tv CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin CNN November 23, 2015 11:00am-1:01pm PST
hello there, i'm brooke baldwin live here in beautiful paris, france. it is 8:00 here local in the evening. you're watching cnn's special coverage of the terror attacks that still more than a week later have the city on edge. . heavy is the word i keep hearing. i've been here 24 hours. it is a heavier atmosphere. it's still the stu of light and love, but it feels heavy. e we learned an area in a paris suburb has been sealed off as a bomb team checks out what
appears to be a suicide vest. it was found we're told in. a trash can. it's being removed and undergoing analysis to see if it does contain explosives. the bomb disposal team is on site. this news coming to us today as france has launched new attacks against isis targets in syria and iraq. france is stepping up its mission after this claimed responsibility for the coordinated attacks here in the city. it it left 130 people dead and so many others wounded. as investigators are hunting for the fugitive suspect who survived the paris attacks, they have now arrested 21 people during anti-terrorism raids in nearby belgium. one person has been chashlg c canned but 15 others have been released. it is believed salah abdeslam made it out of paris and into belgium in the hours after his brother and six others targeted that soccer stadium.
. so many cafes here in paris and the concert hall, this was ten days ago. the british prime minister david cameron joined the french president francois hollande in visit i visiting these memorials. the prime minister is also expected to make the case this thursday for his nation now to join the coalition effort in isis and syria. let's go to ivan watson who is here in paris as well. let's begin specifically with this item that appears to be resembling a suicide vest. what do you know? >> this is coming from french
police confirming it to cnn that there's a suspect item that some fear could be a bomb belt, a suicide vest in a garbage can directly to the south of paris. a bomb disposal team brought in and are investigating. we'll update you when we find out more. one of the suspects in the november 13th terror attack there were fears he might have a bomb belt and he escaped the police dragnet. so we'll bring you up to date. just to give you and our viewers a sense. we're in the place where cafes are still open. it's a little less crowded than usual. the cafes not quite as business su as they might be. it's only a monday evening, but life is still moving along.
>> ivan watson here in paris. let's get to belgium here. . a lot of news made there in the last week or so. the terror alert level remains at the country's highest. one lawmaker calling the situation very exceptional as you see heavily armed soldiers and police out and about in the city streets. schools and the subway system will remain shut down at least through wednesday of this week. it's still in partial lockdown. christmas tree on one side of the street and a humvee on the other. >> absolutely and that is the reality that people are living here with. slowly we have seen some life return to these streets. some cafes reopening, although the shops, the subway still in shutdown. many described to me as being
unprecedented since the second world war. there's definite ly a sense of capital city here under siege. a prime minister says until monday it this terror threat level will remain at its highest. . intelligence sources say the broader concern that is driving all this, yesterday we had raid after raid right here in the town center, consistent security can sweeps. the concern that is driving all this is that as that net starts to close in potentially on some of those that were involved in that broader network that supported the paris attacks, the worry becomes that most would be suicide bomb. ers have no intention of being taken alive and that is driving the raised terror threat levels here. it's the serious and imminent threat that authorities here keep speaking about, but television al it's also a concern about what desperate militants might find themselves called to do. >> schools in the metro there
closed through wednesday. . thank you so much. after all of the raids and arrests both here in paris and brussels, the key surviving suspect still remains at large. police have been on the hunt. for this man salah abdeslam. questions are being raised about whether he didn't go through with the plan. lets me bring in a media consultant and former senior correspondent both covering middle east and washington. so wonderful to have you. and thank you for having me in your beautiful city. beginning with what we know france has done, the aircraft carrier has begun striking and the week ahead for your president here is quite busy. >> you see it had been scheduled to go to this area a long time
ago. there's no difference in tactics. it's just that they are strike force will be closer to where the action is than are other planes in the gulf. but bombing will not do it. it never solves a symmetrical conflict like this one. so the moment for president francois hollande to get everybody on the bandwagon. he will be beginning to obama, merkel in germany, to putten in russia, italy, the united nations. >> all-in-one week? >> all-in-one week. but people might have the same enemies, but not necessarily the same interest. >> explain what you mean. >> for example, american military were more interested in iraq than in syria. . we're more concerned with syria because france is in europe,
much closer to terrorism bases on the united states. >> i would say there was a very high concern from an american perspective in syria as well. it is changing, but in terms of military presence most of american troops were essentially in iraq and so far the results have not been negative, but not decisive. you see isis had 30,000 fighters, perhaps they have lost 10,000 that will not be able to renew that quickly. but that doesn't do the job. >> what about russia? we have talked so much about the u.s. relationship with russia and any sort of -- we read into handshakes and cheersing of champagne glasses when it comes to president obama and vladimir putin, and now that e we know president francois hollande will not only be meeting with putin but we see pictures out of the
russian defense ministry releasing photos from missiles that the russian pilots have written for paris. these are missiles that are striking targets in syria striking isis. your read on that. >> i'm very distrustful that this is excellent propaganda. it's incredible. it's propaganda. intelligence from the ground has shown that the russians were more interested in defending assad than in dash. now they have changed a little. why? because the russians are worried about having terrorism in thundershower own cities. but mainly their main enemy is not daesh. their intention to just make sure that the syrian state not necessarily assad, but the syrian state is pamaybe
maintained. >> let me end by asking you about this beautiful city. this isn't necessarily a tourist spot. this is a place for parisians and has the french motto on the statue and people are lighting candles. the fact that a possible suicide vest was found tonight. people were fearful of a flash bang in a metro station this week and it turned out to be a pigeon. what's your read right now? >> well, you see what you have to realize is that the first victims are just being buried. >> i feel it. >> the situation is not normal. . on my way over one of the adjacent streets i kounded more than 40 police vans, which is not exactly what you would expect on a night like this. and also we're in the heart
of -- i could call this the equivalent of the eastern part of the city where most of the young like to have a glass of beer, to go to clubs and have fun. so you could say that in the past terrorists would strike. this tomb they want everybody and especially youth. . >> that's why it feels so different. thank you so much i appreciate your time tonight. . >> you're welcome. >> just ahead here on cnn, as we're talking about terrorism. is al qaeda stepping up attacks and terror plots to compete with isis. the growing rivalry against the west. also in politics, donald trump says he saw muslims cheering in new jersey on 9/11. now there's no evidence of that,
but that's what he said. critics say he's flat out lying. does the truth matter when it comes to trump? and an african-american protester kicked and pushed during a donald trump rally and trump says maybe he deserved it. one of the protesters who was attending that event is joins me live. i'm brooke baldwin live in paris, and this is cnn.
