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six days a week. usually around 5:00, maybe 6:00 every day. cnnmoney.com/media. "state of the union" with jake tapper starts right now. a world on edge. an international manhunt underway for the surviving terrorists and new fears that it is not over yet. what might isis have planned for america? plus, the heated battle over syrian refugees. >> to bring them into this country is suicide. i call it the trojan house. you can't do it. >> republicans attack the president's plan to take in thousands of syrians. >> he sees the world as he likes to see it as a fantasy. i see the world as it really is. >> republican presidential candidate chris christie joins us live. >> then president obama unleashed. >> what i'm not interested in
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doing, pursuing some notion of american leadership, america winning or whatever slogan they come up. >> president obama's syria strategy. his former defense secretary will be here for an exclusive interview. and the top political minds with insights on what it means if are the country and the campaign. hello. i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of the union is on high alert. police on the hunt for at least one of the paris attackers who escaped in belgium warning its citizens of a, quote, sirius and imminent threat to the capital brussels suspending subway services and telling people not to go near the train station or the airport. the u.s. embassy has told americans to shelter in place at home. president obama this morning said he's determined to prevent an isis attack on u.s. soil.
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>> i think that the american people are right to be concerned and to expect that we in the government and in law enforcement are doing everything we can to disrupt terrorist attacks, to intercept intelligence that may lead us to individuals who are willing to carry out these attacks. >> president obama spent the week battling critics to saying his plan to accept refugees puts the united states in danger. one of the critics new jersey governor chris christie. he joins me live now. governor christie, thanks for joining us. a lot of people are afraid, they're looking for answers on how to defeat isis. i want you to take a listen to what your frontrunner of your party, donald trump, had to say this week. [ inaudible question ] >> there should be a lot of systems. we should have a lot of systems.
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and today, you can do it. i want surveillance of certain mosques, okay? if that's okay. i will quickly and decisively bomb the hell out of isis. >> how are you going to be different from your party's frontrunner? >> first off, jake, what we'll talk about on tuesday is an approach that's based in my experience. i'm the only person in this race who has actually done this before. i was united states attorney for seven years in new jersey and immediate aftermath of september 11, brought two of the most major terrorism cases this country has ever known. i know what we did this summer was wrong. i said it was wrong at the time. it's being proven to be wrong. when we cut back on the nsa's metadata collection program and has been destroying the morale of our intelligence officers.
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we need to rebuild the program and the morale of our intelligence. we need to support law enforcement which this administration has not been doing. and the fbi director himself said there's a chill through law enforcement. we need to do all of those things first and foremost to protect the homeland. the number one job of the president of the united states is protect the safety and security of the american people. it's not an option. it's a right. that's what we're focussed on. >> you said yesterday in new hampshire this campaign changed eight days ago. but trump and ben carson still in the lead in a national poll. take look at this new poll. donald trump way out in front, 32%. ben carson 22%. how has this campaign changed? why do you think it's your time as opposed to the frontrunner donald trump? >> well, listen, what i'm saying, jake, i can feel on the ground here in new hampshire.
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the questions in town hall meetings. i did two yesterday are different. they're focussed on national security. and how we're going to protect our homeland. and i think you're going to see that ultimately reflected in the polls that people want to see someone who has experience and knows how to do this. in charge of our party and our country. >> new york mayor bill de blasio went after you hard for saying you don't want to accept any syrian refugees not even orphans under 5. take a listen to the mayor. >> governor christie specifically said he didn't think it was appropriate for small children to be brought in. is this what he wants to see happen to people? is this what he wants to see happen to children? >> i don't know if you have seen the clip. it's mayor de blasio holding up a clip of that iconic dead syrian little boy on the beach. does a 5-year-old orphan need to be vetted? senator rubio said if it's a 5-year-old child it's pretty easy to vet. >> as murders rise 11% in new york city, as the commissioner of police in new york says that
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homelessness and vagrants on the streets continue to rise to new high levels, believe me. mayor de blasio should worry more about trying to get something done in the city of new york to make it safer than he should worry about criticizing anybody else. frankly, given the way he's talking and not worried about the security and the safety of the people of new york, maybe he should be mayor of damascus >> well, i understand you're taking issue with how he's running new york city. but let's turn to his argument. which is we've seen the compelling images of people who are obviously not isis terrorists. little children and their moms. why are they dangerous to the united states to take them in? why should the united states not be helping these desperate people? >> first of all, jake the fbi director said they can't vet the folks. secondly, we had a woman wearing an explosive vest in paris who
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blew herself up when approached by police this week. i don't understand the distinction, frankly. what we need to do is to protect the homeland first, jake. >> i think police actually -- >> there's no way to vet these folks. >> the police have said as they've studied that crime scene further she was not wearing a suicide vest. although her role with the terrorists is still unknown. let me ask you about 75 syrian refugees have already settled in your home state of new jersey since the start of the year according to new data from the state department. should they be ousted from your state? >> jake, what should have been happened is we should have been informed and we were not. this is part of the problem with this administration. they're an imperial administration that just decides they're going to place people in individual states and not even inform the state of government of the fact they have done it. that information is just recently released. and they're placing them through nongovernmental organizations and not giving any information to the state governments until just recently when we demanded them and there was public pressure on them to do that.
