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attacks. the belgian prime minister announcing earlier today that possible targets include malls, shops, and public transportation. tomorrow, schools and the subway will remain closed as the security in the capital remains boosted. also french police releasing this photo of one of the suicide bombers, the suspected ones who attacked the paris soccer stadium with a plea for information about who the man may be. what we do know is that he was dropped off at the stadium by this man, now the most wanted man in all of europe. his name, salah abdeslam, and he remains on the lamb. we are getting a clearer pict e picture, though, of how he made his escape. sources telling us that after he dropped off the bombers, he ditched his car 3 miles away in the middle of a cross walk. his brother telling belgian television he believes that
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salah abdeslam changed his mind last minute, decided not to go through with the attack and fled. much more now, tracking every move we have been able to track down. this has been extraordinary, the fact that the best intelligence in the world can't find this man nine days in. given what his brother just told belgian television in the last few hours, he pleaded with his brother to turn himself in, go to jail. what else did he say in. >> he said he thought his brother had had a last-minute change of mind. he felt that he was an intelligent person and saw the futility of what he was meant to do and that he decided to try to get home, basically. >> what we also know is that, you know, you wrote an extensive piece on this on and you say that we've been able day by day to learn a little bit more.
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what do you think the biggest clue is about his movements? >> i think the biggest clue, one of the guys who drove him back to belgium, that saturday morning, said that when they picked up abdeslam in paris at about probably 5:00 in the morning on saturday, he was very, very agitated and ready to blow himself up. those were the words of this guy who helped drive him home to brussels. he was also wearing a really big coat and carrying something really heavy which suggests that he maybe still had a suicide belt with him, that perhaps he was meant to go through with an operation did not. another mystery. for four hours between the end of the attacks when he essentially dumped his car and he was picked up, just off the radar. disappears all together. he's wandering around paris. >> you pose this question at the end of your piece. you say, was he supposed to
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doit, meaning blow himself up, and didn't have the courage to, which appears more likely now, we just don't know. how confident are the authorities here in france, belgium, that they can track him down? it seems pretty amazing that someone could evade all of these countries looking for him. >> i think it is amazing, seems to be no trace of him after about a week. he arrived back in belgium on a saturday morning. a week later, nobody knows where he is. >> nothing. >> there is nothing. some speculate that he may have even taken his own life. he was in a very agitated state. he didn't know where to turn. others, very, very poor sourcing on this say he maybe was spotted. that's why this intense belgian operation continues because they feel he is still out there and may finally carry out this act of martyrdom. >> and what other lives might he
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take. thank you very much. you can go to, read tim's fascinating piece. also, we know that in less than 48 hours, president obama will sit down for a face-to-face meeting with the french president. president obama slamming isis when he spoke today on his trip to malaysia. >> they're a bunch of killers. with good social media. the americans who are building things and making things and teaching and saving lives as firefighters and police officers, they're stronger. our way of life is stronger. all of which is to say that our coalition will not relent. we will not acceccept the idea t terrorist assaults on restaurants, theaters and hotels are the new normal or that we
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are powerless to stop them. after all, that's precisely what terrorists like isil want. >> let's talk this over with cnn global affairs analyst and cnn military analyst and lieutenant general. kimberly, to you first. what we know, that major french aircraft carrier is now in the mediterranean. then you've got hollande meeting with president obama. then he goes to russia to meet with president putin. do you read this as a sign that he's trying to bridge any gaps, make a strong coalition between the united states, france, and russia? >> bridge the gaps. and you've got to wonder if he might not be lobbying behind closed doors to get president obama to step up the number of strikes as well as to step up the transparency in terms of how much intelligence they share
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with france. i understand it's much better than it was, but it could be better still. and in russia, you know, russians have been targeting some isis areas, but the majority of their attacks still have been on rebels who are against the syrian regime. so the u.s. and france would like to see them switch that fire power and move towards isis-held areas and really step up the bombing campaign. the other thing that they've been doing is ratcheting up bombing and it doesn't look like the russians can sustain what they haves with 34 jets on the ground so far. so, again, maybe france could be the bridge between the u.s. operations and coalition operations in russia to start putting the pressure on the troops together. >> and they certainly the impetus to do that now. general, i want you to listen to