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welcome back, you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin live tonight in paris. let's talk politics and donald trump. trump getting vocal on the campaign trail against american muslims and the new poll indicate cans the increased rhetoric working with republican voters. take a look at the numbers. this is the latest from the abc news poll. trump maintains a healthy lead over his competitors. these strong numbers coming in as is escalated to u.s. mosques
monitored. >> i want surveillance of these people. i want surveillance if we have to. i don't care. are you ready for this, folks? they are going to make it such a big deal. they are going to make it so big. he said something so politically incorrect. that's why we're going to hell because we're so politically incorrect. such a big deal. we have had it before and we'll have it again. >> let me bring in these two ladies. the news director of the tea party network and republican strategist and trump supporter. also with me is se cupp. you both agree with the notion
of surveilling certain mosques, but there's a but to your opinion here. >> well, yeah, i mean pre-2011 when we had programs in. place that allowed for surveillance of certain mosques, we were able to foil a number of home grown r terror plots and it's important there are no exceptions to the places that law enforcement can go in if they deem a credible threat or a tip. but i would want to know more. from mr. trump about which mosques he is thinking about. especially in light of comments that he's made where he would make maybe have to register all muslims. donald trump talks a lot about this kind of stuff without a lot of specifics. and sometimes it sounds as though the policies he wants to enact are unconstitutional. so if he has a heavy burden to prove that this is something he would do constitutionally and
conservatively, let's not forget every time trump talks about something like this, he talks about grow. ing the size of government. who are all of these people that are going to monitor mosques and muslims in the country and is that what it means to be a conservative running for president? >> and scottie, i want to hear from you. trump is correct that there was some monitoring after 9/11. my pushback to you, because i know you agree, there is also this notion of mosques can sometimes serve as incubators. can cafes and restaurants and butcher shops, how do you draw the line? >> you draw the line in what's public institutions and what's not. i don't care about religious or civic organizations. wherever there's a gathering where there's more than one people tied to usm, we need to be able to monitor. since 2011 when they got
together and sued the fbi, there's been this major breach in communication between law enforcement and mosques. so that's why the focus is right now. look at the boston bomber. if there would have been monitoring of the mosque e he attended, during worship services he was shouting out jihadist kmnts, but there's no communication. it's reasons like this that people are scared of american mosques. there's a difference between places that people gather and a regular and public place that people go frequent but not. necessarily consistent like a r worshipping institution like a mosque. >> let me. move on to something else trump said. he claims to remember seeing thousands upon thousands, his words, american muslims cheering in new jersey as the twin towers came down on 9/11 back in 2001. the mayor of jersey city is calling trump's comments in. a word shameful.
critic says he's making the story up. in fact, "washington post" checked, it's false. what evidence would he have of that, s.e.? >> he said he's seen it on television and i would love to see the footage he's referring to. i remember 9/11 and i remember walking home in manhattan 40 blocks to get to my apartment on that day and pass iing white me running up to cab drivers with arab drivers and yelling at them you did this, this is your fault. that happened more than once that day. it was a horrific thing to witness. u don't remember any muslims jumping for joy in new york or seeing footage of any muslims jumping for joy in new jersey. if he's going to levee that charge, i think he should produce some evidence of it because it isn't what any of us remember. . >> there's two sides of the story. >> you love some donald trump. >> but there's two sides to
every story. just go online. you can't believe everything on the internet, but there are pictures and videos that are being circulated saying that people in new jersey, not manhattan, that they saw those. even the exact opposite. we didn't see the large outpouring condoning 9/11. we didn't see the march against islamic terrorist. silence speaks volumes. >> you said thousands and thousands of muslims. >> the question is there were not necessarily anybody saying it was wrong that it happened. you didn't see the thousands standing up and saying we condone this. you saw silence. maybe to prevent rumors in the future, why don't the muslim community come out and as a united nations say we condone what is going on. not just put a spokesman out there. let's see it.
>> this is why the trump campaign is so ugly. it is all about division. >> s.e., final words. >> this is why the trump campaign is so ugly. it's all about division. what muslimuslim-americans wereg on 9/11 to that an entire community of people, to tie that to what happened in paris or what could hypothetically happen if we start letting refugees in is so craven and ugly and they are -- >> it has everything to do with it because they are not against it. they are not sitting there and condoning the terrorist attacks on a whole. they are saying, america, you're hateful people. you need to not monitor us. it's really a false sense of impression on there. >> wow, wow, ladies, let's leave it. thank you both so much.
i want to pick back up on that system other time. we have to talk about this protester at this event in alabama. this individual got tackled. you see the video here. tackled to the ground by trump supporters. . donald trump saying, quote, maybe he should have been roughed up. up next, we'll talk with another protester who attended that rally. also ahead a manhunt. underway for the suspects in the siege on the hotel that left 20 people dead in west africa. . you'll hear from the survivors, ahead.
