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covered the only way cnn can. let's start with cnn's ben wedeman. he is live in irbil, iraq. what do we know, ben? >> reporter: we know >> we know this incident took place four hours ago in western syria on the turkish border where according to russian officials this russian jet crashed. russians are suggesting that perhaps it was brought down by ground fire but turkish officials say that two turkish f-16s intercepted this plane as it came very close to the turkish airspace and that it violated the turkish airspace after being warned ten times not to and then it was shot down. we don't know the fate of the two pilots. we've seen video of what appear to be two parachutes near the plane where the plane went down.
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there are suggestions by syrian rebels that one of those pilots was killed and that one has subsequently been captured. there are also reports that russia has dispatched helicopters to the area to try to retrieve these pilots but obviously this is a very serious turn of events in an already tense situation. keeping in mind that syria is a theater of military intervention by russia, the united states, the gulf states, jordan, iran, hezbollah, france and others. it's a serious development but not all together one that wasn't anticipated. >> ben, thank you so much for that. the kremlin is calling the downing of their fighter jet a very serious incident. let's turn to matthew chance who is live in moscow. what's the reaction from there? >> reporter: the russians are
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confirming it was indeed a russian warplane that was taken down by that fire. they say though on a number of different levels they dispute the turkish account. first of all, they deny this warplane went into turkish airspace. they say it completely stayed inside syrian airspace where russian is carrying out air strikes against rebel groups opposed to the syrian president. they also deny that this plane was brought down by an air to air missile. turks say the f-16 interceptors were scrambled and shot the russian plane out of the sky. russians say it was brought down by fire from the ground. that will be clarified in the hours ahead. the big concern in russia at the moment was the fate of the pilots. we saw video of the two pilots ejected out of the russian aircraft after it was shutdown before the plane smashed into the ground and burst into
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planes. the russian defense ministry confirmed that both pilots ej t ejected. nobody knows where they are. that's the big concern of the russians to get those pilots back into their custody. >> obviously there's as lot of big political implications to this. thank you very much for the reporting. there was a glimmer of hope that russia could join the coalition on equal terms and help take out isis. what happens now will be a big part of the discussion when president hollande and president obama meet later this morning. we have michelle kosinski live with the latest. >> reporter: stakes are so high for everyone involved. this hollande trip is about stepping up the effort against isis. we saw him meet with the british prime minister yesterday who now says that he will again ask parliament to begin air strikes over syria. we'll see what happens in light of what's going on there right now. as for this visit to the u.s.,
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the white house is framing this as france wanting to continue to ramp up its activity against isis. the u.s. plans to continue its support of that mission to back up what france is doing and to contribute to that in every way possible. what makes this trip even more interesting is that hollande this week right after this stop will go to russia and meet with russian president vladimir putin. the russians are framing this as a first step in building a coalition against isis. a coalition already exists led by the u.s. it's even been suggested that putin might try to convince france to lift some of the sanction against it for what's going on in ukraine in exchange for russia contributing more to isis. the white house says this is not a competition. the sanctions will remain in place until russia changes its behavior in ukraine. also right now the state department issued a global alert because of the possibility of terror attacks that the state department believes will continue as isis fighters
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continue to return to the countries they came from from the battlefield. alison? >> very interesting to see what happens today in that building behind you. now to breaking details in the paris investigation. u.s. intelligence suggests the isis terrorists conducted surveillance on some of their targets and showed signs of military-style training. cnn's international correspondent is live in paris with all of the latest. good morning. >> reporter: so we're hearing from u.s. intelligence officials that that cell phone that was found in a trash can outside of the theater allegedly dropped by one of the attackers actually had a map on it of the theater, of the venue itself. this indicating to u.s. intelligence officials that these guys had done their homework and carried out surveillance on these targets. when you look at the full picture, the multiple locations and discipline that they showed in carrying out these attacks,
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they said it had "indications of tactical planning and military-style training." the other big story that we're tracking from here is that last night french officials found a suicide vest in a trash can in the paris suburb. according to our affiliate, this suicide vest contained tatp, that crude explosive used in all of the vests of the attacks and also contained metal bolts and reportedly that's exactly where the eighth attacker is still on the loose using his cell phone just hours after the attack. >> significant developments. thank you for that. in the meantime, in belgium one man charged in connection with those paris attacks after a series of raids. brussels remains at its highest alert level over concerns of further attacks. frederik pleitgen is live in brussels for us.
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good morning. >> reporter: it's going to remain at that highest alert level at least until next monday. however, what the belgian authorities are going to start doing is at least come tomorrow they'll open the subway system again and opening schools again at least gradually. i want to show you what's going on here today. there's a lot of military activity here on the ground in brussels. public life still very much grind to a halt. some people are out. not very many because it's so difficult for people to get to work, to get back and of course quite frankly because they are all so afraid of the threat that of course is still in place. you mentioned that investigation. the belgian authorities have said in the past 24 hours or so, they have taken into custody about 21 people. 17 of them have been released after that. however, one man remains in custody and has been charged with offenses for terrorism and also relating directly to the paris attacks. and so, therefore, belgian authorities are still looking for people who are behind this,
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still looking for the man who is being sought all over europe and of course a possible network that may be plotting further attacks causing the security measures that you're seeing here. >> fred, thank you so much. we'll check back in with you throughout the program. joining us to talk about this is our cnn military analyst, retired general. let's talk about this russian warplane being shot down. why would turkey take this action? >> because it more than likely flew into turkish airspace and, remember, this is about the third time turkey has warned russian flights to stay out of their airspace. what we know is turkey has the ability certainly with f-16s, which they claim shot down the fighter when it entered their airspace. they have done that in the past against a syrian airplane that
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flew into their airspace. we also know the pilots seemed to have ejected from the video that's being shown by russian tv. russia has already claimed that it was not in turk irairspace. russia also claims it was shot down by a land artillery piece which seems ludicrous right now. we know there have been incursions into the turkish airspace. turkey has warned not to do it. this is a premonition we've had based on russia crossing over international borders on several occasions and almost thumbed their nose at the turks. >> hasn't turkey said the coalition fighting isis could use their airspace? >> not yet. they haven't given that permission to russia. in fact, they warned russia multiple times to stay out of their airspace. what compounds this issue is the fact that turkey obviously is a nato country as well.
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it seems like russia has ignored boundaries in flying over northern syria attacking enemies of the assad regime and certainly turkey has not give permission to russia to enter their airspace. >> what does this mean now? >> this is going to complicate matters especially this week as you have seen president hollande attempting to build a greater coalition against isis. russia has said recently they're going to fight isis although there hasn't been that many indicators that they are attempting to do that. this is going to complicate matters as the coalition builds with france joining the bombing campaign over northern syria, with potential by thursday of this week the u.k. sending forces into syria and into iraq which they've done already. this is going to cause coordination and deconfliction
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problems. >> let's talk about new developments into the investigation of the paris attacks. what investigators have learned that they believe these attackers conducted prior surveillance on their targets. they found a map of the music venue on their cell phone that was discarded. it means these restaurants and music venue were not randomly chosen. they were targeted. what does it tell you? >> a few things. obviously the advanced coordination is something that's coming out with this information. a second thing that it points to, there's been a debate for years about how important is the safe haven to carry out terrorists operations with some people arguing that it's overblown. but the degree of training they have and advanced preparation points to the fact that syria and having that syrian territory may be very important to carrying out a very devastating attack. obviously we need to learn a little bit more.
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this does point to the kind of preparation they were able to undertake. >> as we speak, brussels is still on lockdown. the subway system is closed. schools are closed for yet a second day in a row. what kind of intel must they have in brussels to go to this length? >> it's not clear what kind of intel they have. the nexus to brussels is clear enough. the ring leader was in brussels in january of this year before flying to syria and part of a cell that was disrupted there. his connections are well known. one of the things that's striking about this is the way that you had interlocking cells which were able to get under the radar of authorities. you had the first cell of attackers in paris. there was a second interlocking cell that was disrupted in the raids that occurred just a few days ago and then you may have
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had additional follow-on attacks planned as information is coming out. authorities just don't know how big it is which is striking in terms of the type of operational security that attackers were able to undertake. >> all of this under the backdrop of president hollande meeting with president obama today to talk about next steps against isis. you study terrorism every day. day in and day out. what should the next steps be? >> that's an excellent question. going back to the very beginning of the interview, i think part of the challenge that's inher t inherently faced is you have what could be described as anti-isis coalition. the problem is that various countries are on different sides with respect to the assad regime. turkey wants to tackle assad and russia wants to protect assad. to a lot of observers it looks like the beginning of world war i with various powers and various interests and none of them wants to get into a conflict but there's a lot of danger given the competing
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interests that are at play. the second thing i would say is part of what should be done is what has finally in the past few weeks been part of u.s. strategy, which is actually actively targeting the isis oil that's going out to market and really trying to drain their economy much more than previous attempts have done. i think that's a positive move. third thing is squaring down the operation. >> general, very quickly, what happens this week when president hollande meets with president putin? >> he's going to push toward a stronger coalition within syria and that's true. i think the back and forth is going to be we've got to address the other lines of operations against isis. the financial implications, the flow of fighters from within countries. the internal security, the sharing of intelligence especially between the countries of europe and between the countries of europe and the
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united states. the fact that we have to continue to target in syria but there's a bunch of other lines of operations that both countries can contribute to and that hasn't been the case in the past. >> thank you for your expertise this morning. let's get over to chris. >> critics say that it never happened. donald trump says it did. he saw it. he read it. people are hiding the truth. what muslims celebrating in the streets of new jersey after 9/11. this is turning to the advantage of donald trump and it's a good example of why he's popular. we'll make the case next. five years ago, on any given night, you know, almost 75,000 veterans experienced homelessness. we have reduced those numbers by almost half, but despite the great progress that we have achieved, there are still too many veterans who still need a place to live.
