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hi, there, i'm brianna keilar in for wolf blitzer. it is 11:00 p.m. in washington, and 8:00 p.m. in brussels and 7 p.m. in damascus. we want to start with disruption between turkey and russia. earlier this morn, president erdogan has told are russia not to "play with fire." and now sh, the kremlin says th it is not going to happen, because president putin wants an
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apology from turkey. and then today, his foreign minister sergey lavrov took this swipe at turkey. he says that we have more and more questions about the commitment of eradicating terrorerism. and now, joining us is the correspondent for russia, and jill, do you believe that this is just one step for russia to take suspending visa-free travel for turkey? >> yes, we have just found out that the government is going to be issuing a list that is for economic and even they use the word humanitarian, and to be defined what that is against
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turkey, because there is a very, very high level of anger. they have already as you have said, the visa part, and they have urged the russians not to be, to tour to travel to tour to turkey as tourists, and they have cut back on the import of food stuff. so this is quite big and growing, and you can expect more of it. >> but is this going to stretch beyond the economics? what about militarily, and you have one member of the russian government saying that russia could easily retaliate militarily, but a lot of people observing this are throwing the cold water on it? >> i don't think that so, because neither side wants more, and i don't believe they will have conflict, but they have cut off any military cooperation and communication with turkey. that is really a sign of displeasure, but in terms of the shooting more shooting down or anything like that, that does not appear to be the case.
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what they want to do is to hurt turkey where it hurts, and the relationship of $44 billion in trade and services between turkey and russia. that is a big deal, and they will cut into that as much as possible hoping not to hurt themselves in the process. >> i know that vladimir putin says that he is not going to be meeting withrd ju ining with er that he wants to meet when all of the leaders meet, but is there a chance that they will talk? >> yes. because they have not said that they will not meet, but they are saying it is not plan ned or discussed, either. but briana, just the aerospace forces went through the explanation of how it happened, and there are even more strongly saying that it is actually, turkey set it up, and calling it an ambush. they aare saying they had
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notified the opposition to the terrorist forces on the ground to record it to know where the russian plane would fall when it is hit out of the sky, and they also told the united states that there would be some type of engagement in that area. so they are not backing down. they are very angry, and they are apparently saying, here is the proof of what we are saying. >> well, this is not going to the go away. jill dougherty, thank you for talking to us from moscow. appreciate your insight. and in the same news conference today, the russian foreign minister reet -- reiterated the stance of the nonnegotiation, but they are talking about more cord nation, and what is that referring to, barbara? >> well shgs, with the russians the french after that meeting with the french president and
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russian president together, but look, a long way to go on all of this. these are essentially plit statements that we are hearing from the heads of governments, and ministers of foreign affair, and ministers of defense about what they would like to see. political statements have to be transferred to the action on the ground for the troops involved in all of this. that is going to be more problematic. it is difficult at this point to see the u.s. military under president obama giving up control of how the air strikes are conducted by that coalition which right now at least is the majority of the the operation, bria briana. >> and barbara, what about the new russian missiles arriving there in syria, and they are not operational yet, but we understand they could be. do they pose a danger to the american s? >> this is where there is a
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polit politics on the ground and the military in the air collide. these misis sills will become operational in the next few days, but right now, they are just shipping in the components according to the u.s. it will then go operational. and that is going to give the russians the capability to basically control the air space over much of syria and then turkey, and so it is coming back to what is russia's intent, and what do they want to do with the system, because isis doesn't have any planes to shoot down, and nobody believes they want to shoot down coalition planes, but they are not happy with turkey. and so the officials are saying that they have to find some way for the u.s. pilots the deal with this system if it is up and running, because they can't be flying around out there, and they have to deal with the fact that this very advanced anti-air system may soon be operational. >> barbara, i want to ask you about the report that we are
