door. i asked to go to the exit door and then as i was going, one of them who was wearing a cap went after me and pushed me and then i made my way outside. >> and did the young man have a gun, the young man was one of the attackers? >> translator: he had an
automatic gun, a kalashnikov. >> what can you tell me about the attackers? what were they saying? were they saying anything about islam? >> translator: one of the men. one of the man ran away and was saying, allahu akbar. >> did they tell you who they were or where they were from? >> translator: these people who attacked were -- i did not have the time to get close to them. it was hard for me to move around. these people started shooting. they were shooting at everybody without asking a single question. they were shooting at anything that moved. i did not have the time to understand what they were
saying. >> tamba, after the attack, you stayed at the hotel. one of the attackers had chased you. you came back. you went back to the reception desk to try to help others. most people would have run away. what made you stay? >> translator: well, what made me stay? my instinct made me stay to come back into the hotel to save lives. nothing else. >> to save lives, the heroes that you hear in these stories makes your -- gives you goose bumps. joining me is jeff. the counterterrorism provided an audiotape with a leader from al qaeda that operates in mali and in it they say, the worshippers of the cross have insulted the position of the best of the creation, peace and blessings be upon him.
may your explosive belts respond to them. how well trained are these people? >> it varies. there's a wide range of jihadi fighters in the entirety of africa and sahara. so you have commondants and we're not sure who was responsible or what their level of training was or what their access to weaponry was or their commitment to jihad was. >> we've seen these groups target sif target civilians and peacekeepers. >> correct. one of the characteristics of mali is there are not a lot of western investments. the western presence that you have in mali is mostly diplomats and people who are there on a diplomatic mission or there for some sort of a development mission.
so they resigned to this hotel and instead of attacking their assets, you attack where they live. >> he said they were from the north and could tell that from their accents. the specific fighters in this picture were not fighting for al qaeda. we don't know what their situation might be. how many groups are we talking about? there's this fear of people coming to europe and possibly coming to the u.s. >> we don't know how big these groups are. we just don't have a very good sense of their numbers. we don't have a great number of intelligent assets on the ground or eyes in the sky. one of the billingest challenges, when assessing these groups, is their recruitment levels. you could end up with a group that has three or four guys but you're not really sure how many new fighters are joining the group every day. could you have a group that has 300, 400, they lose 40, get another 50 as recruits.
>> again, this has a terrifying aspect to it. you have mali, with easy access to france and here you go again. >> right. so in your previous segment you had a question about clean passports. is it possible for someone with a clean passport to travel to the united states? is it possible for somebody with a clean passport to travel from west africa to france and carry out the same kind of attacks that we saw last friday in paris? >> the answer to that, of course, is yes. thank you very much, jeff. "outfront" next, the woman found in this week's massive raids in paris, new developments on her role as officials say today she did not blow herself up. plus, isis' go-to drug that they say makes them feel invincible on the battlefield for days. that's our special report. we live in a world of mobile technology, but it is not the device that is mobile, it is you.
. welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world. a stunning development in the investigation into the paris terror attacks. we're learning that the woman who died during the seven-hour raid on wednesday did not blow herself up as officials first reported. martin savidge is live in paris. martin, we were all told she was
a suicide bomber. what are officials saying now? a totally different story? >> reporter: it is a totally different story. good evening, erin. we're talking about 26-year-old hasna aitboulahcen. she is apparently the cousin of the ringleader in the attack. authorities say she died as a result of the suicide vest debt nation. police asked where is your boyfriend and she shouts back, he's not my boyfriend and then you hear the blast. that's why they say she detonated the suicide vest that she was wearing. they have tested more deeply and say she wasn't wearing a suicide vest. she didn't detonate it. it is yet to be an unidentified male. we don't know the person who was wearing the vest. she may have been killed in the blast or in the violence. what we do know is that this all attests to the tremendous violence of that raid on wednesday. and the leader of that raid had
said that she initially had the element of surprise. they were going in and going to blow the front door at the apartment. they knew whoever was in there was bad and wanted. when they blew the door, though, the door didn't give in because it was heavily barricaded. authorities immediately then lost the element of surprise and that's when that long, protracted deadly battle took place. erin? >> it is incredible. someone lived across the street ten minutes in started filming it and we started watching it. it's incredible it went on. you see the sniper on the roof and the shooting and shooting. it's something you'd see in a movie but it was real life. martin savidge, thank you so much. we're learning that salah abdeslam is one of the most wanted man in the world. >> reporter: this video from the dailymail.com said he's the most wanted man on earth.
