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last point? >> well, that video was everything, between citizens, and without the first amendment, frankly, and the "chicago tribune" pushing to get that video, we'd never know. so look for these kind of developments in any kind of excessive force claims, particularly this one in chicago. >> yeah, so horribly disturbing! richard, thanks so much for helping to recall your commitment. the two of you that have been with us. and of those 15 years, come january, well, it will be a little over 15 years, i will have been with you all as our little trio here for 15 years. >> you're the captain. >> i don't know about the captain. i am following y'all's lead. we really appreciate your commitment. avery, richard, thank you so much. >> thank you, fred. >> we have so much more straight ahead in the newsroom and it all starts right now. thanks so much for joining
me. i'm fredricka whitfield. new developments in that shooting in colorado springs, colorado, where a gunman killed three people and wounded nine others at a local planned parenthood clinic. 57-year-old robert lewis dear fist opened fire in the parking lot wearing a trench coat and carrying an assault rifle. he caused a neighboring shopping center and hospital to go on lockdown for six hours. he surrendered to police and is now in custody. but not before barricading himself inside an office. listen to some of this gripping police scanner dispatch as officers attempt to extract the gunman without injuring any hostages. >> there are three people hiding in the bathroom, where they think they hear the suspect. they say somebody's knocking. >> is anybody in the safe room? >> we are in contact with one of the party, one of three hiding inside planned parenthood. >> they're going to hide in the back closet until -- >> we have people hunkered down in the northwest corner of the
building. >> confirm, we have people still insid inside. >> trying to find how many doors there. we haven't checked yet. >> there's at least one, maybe two. one was shot twice in the clhes. >> i need the bear over here on street, asap. >> joining me right now, cnn's dan simon, who is live for us in colorado springs. so how did the clinic's patients and staffers stay safe like that during this very horrifying ordeal? >> hello, fredricka, we're continuing to hear some of the firsthand accounts of those who are inside the building. those who saw the building and darted into some of the offices and back rooms and ultimately waited for s.w.a.t. team officers to rescue them. one such person was katanya crayon, she's 22 years old, i spoke to her a short time ago. she was at the planned parenthood clinic to get an ultrasound. she was there with her boyfriend, they had the ultrasound and they were preparing to leave and then she
heard the gunshot and saw the gunman outside and she ran into one of those back rooms and hid for several hours. this is how she described the situation. do you immediately recognize those as gunshots? >> no, i didn't. it took someone to tell me to get down, that there's a gunshot, even then, i couldn't register, because it felt so surreal. you could clearly tell it was in the building. it was near -- it was close. one of the ladies besides me started screaming, i had to tell her, remain calm, everything's fine, because the gunshots were there, as clear as day, we could hear it. we had a gun bullet go through our wall, it came through one and went through the other, and you could see the gun powder and smell it. and it was just frightening at that point. we all just wanted to get out. and that tanya has been re-living the trauma ever since. and adding to all the grief, she
still hasn't heard from her boyfriend. somehow they got separated during this ordeal. she has called police, but they haven't been particularly helpful. and at this point, they are not releasing the names of the two people who were killed. they have released, of course, the name of that police officer, but those two civilians who also lost their lives, those names have yet to be released. fredricka? >> all right. still all very unsettling, for so many there. thank you so much. dan simon. so to talk more about this with cnn law enforcement analyst, jonathan gilliam and art ratteric. you've actually done some security assessments at the past at other planned parenthood locations after they received threats. so do you think the staff is, in general, somewhat trained for these kind of scenarios? is there, you know, some -- there are drills that they go through to know what to do, how to help save lives. >> i mean, the mere fact that they had a safe room at that facility just goes to show you that they did have some pre-planning involved.
since 1994, when president clinton signed the face act, kiss freedom of access to clinic entrances act, there have been several assessments done at all these planned parenthood facilities around the country and usually the u.s. marshals would go out and handle these assessments and make recommendations to the clinics and if anything did happen at these particular clinics. and it goes towards arson bombings and threats towards these threats. >> so jonathan, a situation like this, law enforcement would know, would they not, that there is a safe room. that might impact the way in which they enter this building. is that the case? how they would know how to delicately extract these hostages, at the same time pursue this gunman, and then knowing that there may be this safe space?
