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to them? >> sorry for your loss. we're sorry, because we didn't want all of this. we understand the pain they feel and we know that nothing will bring their families back, whatever we may say. so we just hope that they can mourn their dead. >> reporter: hala gorani, cnn, paris. and still so much more straight ahead in the newsroom. it all starts right now. hello, again, everyone. thanks so much for joining me. i'm fredricka whitfield. new details in that shooting in colorado springs, colorado. where a gunman killed three people and wounded others in a planned parenthood clinic. robert lewis dear first opened fire in the parking lot carrying an assault rifle. he caused a neighboring shopping center and hospital to go on lockdown for six hours. he surrendered to police and is
now in custody. cnn's stephanie elam is live for us nearby the scene. stephanie, tell us more about this extremely delicate process of trying to extract the gunman from the hostages without anyone else getting injured. >> reporter: it was quite a scary proposition. you're talking about a situation that dragged on for six hours, fred, as they were trying to contain this man. and during that, nine people getting injured and three people losing their lives. very tense situation. so much so, you can hear it on some of the conversations between the police officers, the scanner traffic. take a listen to what was going on and listen to the intenseness of it. >> there are three people hiding in the bathroom, where they think they hear the suspect. they think somebody's knocking. >> is anybody in the safe room? >> we are in contact with one party, one of the three, hiding in planned parenthood. >> they're going to hide in the back closet until this is all -- we have people hunkered down in the northwest corner of the
building. >> confirmed, we have people still inside planned parenthood? >> trying to find the victim at the back. we're kind of exposed. we're seeing how many doors there are. we've got to check here. we haven't found him yet. >> copy, there's at least one here, maybe two. one was shot in the street. >> i need the bear over here on the street, asap. >> what we're hearing from police as their investigation continues is that this shooting with robert dear allegedly began in the parking lot and thaen he ended up in planned parenthood, we don't know if he was targeting planned parenthood, if there was a certain person he was looking for, but nine people are injured and three people lost their lives, including one police officer. >> all right, stephanie elam, thank you so much. let's talk more about this with cnn law enforcement analyst, jonathan gilliam and cnn intelligence and security analyst, bob baer. good to see you, gentleman. bob, let me begin with you.
although the motive is still under investigation, the mayor of colorado springs just told cnn that you can, quote, certainly infer what it may have been, because of the shooting's location. what's your assessment so far and why is it important to know? >> well, fred, i think the important thing is we're all trying to determine whether it was domestic terrorism. if that was the target of planned parenthood, that's domestic terrorism. even if the man was psychotic, he carried an automatic weapon and to a very politicized organization, at this point. and that's the way i'm looking at it. but for me, the significance of this attack is the five police officers that were hit by gunfire. these guys are really heroes to go in after somebody with an automatic weapon or at least a clikalashniko kalashnikov, semi-automatic, and take this guy on. i look at this as the paris effect. they cannot wait around for s.w.a.t. anymore, because if someone is determined to go in and slaughter people, they have to move right away.
and these guys did their job. >> they did, indeed. jonathan, fascinating detail about how police apprehended the gunman, they used closed circuit cameras from inside that clinic in the hostage situation. o are police and security cameras often equipped for this? we know that at a clinic such as that, it's kind of self-explanatory why they do have the kind of cameras, but this is an unusual setting, isn't it, or an unusual advantage that can be used for police in a situation like this? >> it's highly unusual, but i think that this -- whoever runs this clinic went above and beyond when it comes to security, and these are the types of things that can really help law enforcement as they respond. and i'll tell you, what bob just said was on point to -- i mean, i just cannot say it any better. haven't been in law enforcement -- one thing that we have to start thinking about. and i know a lot of s.w.a.t. members are not going to be pleased to hear me say this. so i think we need to start
pushing back and eliminating the amount of money and training that we concentrate on s.w.a.t. and i think we need to start giving equipment and training to every officer out there. we pour all our money into s.w.a.t. teams to be these special tactical units, to get these command posts out there. and the reality is, every single time, it is regular officers, such as this colorado springs university officer that responded and was killed. they need the equipment, they need the training, and they need to know how to work together, just like in the military, if you took somebody who was a ranger and a s.e.a.l. and you put them in a certain situation, they're going to know how to get in a stack and clear a room. that needs to happen. >> you're talking about officer david swasey, where we understand his family in melrose, massachusetts, today, will be memorializing him. a number of people coming out to pay tribute to him. so, you know, bob, because
planned parenthood clinics have been targets in the past, and you talk about the relationship and you're seeing it as a domestic terrorism kind of investigation, let's talk about these safe rooms that sometimes can be part offen equation. it's still unclear whether this location had a safe room, but explain to us what facilities would have safe rooms, under what circumstances, and how that would be helpful in a situation like this. >> well, they're very important. when i was in the cia, we had safe rooms. they were doors reinforced that you couldn't shoot open. and the moment the gunfire started, we were -- we evacuated to those rooms, took weapons to them, until local help could come. and apparently the planned parenthood office in colorado springs did have a safe room, at least the initial reports, and this is where they went to. it sounds to me that if, in fact, the planned parenthood office was the target of this man, he was somehow disrupted.
