tv Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer CNN December 2, 2015 2:00pm-4:01pm PST
i'll now have dave, assistant director of the fbi say a few words. >> thank you, sheriff. the fbi is here with our state and local partners as well as our partners from the atf. and we are here to essentially treat the -- assure that all the wounded are extracted and ultimately public safety is the number one goal at this point. and we will work as a law enforcement community to assure that we have done everything we can in our power to find, locate and apprehend these subjects. at this point i know one of your questions is going to be is this a terrorist incident. i will tell you right now we do not know if this is a terrorist incident. so we start from the beginning. working with our local partners we take the presumption it may be, it may not be, we will work hand in hand with them from the beginning. if things change we are here from the get-go and no steps lost as the investigation proceeds. at this point i'm going to turn it back over to the chief.
>> so very quickly after the initial response we have several hundred people that were in the building that are not injured. those people have been taken to a location and part of the investigation. in addition to that we know this is a human incident and this is a tragedy. and we know we have a lot of folks very concerned and worried about loved ones that may have been at that facility today. we've set up an area at the hernandez center at the corner of third and sierra way here in the city of san bernardino for family members to go for information. we will push information out to that for those family members as we can. also, the sheriff's department put out the crime tip hot line number. if anybody has any information, we'd very much like to hear from you. so with that i will take a couple questions. start with rob. [ inaudible question ] >> i don't. i've heard everything it was a meeting to potential like lunch type gathering maybe for the
holidays. that's not confirmed. that is very preliminary. it's my understanding that most of the people that were wounded, most of the victims were all centrally located in one area of the facility. [ inaudible question ] >> in terms of the employees it's my understanding this facility has both state and county employees as well as folks that work for a number of organizations. the inland regional center serves a number of organizations that treat mental illness type issues and that sort of stuff. i don't have -- i know that state and local county employees work there. i do not know if any of them are the victims or who they are at this point. [ inaudible question ] >> i do not have any information that any children were involved. [ inaudible question ] >> -- characterize this as an organized event, what were these men using and shooting at people with? >> preliminary investigation
indicates these are people prepared, dressed and equipped in a way to indicate they were prepared and armed with long guns, not handguns. i do not know what type. [ inaudible question ] >> i don't know. we do not have any weapons recovered at this point. [ inaudible question [ inaudible question ] >> sorry. >> clarification, upwards of 14 dead? what does upwards mean? >> the preliminary number we have right now is that there are 14 people that are deceased. and our count is another 14 people that have been taken to various hospitals for significant injuries, potentially related to gunshots. we also have a number of other people that may have had some minor types of injuries, they fell down in the course of fleeing or something of that nature. but roughly abo 14 that we believe are wounded. [ inaudible question ] >> -- video evidence of what happened? >> i would imagine there are but we're not that far into the investigation yet.
[ inaudible question ] >> the dibuilding is still bein searched. is there the possibility -- [ inaudible question ] >> i think that that could be a possibility, yes. i don't think we're comfortable saying no at this point. >> have the bomb technicians recovered anything which look more like an ied? >> as the teams were going through and searching for the suspects and searching for victims, there were some things in the building that were not immediately identifiable that caused them some concern. as a result of that we do have some bomb techs that are on site that are checking some of that out. i do not know if they were brought in by the suspects. we do not know if they are bombs of any sort. just simply things that as our teams were moving through said that needs to be looked at more closely. >> they haven't taken anything apart or destroyed -- >> i don't have information on that. [ inaudible question ] >> have you found any vehicles related to this? >> not that i know of at this
point. >> witnesses said the gunmen said anything -- >> we don't have anything specific from those witnesses. we're in the early stages of talking to them. this is the only active scene that we're working. >> what about security tape that may have been shot inside? >> that is part of the investigation. i just don't have that at this point. >> can you talk about the suspects' vehicle darker suv? >> that's all we have. very generic. upwards of three suspects. darker suv that fled. >> suspects wearing camouflage? >> i never heard camouflaged. >> what were they wearing? [ inaudible question ] >> i have repeatedly been told the number is three. but keep in mind that this is information that is flowing in as people are talking to witnesses very quickly. as we put everything together some of this may change. we know these are fluid situations and some of the information we put out now may change a little bit in the future.
we're doing everything we can to keep these people safe. we're addressing other issues in the area that we think may be similar. but we don't have any information or any credible threats to any other facilities at this point. but obviously we're all on a heightened sense of alert. we ask the public they be on a heightened sense of alert that they watch out for those things. and if they come across information, contact us and let us investigate. [ inaudible question ] >> i've put out what i have. [ inaudible question ] >> one report i heard is masks were involved, but i don't know that to be definitive at this point. >> do you have any active leads you're pursuing right now? >> yes. not going to talk about it. >> did the gunmen say anything at all during the attack, during the shootings? >> not that i'm aware of. >> any sort of threats made prior to? >> that's part of the investigation. we're not going to talk specifically about that right now. [ inaudible question ] >> i just want to say thank you to you, all the fire chiefs and
everything you guys' response, i appreciate that. >> thank you very much. a few minutes. [ inaudible question ] >> well, our people in the field go into the field with what they have. we have a number of officers with high caliber weapons, they carry assault rifles with them. most of the officers carry handguns. the officers that arrived on scene and did the initial work to go into that building and clear it went in with what they had. [ inaudible question ] >> we do not know where the suspects are. >> how is the fbi going to get involved in this? is there somebody, a representative, maybe they want to talk in detail. >> well, we know historically that some of these investigations can turn into a potential federal prosecution type thing. at this point we don't know that to be the case, but it's better to have them on scene from the very beginning so they know what we know and they are an active
part of the information. in addition to that being from the federal government they bring to the table tremendous resources to help us in doing our job. we have no -- we have no information at this point to indicate that this is terrorist related in the traditional sense that people may be thinking. obviously at minimum we have a domestic terrorist type situation that occurred here. [ inaudible question ] >> we don't. [ inaudible question ] >> the only thing i'm comfortable saying at this point is that the information we have is that they came prepared to do what they did as if they were on a mission. >> how long were they inside shooting? >> i don't know specifically. several minutes. >> were the gunmen still there when the police arrived? >> we don't know. our police officers have not engaged or exchanged gunfire with anybody but we don't know if they were on scene when they arrived.
>> i don't know if you've covered this or not, were the vast majority of the dead and wounded in one centralized location? >> yes. in the same general area of the facility. >> i'm sorry if it's an assumption here, chief, that they had targeted that particular room, those particular people? >> i think we're a little too early in the investigation to make that assumption. we don't know what the motive is at this point. >> did they take hostages at any time? were people tied up and held in a room and told it was a shootout? >> we don't have any information that they took any hostages. >> what kinds of weapons do you use? could you describe what types of weapons they used? >> long guns is what i've been told. i think there's people that speculate what type of long guns those are. but i don't want to put out a specific type of gun. i'm just going to say it was a long gun and not a handgun. >> what made it seem like they were on a mission? >> they came in with a purpose. they came in with the intent to do something. >> was there any threat made to this facility prior to this incident? >> i don't have specifics on that. so with that we're going to cut
this off. we will be back every hour on the hour to provide an update even if we don't have anything specifically, we will come back to you every hour on the hour at least for the next several hours to provide an update. >> at the top of the hour? >> at the top of the hour is fine. jarrod burguan. >> i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." this is cnn's live breaking news coverage of the manhunt for as many as three gunmen who opened fire inside a center for developmentally disabled people. you've been just watching the news conference in san bernardino, california. that's about 60 miles east of los angeles, about an hour's drive or so. here's what we know right now based on what we just heard from the san bernardino sheriff. law enforcement agencies across southern california they are on the look out right now for up to three men suspected in this mass shooting at a center serving the disabled. police have just revealed you
just heard the sheriff say at least 14 people have been killed and at least 14 others have been injured. we don't know the extent of those injuries. a law enforcement official tells cnn that witnesses saw the suspects flee the shooting in a black suv style vehicle. the sheriff says it was a dark suv that was seen leaving the scene. they're believed to be armed with long guns, perhaps ak-47 type rifles and possibly other automatic weapons. the sheriff said no weapons were discovered on the scene. the official says police officers with heavy weapons are being dispatched to nearby universities, hospitals, other sites, government areas, local, state areas that could potentially be vulnerable. right now the building is still being evacuated. it's a large complex. police are combing the facility going from room to room. jim sciutto's our chief national security correspondent. it's interesting the police chief in this case says they don't know if it's terrorist, may or may not be terrorist.
the fbi representative on the scene said exactly the same thing. they don't have a motive right now. they're looking for three men in a dark colored suv on the road some place. >> that's right. these are the key details that the sheriff just confirmed there. one to three shooters, the possibility of multiple shooters, long weapons, not handguns. didn't specify what kinds of long guns, tactical or military style clothing, possibility of masks. the fact they then escaped. and finally the target, a holiday a party with government personnel there. adding all those signs together and you heard the sheriff say it there himself that they came here prepared. and law enforcement and counter terror officials have been telling me in the last couple of hours as they looked at each of these details, the multiple shooters, kinds of weapons, target chosen, that this does not look like a crime of passion, that this was a planned shooting. it was a pre-planned shooting with perhaps a target in mind, preparations taken to carry out that shooting.
