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much more news then, full coverage of what the president said today, the secretary of homeland security. in the meantime, "newsroom with brooke baldwin." she's in paris. that starts right now. good evening, 8:00 local time here in beautiful paris, france. i'm brooke baldwin. of course, continuing our special live coverage of the terror attacks. you're watching cnn. today some breaking details about one of the suspects. investigators are trying to hunt down. a source close to the investigation tells cnn that mohammad abrini traveled to syria last year and somehow returned to europe undetected, which is extraordinarily concerning for investigators. keep in mind abrini is the new suspect. this is the same man who we talked about this time yesterday who was caught on camera in a gas station en route from bruls els to paris with the other fugitive they're also looking
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for, salah abdelsalam. and saw them on this footage just two days before the attacks. so i can tell you an international arrest warrant is now out for abrini. another huge concern for investigators here in france, watching for signs of radicalization among airport and public transit workers. a french counterterrorism source says the monitoring actually had been going on for a number of years. this is not new. this did not just start. but that is continuing as well. there apparently also had been some complaints among some of the union that's that had been happening, the radicalization had been going on. it so happens one of the men that attacked the bataclan theater two friday nights ago in paris had been a bus driver here in the city of paris until three years ago. france is also stepping up its attacks against isis even more in iraq and syria. they have now carried out hundreds of air strikes since the attacks here in paris. french prime minister says there
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is no alternative. french president says there is no alternative, that isis has to be destroyed. moments ago, president barack obama echoing that concern, reminding americans how the united states and other nations are going about taking out isis. >> so far, our military and our partners have conducted more than 8,000 air strikes on isil strongholds and equipment. those air strikes, along with the efforts of our partners on the ground, have taken out key leaders, has taken back territory from isil in both iraq and syria. we continue to work to choke off their financing and their supply lines and counter their recruitment and their messaging. >> cnn international correspondent ivan washington joins me in paris of the let me begin with the new fact, that this new system mohammad abrini had gone to syria as recent as last year, returned to europe undetected which has to be extraordinarily concerning for
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investigators here. >> reporter: that's right. and especially because a number of the suspects who were involved in the paris attacks were believed to have come back from syria. it raises some serious security challenges for europe. that's part, brooke, of why it's important for the german and the french leaders who just concluded a press conference here in paris and about a half hour ago were behind me at this makeshift memorial laying flowers together to victims of the november 13th attacks. it's part of why their meeting is important right now, to try to deal with some of these very serious challenges facing europe. how is it that so many people who went to fight alongside isis were able to get back into europe and then carry out devastating attacks here in paris? and another challenge that the german chance letter angela merkel just raised was the enormous flow of hundreds of thousands of refugees and
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migrants that have been crossing borders illegally to get into europe. these are chal evens that these two european powers are having to face. it's part of why the french government has proposed a $10 billion euro fund to shore up europe's borders and improve intelligence sharing. those are two key areas where there have been some major gaps and flaw s revealed by these devastating attacks in paris. brooke? >> ivan, thank you so much. back at home in the united states, listen, tomorrow is thanksgiving. with the terror attacks on so many minds of so many americans, heading into the holiday, president obama has just spoken, saying every possible step is being taken to keep the united states safe. >> right now, we know of no specific and credible intelligence indicating a plot on the homeland. so, as americans travel this weekend to be with their loved ones, i want them to know that
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our counterterrorism, intelligence, homeland security and law enforcement professionals at every level are working overtime. >> so let's head straight to one of the busiest airports with jason carroll live at new york's laguardia airport. listen, we are about to be part of the busiest travel part of the year. are you seeing more security at laguardia? >> reporter: without a question, we've definitely seen more security, more tsa agents. we've seen them floating around hooer, members of the national guard walking around patrolling as well. so we have seen and increased presence here. what we have not seen are the added lines which one might expect on a busy day like today. you can see the line there, take a look. that's a line you would see quite frankly on any normal day. but when the line gets really long it actually ends up extending down the hallway that way. as you know, tsa has doubled down on security and you combine that with one of the busiest travel days of the year, one
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would expect to see a lot more out here. but not the case simply because they've just been keeping things moving through very, very smoothly. the travel alert you know about the worldwide travel alert says that u.s. citizens should not avoid travel, just use extra vigilance when they're here at airports or in public spaces. but even having said that, in the number of passengers we've spoken to out here this morning, most of them saying that, yes, they are concerned. it's not going to stop them from traveling, but that travel alert definite fully the back of their minds. >> certainly i think everybody is a little concerned, but i'll also feel like security has been stepped up so much that hopefully we're well protected. >> i feel fine. i feel like if we get scared and don't do it, then they win. so very comfortable. >> we appreciate the security because we know it's for our own good. >> reporter: and brooke, we also did a check on some of the other
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airports across the country, checked atlanta, o'hare, dallas as well as l.a.x. things seem to be moving smoothly at those airports as well. brooke? >> all right, i like it. i'lling landing at jfk in time for turkey i hope. happy thanksgiving, my friend. back here in france, the french president francois hollande has been busy this week trying to bolster more international support to destroy isis after the attacks here in paris. right now, he is meeting with german chancellor angela merkel. this comes just one day after the french president was in washington at the white house meeting with president obama, and it continues tomorrow. hollande sits down with russian president vladimir putin. i have terrorism expert who joins me at our paris bureau. nice to see you, sir. thank you for having me in your beautiful city. >> thank you. >> let me begin with one of the threads tonight is the fact that we're hearing from
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counterterrorism officials here in france that they have been looking at and investigating employees at the airports, charles de gaulle, buses, trains, potential for radicalization. how long have you known about this? >> well, for years now until at least 200or o2004. the concern is to have radicalized individuals working in transportation companies that could pose a threat threat to national security or could travel abroad, including syria and iraq. we know many of them have already traveled. for example, if you look at the situation in the public transportation in paris. i'm told that tens of employees of that company have already traveled in syria and iraq since 2013. >> for nefarious reasons? >> sorry? for jihad. that's a huge number regarding one single company. so the issue is to really check
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these individuals one by one. we've done that already after 2001, after the 9 is it 1/11 at and we found a lot of preachers of radicals inside those companies. >> and it makes sense because of the access they would have to trains, to buses, to of course planes. we know they've been looking and speaking with companies who represent employees who were working on tarmacs at the play juror airports in paris and have access to planes. beyond that, i think for an american audience, can you explain as well here in paris to know that one of these suspects, this driver, mohammad abrini, had gone to syria last year, comes back to europe. no red flags go off. but he returns to france. how? >> well, the problem is the following. we can have people on watch lists nationally, and we had several of the suspects in our watch list, whether in france or in belgium or elsewhere in europe. the problem is with the schengen
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external borders. we have no more internal borders in europe. >> what do you mean by that? >> we cannot check our citizens traveling from france to belgium, for example. we only have external borders, someone coming from abroad entering the schengen space will be controlled except the schengen citizens, our own citizens. we cannot do systemic control of the border against our own citizens. and this is a shame. we've been telling that for years, and france has requested that systemic control be in place at the external borders of schengen because today we're seeing that the threat is internal. it's coming from our own citizens who have been able to go abroad to syria and iraq and come back to commit terrorist ajts here. and we cannot have any control. >> crossing borders. >> so we're blind. >> you're blind. >> we're blind. >> thinking for people who have never been on europe, hopping on a train going from country to country is like being in america and going from state to state. it's quite simple.