and couldn't get in. and that's probably thanks to security, you know. a true assault on one of these rooms wouldn't do you much good, but a lone gunman like this, it probably saved some lives. >> bob baer, jonathan gilliam, thanks so much, gentleman, appreciate it. all right, moments before the suspect opened fire at that clinic, he took aim at a man in his car, ozzy la cano detailed those terrifying moments and described the gunman as having a, quote, stone cold face. >> and then i saw a man crawling to the front door and i saw the glass shatter and he crawled into the entryway. and then i saw this other fellow come behind him and shoot down and up and walk into the entryway. and i just kind of lost it there. i tried to get out of my car and run. and i thought about that and i said, no, i got back in the car,
started it, put it in reverse and started backing up and then he was in front of me and he was aiming at me, and i just hit the gas, and he started shooting. and i was looking at his face. i think i had ten seconds, fife to ten seconds to look at him, to try to remember who he was and why he was doing that or whatever, and then the shots came through the glass. and then i started bleeding at him. i felt stuff hit me and i felt a pain here, a pain here, so i thought my jugular vein or my -- i was bleeding internally, so i just thought, instead of trying to do something to him, i just needed to get out of there. and i ended up in the king supers parking lot, bleeding everywhere, got out of the car, yelled for help. told them to call 911. a lady responded immediately and then i sat down and i told them,
there's something bad going on over there at the planned parenthood. i need to call 911. i kept repeating that. >> and was the gunman, was he moving around -- >> no, he was looking directly in my face and he was aiming for my head. i could see it in his eyes. and then that first bullet went right here and the other -- and i had a space in my windshield about that wide, while the car was moving. i heard three and i saw the two -- i mean, it was visual as hell. it was just like -- you know, and i felt this crack coming on my face and i kind of turned when that other one came the other way. i could see him aiming and i was trying to of move. it was horrible. i just don't know what would possess somebody to be that bad to other people that he didn't even know. that's what's bothering me the most, what the other people went through. it's just -- i can't imagine. it was a lot of women in
there -- very innocent people in there. i just felt helpless, that's all. i don't like feeling helpless. that's why i was angry, i guess. it's not right. >> ozy licano, very powerful account. civilians and five officers injured in the shooting and all listed in good condition at this time. next, the leaders of turkey
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turkish president erdogan says he wants to open a dialogue with russia over the downing of a russian fighter jet. erdogan has already extended an invitation to vladimir putin to have to have a side meeting at this week's climate summit in paris. putin is yet to respond. meanwhile, turkey's foreign ministry issued a strong warning today, telling its citizens not to travel to russia, unless absolutely necessary. just yesterday, russia said it would start requiring visas for all turks traveling there. this is all fallout from the downing of that military jet, russian military jet, by turkey, which claimed russia violated
turkish air space. what should we make of the russian response or lack thereof so far? joining me now, steven myers, a correspondent for "the new york times," and author of the book, "the rise and reign of vladimir putin." so we've seen a more conciliatory tone, coming from turkey. let me read what president ed erdogan said a short time ago, saying that he wanted to settle it by, let's not make others happy by escalating it to a level that would hurt all of our relations. vladimir putin, on the other hand, has not said whether or not he would accept that invitation to meet with erdogan at next week's climate summit in paris. so do you think vladimir putin is thinking it over, or is this the cold shoulder? it is not going to happen in your view? >> i think there's still a lot of anger inside the kremlin, obviously, about what happened. putin described this as a stab in the back and i think didn't anticipate that russia would encounter this kind of attack coming from turkey, though