no one knows the motive at this point. no one is saying and just as you heard from the terrorism no official i've spoken to said no one knows. at a minimum it's a domestic type terror situation because at the end of the day that's what terrorism is. someone carried out an act of violence and has multiple victims, upwards of 14 as he said here, but again, we don't know is that international style, is it domestic? telling perhaps that these were government workers at a holiday party that gives a clue, but again, they don't have a hard indication. but the key thing is all signs that this was a prepared attack. and this also speaks to the continuing threat because they got away. and they're still armed. still clearly very concerned. >> there are obviously a huge manhunt underway. tom fuentes, law enforcement analyst, former fbi assistant, coming in perhaps body armor, maybe masks, they escaped in
perhaps a dark colored suv, what does that say about potential motive what was going on? >> well, to me it says that it's an anti-government operation. probably a militia type group or w wanna-be. most of the international terrorism attacks we've seen is suicide mission. they don't protect themselves with body armor. if anything they wear vests. they tend to die at the scene or shoot it out at the scene. they make no effort usually to escape. in this case they escaped. whether they're in that dark colored suv or some other vehicle, apparently they're not at the scene so they've gotten away. >> and art roderick is with us as well. he's one of our law enforcement analysts, former deputy assistant director of the u.s. marshals office. based on what you heard from the sheriff. based on what you heard from the county sheriff as well as the fbi representative on the scene, what do you think? >> well, i think the planning is the key part here. obviously when they did this planning they planned to escape
because they got away fairly quickly. i also think it's interesting that the 14 people that are confirmed dead at this point were all in one location. so they hit quickly, did what they had to do and leave. if they wanted to stay around and have more casualties, the fire alarm got pulled, a lot of people coming out of that building could have taken out a lot more people. but i think as part of their planning they had a short period of time on the ground and then got away. >> so they went in there for whatever reason and we have no idea what their motive might have been. they went in there heavily armed, three individuals perhaps. and they were obviously aiming to kill as many people as possible. the sheriff says 14 dead, 14 injured. >> exactly. and then to get out of there as quick as they could, get in the vehicle and make good their escape. >> and there were other people in that complex. there may have been several hundred people, tom fuentes, if they wanted to stay and kill more people, presumably they could have. >> absolutely. if you have three people with long guns and magazines that have 30 rounds a piece, fire at a rate of 700 rounds a minute,
they could have killed everybody in that room. apparently there's no other law enforcement or security at that facility within that building. so this could have been just a massive slaughter. it's bad enough as it is, but it could have been much worse if they intended to stay and just shoot it out until the end. >> they had protective gear in addition to being well armed. >> that's right. one thing to keep in mind as well we don't know for sure it was multiple shooters but police operating under that -- >> they keep saying upwards of three. >> and that's coming from eyewitnesses. since 2000 the fbi came out with a report just a short time ago of active shooter situations in the u.s. since the year 2000 there have been 160 in the u.s. all but two of them involve just a single shooter. so two out of 160 involved more than one shooter. that's a rare set of circumstances, if it turns out this was multiple shooters. that adds to the sense this was planning, they were prepared for something and then presents a
whole list of possibilities including the ideas as you both mentioned of domestic terrorism. >> hold on, guys, joining us on the phone right now sandy wood. she works at the center for the blind in this area at the inland regional center. you heard the shooting, sandy, is that what you can tell us? >> yes, yes, i did. i did hear the gunshots ring out. it was about 11:17 a.m. this morning. i'm here at the inland empire lighthouse for the blind school, which is across the street from the inland regional center. i immediately called 911 and reported i heard shots fired. i got away from the windows, i announced to the school here to lock the facility down. and our doors were locked. pretty soon there were some people fleeing from the building across the street. three of those folks came to our building. and we sheltered them in here. and things just began to unfold
after that. and we are all safe here at the lighthouse for the blind. there's about 60 of us here in this building. no one can leave and no one can enter. >> so police are telling you just to stay put. you're in a lockdown situation, is that right? >> that's correct. >> how are you doing, by the way? >> well, everybody's nervous, upset. the phone's ringing off the hook. i want all the family members of the blind students that are here at the school to know that everyone is safe. we have mainly adults here. there's about 60 folks here in our school today. and i just want everyone to know that all of us are here safe. and we're not allowed to leave. >> how many shots did you hear, sandy? >> i heard maybe 25 to 30 rounds of fire. and then it stopped. and it started again. it was quite loud. i would say this whole incident was maybe 300 feet away from this building. >> and the shots that you heard,
did they last for a minute, five minutes, ten minutes? how long did you hear those -- how long were those noises from the guns going on? >> it seemed like it was five to eight minutes. >> five to eight minutes, you kept hearing shots going off, is that what you're saying? >> yes, yes, yes. >> and you immediately knew if these were gunshots? >> yes, i did. it sounded like assault rifles. >> were the people you were with children? were they adults? >> adults. >> and how are they doing? >> all adults here. >> how are they dealing with it? >> they're fine. we got our lunch together here. they were served lunch. everybody was able to partake in that. and now we're waiting to hear from the s.w.a.t. team and the police presence which is quite large around this facility. for that it will be safe to leave. so i'm waiting to get word. >> and, sandy, this center for
the blind it's affiliated, i take it, with the inland regional center even though it's across the street, is that right? >> no, sir. no, sir. >> no. >> it is not. we are the inland empire lighthouse for the blind school. there's no affiliation with the inland regional center. >> all right. sandy wood, thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. good luck to you. good luck to all the people you're with over there. we really appreciate it. we're going to stay on top of this story. i want to stay in san bernardino right now. national kernt kyung lah is on the scene for us. kyung, tell us where you are, what you're seeing and what you're hear sng. >> i'm not too far away from that witness you were speaking to. this is a business district. i'm standing right next to a hotel and i want you to look to my right. you can see a number of -- road is empty right now but just saw police cars zoom by. there's a golf course just beyond that fence. it is at that golf course where the people who were inside the irc are being taken, they're being brought out and they're
being interviewed by the police. the area that i'm standing in right now the people we're talking to they're mainly communicating with their relatives via text message. they're trying to get them on their cell phones. we're hearing piecemeal stories about what they witnessed. the center itself i'm going to have you look all the way down the street right here. you can see there are a number of suvs, a number of police vehicles. we've seen agencies from the fbi to the atf, the sheriff's department and the local police. they have been trying to work together and trying to piece together everything inside the building while there is still an active manhunt going on. the manhunt has led to the closure, wolf, of some of these courthouses. there's still a high level of concern about exactly where these men are. >> so the suspicion, kyung, is perhaps the shooters had some grievance with the state or local government there in the area where you are as a result out of an abundance of caution they're shutting down, sealing
off, closing off other government buildings like courthouses, police stations, universities, buildings like that? >> yeah, because they don't know what the motive is. they don't know what led to this. that's part of this investigation. wolf, i was talking about some of the people who we're speaking with out here who are communicating with their relatives via text message. one gentleman i spoke with i understand we may have this video. this is cell phone video from a woman who was inside the building during the shooting. she was a bit of a distance away from where the shots were being fired, but you can see the first officers arriving here. there was a massive police response. it wasn't just local police officers, the county sheriffs you can see the various uniforms were immediately on scene. and meanwhile all of the people inside the building describe how they're using all the furniture to block doors, trying to remain
calm while they're seeing the officers rushing into their building, wolf. >> i want you to standby because we're getting more information, more video, more eyewitnesses sharing their thoughts, their experiences of what's happened over the past few hours. it's only about 2:22, 2:23 p.m. out on the west coast pacific time 5:23 here on the east coast. so it's mid afternoon over there in california. tom fuentes, as we watch what's going on right now, and you just heard kyung lah's report there's a massive manhunt underway for these three suspects, at least three suspects who were seen leaving in what the sheriff calls a dark colored suv. describe how a manhunt like this and a huge area around san bernardino, about 60 miles east of los angeles what this may entail as they're looking for these three suspects in this suv? >> well, they would have put that information out to all patrol officers from the california highway patrol to the county sheriffs offices, local municipal offices to be on the look out for that. but, you know, with the amount
of time that's passed, the odds of them being still in that vehicle would be pretty slim. >> when you say that, would they dump the vehicle? try to steal another vehicle? >> they could have a second vehicle. if this was that well planned they would have used that vehicle as the getaway, bank robbers get a mile away, have a second vehicle parked ready to go. get in that and drive off at their leisure. with no description of that going out especially if it was in a place where nobody could look out the window and see it. so i would expect we're going to probably find that black vehicle abandoned somewhere if it was in fact involved in this situation. >> at least 14 people according to the sheriff there in san bernardino killed, at least 14 people injured presumably all in hospitals right now. art roderick, this looks like a pretty planned operation, not simply some random individual going in there starting to fire -- starting to kill people. >> as sad as it is to say this seems to be a lot more different than the last five or six different active shooter scenarios that we've seen.
the interesting thing about this is, yes, it was planned. to me it's the multiple shooters. it's very difficult to have a conspiracy like that go on. so this is why i'm thinking it's very organized. they not only had logistics involved with the vehicle, the weapons, the body armor, if that's all true, but also had a fairly good escape plan to add onto what tom said i'm sure they've already changed vehicles out now. that information probably would have been blasted on the amber alert billboards, would have gone out apb, i'm sure all over the news in southern california. and i know you've got a lot of law enforcement coming from l.a. too involved in this particular manhunt. >> and you heard the witness across the street say she heard shots, a lot of shots, maybe for as long as five minutes. that was her guess. it may have seemed like five minutes. could have been shorter, could have been longer, but you can really kill a lot of people if you're firing a long gun, an ak-47 type weapon within five minutes in a crowded building like that. >> absolutely. it sounds like she was there and heard the reload.
because there was delay and then the next volley of fire. so they were probably reloading weapons if she heard 25 to 30 shots. >> terrifying moment indeed. jim, you're getting some more information. jim sciutto's with us as well. >> just echo what you were saying just now. the witness who you were speaking to five minutes ago said she heard 25 to 30 shots. and as you said, the possibility of a reload. just to note the ak-47, mentioned in that bolo, be on the look out, they were carrying ak-47 type weapons, a magazine carries 30 shots, also to be fair an ar-15 which is a widely available long gun assault weapon here in the u.s., the magazine also carries 30 rounds. so if the witness is correct you hear that 25, 30 shots, pause, sounds like potential reload. interesting to note that would indicate one shooter, possibly. but again, these are just possibilities out there. but just to be noted that kind of weapon you would empty the magazine with 30 shots.
