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stro stronger bonds between the men and women in the department, and the makeup of the department and the communities they are sworn to serve and protect. while i don't believe that the actions of officer van dyke reflect the actions of those men and women who risk their lives everyday to protect our lives, but i todo know that the misusef force is not isolated to chicago. there is a history of it. we have been working hard to combat that with additional train aring, and combat training, and the proper use of force, but regard lless of the training, the killing of laquan mcdonald is a vifd reminder of much more work to be done in the city. there are two key questions before us. first, was this specific investigation handled properly,
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and i want that question to be clear that the question is being handled by the city's department and all evidence has been turned the offthe fbi within weeks of the shootings, and that is not only the shooting itself, but to the police department's response. they will address the questions when the investigation is complete, and i would hope that you would await the inquiry which i am anxious for. and the second question is how we prevent this type of incident from happening again. how do we ensure that we are effectively policing the police? that is why today i'm announcing that i have asked five respected chicagoans who are leaders in the criminal justice system to do a top to bottom review of the system of oversight, accountability, and training an transparency that is currently in place for chicago's police officers. these five leaders have
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extensive experience investigating police misconduct or represent iing the victims o police misconduct. they include sergio acosta, inspector general joe ferguson, laurie lightfoot, hi grah and ray stone. they will look at youth and religious leaders and others make sure that there is input from all parts of the city and all perspectives as it relates to criminal justice and the police department and public safety. in addition, chicago native and former massachusetts governor deval patrick who has led the united states department of justice's civil rights division under president clinton hassing a -- has agreed to be a president of the civil rights
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division. they know that any case of excessive force or abusive authority undermines the entire force the trust that we must build with every community in the city. the police officers are only as effective as if they are trusted by all chicagoans, and wherever they are and wherever they live in the city, and by reinvigorating the oversight, we will continue the take the necessary steps to build trust between the police and the residents and the communities they serve. in order the bring the level of safety to the streets that every chicagoan deserves, people need to have confidence in the entire system. they must have trust of the system in place, and that why the task force is going to be looking at how the city handles excessive force cases. how we can develop an early warning system to help to us intervene with problem officer,
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and how the improve the transpaernt si in these cases without compromising ongoing investigations. everyday we work to earn their trust, to earn the public's trust, we will re-double the work in p per suit of that goal. everyday, we have to insure that the ek chs and balances are in place to keep the are respect of chicagoans in public safety and those entrusted with that responsibility. that trust must be earned by everyone from the police officer on the beat to the highest ranking official s s in the government. superintendent gar ry mccarthy has been an intel lent police chief, and he has led to more guns off of the streets and efforts led to progress, but he noes that a police officer is only as effective as when he has
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the trust of those he serves. after this weekend of effectively handling the p protests of the release of mcdonald videotape and the handling of lashaun's killer, we talked about the fact that the trust of the police department has been eroded. and this morning, i formally asked for his resignation. and the superintendent garry's record is strong one and one that he can be proud of. i am grateful for his service to the city. he has both modernized the results and brought peace back to the streets. but now it is time to have a new
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set of perspective. i have asked for an interim superintendent until a complete search can be done. from the task force the new superintendent, and this is not the end of the problem, but it is the beginning of the solution to the problem. there are systemic challenges that will require sustained reforms. it is a work in progress as we continue to build the kconfidene and the trust by the public in our police force. everyone has a role to play. i'm just as responsible and accountable as everyone else towards working at that solution. i do not take that responsibility lightly and i will work to make sure that we will ensure that the strong chicago that we all want and the public deserves.