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for the fact they've been able to go belgium, france, it's really -- it's the syria part of the equation, especially if someone is on a watch list or flagged previousry, that that person could slip back to this part of europe, that's the frightening part. >> an american citizen coming to europe will be controlled because he's a foreigner. but french citizens coming from syria -- >> this individual was czech and moroccan. >> no. the moroccan had information that this individual was -- had entered back into europe, but we didn't. we couldn't check that. >> that's right. because it was also the moroccan intelligence that led the french authorities to let a lot of people know these people were in france. >> because they were doing surveillance on members of their families in moroccmorocco. >> thank you so much. so much more to talk about here in paris. coming up next on cnn this evening, breaking news involving the russian jet that was shot
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down. turkey now releasing audio of this alleged warning toxd these pilots before the jet was taken down. but the surviving pilot tells a much different story. plus, donald trump says he can predict terrorism before it happens. another eye-brow raising remark he says will not hurt him whatsoever. and chicago. why did it take that city 13 months to charge a police officer in the death of an african-american teenager? the video is out. the outrage putting the city on edge. i'm brooke baldwin live in paris. you're watching cnn's special live coverage.
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turkey military just released an audio warning that fighter pilots issued to a russian jet before shooting down the russian war plane along the turkis turkish/syrian boarder. this comes hours after the rescued co-pilot said there were no warnings from turkey before his war plane was shot down. now, in this audio recording a voice is reportedly heard saying, and i'm quoting the recording, this is turkish air force, you are approaching turkish airspace. change your heading south immediately. change your heading south. russia's foreign minister says this, that turkey's downing of its war plane tuesday appears to be a planned provocation. russia says it will -- on syria's coast less than 30 miles from that turkish border. let's take a listen to the audio recording.
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>> i have sitting next to me in paris cnn international's hala gorani and reuters' david rhodes. so david, let me actually begin with you. hala, i know you spoke with the prime minister of turkey. david, let me begin with you. it's almost like this he said/he said situation. nato is investigating. how will they figure out who's telling the truth? >> i'm not sure they'll ever know the truth, but it's possible that there was this warning and what's amazing is how fast these jets are moving and what it looks like is that if the russian jet did cross into turkish air space, they flew across the sort of two-mile swath of turkish territory so it was a total of 17 seconds. again, 17 seconds that the russian jet is technically inside turkey. clearly maybe as the turks are claiming they warned the jet as it was approaching turkish territory. so turkey could have ignored
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this. they could have let this happen. but the turks are arguing this happened over and over again and they decided in this situation to respond. >> hala, you just spoke to the turkish prime minister last week talked to the foreign minister. you have before all of this happened, asked about putin and russia. what did they say? >> this was before, about ten days ago i spoke with the turkish president. i asked him about russia's involvement in the syrian war and predictably he told me they are not doing the right thing, this is not stra deej itegicall right move. they should focus more on isis and certainly not some of the anti-assad rebels. the president told me quite clearly, look, they are targeting in the northern part of syria turkmen fighters. turkmen fighters are ethnically close to turks on the northern side of the border. so they feel russia is going after fighters that they have an ethnic kinship with. that is the problem in turkey.
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whether or not this will escalate, i tend to believe it probably won't in the short term. we are hearing fu read through the lines of all the statements we're hearing from the russian foreign minister and his counterpart in turkey, they're saying we don't want to escalate this. they're taking symbol -- making symbolic moves to punish turkey by saying to russians, don't go on vacation there. there are 3 million russians who vacation in turkey every year. it will sting economically. but do they want open warfare? it doesn't appear that to be the case. >> this could be be seen as a russia versus nato situation. david, more on hala's point, what turkey is saying about putin. you bring up a great point, too. you have two huge personalities who have reputations as both being pretty tough guys. >> well, they both -- their political currency in both countries is they are strong countries. aired abohn was defeat this year
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and came back in a second vote by promising security to turks. pulten's whole theme in russia is the resurgent russia, the fact he's in syria, that russia is a great power. i worry if there is something that goes wrong here, both leaders really don't have much political room to back down. i agree with hala. there are strong economic ties between the two countries. three-fifths of the natural gas that turkey gets comes from russia. again, in this new interconnected world economically, we shouldn't be fighting each other. but they're both very common leader that sort of is emerging in different countries, this sort of strong plate of national allism. that's a dangerous factor at the same time. >> interesting, both of you agreeing on that. i guess despite putin's larger than life language, strong consequences and stabs in the back. what do you think happens next? >> well, i think, as i said, in the next few weeks perhaps no escalation. there's no real political or
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military will for that to happen. however, what this illustrates is quite -- is quite frightening in that the skies over syria are extremely crowded. mistakes happen. accidents happen. and any time a country engages itself militarily in a situation with the intent of conducting a quote unquote clean operation, it is always a slippery slope. i think this is where there is a real danger when so many actors are involved in the same theater. >> hala, thank you. david, thank you as well. coming up next, do the paris attackers have a safehouse in the city? disturbing new information about why a second wave of attacks may have been imminent. also ahead, dash cam video released in a chicago police shooting that shows a police officer shooting a teenager 16 times. why did it take the city more than a year to release the video and to charge the officer?
