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hell loeshgs i'm poppy harlow. happy thanksgiving to all of you. we begin with breaking news. moments from now we may learn if russia will join coalition forces in the war against isis. russian president vladimir putin and francois hollande meeting right now. they're about to hold a joint news conference. hollande pushing putin to focus his attacks on isis in syria and also to compromise in a politic solution, frankly, to the syrian crisis that's been raging for years now. turkey's midair attack complicates efforts. the co-pilot said there were, quote, no warnings before his plane was shot down, killing the co-pilot. turkey sayses they ignored ten
warnings. now turkey's president says the country will not apologize. >> i think if there's a party that needs to apologize, it's not us. those who violated our air space are the ones who need to apologize. our pilots did their duties which responded to the rules of engagement. i think this is the essence. >> let's go straight to matthew chance live for us in moscow. this is a critical meeting. it is sort of wrapping up this worldwide tour meeting with leaders hollande has had from cameron to merkel, obama, new putin. what do you expect to come from the meeting? >> i think that's a really good point. planned in the aftermath of the paris attacks and it came before the shootdown of that russian warplane by turkish f-16s on the
border. it's part of francois hollande's initiative to bring together a coalition to combat isis, the group, of course, responsible for the attacks in paris. to bring russia onside with the coalition, the western coalition, effectively, that is also carrying air strikes inside syria as well, to try to forge some kind of agreement, as to how to proceed for the future of syria. as you mentioned, it's been made significantly more complicated by the fact a russian plane has been blown out of the sky by one of those coalition countries, by turkey. the russians have already said this was a preplanned attack. they've accused essentially the united states of being involved to a certain extent, saying that the u.s. must have known or could have known that this attack was going to take place, this shootdown was going to take place. so, there was already no love lost between russia and the west, of course, over various instances and events that have taken place over the past couple of years. but this has made the situation
a whole lot worse. russia is currently engaged in a vitriolic war of words with turkey at the moment. doesn't look good for a grand coalition to resolve the conflict in syria. >> you've also got missiles moving now to the border. you've got all of these economic sort of weapons, if you will, being deployed. whether it's russia limiting agriculture imports from turkey. whether they're going to limit this gas pipeline that is so critical. i mean, what's the end game with all of that? >> reporter: i'm not sure. i'm not sure the end game has really been thought out at that point. certainly there's been a lot of calls over the past 24 hours for there to be restraint on both sides, but that doesn't appear to be happening in the sense there is this quite bitter war of words but also the economic
sanctions being formulated. russian prime minister mef did he have has called on his foreign ministers where they can be implemented. talking about the gas industry. turkey imports natural gas, 3.2 million russian tourists went to turk qul last year. so there are parts of the economy that will be hit by this crisis. >> absolutely. matthew chance for reporting for us. british prime minister, david cameron, putting united kingdom on alert, with a rue kneed british military action of isis in syria. this time in the heartland, focusing on raqqah. speaking in the parliament today, mr. cameron said the united kingdom simply cannot sit on the sidelines any longer.