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and so the fact is we should have these folks vetted and vetted well. the fbi director said they cannot be vetted. this is not me saying. it's the president's own fbi director saying it. and so the president needs to get his story straight in washington, d.c., then he get folks political appointees to write whatever letters they want to the governors. the fbi director testified before congress. >> he said he had serious concerns about the legislation that passed the house of representatives which blocked syrian and iraqi refugees. what do you think about these 75 syrian refugees in your home state? will you pursue a plan to oust them from your state or is it okay that they're there? >> jake, what we're going to do and what we should be doing as a country is to set up a no-fly
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zone in syria and set up a safe haven in syria so the folks don't have to leave their home in the first place. this is something that the president created. his failure to enforce his red line, his invitation for russia to come in syria. his inaction as the crisis spiralled out of control created this crisis. now he wants the american people to absorb this crisis that he created. he should set up no-fly zone in syria and a safe zone for them to be able to stay inside their own country. this is not an issue we should have to address inside the united states. >> in the wake of the paris attacks, democrats arguing if you -- not you but someone on the terror watch list, they shouldn't be able to buy a gun according to the government accountability office over the past decade, suspected terrorists exploited a loophole more than 2,000 times. you signed legislation to close the loophole in new jersey if you're on one of the watch lists you cannot purchase a gun in new jersey. do you support diane feinstein's legislation to do this nationwide? >> i think these are state-by-state determinations
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jake and they should made state by state. >> they said this week, the u.s. should create a new government agency to promote jew day yow christian values around the world. some people think it would violate the separation between church and state. what do you say? >> i don't think that's something we need to do. i want to see a nation that continues to say we want you to practice your religion and vigorously. as long as you practice it peacefully and you're not trying to impose your values on anybody else you should be able to practice the way you want. i don't think we need another government agency. i don't think we need to add more layers to the bureaucracy to this government and add more expenses. so no, that's not something i would favor. >> two days ago i interviewed the president's special envoy to the coalition to fight isis. i asked him about the air campaign about isis and he acknowledged we're careful about civilian endangerment. do you think as commander in
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chief that rules should be changed even if it puts civilians at risk more? >> isis doesn't seem to be concerned about civilian casualties, jake. we need to get real and bring our allies together and revise rules of engagement to take an isis in a significant and direct way that will be effective. obviously the president is wrong when he said on thursday of last week that isis was contained. the next day the attacks started in paris. so this administration has no credibility in giving us any type of assessment of how this is going. we have the attacks in mali now. he said al qaeda was on the run. obviously that's wrong as well. he said our borders were secure. that's wrong. this president has been wrong. when i think back on this administration, the way i think of president obama is often wrong but never in doubt. >> governor chris christie, we'll see you on the campaign trail, sir. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, jake. looking forward to it.
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we would like to note we invited the obama administration to provide us with a guest to discuss paris, the refugee crisis. the obama administration declined. he warned the white house about the rise of isis as he was leaving office. can the administration prevent more attacks such as paris? chuck hagel is here for an exclusive interview. that's next. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one.
