tv Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield CNN November 26, 2015 9:00am-10:01am PST
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3.5 million spectators all gathering along that parade route peering up at the big balloons. tack a look what was peering back down at those people. police sharpshooters on rooftops. i actually took these pictures myself earlier before getting on the set. there were sharpshooters on buildings all along this parade route. there were also helicopters circling that entire parade route. there were bomb sniffing dogs. officers who were on horseback, keeping tabs on that crowd. police also relying on mobile cameras and radiation detectors hoping to seek out any possible dirty bombs. all of this part of the amped up security across the united states following the terror attacks in paris. our team has been on the ground, in the air, across the country, covering it all. cnn's miguel marquez got the assignment on the parade route.
he's watching the police presence in new york. meanwhile, marie marsh is monitoring developments from overseas as well. also with us, cnn law enforcement analyst jonathan gilliam. it looks nice and empty behind you now. but there were thousands upon thousands lining those streets behind you. what were some of the things we did not see that the police were active doing? >> well, they aren't talking about a lot. but certainly we had a giant presence here, both seen and unseen. the uniformed officers here along the parade route was big, it always is. they also had a lot of officers in civilian clothes. those undercover officers not only in the parade but blocks away from it, basically protecting the perimeter of the parade itself. 3 1/2 million people as you said along the parade route and in areas away from it, you had bomb
sniffer dogs looking for anything that might be suspicious. even those radiation detectors they had at the ready in case of any sort of dirty bomb. but for 3 1/2 million people to line the routes here and have this parade go through and, i mean, forget isis, forget everything else, there weren't any big issues. there weren't even any small issues. no arrests. there were concerns about black lives matter, trying to break into the parade. black lives matter protesters went to macy's last night late and were able to disrupt operations there at macy's. there may have been concern of that here. none of that happened today. a spectacular day here in new york. and, you know, the police did their job. at some points during the parade, the biggest applause came from the police as they were just walking down the parade route protecting it. ashleigh. >> that's quite a headline, considering we're also covering a story in chicago involving police and allegations of, now,
murder with regard to how the police handle a situation there. there's been marching in the street. so that's quite a story in you're telling me there was a cheering presence there from the crowd. miguel, just one more thing the police have actually tried to engage average citizens with in this vigilance against terror. it's as simple as an app. an app on your phone. you know, fight fire with fire. if they're going to use social media against us, we can use social media against them. explain what they're telling crowds. >> yeah, a lot of states, several will have this now, now new york has launched its. the governor of new york launching his if you see something say something app basically. when you have mass numbers of people reporting things to police agencies, it's very difficult to piece through that and respond in kind to that particular location. so now individuals can take a picture, make a note, send it in to the state police intelligence center. they can then assess the relevance of it and what agency it needs to go to if it needs to
go anywhere else, ashleigh. >> we're just seeing some of the evidence of that imagery beside you as you were reporting. it's a just what looks like chemicals and explosives in a truck. for days on end, people walking right by without mentioning anything. i want to go to renee marsh who's standing by live in washington, d.c. i want to turn the tables a little bit. leading up to today -- i'm so glad we're having this conversation instead of breaking news about what might have happened at the parade. still, the vigilance has to be as strong as ever. more than 100 public transit workers from the bus service had actually left for syria since 2012. transit workers. people who are handed the care of average citizens every day. >> that's right. you know, with that as the full picture, we saw just yesterday the president coming out to
reassure americans. we also saw homeland security secretary jay johnson actually hop on an amtrak train from d.c. to new jersey. both of them clearly trying to send the message to americans that it's okay to take mass transit and get on with your lives. but despite that message what travelers are seeing is law enforcement out at full force at trains, bus stations, airports. we're seeing heavy weaponry. bomb sniff dogs. we know the tsa has been conducting these random checks for explosives at airports. we also know on the law enforcement side the fbi says it is paying very close attention to dozens of people who they think pose the highest threat of attempting to carry out some sort of copycat attack in the united states. so although we're hearing this message of, you know, live your life and, clearly, from the more than 3 million people who showed up, they followed those instructions. we are still seeing a reaction, which is an increased police presence. a lot of work being done behind
the scenes. to make sure that threat does not impact those here in the homeland. >> rene, stand by, if you will. i want to add jonathan gilliam to the conversation. jonathan, look, i think we all sort of were on edge as these crowds amassed. that kind of a presence, it doesn't shock anybody anymore as they bring their children to the thanksgiving day parade route. >> right. >> i am thrilled nothing happened, but at the same time, you get all the bravado from isis, you get videos showing a suicide bomber closing his bomb up with a nice puffy jacket. it didn't happen. will guard be let down across america, looked at with more bravado, is that even more dangerous? false bravado, i should say. >> we have to be careful because right now, this parade route was actually somewhat of a hardened target. they secured it. they had areas -- you couldn't have a backpack in a lot of these areas. where the crowds were big, the