his face now known on earth. salah and his brother brihim rented the three cars that delivered the gunmen to the killing sprees. one of the cars later found with three ak-47s inside. salah represented th salah rented this hotel room. he visited a neighborhood in brussels with a large immigrant population. as salah's brother mouhamed told me, home to many young men have gone to syria to train with isis. salah ran a bar in molenbeek, which was closed down weeks ago after police found it was a haven for drug dealers. when i spoke to salah's brother mouhamed, he told me both of miss brothers liked to party. >> translator: they have brothels and go out for two or three days without coming back home to sleep.
>> reporter: mohamed told me recently they stopped drinking and they became radicalized on the internet. now salah is on the run. i asked mohamed what he wants to say to him. >> translator: i would tell him to surrender. that's the best solution. to contact the authorities. >> reporter: his brother told me that salah abdeslam is afraid to turn himself in. he may also fear retribution from isis for abandoning his childhood friend. the reported ringleader of the paris attacks, abdelhamid abaaoud. but his brother has a message for him. >> translator: these are my brothers. i love them, that's for sure. >> and "outfront" now, republican congressman of ohio, an iraq war veteran and member of the u.s. army reserves. thank you for being with me, sir. this manhunt, salah abdeslam is
one of the most wanted men in the world. he could be on his way back to syria? >> well, certainly intelligent sources like to share information amongst our allies and especially in a manhunt like this. where he is at this point, intelligent sources are sharing information to catch that man. >> the breaking news, our pamela brown reporting that u.s. national security sources say that at least one of the eight paris attackers could have traveled to the united states. that he had a clean enough record, that given the ease of transit with visas between countries like france, belgium and the united states, he could have traveled into the united states. that is a pretty frightening
thing for americans to hear. >> it is. and i think that's what americans are hearing and we have to look at how we're doing things and that's why we wanted to put a pause on the refugee situation. we also need to look in our visa waiver situation and see how we're managing that. it's a different time. the scenario we'd like to see the world in is not a scenario that you'd get and you have to adjust when it happens that way. when it comes to the refugee situation, we're a very caring country. we've been pouring millions of dollars in to caring for refugees. we have to take a deep breath and assess the situation and make sure that we do things right. >> so the united states now says, congressman, that the u.s. is monitoring dozens of people who may be planning par paris-style copycat attacks. france and belgium were not aware of some of these attackers. are you worried about that, that we are not even looking at the right people? and are you confident that the fbi is truly able to monitor
dozens of people every moment of their day and really know what they are doing? >> i don't have 100% confidence on that and i don't think the fbi director does as well. it's a difficult task, as you know. do we have the amount of assets that we need? i will say, if you think about what we've endured in this country since 9/11, we've done pretty well because there are many attacks that have been stopped, even as i'm sitting here in cincinnati, ohio, we caught a guy who was about to make an attack and he was radicalized online. >> and let me ask you this, congressman. a new poll finds 81% of americans are registered -- i'm sorry, of registered voters, believe a terrorist attack with large casualties is likely in the united states in the near future. you've been briefed. do those numbers match what you've been hearing from counterterrorism officials? >> i don't have that same high level of the opinion that the american people are getting but
i understand where they are coming from. i hope that they are wrong. but certainly we've seen in happen in our country before. we know that the element is there and it's growing so the concern is great. i think we have to go out each and every day and be as vigilant as we can, use every asset that we possibly can and i hope that it doesn't happen but there's always that possibility, unfortunately. >> thank you very much, congressman, i appreciate your time tonight. "outfront" next, in paris, video from the dailymail.com, you'll see isis gunmen shooting indiscriminately. is a drug making isis fighters making them feel invincible. donald trump considering a database. ben carson comparing them to rabid dogs. why?