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feel lighter and more energized. ultimate flora. more power to your gut. welcome back to "state of the union." french president francois hollande will visit the white house tuesday to meet with president obama in the wake of the paris terrorist attacks. speaking from turkey this week, president obama sundayed a bit irritated by critics of his current isis strategy. >> folks want to pop off and have opinions about what they think they would do, present a specific plan. if they think that somehow their advisors are better than the chairman of my joint chiefs of staff and the folks who are actually on the ground, i want to meet them. we can have that debate. >> one of those advisors and somebody who had been on the ground was former secretary of defense chuck hagel who wrote a secret memo to the national
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security advisor laying out his concerns about the white house's strategy in syria. hagel announced his resignation the following month. scare hagel joins me right now. thank you for doing this. i know you've been reluctant to criticize the president. what was in that memo in which you expressed your concerns how the administration was handling syria? >> jake, thank you. nice to see you again. let me begin this way. first, i think everyone understands what we are up against in the world today. isis and all the different elements of terrorism and dynamics and historic differences and challenges and threats is complicated. let's start there. >> of course. >> and understand that. there are no easy simple solutions regardless of some who appear to have very glib, i think that was the president's point, glib quick solutions. there are none.
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second, i always felt we needed to more clearly define our political strategy along with our military strategy. it's my opinion and certainly the opinion of the former chairman of joint chiefs of staff marty dempsey, he can speak for himself, but it was our opinion there is no military solution to this. we're up against a ideology. we're up against a reality of set of dynamics we have never seen before. sophistication of social media, the military prowess, the tactical strategic prowess that isis has the funding. we should describe what is our political strategy. who is the enemy here? assad? or is isis the enemy? >> do we think we should not have assad on a designated enemy? we should focus on isis? >> assad is a bad guy.
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there are bad guys all over the world. i think it's clear that isis represents the real threat to our country, to the world. i said so 15 months ago in a press conference when i was ask about isis. i said this is a force we've never seen before. because they do represent all the dynamics that we have never confronted before. nonstate actors with tremendous power and reach. assad has to be dealt with. but you can't confuse your allies and adversaries by saying assad must go and we can't deal with him because he's lost legitimacy to rule. and what he's done to his own people. and we'll deal with him later. but we want you on the ground. those opposition groups that we're funding and we're training and we're preparing just to go after isis. they don't see it that way. the turks don't see it quite that way.
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they have a lot of different problems and pressures that are subterranean differences. >> what was your concern when you wrote the memo to the white house? >> my concern was, by the way, i wasn't blaming everybody. we had not clearly defined our political strategy. first, we need to help build a platform of stability before we resolve anything. we can keep killing people. we can keep playing a proxy war game and destroying the middle east and seeing the results of that. refugees and other clear consequences of that kind of an effort, but the russians have got to be part of this. i think the iranians have to be parking lot of it. >> so we need to align ourselves with russia? >> it's not alliance. let's seize on the common interest.
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what is the common threat to all those countries around us? what is the common interest? >> isis. >> isis and you build around that. you build into the next series of steps of assad and so on. i don't think you find a resolution to assad until you figure out dealing with isis and you bring the countries and leaders together on some unification. we have differences with iran for years and years and russia for years. but you can't let the differences dictate or you can't become captive to the differences. let's center on the core threat, the common threat. build out from there. if you can build some platform of stability, that gets you to a point where you can start to maybe unravel some of this. all the countries of the middle east are going to have to be part of this. we can't do it. the military can't do it. the u.s. can't do it. the russians can't do it. western europeans can't do it. what is happening here is completely out of control, and there's no prospect for bringing any kind of stability, i think, on the path we're on now.
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that was what i was talking about in a memo. >> did it fall on deaf ears? >> well, we had conversations about it. >> they disagreed. >> i wouldn't put it that way. as i said, it's difficult. it's one of the issues where there are differences of opinion. that was my opinion. and i -- >> do you think the current strategy to fight isis is working? >> well, the think the strategy in itself is an element of this. but strategy just like we did during world war ii or any war, you're constantly adapting strategy. you're constantly adjusting to what is going on the other side. now remember again this is an element of force we've never quite seen before. then the other part of this, jake, you're dealing with uncontrollables we cannot control. we certainly learned that from iraq. these are dynamics completely outside our ability to change. so when you say strategy, yes, we need a strategy.
