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you in the "cnn newsroom." i'm pamela brown, in for poppy or low. we begin in colorado, four survivors released from the hospital after the deadly ram naj colorado springs. at this point, five people are still being treated. the suspecting robert dear, due in court monday. this is his mugshot here, held without bail in colorado. and i want to show you this. a look at the suspect's residence, this tiny yellow shack located in the woods near black mountain, north carolina. this is a place where robert dear allegedly lived before he traveled to colorado and unleashed his gun fire it's 15 miles east of asheville, north carolina. coming up in 15 minutes from now, the suspect's neighbors are speaking out what they had to say about the accuse murderer.
you will not want to miss that. hearing from survivors held hostage at planned parenthood for hours, one 22-year-old ka a kantnia, she's he pregnant, went in with her boyfriend to get an ultrasound. i want to bring in dan simons. you spoke to this incredibly brave woman. i want to play the interview and talk with you on the other side of. let's take a listen. last thing i recall was he was paying for the service, card was declined, and from there he went outside and within 25 seconds i heard gunshots. >> when you saw the gunman outside, what did he look like? >> like he had no remorse and this is just a game to him. >> do you immediately recognize those as gunshots? >> no, i didn't. it took someone to tell me to get down, you know, even
within -- i couldn't register because it felt surreal. and at that point, when i heard the gunshots, i was able to make out a picture of what was going on, because i saw the gunman and saw him shooting, and once i realized that this is really happening, is when i -- i flew the scene, went in the back rooms. >> so you saw him outside? >> uh-huh. >> okay. as you see him, hear gunshots, realize what's going on. >> exactly. >> what are you thinking in your mind. >> where's my boyfriend? what's going on? this can't be happening. it felt like a dream. didn't feel real. >> then you go into a back room? >> yes. i ran down the hall, i tried to open one door, it was locked. i opened another door, and there was two people there, one was a nurse, one was an actual patient, and from there they -- they had no idea what was going
on. i immediately pushed them in the door, shut the door, and i let them know there was a gunman, you know, armed. once they realized the gunshots is when we grabbed the table and placed it against the door because we don't have a lock on the door. time went by, i wasn't hearing much, around 2:00. i don't know if it was before the armed car drove into planned parenthood or after, it was one of the two, but right after that had happened, you hear gunshots. and the gunshots weren't like the ones i heard prior, because the ones i heard prior were clearly, you know, some were outside, it wasn't near, you could tell. it was not in the building. but when i heard around 2:00 the second gunshots, you could clearly tell it was in the building, it was near, it was close. one of the ladies besides me started screaming, i had to tell her it's calm, everything's
fine. we had a gun bullet that went through the wall you, can see the gun powder, smell -- smell it. and it was just frightening at that point. we all just wanted to get out. about, i'd say, 30, 45 minutes later, a police officer contacted one of us and let us know that he's coming, they're coming to get us, he wanted to know what end of planned parenthood we're in. he explained the procedures how we would know it's him. and then after that phone call, maybe 20, 15 minutes after that, you hear people talking in the hall, and hear the procedure, and we opened the door, and there was a s.w.a.t. team. >> i know this was a sensitive topic with your boyfriend. you haven't heard from him? what do you think? any -- what do you think may have gone on or happened?