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brian todd is "outfront." >> reporter: a captured isis militant named karim talks about how he got his battlefield courage. >> they gave us pills that would make us go to battle not caring if we lived or died. >> reporter: he was being held by kurdish militants in northern syria. it was impossible to know if he was telling the truth or if he was being coached by his captors. but now a u.s. official tells cnn it's believed some jihadist fighters are using the drug called captagon, a powerful and dangerous amphetamine. >> it keeps you awake. you can stay awake for days at a time. you don't have to sleep and gives you a sense of well-being and euphoria and you think that you are invisible and nothing can harm you. >> reporter: recently, the u.n.'s drug czar said the al nusra front was giving them
captagon. there's a robust black market for the drug in the middle east. the profits funds weapons purchases for jihadist groups. >> hezbollah, people affiliated with hezbollah have a long history in the production and sale of captagon. at one point there was a fight between hezbollah-affiliated persons because some people are angry they weren't getting a cut of some of the business. >> reporter: captagon was developed in the '60s and first used to treat people with hyperactivity. it's since been banned in the u.s. and elsewhere. and while some question the drug's prevalence among fighter who is preach islamic purity, analysts say jihadists can find a justification. >> is it hypocritical? >> scholars would argue that it's not hypocritical. first of all, it's not a drug being taken to get high. >> reporter: psychiatrist robert keesling who has treated thousands of addicts can make people see things that are not there. >> that can hurt you on the battlefield, right?
>> absolutely. but they have made the decision that keeping these guys awake for four or five days at a time and giving them the sense of invisibility is worth the harm of the drug. >> reporter: for whatever sense of euphoria the captagon might produce, there are horrible downsides. users, he says, can become psychotic, brain damaged and get addicted to the drug for years to come. brian todd, cnn, washington. let's bring in cnn military analyst lieutenant colonel rick francona. they say captagon gives you a feeling of well-being and euphoria. how powerful is this drug? >> it's very powerful. and because of that, it's widespread used throughout the middle east. it's very addicting. it's been there for a long time. much of the drug problem in saudi arabia uses this particular compound of drug. but to see it in use in the fighting ranks of isis, it has
its good sides and bad sides. yes, you can stay awake. you can go without food for a long time. these are qualities you want to have on a battlefield. the downside is, you do stupid things when you're on this drug. you expose yourself. someone using this drug fighting a trained army really is at a disadvantage. >> that's an interesting takeaway. do you think isis fighters are using it? >> well, we're getting anecdotal evidence that they are. and that would explain some of the characteristics that we see in their fighting because they seem to have no regard for their own personal safety. if you look at fighting, 3 or 400 isis fighters were able to hold off thousands of iraqis and it's like they never slept and the iraqis remarked about how these guys were never tired. maybe they were using some sort of drug or pharmaceutical. but use of drugs on a battlefield is not new. >> when you say they would be at
a disadvantage, obviously in that one battle it seems like it might have helped them. >> it helped them because they were fighting at a really not a very effective force. but if you put an isis unit up against a well-trained turkish unit, kurdish unit and an american unit, western armies, they would really be at a disadvantage because they expose themselves and do things that are not militarily sound and you just pick them off as they expose themselves. >> we look at the paris attackers. is this something that they -- obviously we have nothing to indicate that they were on any sort of drugs but something that they could have done? does it at all impact your psyche, your sense of morality or empathy, this drug? >> well, from what i understand, it gives you a sense of euphoria and i don't really attribute any of the characteristics in the video that i saw.