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hearing from the iranian media, and this is a fascinating report on the rescue of the russian pilot shot down. it says that iranians and hezbollah took part in the elaborate rescue operation. what are you hearing? >> well, one of the things that caught everybody's attention in the state media reports is that an iranian and very powerful iranian in the guard corps seemed to have commanded the rescue in some fashion. we don't know if he was there on site, but that is not tiply how someone on his level would operate, but who knows, because he is going in and out of syria, and not infrequently in the recent months. the u.s. is looking at this very carefully, and they have no reason to doubt ta shat sul man was involved, and if so, it goes very much to the outfront
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capability of iran to have control over what is going on inside of syria. very complicated development. >> and now, this growing war of words between turkey and russia, a hound it could affect the isis mission. joining me is jim hynes a member the house homeland committee, and former member of the comm committee on security. and where do you see this? we know that erdogan and president obama and the president of france are going to be in france for the climate summit, and do you see it as an opportunity to look at this or should the u.s. stay out of the dispute? >> in the case of the russians shooting down the turkish plane, and so that is a place for the
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americans to have everybody step back. they need everybody to get the heads together with the negotiations under way in vienna, because only wunonce an agreement of what syria looks like in the next couple of years that we will then have the alignment a along with france to go after the isis. and as long as we have turkish operating without one another, and who is shooting who, it is not going to be effective for the alignment we need to defeat isis. >> i wanted to talk about the political transition in syria. the french foreign minister has caused confusion this morning, because he said syrian ground forces would be allowed to take part, but then he claire rifiedt they would only do that once
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there was a new government. what are you hearing? >> well, one of of the catastrophic mistakes of the united states was to dismantle the iraqi force, and we paid the price for tens of thousands, and tens of hundreds of new unemp y unemployed soldiers who are now without a income and yet they have military training. so we paid the price there. and now, the easing out of assad, and a long look at the members of the government, and those who are accused of the wartime atrocities will not be included. but once the agreement is there and once we have found out who the bad guys are, then absolutely, a role in the post-assad syria for the syrian military. >> you have said that efforts to end this civil war in syria
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could involve working with some unsavory characters, and you are talking about easing out assad, but does that mean working with iran or perhaps hezbollah? >> what i mean by working with unsavory characters, yes, iran is there in three forms. there with hezbollah and shiite militias, and their own guard within the country. so whether we like it or not, they have a seat at the negotiating table. and trigt there in they are rig regio region. it is not that we are going to be working with hezbollah, but the bottom line is that the deal that gets down is going to be not ending with assad spending the rest of his life in jail, even though he should, and who knows, but the iranians are going to be getting something in the e negotiation, and as are the russians, so like all of the negotiations, we will have a deal that is going if be e terribly important to align us
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gaiagainst isis, but there will parts of the deal that are going to be uncomfortable for us. >> and now, assad needs to go according to our officials, but some countries are asking, what is the lesser of two evils isis or assad al bashar? >> well, that is the problem for a long time. assad's violence that he had to run the country has a lot the do with the isis running the country. and i looked at the white house senior officials a year ago and i said, really, if you could push a button and assad would be gone, would you do that? because if so, then who is in damascus? and face it, assad is an embarrassment to the people backing him. he is an embarrassment to the russians and iran. and so, you can't wish the man
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away, and you can't snap your fingers and have a vacuum in damascus, and if we have a vacuum there, it is going to be looking like the vacuum in tripoli and so many other cities around the area where the leadership went away, and the bad people moved in. >> congressman himes, thank you for talking to us on this holiday friday. have a wonderful holiday. >> thank you, briana. >> all right. take care. protesters are going in the streets right now in chicago. this is in protest of the shooting of a 17-year-old. we will go there with a life report. ♪