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16 shots in 15 seconds. that is what hit chicago teenagerer lequan mcdonald during his final moments alive. that is what is seen in dash cam video police have just released. a warning, the video is absolutely disturbing to watch. because it happened so quickly, we have slowed down a portion of it. remember, this is october 20th of last year. police were responding to a call of mcdonald wielding a three-inch knife. the video was released without any audio. >> many people feared once the footage went public it would rip
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apart the third largest city in the united states. it did not. just five arrests during protests tuesday. but what the video does do is shed much more light on why prosecutors charged this police officer who fired jason van dyke with first degree murder. owe's no longer on the force. his attorney says, despite what the video shows, van dyke's shooting was justified. >> he was in fear of his life as well as the life of his fellow police officers. when he jumped out of the car, the subject made a motion which put my client in fear that this individual was perhaps going to attack him with the knife. >> with me now, lorenzo davis a former chicago police commanderer, an attorney, former member of chicago's version of a police review board and, full transparen transparency, sir, i know you are suing the city because you say you were fired from the
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independent police review authority for refusing to justify officer-involved shootings. the ipra says the allegations are, quote, baseless and without merit, but, that said, 23 years on the force, lorenzo, thank you for joining me. you say you have known about this video. you were not shocked by it. and i want you to explain why. >> i have known about the existence of the video. i had not seen it. i am not shocked by it. there have been other videos of police officers using what i would call excessive force against subjects, one in particular, the shooting of mr. flint farm er is on video. it is just as bad as the video of lequan mcdonald.
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yet state's attorney alvarez refused to charge mr. see era who killed that young man on the film. however, she has decided now to -- >> i think we just lost you. i wasn't sure if we just lost lorenzo. forgive us for that. we will bring him back as soon as we can. breaking news, more breaking news, wre now learning belgium is looking for at least ten suspects believed of being terror threats. what does that mean? those details ahead. plus, did the paris attackers have a safehouse in the city? disturbing new information about why a second wave of attacks may have been imminent.
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>> no, i'm not surprised. as i said before, there have been more than 400 police-involved shootings since 2007, and the independent police review authority has determined that all of them up until now have been justified. and the state's attorney's office has investigated all of them as well and has chosen to only charge one person, and they lost that particular case in court, the case of detective donte serven who killed rakeel boyd. other than that, there have been no charges. >> the fact there is a first degree murder charge is, then, to your point, new in chicago. >> that's new, but it almost
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seems like that's because of people like myself have shined the light on what's going on in the city. and because of shootings, killing s in other parts of the country, now it's no -- really no surprise to me that the city has decided to do something to blunt the criticism and to blunt the demonstration that's are to come. >> mr. davis, four or five people arrested. who knows how much larger the demonstrations and protests could be. but let me ask you about something i heard from a lawyer this morning, saying that the fact that this video of this young man's death has been released may actually hurt the prosecution. he cited the potential for pretrial prejudice. is that something that, as a whistle-blower, would worry you?
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>> that would not worry me. i think that he might be more worried about the mayor of the city of chicago, mayor emanuel saying that the video was horrific and then saying he had not seen it. now, that might be a reason, you know, to be concerned about prejudice in the case. >> so many people have seen it now. to your point, hopefully for the most part in chicago despite the gruesome, horrific video, that it remains peaceful in your city. lorenzo davis, thank you so much for the time. the search for at least two terror suspects in the paris attacks continues.
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the city here remains on heightened alert and in nearby belgium authorities say they're looking for at least ten people. and as the united states prepares to head into the thanksgiving holiday, we heard from president obama earlier this afternoon saying there was no specific threat against america but warned travelers to of course be aware, be vigilant. cnn's tim lister is joining me now here in paris with a little bit more. you have some new information on what happened with one of these men who is still on the run as far as what happened that night, two fridays ago. >> yes. salah abdelsalam, the man they're looking for who they think is in belgium. on friday night, according to phone records, they detected where his phone was at a particular time. he spent five hours in a southern suburb of paris supposedly in a parking lot. but was he in a house nearby? is there a safehouse? we know he abandoned the car he had.
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it's 15 kilometers away. he didn't walk it. he had a suicide belt. he probably didn't take the metro. so someone took him there. was it mohamed abrini, the guy he's seen with on the 11th of november? the take-away is they need to know so much more and this is expanding the whole time. a new name every day. >> yes. >> so according to one investigator we spoke to today, they think this is the largest plot since 9/11 in europe, given the numbers that are appearing. we've had another guy, mohammad dell vaughny who we know came across italy from greece on a ferry. he was arrested in turkey. does he know more? then the ten in belgium. >> what about the ten in belgium? we know brussels is on lockdown, the most heightened alert in the country. who are these people? what are they suspected of conspiring to do? >> according to the belgians they were plotting multiple attacks on shopping malls or
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similar venues -- >> in belgium? >> yes. you have to realize it's very easy to obtain weapons in france, belgium, ak-47s. >> why? >> because they come from the vul kenz, a massive amount left after the youk owe slauf war. now they're finding a new market. that's the biggest fear, it would be a coordinated gun attack that would cause mass casual casualties. remember the suicide vest caused very few casualties. almost every person killed that night was shot dead. that is the big concern for the belgians and their biggest problem is they don't know who's come back from syria. and they admit that. >> with the driver who was in syria as recently as last year who somehow slipped through the cracks, came back to this part of europe undetected. >> exactly. there's at least four or five people in this part alone who were in syria, came back to europe, some of them perhaps
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using the migrant passports, but they came back to the europe undetected. belgians didn't know they had come back, neither did the french ff it ae'sit's. >> it's incredible the information they're getting from cell phone intel. have we learnedor more about what they believed to be a suicide vest found south of the city? >> where it was found is exactly where salah abdelsalam -- >> his cell phone. >> his cell phone records show him in that area where the suicide vest was dumped. >> incredible. >> and the vest definitely had tapt, the same explosive used in the attacks at the bat la can and elsewhere. they've tied him there. why would he go all that way to just dump a suicide vest? he must have gone for another reason. his friends arrive from belgium at 5:30 a.m. to take him back to the belgium. >> so many pieces of the puzzle still missing. >> oh, yes. thank you very much.