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laurie? >> you talked about transparency and accountability, and if you knew about this before, why didn't you come out and just say so. >> well, lauren, as you know the family contacted the court counsel steve patton the's office on the 27th, and that information has been made public and we reached a resolution with them in short order, and then taken to the city council. if you go back to the steve's testimony at the council, you will not only hear the settlement, but a full and thorough discussion of the videotape. second, and not only in that material, but also i would say in what was in that video. so it was public in that way. as you can tell, and it is self-evident, we have two principles. one is the desire for public information, and two, also the principle about the integrity of
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an investigation. it is clear and other cities handling this and trying to work through it, those two principles are in conflict. if you look at what i have just asked the commission to do is to not only take past practice, and protocols and programs that exist in place today, and have existed, be tow ask core questions about a video which is how do you make it public without either compromising, tainting or in any way hinder an ongoing investigation. now there is a common practice across the country, and practice that has been in place here in the city of chicago. you don't hinder, and you don't compromise an ongoing investigation, and yet, it is clear that you all want, and the public deserves that information, and two conflicting principles, and that is why having met just this morning with the commissioners, the five individuals, do we need to make any changes to that practice to
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ensure that what we have seen, you don't question why it is being held, and i have give n that answer. steve gave that answer when he was testifying in april and described the video is also to ask how do you reconcile those so that the public gets what they want, but you don't get the situation of how they have compromised the situation, and bring to the conclusion some level of justice. greg? >> given the urgency of the problend theonfidence in the police, why is this task force's report not due until after the primary, because there seems to be a political decision? >> no, i beg to differ. first of all, if you know the works and i just said to them, if they can get it done earlier, great. that is the deadline i give it to, you and if you need more time, you have to set it. and i said to them, focus and go
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deep, because those problems are real and systemic. i don't want you to lose sight of anything. there's a real deadline though to get us the material to keep working. >> mayor joux been in office 4 1/2 year, and you came into office and the chicago police department had a long history of excessive force and police misconduct, and why have you not a acted on this before, and the rele releasef of the video forced you the act. >> well, i beg to differ, and let me give you three examples. first, we reinvigorated neighborhood policing, and secondly, we did an unprecedented agreement with the aclu, which ist not under court order or lawsuit, but we brought them into how they handle the the cases which is two examples a. lot of the material that is out there is because of the level of transparency that we have brought to the data around the police department. you can even go back to 2013
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where i asked former prosecutor safer to do a report also on a series of issues relating to transparency or information. so i don't accept that. it does not peen that, as i said, that you are right, there is a long history, and we have is made progress, and the work is not done. >> and you should have acted sooner. >> what did garry mcarthur do wrong? >> well, first of all, let me say that i have a lot of c confidence in the work and the results that he has done, but the goal i would say to you have to build the trust and k confidence with the public. and at this point in the juncture for the city, given what we are working on, he has become an issue rather than dealing with the issue. and a distraction.
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now sh now, i support, and i have said it and noted the results of his work. 34% reduction, bill, over the last 4 1/2 years in crime, but we need to get to the confidence and the trust to build what i think is necessary which is as i said towards a solution. >> mayor -- >> let me finish, because i have a lot of loyalty to what he has done in him, but i have a bigger loyalty to the city of chicago, and the strength of the future, and the future and no one person tr trumps my commitment and my responsible to the city of chicago and the future. i thanked him for his is service, but we now need to make a move in both leadership, the commission, and the body cameras are all of a part of the piece of building the trust and the confidence, and that is essential if we want to see in the safety of the city of chicago. hold on. carol. >> how do you engender that when
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you did not see the video for month, and your department put out false information about it within hours? >> well, first of all, my level as it relates to my trust. my answer to that goes to the first part. one, we have a practice, and not unique to chicago is that you don't do anything that relates to material evidence that would hamper, hinder or compromisane vestigation. i have asked the commission to look into that, because there is a need for that information and i don't look at material in the criminal investigation, any of them. and if i had looked at that video, your question before over the next seven months is why do you get to see it and nobody else does, so i would see it when everybody else does even though i don't look at the other evidence and i want the update of a practice that that clearly has two principles in total conflict with one another. mike? >> mayor, the other night when
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mr. jackson talked about it, he complained that 90% of the mu murders in the city are not being solved in the police department, and the second thing that he and members of the black caucus and the city council have said they want is that they want to re-do extensively the provisions in the collective bargaining agreement in the police union as it relates to these investigations. do you have a comment on that? >> well, on the second part, let me say, that is for the bargaining table, and clear some challenges here. as in this particular case, when the information was made available, what was allowed and permissible, superintendent mccarthy took action, and that is officer van dyke was stripped of his police authority. once the charges came from the