>> well, fred, the possibility is that the law enforcement officers knew, but i've done threat assessments all over this country for the department of homeland security, as a part of an assault team that went all over the country making suggestions, and it's really up to the company to take those suggestions, because it's a private entity. and then communicate that to law enforcement. but the other breakdown i see a lot of the times is, planned parenthood, there's no secret that there's people that absolutely hate planned parenthood, so it's a target. so law enforcement should be reaching out, doing walk-throughs, and knowing that particular property. and let me just give you one other thing for everybody out here, fred. you had a guy on a minute ago earlier that was talking about how he was sitting in the car, the guy was shooting at him and he backed up. people in this country have to start realizing, it's 17 degrees outside there last night. they sheltered in place. that was a good -- that was
good, because if they left, they could literally freeze to death. when this individual saw this guy and they made contact and he had ten seconds, sometimes you got to think, is going forward better than going backwards? because he ended up getting shot. if he had gone forward and ran over the guy, maybe not. while i'm pointing that out is, we have to start realizing that these are real possibilities in this country. >> yeah, it was extraordinary to hear his kind of process of thinking how for a second he thought, i'm not going to do anything, then he thought, no, i have to do something. >> that is a reaction versus an action. we have to be ready for action when that time comes. >> that was an extraordinary moment that he was detailing for everybody. so art, also, it appeared an invaluable tool were these closed-circuit cameras that were there at that clinic. how instrumental was it for law enforcement to carry out, you know, the duties that they did there, and be able to save lives? >> well, the video camera, the video feed was key.
obviously, when you've got an individual like this who's not only sniping at people from a distance, but also shooting inside the clinic, to know where he is at any given moment is the key part of this. because sometimes you can get a shot externally from outside the building, internally to take the individual out, and i think that's exactly what they were looking at. >> art roderick, jonathan gilliam, thank you both to you gentleman, appreciate pinpoint and of course we want to take time out to remember the victims of that clinic shooting. two civilians and one police officer with the university of colorado and colorado springs were killed. and wihile we try to identify te civilians, we know a bit more about the 44-year-old officer. garrett swasey was a husband, a father of two, and was once a champion ice skater. he was also a friend to scott dantenville, who i spoke to last hour. >> he might not be in alignment with the abortion industry, but he'd be willing to go in and lay
down his life for those people. and that's just a testimony to me of the kind of man that he is. not just courageous, but christ-like, because that's what christ has done for us. and so that is the man, and that's the impact. and i think it's going to have a real positive impact on our community of bringing us together. garrett wasn't a guy that boasted in himself. he was talented. i always thought that garrett was like a utility fielder on a baseball team. he could do all kinds of things. and he was good at them, he was bright, intelligent. last week, we played together, music together on a worship team, and i just got -- he got a kick out of when we had finished, we had gone through a song before the congregation and i had played the wrong chords through the whole song. and he just followed me in that. and afterwards, he said, bro, we just took a huge train wreck here, but just laughing. and i will miss garrett's affectionate laugh. >> officer garrett swasey grew up in melrose, massachusetts,
just north of boston. the mayor of melrose, robert dolan, released a statement saying, quote, officer swasey was active in his community and his church in colorado as a crass of 1989 graduate. i remember him to be a kind and caring young man with many friends, dedicated to his skating career and excelling in all areas at melrose high school. a u caring fund page has been set up by a family friend in honor of the fallen officer. (dog) mmm, beneful healthy weight is so good... and low-calorie. keeps me looking good. hey, i get some looks, i hear the whistles. (vo) beneful healthy weight, a delicious, low-calorie meal your dog will love.