>> tom fuentes, those kinds of weapons, those kind of long guns as jim says they're readily available, right? >> absolutely. the ar-15 is weapon of choice for most american shooters and gunsmen and militia shooters as well, as opposed to the ak-47 known to be a terrorist weapon kind of been taken over by terrorists all over the world. ar-15, same thing, 30 rounds magazines, fires at 700 rounds a minute if you reload fast enough. and it's a deadly weapon. and that's the weapon we saw at sandy hook elementary. and so many of these other mass shootings it's been the weapon of choice, the ar-15 assault rifle. >> the manhunt underway right now for some three suspects on the loose. 14 people shot and killed. 14 people injured. a man says he received a text message from his daughter inside that facility who saw the shooting begin and went into hiding with other people waiting to be rescued. listen to this. >> has she seen any victims down? >> no.
she hasn't said anything about that. she's -- she's been hiding. >> i imagine you must be really concerned right now. >> your daughter? >> yeah. >> is hiding in there? >> yeah. >> what'd she say to you? she sent you some texts? >> she did. >> what did she say? >> she said, um, shooting at my work, people shot, in the office waiting for cops. >> but she's okay? >> pray for us. >> cedric alexander is joining us as well, he's one of our law enforcement analysts. cedric, this manhunt is underway right now for the three suspects. it's obviously a huge manhunt that's underway, local, state,
federal law enforcement everyone seems to be involved right now. they don't know the motive for this shooting, but 14 people confirmed dead. that from the san bernardino police chief. 14 people injured. i assume you agree this looks like it was a pretty planned operation. >> well, absolutely it looked plan. and i certainly agree with all my colleagues that have been on before me, wolf. this appears to be planned. it appears to be executed. the idea was to get in and get out. they appeared to have done that. it appears also there was very minimal or no security in and around that site where they would meet any resistance, but they were able to get out of there before police got there in which they would have had to engage with. that is clearly suggestive to me this was pretty well planned. >> the sheriff jarrod burguan, cedric, says they're shutting down all the government buildings, courthouses for example in the area, what does that say to you? >> what it says is we're not sure whether they're going to be
moving in and around that area. are they going to move to another site, make another attack? so it's very clever and very smart of law enforcement leadership there to cover those sites, lock those sites down, provide security to those sites that may be potential targets. but it's also important too that community make sure that its eyes and ears for the local police. because if they see anything that's awry, particularly that vehicle, they need to notify the local authority very, very quickly. >> and the fact there may be three shooters involved, cedric, that one individual who may be deranged, may have crazy ideas, may want to commit suicide through the police if you will, the fact that there are three individuals perhaps involved now on the loose escaping in what the sheriff calls a dark suv, that does suggest this is -- they had a specific motive in going after that target at the inland regional center which services the disabled.
>> well, it's clearly reported there by leadership and law enforcement they're not certain whether it's one, two, three subjects involved. regardless of rather it's one or three, they left very significant injured people behind. and if it is three, that is going to be suggestive of a very different kind of planned attack in which we can draw some other theories around through deductive reasoning. if it's one person, it's going to clearly suggest something else as well too. so i still think, wolf, that is still yet to be determined. and i think as the investigation continues to evolve throughout the course of the evening and we are able to gather more information, we probably can draw a little bit clearer idea of what may be the motives have been or what their plan of attack may have been. >> i suspect we'll know a lot more in the coming moments. >> absolutely. >> and the police chief said the san bernardino police chief said at the top of the hour he'll be
briefing reporters again. we'll of course have live coverage of that. we want to talk now to the parents of a woman who was inside the center during the shooting. scott and debra murphy are joining us from san bernardino. they've been waiting to reewe thi -- reunite with their daughter. how are you both doing? have you heard from your daughter? >> she's scared. she's being taken to location and she's safe. so that's really good for us to be able to know that. >> yeah. at least we know that she is safe and so are some of -- most of her co-workers, the ones that she was trapped with when it initially started. >> was your daughter -- scott, your daughter worked there at the inland regional center? >> yes. >> what was her job? >> yes. >> yes. she's a processing clerk. she does some of the case
processing where she's actually writing up -- >> for the babies and toddlers evaluatio evaluations. >> she works there. what's her first name, by the way? >> megan. >> megan. >> all right. you don't want to mention that, but scott and debra, let's talk a little bit about what she told you about the shooting. could you read some of those text messages you received from your daughter when the shooting was actually happening? >> yes. i actually can. this is the way i was introduced to this today was, emergency situation at my work. active shooter on site. we're all locked in offices and on the floor. please pray for us. so as a parent, as a father, you know, that's kind of like the worst thing that you can have come across your phone. then it was followed a couple minutes later with the s.w.a.t. team is on site trying to secure
the building. i'm in a tiny room with a bunch of people. we're freaking out. please pray for us. >> she's so scared. she kept saying i'm so scared right now. >> they were trying to keep calm. and i'm not sure that they actually heard the shooting. i think she was up on the second or third floor. so fortunately they had made it into a room and were able to be secured. and then were able to be cleared from the building. and then that's when we've just been texting back and forth and are waiting for her to get out now. >> do you have any idea how long it will take -- sorry for interrupting, debra. >> i would assume that -- >> no, it's fine. i just got a text from her that she said they're going to try to get someone to interview her now because she's really sick. she's dizzy. she's not feeling good. >> it's stressful for all of them in there. so as well as it's stressful for us out here, it's really stressful for them on the inside. hopefully they'll get her processed and we can get her back in our arms. >> it must be an awful
situation. and our heart goes out to you and to your daughter and to everyone else still stuck inside there. did she say that she actually saw the shooters while she was there? >> no. >> no. >> no. >> we didn't talk to her about details just yet. it's just overwhelming, right now, everything. so we don't know real details just yet. i'm so sad for her. all the people. and everyone. >> especially the ones that did lose their lives, we already know -- that was the other thing too. you turn on the news when i catch this and the news was already reporting the deaths and how many there were and how many were injured. and you're not catching -- >> knowing she's still in there that was very scary. >> just very stressful all the way around but more so for them. i just really feel for the other families too. >> of course we all do. >> relief knowing she's okay. while there's relief knowing she's okay, we don't know what
is still going on. that's the scary part, the unknown still. like the whole situation. >> so far, debra, you've only been able to text with her, right? you haven't been able to actually speak with her, is that right? >> right. >> i did speak with her at one point earlier before they knew where they were going to be transferred to. i was able to talk to her and let her know that we were going to meet her over here and that, you know, we were glad she was safe and had made it out. she was still concerned with some of our other friends who at that point weren't out. so that was another concern. >> debra, what's the first thing you're going to tell your daughter when you see her? >> obviously that i love her. >> we love her greatly and glad she's okay. >> i just want to hold her. just want to hug her. get that mom hug, because she also has a daughter that's 4 and she's worried and concerned about. just wants to hug her too, and
be with her. >> well, we're happy she's okay. her friends inside are okay. you'll be reunited with her i'm sure very, very soon. scott murphy, debra murphy, we'll stay in close touch with you. please pass along our best wishes. >> thank you very much. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> san bernardino city councilman joining us on the phone right now. what can you tell us about what's going on, councilman? because we're getting piecemeal information. do you have any new information you can share with us? >> good afternoon, wolf. i serve the san bernardino city district. the inland regional center is located at 1369 south waterman just north of the 10 freeway. very important community service agency in our local economy as well as to the residents it serves. serving both the disabled and handicapped individuals of our
community and the less fortunate of both riverside and san bernardino counties. >> do you know that there are three suspects at large right now, councilman? >> that's what i'm being told. i'm appreciative of the first responders. san bernardino police department headed by our chief police jarrod burguan provided interestininteres interesting information about the suspects leaving in a dark suv. it's an ongoing investigation. i can't say much more than that. deepest sympathies of those wounded. a very sympathetic time for us here in the city family on this particular issue. >> it certainly is. do you know if anyone is actually been apprehended, arrested so far? >> i have no information on that. >> but you do know there's this manhunt you say it's a black
yukon that they're searching for? >> black suv is what i'm being told the information released by san bernardino police chief jarrod burguan at the 2:00 hour. it's interesting to note that irc had some type of potluck or some type of christmas party. we're still trying to find out the details regarding that. but why irc i still don't know. there's no motive in ongoing investigation there at the inland regional center. >> have you been told, councilman, of any names of the tloot three suspects? >> unknown. i have not been notified of any of the suspects or the description other than the black suv vehicle. >> do you know if there were any threats made to the inland regional center or that meeting at the conference center that was going on earlier today when the shooting started? >> no. i am not aware. i was told that this is a rather large facility and there's
multiple floors and multiple conference rooms and areas of interest for the community. i'm not certain of all the, you know, entry and exit points of the facility. but there is a cafeteria, bookstore, some sort of gift shop. i'm not too much more familiar with the facility. >> and the fact that the san bernardino police chief, jarrod burguan said i guess out of an abundance of caution they were sealing off, shutting down courthouses, other government buildings in the area. do you know if there were any specific threats to those government buildings whether local or state? >> no. i made that same -- i was contacted about 11:29 this morning and had that same question were there any threats against elected officials or city hall or other county buildings. and i did not receive an
affirmative answer on that. >> city hall, has that been shut down where you are? >> yes. it is shut down. it's been locked down. >> has anything like this ever happened in the years that you've been active in politics and government in san bernardino county? >> well, it's important for viewers to know that san bernardino city is within the san bernardino -- the county of san bernardino. san bernardino city is the mother city to the county. so this is where it all happens he here, county offices and county buildings. again, this is the city of san bernardino. and we're certainly respect the resources from both the state and federal agencies as well as our own san bernardino county sheriff's department that are providing resources in addition to san bernardino city police. >> john valdivia with the san bernardino city council. thanks very much for joining us.
good luck to you, good luck to all the folks in san bernardino. we'll stay in close touch. >> thank you. >> thank you. joining us on the phone right now lieutenant rich lawhead of the san bernardino police department. thanks so much for joining us. rich, can you update us on what's going on right now as far as the manhunt is concerned? >> well, you know, it's still a very active scene. obviously we have to make sure that every part of that building is secure before we give the all-clear. we could have a victim hiding somewhere that does not know it's safe to come out or could be injured. so obviously we're looking at floor plans of that building to look for any possible hiding places where a victim might have hidden, that kind of stuff. we're going through that very methodically. our number one priority is the fact that we have to make sure that human life is protected. that's our number one priority. then we'll work on the criminal side of the investigation. but right now we are still in the process of making sure all the human life is taken care of. >> that's obviously critically
important, 14 dead, 14 injured at least according to the san bernardino police chief. can you confirm that there are in fact three shooters at large right now? >> that is what our reports have been. obviously we're in the process of still trying to talk to all our eyewitnesses. we have a number of those that may be potential eyewitnesses. you know, we've heard a number of rumors but we haven't gotten concrete information yet. >> go ahead. >> we don't want to release information that is not totally accurate. we definitely don't want somebody running around out there getting accused of something they're not guilty of. so we want to make sure we put out the most accurate information before we actually put something out. it's going to take it a little bit of time to get the most accurate information, but as soon as we have any kind of suspect information or suspect description of any kind, we're going to get that out to the public. the public's the only one that can solve this. they're going to help us locate whatever criminals are out there that have created this incident.