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the reason that trump is popular is because he tells it like it is. muslims were celebrating after 9/11 in new jersey. thousands of them. take a listen. >> i saw people getting together and in fairly large numbers
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celebrating as the world trade center was coming down. i saw them on television, and i read about it on the internet. they said, oh, we can't find anything, mr. trump. low and behold i start getting phone calls in my office by the hundreds that they were there and they saw this take place. >> critics disagree. they say that there was some allegations and small pockets of people but not thousands. and yet people seem to be resonating and rallying to the side of donald trump. what does it mean? is it a metaphor moment? let's discuss. "time" political reporter and political anchor. i submit to you that this is an example of why trump is popping with people. that we like to hide. we like to protect the muslims. he saw them and now we're playing political correctness and he will not. goes the polls. >> this is what he says. there's something that we
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journalists and others want to do which is actually hold people accountable for the words that come out of their mouth. he actually sort of migrated. he said thousands and thousands. he said it at a rally over the weekend. now he changed it to fairly large numbers. he starts wiggling and pulls out a piece from 15 years ago saying there was an investigation that there were reports that something might go on. nothing definitive from the fbi which look eed into this stuff. you have local news organizations that were just trying to figure out what was going on and so donald trump is going to say whatever he wants to. his believers are going to believe whatever he says to a certain extent and then the rest of us have to point out that what he said is not true. what he said is either a gross exaggeration, a complete distortion or a fabrication. >> why don't his supporters care whether or not he's fact bound? >> the trump supporters when you go talk to them at rallies, they love the style and substance they don't really care about. they like the way he talks and
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stands up to authority and the way he stands up to us in the news media and says people in media i like them and people in the media i don't trust. the thing is at the end of the day he's tapping into that frustration with a small segment of the republican party in particular. 33% of registered republicans are frustrated with the way everything is in the country. whether it be every government instituti institution, the media, the economy. these fact checks only help him in a certain sense because it sort of reinforces how he's the outsider and he's standing up to authority. >> it plays who whose narrative you want to believe. ben carson says i was mistaking seeing people in the u.s. with seeing people abroad. this becomes all of a sudden while you would say it's a factual correction. he's owning what he says and putting it in proper context. he's taking heat for it. i think we have sound of it.
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>> let's play it. >> just so you understand the distinction and how it's playing with the base. go ahead. >> we're talking about the reaction of muslims after the 9/11 attack and if they were in a celebratory mood and, you know, i was really focusing on that it was an inappropriate thing to do no matter where they were. they asked me did i see the film? i did see the film. i don't know where they are but i did see a film of muslims celebrating. i thought we were just talking about the fact that muslims were inappropriately celebrating. i didn't know they had an agenda behind the question. >> he was in a safe harbor when he said that. he didn't get beat over the head for it. people perceive that as weakness by him. he's backing off. >> i would take issue with that. in this whole big crazy world of ours where there are different facts and videos and it was 15 years ago, who remembers what.
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for him to simply clarify, look, i remember exactly the video he's talking about. it was shot on the west bank as a matter of fact. it's 15 arizona ago. he tries to clarify and i think that's it. i think you just leave it right there and you move on. now, there's a deeper question of were muslims celebrating and what does that mean for the campaign and what does that mean for refugee policy and what does it mean for questions about immigration and so forth. that's really where the conversation needs to go. so we don't get hung up on these tiny facts about did i see a video. donald trump says he saw a video. he says he saw a video about people celebrating by the thousands in new jersey. he clearly said he saw it with his own eyes. those are clearly not true. ben carson we should salute him for at least acknowledging there was a little bit of incorrect sort of assumptions that came out. >> he also snuck in the i didn't know there was an agenda behind the question. the agenda to get to the truth,
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dr. carson. that's the key. >> his supporters say you play a gotcha game. it's not enough to tell the truth. he has to tell your truth. you hear it all the time. this is working very well now. it's not new. it's newly effective, which is that of course they're going to say i'm wrong. of course they're going to say there are problems with me. they're the media. how much resonance does it get? >> that's in a way the und under covered story of this campaign. they are taking advantage of the public frustration with the media. after one candidate started standing up to the moderators, every single one in series did it and they all got a lot of applause in that room. that's sort of become the narrative of this campaign. everyone is telling their own truths to the american people and telling their supporters, their potential supporters what they want to hear and when anyone dares challenge them to say you're wrong, i saw it or i
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read it on the internet. that's sort of where this campaign has gone. >> thank you. always great to talk to you guys. also, a programming note for all of you out there. tomorrow, republican presidential candidate jeb bush will join us live. we'll ask him about all of this and so much more. tune in for that. coming up, more of our breaking news coverage. turkey confirming one of their f-16 fighter jets shot down a russian warplane claiming they didn't adhere to ten warnings about invading their airspace. more on that next. people don't have to think about
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how to deal with isis is one of the topics secretary of state john kerry is focusing on today during his trip to the middle east. he's meeting israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu in jerusalem and they're addressing the rash of violence in the west bank. palestinians have killed six israeli jews in car ramming attacks. secretary kerry calls it terrorism that must be condemned. >> all four crew members aboard a chopper that crashed in ft.
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hood, texas, were killed. the chopper went down on monday. emergency crews found the wreckage after an extensive search. the victims were on a training mission at the time. no word yet on what caused that crash. minneapolis police are looking three white male suspects in a shooting near a black lives matter demonstration. five protesters were shot. luckily none of the injuries life threatening. it happened near a police station where people have been camping out to protest the fatal police shooting of jamar clark. a spokesperson for black lives matter claims a local group of white supremacists are responsible. a man has been taken into custody after shooting a student in the stomach. peter tried to stop the man from dragging a woman down the street. he shot him once and tried again but his gun jammed. he fled with the woman's purse and was later found hiding at his 17-year-old girlfriend's
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home. doctors say that student is improving. we have breaking news for you this morning. a russian warplane has been shot down by turkey near the border of syria. we'll tell you what this means for the war against isis. that's ahead on "new day."
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we do have breaking news to tell you about this morning because we're following this story. turkey shooting down a russian fighter jet claiming it violated turkish airspace on the syrian border. russia is disputing that. we're joined by cnn military analyst, retired lieutenant general and chairman for the center of analysis of terrorism. gentlemen, thank you for being here and helping us with the breaking news. general, what do we know at this hour about what happened between turkey and russia? >> good morning, alison. what we know so far is it was a soviet aircraft, two seater. two pilots onboard. it's an old nato aircraft. turkey said it was shot down by an f-16 after it violated
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turkish airspace on multiple occasions and that it had been warned ten times in a span of six minutes that it was in turkish airspace and to get out. we know this is one of multiple incursions into turkish airspace by the russians. they're not authorized to do that. they're not part of the coalition so turkey has not given them permission. we seem to know that based on the video taken of the crash that two pilots did eject. we don't know their conditions. we don't know if they're safe or not. we also know that russia doesn't have any of what the u.s. military calls combat search and rescue in an area in case of an incident like this. so it was flying over an area in southern turkey north of the syrian border by about 30 miles and again both sides are giving their own story of it now. there is going to be gun camera film from the f-16s if they in
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fact did shoot it down. there's going to be radar traces of the russian airplanes to show exactly where they were. >> general, they were warned ten times. that sounds bad. only in the space of four to six minutes. what is a pilot supposed to do in four to six minutes if they're already in the wrong airspace? >> that's a lifetime for an aircraft pilot going at about 300 or 400 knots. what they do is they turn around and they head back out of turkish airspace. you're talking about 30 miles in. they could turn the aircraft around and get out of that airspace but it appears from early turkish indicators that they remained in the airspace and continued to maneuver there. again, the aircraft tracks and the gun camera video will show this. ten minutes in pilot time or six minutes in pilot time is a whole long period of air time and airspace they could move out of the area. >> that's good perspective to know. do we have sense from russia of why they didn't turn around?
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>> well, you have seen these kind of things having gone on by the russian military for the last several months. they have tweaked their noses at the west. they've especially done it in turkey. they've been in turkish airspace on multiple occasions and have been warned and remember, there was a russian uav shot down by the turks about a month and a half ago. so there have been other nato nations that have claimed russia has gone into their airspace without authority. they have turned off transponders. they've been somewhat irresponsible in the way they're maneuvering which shows they believe they are in control of the skies and no one has called their bluff. and right now it appears that turkey called their bluff and shot one of their airplanes down. >> all of this against the backdrop of all of these countries, russia included, trying to figure out how to fight isis. president obama is meeting at the white house with president holla hollande to talk about the plan. how does this change the plan or
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what they were going to talk about? >> it could clearly be a game changer. obviously it will exacerbate the situation between russia and turkey and obviously it will be prospects of global and united coalition against isis more complicated to build both for hollande and president obama. probably also turkey doesn't want to seal its border. turkish forces remaining in the long-term will increase its support not only to rebel groups but also its ambiguous policy toward isis. we know and now since months now that the turkish has been using it as a base to recruit jihadists and also a book door for its exportations of many goods reinforcing the finances
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of the group. so probably this incident could be a game changer in raising the tensions in the region and again making more difficult for the west to build a clear and united coalition against isis. >> before i let you go, can we just talk about what's happening in brussels this morning. once again the city is shut down. schools are closed. the subway system is closed. what are your sources telling you about what intel they have that is bringing that city to a standstill? >> well, what happened last week in paris was an operation -- transnational operation carried out by both french terror cells and belgium terrorists cells. it's clear that the investigation is focused on several members here in france and finally naturalized several individuals but it also focused on the belgian side because
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several of them have fled there and there's been a huge support network in terms of logistics in belgian for these attacks to be carried out. the fear from the authorities was that these cells could well trigger a terrorist attack on its soil knowing that there were about to be caught by the police or identified by the intelligence. >> thank you for all of the information about our breaking news today. we'll check back with you. let's get to chris. the threat abroad and then the threat right here at home. so how will new york city deal with a new isis threat just two days before the big parade? we'll get answers from new york city mayor bill . approach remains. we ask questions here.
