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hello, everyone. 8:00 p.m. in san bernardino where breaking news is happening. two suspects dead after the worst mass shooting since sandy hook. awaiting a news conference tonight and we'll bring it to you the moment it happens. this "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. a police shootout on the residential streets in san bernardino leaves two suspects, a man and woman dead and one officer injured. the suspects dressed in assault-type clothing armed with ar-15-type weapons. after a brutal attack at a conference center. 14 people are dead tonight. 17 people injured after this mass shooting in this mass shooting. let's get to the scene now in redlands where we will find poppy harlow. authorities are on the scene
trying to figure out what is happening in that townhouse there. >> at this hour you have atf here, you have fbi, local authority. just to give you perspective. they moved us back a number of times. we are about a half mile from the townhouse in question right here. what is going on? they are attempting to issue a search warrant inside. we don't know who that is for specifically. what we do know is that it is tied in some way to the horrific shooting that took place not far from here this afternoon. what we also know is that they're using a robot. a robot right now, as you know, they have used in situations like this before to go in, check the entirety of the house, see if there are any explosive devices. they are being extraordinarily cautious. they have also evacuated neighbors on either side of the townhouse, we're told and everyone who lives in this neighborhood has been told to shelter in place and be careful,
stay in their homes. you cannot get within a half mile of this house right now. >> poppy harlow. and any indication -- they are trying to execute a search warrant. i'm sure there is no indication from authorities as to when they will get the search warrant to go inside of this place. but take us to the scene. we are seeing a number of vehicles moving by. we're seeing police tape and roads blocked off. >> right. and they just keep moving us back further and further away because they are being so cautious. what you have is this fbi, police perimeter around that keeps moving back further and further. you have dozens and dozens of agents. scott glover, come in the shot we many. how many agents are when you were closer to the home how many agents were there? >> i could caught several dozen. this scene has been unfolding for hours now.
and initially there was a small police presence, maybe ten officers. as time passed they kept rolling in. >> let's talk about why this is so importants this location. it was tips in the aftermath of the shooting that led officers here. someone said something that led officers to this home. they saw the dark colored suv pull away from this home. that is the suv that had the two suspects in it, the man and woman who were killed. >> that's what law enforcement officials said this evening. and prior to that press conference that's when the police presence began to build. there were s.w.a.t. vehicles rolling out here. you saw officers dressed in military fatigues casing the place and more and more officers fan to arrive. at some point a robotic device was brought out of a fire truck. >> it's still in there as far as we know.
>> at one point there was a loud bang. i can't say if it was an explosion. >> was it a controlled dead nati -- detonation or what. >> he doesn't have an ifb. >> ask him, we were wondering. he saw the robot go in, did he see any people go inside or just the robot? >> you saw the robot go inside. did you see people go inside? >> from my fvantage point i coud see the robot going down the street. but i could not see once it turned the corner and see people making entry. it's clear they did go into that direction. >> poppy -- >> yeah, don -- >> i need you to stand by. we'll get back to you. deborah feyerick has new information for us. what do you know?
>> what we are learning now also is that authorities generated a lead that turned up the name of an individual connected to that home. so detectives were sent to the home in redlands and while they were waiting at the home a black suv with utah plates passed by slowly and sped up and raced by. the detectives gave chase but it was another police car that was looking for this black suv that actually spotted it, gave chase and the shootout ensued. the male suspect, a witness tells police was shooting out of the vehicle. it drove for about a quarter of a mile. and as the officer returned fire it appears that the female who was driving the car was hit. and the shootout continued for a while longer and both suspects in the vehicle were killed. again there is still a lot of questions as to whether there is a third suspect and where that
person is. but you have to get into the mind of the s.w.a.t. teams, of the police officers, of the sheriffs that are responding to all of this, there is a lot of conflicting information. and so they are responding quickly but they are trying to resolve what the questions are and try to figure out who is out there and how they are going to manage this. because -- and they are doing this all in a high-stress situation. a lot of duress. they are trying to work it out. but it was a tip on that black suv that led to the home in redlands, california. and that's how that you got these two individuals so closely, don. >> a tip on the black suv leading to the home in redlands, california near where poppy harlow is, and our producer scott glover standing outside of that. but deb, who was driving and who was shoot? you said the female was hit first but who was driving the vehicle and who was shooting out of it? >> ultimately both were hit.