>> i'm not positive. i don't know if people were injured, if he didn't know my number. but i'm -- i'm just -- i'm hope everything's okay. >> his number may have been stored in your phone and may not -- >> exactly. i've called his phone like when it was happening, i called him, texted him, there was no replay, but his phone was active. my sister called him, she heard someone pick up and they hung up twice. and after that his phone's been dead ever since. >> what was the scariest moment? >> i think the -- there was a -- probably when i saw the gunman, then when i heard gunshots in the room. like i mentioned, gunshots were there, they were close. it sounded like he was right out in the hallway we were in. so i mean, those two right there it definitely was the hardest
the most terrifying thing that i've experienced in my entire life. >> unbelievable. do think they didn't have a lock on the door, in the room where they were the bullet went right through the wall, unbelievable interview there, dan simon in colorado springs. what more do we know about her boyfriend? have they been able to make contact? are authorities helping her at all? >> well, it's still a very much a mystery, at least to us, what happened to her boyfriend. we know they came together, they had that ultrasound. they were going to leave together. he went to the parking lot before she was going to exit and that's when the shots rang out. obviously, as time goes by, truthfully it doesn't sound good. hopefully there's some explanation in terms of what happened. but right now, we're still very much in the dark. we know that authorities have released the name of the police officer who lost his life, but there were two civilians who also died in that shooting. and their names have yet to be
released. >> they're saying names will come out monday at the earliest. what about the crime scene? you have brand-new details, right? >> reporter: well, we know that police are done processing the clinic. they went through and took all of the evidence. we know the investigation will continue we know that one thing that authorities were really interested to know is whether or not there were explosives in the building. there were some indication perhaps there may have been, both inside the building and outside the building. that's within thing that we're anxiously awaiting to hear to see what may have been on this guy's mind. did he have a more sinister plot here? of course at this point authorities have not released any kind of motive. >> we'll wait to hear and see about than thank you so much, dan simon. as the colorado stand-off rolled into its fourth and fifth hours, thousands started listening online to the police scanner. they could hear police officers inside the planned parenthood clinic, discussing possible ways to diffuse the suspect.
as listeners hung on, police spotted the gunman crouched behind the counter. listen to the compilation of police scanner sound. >> multiple shots fired, automatic gunfire coming from the building. [ gunfire ] >> zero one, we still have shots. in contact. inside the building. zero one, gunshots fired zero one, zero seven, roll call. >> gunfire. keep us posted. we have him isolated to a room. >> described gunfire into that room through the walls, whatever, we've got to stop this guy. >> yes. we've been trying. first, second door you're looking at on the left.
>> two parties on the phone. >> you have him contained within a room? can we effect those rescues? >> contained in that room. >> we can see the suspect on camera. laying down on the ground. he jumped over the counter. is laying down in the hallway, looks like to the right. i'm not sure which direction it is. >> get back up here. come around the front. drive up. front door the lobby. >> confirmed. any squad guys jump over the counter. be advised, he's almost waiting. use caution. he's coming out, got the ak. >> where is he coming out? the front of the building. get to the front of the building. >> 39, he is sitting in a chair behind the counter, looking up, white male, trench coat, maybe a beard. >> looking around? >> he's looking around. but he's still sitting. he's got the gun, low ready
position. >> part of the way they were able to track gunman's movement remote footage from security cameras inside the planned parenthood building. one of the three fallen victim was university of colorado officer garrett swasey. the 44-year-old father of two well-loved in this community. sarah gannon joins me now. tell us what you've learned about him. >> hey there, pamela. you know, officer garrett swasey was more than ten miles away, working for a different police department, when he heard the call at one of his fallen colleagues was being shot at and he rushed the scene to help. people who we talked to today who knew him say that this is who he was. he was selfless in everything that he did from his family to his former career as ice skater to his leadership at this church. everyone who knew him, is in mourning today. >> reporter: officer garrett swasey was a loving father of two, a former championship ice
skater, and a leader at his church. he was also a devoted police officer, killed friday in the line of duty, when a man opened fire at a planned parenthood clinic in colorado springs. >> shooter is shooting. officer down. >> reporter: 44-year-old swasey officer for colorado springs campus, on duty friday when he heard the call of shots fired and rushed to the scene. >> i've known him for about ten years, and throughout that entire time watched him faithfully serve others and place others before himself in nearly every situation. >> reporter: a pastor with swasey at his church was there when swasey's wife had to tell their two young children what happened to their dad. >> the cries and the sobs of her children learning their daddy was never returning is something that will probably be etched in my mind for the rest of my life. >> reporter: swasey was born in melrose, massachusetts, graduate of melrose high school.