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u.s. intelligence suggesting the paris attackers conducted surveillance at some target locations and showed signs of
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military-style training. there are suggestions that a suicide vest could have been tossed by the still missing eighth terror suspect. the u.s. is issuing a global terror alert because of ongoing threats. the governor of indiana is facing a federal lawsuit after promising to block syrian refugees from resettling in his state. he insists the feds must close security holes in the syrian refugee vetting process. just in time for thanksgiving. the freezing cold temperatures have arrived in many parts of the country. turning to meteorologist chad myers. i turned on the heat yesterday. if i turn on the heat, it's time to do the same. >> we still had our windows open up here just a couple days ago. the cold has really come in and it's come in fast. we're down in the 20s and 30s.
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warming up across the east coast for the next few days. we get to 60 in the afternoon on thanksgiving. that's good enough. friday your turkey. don't do it in the garage. do it outside. so you have enough nice weather out there to keep the turkeys outside. that's good news. there is snow coming into the northwest and there will be snow for skiers if you're headed to the rockies. there will be black ice on black fr friday. the rest of the weekend looks nice across the country. >> i hope you listened to that. >> alison deep fries turkeys in her house. >> i have an indoor one. >> i don't think she has anything to do with it. >> do i it. i say stand back children as i lower into the hot oil. is that okay? >> donald trump doesn't believe what you just said. i'll tell you that right now. >> we want to figure out how to balance danger and fear when it
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comes to terror, right? there's a new threat against new york just days before the thanksgiving day parade. what do you do? the mayor of the big apple bill de blasio is here live. he's going to tell you how ready they are but just as importantly what their attitude is. >> that's a drill you're watching by watt i. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple veggie dish ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple dinner ever? heart healthy california walnuts. great tasting, heart healthy california walnuts. so simple. get the recipes at
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isis makes threats. that's what they do. when they come to two american cities including the big apple, new york city, just ahead of thanksgiving holiday parade, millions are going to be there. you have to deal with it. >> the nypd is stepping up their counterterrorism training including a major drill this past sunday. >> here to discuss the security efforts and so much more, new york mayor bill de blasio and his wife. a pleasure to have you both here. we want to talk to you about a very important and exciting new mental health initiative that's taking place and is ongoing. obviously with the thanksgiving day parade around the corner, we have to talk about with urgency what's going on in the city. understand there's major preparations under way and have been going on. we saw some drills that the nypd was conducting. how are you feeling about security in your fair city, mayor? >> i feel very good about what
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nypd is doing. we've had the macy's thanksgiving parade for years. it's always been a very big event. the nypd has really perfected over the years how to handle these large events and actually the most impressive version of that is when we had the pope here with 140 leaders from around the world, presidents of different countries and the president of the united states all in the course of one week and the nypd literally made it look easy. they were that good. since then we've now added the beginning of a 500-person counterterrorism force which we call critical response command. this is a specifically trained armed force for counterterrorism activities only. you saw the drills on sunday. very impressive group of men and women in our police force who have volunteered to focus on fighting terror and they are the best of the nypd and i'm really happy to say this is the best prepared city in the country to both prevent terrorism and to respond in god forbid we had any
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here. >> given what happened in paris where soft targets were hit. how can you feel confident it wouldn't happen in new york? >> we have to be sober about the fact that you can never account for everyone. we can say this. for 14 years since 9/11, nypd working with our federal partners, fbi, et cetera, kept the city safe. part of that is an extraordinary intelligence gathering capacity and a real focus on prevention, which has worked. we're adding to that capacity. so what we find is having close relationships to the community and getting intelligence early and looking for those leads using a variety of techniques has helped us to stay ahead of anyone who may have evil intentions but in the age of the lone wolf it's important to be able to respond quickly as commissioner bratton said last week. we have a 500-person plus counterterrorism force on top of the other capacity that we have. if there are multiple events around new york city, we can respond within minutes with a lot of firepower and a lot of training. >> the experts you hear all the
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time are surprised things haven't happened. how much stuff they stop. bad guys only have took successful once. you do have big advantages over paris. that's an obviously fractured society. they have big problems with community that thank god we don't have here yet. it's a different equation. you can never over prepare. >> we have technology on our side. we understand someone's brother launched an initiative app. we know of see something and say something. now there's see something send something. the idea that if you see something, take a picture and then send that image to the proper authorities. >> that's exactly right. people should feel empowered that if they have information, they can actually help to fight terrorism. what we shouldn't do is play into the terrorists hands and change our habits, change our lifestyle, change our democracy. secretary johnson says we can't
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be terrorized. different sides tried to convince each other they're going to lose. this is psychological warfare. if we say, no, we're better than that, we can prevail but it's important for the average citizen if they see something or hear something or think somebody is up to no good, report it immediately. >> we're dealing with people of unstable of mind. mental health is an issue. we're trying to figure out how to deal it because of stigma. if you have schizophrenia or bipolar they call you crazy. stigma you're dealing with doesn't have parity with physical healthcare the way we want it to be. what can you do? >> we need to change the mindset around the mind. it's very much a part of the body. that's what thrive nyc sets out to do. bring about a culture change and help people understand that mental illness is pervasive. the number is one in five new yorkers have a diagnosable
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mental health condition in any given year and it's treatable. this is something that we can address in children and seniors and parents. there is something for everyone. >> what's so interesting is people think that and they think extreme cases. but there are is a spectrum. included in that spectrum one of the focuses of thrive nyc is dealing with mothers. this is very important to you. >> maternal depression is common. estimate is one in ten women who are pregnant or new mothers have maternal depression. we don't really know because we don't collect data. pediatricians and ob-gyns don't always. >> there's a stigma. >> who wants to be a bad mom? >> least likely to self-report. >> that's right. there's such a stigma. a mark of disgrace to feel anything but joyous because you have a new child. it's a disease. it can be treated. we want women to get screened.
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>> this is a personal issue for you. your father suffered. your daughter has been public about suffering. it's heartbreaking. >> and we have to talk about it. we talk about what our daughter has gone through and she's been open. she sees it as her obligation to talk about her struggles, mental health and substance abuse struggles, that's part of how we help reach people is to talk about it. i talked yesterday about what my dad went through. world war ii hero. he was a wounded veteran. battle of okinawa. came back with what we now call ptsd. we tried to avoid the fact that he obviously something he was carrying from the war with him. it devolved in his case into alcoholism and substance abuse and mental health problems so often go together. we have to talk about it. the stigma keeps people from
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getting treatment. >> we're glad you both joined us. we wish you both a wonderful thanksgiving and a safe one. >> happy thanksgiving. >> thanks for being here. a lot of news on the table right now. let's get right to it. a russian military jet shot down by turkey near the syrian border. >> claiming the plane violated turk ish airspace. >> there were repeated warnings to this russian warplane. >> all americans are warned of an increase terror threat. >> soft targets where you don't expect it and become vulnerable. >> investigators discovered a possible vest with explosives in a trash can in paris. >> i saw people getting together celebrating as the world trade center was coming down. >> did you see that happening though on 9/11? >> i saw the film of it, yes. >> news organizations and government leaders call it false.
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we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. you are watching "new day." we have breaking news to begin this hour. military officials in turkey confirming that they have shot down a russian military jet claiming the plane was violating turkish airspace and that russian pilots were warned ten separate times to leave the area. russia denying that claim insisting their plane was flying over syria when it was hit. nato preparing to hold an emergency meeting on this incident. >> this comes just hours before french president hollande is set to meet with president obama. we have every angle on the war on isis covered, the way only cnn can. let's begin with senior international correspondent ben wedeman. what do we know? >> reporter: at 9:24 local time a russian warplane crashed just inside the syrian border in western syria.
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now, the russians admit that this plane did go down. they are suggesting that it was brought down perhaps by ground fire. turkish officials say that two turkish f-16s intercepted this plane as it entered turkish airspace and they warned it ten times within five minutes to leave turkish airspace and when it didn't, they shot it down. now, the russians insist that this plane never entered turkish airspace, but we have seen from a path analysis map put out by the turkish minister of defense that it does appear to have entered turkish airspace. we also saw video put out by rebels in syria what appear to be two people, two parachutes ejecting from that plane. now, syrian rebels have put out video of what appears to be a dead russian pilot.
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the other pilot, his fate unknown. >> thank you so much for that. the kremlin calling the downing of their fighter jet a serious incident. for more reaction from the russians to our breaking story, we turn to cnn international correspondent matthew chance live in moscow. matthew? >> reporter: the russians are confirming a couple aspects of that turkish account. they are saying that the plane was brought down. they confirm a russian warplane has crashed inside syria. they are also saying, this is russian defense ministry, that two pilots apparently ejected themselves and there's video of that as ben wedeman was just mentioning of the pilots, the crew parachuting down to earth moments before the plane crashes into the ground in ball of fire. but they are differing with turkish account on two separate issues. first of all, and most importantly, they say that this
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plane was not in turkish airspace. it was always inside syrian airspace. that's a point of contention between russia and turkey right now. they say it was brought down by ground fire. the turks say it was f-16 interceptors that launched missiles at the plane from the air obviously and the russians are disputing that. and the russians are stopping short at this point for reasons known only to them of actually blaming the turks for this. they are saying -- kremlin saying it's too early to draw conclusions. the russian government appears to be in lockdown. the foreign ministry, kremlin, none of them talking to us at the moment. they're preparing their statement and their position to give us in the minutes and hours ahead. >> very sensitive situation obviously. the russia and russia and the west both have concerns about isis and how to work together so let's see how this is actually articulated and finished. russian jet downed hours before
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this big meeting. what will the french president and american president do about it being shot down? let's get the latest from michelle kosinski. they have to deal with this. russia was supposed to be a key infusion in the war against isis by air and on the land. now what? >> reporter: as usual there are several different dynamic going on here at once. today the french president comes to the white house with a view of stepping up the fight against isis, improving france's national security. the white house plans to continue to support those efforts, back them up in whatever ways are possible. what tangible developments will come out of this meeting, at this point the white house isn't saying. both leaders will take questions in a press conference in just a few hours. now what makes this even more interesting, of course, is the fact that president hollande after this meeting will travel to moscow and meet with vladimir putin and russians are framing that visit as a step toward a coalition against isis.