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next, donald trump tells voters in south carolina he can do almost anything, and his supporters will not leave him. is that right? plus, jeb bush telling cnn this morning that trump just preys on people's fear. we will discuss that and so much more. we're talking politics next.
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between a bunch of turkeys trying to win their way into the white house. some of you caught that. well, today i can announce that the american people have spoken and we have two winners. their names are honest and abe. i can confess that honest looks like good eating, but this is a democracy. abe is now a free bird.
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he is totus, the turkey of the united states. yes. is he attacking you? my political director is getting pecked by totus. i want to thank the chairman of the national turkey federation, dr. douglas, as well as farmer joe headen who personally raised this turkey in california's central valley. america is, after all, a country of second chances, and this turkey has earned a second chance to live out the rest his life comfortably on 1,000 acres of open land complete with a barn called the white house on turkey hill, which actually sounds pretty good. if for some reason abe can't fulfill his duties to walk around and gobble all day,
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honest is in an undisclosed location ready to serve as the totus -- in the totus line of successi succession. oh, boy. by the way, can i just -- i am going to publicly thank malia and sasha for once again standing here with me during the turkey pardon. they do this solely because it makes me feel good. not because they actually think that this is something i should be doing. and, you know, as you get older, you appreciate when your kids just indulge you like this. so i'm very grateful.
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where was i? later today, michelle, malia, sasha and i will take some of the less-fortunate turkey brothers with us. they will have been packed and frozen. to help serve a thanksgiving meal to homeless veterans here in d.c. it's a reminder not only of the spirit of giving during this holiday season but our national obligation to make sure all those who serve and sacrifice for our country have a place to call home. my administration considers this one of our top priorities, making sure that we're bringing about the reality of zero homelessness for our veterans. and i want to thank jandall turkey form in pennsylvania for donating the turkeys for us to share with others for the
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seventh year in a row. it is hard to believe this is my seventh year of pardoning a turkey. time flies even if turkeys don't. >> that's good. that was good. >> i thought it was good. you think it's funny, too, don't you? i know some folks think this tradition is a little silly. do not disagree. i've gotten to listen to my critics say i'm often too soft on turkeys. and i'm sure the press is digging into whether or not the turkeys i've pardoned have really rededicated their lives to being good turkey citizens. but i do enjoy this chance to wish america a happy thanksgiving. you know, we go include challenging times, and so often
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the news of the day can make folks discouraged. but the fact is that we live in the greatest country on earth, and we are blessed in so many ways, most of all because we have families and friends and people we care about. we look out for each other. we looked out for our neighbors and our friends. we're grateful for the brave men and women of our military who serve all around the world and for the families that miss them. i'm especially grateful to have the privilege and the honor to serve as your president. i'm also grateful for the fact that the bears are going to beat the packers this weekend. with that, i hope that everybody has a very, very happy thanksgiving and i now am going to go over and, with the power vested in me, officially pardon this turkey.
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>> don't interrupt. by the power vested in me, you are hereby pardoned. give abe a big round of applause. >> hear hear! >> he's a natural. thank you. >> thank you so much. >> great to have you. see you guys.
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>> oh, the turkey pardoning. time-honored tradition at the white house. we all needed a moment of levity here, didn't we? the president, the daughters, turkey jokes, all happening there at the white house ahead of the big thursday thanksgiving. of course, the president doing this just hours after a much more serious tone at the white house, just reminding all americans in the wake of what's happened here in paris and in fear of what could happen with regard to any other potential attacks saying, listen, take the train, hop on a plane, continue on with your daily routines. there are no specific threats of any kind of attack. so, with that, we're going to take a quick break here from paris. we're back after this. >> made contact with my right arm and 13,000 volts of
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electricity went through my right arm, down my side and blew out my foot. 30 days later i wake up from a coma, my entire right arm is gone, half my left and burns over 40% of my body. >> but he says he never let the "why me" attitude take hold. >> then i started thinking, okay, i've got to get my life back, but i've got to learn how to do all these thing forz myself. >> he accepted that challenge and learned a whole new set of skills to achieve it. and then he discovered triathlons. >> it's a great way to go out and challenge myself, be competitive. >> he swims on his back, bikes using his knees to break and steer. you may recognize him from this popular youtube video changing a bike tire with his teeth and feet. 119 races later, hector says he's never felt better. >> i'm happy to be alive. i got a second chance at life. i want to live it to the fullest. >> dr. sanjay gupta, cnn reporting.
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donald trump claims to be able to predict terrorism before it happens. >> the other thing i predicted is terrorism. a friend of mine called who is very political. he said, forget that. you're the guy who first predicted terrorism. i said in that same book, this is -- i can feel it. they say trump can do almost anything and nobody believes s leaves me. i took heat because i said in jersey city -- i said very strongly and very correctly, there are people over there that
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were dancing in the street and they were dancing on rooftops. and a lot of people said -- if you watch the show you'll understand. i'm not making that up. there are a lot of people, they said actually tailgate parties. >> republican rival jeb bush slammed trump's tactics when he talked to cnn. here he is. >> donald trump says these things to prey on people's fears, their anger, their frustration with washington. he's quite effective at it. but he doesn't know what he's talking about, and he's not a serious leader. we're living in difficult times. we need serious leadership to be able to solve the problems that we have domestically and lead america around the world so we can create peace and security for ourselves. >> let's marinate on this. i have cnn political contributor peter biener joining me. also trump supporter scottie malhughes of the tea party news met work. great to have you on.