police presence was huge. but now what you see is these same groups of people have gone to places where it's not hardened. a cafe. maybe another celebration. you may have 1,000 people in the same area right now as we speak. times square as we speak right now is the biggest soft target in the united states. right this second. >> we got the christmas tree lighting coming up, rockefeller center. we've got new year's eve in times square. those are extraordinarily nervous times i think for new yorkers, for people who are traveling to new york. and i would imagine homeland security and nypd. >> yes. right now, there's a joint special operations command that is -- excuse me, a joint operations command that is set up here in this city that includes everyone that would be involved with this. whether it be from the fbi. even the secret service has members on there. the nypd port authority. so they're ready to respond. the problem, though, and god bless those individuals, they give up every holiday normally
to stand up that job here in new york city. i don't care what technology you've put out there, i've said this a thousand times, these two eyes are what is going to spot the abnormal behavior in people doing something. we literally have millions of eyes in the city right now who can be deterrents or can effectively look around and say, that is not normal. and that is how we're going to stop this. >> all right, jonathan gilliam, thank you. miguel marquez, thank you. and rene marsh for her reporting in washington, d.c. happy thanksgiving to all of you. i have this in from belgium as well. a really frightening place to be. just today, just actually within the hour, belgium dropped its terror level one level down. this is after a week of fears that possible paris-style attacks might be imminent in the capital city of brussels. that news comes on the heels a
decision yesterday to finally reopen those schools and much of the metro system there. although both of those systems remain under heavy guard. but that de facto lockdown is lifting in brussels. coming up next, the terror attacks in paris. the downing of a russian passenger plane. then the downing of a warplane. so much at stake for the presidents of france and russia right now at their face-to-face meeting this hour. can they find common ground in the fight against isis? ♪ nothing artificial. just real roasted turkey. carved thick. that's the right way to make a good turkey sandwich. the right way to eat it? is however you eat it. panera. food as it should be.
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against isis. if they're sticking to their schedule, hollande and russian president vladimir putin are now working in a working dinner after closed door consultations and before a joint news conference that is scheduled to start some time later this hour. which we are monitoring very closely. cnn's matthew chance is hard at work, he's in the russian capital, he joins me now live. in the easiest of terms, in a complicated story, with a complicated meeting, what does president hollande want to get out of vladimir putin today? >> well, president hollande has been touring the world, coming to washington, visiting angela merkel, visiting the british prime minister as well, though that was in paris, trying to build an international coalition to come bat isis. i mean, france has obviously been affected terribly by the attacks in paris. the russians have also had some
blows dealt to them as well with the downing of that russian airliner in the sinai peninsula with 224 people on board. and so they've got this shared interest in defeating the terrorism of isis and that's why they've come together today. in fact, within the past few minutes, there's been a brief photo opportunity of the two leaders sitting down inside the kremlin with the press pool before they go into that working dinner. and they both sort of sympathize with each other because of the various atrocities in both countries by isis terrorists. and vladimir putin offered up a ray of hope. saying essentially, look, we are going to work together to defeat a common evil. that's exactly the kind of language that the french president wants to hear, as he tries to build this ground coalition of all these different countries to try to finally defeat isis. the problem is of course that in syria, where isis is primarily based, russia has a very different perspective on how
that conflict should end than, you know, the west does, than france does. so it is a very complicated situation. >> matthew chance, stand by, if you will. keep an eye on that, if you will, for us. at the kremlin today, vladimir putin complained that turkey has not apologized, nor offered any compensation, for that russian war plane it shot down on tuesday with pilots inside. today, in an exclusive interview with cnn, the turkish president made it clear, don't be expecting any forthcoming apology. >> translator: well, i think if there's a party that needs to apologize, it's not us. those who violated our airspace are the ones who need to apologize. our pilots and our armed forces, they simply fulfill their duties, which consisted of responding to a violation of the
rules of engagement. i think this is the essence. >> russia still insists its planes were never in turkish airspace, and never got any warnings from those turks. turkey says the world can hear for itself, releasing these recordings. >> so the leader of turkey says the leader of russia is making a, quote, huge mistake. accusing turkey of being an accomplice, his words, accomplice, to isis. turkey says russia helps isis by targeting so-called moderate opposition members to the syrian regime. so it's getting pretty ugly out there. and in london today, the british prime minister, david cameron, tried once again to persuade his own parliament to authorize
syrian air strikes. >> we shouldn't be content with outsourcing our security to our allies. if we believe that action can help protect us, than with our allies, we should be part of that action, not standing aside from it. >> hear hear. >> from this moral point comes a fundamental question. if we won't act now when our iend and ally france has been struck in this way, than our allies in the world can be forgiven for asking "if not now, when?" >> britain has been hitting isis in iraq for more than a year now but the lawmakers specifically refused to okay any other attacks on the syrian side of that border. prime minister cameron says he's not going to call another vote unless he is sure he's going to prevail. and we expect that if that vote is going to happen, it's going to take place some time next week. my global security brain trust.