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there's already a coalition against isis led by the united states and the white house is saying this is not a competition. it still welcomes russia's contributions and cooperation in the fight against isis so long as russia is going to target isis and not just prop up syria's president bashar al assad. the state department has issued a global travel alert because of the possibility of more terrorists attacks. the state department believes they will continue as more isis foreign fighters continue to go home from the battlefield. >> okay. thanks for all of that. also, investigators learning that terrorists who carried out attacks in paris conducted surveillance at some of their targets and had signs of military-style training. what have you learned? >> reporter: good morning. u.s. intelligence officials saying that that cell phone that was found outside the theater
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that was believed to belong to one of the attackers actually had a map of the theater, of the venue on it, indicating officials say that these men were well trained and that they had really paid some attention and done some surveillance on these targeted locations. their words they said indicating tactical planning and military-style training. now the big development here in france overnight is that last night a suicide vest was found in a paris suburb. that vest according to our affiliates were packed with metal bolts and with tatp. that's the same explosive, that very crude explosive that was used in all seven of the other vests that were worn by the attackers during the paris attacks and most interestingly we're hearing from french media that in fact the cell phone of the eighth attacker still on the loose was used from that
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location just hours after the attack. that raising the question of whether that dumped suicide vest belonged to him. chris? >> thank you very much for the new reporting. let's bring back jim sciutto and paul cruickshank. let's switch back to the plane for a second. you have information that you can report to clarify the situation. what do we know? >> this is coming from u.s. defense official saying there were no u.s. forces involved in this. that's of course key because keep in mind turkey is a nato ally. you have express commitments as a result of that but making it clear no u.s. forces involved and there have been a lot of questions with all of those u.s. warplanes flying over syria and russian warplanes they made a big effort at coordination so that they don't come into military contact with each other. it's interesting. i just want to read the first line of this statement because it struck me. it goes our turkish allies informed us that military aircraft shot down an aircraft
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near the syrian border. our turkish allies. u.s. and turkey are like this in nato. now you have them -- reports that maybe one of those russian pilots is dead. this is a serious incident in the skies over syria. repercussions we'll have to watch closely today. >> a quick follow. is one of the things that progress has working for it in this situation is that russia wants in on the war against isis now because of what happened in the sinai peninsula with their plane and different optics that evolved within russian politics. could that help the reckoning of what just happened? >> i think it can. the big picture here as you say, listen, russia still wants to protect the regime of bashar al assad but now they just had more than 200 people blown out of the sky by what all accounts and u.s. intelligence officials shared their assessment was an isis bomb. russia has to retaliate even just to satisfy its own population. so you're likely going to see them and we've seen that to some
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extent have their strikes actually hit isis targets. what they've been claiming for sometime when u.s. says they're hitting forces opposed to bashar al assad. it becomes a two-prong campaign for them. those are two priorities. it's a smart point. they want in on isis. do they blow up as much as they might otherwise? you have the possibility of a russian pilot dead here by turkey, nato ally. it's hard for that to disappear very quickly as an issue. >> doesn't look good because it isn't good. turkey released the flight plan showing to their reckoning the jet was over their airspace. it still takes you to the political conclusion they decided to shoot down the plane because it was in their airspace when you're supposed to come together in the war against politics. all right. let's shift to the threat and do a gut check. the big question is how do we know that what happened in paris couldn't happen in new york city? isn't the best, most honest
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answer, it could. it's a wonder that it has not. experts feel that it's inevitable. it's about when and not if. >> new york city is a top target for isis. no doubt about that whatsoever. i think their best chance of launching an attack here is to recruit european extremists and train them in syria and send them back from europe on planes to the united states. we know that several of the attackers were not on watch lists in paris attack on friday the 13th. some people could have come to the united states and brought powerful weapons completely legally here in the united states and gone forward and launched an attack and could have constructed tatp explosives here. we've seen other plotters linked to al qaeda do that in the united states. you can buy them from every-day stores. >> there's a robust black market as well. one of the reason we push back is from counsel of yours and others, this is not that
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sophisticated. this is not so hard to plan what this guy did. you don't have to be a military genius to do this. that makes it even more likely, right? >> what we're seeing increasingly from isis in syria is terror by remote control that they're communicating with operatives they are sending back by encrypted online apps. >> the cell phone we heard that eighth attacker may have used right after the event showing that connectivity with whoever was giving them instructions. >> there's a concern that's guys were in touch with a whole network in syria. in fact, they now believe the senior ring leader who is still at large and still in syria that claimed this attack on behalf of isis the next morning. >> you know why we're having this discussion. there's a temptation to tell people it won't happen here. we don't have the social fractures that they're dealing with in and around paris and france between the muslim community and everybody else and
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radicalization versus normalcy but a little bit of that is bs. we have real threats here and only so much you can protect against. >> like you, i'm sure, friends are asking all the time, should i go to this event. should i go to paris and thanksgiving day parade? one thing we know is that the scale of the problem in the u.s. is not the same as the scale of the problem in europe. the number of suspected jihadies a factor of ten or even a factor of a hundred greater in a country like france than you have in the u.s. we know the u.s. is the number one target of these groups. they get greater impact when you hit the u.s., the world's superpower. we know the fbi has dozens of investigations under way for isis tied individuals here in the u.s. some 900. one in every single u.s. state. we know that people who sympathize with this thinking are present here. not the same scale of the threat but very possible and that's why
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you have folks like mayor de blasio talking there. they take the threat seriously. they throw a lot of resources at it. counterterror resources. surveillance resources. it's real but not the same as you see in europe. >> jim sciutto, thank you. >> paul cruickshank? >> they have extraordinary resources and western recruits. if it puts its priority on launching attacks against the united states, that's of real significant concern. >> as you say and jim says, they only have to get lucky once. thank you very much. paul cruickshank, if i don't see you have a happy thanksgiving. jim, you the same. turning to politics now. brand new iowa poll numbers showing a shift in the 2016 gop race. ben carson tumbling from first place just last month to third dropping from 28 to 18%. you can see donald trump back on top getting five points in the
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past month. ted cruz getting a surge of support. he's gained 13 points and is now within the margin of error of first place. a reminder the iowa caucuses are less than ten weeks away. planned parenthood is suing the state of texas. the organization trying to block texas from cutting off its medicaid funding. this follows planned parenthood filing similar suits against utah, alabama, arkansas and louisiana. texas plans to cut off medicaid funding for the nonprofit organization in two weeks citing the controversial claims of sale of fetal tissue for research. >> a security mishap at jfk airport in new york. 13 passengers who just arrived from cancun, mexico, somehow skipped customs and security without getting their bags or passports checked. the airline says the passengers were set to the domestic terminal by mistake but most were called back for screening. all are reportedly u.s. citizens. >> i don't get it. how do you skip going through
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security? what's that path? >> you've come back from anywhere. i can see how this might happen. often times they'll have one of those retractible blockers and it will be not in the right place and someone will come along and say we'll guide you this way. it can be a bit chaotic. i come back and forth through many countries many times. it feels that those mistakes could happen maybe more than we would like them to. >> the senior frog t-shirt they were wearing from cancun indicated something had gone wrong. >> the problem here is the airlines are quick to get in front of a story and blunt it instead of owning it and making changes they need to make. they work together. tsa work hand in hand. tsa is obviously responsible. in these situations you need accountability and change and not explanations. >> fix that quickly. brussels remains on lockdown
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the belgian capital of brussels remains on lockdown this morning as another suspect is arrested in connection with the paris attacks. there's still no sign of the most wanted man, the so-called eighth attacker. let's bring in the belgian ambassador to the united states. mr. ambassador, thank you for being on "new day." what is -- explain what we're seeing happen in brussels today. the subways are closed. schools are shutdown for yet a second day. why is that city going to such lengths? >> we fully understand that these are drastic measures but they are proportional to the threat that currently is there in belgium and the threat level has been increased last week from level number three to level number four, level number four being the highest one which means there is serious threat and imminent threat. so that is the situation.
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the government yesterday decided to extend that level four threat for another week until monday next week. although, of course, in the meantime that can be revisited in the context of new information being available. >> meaning that schools and the public transit will be shutdown all week? >> no. that's exactly the point i was going to make. the schools, the metro, shopping areas and so have been closed during the week and yesterday and perhaps today to some extent. as of tomorrow things will be relaxed in terms of the schools can open. the metro selectively will be opening as well so that normal life can start again. which doesn't mean that normality has come to belgium but at least it means that economic life, social life can start again. >> we're looking at the images of what people, regular citizens
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in brussels, are confronting today. all of these men just in s.w.a.t. gear and camouflage, fatigues, it's hard to accept if this would be the new normal and yet, mr. ambassador, when we were reporting in paris, we heard over and over again from experts that france has a problem with extremism but an even bigger problem is in belgium. how did belgium and brussels become such a hotbed of extremism? >> when you see the street pictures, that is simply the current problem we face and the problem is real. as you know, the prime minister has given some indications about the fact that perhaps there was a first terrorist group working in paris and these are the dramatic events. they were assembled also the
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basis of information that we could share with our french colleagues. and a third cell, a third group, was in the process of preparing something in brussels. so that is why the measures are so drastic. on your question is belgian a specific case? i would say that belgium and paris have a similar profile in terms of exposure to terrorist threats i would say that is we have communities, large communities, that have been perhaps more receptive to terrorist threat although i hasten to say that we have come to a conclusion that it's not the muslim community at large that is at stake here but that most often it is specific
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individuals who have been seduced if i may so by the very strong narrative of the jihadies over there in syria. it's very much individual. let me just give you one example. one of the cases we are very much looking at is that of the man that comes from a totalsly normal family. salah abdeslam's brother is on tv asking him to turn himself in. he's a normal guy. a belgium citizen. >> that's what makes it all so challenging and troubling to figure out how to stop this. ambassador, thanks so much for your time this morning. >> thank you. >> let's get over to chris. >> it's become a metaphor moment
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in the campaign. where muslims celebrating in new jersey as the towers fell. no one would want to remember it wrongly. donald trump is making a lot of advantage out of butting heads with the media and critics who say he's got it wrong. we're going to take it through with a member of team trump next on "new day." you can't predict the market. but through good times and bad... t. rowe price... ...we've helped our investors stay confident for over 75 years. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence.