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ago saying the united states must do more, bringing 25,000 refugees to the united states does nothing to solve the crisis. all right. let's talk a little bit more about all of this. joining me right now, republican strategist kaley mckennedy and democratic strategist nomiki konst. so kaley, carson's campaign says his trip to jordan is a listening and learning trip. but in recent weeks, carson has come under criticism for his knowledge or lack thereof of his knowledge of foreign affairs. will this trip be what he needs to kind of bolster his foreign policy chops? >> it definitely can be the first step. you know, if you think back to obama's campaign in 2008, people were really questioning his foreign policy credentials. so what did he do? in 2008, he went to jordan, he went to iraq, and he kind of buffed up those foreign policy credentials. and that's what carson is trying to do. this is the first step.
i don't know if it's enough to have him keep up with the likes of ted cruz or donald trump or others who are perceived to be good on foreign policy, but it's a good step. >> so nomiki, you agree, a good first step, especially since he has fallen into first place in iowa according to the most recent quinnipiac poll, he is losing to some evangelical supporters. so one has to wonder whether this overseas trip might assist or gain some attention among some of the supporters that have kind of perhaps shown that her -- he is losing favor with them? >> yeah, i think that, you know, obviously, the humanitarian side of this argument speaks well to evangelicals. the difficult thing here is that it's too little, too late in my opinion, and i think all republican strategists would say it's a good step in the right direction for him, but he does have to compete with ted cruz, as kaley said, who has a strong foreign policy background. and ted cruz is focusing on four different things right now. he's focusing on small government, christian values, his experience fighting for
these values in washington as opposed to ben carson and donald trump, and for foreign policy, because he has a strong foreign policy record. and i just don't think at this point, carson can really step up his game, no matter how many trips he takes, no matter how many times he changes his position. just last week, ben carson said middle eastern countries should be taking in more refugees, even though the u.n. even says that saudi arabia has accepted 500,000 refugees. they're just not part of the u.n. convention, so they're not going through the visa process. even though these camps are where those 18 to 24 to 34-month waiting periods are happening, and that's all around syria right now. that's in turkey, syria, jordan, lebanon. a third of lebanon's population right now is made up of syrian refugees. so these arguments he's been making over the past few weeks, they're crumbling. and i think ted cruz, who does have the facts -- may not agree with his -- you know, he agrees with that program to put more refugees on the middle east, but
at least he understands -- >> his point with refugees are well taken. there are more than 180 countries in the world, so why do the refugees need to come to the one place that is the number one target of isis. he's absolutely right to say that there are other places where these refugees can go, and it's also good he's going and seeing firsthand the strife of the refugees, the hardship of the refugees and coming up with this solution. he understands the problem that the solution is not to take in tons of refugees to the number one target of isis. >> but -- >> -- not the target one target of isis. >> but kayleigh, when ben carson says the u.s. needs to do more, what is he talking about if not taking in syrian refugees after he is already on record as sayi saying we shouldn't take them in and made his comparison to rabid dogs, et cetera? what does he mean, in your view? >> his comparison to rabid dogs was not the comparison of refugees to rabid dogs, he said among the refugees, there are terrorists and he was comparing the terrorists to rabid dogs. but there are solutions like
setting up refugee camps in turkey. these are steps president obama could have taken, if he was concerned about the refugees, he should have set up camps in syria, should have put his foot forward there and he chose to not do so. there are plenty of things that can be done, but taking those who could be terrorists into the united states is not the solution. >> let's switch gear and talking about donald trump in the spotlight, taking on some heat for some words and behavior, you know,, with we know the list is growing. he has been criticized for calling mexicans rapists, saying john mccain was not a war hero, calling for the surveillance of mosques, claiming that he saw muslims in new jersey cheering when the world trade center fell and now he is in hot water for mocking "the new york times" reporter who went to, you know, look into that further and said, you know, law enforcement, no one has found that allegations are true. er serge covelessky suffers from a congenital condition and this was donald trump most recently
and some are saying he went a bit too far. >> right after a couple of good paragraphs, talking about northern new jersey draws the prober's eye, written by a nice reporter, now the poor guy, you ought to see this guy, uh, i don't know what i said, i don't remember! he's going like, i don't remember! maybe that's what i said. this is 14 years ago, they didn't do a retraction. >> so nomiki, you know, can anyone explain how even that latest, you know, display doesn't seem to impact donald trump's popularity or at least we're not seeing that it is. so, what is the message that donald trump is sending with this latest. how do we describe that? >> insult? >> behavior.