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camera. take a look for yourself. the man in the middle of all this had a ticket to attend this event. after he got in, he tried to disrupt trump's speech in protest. a half dozen people shoved, tackled him to the ground when he refused to leaf. he and three others were escorted out by police. a spokesman said that it, quote, does not condone this behavior. less than 24 hours after this happened, donald trump said this. >> the man that was roughed up, he was so obnoxious and loud he was screaming. i had 10,000 people in the room
yesterday and this guy started skree screaming by himself. maybe he should have been roughed up because it was disgusting what he was doing. i have a lot of fans and they were not happy about it. this was an obnoxious guy looking to make trouble. >> joining me is one of the protesters that was at the rally. let me first ask how is your friend doing. is he lrlt? >> first of all, thank you for having me. he's a good friend of mine. i spoke with him this morning. you all wanted him this it morning and he refused to come on because he was speaking with his attorney and e he may have to have medical attention after what happened at the trump rally.
>> what happened before these cameras started rolling and after. give me details. >> we had been out protesting since about 8:30 saturday morning. we had a permit o to protest outside. and we went inside before that morning. i didn't go. in until 11:15 that morning. mr. trump was already speaking. when i got inside, the plan was to meet up with my friend and the other protester so that we could exercise our first amendment rights on the inside. upon doing that, i'm recording live on periscope that allowhouse to broadcast. live from anywhere in the world. i'm broadcasting live from periscope and the next thing i
know is we began chanting dump the chump. it eventually led to black lives matter. in the periscope video, you see there are several men and women that knocked my phone out of my hand. they even went as far as putting their hands up stopping me from being able to record mr. trump and the rally. >> if you're at this trump rally and you are chanting dump the trump and black lives matter, by no means do i condone any of this behavior or the fact that your friend was taken down, but i want to understand. you knew you were walking into -- tell me why you wanted to go in and chant like you did, attend the rally. >> it's pretty simple.
we wanted to exercise our first amendment rights. donald trump came into the city of birmingham, a city that is known for demonstrations in the '50s and '60s. my grandmother was a part of the churn's march. for him to come to birmingham, the same night we are honoring a huge pioneer in a civil rights movement is a total disrespect to our city. we believe we are raising our minimum wage. we believe that immigrants are welcome in our city. mr. trump is against that. we didn't want -- >> hang on, i understand where you're coming from and i understand that very important significance of birmingham being from the south myself. but the fact that thanks to o the constitution you got to attend this rally, shouldn't the same rights be handed to mr. trump to throw a rally in any city he'd like? >> absolutely. just like i afforded the right
to protest against him just like people are there to protest him. but as a citizen of the united states, i do have the right to protest mr. trump. my constitution does not limit where i can protest. i wanted to protest mr. trump's rally because we didn't want him welcome here in the city of birmingham. >> let me end on this it question because i would bet you have a message for mr. trump. i don't know if the black lives matter movement would want to invite mr. trump and have a discussion as they have with other candidates with the national action network. would you want to extend an invitation and if so, what would your message be to him? >> i would love to invite him. i would love to sit down and talk about the real issues that matter to not only blacks, but everyone across this country, including the immigrants here. there's a series of discussions that needs to. happen. no one is taking mr. trump serious in the things he says.
he spews hate in our country and ul tell you this. i believe that donald trump is a modern day bull cutter. he cannot continue to go around spewing hatred and racism amongst anyone. we deserve an apology. we are due an apology from mr. trump himself. so as everyone else that has the freedom as i do. no way that donald trump is allowed to say that a black man should be roughed up in the city of birmingham. that's not acceptable. we have fought so hard to get to where we are today. for him to say that on national television is outright ridiculous and he should really be held accountable for the things that he says about black people. what they didn't show you is in the protest as we were being escorted out, mr. trump said he criticized the media for turning towards the back. he's made the comment that you have the cameras in the back where they belong. implying that black people
belong in the back. mr. trump is 69 years old. this is not the 1950s. we do not belong in the back anymore. and he has to understand that. and the things he's saying is not acceptable and we won't tolerate it. >> carlos, i feel your passion all the way here in paris. i don't have mr. trump here to respond to some of the words you're throwing around at him. let us know if he accepts an invitation to speak with you for sure. and i appreciate you being on and sharing your. perspective. thank you so much, carlos. >> thank you, brooke, for having me. coming up next, mali in a state of emergency after the siege on a hotel leaves 20 people dead. we will hear from survivors of that astack next. also ahead, the deadly attack on that mali hotel at an al qaeda affiliated terror group
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one of the groups an al qaeda affiliate in africa. david mckenzie joins me from bamako, mali. what do we know about the terrorists, specifically taking credit for this attack? who are they? >> reporter: that's right, brooke. both terror groups have claimed responsibility and said they cooperated. one is the islamic mahmoud grgh. another one say they had two attackers in there and put out a propaganda audio message saying they were trying to strike back at the crusaders. it was people trying to help mali rebuild. she described the heroing hours.