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turkey says it shot down a russian warplane saying that jet violated its airspace on the syrian border. turkey claims russian pilots ignored ten warnings given within a matter of minutes. russia, however, denies that their jet left syrian airspace. the kremlin is calling this a very serious incident. nato is now set to hold an emergency session to address the matter. the u.s. is monitoring the situation. officials say, however, no americans are involved. chris? >> all right. there's a lot on the table right now. it all affects the election of course. we bring in the man from team trump. michael cohen, executive vice president of the trump
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organization and special counsel to donald trump himself. counsel, good to see you. happy thanksgiving in advance. >> to you as well. >> let's take these one by one. 9/11 happens. horrible by anybody's reckoning. the idea of celebrating that is inhumane. donald trump says he saw it. he believed it. thousands and thousands. people say it's not true. he says, yes it is. why make a point of something like this? >> he's comparing it now to what the terrible tragedy that took place in paris and what's going on all around the world with isis. they are really a group of thugs. they are terrorists. and they're changing the way the world sees islam. >> bad guys. anybody who would celebrate something like that no matter what their faith is, bad people. why exaggerate it? >> why say he's exaggeratine ii? >> he said thousands and
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thousands. >> whether it's thousands or one person, it's irrelevant. to celebrate this tragedy, this killing of innocent people, that went to work, right? trying to enjoy the american dream to earn a dollar. it's wrong and mr. trump is making his point. now, many people have criticized and said it's not true. it didn't happen. "washington post" on september 18th, 2001, did an in-depth story on this exact position and they acknowledge -- mr. trump also has millions and millions of followers. as you know on social media. i can't tell you the number of people that have responded and said i'm from jersey and i've seen it. >> here's the thing. i know or people have said it. they say it to me on social media. one, that "washington post" article, they never substantiated a claim of thousands.
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the reason it's relate evant is donald trump may be president of the united states and what he says has to be accurate and thousands and thousands is a gross exaggeration. if you're president of the united states, don't you have to say it right? >> if mr. trump said thousands -- >> thousands and thousands. >> i would have to turn around and say that he's probably right. >> probably right? >> he's probably right. >> he's probably wrong. >> no, he's probably right. >> there's no way to substantiate thousands and thousands. >> there's no way to say that it wasn't. the problem that you have -- >> they don't have reports. they don't have any video. >> they pull it back why? because they are told to pull it back. that's the big -- >> thousands and thousands. >> i don't have the exact number. >> did it happen? yes, it happened. was it something that showed a mass movement? >> it most certainly is. there's a movement out there. >> fbi director turn around and
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said, yes, right now isis is confirmed exists in every single state. you know what? it could be thousands and thousands. it could be a thousand. what the exact number was, i don't know. i don't think it's relevant. i think what's relevant is the point that there are really bad people among us and that's what mr. trump is actually trying to portray. >> whoever did it is a terrible person. we wish we did have video so there could be action taken against them within our system. i'm just saying. accuracy is an issue. another point of this that became a flash point and it's great to get your head on it is this guy comes and protests at the event. nobody likes when that happens. that's part of the process, right? he gets beat down at the event. donald trump says maybe he deserved it. he was doing something terrible. >> he's a professional agitator. rumors are out there and the internet and social media. the guy has been tased 30 times.
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he goes to these various different rallies and he creates all sorts of problems. you know what? it happened. obviously nobody wants to see anybody get injured. >> he said maybe he deserved it. >> maybe he did. maybe he did. he wasn't there to cause a problem. he went there to start a fight. this is nothing to do with black lives matter. this is a guy that's looking for ne media attention. >> a guy comes to your event and gets beat up, he should be against the people that beat him up. >> i agree. nobody wants to see anybody get beaten up. if the guy goes there for the purpose of creating an issue, he wants to be an agitator at what was a great event for mr. trump, 14,000 plus people, you know what? that's between the individual who wants to bea agn agitator a those that want to listen to mr. trump. >> what about their leader? doesn't he want to inspire people to be their best selves.
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>> as a bartender, i would say take him outside. keep hands off. >> beat him up outside? >> you want people to be better than what's coming at them. >> you went outside and helped? >> i said take him an outside. >> every now and then an agitator deserves it. >> it comes down to the quality of the message. trump to turkey. this is a big situation that's going on. i know it's between russia and turkey. we heard from u.s. authorities. no u.s. forces involved, they say. okay. it's not about what we did. this is going to be a leadership moment. what would donald trump do in this situation? you have to figure out a way to keep this from escalating. >> i'm not so sure. i think that this is an issue between vladimir putin and turkey. this is russia and turkey.
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they shot down their plane. you're going to hear all sorts of varying conflicts between whether or not that they warned them ten times. whether or not they warned them once or as i'm sure vladimir putin will say, they didn't warn us at all. they shot our plane down. wasn't even over the territory that they say. and the difference, vladimir putin is not barack obama. he will retaliate. he's not the kind of guy that's going to sit back and allow this thing to go unrecognized. >> also make compound a wrong and make a bad situation worse. let me ask you another quick thing. i don't want to get ahead of this story. it is out there. that the super pacs are raising money and connected to other campaigns and coordinate and don't coordinate, you know how that game goes but they're coming after your guy. we haven't seen it -- bad decision. >> we haven't seen it in full. i don't want to get ahead of the story. if that's true, how does that
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change the calculus for donald trump? >> i've been on cnn on virtually every show and said the same thing. donald trump wants to be treated fairly. he will demand that the gop treat him fairly. if they don't, he'll take the pledge by himself signed, 16 at the time republicans, only one asked to sign the pledge. he did. if they treat him fairly, he will honor the pledge because he's an honorable guy. if they break that agreement with him, as they say woe be on them. >> does the super pac coming after trump equate with breaking the agreement? >> depends on which super pac it is that's doing it. of course they'll claim that we have no control over it and so on. priebus has an obligation to donald trump to treat him fairly and make sure the process treats him fairly and if they don't, if they don't, this will be a very, very bad thing for the republican party. >> heavy words.
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michael cohen, have a good thanksgiving. thank you for being with us. also quick programming note. tomorrow on "new day," republican presidential candidate jeb bush will be here and be tested live. >> all right. the u.s. and france both want to defeat isis but can either put together a coalition that is strong enough to get the job done? will the dust up between turkey and russia affect their efforts? christiane amanpour joins us next. we have many questions for her. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much.
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>> we do have break news this morning. turkey shooting down a russian fighter jet saying the russians violated turkish airspace. they call this a very serious incident. with us now is christiane amanpour. great to have you here. so turkey says russia was over their airspace. russia says no.
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they were over syria. why would turkey do this? >> it's a very dramatic and serious development and to that end nato -- let's face it, this is not just turkey. it's turkey as a member of the nato alliance and it's the first time a russian or soviet jet has been shot down since the '50s. nato is having an emergency session this morning to decide how to react to this. there have been a huge amount of russian provocations in the past. it's been buzzing different airspace. not just in the syria conflict but over the ukraine area buzzing, baltic airspace, buzzing near britain and france and they were doing a lot of entering people's airspace and getting too close for comfort. they have had a lot of warnings against them. we don't know how this is going to shape up and what were the warnings and why did the russian plane go there and why did turkey decide to take it down. the turkish ambassador to washington right now says they
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need to take turkish warnings seriously. two countries are on different sides of the syrian war and may lead this to real serious talk about that so-called deconfliction. ever since russia entered the air strikes, there were people playing around in this airspace without enough rules. >> they may be on different sides of the syrian war. they claim to be on the same side of fighting isis. that's what is so confusing about this whole region. >> the difference is that russia is propping up assad. turkey doesn't want to prop up assad. >> i have that statement from the turkish ambassador who tweeted this. this is our translation. understand this. turkey is a country whose warnings should be taken seriously and listened to. don't test turkey's patience. try to win its friendship. so if russia was intentionally provoking turkey, why? >> you know, it's hard to make any speculation right now. i think it's going to be really interesting to see what this nato meeting comes up with.
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it does come at a time when turkey, russia, the united states, france, are trying to figure out how to -- coalition may be not the right word but how to coordinate an attack against isis. in the middle of that, you have different missions and goals of who wants to go after assad as well. turkey definitely wants to go after assad. the french president is here to meet president obama this morning. we'll hear what they have to say at a press conference later this morning. he's had prime minister cameron to paris yesterday. he's going back to paris where we'll have angela merkel, the head of germany, so this a big week of diplomacy for hollande to try to get a real military coalition. that word is a bit loaded. >> why use that word? >> i don't think so.