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what chuck hagel told our jake tapper this morning in a fascinating exclusive interview. let's roll it. >> we needed to more clearly define our political strategy along with our military strategy. it's my opinion, it was the opinion of the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff marty dempsey, he can speak for himself. but it was our opinion there is no military solution to this. we're up against an ideology, we're up against a reality of a set of dynamics we've never seen before. the tactical tra strategic prowess that isis develops. is assad the enemy or is isis the enemy? >> i'm wondering your take on that. is there no military solution to fighting isis because this is an
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ideology that has spread so rampantly. >> we have said for a very long time poppy that this will not be involved militarily. i thought the former secretary's interview this morning was fascinating because it outlines some things which message the fact that -- well, let's put it this way. there has been a strategy from the very beginning. there are seven lines of operation to this strategy, two of which are military. the other ones have not received as much attention from the general public or even from the congress. so the focus on those other lines of operations, stopping the transport of fighters, influencing the economics of this terrorist and criminal organization, attempting to counter the messaging and the ideology and many other things are all part of the overarching strategy that has not received the attention that bombing syria has received. i think what we're seeing now is several other nations, france,
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later this week you're going to see prime minister cameron go to the parliament after he's won over some votes from both parties and present his strategy which is going to mirror, i believe you'll see, president obama's strategy over the last year of continuing to take the fight to this criminal organization. i think the good thing is that you're seeing a lot of other countries coming together which was one of -- by the way, one of the lines of efforts of the strategy buildup, a viable coalition. you're seeing those countries come together because they see the threat. and all of those countries are going to start influencing russia in a very positive way to counter isis, to perhaps do some power sharing agreements with mr. assad, and eliminate some of the causes of this entire insurgency. >> all right. let me read this for both of you before you go and we'll talk about it later in the hour.
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this is what mike vickers, the former undersecretary for intelligence said to politico quote, by any measure, our strategy in iraq and syria is not succeeding or is not succeeding fast enough. we are playing a long game when a more rapid and disruptive strategy is required. thank you very much. i appreciate it. and perhaps the biggest target of the recent air strikes has been isis' self-declared capital of raqqah in syria. what i want to show you now is a cnn exclusive. nick payton walsh gets extraordinarily close to the isis headquarters. >> reporter: air strikes can repeatedly pound raqqah, but it's here that any ground offensive would have to begin. and still, a sense of stalemate. their ultimate goal of raqqah, visible on a good day in the far distance. this base at times hit by isis
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mortars. >> you do not want to miss nick's full exclusive report from raqqah -- i shouldn't say -- from syria, that is monday morning on "new day," 6:00 a.m. eastern time. getting very close as i said, to raqqah, the de facto capital there. quick break. we're back in a moment. yeah. that's the one right? we forgot dave! thank you. so, can the test drive be over now? maybe head back to the dealership? it's practically yours, but we still need your signature. the sign then drive event. zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first months payment on a new tiguan and other select volkswagen models. in panama, which is a city of roughly 2 million people, we are having 5,000 new cars being sold every month. this is a very big problem for us
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also encourage the public to continue to travel, associate, celebrate the holidays, be with their families and that law enforcement and homeland security is on the job. >> jeh johnson also says the tsa security at u.s. airports has double the down on security there following the metrojet bombing in egypt. his comments come as people plan to be at airports across the world on thanksgiving. in the united states, aaa says flyers will account for 8% of holiday travel. that translates into 1.7 million flyers just over the thanksgiving holiday. johnson was in new york for a three-hour active shooter drill with police and the fire department there in new york. i should note, this drill had
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been planned for over a year. modifications were made in the wake of the paris attacks. with me now, cnn law enforcement analyst jonathan gilliam. i think it is so important to talk about this. i am someone who rides the subway every day in new york city where i live. but at the same time i don't want to alarm people. we have heard that there is no greater threat to the united states right now in the wake of what happened in paris. do you agree with that? >> well, you know, poppy, i think in this circumstance, even though i've been in law enforcement and i'm an analyst, i think your standing in paris where an attack just happened, how do you feel? that's the way people should start realizing. right now, there's no known credible threat to paris, but an attack just happened. i know you're probably aware of what's going on around you, you're a little bit heightened as far as your awareness goes, but you're still doing your job.