>> i assume there in the buildings at the inland regional center that they have closed circuit video cameras. i assume you're going through the tape right now to see if you can find the identities, look for these suspects? >> yeah, that is true. we are going to start looking at video evidence and all the other stuff associated. but again, until we have an all-clear and we're sure that there are no devices, nothing else that we have to worry about, we are going to, you know, continue to make sure that's safe. and then we're going to start looking at videos and stuff like that. i would imagine there's some preliminary stuff being done right now. but we have hundreds of people to talk to. >> there are perhaps three shooters, three killers on the loose right now. that is a huge priority to find these people before more individuals are shot and killed. do you know what group was in that conference room that the shooters attacked? were they county officials? were they people affiliated with the inland regional center? do you know what the meeting was that was underway in that conference room?
>> no. that has not been released yet. we do not know for sure. and, you know, i do not know. i literally do not know who that could be right now or who they are. >> was there any threat that was in advance in the days leading up to this shooting incident leveled against the inland regional center? >> no. to our knowledge we don't have any -- we had no active threats or anything prior to this incident. >> and can you tell us anything about a possible suspicious package that may have been left at the scene of the shooting? because we're getting reports that there may have been some sort of suspicious package. >> well, there was something that wasn't immediately identifiable. i can't tell you exactly what that looked like. but it is our protocol to sweep for those type of devices that might be left after an incident like this. a lot of times there is a secondary device left. it is our protocol to sweep the area. we have -- we are in the process of sweeping the area both with our dogs, our robots, our
sensing devices, everything that we have is being pumped into that area right now to make sure that that building is secure and that there's, again, no danger to human life. >> so we know that 14 people -- at least 14 people have been killed, 14 others have been injured. do you know how many people were actually in that room or in that conference center at the time? presumably there could have been a much bigger number of victims. >> yeah. there presumably could be. i don't know exactly how many. that is a very large area. and, again, i don't know what kind of event they were holding so it's hard for me to determine actually how many people might have been in attendance. it is the holiday season, that kind of stuff is going on right now. i do not know if it was one of those events or not. >> rich lawhead of the san bernardino police department. rich, we'll stay in close touch with you as well. thank you very much. good luck to you. good luck to all the folks over there in san bernardino. >> all right. have a great day. >> thank you. joining us now on the phone is a member of the board of trustees for the inland regional center keith nelson is joining us.
mr. nelson, thanks very much for joining us. what can you tell us about what happened? >> what i know is i was heading to the regional center for a meeting and received notice that there was an incident in our conference center. upon arriving i've been informed that there's 14 casualties and 14 injuries that were transported to various local hospitals. we're still not allowed back into the regional center, but our employees who have been evacuated are finally being bussed off the campus to another location. and we don't have -- we don't know if we have any staff in that area or any consumers that may have been in that area at the time. >> mr. nelson, do you know what group was in that conference room that the shooters attacked? >> it is our understanding the group using it was the county of san bernardino department of public health. >> the county -- the san
bernardino county department of public health. were they having a meeting, some sort of holiday luncheon? what was going on? >> from what i've been told it was a nondescriptive holiday event. we do use it quite frequently for -- we do let the community use it or rent it, government and other nonprofits. but it was told to me it was a holiday event. >> do you know if this group that was having this holiday event, have you heard have they received any threats going into today? >> not that i'm aware of. not that i was told of at all. and i generally ask, i've been here for two hours and there was no known threat to either agency. >> no indications of disgruntled employees who may have been fired or whatever? no reports along that nature? >> no, not at all. not to our staff at all. it's taken us back quite by
surprise. we were just planning some consumer holiday events coming up shortly at this conference center. and the trustees will have to meet and discuss whether that's prudent and security concern. >> is there normally security at the various buildings on the campus of the inland regional center? >> the buildings one and two, which are the two contiguous larger buildings where staff employees and consumers would normally come in for intake, have locks at each door, you need an escort to go around and do have security there. we do have security guards on the campus all the time. and if the building's open for conference, generally doesn't have the same level of security because we offer some public -- houses library resource center for our special needs community
to do research through different likes and plan for their mental health. >> and just to be precise, i want our viewers to know what the inland regional center does. itdoes, it serves individuals with developmental disabilities in san bernardino and riverside county. so you guys do really important work there. you service a lot of individuals, thousands of people and you have a huge staff there, righ right? >> yes, our staff is near 600. we're the largest regional center. we serve over 40,000 consumers, so we have a pretty wide area and the work that our staff does there is just incredible. you know, changing people's lives and making sure that people with developmental disabilities have meaningful and rich lives in the state of california. >> keith nelson, thanks so much for what you are doing and everyone at the regional center
is doing, so critically important to thousands and thousands of people. good luck to you and the folks out there. thank you. >> thank you. brian todd is also working the story for us. brian, you're getting some information on the manhunt underway for at least three suspects that may have driven away in what the police say a dark suv. >> reporter: the city councilman you spoke to from the san bernardino city counsel said he got word they were in a black yukon, between one and three suspects in a black yukon. we're told by u.s. marshals, former police officers, you have alerts out to be on the lookout, schools, hospitals, and the search is on for that dark-colored suv. you got to prepare for the possibility they might have abandoned that vehicle and have a second vehicle waiting.
we're told by marshals and others you got to be prepared if there are two or through suspects, the possibility they might split up and challenges of finding those suspects if they have split up and, you know, we've been told several times but law enforcement experts that have done the manhunts, tcrucia part is how coordinated they are and how they communicate and resources they have when they leave the scene, if they are coordinated with each other and plan this as it appears these assa assail abouts have you. have to track down a vehicle and possibility two, possibly three suspects and if they split up the challenge is magnified. what law enforcement has to its advantage in california, several very accomplished law enforcement agencies in the region that cooperate closely with each other.
san bern durn dee know. a manhunt like this as nighttime is more complicated than during the day. >> absolutely. if you remember the los angeles police officer went up into the san bernardino mountains. they assumed he fled the country and he was within 100 yards. as you mentioned, two hours from darkness, this will be a difficult thing and it may be days or weeks before the three are located. it will turn into a more intelligence-driven investigation. who are members of the group. has anybody else heard of threats planned by these individuals that were going to do it. it's going to be based on that
at this point. >> what seem to me, you've been involved in these searches, they have video presumably in that building. i assume they are going through it even as we speak right now. they want to get images of these three individuals, if there are three individuals and get them out to the public as quickly as possible to help in this search. >> i agree, wolf. mr. nelson gave us some very important information. he did talk about video and the fact that the other two, three-story buildings had some form of security where you needed a key pass to get in and get through several doors and if you didn't, you were escorted by the conference center and a soft target and they allowed in. it's interesting they went to that particular facility. this could go on for awhile and this is not just turning into a manhunt type investigation but a regular fugitive type investigation.
>> if there are images, video, still pictures, whatever cedric alexander, it's critically important to make those public as quickly as possible. i assume you agree with me on that. >> absolutely. any information, pictures, pictures of the vehicles, any picture to hone in on their face will be helpful because we need the public involved, wolf, to help identify if they see this vehicle or see the persons involved in this heinous act. >> the san bernardino police chief said he would brief reporters at the top of each hour, even if he doesn't have new information. we're standing by to wait and hear from the police chief. he's accompanied by the fbi agent on the scene as well as county sheriff, as well. so we'll stand by. we'll of course, have live coverage of that and see if there is an update on what is going on and jim sciutto is with us, as well. jim, the information is pretty
specific so far. we know 14 people confirmed dead, 14 people injured. we don't know how seriously those injuries are, presumably they are all in local hospitals by this time. the suggestion from the police chief is those numbers could go up. >> for sure and also since that building and they are still searching that building, there could be other victims in there. that's something to keep in mind. that's why he used that term of upwards of 14 killed and at least 14 injured. but so many of the details we know about witnesses talking about long weapons as opposed to handguns, the possibility of multiple shooters, the dress, military-style clothing and the fact they escaped. this leaves open questions here. they say one to three shooters. there is a possibility there are fewer than three shooters. that's a possibility. we don't know how he was addressed. did he plan to escape or manage to escape. so these are things they are looking at right now.