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i think they are very concerned about having russia in a coalition. we'll see how it works out. up until now they didn't want to call it a coalition but there needs to be some coordination if they're really going to go after isis. and then the whole thing is what about assad? that's where it gets tricky of course. >> so then how does this change? how does this incident change the conversations happening at the white house and then with putin? >> i don't know. we'll see. it's definitely a dramatic incident and again it's not just turkey. it's nato against russia. it could be framed like that if russia wants to do that. probably, hopefully, they'll want to try to deconflict and we heard this technical language when russia started its bombing about americans trying to deconflict the skies and get each side into their own corner so to speak. >> you spelled out perfectly how complicated this all is. it can't be a tough sell to get everyone onboard to fight isis. that seems like a general shared
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goal. >> you're right. it can be a tough sell. certain countries want to do it by air. for instance, david cameron, prime minister of britain, is going back to parliament to try to get the parliament to allow him just to join the air strikes. britain isn't even in the air strikes over syria right now. they are over iraq but not over syria. a couple years ago when we had the red line business that was crossed and uncrossed and all the rest of it, chemical weapons by syria, britain did not get parliamentary approval. step back and that was a dramatic turn for britain not to be in these coalitions in the middle east. cameron is trying to get his parliament onboard to allow him to go to air strikes. there's another group of experts and militaries in some countries that believe that isis can only be tackled on the ground. the idea is how do you do that without having a full scale war. there are all sorts of questions that the leaders haven't yet
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figured out or at least we don't know the answers about how they're going to deal with isis and assad because let us not forget that even though isis is the cause of what we have seen in europe in paris, et cetera, the huge majority, 96% of the deaths in syria are because of assad and his barrel bombs and his air force. >> always great to get your perspective. we'll see what happens out of these white house and nato meetings today. thank you so much for being here. coming up, a new survey shows that more americans think racism is a bigger problem now than they did even four years ago. is our nation going backwards when it comes to race relations? we'll have that conversation ahead.
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race and race relations have certainly dominated headlines this year. it has become a part of our national conversation. so cnn and the henry j. kaiser family foundation joined to explore how whites, blacks and hispanics feel about race
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ethnicity and the role they play in all facets of american life. the findings, here you go. half of americans feel racism is a big problem. that is up from a decade ago and up from four years ago. have racism and administration changed or has just our perception? don, i was thinking back. it is so easy to think that the number has almost doubled since four years ago. i was thinking back to '95 when things were still kind of high. what was going on. >> 2011 was near the height of the downturn in the economy. and then president barack obama had just been elected. but that is interesting o. it was only 41% in 1995 that said racism a problem in america. and then 28% and now 49%.
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that is half. and to me that is an interesting number. but what is more interesting and probably not as surprising is that blacks and whites see it differently. when you break it down between blacks and whites and hispanics, racism a big problem in america. whites 43% say it is a big problem. blacks, 66% say it is a big problem. >> and hispanics. >> 64%. but you said the question, is it real? or perceived? and how do you measure it. >> somebody's reality is real to them. >> yes. this is a big survey we did in partnership with kaiser. when you look at these number, 30, 40 years ago you and i may not have been able to even sit here. >> fair enough. >> right? >> yeah. >> so my grandparents even my mother could not walk on the
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same sidewalk as the white person. you county have that happening overtry in society today. so how does one measure progress. >> that. >> that's something we can measure -- >> to say in 1985 or 1995 that it was, you know, it's worse now -- >> then look at the realities. is the fact that black and brown faces make up a majority of the men that are in prison. look at the majority -- >> -- industrial complex. >> and the prison pipeline. talk about what's going on in inner cities where people are -- >> talking about the videotape that we're waiting for chicago for -- >> that's reality. >> that is reality. >> well, it is a perception of reality. >> right. >> because what you will hear from the other side is you and the media decide how to make these things related to everybody else. and instead of somebody attacking the cops you make it the cops attacking them. instead of guys doing crimes and being in prison you make it
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sound like they are victims. people have different perception of reality on the same side of statistics. >> this also plays into it. because we see more of it. we're able to record more of it. and record not just with police officers but interactions with people and you are able to document it more. >> so that is awareness. >> right. >> so the awareness has gone up. maybe the numbers aren't effecting the awareness. where whites 20 years -- >> can it also be a expectation of what we -- >> we'd thought -- >> yeah. and where would bit under president obama. i think a lot of people had great hope that things would improve under the leadership of a black president. >> i can't give it away. the full release comes out at 10:00 p.m. the most interesting point to me was the biggest problem was institutional discrimination or
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was it individual prejudice? and it is not exactly what you think it is. because we talk so much about institutional racism, institutional racism. to me and i guess i'm kind of giving it i way. but to me what would be more important is that it is baked in the sauce. you go to work for an institution and there is racism there. you live in a country where there is institutional racism. but it is surprising. the pole results don't actually show that. i think it is a bigger problem when it is baked into the sauce. because it is harder to deal with. you are discriminated against. people don't see you in a certain way. when i was growing up somebody called you the "n" word or, you know, you just told them back or that's what made -- >> a lot tonight on this special. i'm -- >> you're doing what matters most. you're putting it out there. discussing it. doing it in a positive way. and that is the only way to get progress --
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>> let's point you to the special tonight. it will air with don lemon. conveniently named considering you are hear. race in america airs 10:00 p.m. eastern. we're following a lot of news. let's go get to it. to our viewers in the united states and around the world you are watching "new day" and we have breaking news. turkey shooting down a russian wash plane. they say it was violating their air space and has the flight plan to prove it and the pilots ignored some ten warnings to leave the area. the russians insist that is not true. that the plane was in syrian air space when it was taken out. >> nato is holding on emergency meeting and it is sure to further strain relations between russia and the west. andhollande and obama
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meet this morning. >> reporter: the only factor that seems to be clear is that at 9:24 local time an su-24 russian war plane crashed in the mountains of syria near the turkish border. there the narratives split. according to the russians the plane was flying all the time within syrian territory. and that perhaps they say it was brought down by ground fire. as far as the turkish government is concerned, they say that this airplane, the su-24 was warned ten times over the course of five minutes not to enter turkish territory. now, they have put out a path analysis map that would show that indeed the russian aircraft did cross briefly through
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turkish territory. now as a result of that, two turkish f-16s were scrambled and they shot it down. we've seen multiple videos of this su-24 crashing to the earth in flame, blowing up over a mountainside. also video of two parachutes coming out of that plane. we have spoken to our springer in syria who is in contact with the rebel group in that area. they say they shot with automatic weapons. one of the pilots as he was coming down. we have seen video of a dead -- what appears to be a pilot. the fate of the second pilot however is still unknown. >> thank you so much. russia meanwhile calls the downing a very serious incident. president putin calling the incident a "stab in the back." for more matthew chance live in
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moscow. strong words from president putin. >> absolutely. and the russians are furious this has taken place. potentially facing the loss of two pilots, a war plane as well. at the hands of turkey. the are russian president has given his reaction for the first time in the past few minutes to this downing of the russian war plane. calling it a stab in the back by turkey. saying it will have consequences, serious consequences for the relationship between russia and turkey. putin did not believe the plane violat violated turkish air space. it came down four kilometers, about two miles inside syria. so the russians with vladimir putin leading this rejection,
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rejecting this suggestion that the plane was downed inside turkish -- or violated turkish air space. vladimir putin also expressing his anger that turkey immediately called for a nato meeting. as if he said it was us who had shot down their plan, whereas in fact it was them who shot down one of ours. vladimir putin extremely angry. saying there will be consequences calling this incident a stab in the back by turkey. >> okay. thank you so much for all that background. the russian jet downed just hours before french president hollan hollan hollande. >> reporter: french president hollande is on tour to step up the fight against isis. yesterday we saw him talk to the british prime minister. it will be interesting to see how that works out since
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parliament rejected it the first time around. here in the u.s. hollande will talk about ramping things up. improving national security. once the u.s. has continued support on that, which the white house is fully prepared to give. as for what concrete developments will come out of this, the white house isn't saying. we're going to have to wait and see what happens in this press conference in a new hours. but making this even more complicated is the fact that hollande after this visit will meet with russian president vladimir putin and already the russians are framing this as a positive step towards a coalition against isis. there is already one led by the u.s. and there is speculation putin is going to try to convince france to lift some sanctions against it over what's going on in ukraine in exchange for contribution more to the fight. the sanctions will remain in place until russia changes its
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behavior. the u.s. welcomes russia's contributions and cooperation but it has to actually fight ices and not just prop up bashar al assad. and the there is a global travel alert because of risk of more terrorist attacks which the state department believes will continue. back to you. >> everybody always says it is not a question of if. it is of when. but boy did the leverage just change against isis with this plane being shot down. we have breaking details out of france. u.s. intelligence now suggesting the paris attackers conducted surveillance at some of their target locations and showed signs of the military style training. this is key to figuring out who the enemy is whethat they can d. the u.s. issuing a the global terror travel alert because of
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these threats. >> a man in belgium charged with the paris attacks. brussels remains at highest security level. flooif brussels with more. >> reporter: you are right. there is still that terror threat level going on. behind me, soldiers on patrol. there isn't much public life going upon. and that is because almost everything is still in lockdown. subway is not working. schools closed. both set to reopen tomorrow. the highest state of alert is set to remain in place until at least monday. all of that pending developments because the authorities as you know are still chasing that main suspect salah abdeslam. they believe he could be somewhere here in the brussels area.