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peter, first to you, this is what you've written. quote, most importantly, like mccarthy, trump has responded to americans' fear of foreign threats by arguing that the real menace lies within. my question is, you heard jeb bush. would you agree that bush is correct, that trump is effectively preying on people's fears? >> yes, absolutely. i think he's not only preying on people's fears which are right but playing on people's exhaustion with america's involvement in the middle east. while the other candidates are talking about establishing no fly zones in syria and arm syrian refugees, trump said, you don't have to worry about that. we will build a wall, close down mosques and basically by oppressing our muslim population here, which he is demonizing by unfairly saying that thousands of them were cheering 9/11, we can simply sox tlve the problem
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here. which is similar to what mccarthy said about the threat of communism in the '50s. >> scottie, i know trump is your man. jump in. >> well, he's not my only man. i'm not paid by the trump campaign to go along with every word he says. but i'll say this. 69% of americans according to the latest cbs poll believe there is an attack imminent here, terrorist attack, here on our soil in america. it's not necessarily preying upon fears. it's actually telling the truth, that the majority of american onz both sides of the aisle feel. now, about his sitting there and saying -- he doesn't say we need to ignore what's going on in russia. in fact, he's continuing to say, no, we neefd to let russia handle syria and worrying about our borders. he's handling both sides of the issue. for bush to swing at him when he only has 5% of the poll and is ranked fifth place shows how desperate they are to take out the top without realizing they need to go after people below trump like the cruzs and rubios. but jeb continues to fail at all
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efforts of taking trump down. >> peter, to scottie's point with regard to the poll and you have the majority of americans who are fearful. you also say republicans won't abandon trump because of this increased focus, because of what's happened here of course in paris. terrorism is dominating headlines globally, domestically. explain that. some believe trump's ratings might actually change with this increase risk in terror. >> right. i think trump's core message is that somehow he can build some kind of wall, real or metaphor cal, between the united states and the dangerous things in the world, whether it's illegal immigration from mexico or terrorists coming into our borders or our own muslim population in the united states. so the fear helps him. what's different between what he and other republicans are saying is that they are focusing on how america should respond overseas whereas i think he has a quick fix answer, which is basically if we simply start taking away
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the rights of muslims here in the united states, that will protect us. i think it's wrong. >> listen, brooke. >> i think it's dangerous. but it's working. >> scottie, you're shaking your head. >> even cc cnn in 2009 did a great, great story on homegrown hate where anderson cooper and drew griffin admitted there were revolutionary muslims in america, in new york and new jersey who celebrated 9/11, who were here to take out america. so it's not necessarily a made-up fight. you don't have to connect the tea leaves to realize there are some terrorist issues here in america as well as internationally. we just want to sever those ties, something donald trump is saying. i'm happy he's talking about securing my family first before worrying about all of those on the other side. that's exactly what is about building a wall. he's talking economically with jobs. just right now, terrorism is at the top of the headlines, hence, why this is dominant. >> there is homegrown hate among muslims who want to threaten the
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united states and donald trump also represents a certain species of homegrown hates when he talks about latinos as racists and says the thoughs of muslims cheered 9/11 even though -- >> he's talking about illegals who are here. there are facts to back up what he's saying. >> ma'am, i didn't interrupt you. every single news organization that's looked into that says that is untrue. yet he continues to say that. >> you mean to tell me there's no illegal hispanics here raising -- >> no. no. >> killing people because -- >> no. i was talking about -- if you were listening i was talking about his claim about thousands of muslims in new jersey cheering 9/11. it's been debunked by everyone tflt's a very dangerous claim at a time when about a third of republicans according to polls want islam to be illegal in the united states. demonizing a group of people who are suffering, very dangerous and irresponsible and i think hate-filled. >> here's the deal. it's one detail on the campaign trail. granted, i'm not -- >> scottscottie, we have to go. >> president obama said 57 states.
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mistakes happen. >> this is a much more serious thing when you're talking about registering muslims in the country. >> i know you're on opposite ends of the spectrum. thank you very much. i want to move on. top of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin here, special live coverage continues on these terror attacks out of paris. today we have more breaking threats details about one of the suspects investigators are trying to locate. a source close to the investigation tells cnn that mohamed abrini traveled to syria last year but his return trip to europe apparently went undetected which is obviously quite concerning for investigators in counterterrorism. keep in mind, this guy i'm talking about, the same man caught on camera at a gas station as he was traveling from brussels to paris with this other person investigators want to find, this other fugitive, salah abdelsalam, days before those attacks here in paris.
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an international arrest warrant is now out for abrini. another huge concern for investigators, they are watching and by the way have been for years we're learning for signs of radicalization among airport and public transit workers here in pairgs. a french counterterrorism source says the monitoring has been going on for years but is definitely getting more intentioned in the aftermath ever the attacks. now, it just so happens that one of the men who attacked the bet aclan theater had been a bus driver three years ago. also today, paris is stepping up attacks against isis in iraq and syria. they have now carried out hundreds of air strikes. french leaders say there is no alternative. isis must be destroyed. that was precisely the same message echoed back home in the united states by president obama from the white house, standing there reminding americans how
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the u.s. and other nations are going to take out this terror organization. >> so far, our military and our partners have conducted more than 8,000 air strikes on isil strongholds and equipment. those air strikes, along with the efforts of our partners on the ground, have taken out key leaders, have taken back territory from isil in both iraq and syria. we continue to work to choke off their financing and their supply lines and counter their recruitment and their messaging. >> let's begin with our cnn international correspondent ivan watson here in paris and beginning with this piece of information, ivan, that this driver, abrini, who was in syria, came back to ultimately france and came back without any warnings or red flags being raised, which has to be extraordinarily concerning for these investigators. >> reporter: yeah. and another problem here, brooke, is he's not the only suspect to have that kind of story behind him.
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one of the suicide bombers at the stadium of france where mohamed abrini is believed to have dropped the suicide bomber off at, another man was wanted by belgian authorities with an international arrest warrant since the beginning of 2015 after he was believed to have traveled from belgium to go to syria to become a jihadi to fight alongside isis. so you have a couple of people here who went to syria and then investigators and authorities did not know that they had gotten back into europe. that's a big, big concern right now for european leaders. it's part of the reason why the french frez francois hollande is trying to push a new diplomatic and government initiative with other partners here in europe. it's part of why he's meeting with the german chancellor angela merkel as we speak. they laid flowers here at this makeshift memorial for the victims, and they're talking about trying to find better ways to track people, to push through
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a program called a passenger name recognition system that would allow european governments and authorities to better share the names of people on planes and riding on trains within europe's internal borders. they're also trying to discuss ways to better control the external borders which have been overwhelmed by hundreds of thousands of refugees and migrants pouring in day after day. all of these presenting really big and serious challengeses europeans say they have to tackle with extreme urgency in the wake of these attacks. >> kind of like the more information the more you realize all the challenges facing these investigators here. ivan, thank you. i want to begin with that and bring in cnn law enforcement analyst art roderick in washington. he's also the former assistant director of the u.s. marshal's office. sitting with me here in paris also, thank you gentlemen for being with me.