the key question is how much cctv coverage, closed circuit tv coverage, do they have? traffic cameras nearby, can they in effect track the progress of this vehicle that's been described as a black suv as it's leaving? that's something they will look at closely right now. >> they have to do that quickly, i assume. they say the investigation is going on and the suggestion from the police chief is they will look at the video later. they got to look at that video as quickly as possible. >> they have hundreds of officers. he may not be aware of the scope of the investigation going on si same tan usually. 60 miles away, los angeles. >> this is a city of some 200,000 people. >> the city itself is big enough and and they do have in that conference center. do they have security cameras? do they have one camera out in the parking lot? were they looking down or had
head gear on so they don't have a real description once they change clothes, change cars, no facial, no race maybe, anything to go on in that investigation. >> and we're standing by for this news conference from the police chief. we'll have, of course, live coverage at the top of the hour when the police chief comes back to the microphones, updates us on what is going on. those of us that work with video all the time, it's not that complicated to go to the video equipment, rewind it and take a look and see what you can see. >> i agree but in a lot of times in the government buildings, you have old equipment. it might be taking a shot every couple seconds. you don't know. it's going to come down to what type of equipment they had in there and i think also, too, you're talking about three fairly large buildings here there are hundreds of people. you heard the interview with the mom and dad talking about their daughter who was getting ready to be interviewed.
that's going to be multiplied by a couple hundred over. you have a large group of officers doing interviews and then you've got to have some looking at the video i would assume. >> how unusual, cedric, is it, they say there could be three, there could be. witnesses thought they saw three people escape. it sounds a little unusual to get that maybe three, maybe two, maybe one. how unusual is that? >> wouldn't be unusual when you have chaos such as that going on and people are running all over the place trying to rescue themselves, rescue other people. frightened, scared, so the perception may be accurate or not be. it's not unusual for in a case such as this that the numbers may be three, maybe be two, may be one. we're going to know more i'm
quite sure here soon. >> maybe one in fact because we may find out fairly soon from the police chief getting ready to brief the news media right now. this is of usually a huge developing story we're following here in the united states. we're following the breaking news this mass shooting and this mass manhunt underway right now. we're following the very dangerous situation still unfolding in southern california, at least, at least 14 people confirmed dead. authorities fear there may be as many as three heavily armed gunman on the loose. we're standing by for a briefing by the local police chief. we want to welcome in our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're "the situation room." police say they will be updating us at the top of each hour, top of the hour so we're standing by to hear from the police chief. just a little while ago, they revealed the extend of this chilling situation.
>> up to three people had entered the building and had opened fire on people inside of the building. we do have some preliminary numbers of upwards of 14 people that are dead and upwards of 14 people that are injured. we do not know where the suspects are. >> cnn national correspondent kyung lah is on the scene. we're waiting for the sheriff to come to the microphone and update us but you're getting more information. for the viewers tuning in now, tell us what we know. >> we are getting these hourly updates, but i want to show you something that's happening right over my shoulder. you can see that i'm standing near the side of this road. this is one road way into the irc. this bus you're looking at driving by right now, these are people who were inside the irc. they look quite calm, and you see a second bus. these are all the people who were inside. we're hearing from the police department that what's happening
here is they have been moved on to a golf course and then what is happening is after they are interviewed, they are put on to these buses and then they are being taken to other locations. those locations are where they are going to be able to reunite with their very, very anxious families. that's the very last bus we're seeing here. we have spoken to a number of spou spouses who say they have been communicating with the people inside, loved ones trying to get information. they want to have a moment where they can hug their wife or their husband and make sure that they are okay. we are hoping to hear some information from the police chief. i'm just kind of looking around to see if that press conference is going to happen. we actually saw a number of agencies getting together sort of before the last press conference. we saw the fbi and department of homeland security and county
sheriff and police department. thereto is a very active manhunt happening here in san bernardino county. they are looking for, according to the police department, three suspects. they want the public to remain very vigilant. they want them to look for these suspects who may be wearing military-style gear. there isn't anything beyond that specific description of these suspects. it is something they are hoping to get, some better definition of as they start to interview some suspects and we're starting to see now some of the cell phone video, the very first cell phone video of people who were inside. now this doesn't show any shots being fired. it doesn't show anyone hurt, but what this cell phone video shows us, this is video that was taken by an employee inside the irc and sent it to her husband. you can see the first responders. the reason this is helpful, there are a number of different police uniforms. county police here. the police department was here.
there was massive response because of the call that went out that there was an active shooting situation. the swat, we are told, still working their way through the building, hoping to clear it as well as try to get these families reunited, wolf. >> thanks very much. kyung lah. we'll get back to you. stephanie is on the scene. we're following the breaking news, stephanie. we know at least 14 people confirmed dead and yet another mass shooting here in the united states, this time in california. at least 14 people have been injured. we're standing by for the news conference. what else are you learning, stephanie? >> reporter: to follow up, the people alive and making it out and being transported out, i'm at a center, the rudy hernandez center and this is a location where we're expecting some of these people who survived this mass shooting are going to be brought and be reunited with family members. we see family members coming in here. before i got here, i stopped on the corner where this incident
happened and i found one mother and daughter duo trying to get back to their relative and i talked to the daughter. she was looking for her brother. they know he's alive and she recounted what he was able to convey to her. take a listen. >> 11:00, 11:00 a.m. saying there is an active shooter in the building. he saw people get injured and him and his co-workers had to go to the nearest office and start barricading themselves. >> reporter: she went on to tell me that they barricaded themselves in the room before that. she said that he saw, her brother did, three people who had been shot, wounded. that's what forced him to run into the room. they stayed there until a swat team broke in and realize thought it was the shooters. they got word her brother was alive but not knowing what his situation was. it's been sometime and they weren't getting responses and
presumably he's being interviewed by police officials before being brought to be reunited. his mother was too distraught to do an interview even though he's safe. he's a social working working with children but too close to home for them as they are trying to figure out how to get back here because they were on one side of the street blocked off and trying to figure out how to get around and back over here and back to where he was going to be dropped off to be reunited. chaotic seen for the family members as they are trying to find their loved ones and know they are safe whencasualties in >> we see one reunion going on. these individuals are coming over to the microphone, if they are going to speak. we'll listen in and hear what they have to say this is one story of so many that are going on right now. looks like a reunion, these people must be so relieved that their loved ones are back there. we'll check in with them at the
same time. we're standing by, the police chief in san bernardino is getting ready to brief all of us, brief the news media on what is going on, the information. we'll have live coverage of that so stand by as soon as he gets to the microphone we'll have live coverage. joining us is congressman peter king and intelligence committees. have you been briefed, congressman on what was going on and who may have been responsible for this mass shooting, this mass killing in california? >> wolf, i have not received any official briefing. i've been in contact with various sources and they are not certain if it is one, two or three shooters. it's very unofficial but i'm hearing second hand right now there is no link to any foreign terrorism that again, there is no evidence of that. nobody is ruling it out but there is no evidence of that thus far and so really, in view of the fact that these --
either, one, two, or three assailants managed to escape. >> have they explained why they are not sure if it's one shooter, two shooters or three shooters? are there conflicting eyewitness accounts? is that going on? >> wolf, this is not uncommon if you recall last year during the year, the shootings in washington, the first reports from the police were that eyewitnesss saw two and three shooters and it turned out there was only one. so again, you know, they are trying to sort it out. apparently they are getting different accounts but again people can read different vantage points so it's possible one person could have seen three and one could have seen one or could be in the confusion they thought there was more than one. so again, we're still right now in the early fog of war. >> the fbi agent on the scene over there at the news conference about an hour or so ago said it may or may not be
terror. they simply don't have a motive right now. there is no indication, yet, i assume they are going through as much information as they possibly can to see if there were any warning signs, any information coming in in the days leading up to this mass murder. >> i understand they are going through either disgruntled employees, former employees, social media, anyone in the area who is making any type of violent threats. all of that is being looked at. nothing is being ruled out and exploring every conceivable possibility. >> police say the shooter or shooters came dressed military style, were fully equipped and may have had body armor, if you will. if it's not foreign inspired terrorism, it potentially could be domestic terrorism, right? >> if those accounts are accurate, of usualyoul of youls
that is well planned. whether islamist terrorism or local domestic terrorists or racist, certainly when you have that type of coordination, if that's true, long guns, if they had the uniform-type clothing on and they have this type of escape planned, that certainly shows a planned attack that wouldn't just be random and certainly could be linked to some type of organization, whether islamist or racist. >> hold on for a moment, congressman. ir wa i want to listen to our affiliate. looks like breaking news. >> north of irc, we don't know right now if this is actually -- has anything to do with this or something totally separate. we understand units were in pursuit and we understand there were possibly shots fired. a suspect is down. uncertain if he's in custody or
injured. we'll try to get a better location. i'm come off and try to get a street name. it's in a residential area. again, it's very difficult to see. we'll try to get that in a second. multiple agencies closing in in the area. we have officers driving eastbound in the area. we understand there still might be a pursuit going on. we'll come off this area and follow these officers here that might be continuing to officers in pursuit of the suv. this might be something completely different. lots of interesting information. units trying to speed southbound and we'll go ahead of them to see if there is a pursuit south of them. trying to get information from the desk where it is. >> we'll stay in touch with affiliates, that's from kabc. looked like one individual was on the ground, may or may not be related to what happened at the inland regional center where 14 were shot and killed and another 14 people injured. massive manhunt underway in the
entire area right now. we're still with congressman peter king. congressman, president obama spoke to cbs shortly after the shootings and say he wants congress to do more to prevent gun violence here in the united states. i want to play a little clip from that interview. all right. we're going to cue that up, that clip, congressman. he basically makes the point he's often made that these kinds of mass killings, if you will, happened disproportionally here in the united states as opposed to other countries around the world. i think we have the clip right now. stand by, let's listen. >> there are steps we can take not to eliminate every one of the mass shootings but to improve the odds that they don't happen as frequently. common sense gun safety laws, stronger background checks and
for those concerned about terrorism, you know, some may be aware of the fact that we have a no-fly list where people can't get on planes but those same people we don't allow to fly could go into a store right now in the united states and buy a firearm and there is nothing that we can do to stop them. that's a law that needs to be changed. >> you're a co-sponsor ocf that legislation that could close that loophole, hard to believe but allows people on the tsa no-fly list to go out and buy guns. why can't this legislation be passed? >> wolf, i first introduced this legislation back in 2007. so you had four years of when the democrats were in charge and now we've had i guess in the 50th year of republicans being in charge and no one seems to have had the stomach or will to take this issue on. i'm glad the president is
speaking on -- >> all right. congressman, hold on for a moment. i think we're seeing -- i want to show the viewers the live pictures we're getting in from the scene. it looks like the police are pursuing an individual. could be related, might not be related but let's listen into our affiliate and see what they are saying. >> east west street right here. you can see officers with long guns here. a black suv. uncertain if this is the suspect. you can see tactical teams looking for positions of advantage now. again, suspect is down. they don't know if additional suspects are in the car. you see tactical teams moving eastbound and we'll come over here moving eastbound trying to find a position of advantage and come back out. the scene we showed you earlier again, that might have been the scene where we have again, not confirmed but there is a possible officer injured that has not been confirmed. we saw several officers standing over that downed person who
looked as if they were wearing a bulletproof vest down there but you can see the black suv and just to the driver's side on the north side of the street there is a suspect down. it looks right next to him looks like -- i don't want to get too close because that is a gory scene. looks like a long rifle down near his feet. again, i don't want to get too close. i'm going to go around the long way. i'm going to go in tight and around the long way so we don't show the suspect down. show officers backing off. we'll get to the car around the long way. that is a dark suv. a lot of bullet holes. this was a very, very graphic shootout. all the windows completely shot out. we saw tactical teams running back westbound on the sidewalk. they are trying to figure out whether it's clear to approach and find position of cover and concealment.