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that's the way people should be, exactly the way you are right now. it doesn't mean that you're living every single second in fear, but you're awareness is height nd. i don't hear that type of an explanation coming from homeland security. that's what i'd like to hear because my problem is when you say no credible or no known threats, people tend to drop their guard. i think even if there wasn't anything going on in paris, during the holiday season, when groups gather, any time there's a soft target, people just -- they need to be aware. >> it's a very good point. i'm certainly very aware. i do feel safe here in paris. but i look around me. if i ever see a bag without someone right next to it, you ask. i see that all around from people in new york as well. you've got the busiest travel day of the year this week around thanksgiving. yerlier this morning, there was
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a damning report that came out about the tsa. it found in part that tsa failed to identify 73 racktive aviation workers with links to terrorism. they also lack effect active controls to keep perspective employees from getting a job at airports in the united states. what does tsa have to do to ratchet it up? >> they need to stop relying solely on one bolttle necked ara for security. spread the security out a little bit. start doing checks where people pull up with their cars. a huge problem with the tsa is where people are exiting. there's 200 people in one area that are massively vulnerable to attack in an area where there's no security. i just think tsa needs to start doing the same thing, think outside the box a little bit and just increase your awareness.
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and i think, you know, tsa does this job every single day. so they're more likely to drop the ball just because of complacency not because people are inept. you have to realize, when it's not a credible or known threat. that's when majority of attacks happen. >> jonathan gilliam, thank you very much. you'll be with us a little bit later in the program. ahead right after this, a support swells around the fwloeb, i want to drek you to that's where you can go to help the support the victims, those lives who were lost, their families. go to cnn, we'll be back in a moment.
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welcome back to our continuing live coverage this sunday evening from paris where it is just past 11:00 in the evening. a leading expert dismisses any notion that the fight against eye skis will end soon.
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anyone hoping that the paris attacks will somehow transform the fight against global jihad and produce a quick and definitive defeat for the bad guys and victory for the good ought to take a deep breath. thank you for being with me. you argue that we need to, quote, start describing accurately the nature of the challenge we face. so how should it be worded? how should it be described? >> well, it's controversial and perhaps a little politically incorrect. the administration's gone to great lengths to describe it as extremism, violence. it's certainly all of that. the solution lies in an honest and accurate description of the problem. what we phase is however atomized and decentralized, you face a global jihad. you face a movement largely by
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muslims who draw on perverted texts of islam, seek to do violence to create a vision of their particular future. and catastrophe and pain and death on more muslims so far than not. i think we have to be aware of the threat that we face. >> you also write, let me read, you write this. it is a long war because key arab states are melting down. you point to egypt, the jetliner that was brought down in egypt and the instability politically there. how do you get the stability to return to the region? is that possible in the foreseeable, you know, five-year future? >> you know, i spent 25 years in government and measured my life in four to eight-year increments. we're 14 years after 9/11. 14 years. a decade and a half. while we dismantled al qaeda central, it's essential evolved. it's jumped its borders.
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it's spawned in maghreb, isis' roots lay in iraq and an anti-american insurgency in the early 2000s. the reality that military force alone as vital and necessary and as focused as it must be right now can't secure the sustainable end goals that ultimately be stabilize this region. that's going to depend in large part on a combination of western efforts, but largely a process owned by iraqis, syrians. we have to help them, but we cannot do this for them. that's why i argue that this is really going to take much longer than many people would hope or want to believe. it took six years to defeat the axis prours and we're already double that now into a war against al qaeda and its affiliates. so i think we have to be real even while we focus and bring more muscle and smarts to the
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fight. >> yeah, that's a really mirrors what chuck hagel said this morning to jake tapper. increasing discussion, certainly. i want you to listen to what hugh hewitt said today. >> republican rhetoric, five words now define this administration. leading from behind, jvs, contained. and the problem is that those five words add up to failure. so nobody trusts the president to process the refugees. >> he is talking about the republican stance. but look, you have the president saying an unfortunate word choice if you will the day before the attack that isis is contained. politically, what are people looking for from the next president in terms of language on this fight? >> you know, i voted for rs and ds. my own view that the dividing
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line shouldn't be there. it ought to be between dumb on one hand and smart on the other. and we need to be on the smart side. if anybody really believes that the next r or d in 2017 or the next he or she is fundamentally going to be able to fix this problem, i think they're wrong. it's clear the president has in large part through rhetoric that has been misplaced created an easy hammer to give republicans to hammer him. he's been risk averse, not risk ready on this. and i think it's coming back to haunt him. the really question, though, if there were a republican or another democrat in the white house right now, how in fact would the fight against isis change. would we deploy 50 to 70 to 100,000 ground forces, would we create no-fly zones in the southern and northern part of the country? i'm not at all sure.