i'll leave it at that. >> i'm taking great liberty to try to interpret that latest outburst. i think the challenging of his media is one of the messages he puts out there. i think he likes to be the non-pc guy who, you know, calls things like it is. and that speaks to his base. you know, to the rest of the population, beyond, you know, the 75% of voters that are not siding with trump right now, that's an insult. but to the 25% of voters who have made up their minds, they're really not going to change them at this point. and he talks about the same issues over and over. he's anti-media, anti-government, anti-politician, he wants to improve the economy and strengthen national security, bombing everybody. and it doesn't go far past that. he doesn't get into any details. and these are the kind of comments he makes every day so he can get in the press and continue his lead in the republican primary. >> kayleigh, what's your response to that? is he teflon and how is it that like nomiki said, he likes to get away with no -- with divulging very little detail?
>> you know, donald trump is conveying something that our current president is not. that's strength. when he says that i'm going to attack those terrorists, voters who are scared, who look to paris, who look to where almost 150 people died, more than 400 have died, i think, isis in the last two months, people look and they are scared. they look at donald trump and they see strength and resolve and executive decision making and a history of executive successful decision making. they trust him and it's materializing in the polls. and he could very well be our next president if america continues to be scared of terrorists and nothing is done about it from the white house. >> we'll leave it right there, ladies, because something tells me we'll have this conversation again. a continuation at another time. just not right now. nomiki konst, kayleigh mcenny, thank you so much, ladies, appreciate it. straight ahead, intelligence officials in kenya arrest two men they say were planning to carry out terror attacks. we'll tell you who they were, allegedly working for. ♪
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all right, france says it has stopped nearly 1,000 people from entering the country since the paris terror attacks. the french interior minister says people who have been turned away were deemed security risks to our public order. he also said that there are 15,000 officers currently stationed along france's borders. and three people are dead after
a mortar attack in northern mali overnight. mortars launched at a united nations base killed two peacekeepers and a contractor and wounded other people. and intelligence officials in kenya say they have uncovered what they call an iranian-sponsored spy ring in the country's capital. they also say the operatives were planning on carrying out terror attacks. cnn correspondent robin krooel is live for us from nairobi on some exclusive information about this. robin, what do we know so far? >> well, fredricka, what we know is that counterintelligence officials here in kenya told cnn that the two men, both kenyan nationals, were plotting terror attacks on soft targets, such as western hotels frequented by businessmen, tourists, and diplomats. i'll read you the names of the men. 69-year-old abubakar zeke louw
and yassin sambai juma have confessed to working with the quds force and they were working with an iranian official. his code name was parsa. we understand a manhunt is also underway for other people, these two individuals, kenyan nationals could have recruited to join them, as i said, they were picked up just a few days ago, and police say that they were working for iran's state intelligence, spying, and they had traveled to iran several times to receive military training and spy craft training. fred? >> dennian officials also mentioned that they have an active manhunt underway for a british national. also suspected in some sort of terror plot. what do we know about that? >> well, yes, so he is -- it's almost -- it's a completely different story, we believe, from the police, but they are --
they do have an active manhunt, as you said, for a british national. they believe he is part of al shabaab. they've released his picture, malik yassin, to the media and to the public, asking the public if they have seen him. they say he could have shaved his beard, he has brown eyes and a light skin complexion. they believe he is part of al qaeda-linked al shabaab. the kenyan defense forces are fighting the al qaeda-linked al shabaab across the border in somalia. al shabaab sometimes does launch terrorist attacks here in kenya, such as the westgate terror attacks in 2013 and the griese terrorist attack in april that killed 137 people. they are asking the public to be aware of this person and if they see him to alert the police. >> robin krill in nairobi, thank you so much. and we'll be right back.