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counsel's office, he was stripped of his pay. and there are some things in the collective bargaining agreement that is important and i hope that it does not get lost. but before you get to this, how do you get an early warning system so that when an officer has repeated complaints or that you can inteinterdict professio training and that is something that we have to talk about on the bargain iing table. and on the clearance thing, there is a challenge here, and one of the things is that in solving, and i want to speak to this, because it is more for the police department to do, but you have to have a level of trust for people to come forward as did happen in the deshawn lee case, and that did happen there, but not in others, and building the confidence and the trust can help the police department to do
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their job. >> mayor, what you are talking about is -- you had the report from -- >> he had 18 complaints, and it was known. there was $300,000 -- so what is going to be changing the idea that you will crackdown on the corrupt cops within your own police department when this guy had 18 prior. >> ed, culture, yes, but it is not limited. so if i was not clear, let me try again, okay. these are, what i have asked the task force to do see if the oversight and the accountability and the discipline systems are as vigorous as they need to be and if there are any changes, and two, what we have in place, and not have in place or not effective as it relates to the early warning to officers that have repeated problem, and third, how do we deal with the transparency of those cases, and
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also to make the information public. i would tell you that the goal is not just the culture of the police department, and doing changes are not enough, but it is part of changing the culture. having a leadership that dedicates itself to these goals is part of it. third, i would also note to you that the not just change of the culture though it is part of it, but building the trust and the confidence is involved in each of the steps. >> and mayor, what about the calling for your own resignation. >> and what about this guy, van dyke, wasn't it clear to you that he was a problem? >> that is why what you have here is a situation where we have to have the pieces in place, because i think that one of the problems that we have is that if you have an officer with repeated challenges, how do you interdict, and are there changes that need to happen? that is what the commission is going to be looking into. >> i have a couple of questios s here.
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and what are you looking for in an superintendent, is it an outsider or african-american or what do you need to restore that confidence? >> well, fran, the police board will make a series of recommendation, and so i will let the police board start their work in looking for the permanent leader to the police department, but john escalante is going to step in. i want somebody who will step in for the good of the public safety and put in the building blocks, to restore, and the trust that we want to see in the city of chicago, and have a record of in the police department of invigorating the type of not only commitment to refresh professionalism, but the commitment that i want to see to make the changes necessary to not only lead the department, but the changes in the department to achieve the results that we want. >> do you not have any responsibility in driving the reforms of the police department until today? >> bill, bill -- i bill -- i
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asked -- >> you are taking steps, but you are here today announcing this. >> okay, yes. >> and can you talk about the -- >> okay. first, okay. let me try to do all four of these. one, as i said, i said it in the remarks. i'm responsible. i don't shirk that responsibility. i have taken certain steps prior to that date, and to this day, and it is a work in prodepress, and not the end of the problem, but a beginning of the solution to the the problem. i got you, maryann, and let me just try to the this with it, and let me say it to you again, and i could pit on page 10, i take responsibility and none of us are above it. fran, i'm not looking for a type, but a professional who can lead the department and have a robust record of bringing public safety, and this is one of the areas. >> a deval patrick, and he has
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not been living here for many, many year, and most would not agree with you, because he is from massachusetts now, and why not a chicagoan lead up this task force? >> what a shock. two things, one he is from chicago. oka okay. >> a long time the ago. >> yes, and he is a chicagoan but a background of heading the the civil rights of the justice department, and former governor and he is not leading it, but adviser to the commission, and he is from chicago like all of the other five who will be doing the day in/day out work. >> and what about paris, is it going to you and is it a tax-payer funded trip or will you security? >> i have not made a decision yet whether i will be doing. what is that? >> you had planned to go, and all week your staff said the that you will be going, and have
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you changed your mind? >> well, i have not made a e decision, because i happy to think that the mission of climate work is very important, and i have serious work here, and so i have not made a decision. >> and what about the march that political considerations played a role in the delaying the decision that, the settlement or having the settlement while you were engaged in a tight race, and the video was not released while you were trying to run for re-election, and can you address those concern, and is there anything that you have to do to regain trust. >> again, i said it in the remarkings, and i will repeat it. i have a lot of work to do in that and some days are bert than others that we have as building the trust of the city and as the the mayor and the fidelity that we have a strong chicago. i will answer all of the first five questions. hold on.