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yes, we need a clear policy. >> you say we need a strategy. we don't have a strategy or clear policy now? >> no, we have a strategy. here is the point, again, i go back you're constantly adapting and shifting it. my point has been we need to more clearly define the political strategy along that should the lead the military strategy. putting boots on the ground or special operations forces or the strikes. we started those strikes more than a year ago, and they are part of the strategy. they have to be part of the strategy. building up the military capacity with those who are willing to help in that area. part of the strategy. it has -- that has to be part of the strategy. it must come from a larger overview of what is the larger objective here? >> right. i want to read something from the under secretary for intelligence while you were the secretary of defense. he wrote an op-ed saying the obama strategy for defeating
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isis is not fast enough. by any measure, our strategy in iraq and syria is not succeeding or is not succeeding fast enough. is he right? >> i think he is right. i have immense respect for mike vickers. i worked with him while i was in the senate. we do need to accelerate this. but at the same time president obama has been wise in asking this question. what are we getting into and every time you make a commitment to accelerate. >> right. >> then there are a series of questions that have to come with it. i think our foreign policy over the last many years has never ever really developed a series of then what happens. then what happens, then what happens. you take down saddam hussein. who governs? >> right. >> how are they chosen to
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govern? who makes the decision. those are tough. >> second and third redid yule -- >> yes. we don't do that well. i think mike's points are generally right. >> i want to ask you about the new york times investigating there's an expanding inspector general investigation whether the intelligence reports of iraq and pentagon were cooked to make it look as though the air campaign was doing better than it was and isis was weaker than it is. some of this would have happened while you were at the pentagon. do you know anything about it? what can you tell us? >> no, i don't know anything about it, jake. i think there's always, though, it's a new conflict between our military on the ground versus different intelligence groups. by the way, we have to remember there's more than just one intelligence groups out there. we have 16 independent intelligence agencies and most reside in the pentagon and dod. but there are various attitudes, perceptions. >> we've seen the movie before. policymakers finessing the
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intelligence to make it something that will please the boss. do you think that happens in the obama administration? >> i didn't see it. i was aalert to it. i was aware of it. i was very careful about this. that doesn't mean something couldn't happen below the secretary of defense's office. you can't monitor everything. there is conflict always. i know that. i ask a lot of questions. i know chairman dempsey asks a lot of questions. but this particular issue i'm not aware of it nor did it come up to me. >> chuck hagel, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. don't be a stranger. come back more, please. as isis warns that new york city and washington, d.c., could be next. what are u.s. officials to thwart any attack here? we'll ask the chairman of the house intelligence committee just after the break. ono off-days, or downtime.ason. opportunity is everything you make of it.
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isis has released a new video warning of an impending attack on new york city just days after the terrorists vowed to strike washington, d.c. bill de blasio trying to reassure americans that there is no imminent threat. >> it's important to note there there is no credible and specific threat against new york city. nypd has been working closely with the fbi and other federal partners. again, i repeat there's no specific and credible threat against new york city. >> joining me now is the chairman of the house committee devon noonaz. congressman, thanks for joining us. is that correct? is there no credible threat against the city of new york city of washington or the u.s.? >> no credible threat that we know about, jake. that's the real issue here. because so many of the terrorists have gotten good at operational security. we don't know what we don't know. there's nothing specific except for the threats they're putting
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out there on the internet. so at this point, we have to take everything seriously. >> several terrorists involved were apparently known to u.s. authorities. did the u.s. have any intelligence at all that might have stopped the atrocities? >> no. that's the challenge. so you're exactly right. we did have many of these people identified. but there's so many thousands and thousands of them and they're all over western europe and even in the united states. and then with the technology that they're using today and the rules and the lessons that they've learned through fighting us over the last 15 years, they've gotten very good at hiding from intelligence services across the globe. >> brussels is on a security clamp down now. the threat is deemed serious that the government shut down the subway, urged citizens to not go to the train station or airport. what can you tell us about this threat and why it's being taken so seriously? >> i actually spoke to a friend
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of mine about an hour ago. what they're reporting on the news is that some of the -- local news there is that few of the fugitives, possibly one of the fugitives that was involved in the attack in france they believe he's in belgium somewhere. so they're asking people to stay in place. i think all the public events they closed down. like you said the subway is closed down. so hopefully they can track the belgian authorities can track this fugitive down and bring him to justice. >> the new york times is reporting that the investigation of the pentagon possibly falsifying intelligence reports from iraq about isis is expanding. the accusation being that intelligence officials were saying that the u.s. air campaign was not being as effective and isis was much stronger than everyone thought and that it was being finessed by the time it got to the president or secretary of defense level they were getting reassuring views. have you seen any evidence that