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thank you for joining us again. i'm fredricka whitfield. let's get back to the developments surrounding a shooting at a planned parenthood in colorado springs, colorado. the suspected gunman, robert lewis dear, is due in court on monday. he's accused of opening fire at that clinic yesterday, killing three people and wounding nine others. police say the suspect barricaded himself in the clinic for nearly six hours, putting the surrounding community on lockdown. peggy mesias was grocery shopping next-door to the clinic when gunfire erupted outside.
she hid inside her car in the parking lot during this terrifying ordeal. peggy now joining me on the phone. peggy, so glad you're okay. i'm still you were still pretty shaken up about what happened less than 24 hours ago. how are you holding up? >> i'm doing fine. certainly, my heart breaks for our community and you keep replaying it, so -- >> yeah. and tell me about what you -- tell me what you are replaying in your mind. where were you, at what point did you hear the gunfire? and you know, your reaction? i mentioned that you were, you know, at the grocery store next-door, but then you hid in a vehicle, so, give me an idea the sequence of events as it pert n pertains to you and your actions. >> well, i stopped at the grocery store real quick on my way home, ran in, got a couple of things, went through self-checkout. as i was exiting, there was a
group of people right there at the starbucks and i did overhear someone say there was a shooting and i went ahead and went through the doors, the glass doors were kind of pulled closed, i went ahead and went through them, and at that time, i saw a number of police cars over by chase bank. someone from king super said, i wouldn't stand around, i would get to my car and get out of here. so i started running to my car and at that point i saw a fake patrol officer, pulling into the parking lot to blockade an exit. and then i heard someone -- just as i got to my car, someone yelled to get down, and there was a pop, pop, pop, pop. a series of gunshots and then someone yelled, get in your car, lock the door, stay down. soy got in my car -- got around and got in my car and got down on the floorboard and started trying to call my husband.
and on and off, there were pop, pop, pops of gunfire. anyway. >> oh, my goodness. did you feel like that gunfire was getting closer to you? could you even tell -- you know, what were you thinking at that mome moment as you were couched down on the floorboard and hearing this gunfire? >> well, i've heard gunfire before, but i've not heard so many. and i knew, because someone had mentioned planned parenthood, i knew the direction it was coming from, but i didn't know if they were there or if -- i just didn't know. i was -- i was afraid, i was worried about, you know, being there and something happening, me and my family not knowing where i am. >> and how long did you stay crouched down in your vehicle? >> i -- it seems a lot longer,
but i think about from the time i called my husband to the time i got home was about 20 minutes, so it was -- and i live maybe five minutes from the store. so, probably 15 minutes until i didn't hear any gunshots and i heard a couple of cars pass behind my car, so i just got up, started it, and followed them out of the south parking lot. >> but you still had to be so incredibly fearful to get up, get in that, you know, get in the driver's seat, behind that wheel, and crank up the car. tell me what you were thinking and feeling at that very moment. >> i just kept looking around, and surprisingly, there was a man walking -- he was going into the grocery store. i mean, i can still see him with his shopping bags under his arm. like, and people pumping gas. they had no idea what was going
on and what kind of danger they were in. >> oh, my gosh. >> just wanting to get home and be safe. >> so now the day after, how are you feeling about your personal safe safety, about the assessment of what happened, how narrowly you came to what became a deadly encounter with this gunman. three people in all killed, including a police officer >> how does this impact, in your view, what it is to move about in your community, go to a grocery store you're very familiar with, knowing the planned parenthood, all that took place, how do you think this has impacted you now? >> well, i had a conversation this morning with my husband. i don't think i'm going to be shopping there, even though i used to shop there two or three, four times a week, picking up this or that. we have planned to go to a tree
lighting ceremony tonight. we're not going to do that, because i just don't want to be in the crowd. my daughter is feeling badly the police officer was killed was from uccs, where she goes. i'll take it day by day. >> yeah. >> well, peggy mesias, thank you so much for joining us and sharing this very personal experience. again, we are glad you're okay, but of course, our hearts go out to you. everyone there who has been directly impacted, particularly those three people, including that police officer who lost their lives as a result. all right, thanks so much. and we'll be right back. all: milk! milk! milk! milk! milk! okay! fun's over. aw. aw. ♪ thirsty? they said it would make me cool. they don't sound cool to me. guess not. you got to stick up for yourself, like with the name your price tool.