mark hurtling is a former commander general of the u.s. army europe. bob baer is a former cia operative. rick francona is a retired air force lieutenant colonel. we've got some big minds to put to it now. general, that is quite a list you have to tick off, the crisis in diplomacy now, you've got no apology going towards the russians from turkey, you've got a financial squeeze now being threatened from the russians to turkey, and turkey needs russia financially. and then you've got these accusations from russia that turkey is actually aiding and abetting isis. all that is very ugly. from the talk levels. but does that mean anything when it gets to much more serious action? and that is military action. >> well, you've got about an hour, ashleigh, we'll talk about it. first of all, what i'd suggest is you're going to continue to hear this bellicose lean between
mr. erdogan and mr. putin. they're both protecting their people. under the radar of these top leaders, you're going to see a whole lot of foreign ministers continuing to try to do some coordination about what it is they're after. truthfully, when you look at each nation, each one of them have national objectives as regards to syria and as regards to isis. there's not a whole lot of intersection. most of mr. hollande's problems are internal to france. most of what mr. putin is doing is supporting the assad regime which is, in fact, contributing to isis' growth. most of what turkey is doing is sudden somewhat of the same thing mr. putin is doing, fighting the kurds while supporting the northern turkmen in northern syria. you have to figure out who the players are and it is unbelievably con us tooing. interesting to me now mr. hollande is want a coalition
against isis. i think that's what's been taking place over last year by the united states and other powers. >> how the tables have turned in 13 years. hollande was arriving here at the white house beating the drums of war when that was exactly the opposite scenario when it came time to try to build a coalition of the willing for iraq. let me ask you this, bob baer. there's also this concern that russia is suggesting it is no longer going to cooperate with the military authorities in turkey when it comes to intelligence sharing. that's no locker saber rattling that general hurtling was talking about, that's intelligence sharing. in the place in the world right now where we need it most. is this a big problem, or can other players fill in that void? >> well, actually, it's a huge problem, because turkey is key on this. because it controlled that border with syria. we have to know who's going into syria and who's leaving. hollande and in the press conference on tuesday with obama said we have to control that
border. and he's absolutely right. if isis members can cross it without any checks, get their training and come back and go to europe and undertake attacks, that's a big problem. also the russians have been saying that turkey has been allowing the smuggling of oil from isis-controlled areas which i believe is true. there's an oil mafia in that part of the world. unless turkey controls that border, nothing's going to happen to isis. and the russians, on the other hand, are not exactly innocent in all this, because they are supporting the bashar al assad regime and they're doing little against the islamic state. so everybody's different goals in this. unless we get on the same page, this war will continue and spread. >> so i want to touch that word that everybody loves to throw around, even in the campaigns, and that is oil. colonel francona, i know you have spent a lot of time in syria. much of it people didn't know about and probably will never know about. but you have an intimate
understanding of the iraqi oil circumstance as it pertains to the surrounding countries. the russians are accusing right now the turks of using isis oil, of paying isis for their oil supplies. i believe the turks are saying the same thing. there's a lot of back and forth about who's supporting isis by paying them for all the oil they're stealing. a, is it true? b, is this a serious crisis? and c, is there anything anyone can do about this anyway? >> well, let's take the last one first. we are trying to do something about it just over the last couple of weeks. you've seen a concentrated effort to go after all of these oil tanker trucks we see in the desert. hundreds of them. they're moving this oil almost freely. and of course they're selling it to the turks. they're selling it to the syrians as well. oil is -- trumps everything else in the region. isis needs the income. turkey and syria need the oil. so they're willing to overlook the war that's going on to
provide this income that they all need and the oil they all want. we've seen this for years. this happened during -- when the sanctions were in place against iraqi oil. the turks were one of the big con duets of illicit oil. we've seen this over and over. yes, it is true. what's going to stop it? nothing's going to stop it until the political situation and the military situation gel together. both the general and bob said, all these countries, different agendas, nobody's on the same sheet of music. it's very complicated. there's no one overarching strategy right now. i don't see that changing. i don't think mr. hollande is going to have mr. success with vladimir putin. putin now has to play catch-up after losing an airliner and a firebomber. >> if it weren't already extraordinarily complicated, it just got much more complicated. go ahead, general. >> if i can add to what rick said.