those bushes do not stop bullets. they are trying to find positions of advantage. we're trying to see if we have an additional suspect to the right. they are focussing solely on the vehicle now. the suspect they can be assured is down in the middle of the street down and not moving. more than likely deceased. right now waiting, calling out to see if there is any additional activity in the vehicle but all sorts of pandemonium. it may have been an officer down, not confirmed just reports that an officer was possibly down in the parking lot. you saw a wreck in the street. you saw all sorts of debris, two or three vehicles hit, multiple officers. again, unconfirmed and then officers hit or if this is even something that's associated with this same, the irc shooting but it appears that the long rifle down at the suspect's feet is
down there. i may pull out wide again. very gruesome scene. you can show it here. go ahead, david. >> all right. so there you have it. our affiliate kabc, those gruesome arial shots, dark suv and windows shot out, blown out, very gruesome scene there deliberately staying we moved. we're not going to show the body apparently there on the scene, as well. tom fuentes you're watching what is going on precisely. it's a very gruesome scene. art roderick, cedric alexander. toms, this looks like an active situation now that's not been resolved yet. >> no, they are trying to determine if someone else is in that vehicle and of course, suvs like that often have dark enough tented glass that you can't see through it easily from the outside. so we don't know if it's a good guy or bad guy down on the street but there still could be
somebody in the van. >> because it's someone -- could be a police officer, could be one of the suspects if there is more than one, right? >> right. >> art, what do you think? >> they got to be careful here because obviously this is a residential neighborhood and high-powered rifles and law enforcement is taught you got to have a target to shoot at so i know from the law enforcement side they are being very careful but they are using actual front yards and fences there of people's neighborhoods to make sure they got a good angle on this particular vehicle. >> cedric alexander, look at the vehicle. all the windows have been basically shot out and as we've been pointing out, we don't know if someone is still inside. >> yeah, we don't, wolf and but i think we going to know here pretty shortly once they continue to surveil the scene and vehicle. clearly from the way it looks from here, there were a lot of shots fire into that vehicle, as well, too. so i somewhat reckon to believe that there was a shootout here
that occurred on this street corner but we going to know something here pretty soon. >> looks like some sort of military vehicle is pulling in, as well, into that area. i just saw it at the bottom of the screen. we'll see if we can confirm that, jim sciutto you're watching what is going on right now. this is a vehicle, the police chased this vehicle. the windows have been blown out. it's a gruesome scene, as we said. >> some details fit what eyewitnesss said about the shooter earlier in the day, black suv, long rifle, there is a long rifle next to the body on the ground, which the camera man is not showing because it's something of a gruesome scene, again, we don't know for sure at this point, i was just speaking to a law enforce the official that is making the point the focus of local law enforcement is finding this shooter or shooters to prevent he or she, him or her from acting again. that had been their focus. this is an urgent manhunt for that person. it is possible, that's what we've seen taking place here. again, you just don't know who
that person is on the ground but some of the details match what eye witnesses said about the shooter. >> jim, a producer on the scene for us, alberto, where are you and what are you seeing? >> hi, good afternoon. we're on the corner of san bernardino avenue and richardson street. we have been chasing police scanner traffic of various leads that have been reported on the air and this one first a couple turned out to be nothing. this one, there is a massive police presence that descended on a church called the corner stone assembly of god and the sheriffs police department is ordering us to stay back. there are -- i can count at least one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, several dozen police officers surrounding the area. they have heavy guns pointed there and extremely heightened state of alert. there is a large police presence that converts in a matter of
seconds and that's the scene here. we've been ordered to stay back. they do not know if there is a suspect on the location. there are multiple helicopters flying above me, as well. they are asking if we stay behind the car and let me see if i can get a little bit of additional information. again, they surrounded a building called the corner stone assembly of god church. there are police officers towards the south of the side towards the east of the side and they are approaching the entrance and they are staying back, trying to figure out if they think the suspect is running south. >> we saw alberto, i just want to interrupt for a moment. we just saw if you can see that long gun or at least a long gun on the street, on the other side of that little tree on the bottom of your screen, that's a gun that's there, as well. alberto, did you actually hear
gunshots? >> we did not hear gunshots. we only saw an incredibly fast response from police officers that were in an area nearby. we're about half a mile away checking out another lead and detained a couple people when we started listening to scanner traffic about a possible shots fired in the area and then we saw the massive converging of police forces half a mile north from that location and brings us to richardson. san bernardino and the southern edge is cooly avenue if i can read correctly. we're going to try to see if we can put up a shot shortly if we get a chance but the sheriff's department here is out here in full force, multiple people have taken cover behind their truck. there is several police officers that are also with us here using cars for shelter. they shut down the area completely. nobody gets in and out. they are not allowing us to move from here.
they are in a heightened state of alert. some of them have kneeled down. there are sole police officers right by the church, as well. they are -- looks like they are looking to see the area that is directly to the west. i'm sorry, to the east of the corner stone assembly of god church. i was not able to see the gunman you were mentioning. i'm not in the location where i'm at. i simply can't see from this position. the police are still very much on alert but i wouldn't say they let down guard but they are -- yeah, it looks like -- okay, now we have several police officers coming from the south side of the church that are moving back out to the street and maybe checking out the southern edge. that would be cooly avenue two blocks down from where we are. looks like they are moving in that position. our camera man was able to move a little closer before the police told us to stay back and
my understanding from him is that they were chasing somebody on foot. okay. the police now are on foot and they are moving south. there's a police presence still at the church. they are moving closer again to the church. there is -- these are san bernardino police officers, all with heavy guns. they are moving out towards the south of the church and towards cooly avenue so they might be looking on the streets that are directly to the south of the church -- >> alberto, stand by for a moment. be careful over there. we'll get back to you. kyung lah is also on the scene for us. kyung, what are you learning. >> reporter: i'm near the irc, the original mass shooting incident. just a short time ago, wolf, we saw a number of vehicles flying out of here with their lights on, the armored tankers, as well, and what the police have now told us, what the sergeant here confirms to us is basically
what you see. there is indeed a scene, not too far from here that there is one suspect down. what she does not know as of yet because it's still unfolding is exactly how it's connected to the shooting earlier today here in san bernardino. they are trying to figure out that. as you can see it unfold right in front of your eyes, they are still trying to get to what is happening here. she says that the latest tally that they have here at the irc, 14 dead, 17 people wounded. they are working this active scene as well as this scene that you're seeing from the aerials from our affiliate. again, they do confirm they have a number of officers responding to the scene, the massive police presence that was here bolted to this area and they do have one suspect down, wolf. >> all right. stand by, i want to go back to alberto, our cnn producer. was the suspicion that a suspect or more could have been hiding
out in that church? is that the what suspension was, alberto? >> reporter: from the position that i'm looking at, it looked like the police officers were surrounding, they were checking out the perimeter. the police presence that we mains right by the entrance of the church now looks like they are not as on a heightened state as they were when they got here. they look just a little bit more relaxed but they are now there are more police moving further south from the church. we're looking at an area that is three to four blocks where the police have intensified. the churches i would say is probably the north, the northwestern edge of that church area. i can see officers at least one, two, three, four blocks down from where we're currently standing at. the police presence at the church does seem a little more relaxed but it's hard to tell what is happening down the ally way because police will not let
us move from this location. >> be careful. we'll get back to you. explain the vehicles. these are military armored vehicles in the streets of san bernardino right there at the bottom of the screen. we're not showing it to our viewers. there is a body there, as well. these are military-style vehicles brought in. >> more than likely those are swat armored cars, like a bear cat and looks like they have the suspect vehicle blocked in so it's not able to move and they are looking inside and you see a third one between the body and the suspect vehicle and it looks like they were checking out the body there for a few seconds and went back to make sure that that individual was still down and not able to fire or do anything violent but it looks like they have got that car pretty much blocked in and you notice the passenger door was open. you didn't see any other doors open so i'm not sure if they are assuming there was a second suspect that got on foot but it