>> i e-mailed my husband. this was something going on and i want you to know i love you. when the fire down the hallway, i wrote another e e-mail and said i do believe there are shooters here. if i don't make it, i want you to know i love you and my family. but i am come iing home. i do this because i love doing this work. and where we are in the world and where we need to continue on. >> brooke, kathy said that, in fact, she was stuck in there for hours for training. those forces that came and kn k knocked on the door with a special code were the ones who saved their lives. >> all these attacks, what a story. david mckenzie, thank you for sharing live from mali for us. al qaeda's claim of responsibility for the attack coming on the heels of isis taking responsibility for the carnage here in paris.
are the terror groups locked in e e competition. joining me from new york is david rode, who was held hostage by the taliban for a time. nice to e soo you. we talked about the notion of trying to one up one another. the three different attacks, you have mali, what happened here in paris and what also happened in beirut, lebanon. how does this group of isis, how does al qaeda compete? >> well, they compete with what looks like this attack in mali. it sounds strange and we sort of talk about jihadists as one group, but they are very diverse and there are many different groups and they compete with each other. so isis and al qaeda share the same goal. they want to create this caliphate where muslims live under one ruler, but they are divided under strategy.
the mali attack was to get attention for al qaeda after isis got so much attention for these paris attacks. >> i was talking to aurm inform of people about isis specifically. with al qaeda i understand the group has been condemning attacks for killing children and women and in some cases muslims drawing almost like a terrorist line in the sand, which sounds bizarre to even say. isis has no such thing. >> and it's almost a generational difference. so the successor to osama bin laden is 64 years old. and he claims that muslims should not be killed and the split between the two groups occurred in iraq and in. the past the local iraqi insurgents were slaughtering these attacks in markets. when al qaeda asked them to stop that, they refused to do that. the leader of isis is 44. that's 20 years younger.
and isis's philosophy is to film graphic. violence with hollywood style production and it works. they talk about a generation that watches cell phone videos and the quality of the videos and the horrific nature of the violence has drawn the young people to join isis and it's a destructive rivalry because now al qaeda tries to respond with its own violence. >> how would al qaeda's strategy now shift because of precisely the point you just made. >> al qaeda is better at where it tries to work with local insurgent groups. so they are strong in mali and in yemen and strong in afghanistan and pakistan. whereas isis is sort of less forgiving. they don't make alliances. you are loyal to them and no one
else. i don't know which strategy would work. i hope neither of them work, but al qaeda is trying to show that it's relevant and i don't know where this this will lead to next. >> just quickly. is there benefit, i have been wondering in this one ups manship in the two terror groups. any benefit from a western terrorism perspective? >> they have battled each other in afghanistan and proal qaeda groups. they are turning off and we talked about this over and over again the vast majority of m muslims totally disagree and loathe these tactics. so in a sense is, the belief that isis's brutality will backfire. if al qaeda becomes more brutal, it will backfire as well. muslims, the vast majority across the world are horrified by this. >> always great to have your voice, thank you for your time. >> thank you. coming up next, isis reports
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area where a lot of tourists would come, but it's the heart of paris were one specific reason. you can see here we are now two mondays in. the wake of the attacks and people are still coming in. . dozens and dozens. a week ago it was about 2,000 people all surrounding here. we're about a half a mile away from the attack sites. so in just a a moment, i'll show you what parisians are telling me about this beautiful home and how it definite ly feels different. but as promised, politics now. . the presidential candidates from both parties have been vocal about the paris terrorist attacks and how to control isis. they have given insight into how they would handle the world's terror crisis. u.s. national security and foreign policy democratic contender senator bernie sanders joins me from atlanta, georgia. senator sanders, thank you for joining me.
>> my pleasure. >> let me begin with since i'm here in paris, i want to begin with terror. there is a report, sir, indicate ing that the pentagon changed a significantly changed its assessment of isis on the ground and gave them more rosy optimistic outlook to president obama and now he says he's going to get o to the bottom of that. is that not troublesome when the u.s. is leading a coalition that the commander-in-chief isn't get. ing the right facts? >> well, of course, it is. . i think we're going to have to upgrade intelligence not only within the pentagon but the type of communication that exists with our allies all over the world. every major country on earth has good intelligence. they are spend iing a lot of moy on intelligence. it's important that one country is able to share with another country what they learn. we have a lot of work to do to improve where we are. >> i know it's easy to say, but
if you were sitting in his seats a commander-in-chief, how would you confront your advisers? >> obviously, not getting the kind of intelligence that you should be getting is unacceptable. that has got to improve. but once again, what we have to utilize is the international community and all of the intelligence. russia has intelligence. the uk, france has intelligence. that type of intelligence has to be communicated to the entire world so we are effective in shoring up isis. >> we're speaking live with senator bernie sanders, who would like to be the next president of the united states here. we have to take a quick break. standby. you're watching cnn, we'll be right back.
we are back, i'm brooke baldwin. we have been talking with democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders. thank you so much for staying with me here. we already discussed as i'm in paris obviously very mindful of terror and specifically isis. go ahead, sir. >> can i make one additional point, if i might? that is people -- just last week the king of jordan made a very profound point that i think needs a lot of discussion. . what he said is while international terrorism is an international issue, at the end of the day, the muslim countries in that region have to stand up and take the lead in fighting against isis and. fighting for the soul of islam. and i think the king is exactly right.