turkey had warned about violations of its air space. it's clearly something that the russians didn't anticipate, and i think that's what explains, partly, the angry that putin has expressed about it. >> i wonder if even the downing of that jet, will this provoke russia, vladimir putin to better explain his intentions in syria? because it's becoming even more confusing, is it not, as they continue with air strikes in the northern part of syria, yet there also seems to be some support of bashar al assad. so, what is russia trying to do as it pertains to syria? >> actually, the russians have been pretty clear about their motivation and intervening in syria. that is, to fight terrorists, but to do that, they believe that the clearest path is to support the government of assad and all of the attacks that they've carried out, including these along the border with turkey, which led to this incident, are to help expand the
territory that the syrian government is able to control. they see, in russia, assad as being central to any solution inside syria, to end this conflict -- >> but does that -- >> -- and only by supporting them can that happen. >> but does it seem that that is supportive and effective? >> i think right now, if you think about it, for the last few weeks and now months of this bombing campaign, it does seem to have stabilized what seemed to be a tottering syrian military and government over the summer. to that extent, i think it has been helpful in keeping assad upright. so the question is, how do you move that forward to some sort of negotiated settlement, and i don't think we see a clear path to that. and clearly between russia and syria and the united states and turkey and the other allies, all of whom have a common enemy against the islamic state, i don't think there's a clarity yet or a consensus that's emerged on how you move towards a political peace process.
>> and the requiring of visas of turks to russia, is this a prelude to something more that russia may have planned, as it pertains to turkey? >> you know, i think everyone's greatest fear, when all of the russian planes entered the air space, it's very crowded up there. and everybody, it feared, that there would be some kind of a mistake like this. or a provocation or an encounter, a clash between the various countries involved. it was everyone's great fear that this could quickly escalate. and you see president erdogan talking about that now, trying to walk it back a little bit, i think. if there's good news in this, russia's response so far has been economic. it's been targeting turkish imports and the travel between turkey and russia. russians love to go to turkey. there are packages, vacation packages, especially this time of year, and so it's, at least, it has the potential of escalating, but hopefully only on the economic side.
>> all right. stephen lee myers, thank you so much. >> thank you. ahead, france is not taking any chances with who it lets into its country in the weeks after the paris attacks. how many people officials are trying to keep out. ok, we're here. here's dad. mom. the twins. aunt alice... you didn't tell me aunt alice was coming. of course. don't forget grandpa. can the test drive be over now? maybe just head back to the dealership? don't you want to meet my family? yep, totally. it's practically yours, but we still need your signature. hurry in for great deals all black friday weekend on select new volkswagen models during the sign- then-drive event. i absolutely love my new but the rent is outrageous. good thing geico offers affordable renters insurance. with great coverage it protects my personal belongings should they get damaged, stolen or destroyed. [doorbell] uh, excuse me. delivery.
entering the country since the paris terror attacks. the french interior minister says people who have been turned away were deemed, quote, security risks to our public order. he also said there are 15,000 officers currently stationed along france's borders. in belgium, there was another arrest in connection with the shootings in paris, bringing that number to six. the mayor of one small belgian city says he has been working hard to try to de-radicalize some who have come back from fighting in the middle east. alexandra field has that story. >> reporter: the fastest growing town in belgium is small. billboards populations just 42,000. so when it started feeding fighters to syria, things spiraled quickly, but then stopped suddenly. >> the exodus started in the summer of 2012. >> reporter: so in those two years, from 2012 to 2014, you had 2,800 people leave here to go to syria. where are they now? >> some of them are still there.