mr. erdogan is basically saying no, we purchase oil from, and petroleum products from these countries and it's an aboard board thing. russia's saying the same thing. when i was in northern iraq, every one of those oil tankers that goes across the border generates about a quarter of a million. if you can just get ten of those across, you're on the black market. not officially but on the black market. you're talking about a significant amount of funding that's going to support a terrorist organization. we saw the same with al qaeda. >> you're talking about a really big fireball when it's bombed from the sky. so we can probably expect that to continue as well. gentlemen, thank you so much. general hurtling, bob baer, colonel francona, always good to see you and happy thanksgiving to you and your families. coming up next, there is brand-new video that's come out of that police shooting that led to murder charges against the officer and set off protests in chicago. all because of the shooting death of this young man.
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we have new video from a police shooting that puts the city of chicago on edge. it shows those moments before and after 17-year-old la kwan mcdonald was shot to death. i do want to warn you, you're going to see some disturbing images. they are not for families. these pictures were first obtained by the chicago tribune. the first comes from officer van dyke's own dash cam. the video is blurry and there is no audio but you can see laquan running in front of a burger king. again, this is the officer's perspective. the next video you're about to see is from another police dash cam. it is much more difficult to watch this. you can see on the right-hand side of your screen that that's laquan lying on the street.
he is now at this point dead after being shot 16 times in a matter of just 15 seconds. by this time, several police officers have gathered. all of this happening october 20th of last year. officer van dyke, the police officer who fired every single one of those shots, kept his job, until just earlier this week. in fact, he kept it until the very day that he was charged with first degree murder. last night, protesters gathered in chicago. while most were peaceful, there were some instances like this where christmas trees were vandalized, lights were pulled off the city christmas tree. and there were four arrests throughout the night. again, only four arrests throughout the night. laquan's death and the video is stirring up a lot of emotions, including the chicago police superintendent who pointed out this is a twofold tragedy.
>> it's tragic any time. unfortunately, you know, videos like this are going to stay in the forefront for a very long time. so my reaction is as a human being, not even as a police officer or as a boss. as a police officer, i see it as a tragic failure. on a number of different levels. as i said, this young man was failed on a number of different levels in his lifetime. and, you know, there's no reason that it had to end up the way that it did. what is it that we could do as a society and as a police department to present it from happening in the future. >> our ryan young is live right now in chicago. he joins me to talk about this. it's really profound to hear, ryan, the superintendant speaking this way, particularly when he said these words. this young man was failed on a number of different levels. walk me through that, ryan, tell me a little bit about laquan's life. >> well, you know what, i
actually had that conversation with the superintendant when he granted us that interview. one of the things that struck me so far during all the protests, i've seen people on the streets crying for laquan at this point but it seems like quite honestly this young man should have had someone as an advocate for quite some time. when you listen to the history of his life, you understand how sad and tragic it was, even before the shooting happened. when laquan mcdonald was shot and killed, his death went by with little notice. but the release of a dash cam video showing how the 17-year-old was gunned down by a police officer has propelled his case into the national spotlight. >> my nephew shot in the back. and all them other places, 16 times. >> 16 shots! 16 shot shots! >> reporter: "16 shots," the phrase protesters are chanting as they call for justice for laquan. mcdonald lived a hard life.