i think what we have got to do in the united states and france and uk and russia, we have got to be supportive but the boots on the ground these to be muslim boots. . >> we definitely heard that before. significant who it's coming from. let me ask you this, senator. we know donald trump has recently made news because he says he saw thousands upon thousands, his word, of muslims in jersey city cheering when those twin towers came down back on 9/11. and to add to that, as we have been talking, i have been told that moments ago ben carson says, you know what, he's seen the same video. there's no evidence of that happening. your reaction, senator? >> well, i think you're right. i have not heard any evidence of
this happening. i don't know where mr. trump gets his evidence, what he has seen, but i don't think anybody else in america has seen it. what i get concerned about, brooke, is this growth of islam pho phobia in this country, this desire to win votes by scapegoating a group of people, which is not what america is supposed to be about. i think, once again, mr. trump is missing the boat. >> you talk about trump gets his evidence. i have to point out and i know you have seen these polls as well. in the wake of especially since what happened here in paris, he is on top increasing his lead since the terrorist attacks here half a mile from where i'm standing. here's my question to you. when it comes to donald trump, does the truth matter? >> i would hope our democracy in
the united states of america the truth does matter. the truth will matter. . and trust me, if i run against donald trump, we will, he will and the american people will learn the truth and that is that donald trump should not be president of the united states. we have to reinvigorate american democracy, we have got to create an economy that works for the middle class and not just the top 1%. so there's nothing more that i would enjoy than the opportunity to take on donald trump and expose many of the fabrications that he has brought forth. >> senator, i heard your chuckle all the way here in paris when you began answering that question for me. can you tell me why? >> i'm sorry? >> i heard you chuckle, i heard a laugh from you all the way here in paris as you were listening to my question.
i'm curious why the chuckle. >> not quite aware that i was chuckling, sorry. >> i'll move on. to you, sir, you have long blasted superpacks. but a super pac tie ed d to a ns union is supporting your campaign and spent $570 o,000 in their efforts. will your campaign call on the national nurses united union to stop spending money on your behalf? would you do that? >> what i have said over and over again is that i have not and will not raise a nickel for a super pac. i am the only democratic candidate who does not have a super pac. i will not have a souper pac. very few republicans don't have a super pac.
what the nurses union -- >> but would your campaign call on them? >> they are nurses and they are fighting for the health care of their people. they are doing what they think is appropriate. i do not have a super pac. that's the point that i've been making. >> okay. final question. why are you at the king center? >> i was at the king center today and had had the opportunity to meet with dr. king's daughter because dr. king has my entire adult life been one of my heroes. he's one of the great leaders in the modern history of the united states of america. i think the vision that he has brought forth is an extraordinary vision. our job as a nation is to rally around that vision and convert that vision into a reality. so ooum just delighted to have met with dr. king's daughter and
look forward to continuing to fight for the vision that he established. >> senator bernie sanders, thank you for the time. i truly appreciate it live in atlanta. thank you. >> thank you. let's continue on. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin live here in paris. you're watching cnn's special coverage of the terror attacks that still most definitely have the city on edge. here's what i can tell you at this hour. we learned in an area of a paris suburb has been sealed off as a bomb disposal tam is checking out what may end up being a suicide vest. we know it was discovered inside a trash can. it has since been removed and undergoing analysis to see if it contains explosives. this piece of information is coming to france as they launch these new attacks against u.s.ist targets in iraq from the aircraft carrier. the french defense ministry says
a group of terrorists were, quote, neutralized in a mission that lasted seven hours. france is stepping up its mission against the terror group after claiming responsibility for the attacks back on november 13th that left 130 people dead and so many others wounded. this had as investigators there are still looking for this fugitive suspect who managed to survive these attacks here in paris. they have arrested 21 people during anti-terrorism raids in belgium. i can tell you one person has been charged, but 15 others were released. it is believed salah abdeslam made it out of paris and into belgium in the hours after his brother and six others targeted this soccer stadium and the cafes and the theater. most of those locations just a half a mile from where i'm jo joining you now. here in paris it's 9:00 local time. the british prime minister joined french president francois hollande today in visiting that concert hall.
in fact, we have a picture of them as they laid flowers in memory of the 89 victims who lost their lives at that sold out show. the prime minister is also expected to make the case on thursday for his country to join the coalition effort in bombing isis in syria. so let's begin this hour with cnn international correspondent ivan watson, who joins me here in paris. ivan, do we have an update on what police say resemble that suicide vest in the trash can? >> reporter: we do. cnn's affiliate here in france is report iing that the suspect item in the trash can appears to be a a suicide vest containing bolts and the explosive tatp. that's the same kind of explosive that was used in the suicide vests of the paris attackers on the night of november 13th. it was also where the explosives that was found back in january in the belgium town when another
isis cell was broken up by belgium officials. we can't confirm this independently yet. we have to attribute that to cnn's affiliate, but it's a disturbing development, but perhaps it will put people at ease because there's one fugitive who has been missing since the paris attacks who was thought to have perhaps been carrying a suicide belt. that's part of why belgium officials have said that that suspect is believed to be dangerous right now. so we'll bring you updates as we get more on that development. >> want to stay on this and talk about the news that ivan broke about the suicide vest found in a suburb of paris. i have terrorism analyst paul cruickshank joining me from new york. stephon was one of the first people to arrive on the scene
after the "charlie hebdo" killings earlier this year in january. but paul, i'd like to begin with you here. . when you just heard that from ivan according to to a french or paris affiliate saying bolts and tatp in this suicide vest, what does that tell you? >> well the, the big question is whether this suicide vest belongs to salah abdeslam, the eighth attacker who is on the run who it appears probably abort eed his attack for an unknown reason on friday night in paris and was picked up by friends driving through the night from belgium, picking him up from paris and bringing him back towards there. he had a thick jacket on and possibly had a suicide vest underneath. the new information suggests he jet sanned the suicide vest in
paris itself. that night they were worried about the missing suicide vest. so they will be doing forensics on it, dna testing to see whether it actually did belong to him or not. but it seems very similar in design. the same explosive used in the other suicide vests used on that night. >> paul, stay with me. i'm turning to you, stephon. i want you to explain the suburb outside of paris where this potential suicide vest with tatp possibly was found. where is that in relation to half a mile from where we're standing and the cafes? >> it's the end of line forward that goes actually through the center. the only stop outside of the center is the last stop of the city. it's really close to the border of paris actually. it's still the very large
metropolitan area of paris. it's three or four miles from here, not more. >> what's the area like? >> the area is a good suburb. it's not a very dangerous suburb. not at all actually. it's basically an area where a lot of families live with kids who cannot afford to live in the center. they move towards them. the suburbs are like that. because the metro goes there, it's very attractive to live there and work in paris. it's a normal neighborhood. nothing special. >> could have been anywhere, could have been off the metro line. could have no significance to the location, but we still don't know. when you hear about the explosives, how dangerous in the notion that you could have an active suicide vest in a trash can in a paris suburb? walk me through what this bomb disposal unit is doing now? >> it is very dangerous. it's very unstable and volatile.