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that's happened? >> well, we are involved in this investigation. we're working closely with the house armed services committee and the defense appropriations committee and we're trying to gather all the facts. so we heard from a lot of whistle blowers and other informants who have given us information. not just related strictly to the latest allegations, jake. these go back for four years, and i'll tell you it's really from the members on the intelligence committee. we travel to many of these countries and we meet with the people on the ground. and it's almost all the time what we hear and see on the ground and when we talk to the folks doing the work and what we see in finish intelligence product, and i think more alarming, what we hear the president and his senior officials saying to the public, it just doesn't jive with what they're saying in public and what we see on the ground. >> what are you seeing on the ground? >> well, specifically you look
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at isis. right. so isis being contained. we didn't go in and go after isis until two reporters got their heads cut off. and then the president said this is our strategy. we challenged the white house and the advisors this looks like a containment strategy. this looks like mission creep. they side no this is not a containment strategy. well, then just a week ago right before the paris attacks the president of the united states goes on and said our containment strategy is working. and you know what we've been saying is if you want to trap down, kill, and defeat isis. if you only have a containment strategy within iraq and syria, you really don't understand the problem. because north africa is full of isis fighters. at the same time you have al qaeda growing in numbers. so the president to have a successful strategy is going to admit they've got it wrong and they need to relook at a larger strategy that deals with north africa, the middle east, all the
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way to afghanistan, pakistan, and then work closely with our nato allies with what appears to be a command and control structure that isis created successfully in europe. >> congresswoman said the u.s. needs to temporarily suspend the visa waiver program between the u.s. and europe that allows europeans just to come into this country without applying for visas. given the attackers, the terrorists were largely europeans not refugees does that make more sense in some ways than what the house passed limiting or blocking really syrian refugees? >> well, what the house passed is definitely needed. because from the information i see and if i was in the shoes of isis or al qaeda, i would definitely try to get people into these types of refugee programs. so the house legislation is needed. i agree there needs to be a longer look at what needs to
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happen in the long run with the visa waiver program and who is allowed to get into the united states. but that's going to take more time. but in the short term we can put in so that the fbi and other intelligence agencies would have to clear who gets into this country. i think it's a very small ask and why the president is opposing it seems a little deaf to me. >> all right house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes. congressman from california. thanks so much. we appreciate it. >> thanks, jake. the campaign trail lights up following the paris attacks. >> i want surveillance of certain mosques. okay? if that's okay. i want surveillance. you know what? we've had it before and we'll have it again. the pursuit of healthier.
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do you think you can prove it? you can't prove it. err on the side of caution. >> that was jeb bush suggesting his plan for sorting syrian refugees out. which ones are christian and which aren't. joining me now is former senator and member of the 9/11 commission bob kerry. congressman marcia blackburn. thank you for being here. i have to ask you, senator, jeb bush and ted cruz saying christian refugees should be taken in because they're being slaughtered and in a more dire straight than others.
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what do you think? >> they're all being slaughtered. isis is killing more muslims than christians at the moment. i think the american concern about security is a real concern. i think there's a way to take refugees in without violating our core principles. there needs to be heightened security. the rhetoric around it is disconcerting. when it comes to killing people, isis is a greater threat to muslims than christians. >> congressman, you supported the house bill basically stopping the flow of refugees in from syria. >> putting a pause on place. >> a few months ago we were taken by the image of the little syrian boy who had drowned and we're saying to his family, i'm sorry you can't come in. >> certainly many of us are concerned about this and rightfully so. many of us belong to churches who have done a tremendous amount of work in this area working with refugee. here is the issue.
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right now it's impossible to vet who is coming out of syria and who is seeking to come. many have falsified documents. we know that. so it's important for us to put a pause in place, be sure the office of refugee resettlement which hasn't filed a report with congress since 2013, so that we know who is coming into this country. right know we don't know. whether it is people coming across the border illegally like the eight two-family units that were syrians caught this week in the laredo sector. >> i don't think they -- >> or it is somebody in honduras. we had six apprehended there. we have the illegal alien and refugee. it comes through orr. orr needs to p halt is until we get protections in place. >> the united states holocaust museum and other jewish groups expressed concern about the legislation.