some of them are killed. >> reporter: mayor hans bonte took office in 2013 in the middle of the crisis. at the time, he said it was the city of jihadis. >> i've heard young boys telling me, my dream is to be killed. >> reporter: today the mayor is cautiously declaring at least a measured victory for his deradicalization and intervention efforts. >> radicalism, you win it or lose it on the corners of the streets. >> reporter: counteracting messages from recruiters has taken the work of a coalition. the police, family, a lot of community members and outreach workers. >> we try to send social workers towards the houses, engaging into the families and try, for the first time, providing help. >> reporter: the proof of success, they say, is that no one has made it to syria from vilvoorde since may of 2013. but nearby in brussels, raids to root out anyone with ties to the terror cell that perpetrated the paris attacks continue, making
it clear there's still a second front in a bigger battle across belgium, a country that is proportionately the largest supplier of foreign fighters to syria. what to do about those who come back. >> in my opinion, someone who has left belgium to go over there to fight in syria, he can stay there. >> reporter: 7 of the 28 who traveled from vilvoorde to syria eventually returned to the town. most were sent to prison, but those who weren't are constantly monitored by the police and the community. >> most of these people who came back, i don't think they are risky, but you only need one fool. >> reporter: he insists everyone must watch to keep anyone from falling through the cracks. alexandra field, cnn, vilvoorde. the town of colorado springs reeling today after a gunman opened fire at a planned parenthood clinic. a police officer was killed. next, i'm talking to a friend of that officer about what he's going to remember the most.
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we're learning more today about the police officer killed at that shooting at that planned parenthood clinic in colorado springs. garrett swasey was 44 years old, married with two children. he is described by those who know him as a courageous man and loving father who drew strength and inspiration from his christian faith. swasey spent seven years as a co-pastor at hope chapel in colorado springs. scott dan tenville is joining us on the phone. we're so sorry for your loss. tell us a little bit about your friend, officer swasey? >> i don't know exactly where to start or what you'd like to hear, but as you said, he was a man of faith. he believed in jesus christ as his lord and savior, that's what he lived for.
and we today know that no matter has gone on and transpired, there's forgiveness in the cross of christ, and that's what garrett would want. he would want us to forgive this man and to go on with our lives. but to be bringing the good news of hope to the world around us, as we see so much destruction, as i've heard on your news report. i mean, people are just in shock and don't know what to do. but that was garrett, in a nutshell. he defined himself not by his work, but by his relationship with christ. >> and that really does speak to the kind of impact that he has on the church, on his family, on his friends. as an officer, officer swasey, what kind of impact are you aware that he made on the community or how did he even intertwine, you know, his commitment to the community, his commitment to the church? >> oh, obviously, you know, we see that in a real practical way, just in what's happened over the last couple of days. there's been an outpouring around the world of support for
him and his family, reaching out to him. but i just find it ironic, here's a man who stands on principle, loves christ, and obviously, you know, he might not be in alignment with the abortion industry, but he'd be willing to go in and lay down his life for those people. and that's just the testimony to me of the kind of man that he is. not just courageous, but christ-like, because that's what christ has done for us. so that is the man, and that's the impact -- and i think it's going to have a real positive impact on our community of bridging us together. >> and scott, i mean, this officer, swasey, was an incredibly diverse individual. he was also a very talented athlete, we're all learning, a nationally ranked ice skater. >> oh, yes. >> what did you know about that part of his history and we're looking at a beautiful black and white picture of him right now, as an ice skater. >> well, you know, he talked about that, but, you know, garrett wasn't a guy that boasted in himself.
he was talented. i always thought that garrett was like a utility field on a baseball team. he could do all kinds of things and he was good at them. he was bright, he was intelligent. last week we played together, music together on a worship team. and i just got -- he got a kick out of, when we had finished, we had gone through a song before the congregation and i had played the wrong chords through the whole song. and he just followed me in that. and afterwards, he said, bro, we just took a huge train wreck here, but just laughing. i will miss garrett's laugh, and he cared about others and had a very gentle spirit about him. >> scott dantenville, thank you so much for helping us pay tribute to your very good friend there, officer david swasey. and a u caring fund page has been set up by a friend of the
swasey family in honor of the fallen officer. the money will be used as an education fund for his two young children. so far, more than $18,000 has been raised. also, a candlelight vigil is being held for garrett swasey and the other victims of the tragic shooting tonight at the university of colorado, colorado springs. and we'll be right back. this holiday season, get ready for mystery. what's in the trunk? nothing. romance. 18 inch alloys. you remembered. family fun. everybody squeeze in. don't block anyone. and non-stop action. noooooooo! it's the event you don't want to miss. it's the season of audi sales event. get up to a $2,500 bonus for highly qualified lessees on select audi models. count on being slammed this hwith orders.
