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hate snaus that's h hate you? he says look we either got to go all in or just stay the heck out. keep the tweets coming @smerconish. i'll see you next week. hello and welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm poppy harlow joining you live tonight from paris. this is our special continuing coverage of the aftermath of the tragic terror attacks. we begin in brussels where it is 1:00 in the morning and the city is on lockdown because of the quote, serious and imminent possibility of a paris style terror attack there. that warning coming directly from the belgian government as it raised the terror threat level to maximum. the fear is that individuals with weapons and explosives could target multiple locations at once. also new tonight french media
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reporting the suicide bomber who died alongside of the ring leader of the attacks here in paris in the raid on wednesday of not known to police, was not even on their radar and very concerning. in the meantime there have been four new arrests made in connection with the attacks in paris today. three men arrested in turkey including one suspected of scouting target sites for the paris attacks. the fourth suspect was detained in a neighborhood of brussels same neighborhood used as a home base to some of the attackers here in paris. let's bring in cnn international senior correspondent who is live for us in brussels this evening. how are people there responding? it's a saturday night. but it is anything but normal given this heightened terror threat. >> reporter: well, most of the bars which normally would be still spilling people out on to their pavement on a saturday evening in brussels are either shut earlier or pretty much empty. we've been watching buses come past this extraordinary eerie
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area completely empty other than drivers. it really is so surreal to see in this a european capital city at the weekend. but this is the reality here in belgium. there are two real concerns, the belgium government is dealing with. there's the ongoing aftermath of the paris attack and the threads that led here to brussels but also to a quiet suburb of brussels which is the nexus of much of the organization of this paris attack. then there's this serious and imminent threat as the belgian prime minister calls it. this concern that a paris style attack was in the offing here in belgian. the belgian government's response has been to reinfor the streets across the capital here in the center we saw police officers moving through traffic with flash lights looking into those cars, clearly looking for specific individuals. they were flashing those flash lights straight through those
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windows. there's a real sense of heightened tension, and in other parts of belgian where the tlor threat level has not been raised people are telling us in other cities that they are choosing to stay home tonight as well. >> understandably so. thank you very much for that report live from brussels for us tonight. let's talk about this withgram wood a contributing editor for "the atlantic" and kimberly is with me. you wrote an article that's renowned at this point in "the atlantic" called "what isis really wants" and you delved into this machine. does the coordination of the attack here in paris, six targets these men went totally undetected. does it suggest that isis' ability has change snood isis' strategy has certainly changed. they've been talking for a long time about having attacks on places like paris, london, new york. she showed images of the eiffel
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tower falling down from the g.i. joe movie and said we'll do that. for a long time they have been telling their supporters from france come to syria, fight here. now they seem to want to reverse that tide. they want to send them back and have them attack on what they used to call the far enemy, paris. >> you know, what we've heard so much about is the fact that this response has to be global, it has to be coordinated, not just the united states and it's western allies, you need have turkey, you need to have saudi arabia, you need the middle east really invested in this. i know the assistant attorney general said to you more than 20 countries including turkey had toughened their laws, taking legal action against these suspected militants but then today we see three men arrested in turkey, one of them potentially was the one who was here in paris scouting out the sites for them to terrorize last friday night. how would you rate turkey's ability to deal with these guys? >> well, turkey is over
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stretched right now. their security services are trying to police a border that has a constant flow back and forth of both would be isis fighters and also other fighters from the region, also trying to police their own cities against terrorist threat. and trying to handle a flow of refugees that's traversing the country, trying to go to europe. that's a lot of different streams to watch out for. for a country that has acknowledged having trouble just keeping up with the pace. in paris, if in france some of the top intelligence agencies in the world couldn't keep track of the 800 people including some of the terror suspects that carried out the paris attacks, if they couldn't keep track of them, then in turkey you can't expect them to either and yet the stakes are so high. >> absolutely. graham, you write in your