>> we shouldn't be content with outsourcing our security to our allies. if we believe action can protect us, then with our allies we should be part of that action, not standing aside from it. and from this moral point comes a fundamental question, if we won't act now, when our friend and ally france has been struck in this way, then our allies in the world can be forgiven for asking, if not now, when? >> cnn's phil black live with me now from london. obviously, everyone there has been paying close attention to what cameron said today in parliament. >> you still have a british public, like the american public, that is in large part exhausted from wars in iraq and afghanistan. what's the public reaction to this plea, really, from cameron? >> that's absolutely true, poppy. david cameron technically doesn't need the approval of
parliament to do this but it's a convention that's existed here, this practice of going to parliament, going back to the iraq war. the other legacy of the iraq war is a deep, fundamental distress of politicians saying, britain needs to go to war. that's why david cameron has to fight to make this happen. to win the support. there is enormous skepticism about doing this and about the possible consequences of doing this as well. i think the prime minister senses a change in the air. he's been wanting to do this for some time. he knew he couldn't do it because he didn't have the support in parliament. that's been changing following iraq, following the downing of that russian airliner over the sinai in egypt as well. these sorts of things all prove what the british public do deeply understand. that is that isis poses a threat here in the uk, to their allies, to westerners around the world and so forth. in that sense, the argument
isn't too difficult to make that isis deserves to be struck but what's the biggest plan? that's the criticism of the iraq war. not just that they took part in the conflict but it wasn't thought out. particularly, the aftermath. what david cameron tried to do today is explain to the politicians, the british public, what he sees as the wider strategy in not just dealing with isis but syria as well. >> he has said the united kingdom cannot, quote, subcontract its security to other countries. thank you very much. phil black live for us in london. let's speak with stefan devries who's been with us throughout our coverage of the paris attacks. cameron says he will not call a parliamentary vote unless he'll have a clear majority of strikes in syria because he he says we will not hand a pr coup to isis. does that argument have merit,
do you think? >> i think he has a point. if mps vote in opposition of david cameron, then isis could use this by saying, look, even the british mps don't want to destroy us. i think he has a point. he already tried it two years ago. then the mps voted against strikes on syria. so he wants to be absolutely sure he has the support of parties in england. france, on the other hand, france doesn't need technical approval of the parliament, but last night the french parliament voted in favor to continue the air strikes in syria with an overwhelming majority, just a handful of mps voted against. and i think david cameron wants to be sure he can get the same support if he goes to war in syria. >> i think it's interesting as we heard matthew chance to talk about and there is an exhaustion of the british public to war in
iraq and the united states in large part. it's different in france following the attacks. >> reporter: yes, absolutely. france did not participate in the iraq war in 2003. it was after the first ally of the united states to participate in the mission in afghanistan in 19 -- sorry, in -- following the 9/11. it's also very active in mali and other parts of africa. these are discreet praise operations. so the french are less reluctant than their british neighbors to participate in a new war. there's also, of course, the feeling that france has been hit in its heart. the french want to end isis and then all means are justified. for the moment, francois hollande is having a huge support of the french population. it has to be seen if this support will last but for the moment he can go on with air
strikes in syria. >> he has this huge support ahead of the elections in december, where we've seen far right conservative gaining momentum also in the wake of the terror attacks. which way is the public leaning, especially on the terror front? >> tif the president is in charge, first, the french will like that. especially in an emergency situation like we're living right now. there are regional elections in ten days and the big leader is marie le pen. she was doing very well in the polls before the attacks and now the last days she just keeps on winning more votes. she'll probably be the largest
party. they say, we'll have to close the borders, get rid of immigrants. we're seeing the attacks on friday the 13th of november, it sounds cynical, but it's good news for right wing parties and this shows the french really want a different approach than francois hollande has been doing the last four years of his mandate. >> stefan devries live for us in paris, thank you. coming up, we have breaking news from belgium. a major mosque, the oldest mosque in brussels evacuated after a suspicious powder was found in envelopes, the white powder. what was it? we got the results of the tests. also, airports on alert around the grobe, from airports to mall,s how the united states is now protecting itself this holiday. new protests erupting in chicago over the police shooting of an african-american teenager, including this, look at this, face-to-face confrontation
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there's more anxiety in the streets of brulss as the city enters another day on the highest terror alert level. there's heavy police presence. earlier today the grand mosque there, the oldest mosque and the largest in brussels, was evacuated after several envelopes containing white powder were found inside. let's go to alexander field outside the mosque in brussels. do we know yet what was inside of them? >> reporter: we do. they feared it was anthrax but they later found out it was just powder after testing, which followed a robust response at the grand mosque. we saw fire officials, police, and another law enforcement that deals with explosives.