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i think stefan, just beginning with you, talking to tim lister a couple of minutes ago here in paris, it's almost like i'm reminded of all these new faces and suspects. apparently ten people they're looking for in belgium with a potential plot within that country's borders. it's like it's what we don't know i think that is most frightening. obviously they had help and they were able to come in, this abrini guy, come back in from syria and help them pull off what they pulled off here in paris. >> absolutely. it was a huge organization. they needed a lot of people, logistical help being of course, cars, the apartment also rented by a friend, with a very big network. there are a lot of belgian people who live in france, french people who live in belgium. of course, this operation is such a skill, you need a lot of people to help with it. maybe some of the people didn't really know what they were up to, but it's clear that the links are very important because
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they all grew up in the same area. they knew each other. they were either family of each other, friends. they went to school maybe with each other. so this is part of a larger network and as the investigation is ongoing we're learning more and more details and some of them are very chilling. and even frightening sometimes. >> beyond frightening. even here in paris you hear sirens and people are -- the tone is different. there is pause. art, to you, with these ten new suspects in belgium and this manhunt under way for them, what are investigators doing? take me behind the scenes of a manhu manhunt. how do they even begin to find these people? >> well, that's been a problem from the very beginning, brooke. as you know, there are certain areas over in belgium and in france where law enforcement just doesn't go into. and they have no connectivity with that community. so i'm not surprised that there hasn't been phone calls between those specific neighborhoods back to the police letting them know what's going on.
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so i think in this particular case they happened to get information post-attack. they didn't have any intel prior or little intel if any at all prior, and i think this is just the beginning. they're going to be finding more and more suspects as they peel this very complex onion back. >> and the fact that, you know, in northern france and belgium it's quite easy to get guns. they're coming in from the balkans, getting smuggled in. when you think of the bloodshed that happened in paris two fridays ago, it was the guns. you were making an interesting point on a commercial break. now that we're learning for years now the french authorities have been looking into the potential islamic radicalization of workers at paris' airports and public transit. you're saying this is not that big of deal. why? >> you must know the two international airports at paris employ over 130,000 people. all of these people are vetted. maybe not as thoroughly as they
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should be, but the incident or the people radicalizing, these are maybe 10 or 20 people. the same thing with the metro operation, our atp, the name of the company, it's also active in d.c., it's operated by the paris metro. employs 60,000 people. there have been incidents of people like praying during ramadan for instance that has led to some quarrel s amongst colleagues. these people have been fired. but it's true that the intelligence service knows there are some people radicalizing -- >> one of the attackers here in paris was a bus driver. >> right. these are huge employers of many, many thousands of people. it's very hard to vet everybody and basically unfortunately they also reflect a society and of course we have radical elements in the society so it's almost logical we find them back in large companies. >> stefan de vries, thank you very much. art roderick, thank you. next, breaking news involving that russian jet that
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was shot down. turkey now releasing audio of an alleged warning to those pilots before their jet blew up. the surviving russian pilot, by the way, is telling something completely different. also ahead, more breaking news involving football legend frank gifford. we are now hearing the stunning discovery made after his death involving his nfl career and concussions. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin live in paris. the best of everything is even better during red lobster's ultimate seafood celebration. with jazzed up new dishes like the decadent grand seafood feast and the ultimate wood-grilled feast why wait to celebrate? so hurry in, it ends soon.
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you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we're following breaking news about the late nfl legend frank gifford. gifford's family has now confirmed that he suffered from cte, saying in a statement, while frank passed away from natural causes this past august at the age of 84, our suspicions that he was suffering from the da bill tating effects of head trauma were confirmed when a
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team of pathologists recently diagnosed his condition as that of chronic traumatic ev encephalopathy or cpe, a degenerative brain zooesz disease. the deadly brain condition that we now know afflicted many professional football players, cte can only be confirmed after death. i have coy wire and kristine brennan joining me on the phone. coy, to you first, this is a huge revelation from the gifford family now. >> it really is, brooke. this is a legend, a guy who not only was an all-star player on the field and nfl's most valuable player but one of the first sports stars to transition into sports casting, an idol to many, including me who played the game and tried to walk in his huge footsteps. i had conversations with a high ranking nfl official this morning, and he said the nfl was very upset with an incident that
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recently happened with the rams quarterback case keenum. the rams mishandling of that situation when that quarterback got his head smashed into the turf, then seemingly struggled just to get to his feet and he was not removed from the rams game on sunday. not even for a play. we know they had conference calls with all 32 teams last night and with all the head trainers to reiterate the details of their concussion protocols. we look at the life of someone like frank gifford and we're yet again reminded in this situation of the many who have played this game and have played the game maybe too long through injury when they should not have, and it reminds us that we have to change the culture when it comes to concussions. a sad story to hear but one, as his family stated, could maybe be an inspiration and continue the ongoing conversation that needs to be had when it comes to this chronic traumatic
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encephalopathy affecting anyone involved with football at any level. >> i'm glad you brought up the rams qb. we know the trainers didn't yank him, he took a huge hit. the nfl is has officially called that a failure. let me focus, christine, again on frank gifford. your reaction to this news. >> brooke, it's very sad news. i agree with everything coy said. let's look at what this is set against. it's set against the backdrop where in the next few movies "the concussion" movie is come ug out. it's creating oscar buzz. people will go and see that movie. you've got that. you've got something crossing over from sports into culture. and i think frank gifford also is the definition of that. as coy mentioned, a superstar, went into sports casting. but hollywood, you know, frank gifford is perhaps the biggest name for everyone, from topeka to toledo to spokane of someone now who has had cte.