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all right. turkish president erdogan is calling on russia to open a dialogue over the downing of a russian fighter jet. in a statement a short time ago, erdogan said he wanted to settle the issue, saying, quote, let's not make others happy by escalating it to a level that could hurt all our relations, end quote. turkey's president has already extended an invitation to russian president vladimir putin to have a side meeting at this week's climate summit in paris. putin has not responded and just in the last hour, reuters is reporting new economic sanctions are being taken by russia against turkey. they include restricting travel
and the hiring of turkish workers for some companies. all right, let's take a closer look at the escalating tensions. with me now, lieutenant general mark hertling, and lieutenant colonel tony -- i laugh, because we joke all the time. i'm like, your title gets longer and longer. you have an incredible, you know, repertoire of experience. congratulations on that. lieutenant colonel tony shafer, a retired army intelligence operative. good to see you as well. >> you as well. >> so turkey is taking a more conciliatory tone, but vice president vice president, so far giving the cold shoulder, i just explained the other things, like visa restrictions, et cetera. but now do you worry, lieutenant colonel shafer, that this is a prelude to something else, far more serious, far more, i guess, nerve wracking, as it pertains to russia and turkey, that relationship, and maybe russia and its positioning with bashar
al assad in syria? >> well, it's very clear, turkey is essentially no one's ally except itself right now, it's playing its own game. nato is very quick to distance itself from the downing of the russian jet. and frankly, they have not been our best ally regarding isis by the fact they left the back door open, they have been one of the main trading partners with isis. so i think putin's actions will be measured on two things. putin's long game has designs on essentially trying to recapture power. going through 60% of the world oil through the iranians. he will not sit quietly and let things go by. he will be doing things -- you already have seen sanctions in place. you will not see a direct response, but i think both sides will want to keep this as contained as possible as they go forward. >> hmm. then, general hertling, so what is behind or is there a way of explaining from perhaps a military strategic, you know,
point of view, what is it about russia being so committed to bashar al assad and syria in that respect, while also, you know, carrying out air missions in the northern portion of syria, which would supposedly be targeting isis, but then vice president vice presideladimir p he's not not supporting isis. can you have it both ways or is it one and the same? >> you can't fred, this has been an interesting dynamic. you have to consider that both mr. putin and mr. erdogan have often posed themselves as irrational actor ossen the world scene. you know, to start, the first thing they've done is thrown around economic sanctions. it's bizarre, when you think about it. when i was in europe, russia and turkish economy were the two worst in all of europe. and turkey is the only country in europe that's not supporting the sanctions against russia against ukraine. so for mr. putin to say, hey,
we're going to throw sanctions up against turkey is just -- it's just crazy. but when you take a look, as tony said, the russian long game, their long game is to buy strategic objectives, they've done it in the black sea, they're trying to do it in the mediterranean, and that's one of their biggest reasons for having this friendship with mr. assad. they have bases that give them access to the mediterranean. and they want that. they really don't care who's in power. they supported him in the past. you'll see a wavering of this, but you talk about the combination of russia with iran, russia with syria, russia against the united states and using syria and iran to do that, russia against the nato expansion. he'll do the same thing there. so this is a very strange strategic game mr. putin is playing, and he's playing it without an economy or a military that truly supports his objectives. that's the problematic piece. >> and colonel shafer, how do you interpret russia also
deploying large missiles to syria. the kremlin saying these missiles will stop something, like the shoot down from happening ever again, or is there something else here? >> mark is correct. this is part of the long game. everything that they're doing, essentially, is trying to reestablish the influence they lost in the '70s, for the purpose of essentially having what they're calling expanding. we're calling what they're doing in syrian and iran, the damascus pack. they're trying to establish these condominiums that will benefit his activities here. what you're seeing, these new weapon systems will not deter or stop turkey from what they did last time, but stop the resources he wants to protect. and again, i think what we have to recognize here is putin is playing his own game. he's been on this game for a while. and he will align himself with anybody he thinks will benefit his objectives. bashar al assad, i think, will be cashiered before too long. the russians have telegraphed their willingness to gosht his departure. the biggest thing that's beneficial to us right now is
the fact he has to help us to retain syria as governed space. terrorists are drawn to ungoverned space. like we saw in libya, we don't want to see the chaos caused by the removal of a leader and see everything fall apart. that would help isis much more. >> right. as we know, that's been the argument of how they've been able to take advantage of space in iraq and somalia and also in libya, as you say. all right, thank you so much, gentleman. colonel tony shafer and general mark hertling, appreciate it. >> thank you. all right, the city of chicago is at a boiling point. [ chanting ] protesters shutting down black friday shopping in the city, expressing outrage over a teen's killing and alleged cover-up. that is next. this holiday season, get ready for mystery. what's in the trunk? nothing. romance.