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sty shawn lee. police say that the young boy was lured into a chicago alley, and then shot in the face and the back. it is believed that the boy was killed as a gang retaliation to get back at the boy's father. right now, parts of chica chicago's most famous street, they are shutdown. hundreds of protesters have converged on the city's magnificent mile on one of the busiest shopping days of the year, and they are outraged over the white officer's killing of a teen ijer, and they are calling for an investigation, and also the resignation of city and k n county officials, and ryan is on michigan avenue and tell us what you are seeing there, and tell us about the protesters and what they are telling you there. >> you can hear how the protesters are wrapping up and it has been an hour and 16 minutes as they march down michigan avenue, but i will show you where everybody is gathered. and this is a stopping point half a mile down the road if you want to make sure that they shutdown the traffic of michigan
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avenue and walk through this direction in little minute, and you can hear the sound coming from the back area there, and protesters want to have a peaceful march, and they accomplished that, and the police banted to -- wanted to make sure they covered every section of michigan avenue and remained peaceful. every intersection they chanted "16 shots, 16 shots." they wanted the voices heard to talk about what they wanted to, and that is the first thing, the change of leadership in the city, and people fired and held accountable for what has happened in the last 13 months. >> and ryan, are you expecting this is one of many protests that we will be seeing? >>. >> reporter: well, we have been hearing the proest the force the week, and they wanted to have their voices heard. when they saw that lashaun mcdonald falling to the the ground and shot 16 times, people say it is going to be changing them forever. and now, they are calling for
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the state attorney to lose her job, and the police superintendent, and as you can see, people are gathering, and some are shopping, but some of the places they have stopped in front of, people have not been able to the go to shop for some time, and no confrontations are from anybody. nobody came from the sidewalk to get upset with the protesters, and that is the good news, and congressman rush and jesse jackson were in the crowd wanting to be heard saying they want economic changes here in chicago as well when it comes to young black youth. >> ryan, are the reporters and people there telling you that they plan on protesting until they get the change they demand? >> that sis a great question. you know the grass roots, they pop up on the twitter, and people hit the streets. they say they will be back for every few weeks to get some economic change, and some others
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hannah beshon, 62. >> martin savage is there to bring us more from the memorial, and what is the latest there? >> well, we are still waiting to hear on the arrest that you just mentioned in belgium there as to who it may be. it is not expected to be among the two most wanted which are still salah abdeslam and mohammad aprixny and those are the two that are thought to be the sole survivors of of the attack attacks carried out a week ago. the two of othem were pictured in a security camera together. abdeslam is suspected of meeting with abrini as well in paris after the attack. and so it is clearly a larger
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number of 14 not only here in france but as well as in belgium, and that is what the authorities are honing in on. >> and in the memorial that we just saw, it is moving, but what is it like as parisians are t trying to get back to normal, but is there a sense that h things are forever changed, but a palpable sense off what happened two weeks ago as you walk through the city? >> i think that things are -- forever is a long time, but things are changed without a doubt. today with this memorial serv e service, it is sort of an ending point, and christmas is not that far a wway and the holiday ligh are up, and monday, the huge international climate conference taking place and 150 world leaders coming in, so now, paris
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has a number of things to look for, and but of course for the victim s' families, it is never going to be over. so life in general gives signs of continuing. you will see more people in the hotels, and not as many, but more people returning, but you are right, it is never quite the same and always in the back of people's minds. briana. >> martin savidge, thank you so much for that. >> one of the sisters of the paris attackers said she did not see any changes in her brother, and hear in her own words why she says this is not feeling real to her.
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sheets of the bataclan theater in paris is speaking to cnn now. sammy am manmore cannot believe her brother was involved in this. her interview with hala gorani. >> no. >> reporter: was there any sign? >> no, he said, look, i am very well, and i have a lot of things to deal with, and i will call you very soon and he said, send kisses to everyone and my cat. >> reporter: how do you reconcile your brother who sas,s you know, i will call you soon, the little boy that you grew up with, with the man who coldly murdered dozens of helpless people in a concert hall? >> to me, there is no link. it is almost like it is not him.