the mayor saying, as class of 1989 graduate, i remember him to be a kind, caring young man with many friends, dedicated to his skating career and excelling at all areas. a six-year veteran of the police force, law enforcement his second career after retiring from figure skating. competed in 1995 national championships and won a junior national title in 1992 in orlando. >> garrett is -- was the most selfless person i knew. always there as kind of my confidante, my brother, he put up with me. >> reporter: his skating partner, chris even fowler binder, talked to swasey's mother on the phone. >> she wanted me to say that -- to remind everyone that garrett died in the line of duty, protecting everyone in our country and that there's no time that he ever would not have done that. >> reporter: in the early 1990s, swasey moved to colorado springs to train at the olympic training
center. friends at the church where he played guitar say he defined himself through his faith. >> here's a man who stands on principle, loves christ, and obviously you know, he might not be in alignment with the abortion industry, but he'd be willing to go in and lay down his life for those people. >> reporter: there was a packed vigil today in honor of all three of those victims killed during that shooting. and today, every single sporting event at the university of colorado, there was a moment of silence in memory of their fallen officer. >> so many people mourning his loss. thank you so much. and this in just in to cnn, right now, new york is increasing security at planned parenthood sites across the country, governor andrew cuomo says state police began increased patrol yesterday. will visit all of the 50 planned parenthood clinics in new york
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>> well, the more i see of him, the more i read about him he was clearly had psychological problems, a long history of. but the fact is he attacked a likely target for domestic terrorism. if he had no personal problems with people in that office, planned parenthood, i'd say we'd have to call it domestic terrorism. i mean, he's -- he probably had a political goal, but let's wait for the colorado springs police -- >> to come out with the information on a motive. and i wouldn't look at this study that -- it's interesting, it was by new america, washington research center, and it shows since 9/11 nearly twice as many people in the u.s. have been killed by white supremists anti-government fanatics and other nonmuslim extremists than radical jihadists. in light of that, what do you think the bigger threat is do you think domestic terrorism is a bigger threat than jihadists? >> oh, i think right now
domestic terrorism, i think conflicts in the middle east keep on going, eventually will be a blowback in the countrying almost certainly. but right now, i think law enforcement, especially atf, is worried about domestic terrorism. a lot of loose weapons. people with causes, very angry, can get automatic weapons. in colorado, there's a big problem with improvised explosives. i attended an atf court a couple years ago, that was mare major concern, domestic terrorism, not middle eastern. >> it seems like we focus more, and the media may be to blame, on isis and terrorists overseas, and people in the u.s. who align themselves with white supremacy groups and anti-government groups and that kind of thing, who may want to launch a terrorist attack. why do you think that is? >> well, pamela, i think the problem is these people are more organized in the middle east. they're used to violence. they've been on battlefronts for a long time. they have grievances with the united states.
we look at paris. we look at "charlie hebdo" attack this year and say why aren't these people coming after us? how easy it would be. intention is to hit us, they have the means, the big question is why haven't they done it so far? because it's so easy to do weapons are easy, improvised explosives easy to make in the country. all of the shooters in paris, a lot could have come to the country on a visa waiver program i'm cannot answer that question, but i understand why people are worried about isis and their ability to knock down airplanes, which they presumably could do here. >> not to undermine isis, we saw what they did bringing down the russian airliner, a big threat. bob baer, thank you very much. for the first time, hearing from people who know the suspected gunman in the planned parenthood attack what happen they can tell us that may shed light on the motive.
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the suspect robert dear lists residency in colorado but also has ties to north carolina. he's due in court monday, accused of killing three people, injuring nine others. neighbor of the suspect is describing his encounters with the man. >> it's about the end of may when our dogs went over there. we had a couple of dogs, the guy helping me with my house, dogs went running over there, we had to retrieve them, and when we did, they were nice, really nice guy, you know, talking to us and everything. gave us some anti- obaobama fly pamphlets. i didn't read them. i used them to start the fire in our campfire that night. but, yeah, it was like the only thing i ever encountered. he had a wife or girlfriend, heavy-set lady, staying there at the house. that's about all i've run into him. i saw him at the post office on wednesday. said hi to him. >> did he have anything to say?