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second as i know that steve and the office has worked there tu time line, but this is sell -- this is relevant. the family came forward on the 25th of january, and within a short time it was taken to city counc council, and even though the criminal investigation of the state's attorney's office is ongoi ongoing, and the attorney rights office was continuing the investigation. we had e reached a conclusion, and the relation to the video, i have asked the commission, and i will repeat, that i have said for a long time, that on upon the completion of the investigation, the video would be made public, and that is what happens four hours after the completion of that investigation. and this is a prak the tis along with across the country, you don't release information that
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would hinder, taint or cause that the investigation not to be complete. so in the integrity of the investigation, you have two principles in conflict. so i have asked the commission to ask some core questions, should we continue the practice of the default, and should it be the responsibility not of the city, but of the investigatory entity, and the last series of questions to update the protocol that nobody has updated and other countries across the country who have that protocol are asking core questions. we have to do it. >> mr. mayor, how can you build truth and transparency when the tapes seem to be edited? what about the missi in ing aud tap
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tape? >> well, it goes to the first point, and let me repete it. there were three elements here. there was a civil settlement, a criminal investigation that is now charges have been brought, and there's an ongoing u.s. attorney/fbi investigation. questions like this exist to the burger king, and the conduct at that point by the police department, and other actions that the police department took afterwards, and all of that is being looked at by the justice department. when you say that, i would say that there are three separate distinct part, and one is civil, one is criminal, and one is civil rights otherwise, so what you are asking is totally legitimate. they will will have the answers to those questions. >> have you and your office become a distraction? >> i am responsible to the public to do the job of doing the job as mayor and you earn that trust everyday.
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>> have you seen the video? >> yes. >> and excuse me, mr. mccarthy had become a distraction, and there are a lot of questions in the room about you and your office. have you become a distraction as well? >> well, you will make that judgment, and try i to do my job everyday and do it in a professional way. >> mr. mayor, can you tell us the racial makeup of the task force? >> well, you have all of the pictures, but i will go through. laura lightfoot is african-american woman, and you know her background as a former prosecutor. randolph stone is african-american. there's also a hispanic individual. joe ferguson who is obviously caucasian. and then there's hiram who is also hispanic. >> and there is academics from
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the university of chicago, yale, and there has been a federal judge from "the thin blue line" and what are they studying here? rule 14 when you talk about the lives that are not punish and mis misdemeanor that is violent, and you are a guy that et goes stuff done, and why can't you get it done like passing the budget or like you did with cps, and we are not talking about fatal shootings. i respectfully disagree with the analogy, because passing the budget or doing things at the chicago public schools is not the same as dealing with pro protocols and culture and earning the trust and confidence of the public in the police department and the oversight, and the accountability that exists in the police department. you are right at one level.
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there have -- there is a lot of work. and one thing that i want to repeat. we are not unique of dealing with the issue of confidence and trust of communities of color in the city of chicago with the police department. we do, like other cities, new york or other cities, baltimore or ferguson, missouri, or minneapolis or cleveland have something unique to our city. that why the five people i put together have worked on this, and on this subject and the question, hit the ground running, because they have years of work. in dressing and giving us a blueprint that could in my view sustain of giving a sustained level of change to to a systemic set of challenges that exist. and so that is what their job is. chicago mayor rahm are emanuel abruptly turning and leaving afielding some very tough questions that you might
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call that officially having to squirm on national television. a very tough press corp questioning the mayor of chicago after he announced a couple of very important things in that city. number one, first and foremost and even though it was not first and foremost in the news conference, he has asked for the resignation of the superintendent of the police force in chicago garry mckcarth, and he has established a task force to look into the issues that are plaguing that city right now. the death of a young 17-year-old man being in the street after fired on 16 time, and he was holding a knife, and the officer with a gun, and the officer is charged with first-degree murder. a couple of things to note in the press conference, rahm emanuel the mayor of chicago say th says that he has the confidence in the work and the results of the chicago police superintendent. he said that we have to build trust and the confidence of the
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public, and that is the superintendent is an issue, and distraction. he are also says that he has a loyalty to him sh, but he has a bigger loyalty to the chicago community, and that is why he asked for the resignation of the chicago superintendent. one thing that he did not say is if the superintendent accepted it. i want to bring in ryan young who is our chicago correspondent and getting some information from our cnn analyst cedric lewis. and ryan young, that is a tough press conference, and those reporters were having a field day asking rahm emanuel, himself, if the police superintendent has become a distr distraction, what does that make you? walk me through what we have just learned.