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breaking news tonight, at least one and as many as three of the paris attackers could have slipped through u.s. watch lists and come to the united states. this is fueling already heated debate about how to best protect the united states from a paris-style attack. republican front-runner donald trump under attack tonight because he's refusing to rule out a database of muslims in america. sunlen serfaty is "outfront." >> very simply, we can't take them, folks. >> reporter: it's a debate in the republican party, how to handle the resettle the syrian
revere refugees. issuing muslims special i.d. cards listing their religion and potentially creating a database to register and track all muslims living in the u.s. >> there should be a lot of systems. we should we should have a lot of systems, and, today, you can do it. right now, we have to have a border. we have to have strength. we have to have a wall. we cannot let what's happening to the country -- >> something you would in the white house? >> i would implement that. >> the front runner tweeting he did not suggest a data base, but not dismissing the idea as some of trump's rivals have done. >> those who want to divide and impose tests, religious tests where people go and register, we don't need division, we need to be united. >> you talk about closing mosques. you talk about registering people, that's just wrong. >> even ted cruz in a rare break
with trump. >> i spent the past several decades defending religious liberty. >> ben carson saying that it sets a dangerous precedent to single out one group of people, instead, calling for a data base for every person who enters the u.s. >> i want to everybody to have a data base. i want us to know about anybody who comes into this country. >> that, after raising eyebrows with an inflammatory analogy comparing refugees to rabid dogs. >> if there's a rabid dog in your neighborhood, you're not going to assume something good about that dog. doesn't mean that you hate all dogs. >> cruz, meanwhile, let syria christians into the country, but not all muslims. >> we have to vet everyone coming in, but there's no indication of muslims pretending to be christians coming in the
refugee wave. >> there's polling tonight, tapping into what american voters feel about this, a new poll from the washington post, abc news says majority of americans, 54%, believe the u.s. should not be taking in refugees from syria, and more striking, only 13% of the polls say you have confidence that the u.s. is able to identify terrorists who could be mixed in with those refugees. >> thank you very much. i want to go now to our senior political analyst and editorial director of the national journal, and, ron, great to have you with me on this friday night. >> good evening. >> the muslim data base, ben carson wants a data base of all who come into the united states, something some say makes sense, but making that comment about refugees and dogs, and chris christie not letting orphans in the united states, even those as 5 years old. what do you think of the comments? how are they planned? >> this has been a shocking
destabilizing event that's understandably has americans kind of questioning everything we're doing and whether we are buttoned up as we need to be in security, but when you look at the extreme comments that we are seeing on closing mosques and even though donald trump pulled back without completely renouncing the idea of data bases, he's talked about closing mosques, even before the attack, ben carson said that it would, you know, he did not believe a muslim should be president. what you are seeing, we have to see this reaction to the terrorist attack of this continuation of the argument going on in the republican party for six months, largely around the issue of undocumented imgrants. republicans are basically arguing the world is pressing itself on the u.s. in a way that makes us both economically and from a security point of view less safe. i think this is really an acceleration and intensification of that basic argument we'll hear for months. >> ron, you know, 54% of americans, 54%, are opposed to the united states accepting refugees from syria, or anywhere
else in the middle east, even if they are screened. that -- that is a pretty strong split. >> yes. >> that's not just from syria, but anywhere in the middle east, and even if nay are screened. >> yeah, no, look, there's a lot of anxiety. you had the poll number up recently from the abc post, this is the highest level of concern about a terrorist attack with only one exception since 9/11. i think the american public is, you know, clearly asking whether we are, you know, with all the defenses are in place. i point out it's a long way from saying we're questioning admitting syria refugees to the public saying they would support closing mosques or establishing a data base or registry. those are proposals beyond what's in the debate right now. >> of course, many believe they are deeply un-american, a country founded upon giving people the ability to practice their faith freely. >> this is going to be a central -- this is shaping up to be the central point of debate in the electionment look across a whole series of issues,
undouchlted immigration, now the syria refugees, and for that matter, the black lives matter movement, and you have democrats basically arguing tolerance, inclusion, and diversity serves our value and interest, and on all issues, more argue that democrats are making us unsafe about making us protect interests of people who may not have your best interest at heart. that argument not seen in american politics since the early 1990s is consistently emerging, and this has turbo charged it. >> amazing. of course, you're seeing it in france. they value freedom, liberty, right, equality, and yet they are now in the state of emergency. they can take anyone in for questioning, no reason, they are racial profiling. i saw it at the train station, and people are absolutely fine with it. thanks so much to you, ron. we'll be right back. glad i could help you plan for your retirement. alright, kelly and promise me that you'll try that taco place on south street. and we have portfolio planning tools
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good evening from paris. a major new development in the terrorist attacks here in the man hunt that followed and is underway. state run belgium, reporting authorities raised a terrorist alert level from brussels to the maximum warning of, quote, imminent threat in the capital region. joining us now, terrorism analyst, and it was just two days ago, hfs raised to the second highest level. this is a dramatic turn of events, now at the top possible level. what's that mean? >> it's unprecedented. it's never been at level four signifying a serious and imminent danger of terrorists