all thronging the mosque after 17 people had been exposed to this white powdery substance. they were removed from the mosque and given medical treatment. they were decontaminated while we waited for test results. we find out it was, in fact, flour. it was found after it turned up here in a package that appeared to be suspicious to whoever they found it. they opened it up and that's when they found ten envelopes with the white powdery substance. they sparked serious concern. emergency officials relieved this was not a threatening material. >> absolutely. especially given the highest terror alert going on in brussels. right now, about 3 million people enjoying the annual macy's thanksgiving day parade. with isis releasing a new video
taunting the west, threatening the west, president obama reassuring americans that there are no credible threats. again, the united states at this moment and law enforcement and ready and waiting for anything. lease talk more with cnn aviation correspondent, renee marsh. a source telling cnn today that more than 100 public transit workers in paris have left for syria since 2012. that is stunning. >> it is. and right here in the united states, poppy, there is this concern about that so-called trusted population. we're talking about individuals who have unfettered access to parts of the airport. they said their greatest concern is the insider threat. as it stands right now, all airport workers do not get
screened when they show up every day for work. that's an obvious loophole. jeh johnson called for moran dom testing of these workers in airplane. that came after an airline worker was running a gun-smuggling operation, transferring hundreds of guns on commercial planes. as you know, pop y the terrorists only have to get it right once so even with these random checks, the fear is a gubman could go undetected. >> when you look at the homeland security report from june, it's concerning about airports here in the united states because they found that 73 airport workers, airline workers in the united states, you know, at the time they checked, had ties -- terrorist ties. when you talk about travelers, i'm flying later today, what would you say to them? >> 73 seementz like a big
number. we don't know the extent to which they were on a terror list, a no-fly list, which presumably they weren't or they had been on a bad website. regardless, that is a bad number. that's why you'll see the department of homeland security focus on the trusted pool of people who have access to the airports. it's not just airports. there's hundreds of contracting companies this are supporting airline and airport maintenance, food, luggage. and picking up on ray anyway's point about foreign airports, i think what you'll see in the next couple weeks in this discussion about the visa waiver program, about travelers who are able to come here with this special visa from over 30 countries. you're going to see the united states begin to put carrots and sticks on that visa waiver program, i believe, and say, listen, have you to got to get your airports secure.
have you to do this random screening of trusted employees. and use programs that are cooperative as a way to get other countries to get very serious about airline travel. >> renee, has anything fundamentally changed in the way our security is run? in the last year or so since this report came out or how tsa and checked and resourced? >> i want to say the head of tsa later on testified on the hill that essentially that i.g. report you're referencing, after they dug deeper, they found there were -- these were not terrorists that made it onto the rolls. what has changed, i think the understanding has come out that tsa needs more access to all of these watch lists. that is something that's come out of this. the random checks, that's relatively new because we were talking about a population that
were coming and going and had not been checked on a daily basis. it's not happening for everyone but now there's this unpredictability and it could happen. there's a lot of questioning about the prettying process of these. once they're hired, what happens five years down the line? people to want see a more recurring background check to make sure someone hasn't become radicalized during their time at the airport. we're seeing subtle changes. i've been talking to a lot of people on capitol hill who say they're not at ease. they still feel there are several loopholes as it relates to this trusted population, poppy. >> thank you for the reporting. appreciate it. coming up next, protesters tearing down a christmas tree coming face-to-face in confrontations with police over the shooting of an after can american teenager in chicago. now new video of what happened.