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sflr well, those questions are sentiments of the people out here marching, and they feel that the mayor is not speaking for their voice, and they want him to go after it harder, and want to know when he saw the video for the first time the, and if you woke up in chicago today, and got the "sun times" this is the article that said that gar ri -- garry mccarthy needs to go. and so there rr questions that have nothing to do with this superintendent, but a longstanding background in the city where there is a mistrust between the community and the workforce. i was recently in a barbershop, my bash ber shop, and people were joking about the time they had been beaten by the police officers, and so you have a understanding that people don't trust the police force but they need them, because of the
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violence in the city. and he was asked why he didn't fire him sooner, and you could hear the frustration, because people want to have a table to talk about the events in this community, and they are not having it, and that is why people are marching up and down michigan avenue, and voicing their opinions, and people in tears with the idea that a young man could be shot 16 times, and the video held for months without any action, and then dominos with all of this happening, and coincides with this, and there are a lot of people upset with the mayor. and don't forget that he was in a run off and people are pointing to that office and w wondering what is going on up there. >> and cedric alexander, if you could in. it is fortunate to have your voice today both as the president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives burk also
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as a former police chief yourself. you heard what ryan young has said. chicago has been plagued with violence, hundreds of deaths, crime in the street, and there is a palpable need for an ending of the scourge, and they are saying back off of the policing when you have a possible wrong guy. so is this a win situation regardless of the fresh eyes that you bring in? >> well, it is tough for any chief particularly in this k country to be in, because you are trying to balance the good policing and the community trust, and oftentimes as well, too, where we have very tough communities are playinged with crime, and officers have to go in and often times in very tough communities they may have to engage in an event that ends up in someone losing their life.
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this case with mr. mcdonald is inexcusable as far as i am concerned. let me say that publicly. it was a very bad optic and looked horrible, and no way justifiab justifiable, and most americans looking at the that video would say that, but chicago has a much larger prob em l and systleprob problem, and for the mayor to let go of the police chief there he had to make a decision, and i'm sure that he had to think deeply on it, and it goes beyond superintendent mccarthy, because if fact that it took 400 days for this information to be exposed with a court order, and in addition to that, at the course of this investigation, and in chicago, if i'm not mistaken, they have independent civilian investigators who do police shootings, and so who all saw this video, and at what point did the state attorney there see it and had to say,
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wait, hold on a minute, will is something wrong in this video. that doesn't take 400 days to do. and that doesn't take that type of investigation, and so the questions that are being raised by the public are very fair questions, because the mayor is going to have to do more than just fire mccarthy quite frankly. he has to answer some tough questions himself politically, and also the state attorney who nobody has mentioned here the today, she has to answer some tough questions, too. and chicago is a tough city and has real problems, but looking ak cross the city, many of the cities, small, large, mediocre size have the same challenges, but we have to find a way to balance good policing with community corporation as well playing a part in their own public safety the. and one other thing, as well, ashleigh, in terms of the task force that the mayor has put into place. in may of this year, president obama exposed to the country,
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the 21st century task force report. if you go to the report, it has six pillars, and it covers accountability, procedural justice, and covers everything that the mayor is talking about. you don't need to reinvent the wheel, but what you need to do is to pick up the 21st century task report, and go through it and look at the 59 recommendations, and see what is relevant to your community there in chicago, and make use of it. it is wonderful to put together the selective and the reputable panel together, and that is great, but what i would encourage them to do is to look at the 21st century task force report, and in illinois, you have shawn smoot who is the chief council for police benevolent there in the state of illinois who has done a fantastic job on that panel that i served with him on. and great resource along with tracy meres who is a full
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professor at yale and spent time at the university of chicago, and she knows people there, and people who served on the task force that could be helpful to them in moving and advancing law enforcement right there in chicago. >> and you being so intimately involved in the process, i want to keep you after the break, if i can, chief alexander, because i want to ask you about the succession of the police chiefs over the last year or two. this is not the names, but we have seen those falling with what is similar to what is happening in chicago. and we want to ask you about, that and ryan, young we want you to keep an eye in chicago after that bombshell announcement from the chicago mayor rahm emanuel that he has asked for the resignation of the superintendent of police garry mccarty in that city. coming up after the break, i will be joined live by the nam
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welcome back, everyone. we have been following the breaking news out of chicago. the mayor is taking to the live airwave as short time the ago to announce that he has requested the are resignation of his superintendent of police in that city garry mccarthy. all of this is following the 17-year-old shot to death by a police officer, the 17-year-old armed with a knife.