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you know, you've got tony dorsett, names that have come out, jim mcmahon with concussion-like symptoms, of course junior seau who killed himself. but frank gifford takes this to another level. and once we've seen with other issues, for example, rock hudson and hiv, once you put a very famous face on something horrible, it does take to have an impact unlike anything else. and i think once again we're -- >> but christine -- >> -- taking us to a national conversation. >> yes to an impact. but think about it. here we are on the eve of thanksgiving day. i don't know about you, but i have a lot of friends who plan on eating turkey and watching football. when you think of all the eyeballs on the screen for any kind of nfl game, it is huge, and people i think for the most part aren't going to be thinking about frank gifford and about cte. >> right. i don't disagree with you on that. it is our entertainment. but i think this happens over
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time. this is a very big deal today, the fact we're talking about it today is important. but, no, does it change how much we want to see hard hits in footba football? no. but i do think it's having an impact on the national conversation and i think this kind of story will continue to have that impact. >> we'll continue the conversation. christine and coy, thanks to both of you for calling in. i appreciate that. coming up next, let's get to our breaking news involving that russian jet shot down. turkey now releasing audio of an alleged warning to the pilots before the jet blew up. but we're hearing from the surviving pilot who tells a very different story. ♪ nothing artificial. just real roasted turkey.
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more breaking news here. turkey's military released an audio recording that it claims captured its air control warnings to a russian war plane
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before turkey shot down the plane near its border with syria. this audio recording is coming in just after the rescued co-pilot who said, quote, there were no warnings from turkey before the war plane was shot down. here is the audio we now have from turkey's military. >> russia says turkey's downing of its war plane tuesday plan appears to be a planned prove n provocation. joining me first is correspondent ian lee who is live in istanbul and also senior international correspondent matthew chance live in moscow. ian, to you first there in turkey, why didn't the turkish
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military release this audio recording sooner, hours after the russian plane was shot down? >> reporter: well, we really don't know the exact answer to that, but it could be that they didn't feel like it was necessary at the time. they have been releasing little pieces of the puzzle backing their claim that this russian jet did in fact violate their air space. they released the map that they said shows it crossing into its airspace for about two miles and then you see it crossing there for less than 30 seconds. so today we are getting this new audio, but you can -- when you listen to it, it is a bit garbled so there could be some confusion on the russian pilot's side. but this audio they're saying is proof that they did try to warn this jet up to ten times not to enter their airspace.
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>> meantime, matthew, on russian state tv we're hearing from this pilot who is absolutely saying not only, a, was he in enemy but he said there was no warning. >> reporter: yeah. his words, unlike this recording, were very clear to hear. he said very concisely that, look, there's no way that we crossed into turkish air space. he was the navigator on the plane that was shot down. he said he had the radar in front of him. he could see the line where the turkish border is indicated. he didn't cross it, he said. he also said there were no communications despite this recording we've heard from the turks, traffic control in southern tarky. he said the first they knew about being intercepted was when the tail of their aircraft was blown off by a rocket fired from an f-16, a missile fired from an f-16, and they started plunging to earth in that fireball.
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we've seen the pictures of those dramatic images of that taking place. so a very compelling testimony from the russian navigator who survived the shoot-down, unlike his pilot who didn't make it to the ground alive. >> nato is investigating. we'll follow it. matthew and ian, thank you. coming up, we have to take you to chicago because a police officer there now facing first degree murder charges in the shooting death of a teenager. his attorneys are pushing back. they're telling their side of the story as questions remain about why it took more than a year for police to release the dash cam video and to charge this man. stay here. you totalled your brand new car.
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servin. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. we have to talk about chicago. 16 shots in 15 seconds. that is what a police officer fired at lequan mcdonald during the teenager's final moments alive, and that is what is seen in dash cam video police have just released. a warning obviously it's tough to look at. because it happened so quickly, we've slowed down just a portion of it. keep in mind this happened in october of last year, october 20th. police were out responding to a call of this young man mcdonald wielding a three-inch knife. here is a piece of the video, but there's no audio on it.
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>> as suspected, protesters came out when the video did. people had concerns that this footage could rip chicago apart. let me begin with rosa flores, live in chicago. and the question here as far as the city, how have protesters reacted now that the video is out there? >> you know, protesters are saying they're disturbed by theseimages. this video shows a 17-year-old being shot and killed by a police officer. so they're upset. they've taken to the streets. they've demonstrated. they've made demands about transparency not only about this case but others in this city. and then you've got the defense attorney for this police officer saying that he responded in self-defense, that the officer responded in self-defense, and that all he wants is a fair trial. he says this video does not tell the full story. >> at the time in which he had fired his weapon, he had already
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been made aware of the fact that this individual had been walking through the neighborhood and waving a knife. it caused a disturbance at a couple of businesses, this stabbed the windshield of a squad car where police officers were involved, had popped the tire of a squad car where police officers were sitting in the squad car. >> reporter: now, the timing of the release of the video, there's been a lot of questions about why. why wait a year to release the video? according to authorities here, they say there's a simultaneous investigation, both state and federal authorities investigating, but there was a court order by a civil judge asking for the release of this video after a journalist asked for it to be released. so prosecutors told us yesterday, brooke, she said that she was going to wait until the
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end of the investigation when both state and federal authorities were ready to present their charges. and they said, you know, because of the release of this video, we feel compelled to come forward and announce the first degree murder charges. brooke? >> rosa, thank you. i want to stay in chicago because this now ex-chicago officer here, jason van dyke, have faced complaints, 20 allegations against him for offenses like excessive force and verbal abuse, according to the police accountability clinic at the university of chicago law school. the clinic found chicago pd never found van dyke at fault, and his case, by the way, is far from the only one like it in chicago. reportedly, chicago police have shot and killed 70 people since 2010, 46 african-american. and since 2004, the department has shelled out $500 billi,000 n
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in legal claims. professor paul butler who used to serve as federal prosecutor, paul, nice to see you again. let's just begin with, we know lequan mcdonald was killed. this was october 20th of last year. 13 months later, this police officer is charged. the prosecutor said officer-involved shootings are complicated. she wanted to make sure she got it right as far as why wait so long. as a lawyer, does that sound reasonable to you? >> you know, if the evidence is compelling enough to sustain first degree murder charges, you have to wonder why it took a year to bring the case and why until yesterday officer van dyke was a sworn officer on the chicago police department. you know, the graphic number of shots this cop fired, every single bullet in his gun, 16 times. it's disturbing. legally, that's not that significant. what's more troubling is that
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none of the other six cops on the scene fired a single shot, and officer van dyke responded 30 seconds later those shots were fired. so you do have to wonder what was going on with him. did he reasonably perceive a threat? because that's the standard. >> i'm glad you brought that up because that's something i've heard other people saying. listen, no other officers were firing, just this one officer. i want you to hear, paul, the attorney for this police officer explaining how it's possible the shooting was justified when he shot mcdonald 16 times, 15 of those shots after the teen hit the pavement. >> i'm going to explain it exactly the way science has explained it and various studies have explained it. a police officer with average skills with a firearm can fire four to five shots in one sec d
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second. >> in your experience, do juries understand how an officer who doesn't often fire in the line of duty can shoot so many times in such a small period of time? >> you know, brooke, they usually do. that's why in the last ten years there have been fewer than 50 prosecutors of any police officer for shooting in the line of duty, and most of those prosecutions have not resulted in convictions. jurors are especially sympathetic to police officers. they think, even if they made a mistake, they were just doing their job. so it's really hard to get convictions in these cases. you know, one thing that might be going on with this extreme charge of first degree murder is the prosecutor might be hoping that officer van dyke will plead guilty to a lower charge like manslaughter or reckless endangerment. >> we will see. paul butler, thank you. >> always a pleasure. coming up, how did they hit the wrong target?