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but at this point in time after 48 hours of very intense raids they still don't have him. they have one person they have now charged for terrorism offenses in relation to paris attacks however they are still searching for abdeslam and the other thing they are still searching for is possible associates of his. because one of the reasons you have this high terror alert level is because they fear people close to abdeslam could be plotting attacks here similar to the ones in paris. the people here hoping things will get back to normal soon. >> how quiet the streets are behind you. thank you for that. we're joined now my our cnn counterterrorism analyst and cnn military analyst and former member of the joint chiefs of staff. colonel, i want to start with
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you. let's talk about what we've just seen. turkey sees russia was flying over its air space. russia says no. turkey has just released a flight plan they say illustrates their point that in fact i believe it is the red circle you see on the lower part of your screen that shows that the russian airplane was circling and that it was in fact in turkey and over turkish air space. colonel, what do you make of what happened today? >> well what we is could see here is actually a different read of the radar picture. the russians could have one view of the radar picture and the turks another view. and the turks are going to act on whether they see and not what the russians see. there is a possibility that the russian plane was actually over syrian air space and that the turks miss took it for fillying over their air space. we'll have to see the accuracy of the radars and the other
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sources of information. >> colonel, the turks say they issued ten warnings to these russian pilots over the space of 4 to 6 minutes. should the russian pilots have done something? >> normally what they do alisyn is they respond to those warnings. they are supposed to respond to those warnings. what this tells me is that the russians are actually operating under radio silence, possibly under a different frequency than what the turks are using to communicate with them. and that there was no communication between the turkish ground controllers and the russian aircraft. >> we just had christiane amanpour on. how do you see what happened this morning? >> i see it entirely differently. the issue here is vladimir putin is in iran yesterday talking to the iranians. there are two countries that
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have leverage in the diplomatic effort to figure out the solution to bashar assad. that's moscow and iran. in the midst of that tap dance the turks decide if someone violates their territory by a couple of kilometers they are going to cause a military incident with the russians. i think the turks are to blame in this one. i think they decided to shoot down an aircraft because they are irritated with the russians. but there are bigger stories here that the turks are ignoring. and that is can we get to the table with the russians about the diplomatic solution in syria? >> what about that? what about the theory that the turks over reacted? >> well i think certainly think there are very strong overreaction in this case as well. what i was describing was the technical aspect behind it and how things could have gone wrong what.
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we're dealing with here is absolutely an elevation of the diplomatic climate here and a real danger that the efforts to bring together a coalition could actually collapse because of this stiincident. in essence we're dealing with a lone cowboy on the turkish side and that's going to create real problems for the coalition and the effort against isis. >> putin has just put out a statement calling what happened today a stab in the back and he has said quote it will have serious consequences for ties with turkey. what does that mean? >> the turks have asked for nato to come forward and talk about this. i would be surprised if nato did this. the turks have stirred this up. they are going to have a conversation. and the since the isis war escalated you have had difficulty controlling your border. over the summer you announce
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you're joining the coalition for air strikes, the air strikes the turks engaged in as far as i could tell were largely to go after kurdish targets. and now in the midst of diplomatic conversations among the west the turks decide to shoot down an aircraft. if they think talking to nato is going to get nato to say hey we'll back you against the russians? i hope they have a surprise coming. >> if it turns out that teamwork did overreact, what does nato do? >> nato basically sencensures turkey. they will say thank you very much for describing this and what they will also try to do is they will try to develop some kind of a coordination mechanism beyond what we currently have with the russian air force in syria. so that is really going to be the hopeful outgrowth of this so
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that this is deconflicted and as much as possible incidents like this don't happen again. >> all of this set up on the backdrop of all of these countries trying to come together and fight isis somehow. president hollande meeting with obama today. does this incident change something? >> i think it does. there are a couple things that have changed the conversation. the backdrop is obviously the huge refugee flows into europe. the past few weeks you have a significant change in isis. months ago we had isis passively saying to terrorists around the world, stay in place and do something. the incident in paris indicates that now isis has changed. they are training people to come over to the west to stage attacks. and meanwhile, with refugees, with terrorism, you have the incident in turkey suggesting the likely hyde of conflict -- i
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think the conversation has to include not only wha do we do about isis but how do we escalate conversations about the difficult diplomatic solution? because the white house doesn't want to engage with the russians on this but the reality is there is one country has a clue to the future and a key to the future. and that is moscow. the answer is about continuity for president assad. but at some point you have to figure how to shut down the civil war. otherwise the chaos is going to continue. >> colonel, what do you think will come out of white house today? >> well i think what we're going to see is the discussions between president hollande and obama are going to result in some kind of an agreement to further intensify intelligence sharing. and i think that hollande is going to be that mediator between washington and moscow. and i think phil is right in this sense that this is going to be a key element of the next diplomatic efforts in this arena. what we have to do is establish
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a mechanism to survive in the middle east and to have a basic structure developed out of all of this. and to do that the syrian civil war must be put to an end. >> thank you so much for both your expertise. a big part of that equation, the syrian refugees. now, the house has passed a bill to keep them out. the basis? potential risk. and do the facts support that? one lawmaker says yes, there are poisonous grapes in there. he joins us next. just real roasted turkey. salt. pepper. carved thick. that's the right way to make a good turkey sandwich. the right way to eat it? is however you eat it.
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liberty mutual insurance. welcome back to "new day." syrian refugees desperate, innocent or terrorists in waiting. the house passed a bill blocking refugees effectively. polling shows you agree. now here is the question. does the fear match the facts? congressman steve king represents iowa and sites on the committee. he joins us now. we get a headline that canada is going to let them in. that is what it's about. where he a humanitarian spirit. why doesn't that logic carry through to the united states? m >> well my objection to the bill is you cannot vet people who come out of the terrorist sponsoring countries and particularly syria and to a bit
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of a lesser degree iraq. you can't do a background check on them. we don't have any database to check. and on top of that we got sent down the wrong path on this. it isn't about whether we can vet them or not. we simply can't. but we know if we bring in people from that part of the world some of them will become terrorists. if they aren't when they arrive a number of them will be afterwards. so why should america take this on when cheaper to help them in foreign countries and they would assimilate better into the neighboring muslim countries. >> point to push back. one we're only dealing with the overflow, the overwhelming majority have gone to neighboring countries. we're taking but a fraction. two, if you are going to make the case that well if we can't vet them completely they shouldn't get in, then there are a lot of other police statipula should start with because you have less vetting of other groups of immigrants and less
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favorable statistics what happens once they get here. you know syrian refugees you can almost point to not a single fact that has been shown to make them a threat in this country. >> well i would say instead of that we have at least 72 in this country that have been convicted of or charged with terrorism that the administration refuses to give the senate inquiry information on them. and we know in the last three or four days up to 14 syrians have been caught trying to sneak across the southern border. we know that isis has directed them to infiltrate into the refugees. and we also have the imams preaching in the mosque, including in jerusalem for migrants to two flow into western europe, flow into the united states, build your enclaves. don't co-mingle with the broader
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population. and spread their version of -- in these countries. what we're about here is building a culture in america that honor americanism. and people that want to come here to become american and then can co-contribute to country. we should welcome them. but if they -- >> 785,000 refugees have come into the united states since 911. about a dozen arrest order removed because they were involved in terrorism a 1 in 100,000 chance. so certainly you have refugees coming to do exactly what you say, americanism. i just don't see the factual basis for excluding an entire class of desperate people. isn't there another way? isn't there a compromise?
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and if we don't do that and do what this bill suggests? aren't you afraid that you're playing into the isis's hands and showing you are afraid and showing you are against these people who are desperate? doesn't that help isis. >> >> i think it is the other way. no we're not afraid and we -- first, i should say i've gone into these enclaves, the center of these enclaves all over europe. from stockholm to netherlands to brussels and walked through the neighborhoods and i've gone down to see the refugees. i've watched and walked with the hi migrant flow 6,000 a day out of serbia and croatia and into germany. so i see this. but what we can do is we need duty to end the civil war as we
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heard in the priest segment but more importantly we need to defeat the caliphate and create an international safe zone so syrian christians and others can go back home and people with live in their native lands. and that is going to take a coalition of kurd, sunni arabs and special force, u.s. special forces on the ground and unlimited military equipment and supplies as far as all the kurds think they need and unlimited air support. this can be done. the map will be redrawn. but the people who live in those areas can go back home. it is the best thing we can do for them and for stability in the world. >> hasn't the promise of america always been if you are looking for a better life, let alone if you are running for your life that you can come here? and with the vetting, no group gets vetted more than these syrian refugees. why can't they find a home here as well?
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>> well chris they are talking about 10,000 out of maybe four and a half million syrian and iraqi refugees and it is a drop in the bucket but we're in a new world. we have global trosm who want to kill people who are not like them.errorism who want to kill people who are not like them. they believe they go to nevin they can kill us especially if they are -- >> we understand the madness. >> -- dealt with this before. >> we understand the madness is question is is the solution to blame the victims? let's leave it there for now. we have breaking -- >> if you can identify the two victims, chris. >> thank you. appreciate having you on. remember, tomorrow on "new day" live republican presidential candidate jeb bush will be here. okay?
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so. over to you guys. >> okay. chris. thank you. we do have some breaking news. the wires are saying there's been a security alert. pretty significant. a number of metro subway stations in central paris have been temporarily closed. trains are passing through the station without stopping at the point. we don't know what has prompted this action but we have our reporter in paris. the plaza de public. >> meanwhile putin says the downing of the russian jet is a stab in the back. while a turkish official warns the world not test his escalating patience. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever?
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breaking news this morning. turkey shooting down a russian fighter jet saying they violated turkish air space. putin believes this is a stab in the back. joining us for more is jim sciut sciutto. so many development, jim. we need to tick through these things. talking about this downed fighter jet, russianer fighter jet. i'm curious what you think the overall international reaction is going to be to this. we understand putin's made some comments. turkish officials have made
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comments. but this going to be viewed as an escalation. >> it shows how dangerous the skies are over syria because you have so many countries involved now. the u.s. has treaty allegations to turkey. u.s. jets over there. french. it is complicated skies. this is why u.s. officials have been so concerned about getting deconfliction between u.s. and russian war planes and they have come to an agreement they have a way of notifying when they are close so there are no misunderstands. where this plane went down is not an area where u.s. planes operate thankfully. but that is a u.s. ally involved. and president putin went on to say it is a stab in the back by in his words accomplices of terrorists basically accusing turkey of supporting isis and other groups fighting assad which russia sports. it is a witches brew.