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article that, our failure to appreciate the essential differences between isis and al qaeda has led to dangerous decisions. in light of what has unfolded in the last seven days here what do you mean by that? >> well, you know, in some ways the differences between al qaeda and isis seem to be a bit smaller. isis used to tell al qaeda in the jihadist forums they used to say your strategy is a bad one. what has it gotten you. you invaded in afghanistan u-lost your territory. now it looks like isis, if it really did sanction these attacks and plan them and provision them from the very top then maybe it's changed it top. maybe they decided holding territory is something that's not it's only goal and want a much stronger emphasis on these other attacks that it just gave lip service for before, which is attacks on western targets and spectacular attacks at that. >> poppy, if i could jump in on
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that. >> that's a great and -- absolutely kimberly. it's a very important points because rightly we heard the president say, president obama just over a week ago isis is contained. what he meant is on the battlefield in iraq and syria. kimberly, it's much broader than that now? >> they seem to have adopted this franchising method that is wildly successful, probably more successful than they expected. and they are copying an old terrorist tactic. in egypt back in the early '90s the islamic jihad learned to survive against the egyptian secret police by giving all of its different cells greater autonomy saying here's the overall plan, you got the skills, go forth. and so isis is doing that on a much grander scale telling these various different branches sign up with us, you know what we want to bring about, you know your territory, and you can probably better find people in
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your area to carry out these things. the scary thing would be when they get skilled people like that in place in somewhere like the united states. at this point, they've only had the kind of one off attacks that are fairly amateurish. that's the part that scares me when they manage to get the right personnel in place in washington, d.c. at this point it doesn't seem like they've managed that. >> all right. >> i would add to that. >> to do exactly what they did here in paris. go ahead, graham. >> what kimberly just said is exactly right. i would add to that there are signs of the way that isis reacted to these attacks that suggest that parts of isis were actually not even aware they were happening. things like the way that they were avowed, the way the propaganda machine was kicked into gear. in a really hasty way. that suggests that, yes, the organization has a significant
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amount of autonomy at its perry fer -- periphery. we may not see a shifted in strategy but an automaticization of the group that could act ayo a -- autonomously. a trip was supposed to center around maritime security and south china sea. his first order of business addressing the deadly jihadist hostage situation in mali. jim, we know the president had a long planned visit here to a refugee center. he went there today. what else is he saying that stand out the most? >> reporter: that's right.
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you know he's trying to seek this very tricky balancing act, at one point saying here that the u.s. will be relentless in the pursuit of terrorists around the world, going after isis but at the same time he's calling on americans to show compassion to the thousands of syrian refugees that he's determined to allow inside the united states despite the opposition from members of both parties on capitol hill. the president visited a refugee center here in kuala lumpur outside of this asean summit that's taking place and the president sat down with these little children who have been fleeing persecution in countries like somalia, sudan, myanmar, many of these children are muslim. and the president put his arm around these kids to make the case that the u.s. should be as he called it a beacon of hope to refugees around the world and here's more of what the president had to say. >> when we talk about american leadership, american leadership
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is us caring about people who have been forgotten or who have been discriminated against or who have been tortured or have been subject to unspeakable violence or separated from families at very young ages. that's american leadership. that's when we're the shining light on the hill. not when we respond on the basis of fear. >> reporter: now, of course, that last line there about not responding on the basis of fear that's aimed directly at people like donald trump other republican candidates in the race for the white house who the white house feels has been trying to play on people's fears around the country, this talk of a muslim database and track being muslims in their mosques. the president and white house officials say there will be none of that during an obama administration. but at the same time, poppy, the question becomes politically for this president is he matching the moment that people are
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feeling back in the united states, people if you look at the latest polls are very fearful of a terrorist attack like what happened in paris on u soil. the president will be asked about that later today. he'll be holding a press conference at kuala lumpur as he wraps up this overseas trip. he has this task lying ahead of him as he returns to washington. he's scheduled to meet with french president francois hollande at the white house on tuesday. as you know the french president has been calling for all out war against isis. the president is taking a much more cautious approach. he wants to continues that bombing campaign while at the same time avoiding a ground war in the middle east. >> he is. he's asking on congress to vote on that authorization for use of military force. we'll see if we see action on that. the latest "the washington post" abc poll shows 54% of americans don't want syrian refugees to come in to this country at least right now. jim acosta thank you very much.