you can set it off by putting it in a warmer temperature or hitting it in a hammer or if you're in a car and the car is jolt ed it could go off. it's tricky to make for that reason because it's so volatile and reactive. so they will be putting a cordon around this. they have probably already done that. there will be a bomb unit sent in to try to neutralize the threat from this suicide vest, which appear jen sinned. most of the damage was actually done by ak-47s. it was the guns that killed most of the people. the concern is that even if he has jettisoned his suicide vest may have a number of weapons or access to a number of weapons in brussels. and the belgiums in the last few
minutes have said the terror alert they are seeing now in brussels goes far beyond just salah abdeslam. there's concern about a wider group of attackers that could be about to perform an attack. >> okay, paul cruickshank, thank you very much. stephon, thank you. paul mentioned belgium. we'll get to that. it's the isis headquarters, the coalition is targeting with bomb after bomb. cnn gets dangerously close to the front lines there. you'll see what happened. also ahead here on cnn, donald trump says he would bring back water boarding. hear why and the reaction that comment is getting. also a man points his gun at point-blank range directly at a hero on the street. the gun jams not just once but twice. we now have the breaking news about the suspect who has been on the run. i'm brooke baldwin live in paris. our special coverage continues, after this. the best of everything is even better
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i'm brooke baldwin live here in paris. in politics donald trump definitely under fire today for saying that it he saw thousands upon thousands of american muslims cheering after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. specifically seeing these people cheering in new jersey. ben carson just said he saw the same video. the problem is there's no known video. there is no evidence of that ever happening. "the washington post" says it fact checked donald trump and that claim is false. a short time ago trump tweeted this. he's demanding an apology from the newspaper. cites a story from a week after
the attacks. quote, in jersey city, within hours of two jet liners plowing into the world trade center, law enforcement authorities detain ed and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops whul they watched the devastation on the other side of the river. he tweets, i want an apology. many people have tweeted that i am right. let's chat about this with our cnn media correspondent brian stelter. let's listen to trump's claim that got this whole controversy started. >> there were people that were cheering on the other side of new jersey where you have large arab populations. they were cheering as the world trade center came down. i know it might not be politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down, as those buildings came down. >> okay, so that was a sound
byte that started the whole thing. we saw what happened in "the washington post" several years ago. what do we know, brian stelter? >> we know there's no evidence to back up what trump is saying. you might degree with the 99 things out of 100 that donald trump says. but this one is simply not true. there's no evidence of it. trust me, there would be evidence of it. you can imagine how big of story this would have been all around the world. if there had been hundreds, let's put aside thousands, hundreds cheering after 9/11. i spoke with the lead author of that "washington post" story that you were just quoting. the "washington post" story is what trump is using to cite as evidence. but he says he spent days in jersey city and walked the streets and tried o to find any evidence that there were all these people celebrating. he found no evidence. . he said, that was not the case as best i can remember. that's just one example of many. you might think donald trump is right about everything he says, but on this count, he's simply
wrong. that's why it's surprising that he's doubled down and ben carson has joined him today. >> listen, donald trump's reactive on twitter. there's a lot of tweeting and retweeting. we also know he retweeted what turned out to be this fake racially charged crime data about black on black crime from a group that doesn't exist. the retweet highlights a photograph of a dark-skinned man wearing a bandanna, dark shirt and military-style pants and claiming the list of crime statistics that includes six lines, p. blacks killed by police, 1%. whites killed by blacks, this retweet comes two days after a half dozen white attendees at a trump rally shoved and kicked this african-american protester
who disrupted that speech. what do you make of that? >> donald trump was asked there are people that believe that what you're doing is playing into racial prejudices. he said i'm the least racist person you'll ever meet. now that said, a retweet like that from a group that doesn't exist, is the kind of thing that perpetuates that kind of impression. whether you agree or disagree, you should be ticked off when there's misinformation out there. it's hard for journalists to fact check everything that every candidate says. politicians have been lying ever since the founding o of the united states. it's hard to fact check everything that's out there. when things are as clear as these are, all of us should be ticked off when any politician or any candidate is sharing misleading information. it makes it harder to have real debate. it makes it harder to actually have discussions around the thanksgiving table in a few days about what's right and wrong
when we don't agree on the facts. >> okay, yes. then there's been this proposed bill that would ban anyone on the terror watch list from buying a gun. it's pitting national security interests against second amendment rights and the presidential contenders are split. you have donald trump who says he supports this kind of ban. ben carson sees it as a problem. take a listen. >> yes or no, should someone on a terror watch list be allowed to buy a gun? >> if somebody is on a watch list and an enemy of state and e we know it's an enemy of state, i would keep them away, absolutely. >> as you i'm sure note, there are a lot of people on that watch list and they have no idea why they are on that list. they have been trying to get their names off of it and no one will give them information. i am a big supporter of the second amendment. i don't want to deprive people
unnecessarily that there needs to be better due process. >> cnn political commentator buck sexton is joining us, he's a former counterterrorism analyst. should people on the terror watch list be able to buy guns? what's your opinion? >> i think ben carson is correct here. you either believe in due process rights or you don't. people that would have their semd amendment rights which are on this list, you have no means or redress of finding why you're on the list. it's hard to get off the list. it's close to a million people on it. there are children as young as 9 or 10 years old who have been put on the terror watch list. there's no rhyme or reason to how somebody got on this thing in the first place. you either believe in due process and it's a constitutionally protected right or you do not. the federal government needs to do a better job of cleaning up this list. there are people bringing challenges about this notion in