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all right. we have breaking news just into us here at cnn. at this moment, there is a series of major raids going on right now in brussels. they are going on in brussels, belgium. they are also going on in other locals. also another town in belgium. we know the belgian federal prosecutor is set to give a press conference in the next
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hour. a major series of raids across belgium right now. you'll remember that the attack here in paris nine days ago was partly orchestrated in belgium. you will also remember that salah abdeslam, the eighth attacker op the run, was last seen? th and stopped by police nine days ago on the road from paris to brussels. let's talk about this with cnn global affairs analyst, she is with us. also with me here is a french journalist, one of the first to arrive on the scene after the "charlie hebdo" attack. kimberly, your take on this, the fact that we have now a city for two nights, brussels has been on lockdown. we will hear in less than an hour's time from the federal prosecutor. >> you know, in this interim, they have been scanning every bit of technical communications out there, watching for movement, and trying to see who reaches out to who under this
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pressure cooker of surveillance. so the other problem is, they can't keep extending and extending this high state of alert and having every one stay indoors before the workweek kicks off. this is their opportunity to sweep as many suspects up as possible, hopefully disrupt some raids. they must have had good intelligence to put this level of alert in place. so you got to hope that they have some pretty good leads as to who to round up. >> do you know if there are french authorities there in belgium helping them with these raids in. >> it's most likely. i don't have this information. but it's of course very likely that they exchange information and also personnel. this week, i've seen belgium police patrolling the large train station in paris. >> also let's talk about the fact, you've had the agreement here in europe for more than 25 years now, and the borders are
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porous, so open. they are able to go back and forth from belgium to paris, belgium to paris. that ability still exists. >> absolutely. you should see this as one of the pillars of the european union. compare it to traveling from washington, d.c., to l.a. it's the same thing in europe. the big problem is the exterior borders. the borders when you come into the european union. those are not being checked properly. that's one of the topics the french authorities have been discussing -- >> coming into the eu. >> exactly. so the outer borders will be controlled far more seriously than has been the case so far. >> kimberly, what is realistic, to have a major hub city in europe like brussels on lockdown, the schools are closed, the me row system is closed. the last time we saw that in new
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york city was barring a natural disaster like sandy was after 9/11, you know, when we had the subway shut down for a short time. how long could a city like brussels sustain this? >> well, with every day that it does keep everything shut down, that's a major economic cost and it's also a public relations could you plea coup for isis, that they managed to disrupt daily life just out of fear. so they did have to do something to move this forward. the problem is if there is even one attacker who launches something tomorrow, the police will -- the police will be in a certain amount of pr trouble. but you still -- it's one of these things, sending a message of strength through action is what they're doing right now. >> all right. thank you very much. they will both be with us throughout the evening.
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the breaking news we have, belgian media reporting there is a major series of raids going on right now across belgium, focused on brussels and other locations. we will hear from the federal prosecutor there in less than an hour's time. much more live coverage from paris next. stay with us. pany. grabbing your data. stealing your customers' secrets. there's an army of us. relentlessly unpicking your patchwork of security. think you'll spot us? ♪ you haven't so far. the next wave of the internet requires the next wave of security. we're ready. are you?
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welcome back to continuing live coverage from paris. breaking news i want to update you on. there is a series of major raids belgian media is reporting at this hour going on across belgium focusing on brussels right now, other locations. major raids. we're expecting to hear from the federal prosecutor there in less than an hour's time. we have been following this incredibly closely from the beginning, especially the man hunt for salah abdeslam, the
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eighth attacker on the run last seen going to belgium. >> and the belgium authorities have been worried all week about another attack in belgium, and a large one as well. they're worries about malls, all sorts of civilian infrastructure, rain railways and stations and so forth. they think this would not just be one person and one gun, but something multiple. tonight, they've moved series of raids in multiple locations. suburbs of brussels. this is exactly what they did back in january when they swept in and interrupted a cell. that same night, they hit about seven or eight locations. >> and prevented potential future attacks. >> let's talk about why belgium is so important in this. a, it's a major center for arms trafficking on the black market. also, you have per capita, the biggest number of citizens who have left to join the jihad.