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we'll have much more of our coverage live here from paris straight ahead.
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. welcome back to our live coverage from paris this evening where it is just after 1:00 in the morning and authorities are still trying to learn more about a woman at the center of all of this. hasna ait, we're investigating the 26-year-old woman who died in wednesday's raid in a suburb
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of paris, saind-denis. these were the last words of hasna ait boulahcen. earlier police said the 26-year-old he did detonated an explosives vest as police closed in. but now forensic teams say the bomb was triggered by either the alleged ring leader booed or the other so far unidentified suspect killed in the operation. investigators are now struggling to understand how a young woman described as modern and fun-loving veered to the path of this deadly terror network. until a few weeks ago she lived here with her family. police brought her mother and brother in for questioning on thursday. we're in the neighborhood where hasna was living. it's a rough neighborhood at the best of times. but even as we approached her
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building we were threatened by her neighbors. at her old high school at the local market many knew the family but none would talk to us on camera. by the dance school she once attended one vendor claimed to have dated her and described her as a party girl who liked to drink and smoke. local pharmacist described her as a normal modern young woman. the mayor of the town where she moved as a teenager said she had a chaotic upbringing. >> translator: she's a girl a bit crazy. loved life. a girl that has very little to do with islam. she never practiced the faith. when i see this about her, everything that happened on sunday, that's what really surprised me. she was a girl who had nothing to do with islam. so that image of her is the opposite because she didn't represent islam. >> but investigators still don't know how she became so deeply involved with the ring leader abdelhamid abaaoud.
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and why she was there on that fateful night the police closed in. thank you very much for that look at her. we'll talk more about it. author of "in the land of invincible women." thank you for being here. what's fascinating building on what was said we now know that the ring leader, abdelhamid abaaoud actually used social media in spain to specifically target after women. why are women falling into this trap? >> i think there are some reasons similar to men going into this and some separate. women like men are falling into the seduction of pursuing a fictional narrative of regaining or rebuilding their idea of honor, of what they think isis lamm by combatting violent jihad which is false. but we know from research by some of the world's leading scholars an israeli scholar also
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author of the smarter bomb and female suicide bombers they have lives populated by loss, failure, bereavement and childlessness. things will become clearer as we see the motives of this suicide bomber. it's multifactorial. >> and people are less likely. >> women are seen as life giving, seen as mothers and rearing children. that she could make herself an agent of zet alien. we have to remember and i said this i'm sure before that our fascination with the gender of the suicide bomber should probably be much less emphasized than the entire movement of jihadist of this nature. we had female suicide bomber in pakistan, in russia, the black widows. >> not just suicide bomber. they actually now french authorities said they don't
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believe she blew herself you but rather she was killed when someone next to her blew himself up. but i digress, it's the same points of being involved in this jihad movement. you're at a conference here that's why you're in paris to discussion on many of these issues. i wonder what stands out to you most as people talk about the future. it's actually for the 6 million muslims that live in france. >> i think that there's a great deal of anxiety which i think is a appropriate. i was here with the council of europe in strasburg at a meeting discussing balance and control. many people afraid that the pressures from jihadism are going to somehow change french democracy. the president of the council of europe said very ominously and words that hunt me jihadists will never take way our democracy but we can take away our own democracy. >> you mentioned because of the
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three month surveillance. >> and france is considering and i can't verify this but the feeling that france may want to create an exceptional justice system for these perpetrators rather like the model we have had in the issue of guantanamo. people are afraid that this may be one of the repercussions and how that would could relate with france's democratic values. >> many of those killed by extremists, you know, extremists are muslims. >> yes. that's right. including people lost in the theater. they represent ad demographic portion of muslim just like in france. to ordinary muslims who i have seen during my trip there are concerns there will be rising discrimination. they informed me, french professional passes that already before "charlie hebdo" there were some barriers that french muslims could perceive. now they feel after these actions it will be hard for their children to rent apartment, have equal opportunities in employment, or end generally looked upon with
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suspicion. additionally french muslims who are very, very much culturally and by birth french are concerned like all the other french citizens i've talked about about the rise in national front party and the fact that she wants to seek a bunker mentality, isolationist, disconnected from europe. >> we'll see what happens in the december elections. she's certainly doing well and this has rallied support behind her. thank you very much. live in paris this evening. i want to point you to something very special on tuesday night here on cnn at 9:00 p.m. a cnn special report "targeting terror inside the intelligence war" that will be brought to by our chief national security expert jim sciutto only here on cnn. we're back live in paris next.