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there's no chance. i know it is real, but -- let's look more closely at who the terror suspects were in the attack. i want to bring in a former gee haw dys and also our cnn national security analyst peter bergen. and so mubin, you heard that clip that she is believing that her brother is incapable of that attack, and isn't that common that it is easy for the attack thors or the potential attackers to kind of hide their motives from the family? >> yeah, it depends upon what tip of attacker you are looking at. if i could give you a look at organized and disorganized. organized attacker, no sign, and mission-focused and will not distract themselves with these kinds of things. and the disorganized person generally will show the signs of
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the radicalization that the parents and the teachers are looking for and narrow interpretations of the islam, and declaring people as apostates and declaring verbally that something needs to be done. and if you look at the cases of the rains and the mu s -- if yo rapes and the murders of other crimes, neighbors will say, he is such a nice guy. >> and peter, to you are it is not surprise ing thing that the would not know? >> no, the fbi has looked over several the terror plots, and it is most surprising that the people who knew about them was the peers, and the peers were the least likely the to go to the authorities, and family members may know something, but they are less likely to go to the authorities the, but it is often strangers who will see something and say something, but they tend to know the least amount of the plot. so it is the hierarchy that the fbi is finding in the states.
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>> now that we are two weeks out of the attack in paris, peter, and you have, i think that we have some time to absorb what this means on a bigger level. is this the profile of what comes to western nations, and the profile of terror in europe, or is this even new? >> the thing that we are finding out about attackers is that they were not in prison and came from ghetto ghettoized areas of paris or brussels, a and this is not the way that terrorists in the states come from. they tend to have ordinary incomes and education, and in france, it is the underclass that are developing the views and then acting on them. in the the charlie hebdo attack, it was the same pro feel. >> and must bein, when ybin, wh
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that attack of charlie hebdo, you see six people from the same neighborhood, and then you realize a formula here. >> yes, clusters of individuals. like most of the research related to domestic terrorism is showing that people are radicalized by their peers. mark sageman is a prolific ar thor on this, and he calls it the bunch theory. and in canada, the same in calgary with a store front mosque and guys were hanging out there and they all ended up joining isis, and then some of them ended up on isis video, and it is a great problem, but no, it is a cluster of peers from networks that you will soo the violent extremists emerge.
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>> we see the faces of the ter t terrorists involved in the attacks, and beyond these faces that we see here, how much help would they have needed to pull this off, mubin, and how much, i guess assistance or just folks who are sympathizing for them or covering for them? >> yeah, i mean, it is quite rare to have a stand alone cell do an operation and there be no network outside of that. it is possible, and it is very much that isis can train to do that six or seven guy, and you are getting the material and employing to do the attack, and generally speak iing, it is alws more than the people who picked up the weapons, and got the false identification, and of course, a larger network connected to the attackers themselves, and then the sympathizer community, you can't start counting that, because it is huge.
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>> that is the numbers, peter. and what are you assessing that as? >> well, it could be a couple of dozen people, and don't forget that the female who was killed in the police raid who was, you know, obviously knew what they were up to, and other people out there than other than the people that you showed on the screen. >> peter bergen, thank you so much, and mubin shaikh, we appreciate your being with us. now, talking about something for months now that we have been talking about. we have heard the presidential candidates talking about the polls, and who is ahead or behind, but parties might want to take a look at the latest cnn/kaiser poll, and this is part of the race and reality series, and we will have that ahead. lthcare costs. to find out if you're are you are you getting all the benefits you're entitled to call healthmarkets? hi, i'm doctor martin gizzi it's a new medicare year. that means more changes ... and more confusion. my advice?