in just two days, world leaders convene in paris for a climate conference, but it's the fight against isis and the chaos in syria that will surely dominate any sideline conversations between major players, including president barack obama, french president francois hollande, and russian president vladimir putin. but as of right now, putin has no plans of accepting an invitation from the president of turkey to sit down one on one to discuss the turkish downing of a russian military jet near the turkish syrian border. joining us no w from amsterdam,a world affairs columnist for "world politics review" and "the miami herald" and a cnn opinion contributor. freida, good to see you, you say all of these troubling developments have all the characteristics of a world war. you write this saying, everyone in this fight has enemies and friends on opposing sides, this
is what a world war looks like. strange bedfellows, conflicting agendas, alliances of convenience, and if you think the core of the fighting, the issues, and the ideologies at stake seem muddled, try to find out what world war i was all about, clarity is not a requirement for a world war. so, freida, expound on your thoughts and how you're seeing this conflict and the nations that are involved whether it be on the fringe or internally, really does help define what you believe as a world war. >> well, what we have right now is a conflict that has at its epicenter, the war in syria, which started as a civil war that was -- that started as a request for a democraticization in the country and was hit very hard by the dictator in syria, bashar al assad, and very quickly, we started getting all these other conflicts be drawn
into syria. syria became like a black whole that was swallowing all the contin conflicts in the region and it's growing in an ever-expanding wave of conflicts and participants. we have seen the terrorism that has expanded and blown across the world from isis that we saw in paris, in brussels, in australia, and canada, and we have seen this brutal war between sectarian turks in the region, between shiites and sunnis. we've seen all these other conflicts between the arabs of the region and iran, and now we're seeing the conflict between russia and the west now start playing out on the syrian war theater and beyond. so it's just growing and growing and growing, and there is no prospect that it's going to play itself out very quickly. that's really the most troubling part of it. >> and then, do you see a potential of a real concerted
effort of these -- of a coalition of various countries who want to do something take out isis, but then there are problems internally between some of those countries. do you see that ultimately, there will be a bringing together of a russia, of a turkey, which right now russia and turkey are having a conflict of their own, the u.s., european nations. how do you see all of these nations who are committed to rooting out isis, ultimately coming together in what would be, as you say, a world war against isis. >> well, you know, the world war part of this is not necessarily about isis, it's about the entire conflict in syria, and, you know, you're talking about countries coming together to fight isis, but the reality is that countries like turkey and russia pay lip service to their war against isis, but they have different priorities. they are more interested in the
future of syria. and they are on opposing sides of that. russia is in syria to protect the regime of bashar al assad, and turkey has, as its priority, not fighting against isis, but helping, helping to overthrow bashar al assad, and at the same time, going against the kurds and the kurds are the forces that are being most effective against isis right now. so the conflicts here are so many, and they really complicate the prospects for a solution. >> and is it further complicated particularly when you talk about turkey downing the russian military jet, because of this violation of turkish air space? >> it does complicate it more. i mean, look at the position of the united states and its allies in nato would respect to this new conflict between turkey and russia. the united states and the european allies are part of nato and turkey is also part of nato.
but turkey has been a very, very difficult partner in this fight, because, like i said, turkey is not terribly interested in fighting isis. and there are those who actually claim that turkey has tried to help isis. and that is -- there's some dispute about that, but fighting isis is not a priority for them. so, the united states, as a nato ally of turkey, is coming up and to a certain degree, defending turkey in its actions saying, of course, turkey had to defend its air space, because russia has been -- has been playing this game of violating other country's air space in recent months. russia is more likely to want to fight isis, because isis did shoot down the russian passenger plane over egypt, a few weeks ago. so there's a possibility that russia could work together with the west, with respect to isis. but the ultimate goal of russia is not to defeat isis, but it is to protect assad, to maintain
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apparent mocking of a disabled reporter. cnn correspondent athena jones joining me now from trump's rally in sarasota. so while it has yet to get underway, athena, let's talk about what is supposed to be happening on monday, where he will be meeting with 100 african-american religious leaders, who are now saying, this is not about endorsement, this really is about listening to what trump has to say. explain. >> reporter: hi, fred, that's right. i've got to tell you, he's just been announced, so we may see him appear on stage very, very shortly, but just a few minutes ago, donald trump landed here in his helicopter, is on the lawn outside, and then he gave several children that were in the crowd outside a ride in his helicopter. he's certainly making a ground entrance here. but about that event on monday, just a few days ago, the trump campaign released a statement saying that 100 african-american pastors and other religious leaders will be endorsing him in a press conference on monday, after a private meeting with him
at the trump tower, while some of those religious leaders have taken to facebook and other means to raise a lot of questions about the trump campaign's announcement. one wish shop, bishop clarence mcclendon from los angeles took to facebook to say, look, i was invited to attend, but i understood this to be a meeting. i have not agreed to endorse. this is not an endorsement. another person, another pastor who said their name was on the list said she was invited, but just said, decided she was not going to come, because she doesn't support trump, and she's not going to be endorsing trump. so a bit of a mixed bag there when it comes to reaction to that announcement that supposedly these leaders are going to be endorsing him. you can see him taking the stage now, so i guess we should listen to that. >> okay. well, let me hear from our producers, are we -- okay, athena, we'll let you listen in and you'll report back to us on what donald trump is saying. thank you so much for that report, really looking ahead to monday in new york.