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this thanksgiving, tensions ate boiling point in chicago. protesters have taken to the streets for two nights now following the release of this video showing a white police officer fatally shooting a black 17-year-old. more protests are planned. this is video showing quite a confrontation between a 16-year-old protester and an officer last night in chicago. the fatal shooting that sparked all of this happened last october as the 1-year-old walked down the middle of a chicago street with a knife. many people ask the question, what took authorities so long to
release the video and charging the officer with first-degree murder? >> the final moments of a chicago teen's life, down to 16 shots, fired by police officer jason van dyke. 16 shots in 15 seconds according to court records. it unfolds on the night of october 20th of last year. it was all caught on the dash cam video released by chicago police. at 9:57: 25, laquan mcdonald is walking in the middle of the street after allegedly slashing the tire of a car. he's holding a knife in his right hand. soon, eight police officers roll on scene. >> five seconds later, officer van dyke and his partner parked their vehicle and immediately draw their weapons. >> reporter: as we pause the video, you can clearly see the two officers on the left side of the screen with guns drawn. according to the police union
spokesperson at the time of the shooting, mcdonald lunged at the officers. >> going after one of the officers. at that point the officer defends himself. >> reporter: but the cook county state's attorney says the video captures quite the opposite. >> this officer went overboard. he abused his authority and i don't believe the force was necessary. >> reporter: at 9:57: 33, mcdonald is seen moving slightly away from the officers. but three seconds later -- >> and officer van dyke has taken at least one step toward mcdonald with his weapon drawn. >> reporter: as we pause again, you can see mcdonald is about ten feet from the officers, still walking away when van dyke starts unloading his 9 millimeter pistol. mcdonald's arm jerks, spins and falls to the ground. the camera angle changes, taking the police officer out of frame. two seconds after the first
shot, at 9:57:38, two puffs of smoke arnold mcdonald's body. >> these were said to be debris caused by the fired bullets. >> reporter: only 21 seconds after van dyke arrived on scene and 15 seconds after the first shot was fired. >> van dyke's partner reported there was a brief pause in the shots when he looked at van dyke and saw that he was preparing to reload his weapon. >> reporter: the officer's attorney says he was acting in self-defense. >> president obama says he is, quote, deeply disturbed by that video. he posted on his facebook page today that he is asking everybody to keep those who suffer tragic loss in our thoughts and prayers to be thankful for the overwhelming majority of men and women in uniform to protect our communities with honor. he says he is personally grateful to the people of his
hometown of chicago for keeping those protests peaceful. let's go to joey jackson, senior law enforcement officer, jonathan gilliam. jonathan, you said on cnn yesterday that you believed the officer was justified in taking these shots and killing this person. you took a lot of heat for that on social media. can you walk us through why you think it's justified? >> now we've seen the other video from officer van dyke's vehicle, we now know he was involved in actual pursuit of this individual for at least 30 seconds prior to getting out of the car. so now we have, and we see in this video where he's chasing him. he's running through a burger king lot with a knife. after having a 911 call that an individual was slashing tires, breaking into cars and threatening people with a knife. so now when you look at the totality of the circumstances, as they arrive and get out, it's not like officer van dyke just
arrived and got out for six seconds, he's been chasing this individual with a knife. >> for 30 seconds. >> with a knife, after the 91 1. i'm not saying that the amount of shots after he was down are justified but the initial shoot when he rolled up and got out, and this individual was still moving, went from a jog to a walk and provocatively moved the naive out, what you're seeing issen escalation of the situation by the individual. so when the officer got out -- for some strange reason we have no sound in any of these videos, that would tell a huge part of this, if they're giving commands to drop the knife. >> it's one thing to shoot someone in the leg and take them down, it's another to shoot 16 times in 15 legs. >> they don't shoot for the leg. they shoot center mass. one, you're taught to terminate the threat. the second thing is if you shoot for the leg, you can hit somebody else, fearful of ricochet. let's talk about what jonathan just said.
there is no way from a reasonable evaluation of that video that any shot was appropriate, necessary or justified in any stretch of the imagination. >> because he wasn't coming at the officer? >> he's not lunging at the officer. he's not approaching the officer. we have to deal with this in terms of what the law says. it's very clear and it says, if you are in immediate fear for your life or the lives of brother sister officers or the public, you may shoot. we can't talk about this in terms of what he would have done or could have done or should have done as far as mcdonald with the knife. we have to look at it in terms of what he did do. what he did do was walk away from the officer. under what circumstances would that be justifiable? furthermore, he's on the floor and you're shooting again and again and again. >> now he's charged with first-degree murder. jonathan, what do you say, he wasn't coming at the officer and no other officer on scene fired once. >> right. there's only one other officer out of his car and that's the
officer behind him. the law stipulates if there's imminent danger of loss of life or serious bodily injury, and as this individual approached, he was not walking away. he slowed his gait down, which if you back up the video, you'll see that. he slows his gait down. he waves the knife -- >> let me -- >> let me answer this. >> would you have fired? >> would i have fired the initial shot? probably. >> if the officer is in such fear for his life, immediacy of the threat, why does the video show the officer, a, get out of his job? >> that's his job. >> he's chasing after him. also, there's cover. if you're in such fear, you get out of your car and approach the person you're fearful of and take more steps toward them, more steps and fire your weapon? >> when you go into koshgts you don't below the desk and litigate. you stand up and face the judge. >> this is not a courtroom where you can actually address things with deroar rum. >> there's a threat immediately in front of this individual.