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>> welcome back. i want to show you the live pictures coming to us from the streets of chicago. there are hundreds of protesters who are there downtown on the city's magnificent mile. they are outraged over really this shooting from last year of a black teenager by a white policeman, and they are very upset with how the city has handled the case. our ryan young is out there with the protesters. what are they hoping to accomplish, ryan? >> well, they want to shut down michigan avenue, which they have done. 17-year-old laquan mcdonald was killed, and they said, look, we want to close down this black friday. we taught they were going to march up and down, and then leave, but now, watch, they are standing up and down the
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michigan avenue, and that is victoria's secret there, and they are blocking the stores, and they have the arms linked together and making sure that nobody goes inside. and now, we can walk here, because all of the traffic had been shutdown, because the protesters have take n e over, and if you are looking at this direction, that is the neiman marcus, and they are also blocking the front of that as well. so the people who are trying to shop, they cannot get into the stores, and the fact that at some point, you have to knock on the windows to allow customers out. this is all happening as we speak. but it is very peaceful. they are locking arms, and making sure that nobody can get in. at the same time, we are seeing no confrontation with the protesters and the shoppers. it is really cold within the last hour or so, but the people out here are locking arms, and shutting down so shoppers can
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not enter stores. you can hear some tof the protesters here behind me. >> how are the law enforcement handling all of this? >> well, great question. i want to show you something. this is how this is going on this side. they are making sure that the road is blocked, but out stooid of that, they are not getting in the way of any of the protesters or anybody else. they are making sure they are able to link their arms, but nobody is actually pushing them or otrying to move them out of the way. and if you are looking at this dr direction, they are standing in front of the store, and that is it. the police officers are allowing this to happen, and no confrontations and no arrests so far. >> and ryan young for us in chicago. that is ongoing, and when we be following the live pictures and back to ryan if more develops. and now, with a former cnn/kaiser poll that explored race and how americans relate to
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racial issues. we looked at a how the political parties registered. 30% feel they are more representative, and 54% feel they are less representative, and this is numbers better for the democratic party here. and 5 # 1% surveyed think that the democrats are more repres t representative of their interests. and 34% think that the democrats are less representative. to talk about this we have cnn political commentary tara set meyer and maria cardona. and so, i want to start with you, tara. but this is more diverse than the democratic candidates and something that sticks out when you are looking at the debates, but at the same time you will see the democrats faring much better than the republicans. what do you attribute it to? >> well, it is not a surprise.
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historically since around the 1950s or '60s the democrats have fared better with the minority candidates, and particularly blacks, and they vote 90% democratic, but what is interesting that have been a number of surveys including this one, the aspen and the atlantic survey as well over the summer that showed that african-americans are actually more positive about the american dream and about the future than republicans are for the first time ever. it also seems that the rate of voter participation has gone up 13% for plaque, and down 3% for whites. so there san opportunity here for the republican party to do better as far as gathering and explaining to why the black community, and the conservative black message is beneficial to them. republicans have been misstepping in this attempt, because by saying things line, well, the government, and you can't get the government out of your lives and pull yourself up
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by your boot straps, and okay, yeah, that is great, but the s messages needs to be why conservativism is more beneficial for folks in their lives and how it applies, and they have to do a better job with that and there is a chance for that in this election in the post obama election. >> well, i agree there is an opportunity for republican, because there is nowhere to go for them but up. they have done such a dismal job with trying to appeal to african-americans or latinos, and, you know, tara is right in that after can americans as well as latinos and i have seen it in survey after survey, they are much more optimistic about the future of themselves and the families in this country, and one of the question s s in the l was do you feel like you have a better chance than your children to reach the american dream, and blacks and hispanics overwhelming majority said yes, and whereas the whites and the minorities said yes. so the point is that the republican party's lack of that
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kind of messaging, because what they are doing is to talk the country they are talking about how this country is no longer a place where the american dream can be achieved. i think that really hurts them with minorities. in addition to, of course, we can't have this conversation without talking about donald trump's hate speech and the deplorable things that he has said towards many minorities in this country. >> and i do want to talk about that. i'll give tara the final word on that. but i also want to ask you about some of the challenges the democrats are having. we've seen hillary clinton and bernie sanders, they've both struggled at times to really connect with the black lives matter movement. why is that something that they struggle with, and it almost seems like there's a sense of fear from some of these candidates about whether they're saying the right thing, that they're not quite fluent. >> well, i think that what these candidates are focused on are policy proposals. and that is where both bernie sanders and hillary clinton are heads and shoulders above any of the republican candidates except
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for maybe john kasich, which is why he is nowhere in the polls right now because they talk optimistically to minorities, african-americans and hispanics. there's also a big difference -- >> they've also been protested at events. i mean, specifically bernie sanders. you've seen that with martin o'malley. they're struggling to connect. >> but what happens, compare that to how donald trump is dealing with the black lives matter movement, and there's no comparison at all. the other thing that minorities actually believe that government has a very positive role to play in leveling the playing field for many of us who were never born with a silver spoon in our mouths. and that is something that republicans have absolutely not talked to at all. and in fact, they have catered to the other side in focusing on special interests and the wealthy, and that's where their proposals are the focused on. >> i'm sorry to cut you off. i really want to give tara the final word here. she talked about trump being a problem for mirpts.