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an investigation reveals what went wrong when a u.s. air strike mistakenly hit an afghan hospital last month, killing 30 people. new details when we come back. you're watching cnn.
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u.s. air strikes that accidentally killed 30 people at a doctors without borders in afghanistan last month is being blamed on human error. military personnel inadvertently aimed at the wrong target. they were trying to hit a suspected taliban site. cnn international diplomatic editor nic robertson joins me live from washington. nic, the thing is, not only did they hit the wrong target, but apparently some of their communication systems. they weren't working properly. >> yeah. this is what we're learning now. human error compounded by systems errors, problems, that was the communications equipment so there was a breakdown in communications with the headquarters from the aircraft carrying out the strikes. the headquarters understood that the u.s. special forces that were on the ground in the town that night, they were aiding and advising afghan special forces
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on the ground, that u.s. forces wanted to direct an imminent threat. that was one of the problems, proceedual problems, because this location was incorrectly identified. aboard the aircraft it was being identified by physical appearance and description rather than the grid coordinates. doctors without borders are saying that this opens up more questions than it does actually answer issues here. they say that this is a catalog of errors, a violation of the wars laws of war, is what they're saying. they are questioning that this investigation is essentially gotten to the bottom of it here. they say they're astounded that the air force could have been operating in this way without the correct communications equipment, operating essentially they say without eyes on the ground. so doctors without borders, this
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really continues to be an issue for them. this is not going to lay it to rest for them. but they are getting answers here, of course, it all occurred in the heat of an intensive battle by afghan forces supported, advised by u.s. special forces on the ground. we take this very important strategic town from the taliban who had overrun the first town district center they had taken control of. in the past 13 or 14 years. >> we know, as you were reporting, when this first happened doctors without borders wanted an independent, impartial investigation. you touched on a lot of the themes. but they have released a statement, they being doctors without borders, in part it reads, it is shocking than an attack can be carried out when u.s. forces neither has eyes on a target nor access to a strike list and have malfunctions communications systems. it appears 30 were killed and hundreds of thousands are --
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simply because the hospital was the closest large building to an open field and roughly matched a description of an intended target. do you actually think this impartial investigation, they're calling for, will happen, nic? >> no, it won't because it hasn't happened so far. the investigation by the u.s. military seems to have answered a lot of questions for a lot of people over this. it's a very damning indictment of the way the military was operating that night. it really is a catalog of problems that clearly will have to be and are being addressed. but, no, doctors without borders seem very unlikely to get this investigation international ind pentd that they are requesting. >> nic, thank you. just ahead, more on our breaking news. we're getting word the fugitive driver in the paris attacks made an alarming trip months before the massacre here in the city of lights. also ahead, as americans hit
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the roads and airports right now ahead of thanksgiving, new fears about extremists infiltrating airports and transit systems. we're back after this. carved thick. that's the right way to make a good turkey sandwich. the right way to eat it? is however you eat it. panera. food as it should be.
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a father lost his wife and children and now finds himself all alone in this world. other victims in the massacres here in paris despondent, counselling services are
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inundated with hundreds of calls each and every day, i spoke with the head of the main government sponsored organization for victims. the group has doubled its psychologists on hands since the november 13th attacks. psychologist who is are still treating victims by the way of the "charlie hebdo" attack back in january. [ speaking in a foreign language ] >> could you give us specific stories without betraying the confidentiality of patients about what kinds of calls you've been getting since the attacks two friday nights ago? [ speaking in a foreign language ]
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[ speaking in a foreign language ] >> everyone somehow was touched by what happened, the attacks. and i'm wondering how do you make people feel better? [ speaking in a foreign language ]
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>> so many people were killed, so many were hurt. and i'm just wondering how your office can handle all these phone calls that you've been getting over the last week and a half? how overwhelmed are you? [ speaking in a foreign language ] >> what about those, the "charlie hebdo" victims, survivors, family members who now had this happen essentially in their backyard in the same district in paris, is this re-injuring still a pretty fresh wound for them? [ speaking in a foreign language ]
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>> do you have people who are just numb who come in here? [ speaking in a foreign language ] [ speaking in a foreign language ] >> this tone in paris, is this the new normal?
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[ speaking in a foreign language ] >> and of course our thanks to that victim for having us and thank you, paris, as well. i'm brooke baldwin. john berman and "the lead" start now. thanks, brooke. a jet shot down. now will finger pointing turn to missile pointing? i'm john berman and this is "the lead." turkey released what it calls proof, a warni ining before a downing of a russian jet. vladimir putin out with his own warning saying there will be consequences. new information about the men who terrorized paris and took 130 lives. what they did before