the first place. even with regards to fly iing. if you have not been charged with a crime, you cannot have rights taken away from you. i think carson is right and trump has ered. >> let me just say this. i was reading about this it march report. these individuals approved for guns 91% of the time are folks that, yes, some people are on there erroneously. some people have nefarious intentions. what about the latter? how do you keep guns out of their hands? >> i would want to know how the government would be able to distinguish between the two. if somebody does have ne nars fairs terrorist intentions, you would assume there would be evidence. if there was enough evidence to prevent somebody from buying a gun, there would be enough evidence to bring a prosecution or at least charges. just bringing charges alone is enough if the sentence could carry more than a year to prevent somebody from buying a gun. it all comes down to whether you believe in due process rights or
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the capital of isis's self- self-declared caliphate and our senior international correspondent nick paton walsh has more in this exclusive report. sfwlr after paris the sinai and the cross hairs is here, raqqah. lost in the haze, yet they can hear it. heaviest at dusk. three days ago, we saw 40 airstrikes suddenly hit just nearby. the french said they started bombing. we'll do our best to avenge paris. he, like the other young fighters here, have lost friends but say fighting isis is a duty for humanity rather than vengeance as they manage an outpost 20 miles from the city. . we have just heard the distant sounds of what could be two airstrikes. from where we're standing is the kurdish front line and a trench dug as far as we can see.
and flat open land until you reach the outskirts of raqqah. four russian missiles hit raqqah, but otherwise it's the silence of stalemate in the desert. weapons here are scant. this man carries the ak-47 of his friend who died eight months ago. out here in the flat open ground with isis in the next village, they still scorn isis's leaders and welcome help. if french, russian or american fighters, this commander says, come here to fight, we'll cooperate with them as we are all fighting to clear the area of isis. isis left their mark on nearby village. even the mosque littered with mines. the silence here is breathtaking. this is directly the road down to raqqah.
you can just hear the complete absence of human life. there is little in victory left to fight for. on the wau out, we meet these guys that look not much like white nights, but that's what the pentagon hopes they are. the democratic forces getting american aid who explain they have secured the major defection of sunni tribes to fight isis. we weren't expecting this large number to join, but there are 4,000 tribesman, he says. when we want to moving, all of them are ready and we have managed to sneak weapons to them. we are moving forward. western leaders call this a global fight but here alone do you feel the dust, death and determination. >> nick is back from the danger zone and joins me just across the border in iraq. nick, you were in country. you know this part of the world
quite well. what was -- what surprised you most about what you saw there? >> reporter: i think just how close to raqqah the kurdish forces have got. not unnoticed, but not in the spotlight. they have moved west across the whole turkish border with syria. . pretty much cuttingists i off from it from most of the caliphate and pushed south taking a lot of land. that is a substantial change in territorial hands. from that report you saw there, 20 miles between them and the outskirts of a town that is the real ideological symbolic heart of what isis is trying to do here. and their self-declared capital. that's what's most remarkable and the slow feeling that despite their numbers being slight, their weapons not being what they want, the american assistance not coming in fast enough, they feel optimistic to move on the ground towards their city some point soon. something they are thinking
about. >> incredible access, phenomenal reporting, thank you to you and your crew, nick paton walsh in iraq. next, was the white house misled on the threat of isis? president obama is now responding to this troubling report that intelligence is being changed to make the fight against the terror group appear more positive. we'll talk to one of the authors of a piece, coming up next.
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get o to the bottom of reports suggesting that the pentagon may have altered intelligence assessments to paint a rosier puckture of the fight against the terrorist organization. here's the presidents. >> my expectation, which is the highest fidelity to facts, data, the truth. and if there are disagreements in terms of how folks are interpreting the facts, then that should be reflected in the reports that we receive that some folks think this is going on. other folks think that's going on and that's away i weigh in terms of making decisions. >> now this investigation coming amid-criticism that the president underestimated the strength of isis. many republicans have blasted the president for saying isis was contained the day before the terror attacks here in paris. a national security reporter for "the new york times" is joining us now. michael, thank you so much for joining me here. here's my first question.
what exactly is president obama saying was altered? >> well, what we're looking at here are some analysts at central command in florida that we're basically in charge of the operations in iraq and syria. what was going on there and were these analysts producing reports that said certain things about how the date of the war was going and were they being changed by superiors and different intelligence moving up the chain. >> was there something that happened that led the president to question this it intelligence or was it buildsing? >> this is something that started when analysts went to the inspector general and for the intelligence community and said, hey, we're not really comfortable with what happened here. and they started an investigation. the inspector generals started
looking into it. the president is now reacting to it and say iing i didn't get th assessments that i got about what was going on there were not very rosy. he thinks they were pretty transparent and full, but at the same time republicans wonder why the administration was so far behind on knowing about the strength of isis and knowing about the success of the bombing campaigns and whether it was truly contained. >> got it. as i pointed out a second ago, the president recently has been criticized on his tone on the war and he's defended it. i'm wondering from you is his now asking folks to look into this. is this an edadmission that perhaps he is doubting his tone when it comes to the war in syria? >> i don't think so. he seems pretty resolute in where he is on this. he's known for a long time this was a progress, but i think he doesn't know how to solve it.