looks like there is still a lot of activity going on in the area behind the suspect vehicle. >> tom fuentes they have to worry about the possibility there could be an explosive device in the vehicle, as well. >> explosives and still heavily armed person inside that vehicle and, you know, we make much about the militarization of the police, well, that's because we have a militarized public in the country with military-assault rifles, armored vests. that's one of the situations our police often go up against this type of armorment in the citizen citizenry. >> you're saying it's justified to have armored vehicles coming into a city like this at a time like this? >> absolutely. >> and cedric, you agree. >> absolutely i agree. there is a lot of controversy of this equipment and here is a good example of this type of bear cat armored vehicle being
used in these types of scenarios that help protects officers and provides safety for them as they approach these suspect vehicles or -- and it makes it -- it makes it easier for them to accomplish the mission. they are going to accomplish their mission here in a few minutes. >> let's me update the viewers now at the bottom of the hour. we were expecting the police chief to be briefing us at the top of the hour. there has been a development. serious development we've seen thanks to the aerial cameras from helicopters flying overhead from our affiliates. these are all live pictures you're seeing from the scene. there was a vehicle, a dark suv all the windows basically shot out and there is a body there as well as a long gun at the same time. police are being very, very cause shouous in moving in. they don't know frankly if there is one shooter at large, two
shooters or three shooters. they are trying to determine that. they want to be as careful as possible and make sure there isn't more deaths. 14 people confirmed shot, murdered by the shooter or shooters of this particular case. the police earlier said 14 injured. kyung lah getting more information, 17 people injured. we don't know the extent of the injuries when the shooter or shooters went into what's called the inland regional center, a conference building where there were employees from the county health deputy having some sort of holiday-type reception and the suggestion is the shooter or shooters went in there with ak-47 type assault rifles and began shooting and killing individuals. our producer alberto moya is on the scene over there. alberto, you're getting more information and seeing more of what is going on. update the viewers here in the united states and around the world. >> reporter: wolf, we just had two police officers walk right
by our position and said this is an active scene, that's the only thing they would provide to us. we asked if they had their guy, if they managed to get somebody. the only thing they would say is this is an active scene. it's easy to see exactly when they are referring to. there are multiple helicopters flying overhead. the police presence ex end tten further south. i'm looking at several police cars, one, two, three, four, five, eight police cars closing off richard soon avenue and san bernardino avenue. unfortunately, we are not able to see where the majority of the activity is taking place because they asked us to please remain behind our car and told us that it's an active situation and after what happened today. >> are they forcing you to kneel down and hunker down in this
active scene where you are, alberto? >> reporter: yes, they are. when they originally got here they started moving really fast running all over the place with guns drawn. now it's the northern edge of the scene that i have described, that's a little bit more relaxed. you can tell the police moved into some of the streets, directly to the south of us. now i'm looking at -- okay. hold on a second, wolf. i'm looking at the press presence. they are kneeled down and taken an active position. i'm going to see if the camera man can look. we're going to pan our camera so you can see they are looking at an area that just a few minutes ago they were standing up, looked a little more relax, now they resumed kneeling down position. there is of usually something they are checking out and want to make sure nobody gets in and
out of the region that they have cordened off. so it looked like they are -- it continues to be on a very, very heightened stage for blocks and blocks in this area of san bernardino. >> we see our cnn camera exclusive live images we're showing, sheriff, law enforcement guns drawn, this is clearly an active situation. they may have stopped a dark suv, the windows all blown out and gunfire, there may be a suspect on the ground with a long gun there but this is considered still an active situation. tom fuentes, the impression based on the actions of the police there, these are live pictures we're showing viewers. this is by no means a done deal. they think there is potentially other suspects at large. >> the fact they think it and are hunkering down tells me our camera and our personnel are too close. nay ne they need to expand the
perimeter and get people out. they are pursuing people with long guns that can shoot hundreds of yards, they have no business being that close to the potential shooting situation. >> this is the deadliest shooting in the united states in sandy hook and people, these mass shootings take place here more than anything else. >> sandy hook and virginia tech. the death toll higher than today. you see again it sounds like from witness accounts and that long rifle that you see next to what may very well be a suspect in this assault weapons, however, you described them weapons with capabilities to shoot multiple rounds and that gels from what you heard from an eyewitness that heard 25 to 30 gunshots, what seemed to be a
pause for reload and that would indicate magazine-type weapon with 30 rounds ocr so and that' the death toll you can get with weapons that size and capability but it's interesting here now because you're hearing from police on the ground telling our people there i'm also seeing that the san bernardino sheriff is tweeting out now that this remains an active situation, a very active situation there so they don't -- at least they are not convinced there is not another shooter on the loose in that area. we're seeing that in the press sense of the police there. >> you see that suv tom fuentes surrounded there. you see the armored vehicles, military-style vehicles on the scene, as well. there is a body there. there is a long gun there, but what specifically i assume they are worried there could be other suspects at large or explosives. >> at large, yes. i don't think they think there is another shooter inside the van from the positions they are standing they are completely vulnerable and if they think
there is an explosive in the vehicle they shouldn't be that close, either. i think -- >> look at this vehicle that's approaching, art. tell us about that. >> yeah, this is some type of eod. >> bomb disposal device that they are going to use. that's probably a bomb shield they have there. i think tom is right if they think there is an explosive device in there, the swat members are way too close to that vehicle right now. they should back up. i mean, obviously, nobody else in the vehicle, the vehicle isn't going to move. they should get away and let the eod unit do their job. >> is that the type of vehicle that would dispose is if there is an explosive division there? >> they would actually look into the vehicle from there. they have other devices that they can use. they have a large barrel that they can put a small device into
or if the device is unstable enough they might explode it in the vehicle there. so it really is going to be up to what the eod, first eod people on the scene see in the vehicle. >> these are live pictures from our cnn camera, exclusive pictures. law enforcement sheriffs moving in approaching the area. it's clearly, clearly, cedric alexander, you're watching this together with us. clearly a dangerous situation unfolding. it's by no means over. >> no, not at all. it's very tense there. i can only imagine being on the ground with the officers how intense of a situation this is but they are pursuing this very cautiously and we're going to stay tuned to see what happens, wolf, in the end of this as its it unfolds. >> jim sciutto, we have seen these vehicles in iraq and baghdad. i saw them in where there could
be an explosive device, it's terrifyi terrifying. >> they build the vehicles to with stand bullets and explosions. that's the concern. there were high-powered rifles used and they would have seen what kind of rifle based on the casings left at the scene. that's a risk and because we saw them reacting to the possibility of an explosive device at the scene of the shooting, there is concern that their explosive device is present and you see the eods in there with special equipment to protect them from those. this is the thing, as art and tom were saying, police forces request that kind of material because the ad ver scaries they face often have that kind of weapons. >> there was controversies we remember in baltimore when they moved vehicles in the local community and not happy seeing them at the time. this is a very different situation, tom fuentes.
looks like they could potentially be concerned there may still be someone inside the suv with the windows blown up. >> i don't think so the way they are standing around next to it. >> why wouldn't they go into the vehicle -- >> it might be booby trapped and they don't have that expertise. i wouldn't be surprised if they back the police vehicles away and detonate the car. that's what happened in dallas about a year ago when they had that car trapped that the individual that had opened fire in downtown dallas and they may just do that and not bother to risk the safety of their bomb tech personnel to go into the car and detonate it. >> the downside is you blow up any evidence -- >> but they are worried about safety first. >> safety first is the most important. alberto moya, you're there, tell the viewers what you're seeing because these are exclusive images we're seeing live pictures coming in from the our cnn camera. >> reporter: hi, wolf. we've been here for several minutes now and it looks like the majority of the police that
immediately moved near the area of the church have moved now further south. our camera man who was first to get there, he indicated he had scene somebody running and said that the bear cat, which you may be able to see from arial pictures i haven't had a chance to see the aerial from my position but looks like they did have a significant police presence moving towards the south of richardson street. we're on the northern edge, the policeman that had originally surrounded the corner stone assemble of good church have looks like expanding down and look a lot more relaxed and the police immediately began going from block to block and now they are moving further south. they are going to the street south of the church.