the officer stepped out -- >> i have to wrap it up. he got a first degree murder charge. do you think he should? should this officer justified to have a first-degree murder charge? >> i don't think it will stick. >> you don't? >> it will stick without question. first-degree murder is the intentional killing without justification. i don't see under any circumstance where this was justified. as wonderful of an officer as you were, i fooel fear you're on ab island alone. >> i am. >> important discussion to keep having. want you to know that at any moment vladimir putin is expected to respond live, to speak live, about that critical meeting he just had with francois hollande, the french president. also to turkey saying, we're not going to apologize. what will russia's leaders say? stay with us for that. also, they were on the stage when the paris ambush began. for the very first time, members of the band eagles of death describing the horror at the
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break news into us here at cnn. the terror threat level in belgium has been lowered to a level three. that's significant because for the past five days it has been at a level four following the attacks in paris that were partly coordinated in brussels, belgium. again, belgium having a meeting of the group set up to assess terror threats. intelligence says they have lowered the security threat. still high, level three not level four. meantime in the united states, president obama's message for americans this
thanksgiving is that the government is taking every possible step to keep americans safe. but with isis claiming responsibility for six attacks from around the world to leb nan, paris, tunisia in less than a month, americans, needless to say, on edge. the president says his team has found no credible threats against american this holiday. let's go to a former obama campaign adviser, extensive knowledge of the region and the threat. when you listen to the tone and rhetoric of what the president says from a week ago in turkey at the g-20 to malaysia to what he said after he met with hollande, it has changed significantly, david. >> yes. his comments after the paris attacks were weak and uninspiring and widely criticized. he's become much more emphatic and direct about the fact we need to -- and he's become much more emotional, and his comments
with the french president were strong comments about what we need to do. the u.s. and france don't often agree on foreign affairs issues but here they're in full agreement. when they agree, they can accomplish a lot. >> david, you know the president. i mean, you've advised him on foreign policy. after so much death and destruction from isis, why were his comments, arguably you said it years, weak in turkey? >> well, i think it caught the president a little bit by surprise. i'm not sure why because, you know, we all know isis has for a very long time expected and intended to attack isis. i think the president has worked to strike the right tone, calming people, making sure people aren't too upset and giving confidence he's going to do something. his comments are much stronger. still the question is, what is the plan. we don't have details on that. certainly, we'll get more air strikes, that's obvious but
there needs to be more than just air strikes to make process against isis. you need to arm and support the forces on the ground and we have to have a legitimate group that sunni arabs in iraq can turn to. how are we going to support that? hopefully with the stronger comments by president obama behind the scenes there's a renewed effort to come up with a much stronger plan and that he's working that plan through the process so he can implement it in iraq and syria. >> i found this fascinating. this is a depiction of who is doing what in terms of air strikes in syria. the united states, look at all the planes, taking the lead, 150 plus air strikes in syria. you've got france, russia, australia, canada. who you don't see on that list is the united kingdom. david cameron wants to change that. in parliament today, making a plea, a call saying we need to do more. his words, we cannot let the united kingdom subcontract its security to other countries. should the uk get involved? will they?