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a largely peaceful, very diverse protest, but chicago police arrested four people in the protest over the fatal shooting of a teenager. demonstrators packed the streets and payrollized black friday shopping. claiming there was a yearlong cover-up of a police dash cam video that shows an officer shooting 17-year-old mcdonald. ryan young joining me now from chicago with the very latest. ryan, what are the demonstrations looking like today? >> good afternoon, fred, how are you doing? i think the highlight of yesterday's protests should be the fact they remained peaceful. if you look at the streets here, they're back to normal. everything's opened back up. this street was completely shut down yesterday afternoon as protesters marched from 11:00
all the way through 5:00 in the afternoon. in fact, at one point, even at 7:30 at night, they were still blocking several stores down the way here. they would stop at intersections like this one and say 16 shots, 16 shots, and walk to the next block and do the same thing over and over. then around 1:00 in the afternoon, we saw people standing in front of stores, interlocking their arms throughout all races chanting, you can't come in the store or 16 shots. we heard it over and over. and people were denied access to several stores. i talked to a manager who told me his sales flat lined yesterday in the chicago area because of the protests. in fact, we talked to a protester who was excited about what was happening in the streets of chicago. >> they thought we would respond by burning it down. the precious magnificent mile would be up in flames. but look at the city. we're out here peaceful. we want peace, we want justice, we want opportunity. to see people locking their arms together, a lot of these folks don't know each other and making sure they're chanting.
how does that make you feel? >> it's beautiful. i mean, it makes my eyes well up with joy. look at the diversity. old, rich, young, white, black. we love this city. >> this is the international city. you have people all over enjoying the weekend here. as we walk out here and you look up and down the sidewalks, you can see all these people moving freely. that wasn't the case yesterday. the headline last week was people were worrying about the protesters. this week, it's a different story. yes, they were able to make their voices loud and heard. but at the same time, nobody got hurt. >> okay. and, so those are the positive outcomes that your guests even just described. why the four arrests, why are four arrested. >> they asked him to get out of the street. i believe he tried to push that police officer. he was taken down.
most of the times, we saw police officers giving orders of protesters and they abided by those. in fact, if you asked the public for the most part, the police officers and the protesters didn't have confrontations. that's something everybody was watching and waiting for. but they were all being very smart. but the other three were not. usually comes from an officer making a lawful order and that person not abiding by it. >> appreciate it. thank you so much in chicago. >> and we'll be right back.
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hello, again, and thanks so much for joining me. the mayor of colorado springs, colorado, just wrapped up a visit to penrose hospital where victims were treated. after a gunman killed three people and wounded nine others at a local planned parenthood clinic. >> and i'm absolutely convinced i monitored the whole thing yesterday from the command center that the way they handled it saved lives. the there's no question about it. it was quite remarkable. >> absolutely. >> you bet. >> you're welcome. >> police say 57-year-old robert lew lewis carrying an assault rifle. he caused a neighboring shopping ce