>> no. asked me how i was doing, doing great. passing each other in the parking lot. >> another man in the same town doesn't remember seeing the suspect around ever. >> we have a lot of recluse out in the middle of nowhere here. you drive around, there's little shacks and trailers and campers, he could have been in any one. i don't know who he was. he didn't frequent the bar or we'd probably known who he was. that's our community center. that's how you meet people. >> you see his picture. >> yeah. >> does that face look familiar in any way? >> no, not to me. i just haven't seen him. but there's -- there's a lot of people here and you only get to know a certain few. you don't get -- it isn't a really nighreal
really tight-knit community where everybody knows everybody. most of people are up here because there's nothing to be on their own. i don't know that many people. i like to stay by myself. it isn't a tight, cohesive community. ye have the town of hartsel, the thing most people up here like to be alone, most people are out there, hartsel ul all we have is the bar, cafe, gas station. if you don't bump into him, you don't bump into him. basically he could -- there's a lot of people that live here, people just don't know. i'm sure there's people that know him. i don't know anybody. a lot of people have called me and i don't know who he is. i've seen his picture, don't remember seeing him around. >> that suspect allegedly lived at one time inside this tiny yellow shack, located in the woods near black mountain, north carolina. it's about 15 miles east of
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dent and can't conjure up a image of what tomorrow will look like. i never met a monster, evil person, nerver. >> this jesuit priest has buried more than 200 people, many under 18, all lost to gang violence. >> you know out here in l.a., on the streets it's real. >> i have been shot on two different occasions, for the record. >> cycle of violence. cycle of being in the neighborhood. >> why do you do this. >> scripture has the thing of the widow orphan and stranger and these are folks you're supposed to have a preferential love for. these are folks at margins with folk whose dignity has been denied and folks who are demonized. >> reporter: you call it boundless compassion what happen is that? >> well, it's a way of kind of making room for all of these folks, you know, no matter what. kind of -- you know everybody's more than the worst things they've ever done. >> reporter: in the city of
angels, gang life and drive-bys, not just the stuff of hollywood tales. l.a. has more than 450 gangs with membership over 45,000, according to lapd. you'll hear father greg boyle talk about infusing hope in those to whom hope is foreign. you call gang involvement the lethal absence of hope. what is that. >> not all choices are created equal. wasn't ex-supposed to violence or people selling drugs or shooting. everybody here has been exposed to that many times over. >> reporter: the luck he was born with drove father boyle nearly 30 years ago to create home boy industries, pulling gang members out of the often deadly track they're on, helping them clean up their lives and giving them jobs. who gets to come here? >> it's like the opposite of your typical job interview. we're looking for those people that have multiple felonies,
looking for those people that are probably the hardest to serve as far as coming out of a gang life, coming out of those type of situations. having served prison time doesn't hurt either. and the more tattoos you have, the better chance you have of being part of home boy industries. >> i came in to remove my tattoos. >> reporter: they help them remove symbol of their former life, taking off tattoos that bind them. >> feel like a different person. as you can see, trying to be a better father figure. a whole different life now. >> we've got people who have killed people. >> right. who have carried out heinous crimes. why does each person who walks through this door getting a second chance matter? >> i think that that answer is as d diverse as humanity is. we have 0 live by one of father greg's sayings, you're not as bad as the worst thing you've
ever done. >> reporter: about a thousand former gang members and men and women just released from prison walk through the doors each month. for many of them, it's a choice between life and death. and the way they see it here, nothing stops a bullet like a job. for steve, angela, janet, carlos, lamai, former gang members, uphill battle has been tremendous. how old were you when you joined the gang. >> 16. >> 13. >> 10. >> 13. >> 13. >> did you think you'd live to see age 50? raise your hand. any of you? no. now, do you think you'll live to see age 50? >> yes. >> everyone. angela has lost custody of her four children. how do you feel? >> every day is like -- you just have a hope, you know i mean. i know as long as i keep one foot in front of the other and do the right thing, it's going to be okay.