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now to a story we've been
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following all week. a father trying to ease the mind of his 6-year-old son in the wake of last week's terror attack in paris by telling him they have guns but we have flowers. the conversation was seen around the world after a french television crew recorded it and posted it on facebook. cnn anderson cooper sat down with that father and son. >> what did you tell brandon? how did you explain to it him because that's something that many people here have been trying to out how to tell their kids about it. >> you have to come to a place for sure to people. we love them too and we don't forget them. and he know these people died. so i said to him maybe the best way to make him understand is bring him to the place and explain it to him. >> what was it like, brandon, to see all those people there and the flowers and the candles?
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what did you think? >> i love the flowers. le >> what kind of flowers do you like? do you like pink ones or white ones? yellow? >> i love blue ones. >> the blue ones. were there lots of candles also? >> yeah. >> yeah. did you understand why people were there? >> yeah. [ speaking foreign language ]
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>> do you want to stay in france, brandon? you said before maybe you wanted to go somewhere else. [ speaking foreign language ]
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[ speaking foreign language ] >> there's flowers every where. you're very brave. very smart. [ speaking foreign language ] >> thank you. >> thank you. >> pretty amazing conversation. wow. anderson, thank you so much for that. we'll take a quick break. much more live from paris next. it gives you coverage options based on your budget.
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possibility of a paris style terror attack. that warning coming from the belgian government as it raised the terror threat level to maximum. the fear that individuals with weapons and explosives could target multiple locations there at once. also new tonight french media reporting that the suicide bomber who died alongside the mastermind of the terror attack in that raid in saind-denis was not known to police. that's very concerning to them and in the meantime there have been four new arrests in connection with the attacks here in paris, three men arrested in turkey including one suspected of scouting out the target sites for the attacks here and a fourth arrested in brussels in the same neighborhood used as a home base to some of the paris attackers. as the debate over whether or not the united states should accept syrian refugees rages on, there is one small town outside of atlanta, georgia where refugees are not only accepted
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they are welcomed with open arms. it is perhaps the most diverse square mile in america as fully half the town's residents are foreign born. cnn nick valencia reports. >> reporter: poppy, the process for a refugee to resettle can be a long one especially if they are coming to the united states. in some cases could take up to two to three years. we traveled to a community about 30 minutes outside of atlanta where thousands of refugees have resetled in recent years including dozens of syrians. local i spoke to say it couldn't be working out better. it's friday and the refugee coffee truck in clarkston, georgia is in the middle of its morning rush. behind the counter a collection of culture. the three baristas all refugees. each one from a different part of the world. she arrived to the united states two months ago from syria.
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leon is from congo. and the last one was born in ethiopia. >> in the job training we are sharing our language. he's from ethiopia. so it's nice. we're like family. >> reporter: clarkston is the most die swers square mile in the country after it was singled out as a good place for refugees to reset all generation ago. of the nearly 8,000 people who live here, more than half are foreign born. native born residents like kitty murray not only like it that way but opening businesses to make sure it stays that way. six months ago she started refugee coffee. >> i don't think we could do what we do if there weren't other groups assimilating refugees and working with them. >> david is welcoming them.