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they are demanding the resignations of top city officials, claiming there was a year-long cover-up at a police dash cam video showing the officer fatally shooting 17-year-old laquan mcdonald. let's discuss this fut with our legal guys. avery friedman, a civil rights attorney and law professor, good to see you. richard, hello? i don't hear you, are you there? >> i'm here! >> there you go. and richard herman, a new york criminal defense attorney and law professor. good to see you. and you're coming from new orleans today, right, richard? >> i'm at marvin bigsies world famous bazaar in the french quarter. >> so avery, prosecutors say there was a year-lock cover-up of this dash cam video showing the killing of mcdonald. how can an allegation like this be proven? >> i think the delay is
unconscionable. terrible legal justification. this is something you want to do at the time. perhaps city officials said, we don't want another ferguson, we don't want to release it back from october 2014, but fredricka, bad judgment on top of that, i think prosecutors meet all four elements of murder one. and finally, you've got 12,000 cops, only four excessive force complaints, jason van dyke's one of them. and the department says that's a low-rate time for the department of justice to get into chicago. >> so this jason van dyke had almost 27 civilian complaints against him, even though he was cleared of those allegations in almost every case, how might that impact this investigation and where this case goes? >> fred, there were no penalties given to him. he was exonerated on every one of those complaints there. the family, i believe, was rushed into a quick settlement here early on. they got $5 million, a lot of
money, in any kind of settlement against any municipality, but there was a wrongful retention claim here, that i think could have brought more money here, and they were rushed into it -- looking at this video, fred, you know, this january will start 15 years with avery, you, and me together, every week. in the 15 years that we've been doing this, i have not seen such a brutal market that i have seen in this video that took place here. and i always say in these cases, when you don't listen to a directive or a command from law enforcement, nothing good is going to happen, and here, more than nothing good happened. this police officer reloaded his gun, in other words, he had 12 shots, he took out the cartridge and put another magazine in and emptied it into this man. there was smoke coming out of his back. this was a murder one conviction, fred. they will have to make a resolution. there was no legal defense to this case. >> mm-hmm. and avery, this is beyond disturbing, especially just how, you know, richard was describing
that account. what do you see happening here? i mean, what do you see in this sequence of events? >> there's no doubt that jason van dyke is going to be looking to the other eight officers. the big missing piece here is what were they seeing? what was their reaction. why was van dyke claiming there was some imminent threat of danger, and he had fear of death or injury. it's going to turn on that, fredricka. that's the up or down in this case. i agree, well, we actually did agree that i think prosecutors are in very good shape in getting a murder one conviction. >> there's nowhere to go, fred. there is no imminent fear of threat. this officer was not being confronted. the man was walking away from the officers at the time. you know, fortunately, there's a video to show this. can you imagine if there was not a video and how many cases go down without videos? >> quickly, avery, what's your
last point? >> well, that video was everything, between citizens, and without the first amendment, frankly, and the "chicago tribune" pushing to get that video, we'd never know. so look for these kind of developments in any kind of excessive force claims, particularly this one in chicago. >> yeah, so horribly disturbing! richard, thanks so much for helping to recall your commitment. the two of you that have been with us. and of those 15 years, come january, well, it will be a little over 15 years, i will have been with you all as our little trio here for 15 years. >> you're the captain. >> i don't know about the captain. i am following y'all's lead. we really appreciate your commitment. avery, richard, thank you so much. >> thank you, fred. >> we have so much more straight ahead in the newsroom and it all starts right now.