they had reenforce tments go ov. we're looking at the police here by the church also further down richardson, a group of police officers who are making their way back to the northern perimeter of the area. there are also a lot of interest in san bernardino for what happened today. police cruisers are moving back and forth fairly actively. i assume there are different tactical teams. we are looking at a group of san bernardino sheriff department officers heavily armed. they look a lot more relaxed than the initial few minutes when we got here where they had guns drawn and on a heightened state of alert and some took cover behind the police car a
and -- the police department is saying this is still an active scene. still active. anybody dead? okay. they would not confirm or deny that anything specific happened with the shooter but as you can tell, they said off the top and you can tell by the number of helicopters overhead, the armored vehicle which looked like some device to help shield anybody approaching the area or any additional shooting took place moved into position. we did have a visual indication that the bear cats had been
moved into position after it was called for. >> alberto, very quickly, the one body on the scene there, that is believed to be the body of one of the shooting suspects, is that right? >> i have not seen the body with my eyes. i'm going by the information relaid. the police officers, the only thing they told me is this continues to be. the police say this continues to be an active scene. >> art, based on what we're seeing, what's your analysis? >> they are targeting the vehicle and eod on the scene and sounds like for a period of
time, law enforcement thought they might have had a sukd suspect someplace. not sure if that's the case at this point and where that information came from but to be on the safe side, law enforcement assumes this is another shooter and this is probably what they are going through. >> it's going to be dark in an hour and if they think they have somebody loose to go door to door that could commit a home invasion and steal somebody else's vehicle and do a car hijacking, if that's true there is another person possibly out there this is a dangerous situation still. >> cedric, the way the police are moving now and we're showing viewers live pictures, does it look like they are moving as a result of the situation calming down or still very dangerous? >> no, still very dangerous situation and i'm quite sure they are taking all the precaution they can because one thing their commanders want to
make sure the officers are safe and away from where they need to be but at the same time, too, are able to go house to house and do those neighborhoods, walks those streets and continue to search for our second to third person. so they are doing exactly what they need to be doing now with this situation, wolf. >> yeah, safety first. be on the side of caution and vehicles move in with protective devices and more law enforcement arriving on the scene. our producer alberto moya is there. looks like they are moving in with these pictures. you're close there. looks like they are moving into a house. >> that's exactly right, wolf. i'm pretty far away but looks through the camera lens, i'm looking at exactly the same thing you are and indeed it looks like they are -- they are checking out every corner, every part of this street. you'll have moments where the police look like they are standing down like the situation has calmed down and then two
seconds later, you see two or three police officers running with their guns drawn. you see two or three cruisers going down the street on richardson avenue which is where we're at and every time i ask them is anything, can you tell me anything? they continue to say this is an active situation. i think they are going to be extremely, extremely cautious. it's securing the scene and checking out every door, every location they could possibly think of just in case there is something else happening but yes, this is still, you can tell the police is very tense and very careful and going door to door and some of these places like i mentioned, a church here, residential area. there is a facility with what looked like a couple of large tanks for something. it's a little bit of a mix area here but the police are going every single place they can think of to make sure nobody
gets in and out. >> tom fuentes you got to really be on the side of kaulgs. they don't know if there are imp viced explosives. they have to be careful. >> they do and again, if they have gone into someone's home and taken a family hostage, that makes it all the more dangerous in the long run here. >> if one or two of the other alleged shooters, that's the fear, they went into a home. >> if a guy knock the on your door with a long gun, you take them in. they could do a carjacking or couple blocks away before they had enough officers to create the perimeter. they may have the person contained. they may not. they may not have another person. could have been someone else running. there is a lot of questions and darkness say proeching and they will ha -- approaching and they will have a lot of difficulties
tonight. >> how extraordinary and unusual are these images we're seeing now. >> well, we tend to be seeing more and more of them, wolf, over the last number of years and each one of these scenarios we go back and try to see what we can learn from them and so because we can pretty much anticipate an environment we're in today we'll continue to see unfortunately these type of incident os -- occur. we want to learn better tactics and how to protect the community and at the end of this sen ncen, there will be lessons learned. >> we're seeing the vehicles around the suv and windows blown out and law enforcements moving in protected by the armored vehicles and glass. presumably, they are going in there to determine whether or not there are other individuals or explosive devices but clearly they suspect this is the vehicle
they were looking for. 14 confirmed people, 14 confirmed deaths in the shooting incident at the inland regional center. 17 people injured. all in hospitals right now. but this is a critical moment, tom fuentes. >> it's critical and if they have a suspect body on the street, they need to process the body and try to identify who that person is. get dna, fingerprint it, immediately start running the information through databases because if they identify that person, that may lead to the identification of other colleagues of his in a group that had this bad idea to do this. i think that's a critical part of this, as well. get the suspect identified and try to determine who else that person hangs out with and may have been conspireing with. >> and jim sciutto as we see what's going on right now, this could be the tail end on the other hand, this could be going on for awhile if there are other shooters at large. we don't know.
the police chief originally said there could be up to three shooters, now there's one believed to be dead on the ground in this latest shootout with authorities. >> what we don't know here is are they operating out of an abundance of caution now to make sure that there's not another shooter or shooters who left this vehicle or did someone see someone else fleeing from that vehicle in addition to this suspect, this presumed suspect who is on the ground jut out of our view there to the left of the screen behind that tree? that's the question. and our reporter on the ground has seen the police take an offensive posture and then relax and, again, i think it's clear that the police don't know at this point and in light of the kinds of weapons involved, they are operating at a minimum with an abundance of caution to make sure there is no one else on the loose. >> the chopper pilot said he believes he saw a second body inside the suv that's been stopped there with the windows blown out.
we don't know that for sure. but that's what the chopper pilot apparently says he saw. a second body, another body on the ground. police say that no police seem to have been injured. two suspects. if they are looking for a third, that's where they are being cautious right now. explain the three military vehicles surrounding the suv, what they are doing. >> i don't know what they are doing at this point. i think normally you would see eod vehicles get close and try to detonate the vehicle or determine if it's booby-trapped or if it has explosives in it. it's possible that there is a victim, a suspect victim in that vehicle if you had the windshields and side windows all blown out, you could have a bonnie and clyde type situation where you have a bullet riddled body and they know that person has to be dead and they are in no hurry to deal with that and get him out of the vehicle. so we don't know exactly what they know but they are close enough to be able to tell if there is somebody in the
vehicle. >> it looks like they may have taken another body out of that vehicle, jim sciutto. if we can see carefully enough, it looks like maybe a second body has just been removed from the suv if that's, in fact, what the law enforcement authorities are doing. you have a better look at it than i do? >> looking closely as i can, and, again, this is an aerial from a helicopter, that may then explain why you had the police moving up there and trying to get closer and make sure that person was dead and no longer a threat. you're pulling out now and as you look at what is under that sort of white clothing or white sheet, certainly the possibility of another body. >> this is a residential neighborhood in san bernardino, a city of about 200,000 people, some 60,000 or so miles from los
angeles, about an hour's drive from los angeles. it started off as a regularly routine kind of day at the inland regional center. that's a center that serves individuals with developmental disabilities in the riverside and san bernardino counties. in one of the buildings there, there was a conference under way from the county health care workers, apparently, who were there and the charges that these at least one or two or three shooters went in there with long guns, ak-47 type guns, went in there and started shooting. we had an eyewitness who told us she heard 20 or 30 bullets within a matter of only a few minutes ring out. the police chief in san bernardino, jarrod burguan saying at least 14 dead. the number has now gone up to 17. so this is cedric alexander.
this is going on on a residential street in san bernardino, california. you can see law enforcement experts behind those armored vehicles moving very, very carefully, cautiously to try to determine what, if anything else, is inside that suv. >> absolutely, wolf. they are going to take a great deal of precaution. i agree with tom. it's really very hard to tell exactly what they are doing in and around that vehicle right now. but the appearance may be, it could be one, maybe two bodies inside of that vehicle. but they are going to proceed very cautiously because they really have time on their side. now, with the cloak of darkness moving in, certainly makes it a little bit more challenging for them, particularly if they are going to still be looking for another suspect out there. but i think as time begins to pass, we're gaining more information about how this may end up coming to a close. >> let's hope it does come to a close and there's no more
deaths, injuries. evan perez, our justice reporter, is getting information in. we know the fbi is on the scene, atf, department of homeland security. what are you learning from your sources? >> right now they are trying to determine what possible could be the motive here and and anything associated with this event that was taking place, where this shooting began at 11:00 a.m. local time. they want to make sure anybody who was at the event and perhaps left it or perhaps missed it today, whether they were involved in any of this. and obviously now that they have someone who appears to be dead in that vehicle that we keep showing on air, it helps them at least try to put together a picture of who may be involved. obviously that means now that they are beginning to get a picture of whether or not this picture is something else that is perhaps related to some other
motive. obviously there's some other motive, whether or not there's terrorism access. there's no information indicating that that is the case. as a matter of fact, it's looking less and less like that is the case. but again, they don't rule anything out until they've checked everything and one of the things that they are doing right now is businessly checkin see what could bring to that an end. >> the fbi director on the scene said they could not rule in or rule out terrorism. they don't have a motive right now but they are going through methodically. once again, 14 people confirmed daddy in that mass murder, shooting at the inland regional center at that conference going on with some county employees there a gunman or two or three
gunmen went in there with ak-47-style assault weapons and started killing and shooting at these people who were having some sort of celebration here in the united states. tom, as we see these images, they have to err on the side of caution and worry about the worst case, that there may be a bomb or explosive device there. >> that's true, wolf. they want to get the identification numbers off that vehicle so they can trace it. was it a rental car, who rented it, what led to the solving of the oklahoma bombing, the red alert information, does it come to residents whether it's going to go to the residents, look for computers, other material, other evidence that links this person or persons to this event. >> they were in no rush to blow up this vehicle because they can
get very useful information, right? >> very much possible. you're correct. >> they can quickly determine where that vehicle came from if, in fact, that was the vehicle that drove in to the regional center and that individual or individuals. jim sciutto, we still don't know if there were one, two or three shooters, even though the police chief at the time said there could be as many as three? >> that's exactly right. witnesses reporting that really from the beginning of this but, as we know, witness statements can be wrong, caught up in the chaos of the moment. we may be watching here now the possibility of another shooter or suspect taken out of that vehicle. at least the possibility is there, in addition to the body that we've seen on the other side of the street. but from the beginning, this one has been different. the possibility of multiple shooters, the weapons they used and the fact that they escaped the scene, that's extremely
unusual. multiple shooters, extremely unusual. and getting away -- i'll defer to tom here, but getting away from the scene of the shooting is also extremely unusual. >> they did not intend to be martyrs. >> the deadliest shooting since sandy hook, 26 people were killed then. 14 people confirmed killed here. and you've got to say, those law enforcement personnel who are standing there right near tom fuentes, right near that suv, they are risking their lives right now. this is an incredibly dangerous potential situation. >> i'm a little surprised by that. i think the eod personnel would have cleared them out and created a wider perimeter in case that car explodes on its own. it could be other things that set it off. so i'm a little surprised seeing that many people that close to it. >> another horrendous day here in the united states.
unfortunately, as i say, this incident happening and right now in a residential neighborhood in san bernardino, california. we're going to stay on top of the breaking news. don't go away. our coverage continues with erin burnett. and thank you very much, wolf. good evening to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm erin burnett and we are following the major breaking news tonight, a dramatic shootout between police and the gunmen on the streets of southern california. this is an ongoing situation as they are searching for other possible shooters. they zeroed in on a black suv that was believed to be carrying up to three gunmen suspected of a deadly mass shooting in san bernardino earlier in the day. now, here's what we know. police have killed one suspect. we saw that suspect lying on the ground outside that black suv. right now they are actively searching the area for other thssible suspects.