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>> reporter: mckenzie played the biggest role. she helps thousands of refugees in the city transition into american life. >> in the early days about 25 years ago when clarkston began to change people were not welcoming refugees with open arms and it has been a long evolution of people to see the benefits of truly diverse multicultural community. >> reporter: just around the corner at the local mosque afternoon prayers. the topic of the lecture, how to be nice to your neighbor. appropriate for the city known to locals as the ellis island of the south. in fact, the majority of those here are refugees. he's now a u.s. citizen. >> you think refugees are treated well in clarkston? >> i'm happy yes. >> how long have you been there >> two years. >> reporter: the mayor says one of his missions is to keep the city diverse. >> it's great way for us to show the true principles of america and we are a welcoming nation, we're always been a nation of immigrants. >> reporter: clarkston is a town
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that counts on that. of course there are critics but the majority of those voices have either moved away or died of simply because they are an older generation. now the new city leaders are younger and more progressive generation and those horse moving to clarkston do so intentionally to be around a refugee community. poppy? >> fascinating report. thank you very much. the discussion over whether the united states should accept thousands more syrian refugees made its way before congress this week. on thursday the house pass ad bill to suspend the program right now that allows those refugees into the united states pending security upgrades. 47 democrats voted in favor of this bill. it was proposed by republican congressman richard hudson. i spoke with him a short time ago on the ram. i asked him what is it about the current vetting process that he wants to see changed. >> what the fbi director said in his testimony before congress was we can't properly vet these folks because if they haven't
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done anything to rise to the level to attract our attention so we put them in our government databases his quote was we can check until the cows come home and nothing will show up and what he said was that because you can't check with third parties in syria, because in a normal background check you go knock on a neighbor's door, go talk to people who knew hem, check with former employers,er with can't do that in syria because that neighborhood has been bombed out. that former business doesn't exist. because of the fbi director's concern all the house of representatives are saying let's pause until we can put a process in place so american people can feel assured that we know who these folks are that are coming in. >> president obama, for his part, said if this bill makes it past the senate he'll veto it. coming up you don't want to miss "terror in mumbai." it airs at 9:00 p.m. eastern followed by "terror at the
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. every day isis urges young men and women to give up their lives and to join the terrorist organization. they run a very powerful propaganda machine on social media. let's talk it over with former jihadist turned counterterrorism operative. thank you for being with me. and right now as i sit here in paris in the middle of the night the eighth attacker salah abdeslam salah abdeslam is still on the run. listen to a mother and what she told me earlier. >> they are spending a lot of time and resources on focusing on our youth, developing a relationship. so they take the time to connect with them, surrounding them 24/7. building those relationships.
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manipulating them the, their motivations. answering their difficult questions. we're not intercepting our youth, not mentoring our youth, not guiding our youth and not spending our resources on them. >> you see her son right there and she told me about instead of being hopeful when her son started practicing islam that he was turning his life around and then he just went off the rails. what is it about isis as a recruitment machine that's so powerful? >> yeah. this is a problem for, especially parents whose kids are in maybe an experimental phase, trying to figure out what their purpose is in life. could it be because of the friends and what maybe they are proslytizing about islam. nonmuslim parents see this as a phase they want to be respectful but at the same time it's a real
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concern for them. you know, even in my time when i was, you know, from '952001 when i was involved in these extremist groups we did the same thing. we looked for converts especially who were alienated from their parents, may have been kicked out of their homes and looking for new peer groups and a new sense of belonging. for a lot of these young people they don't fit with their parents, other older people in the community. could be imams who are 20 years older than them, may not speak english properly. don't know the popular culture in which they live. these are things youth are very confused and will latch on to whoever gives treatment sense of meaning and belonging. >> what drew you in, and what do you think parents specifically can do to counter this? >> i was drawn into it by an acute identity crisis. i wasn't deprived. i wasn't picked on.
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i wasn't bullied. i wasn't a victim of racism. for me i was being told i wasn't a good enough muslim and i interpreted that in my mind as okay i need to be religious, quote unquote. for a lot of muslims especially young muslims the pressure into thinking they have to keep a full bear, they have to wear robes effectively, dressing like the prophet or the companions. and what happens is it makes them alienated because once you start dressing like that and it's really not -- it's still strange for people to see that kind of dress it actually enforces, reinforces that sense much isolation and alienation. what i would tell parents find the right islam. it's not difficult to find. you'll find many muslim scholars, mainstream muslim scholars condemn isis and condemn these extremist interpretations.
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koran teaches justice. the idea is to be just to people. you'll find many scholars like this online and in the real world. >> absolutely. thank you so much hearing from you and your personal experience. a critical at a time like this. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up tonight at 8:00 eastern right after this program we will take you deep inside isis, who are these terrorists, what do they want, "blind sided" a fareed zakaria special report. we're back in a moment.