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>> that's true. and the belgian prosecutor told us this week, we cannot cope with the influx that's coming back. we don't have the resources. we don't know who's come back, we don't know who's still out there, we don't even know who's planning to go out there. they're not confident that they're got everything tamped down, that they know who's plotting, who's intending to bring carnage to their home country. then you've got this nemnexus o belgium and france. they acknowledge the severity of the threat. they acknowledge they have limited resources. they say as do the french, for everyone american we need to keep under surveillance, we need 24 howeveur. >> we'll bring you more on the breaking news and hear from the federal prosecutor as soon as he takes the podium. also, i want to update you on a
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very important story. there's a new report that the jailed "washington post" journalist has been officially sentenced to prison time. this does seem to confirm what the post reported last month saying that jason had been found guilty on espionage charges. charges his family, the paper vee hemently deny. brian? >> you and i have talked about this case before. it always seems like new developments are bad developments for jason and his family. today is the latest example of that. we're hearing that rezaian has been sentenced to prison for an undetermined length of time. now, there's been no evidence to back up those claims, to back up those allegations. in fact, they've been vigorously
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denied by jason, by his family and the "washington post." never the less, he remains behind bars. he's been there for almost a year and a half at this point. i've checked in with the post today. they say they have no information. they are reiterating they want him released as soon as possible. people at the post view him as a pawn in a geopolitical faceoff between iran, the u.s. and other world powers. here's a statement that the state department issued, we've seep the reports of a sentence in the case, but cannot confirm the details ourselves at this time. if true, we call on the iranian authorities to vacate the sentence and free jason to be returned to his family. that's a statement from the u.s. state department also echoed by the "washington post" and journalists all around the world. there's been widespread condemnation of the treatment of this journalist. for now, no movement by the
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iranian authorities. poppy, back to you. >> brian, thank you very much. much more from paris next.
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. tonight, we are hearing from a mother whose son was among the 89 killed during the attack at the bataclan theater here in paris. for days, she didn't know what happened to him.
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she spread word on social media, twitter and facebook with his photo hoping to find him until finally the awful news came about her son geo. nelly weeps as she recalls her son as a touching, caring, sensitive man, always ready to help his family. he was magnificent, she tells me. he and his love of his life went out for an evening of fun on that friday night. taking this selfie inside the theater, waiting for the band to play. it would be their last picture together. gilles threw his body over hers saving his girl friend. >> you looked for your son for three days? >> translator: we always had hope until the very last minute.
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even until we went to go see him. and then it was over. it was very hard. >> reporter: you can't believe it's over? >> translator: we always hoped during the last three days. >> reporter: you always had hope in those three days? >> uh-huh. >> reporter: the 32-year-old florist and adventurer died that night on the attack of the bataclan. >> tell me about the cluf between gilles and his girlfriend. >> they were very, very -- they were two beings that were very compatible. >> reporter: nelly says that they were soul mates, two loves that never shared a harsh word. if you were to look the person in the eye who killed your son, what would you say to them? >> translator: i would tell him that he doesn't even deserve that we consider him a human being. he's not a human being. it isn't possible. he's not part of humanity.
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it's not possible, people like this. even animals don't do this between themselves. it's not possible. it's a monster. >> reporter: but in the face of evil, there is always pure beauty. tell me about those flowers. >> translator: it was something that he was planning on doing for her before it all happened. >> reporter: gilles' sister alexander tells us about the 200 girlfriends that he ordered for his girlfriend on their anniversary. they were delivered just days after he died. >> translator: it was to show his love for her. unfortunately, he didn't have time to give it to her himself because he died before that. we were messengers for gilles. she said, even when he's not there, he manages to surprise me. >> reporter: what do you want people to know about your brother? >> a very special boy.
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>> translator: he did things but not out of self-interest. he did it naturally because he liked to and it made it happy to share. he was always there for everyone. >> reporter: she tells me she will write a letter for him to say what she didn't have a chance to say: what is in your heart? >> translator: at the bottom of my heart, that i'll never be able to touch him again. >> reporter: nelly still can't believe she won't hold her son again. he was your baby? it's not just. it's not just. it's unbelievable. ♪
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of them, they are farmers. they are bringing all of the stuff from the locals and the seasonal into the market. we have to move these guys and push them to get the right product and they do it. they listen. top of the hour, i'm poppy harlow live for you in paris. thank you for joining me. we're following breaking news from belgium where police have made a number of arrests. we are told during a series of raids across the country in the aftermath of the attacks in paris. we will hear shortly from the


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