growing up on the south side of chicago. at the age of 3, he was taken from his mother after charges of neglect and placed in foster care. between 2000 and 2002, mcdonalds moved three times before being sent back to live with his mother. his time in foster care wasn't other. in june of 2003 at the age of 6, he's taken from his mother again after state investigators find his mother's boyfriend abused him by leaving cuts, welts and bruises on his body. mcdonald's life appears to stabilize when he's placed with a great-grandmother. as she becomes his legal guardian. at the age of 15, his great-grandmother dies, leaving his life in limbo again. just several months later, mcdonald is arrested for marijuana possession and spends four months in juvenile detention before moving in with his uncle in may of 2014. five months later, with pcp in his system, and a knife in his hand, mcdonald was gunned down by officer jason van dyke on the night of october 20th of 2014.
earlier this year, mcdonald's mother received a $5 million settlement from the city of chicago. and the release of this video showing mcdonald's death has led to first degree murder charges for officer jason van dyke. actually as a point of clarification, we have learned now that settlement is actually going to laquan's sister and not his mother. the attorney actually telling us that. obviously, people have been very upset about what happened with laquan and his entire life. as you hear from that story, it's just sad beginning to a tragic ending. we would love to sit down with someone from his family who knew him very personally to talk about what he liked and maybe some of the things he was looking forward to in his life. that's just something that hasn't been able to happen as of yet. >> those voices haven't cried out for justice either. i mean, it's just maddening to think of how this child was so failed and continues to be by
that family it would seem. ryan young, thank you for your reporting. happy thanksgiving to you and your nefamily, ryan. when you watch that video and you see him shot several times while he's already down on the ground, you may wonder is it even possible to defend the person doing the shooting? it is. may be surprised that my expert panel is going to weigh in and walk you through the defense of the officer facing first degree murder for this killing.
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nationwide. several people were arrested just last night in new york, in fact. tack a look at these pictures. the black lives matter movement. protesters marching through macy's department store, chanting. i'm joined now by cnn legal analyst and defense attorney danny savalles and jonathan gilliam, a former police officer himself, also former fbi special agent. welcome to all three of you. we were perhaps a little surprised to be graced with new videos, gentlemen, today. we've all been fixated on this extraordinarily difficult video that shows laquan mcdonald being shot dead in very graphic order. the new video's perhaps not as graphic but they might be telling. if we could just roll some of that video of the dash cam, of the officer who is accused of murder. i want you -- jonathan, i want you to walk me through why this
is significant. >> i think this is very significant because before we had six seconds of response from officer van dyke, now we see that he was actually following this individual for over 30 seconds, including and on top of the six seconds where he gets out of this vehicle. so he sees the threat. well, let's back up. he's had the 911 call that this person has been threatening people, stabbing tires and breaking into cars. the neighborhood is the one that called that in because they were in fear. he now gets on scene, sees this individual. the individual knows a cop's behind him and he's running with the knife. the other part that's very significant about this is the fact that when they actually got out of their car, right before that, this individual slowed his gait down and then pulled the knife out in a provocative manner. i think sh this shows a better picture of the emotional response the officer had. >> interesting you call it an emotional response.
joey jackson, you have had to mount several cases in defense of people who you probably felt at first glance were indefensible. if you're this officer's lawyer, are you not trying to look at everything jonathan just said, in terms of what informed his opinion, his fear, his actions? because isn't it all about what was in his state of mind at the moment he shot? >> it is and it isn't. certainly, you want to go to the issues of state of mind. jonathan is right on point in terms of talking about that. what led to this? what was the adrenaline the officer was feeling? what knowledge did the officer have in terms of the person he was chasing and what threat they represented? all of that goes into the analysis of whether he was on a heightened state of alertness and how he might respond. now, when the law looks at this it doesn't look at it only from his particular perspective, it looks at what the officer did nome a perspective of a reasonable officer in his position. and to be fair, the supreme court has said, listen, officers have to make split second
judgments. we don't evaluate what they did in hindsight, we evaluate what they do based upon what we see done and is it reasonable. now, that's the issue where i depart from my colleague, jonathan, in terms of whether the officer acted appropriately or criminally. i think that no matter the lead-in, no matter what you learned about him, you know, stabbing out car tires or trying to steal cars or whatever he was doing, the analysis is, what did he do, the officer's response at the time, was it appropriate, was there an imminent threat, did the force he use, did it exceed, was it disproportionate to that, and did he act reasonably. i say no. >> danny, as an attorney, explain to me -- i'm a lay person, right, so i might be in that jury box. and what's reasonable to an officer, with all of his training and all of his background is going to be very different from what's reasonable to me out on the street. would i have feared for my life? would an officer fear for his life because he knows more
violence or would an officer fear less for his life because he's armed and trained? how do you depart that on the 12 people? >> the magic word you said is training. what we're going to see here is officers are trained basically that at any time, anyone could be a threat. there are even studies out that demonstrate suspects laying on the ground have a potential to conceal weapons. i'm not saying based on this video. i think this video is very problematic for this defendant. putting on my defense hat, the defense here is going to, number one, look at all the videos, as we've already seen, and say based on that, there is an incredible realistic threat. again, as joey said, the supreme court will give sort of the benefit of the doubt to officers and not look at the actions in hindsight but what was available to them in terms of information at the moment. that, plus the fact that officers are trained that almost anything can become a threat instantly very quickly.