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a lot of them have cited polling from the era of 1942 gallup poll. should the u.s. government admit 10,000 jewish refugee children from germany. there are those who say this is a false comparison. >> every comparison is legitimate. there was a comparison to the vietnamese 130,000 refugees who arrived after saigon fell. we absorbed that. the problem here and the context here is the president's rhetoric. bob mentioned that the republican rhetoric five words now define the administration. leading from behind. jvs contained. and the problem is the five words add up to failure. nobody trusts the president to process the refugees. we're a welcoming country. 130,000 vietnamese. i talked to ted copple this week. he is the son of german refugees to england. we have an incredible persian
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population. >> in my district. >> so we are very welcoming. this administration has failed and the irs, the va, at every level in syria. no one has confidence they can vet. >> when people talk about defeating isis. what do you think? >> so i think it's important we understand that it is necessary to look at the physical war. of course it's necessary. we need to broaden our sense of what is necessary. looking at the ideological components is essential. we need a strategy that is integrated. we have to look at how people are getting recruited. it's far bigger than isis. the ideological threat is global. is and it's preying upon nearly a billion nonmuslims under the age of 30. you were talking about words. words matter. the refugee crisis and the way we're talking about the issues ricochets around the world, jake. i remember being in cambodia. asking me whether the preacher in gainesville,ed fl sfl, who had 50 people in his church and
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was going to burn the koran. the lexicon, how we talk about ourselves is critical. it's critical to this fight and the larger thing. >> i think also leadership matters tremendously. and our president has shown himself incapable of leading in this fight. this week we had putin and ed s hollande who were leading in the fight against isis, and a president who seems very timid of taking isis and radical muslim extremism on. he can't even say the word. >> senator kerry you know something about war. how many troops do you think it would take to defeat isis? >> it's a difficult question. actually not capable, i imagine. that's the question we should ask. i agree it has to be more than just a physical war. but if it's not a physical war you won't defeat them. you won't take mosul on bombing.
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you just aren't. we didn't win in europe by just bombing. we landed troops. and i think it's going to take an international force to get it done. but that's exactly the question that needs to be asked. that's exactly the question that needs to be answered. and then present the bill. maybe it's too expensive. maybe americans aren't going support it. i don't know. whatever the strategy is, you will not defeat isis without troops on the ground. you're not going to -- >> what do you mean more than 50,000? >> you mean more than 50 special ops. you mean tens of thousands of u.s. troops. >> whatever the number is multiply it by two. don't divide it by two. whatever the number is, multiply it by two and give us the full cost. i think the american people will support it. but it's the only way you're going to defeat them. >> i don't hear a lot of republicans calling for troops to defeat isis. >> i did interviews with republican candidates this week. they're divided about russia
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about the iranian compliment here. lindsey graham is leading the way for a commitment. i think mario rubio is open to that. it will come down to the debate we'll have on december 15th and it will be one of the four key questions. are you for putting for ground troops in coalition? because senator pointed out that's the question. winning is the question now. >> you can't win -- he has to have a strategy, first. >> you have to retake mosul. somebody tell me if you think you can retake them -- >> thank you so much to all of you. i appreciate it. up next a surprise best seller in france this week. what book is selling out in the wake of the terrorist attack? we'll tell you after the black. -- break. ed
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welcome back. paris today is still very much in many ways a city under siege. the ban on public gatherings extended as officials continue to search for one terrorist and possible accomplices. they are fighting back with a signature force. paris is a celebration. that's the french title of hemmingway's classic "a movable feast." copies of the book were left in memorials all across paris last week. it is a best seller in france. the book is an ode to paris. hemmingway's memoir of time spent in its cafes. we ate well and cheaply and slept together warmly and loved each other, he wrote. this woman in an interview that's been widely shared on social medias invoked the book
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as a symbol of frempbl identity. we are an ancient civilization, she says. the city of light felt dark this week, but paris endures. this weekend, they filled the cafes eating and drink in cheerful defiance of the terrorists. if you are lucky enough to have lived in paris as a young man, hemmingway wrote, it stays with you, because paris is a movable feast. >> thanks for spending your sunday morning with us. go to cnn.com/sotu for extras from the show. fareed zakaria, gps, is right now. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on
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this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. this week, a word on edge in the aftermath of the paris attacks. we'll bring you the latest from the investigation and we will talk about the response. how can isis be defeated? how big is the threat now? how seriously should we take the new threats? i have a great panel to discuss all that.

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