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the police officer was armed with a gun, and the video that has been seen over and over and over again, but not before 400 days passed between the death of that young man laquan mcdonald and the arrest and the charging of jason van dyke, the officer. and i am joined live now from baltimore by the president of the naacp cornell brooks, and back with us live from atlanta cnn law enforcement analyst, and former chief himself of a police force cedric alexander, and also part of the president's task force on the 21st century polici policing, and welcome the both of you. cornell, if i could begin with, you and you have heard as you were standing by and ready to go live that this is the announcement paed by the chicago mayor rahm emanuel, and he cited need for trust and transparency for the reason of asking for that resignation, but he said that he was not displeased with the job that garry mccarthy was
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doing. so is this enough of a step to help the the community to move away are from the violence, and the frustration that has been seen and might be seen in the future? >> it is a step forward, but we have to be clear, a change in personalities and leadership atop the chicago police department is necessary, but it is not sufficient. the problem is longstanding. we have a police department that operated its own domestic guantanamo in terms of a base that people's rights were violated and we have generational police misconduct, and police brutality, and a climate and culture of policing that the bridges one of america's greatest cities, it is necessary, but not sufficient to have a change in leadership. we need far more than that. this task force is again, a good step in the right direction,
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necessary but not sufficient. and governor deval patrick is someone i have known since my d days at the justice department where he served as the nation's chief law enforcement officer with respect to civil rights, good. but not sufficient. because those recommendations can only validate what is long known and as the chief has lifted up previously, many of the recommendations are likely to come forward are already in the president's 21st century police task force report. they are there. and we know from the scholarship of tracy meres what constitutes a good police department, and practicing good policing, but the point here is that the answers are long known, and the question is long known, and our challenge is having a mayor, and having a police department willing to match the answers to the questions, and the questions
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before us right now is will we have a police department that is accountable, and has transparency and operates with integrity and treats the citizens of chicago with respect and dig nity and understands profoundly that black lives matter and certainly all lives matter, and certainly the life of a 17-year-old young man. >> to that end, cedric alexander, jump in, because before we went to break, i asked you about police chief after police chief being asked to standdown and thinking back to stford, florida, ferguson, missouri, and baltimore, and now chicago, and are these the effective ways of dealing with the problems or the baby with the bathwater as some critics say or the sacrificial lamb or
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will these changes make what the cities are looking for? >> well, each of the cases have similarities, but differences as well, too. and it is tough to be a chief anywhere in america in any city, and it is a tough job, and particularly the scrutiny that the police departments are coming up under, because here again, as i stated earlier, ashleigh, when you are trying to balance good public safety along with communities that are challenged for a variety of reasons, economically, lack of education, you name it, it certainly is going to make it, and the communities that are asking for the most police servi service, and those are the communities where oftentimes you will have an engagement which is going to be creating some controversy in those cases. each city is different in that regard. the important thing to remember is this, right now at this moment, chicago police department must function as a police department.