a person prone on the ground could be concealing a firearm they could bring out and shoot. there are studies that show that. can they demonstrate that to a jury? i think that's still a steep hill to climb. you can justify not bullet number one, but bullet 1 through 16, including that final bullet, and what that justified based on these circumstances. a very difficult case to make. >> maybe we can reengage tomorrow just on training and i'd like you to walk me through training so i know what that officer is thinking in terms of training. because i haven't had any of that training and i know i would shoot only if someone were running at me. but i'm a lay person. >> you have the protocols, all those are going to factor in. >> i'm fully out of time now but i'm bgoing to invite you back. danny, joey, jonathan, happy thanksgiving. thank you for doing this today. and the best to your families as well. >> thank you. coming up next, what it was like inside that paris concert hall when those murderous
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that hall. the people who were performing that night was the american rock band eagles of death metal. in a new interview with vice music, they are describing their vantage point from up on the stage. the bloody scene. as they made a run for it. dodging bullets. in a desperate attempt to escape the carnage. >> i see the shooting. i see it. i see, you know, the pops go off. the lights flashing. sort of dive over and then just have to make that decision of whether -- do i really want to run across the stage or do i want to just go in this room and hope for the best. people started dropping to the ground. injuries. death. you know, and then also running. there's nowhere to go so they basically ran into me, towards me and jumped down below my console. i was still standing up. i can see the gunman. he looked right at me.
he shot at me and he missed. and he hit my console. and buttons went flying everywhere. and that's when i went, instantly down to the ground. we all just huddled. and i think he thought i probably got hit because i went down so quickly and everybody else around was injured. there was blood all over. he stayed there and continued to shoot and shoot and slaughter and just -- just scream at the top of his lungs allah akbar. he reloaded again and that's when we all ran. i picked a girl up and basically had to push her forward to get her to go because she was in such shock. they were shooting at us. they broke -- the front doors were glass. there was a glass door. so i went to push it and before, i mean, i'd say a foot away from hitting the door, it shattered. a bullet hit. we just got through it and we ran out. we had to jog other bodies that
were dead out front. >> i felt so guilty in a way like i left matt on the stage and maybe davey too and i didn't want anything to have happened to them, and i really needed them to have gotten off the stage. because i didn't see what happened when we got off. >> i cannot wait to play. i want to come back. i want to be the first band to play in the bataclan when it opens back up. >> why? >> because i was there when it went silent. our friends went there to see rock 'n' roll and died. i'm going to go back there and live. >> the band's merchandise manager was one of the victims killed. they say he died while trying to help a friend. that he was never screaming for help because he didn't want anyone else to get hurt. but let's hope they are that first band that plays when the bataclan opens again. to our family here at cnn and to your family, happy thanksgiving to all of you. thank you for watching. my colleague wolf blitzer starts right after this quick break. ♪
hi there, i'm brianna keilar in for wolf blitzer. it is 1:00 p.m. in washington, 7:00 p.m. in paris and 9:00 p.m. in moscow. wherever you're watching from around the world, thank you for joining us. we're going to start in moscow where french president francois hollande continues his diplomat push against isis. any moment, hollande and russian president vladimir putin are about to speak about their meeting and about efforts to stop isis in syria. especially in the wake of the terror attacks in paris. we have cnn senior international correspondent matthew chance who's joining me live now from moscow to talk about this. tell us, matthew, what is really the crux of their discussions, what are they trying to accomplish and what may they accomplish here? >> this is all part