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as this beautiful and remarkable city tries to recover, the people who witnessed the attacks here one week ago are having a very hard
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time coming to terms with what they saw and what they heard. but the attacks actually brought one french man back here to his homeland. martin savage reports from paris. >> reporter: to measure the mood in pair a week after the attacks i could have gone anywhere in the city. i went to the american kitchen partly for its name, mostly for its view. it stares directly down the treat two other restaurants that are charred, bullet riddled materials. >> i remember the moment when the people shoot. >> reporter: khloe was waitressing that terrible night. what others mistook for fireworks she knew it was not. >> i said no shooting. you have to go >> you have to go in. at this moment i felt like, i don't know, an animal.
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i just sink with the fear and you just want to escape. >> she now has trouble sleeping and even when awake has trouble with what she saw and what she knows. >> the terrorist car just passed. >> reporter: just came by here? >> yes, just came by here twice. and it could have been me, it could have been my friends. i don't know. >> reporter: i share a table with olivier. he is french but recently proudly became an american. >> i was in new york on 9/11 soy i experienced that as well. >> reporter: after paris's 11/13, he had to come back to the city. in defiance, he sits outside in the dark, drinking a bottle of
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wine and eating a cheeseburger, taking a stand. >> i am american and french and this is my life and there's no way anyone is going to change that. >> they gather in the doorway silently looking down the street. it is the moment exactly one week later. you see in all their faces, like it or not, they are forever changed. >> reporter: there is no question about it, the city is forever changed. as we sit here together in front of the arc de triomphe, the champs elysees lit up, the whole purposeidaritysolidarity. go out, see a concert, go out
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have a meal, have a drink. this is your way to stand up against those who did this a week ago. >> the government said stay inside. they said no way. >> these people refuse to be cowed by what has happened in this beautiful city. >> and for that they absolutely win. beautiful report marty savage. thank you so much. we appreciate it. we will have much more of our coverage of the terror attacks from paris straight ahead. stay with us. (patrick 1) what's it like to be the boss of you? (patrick 2) pretty great. (patrick 1) how about a 10% raise? (patrick 2) how about 20? (patrick 1) how about done? (patrick 2) that's the kind of control i like... ...and that's what they give me at national car rental. i can choose any car in the aisle i want-
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better protect their parents. jean casarez reports. >> these drugs are still used by perpetrators but the challenge is to figure it out. >> brown university is warning students to be alert after a student tested positive for the day rape drug ghb. >> a local community is in shock. >> criminals are using ambien as a daet rape drug. >> often the tests come up negative. why? >> the timing of the testing is critical. the time that you get the sample is very, very important.
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>> reporter: forensics toll -- toxicologist dr. richard stripp. >> you may experience loss of consciousness and even death. today the most common are sedatives or hypnotic drugs like ambien, and small amounts combined with alcohol can be extremely potent. so why are so few people locked up? because date rape drugs, critical evidence for prosecutors, can leave the system rapidly in just several days. >> it may be at the point where the drug is not detectable. >> according to a 2008 review
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article for michigan state university, for every 100 rape cases reported, only one third are referred to prosecutors and just seven will end with a prison sentence. >> there a number of very serious challenges. >> former new york sex crimes prosecutor says prosecution is very difficult. >> they're often not able to get up to recover in time to get themselves to a medical facility for the proper exam to see if drugs are still in the system. >> but that's not the on challenge. the drugs can cause amnesia, so many times a victim can't remember what happened. police then need to build the case without the memory of their star witness. >> they have to go back, find the bartender. no, i only gave her one beer, that's all she had the whole night to drink. we're trying to take it out of the voluntary intoxication. >> with a lack of evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, there is no case. >> so the importance of this
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evidence, the drug, is really critical. >> contract call. absolutely critical. >> i don't believe you can make a claim of rape and have a conviction result without the toxicology. >> toxicologists tell us just because a screening shows no drugs in an alleged victim's system, it doesn't mean she wasn't assaulted. >> jean, thank you very much for that. alison camarota will explore all


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