>> absolutely they should get involved. the uk is our strongest partner. they've been with us in every wear since world war i. when the u.s. and uk work together, they can accomplish a lot. they work together more than any other countries in the world. we need the uk in this. the uk is obviously a bit war-weary. they haven't been attacked like france. there's certainly a target. we need them there. the military is very capable and we get more moral support from around the world when the u.s. and uk are together, and france as well. >> an interesting point. >> david, thank you very much. appreciate you being with me this thanksgiving. >> thank you. in the aftermath of those horrific attacks in paris, an outpouring of support has been seen across the globe. if you want to help, go to cnn.com/impact. many, many ways you can help the victims right there. "the new york times" demanding donald trump apologize after he mocked one of their
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thousands of muslims in new jersey cheering on 9/11. listen to the way he describes that "new york times" reporter. >> right after a couple of good paragraphs, talking about northern new jersey draws, written by a nice reporter. now you got to see this guy. i don't remember what i said. i don't remember. maybe that's what i said. this is 14 years ago. they didn't do a retraction. >> that reporter has a rare condition that limits the movement of his arms. "the times" calls trump's behavior outrageous. let's talk more with our guest, a trump supporter. also with us, cnn politics reporter m.j. lee. look at what trump tweeted last night. he tweeted the failing "new york times" should be focused on good reporting and the financial
survivor and not with constant hits on trump. is this presidential behavior? >> first of all, it's all about perception. i think that's something that mr. trump can say or not say. i think all of us can agree that he is not necessarily running for the congeniality prize of the 2016 campaigns. what "the new york times" is trying to distract from the fact they have a written who back in 201 1 or -- >> scotty, how is it a distraction when a presidential front-runner is mocking someone who has a disability? >> but that's a perception. he was just sitting there -- honestly, prior to -- >> how did you see it? >> well, when i saw it, i just thought he was doing a normal donald trumpism. it wasn't until i found out writer did have this disability that i went, okay, i can see the link, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's what it is. in 2001, while there was still
smoke coming from the buildings, this writer wrote the words in "the washington post." there was never a retraction for it. you want to talk about the same people that are saying mr. trump's islam phobia? if these are all lies, "the washington post" is doing nothing but encouraging islam phobia in the wake of the disaster of 2011 or 2001 and the terror attacks. >> so a number of publications have come out and debunked them, saying that is not the case, there was no reporting on that. i want you to take a listen to what presidential candidate john kasich said in this new ad that has just come out targeting trump. >> i would like anyone who is listening to consider some thoughts that i paraphrased from the words of german pastor martin nemolar. you might not care if donald trump says muslims must register with the government because you're not one.
you may not care if donald trump says he's going to round up all the hispanic immigrants because you're not one. you might not care if donald trump says it's okay to rough up black protesters because you're not one. and you might not care if donald trump wants to suppress journalists because you're not one. think about this, if he keeps going, and he actually becomes present, he might just get aaron to you and you better hope that there's someone left to help you. >> all right, now, to be fair here that comes, as you know, ladies, from one of his competitors, john kasich. i want you to look at the polling. kwin p quinnipiac poll, new hampshire poll. the polling does not reflect any of that concern. >> i think the important thing to point out too here, we're talking about trump's behavior and the way he spoke about a reporter. it seemed clear to me he was, in
fact, mocking his physical condition. this is a pattern of behavior that has been established with trump so far. this has not been the first time he's gone after an individual for physical characteristics. i was at a trump rally. when a protester was being escorted out, he said to his crowd, oh, look, this person is overweight. we know that he has mocked carly fiorina and her physical appearance as well. so this is a pattern of behavior that has been established. i think that trump himself and his supporters can make excuses or try to push back and say that wasn't his intention but i think we do have to look at his past behavior. his republican competitors. his rivals. are clearly starting to come out more strongly and saying, look, his behavior and rhetoric is increasingly unacceptable. >> before i let you go, we've seen senator ted cruz, the closest competitor to trump in the early voting state of iowa.
are you also a supporter? >> any of the candidates out there that is supporting the conservative principles. i think this specks volumes of what is going on, we're seeing in iowa. at the same time, i don't like basing this entire campaign on iowa. you've got john kasich about to spend $2.5 million trashing trump rather than sitting there and telling the people why they need to vote for him. >> scotty, what happens when we see cruz, if we see cruz go after trump? >> i don't think you're going to see cruz go after trump because it's the same base you're dealing with. i think what you're going to see are these establishment people. they're getting more and more desperate. hence why kasich's acting the way he is. why you're seeing the attack on "the new york times" falsely on trump rather than going after "the washington post" who they should be more accurately going after, and i think that's what you're going to see. i don't think ted cruz is going to go after trump on this issue. why are we sitting here having to go after each other? why don't we let the american people decide after the
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