it's not that he doesn't understand what's going on there. i just think that he's not sure what to do. he's not sure what kocountries can get to help them and not sure what domestically people in it this country did. do we want to put troops on the ground? i don't think he wants to even though republicans do. i think the problems that he has are more with the solutions than what's actually going on there. >> so quickly, logistically, getting to the bottom of this, how? >> investigators are looking at the reports that the analysts were create iing. they are then looking at were things changed? did their superiors take things out? what was taken out and what were the other intelligence agencies saying at the time. what was the cia saying? how does the military say match up with that? it's a pain staking thing and on top of it a lot of this is classified, which makes it more difficult to handle and which means we may not see a lot of it
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paris. now for a little bit more on the tone of this city. like you i watched all of this unfold the wake of these horrendous terrorist attacks from home in the states on television on cnn and to be here just over the last 24 hours i've really had a chance to visit the attack sites and the concert hall and see the memorials just grow and grow. i've really never quite seen anything like it. and i just wanted to share some of the stories from parisians about this beautiful city that definitely feels not quite the same. paris, beautiful paris, in its second week since the horrific attacks definitely feels different. tell me when you heard, where were you? >> i was in the cafe inside. inside in a cafe. >> reporter: antonia like so many parisians still can't swallow the pain and guilt of survival. >> we can do nothing and we say that's not possible. stay -- i'm sorry. i'm sorry.
you know, i feel guilty, you know. >> reporter: why do you feel guilty? >> i feel guilty because we can do nothing. >> reporter: antonia was enjoying tea at a nearby cafe when she heard the kalashnikovs ringing out. that night her daughter's best friend murdered. >> my daughter lost her best friend. yes. and she's completely disaster. she's make iing -- she can't se her. it's difficult, you know, to forget it. we will never forget it. >> reporter: so young. even the youngest seem to understand something wrong happened here. >> reporter: and you're 11? >> yes. >> reporter: and i saw you just light a candle. why? >> for peace. >> reporter: when she woke up on the day she saw us on tv crying.
we had to explain her what was happening. >> reporter: parents across paris fighting for the right words to articulate to their children, like 9-year-old louise here, how so suddenly mommy lost a friend from work. seems like almost everyone did. >> we realize that everybody knows somebody. >> reporter: does the city, does your home, does it feel different? >> yes. now we realize that we can be touched by this -- >> reporter: evil. >> eve, yeah. >> reporter: tell me why you're here today? >> because i -- i'm so sad it happened. in memory for all these people who were young. and happy to live. that's all. and my daughter lives just around here. and she heard the kalashnikov.
>> reporter: monique's daughter lives in this neighborhood where a number of young people were killed, out enjoying an unseasonably warm friday night in paris. her mother knows it could have been her. it could have been anybody. >> they came with a car and they shot with a kalashnikov everybody. >> reporter: does it change paris for you? >> it change a bit, of course. we're more -- we're a bit afraid. >> reporter: don't be mistaken, the city of lights feels a tad tenuous at this time. but as roger will remind you. >> it's a city of love. when we come here we don't see a muslim, catholic, jewish or just something like that. we just see a human being. >> please come back. and we can talk about this. >> reporter: come to paris. >> yeah. come to paris. >> reporter: come back. because now more than ever paris
needs you. here we are on a sunday in beautiful paris, and we're surrounded by people. >> yes. >> reporter: that's a beautiful thing. >> yes. that's beautiful. yes. i like it. it makes something warm in your heart. >> reporter: thank you so much. >> thank you. carved thick. that's the right way to make a good turkey sandwich. the right way to eat it? is however you eat it. panera. food as it should be.
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breaking news in a cruel crime caught on video. a gunman apparently in the midst of robbing and kidnapping a woman in new orleans is interrupted by a good samaritan, a medical student from tulane university tried to stop him. that hero ended up being shot in the sfom stomach, and the gunman tried to shoot him in the face but the gun jammed. police say they have just found and arrested that suspect. cnn's alina machado joins me now.
alina, police say the gunman confessed? >> reporter: that's right, brooke. that's what they're saying. authorities just wrapping up a news conference announcing the arrest of 21-year-old euric cain. he is facing a number of charges including a charge for attempted first-degree murder. police say he had been hiding in his 17-year-old girlfriend's home before he was arrested. and now she too has been arrested accused of being an accessory to the crime. now, this all happened early friday morning. police say gold saw a woman was being dragged down the street, and when he intervened they say that the man in the hooded sweatshirt turned the gun on this doctor. the video shows gold getting shot then falling to the ground. and then the gunman trying to shoot gold in the head twice. thankfully the gun jammed. we do know that gold remains in the hospital this afternoon and that he is recovering and is
listed in guarded condition, brooke. >> all right. alina machado, thank you so much. incredible that gun jammed. thank goodness not just once but twice. and thank you so much for being with me here in paris. we'll be back at it the same time tomorrow. in the meantime let's go to washington, john berman and "the lead" start right now. thanks, brooke. the war against terror has the whole world on alert. i'm john berman and this is "the lead." the world lead, a chilling discovery just ten days after the paris attacks. now what appears to be a suicide vest found packed with explosives. more evidence of threats as police unravel new disturbing signs of terror. the national lead, stepping up security here at home just days away from thanksgiving. the extra precautions to prevent an attack and keep millions of americans safe. the politics lead, he wants to create a data base of muslim