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it still has to provide good public safety, and in light of what has occurred, i believe that police department is going to go out there to do their job everyday and we have to hold them up still, because they still provide the police service in that community, and in addition that community is willed to, and i think that mr. brooks would agree, they have to be able to support the police department as we go through the turbulent point in the city. because there is a lot of things systemically, historically that has to be addressed in that city, but to just say it is this chief's fault, and the problem is over, i agree with mr. brooks, that is just the beginning. and because other people have to be looked at, and anyone who had their fingerprint, ashleigh, on having knowledge of this video being there and did not take any responsibility to put it out there for the public are just as
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responsible as they are accusing mccarthy to be. >> and there is a lot of people, because there is a list of people. >> yes, absolutely, a lot of people. >> and if transparency goal, they have to be scrutinized heavily. and cornell brook, dovetail for me on the notion that cedric alexander talked about the challenge that communities face and i don't have to explain to anybody least of all you who was just arrested after protesting what happened to laquan mcdonald yesterday in chicago. i am showing the photograph of the tweet that you sent out of you and your colleagues basically in the police van having been arrested. >> yes. >> the question i have is there is an effect that has been dubbed the ferguson effect. many people are arguing over whether it is real or whether it isn't, but it is cited by executives as high as colleagues of president obama in the highest levels of the federal government as being real and as being a problem. the problem being that the
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police officers are pulling back out of fear that they are the next officer who becomes the poster child for excessive force, et cetera, and causes a city to divulge into chaos. in a city like chicago, they cannot afford the ferguson effect, because it is a city in this nation that cannot afford a ferguson effect, but what has happened today, is there any chance that this could actually cause a very strong ferguson effect in chicago? >> well, first of all, most criminalologist in the country don't stand behind the ferguson effect to establish that it is operational, but this is what we know, that there is a police misconduct effect. when police officers engage in misconduct, and brutal iize the lives and the well-being and the bodies of the citizenry that they are charged with protect g
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protecting, the people are less likely to mparticipate in the safety of their community, andless liand l andless likely to come forward as witnesses. and what we know is when the police department treats the citizenry with trust, they will be coming forward to help with testimony and witnesses to ensure that the police officers are in fact safer. so we can count on the very people that are in the streets of chicago demonstrating for justice and count on those same people to work with the police departments to ensure that their neighborhoods are well patrolled and protected, but we have to be clear here sh, the police department has to operate with integrity, and that means being hone honest, being transparent, and treating people with a sense of dignity, and if you do those things, you will engage people
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in the act of public safety and protection. we know this, because scholars have attested to it, and we know it in terms of the experience and from the president's own 21st century policing report, and the work of the naacp in its report titled "in war and suspect." >> cornell brooks, thank you so much for taking the time, and we appreciate it as you have had a very busy couple of days, and thank you so much, alexander, for coming on and we welcome you any time. and now, who is going to deserve who needs to be behind bars or out on the streets as they await their ultimate trial?
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he is charged with first-degree murder after firing 116 shots at a 17-year-old boy, and now the chicago police officer jason van dyke is out on bond. here he is leaving his imprisonment for six days. the judge set his bail at $1.5 million, and he met it. that allowed him to go home to his family, his wife and two children. up for the legal view on this, i want to bring in mel robbins and cnn legal analyst danny cevallos, and i want to bring in the news today, because it is a public, you could call it a firing, but a calling for the resignation of the police superintendent specifically about this case and the cover-up of this case, and danny, does that taint the jury pool,
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because baltimore is picking a jury pool right now, and all of of them are asking about the settlement in the case, and they know about it, and there is a settlement in this case, too. >> the mere fact that the potential juror is aware of some publicity or fact in the news is not enough to render the juror incapable of serving on the jury, and instead, the test is whether or not despite the fodge they have if they can base the verdict on the facts of the trial, and ignore the facts out of the trial. it is difficult, because it allows us to be aware of our own biases, and frankly, we are not always aware of our own subtle buys yas, and the mere fact that a juror may be aware of the settlement or the police chief asked to step down, and it might affect it, but it is not a per se bar. >> and i think that you will get a jury, however, by the time
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they get to trial, the case is going to be so focused of the moments before the shooting and at the moment of the shooting, it is not relevant around the settleme settlement, but they will be focused on the moment. >> and is it mitigated by the bond, and apparently not so dangerous, and a flight risk? >> he is not a flight risk, because he has never been arrested. >> and michael flander was not let out, and he is facing first-degree? >> well, this is the case that all people are bailable unless the imprison is to preserve life. if the evidence could show that he should be let out, because there is no evidence that he did it, maybe he is entitled to bail, and in illinois the penalty for first de gree mu-de is 20-26 years, and not automatic life enhancement.
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>> well story, leave it there, and you know that wolf blitzer is coming up next, and i'm not about to walk over his hour. i want to turn the helm over to i want to turn the helm over to wolf, and he begins right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello, i'm wolf blitz er an it is 1:00 p.m. in washington and 7p:00 p.m. in paris and 9:00 p.m. in baghdad and wherever you are watching around the world, thank you very much for joining us. >> this is cnn breaking news. day, lot of news happening tout let's get to the breaking news out of chicago. first, the the mayor are there rahm emanuel has fired the city's police superintendent garry mccarthy and the move come comes after a week of protests of the city's handling of the shooting of a black teenager laquan mcdonald by a white police officer. >> after this weekend, and effectively handling both the

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