>> janet spent three years in prison. carlos served 13. lamai served eight. steve was sentenced to life but released after 17 years. the gang life, what is it that drew you? >> it's just the feeling of being welcomed, you know, like a bunch of brothers and sisters you didn't have. >> like another family. >> yeah, like another family away from my family. >> my whole life pretty much family members killed or in prison. the same thing, the gang was a way of life. i don't really feel like i chose that lifestyle. that lifestyle in a way chose me. >> for me it's like second chances. it's like a chance at life. like a life i didn't know i had. come here, father greg sees in us a normal human being and then some. he sees us as equal. >> why you scared of relapsing, falling back into jail? >> yes, very much so.
very much so. because we're what kind of drove me into the gang culture making money. started with money, selling drugs. >> i mean, after a while you come to realize that you do need a change. you can't just be out there your whole life running around not doing nothing for yourself. >> why do you think this works? >> i think it works because people come in, wanting that change. we don't look for them. we don't advertise it. it's on you, you want to come here, you come willingly. >> reporter: more than 30,000 former gang members have come through homeboy, for those completing special 18-month program, boyle says only 30% return to prison. that's compared to more than 60% across california, close to 70% nationwide. just three years after they're released. >> why are your numbers better. >> a lot of times we have a menu and list of services to deliver,
and then we become the dmv. you know, it's like now serving number 43. what do you need? so you need counseling, okay. parenting, good. anger management. we dispatch people we don't do that here. >> reporter: what they do at homeboy is job placement, mental health counseling, legal aid, solar panel insulation training and more. >> a bond developed stronger than their family and certainly stronger than their gang. >> reporter: homeboy only gets 2% of its funding from the government, and admits it is hard to raise money for many. >> we're a tougher sell because they're human beings who have been to prison and who are gang members. this place begs the question, what if we were to invest in these folks rather than endlessly futilely trying to incarcerate our way out of this problem? >> reporter: jose sees this through their eyes like few others can. why do you help them? >> i help them because that's
the world i came from. i served 13 years of my life in prison myself. eight years ago my 17-year-old son was shot in front of my house. i don't want any other parent to experience that type of pain. >> reporter: what is the most profound thing that has happened to you here? >> i jumped a guy into a gang when he was 9 years old, and when he was 18, he received three life sentences. and all three life sentences were for crimes that he didn't commit. eventually, through the appeal process, he was released. it took 18 years for that to happen. and last december he walked through the door of my office and asked me to help him, and i felt that my life had gone
complete circle because i had helped bring this individual into such a violent and negative lifestyle and now i've been able to help him re-enter society and start the process of finding himself, because i love him. i've always loved him. that's what he was seeking from me. when he was 8, 9, 10 years old, and i didn't know how to love him then. so i'm just grateful i know how to love him now. father greg taught me that. >> reporter: a gift so great, repayment is nearly impossible. is there any one that you have not been able to find grace in somewhere? >> never. never. >> reporter: poppy harlow, cnn, los angeles. >> what a powerful story from poppy harlow. we'll be right back. ♪
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gangs responsible for the execution-style killing of tie shawn lee, the boy, 9 years old, lured down an alley right near his grandmother's house and shot multiple times at close range. police say it was all because of his father's gang rivalry. officials have now arrested this man, 27-year-old corey morgan, convicted felon and known gang member, and charged him with first-degree murder. police believe he was one of three men involved. i want to bring in michael daly, special correspondenter to "the daily beast." michael, you looked into this gang war that ended this little boy's life about those gangs you wrote, quote, never mind your blood ties, faction affiliation, therefore life and death is decided by what block you happen to be raised on. what did you mean by that. >> i mean, if you spoke -- i spoke to a number of members of the banks involved, you know, it isn't like a guy, you know,
decides, all right, i'm going to join the new money gang or i'm going to join the bang-bang gang. you happen to live on that block, that's the gang you're in, and the terrible thing beyond the age of this child was that he didn't even really live on that block. he lived with his grandmother in the other gang's territory and le just happened to have a blood line to someone who was with the rival gang. back in october, there was a gang member shot and killed, with his mother, and the mother was wounded, and the person is now under arrest for murdering that child was the brother of the guy who got killed. >> what was receipt act, i'm curious, gang members you talked to, what was the reaction that a fellow gang member killed this little boy? >> there were various reactions. worst reaction i heard a guy telling me, there are no innocents. that's the game. they call it the game. >> wow. >> talking about people who this