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>> what kind of problem does it pose for the coalition? >> here is a big issue. does it escalate? and does russia feel the need spo to respond militarilmilitar. but there are a lot of pressures here. >> we're watching news that alisyn just told us about in paris. we're going to try to get a reporter there. but we know there was a newly discovered yesterday what appears to be a suicide vest in a trash bin in paris. how significant is this for investigators on scene? >> it is potentially hugely interesting. they also tracked the cell phone of that missing eighth attacker,
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salah abdeslam to the area of that garbage bin. there is possibility that he bailed on the operation. maybe his vest didn't work. but it is also possible he decided not to go forward with that level of the attack. it is just a really interesting possibility. now you see the paris metro stations being shut down. i was there for a week. it is a hair trigger finger, pardon the expression. but they are not taking any threat -- they are taking every threat very seriously. so if they get a whiff of something they are going to shut things down. >> all right. let's pivot here. you have a very special report airing tonight called "targeting terror inside the intelligence war." you were given unprecedented access to all sorts of security organizations and personnel. really curious. what was the most memorable thing. you saw what your takeaway was. and the big question you posed, are we safer now than before? >> we have exceptional access
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here. you duet a real sense of the inside of these organizations. i think people back home know about the cia and the nsa. but you have 16 different intelligence agencies involved. they are looking at all the pictures and data from satellites. so many groups involved with the effective mission of keeping americans safe. but what struck me is that you have all of this capability. hundreds of satellite, the nsa with tremendous surveillance capability. but in this day and age very simple tools can counteract that. terrorists can use an app to encrypt communications and the nsa is effective will i deaf to those. satellites, i got to tell you. the next front may very well be in space. a lot of weapons being developed to take out satellites. when you come to the terror
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threat they are working every day to stop these kind of attacks and the fact is they are stopping a lot of attacks but paris showed you, you don't need a lot to break through that net. and that is a worry. and that is what keeps then up at night, literally fighting this war. >> jim i'm sure it keeps you up at night as well. thank you for joining us and we look forward to this special tonight. tune in at 9:00 p.m. to see this special report. we are following breaking news. a security scare in paris right now. subway stations have been closed. we will go live to paris for the latest nerks. eligible for medicare.
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breaking news. there is a security alert in central paris. subway stations are temporarily closed in the area. clarissa ward is joining us with the latest. what was the response? and any sense yet as to what was prompting all this? >> reporter: so it was just about 40 minutes ago police suddenly started to pour into
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this square behind me and started to push people out. they wouldn't tell us why. they just kept telling us, back up. back up. get out of the square. we saw dozens of police officers pour into if area. and interestingly, one of them we saw was looking through the flowers in a memorial behind me. he had some kind of a mirror and he appeared to be looking through those flowers trying to ascertain what kind of a threat there was. we went to one of the metro stops and talked to some police officers there. they actually were willing to speak us to. but all that they would say is there had been some kind of a bomb threat on the paris metro. and all of the surrounding stations around the plaza which is where the media has been centered, all of the subway
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stations have been closed down. police are subsequently opened up the square again and have let journalists and passers by come back into the square. really how something like a small incident can develop into -- i wouldn't describe it as panic but certainly can quickly develop into a high level security operation where people are being evacuated from an area because everybody here chris is on such high alert. >> it just shows how on edge everyone, including obviously law enforcement is. back here, amazon boss jeff bezos has conquered ecommerce. now he's focusing on outer space. his new company blue origin has already launched one unmanned capsule. a second flight is planned the end of the year which hopes of landing and reusing a launch rocket. live from san francisco, is
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rachel. >> reporter: i just spoke with him and he and his team are celebrating right now because they just pulled something unprecedented off. they actually landed their rocket and it will be reused. now what blue origin is focusing on initially is space tourism. they haven't started selling tickets. they haven't also disclosed how much they will cost. but i got to speak about the significance of what they pulled off. reusability and sort of the holy grail of space flight because it would reduce the cost by some say a hundred fold. >> we now know without any doubt that you can build a reusable rocket booster. so we're now entering. and this is the first of what will be many test flights. over the next couple of years we're going to fly this vehicle,
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many many times. and then when we are highly confident in it we're going to start taking people up into space with it. >> he and his team like i said are very excited right now. certainly celebrating. back you do michaela. >> thanks so much for that. so after the terror attacks in paris, how are muslim americans feeling and reacting? we'll explore that ahead. i have asthma...
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in the wake of the paris attacks the backlash against muslim communities is as bad or maybe worse than after 9/11. first the house passing legislation to lock down the country to syrian refugees -- all of them. and -- muslims maybe should be monitored and registered. our next depressant is here to shed some light and have frank talk. the executive director of muslim advocates and a senior correspondent for religion
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dispatches and a fellow at the -- institute for religious policy and understanding. let's just enable our conversation. the starting premise is there. the president of the united states won't even say what this is. he won't say that they are muslims. he won't say it is slaukist terror. he won't. he's hiding. he's placating. what do you say? >> just a few minutes ago a turkieamworurkish airplane shot russian airplane. what does it gain us to -- and we're just going to go and say all of you are bad just because some of you are bad? that is the thing that is dangerous that this is bad for us from a national security perspective. >> i didn't say muslim terror.
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they are all muslim. if you identify as muslim that is what you have to be taken as. but why can't the president say islamist, islamism. terrorism, e extremism. why can't we be accurate to what the groups identify themselves as? >> well let me first say that i like all americans believe that violence whatever the source, we need to be kept safe from that violence. and i certainly share the level of fear and anxiety i think a lot of americans have. i was traveling in brussels actually this summer. so as these images are flashing across our screens it hits home for me. i think going to your question though u i think the key thing and what i find troubling as the muslim is that by constantly referring and using islamic terms we're actually reinforcing their messaging. they want this a war of the west
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versus islam but this isn't. this is a war about civilized society against, frankly, a death cult. and i think that is what the real concern is. >> you know what the concern is on the pushback. it is that he's trying to protect. he and these other lefty, they are trying to protect these muslims because they are afraid of them. and he doesn't want to be honest and say the truth, which is these are muslims but in truth i have many muslim people in my life. i feel very lucky that way. and they say listen i'm fine with calling these guys. say they are extreme islamists and that is find. that is different from my faith. is that a meaning. distinction to you? >> it is. but this is meaning between security and bigotry and we're not making that. --. will not do the same thing about gun violence, mass shootings, white supremacist or racist groups. >> you know what they say.
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the gun battle doesn't result in somebody wanting to chop my head off. people say this is going on right now and these guys are trying to chop our heads off. how can you compare them to the kkk and anybody else. nobody is bad. >> it is worse than that. chris christie comes out and says not even a three-year-old refugee. you are saying a three-year-old kid with no parents who's raised in that completely different context and culture is nevertheless going to grow up to be a terrorist. what you are saying in effect is being an arab and muslim is a genetic condition and there is no escaping it. and so even someone who mazz literally been abandoned by the world and too young to know what's going on is still a threat to our country. >> the only way i can relate to this is when i'm trying to process this. i remember growing up as the kid in queens everybody assumed you were italian you were in the mafia. we just dismissed it. but now you hear the thousands
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and thousands of you people were celebrating as the tourist came down. how do you hear those words? and how do you want to respond? >> frankly, the reckless and irresponsible antimuslim rhetoric we're hearing is actually dangerous and it is contributing to a very toxic environment in which the signal that is being sent, the american people that it's frankly open season to harass, attack and discriminate against american muslims. that is not what we are as americans. the core values of who we are is a commitment to freedom, religious freedom and that there is strength in our diversity from all different faith and racial backgrounds we come together. and our diversity is our strength as the country. and so what we need at this time, especially this difficult time for americans and for our country is for public officials from both sides of the i'll to step forward and to aisle.
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. and i really applaud people like aaron rodgers and interfaith allies who have been standing up and standing with the muslim community. >> leaders come in many forms. and different sectors especially in american society. and we're always happy to have this conversation because it's got to yield some understanding. we can't stay the way it is right now. thank you very much. always a pleasure. please to both of you a happy thanksgiving. this is just a little piece of dialogue that needs to happen many times in different ways. i be let's keep the conversation going. tweet us facebook us. whatever you like. also we're going to take a break now but when we come back we got
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this week. take a listen to how here the skewering white house hopefuls. >> bernie sanders called for a alliance with russia and the middle east to fight threats around the world. you mean like russia and the middle east? and ted cruz announced they will announce at a national prayer team next month. will people will pray for ted cruz to win. [ laughter ] then god said oh i tuned out of this thing weeks ago. >> yes, i picked up this cruz at auction. it's a bit weird but i do have
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eccentric tastes. >> and trump told reporters maybe he should have been roughed up because it was disgusting what he was doing. and you might have a point because what he was doing was attending a trump relay rally. >> great. >> we videotahave another funny build on right now. we're stealing the good stuff back. because chris -- it is actually about chris. and you are probably asking chris t good stuff. how is that possible? >> men's health just named chris one of the fittest men of 2015. >> i look od on the cover. >> chris is 45. and says his five day a week workout regimen helped him save a man over the summer. and he's got good company. for the record, chris placed
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eighth. and by the way he's also a contributor to the magazine. >> that's true -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> he's able to do this with a diet of a doughnut a week. every friday. >> congratulations. >> you're not happy for me. time for newsroom and carol costel costello. >> i have some office coffee for you in a paperwork as my congratulations -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> have a great day. news room starts now. good morning everyone. i'm carol costello. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. we begin with breaking news. the french president at andrews air force base right now. his plane just touching down. he's headed to the white house for what could be a tense meeting over russia,


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