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i think a lot of folks look at that and say he is a bit of a liability. i hear republicans saying that. how do republicans combat that? >> yeah, i think that's part of the concern with a donald trump potential nomination for us. i mean, he's a loose cannon. he says whatever the heck he feels like it without consequence, and that's not helpful. but there are republicans out there who do have a positive message including marco rubio, including ted cruz. those folks -- trump has created, their policy proposals are actually ones that can benefit not only african-americans but the middle class, lower income. it's not always about the wealthy, but the republicans have a messaging problem, and they've got to do a better job of it. it's about engagement. and this election, i think we're going to see more of that. just look how diverse our field is. very different than the democrats. >> tara maria, thank you so much to both of you. and we are going to be right back after a quick break. zoom!
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as france and other countries hunt for suspects in the paris terror attacks, a cleric in belgium where some of the suspects are from is trying to keep young children from being radicalized. our reporter explains. >> reporter: some people, he's saying, do bad things and think they're doing good. and when those people -- i did this for you. this imam is teaching his usual after-school class. today he's asking the children whether what happened in paris was an islamic act. this little boy refers to a verse from the koran. he says, if you murder one person, it's as if you killed all humanity. he runs a muslim values after-school program for muslim
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children in antwerp. since the attacks in paris and the prominent role belgian jihadis were discovered to have played, these programs have taken on a new urgency. >> most of the children, they are exposed through many means like especially through social media, like there is no child that doesn't have internet at home. >> reporter: van ael converted to islam 20 years ago. belgium has emerged as ground zero. providing per capita the highest number of jihadi fighters joining the ranks of isis. children as young as 9 and 10 are being exposed to jihadist thoughts. children that you are working with, they will have older brothers who have gone to syria. >> yes. mm-hmm. >> how do you combat that? how do you -- how do you stop a child following in their older brother's footsteps? >> okay. i think that what we try to do, in general, is to make a
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difference between this is your brother as a brother, and these are the deeds of your brother. >> reporter: van ael set up these after-school classes to provide an alternative, he says, to the radical messages the children are being exposed to. next month he's moving to a new facility where he can accommodate 300 students, but it's come at a price. you have been threatened repeatedly by isis. >> in the beginning, i stopped teaching because it was -- it got to me, you know. it's not something that is easy. but at the end, you know, if your goal is good, then it's worth going for it. and whatever happens happens, you know. so it's too important. it's not just about my life. >> reporter: the classes will continue in spite of the risks. the need here is greater than ever. >> i am -- and we'll keep on going.
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>> reporter: cnn, antwerp. and i'll meet you right back here at 5:00 eastern on "the situation room." the news continues right now. brianna, thank you so much. great to be with you on this friday. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. on this black friday as the holiday. shooing season kicks off, protesters are disrupting business as usual outside the high-end luxury stores along chicago's famed magnificent mile. >> the whole system is guilty as hell. 16 shots. >> these protesters are chanting "16 shots" as they march along michigan avenue. 16, that is the number of times a chicago police officer shot 17-year-old laquan mcdonald in october of last year.