particular back and forth with these two, they're factions of factions of gangs, it goes back maybe two, three years but the war itself, it goes back, talking -- talking to guy whose are 25, 26 years old and that's all they've known. and it's just guns, guns, guns. >> wow. you also looked into the family of tyshawn lee, i imagine, they are still going through so much shock after what happened here. >> can you imagine if you were told that your son, your 9-year-old son, was in a play ground on a swing set, three gang members were sitting in an suv watching him, one of them got out of the suv, went up, took your son's basketball and bounced it a couple of types and handed it back to him and walked with him along and down into an alley and these other two guys came in behind him? imagine hearing that. >> unimaginable. unimaginable. our hearts go out to that
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we're doing everything we can to give you the best experience possible. because we should fit into your life. not the other way around. in just two day, world leaders will convene in paris for a climate conference. but it's the fight against isis and the chaos in syria that will surely dominate among major players. cnn opinion contributor and "miami herald" world affairs columnist wrote a piece for cnn.com that sparked a lot of interest. in this article she asks, how is this not world war iii? she spoke with fredricka whitfield earlier today. take a listen. >> we have seen -- we have seen the terrorism that has expanded
and blown across the world from isis that we saw in paris, in brusse brussels, australia, canada. and we have seen this brutal world between sectarian violence, shiites and sunnis, in iran, and now the conflict between russia and the west now starting to play out on. >> so for more on this, let's bring in cnn intelligence security analyst bob baer and kimberly dozier. thanks for coming on. bob, i'm going to start with you. i'm curious, do you agree there are signs on the another world war here? >> well, i think we are certainly heading that way. turkey is not backing down in the shooting down of this russian airplane. neither is putin. they have levied sanctions. this has gone a long way already. i mean, the last time a nato
member shot down a soviet a airplane was during the korean war. we came close to a world war then. you have the fight also between saudi arabia and iran. could this turn into a hot war? i think absolutely. we're certainly get closer there. what concerns me is no one has a political solution to head this off. >> that is frightening. kimberly, what are your thoughts? >> well, i think there is a lot of symbolism here that both russia and turkey are drawing lines to say this is an issue of sovereignty. but i think you would see russia eventually back down if turkey would issue an official apology. you have the turkish president saying he is saddened, that he regrets that it has happened. but he is sticking by they had a right to shoot down the jet. and the russians saying we never heard a warning and we never went into turkish airspace.
there is a lot ahead of the climate talks meeting. you will see a snub by the russian leader to the turkish leader. but down the line russia is also saying this is our first foray into the middle east. and we're making a mark here. they are setting themselves up for negotiations in the future to be in a strong position. >> and, bob, on that note, what do you make of turkey now saying it is open to dialogue with russia, as kim said, after shooting down that russia warplane. now russia is not softening at all. in fact, it is hardening its stance imposing economic restrictions on turkey. >> well, i try to look into putin's mind. his invasion of crimea. that could have precipitated a war, an important war. i mean, the man intends to keep bashar al assad in power. right now is continuing to bomb effect itchly our proxies and
turkey's proxies. he does not appear to be packing down. i hope he will. i hope he's rational. just like he backed down on crimea, i hope he does in the middle east. i have never seen divisions so deep, so much hostility. and a terrorist movement out in such a strong way in the last month, shooting down the airplane, attacks in tunisia, mali. and then paris. i mean, it seems to be getting worse, not better. and coming up with a solution is going to take a unified world. rush sharks the united states, turkey, iran. and the european union. without that we will have a lot more violence which could break out into something that looks like world war iii. >> you have all these countries palming syria. it seems they are not all on the same page. if they were, it seems that would make a bigger dent against
isis >> you're right. bob's points are right that russia doesn't seem to be backing down. yet we don't have major powers facing off against each other. we have proxies. we have russian and u.s. officials still meeting with each other. and planning to get all the sides to a negotiating table at the u.n. sometime after january 1st. so they are still talking. >> bob baer, kim dozer, thank you. we have to go. the seventies. you can get the latest on cnn.com. have a great night.
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