it's not clear what order they were hit. but according to a source who is being briefed on this, the woman was driving the vehicle. the driver and the other gunman knew that they were being chased by police. a police car right behind them. and so the man was leaning out of the car shooting at the pursuing cop vehicle. and that's when the whole sort of gunfight broke out. but it appears that the woman was hit and that's when the car came to a stop. >> deborah feyerick reporting the breaking news this evening. saying a tip on this black suv that we have been watching on cnn where the two suspects were inside that's what led investigators to this home in redlands, california where they are executing a search warrant with a robot, trying to figure out if there is an explosive device there and if there is
one, how they secure it. and residents in that neighborhood and some in the surrounding area near that townhouse have been told to leave. but the rest of the people have been told to shelter in place. to shelter in place. as we are getting this information i want to bring in my experts now. and i want to talk to, let's see, jim maxwell are you there in philadelphia? jim maxwell is a retired fbi consultant. as you are looking at the information about how this went down and how the tip went out and how they got to the house, does this change anything for you? >> no, it's just good police work. everything seems to be -- or is starting to fall into place. how they got from point a to point b. and again, we have to go back and look at the pedigree of these two individuals of the people who died at the scene to get a full picture of what is going on here. if we can back up. i agree with the doctor's
assessment that this could be workplace violence. there could be a connection between one of these individuals with the location where the shooting took place. but the one thing that doesn't fit, the willingness of the individuals to engage uniformed officers in a shootout. that doesn't make sense to me. there is a lot of theories and speculation. until we understand whoa these people are we won't have a clear picture. >> why drive by the house, and slow down and speed up? >> i think they were -- they were busted when they did that. i could be wrong or they were trying to get law enforcement to engage them. that's a possibility. someone just wrote me on twitter and suggested that their spouse works with social services and they get threats constantly because they're taking kids away and so on and so forth. i don't know the facts with this individual and his wife or if they had a kid and if that kid
was taken away if that played a role in this thing. but i agree with the last assessment there as this unfolded, it was so organized it goes beyond the capacity of someone who is randomly trying to plan an attack. this had a structure to it and the scary thing overall is if we look at the tactics used overseas we can put together an idea of who is responsible for the idea of this by looking at the tactics that are used over there, the fact a woman was used in this could lead to something. the potential is there that goes to fundamental islam. >> that's the first thing i thought when i found out that a woman was involved. >> they can. >> of course. >> but the women in terrorism are almost always suicide bombers. >> but as soon as i heard that
that's the first thing i thought that they were somehow could be a possibility, maybe lean toward terrorism. >> let's get back to california where this is all going down. i need to get to kyung lah also on the investigation. you heard deborah feyerick's reporting. you had reporting about who these suspects are that they weren't sure of the names. but just what they did and what led to police finding these particular suspects. >> what the police at this point are still trying to determine is the exact relationship between the male suspect and the female suspect. what they found most curious about this and what we heard scott and poppy mention is how cautious they are being approaching the house in redlands, during the pursuit, the suspects threw a pipe from that car that quarter mile police chase, they threw a pipe from the car and it had a wick in it. it ended up being a fake pipe
bomb. but that's why they had to approach carefully. about 15 minutes ago we heard a detonation here. that's something that the atf said they were going to do. they have found some type of explosive suspicious device here at the original shooting scene. in is the scene where 14 people were killed. this is where it all began and because of that they had to approach this scene carefully and they are approaching the redlands house carefully. found on the suspects were a number of clips. they were heavily armed and they certainly appeared to be ready to engage police, don. >> stand by, the new information we're getting in, this is deborah feyerick reporting here saying after the shooting, authorities generated a lead that turned up a name and based on that, detectives were sent to the home in redlands and while
there a black suv with utah plates passed by slowly and then sped up and raced by. and a police car spotted the suv and then began pursuit and a shootout there. the male suspect shooting out of the vehicle. it continued for a quarter mile and stopped as an officer returned fire, hitting the woman who was driving and that is when they believe the car went out of control and they were able to shoot those suspects. cnn's evan perez is our justice correspondent and checking his sources. what information do you have for us? >> we can shed more light as to why they ended up in the house at the redlands. they quickly knew who the suspect was or one of the suspects was that carried out the shooting at the irc. that is the reason why they went to that home. and that's the reason why they have been searching all these the last few hours. they believed pretty quickly
they knew who was carrying out the shooting. the reason why this occurred was a according to law enforcement they believe that the suspect first was inside this holiday party, this christmas party that was being held by the county health department that this suspect was either tied to, there was a relationship with this event. and this suspect was asked to leave or was left the event because of an altercation or dispute, then came back and the shooting began. that's what the scenario was. we are told by law enforcement that it is possible that there never were three shooters and there were only two. the idea there were three shooters came from some of the initial witness reports which as you know often turn out to be inaccurate. that's now what law enforcement is trying to determine. we know that a third person was detained near the scene where that final shootout where the two suspects were killed.
we know a third person was a stopped, detailed, questions, the person has not been identified by law enforcement. we don't know whether that person has any relationship to this event. and at this point it is beginning to look like to law enforcement that perhaps what we are dealing here with are two shooters who began the shooting this morning at 11:00 a.m. at san bernardino and then were shot dead in that final showdown on the street a few miles away. >> jim maxwell, why would they throw out a fake pipe bomb? >> well, many times criminals will use a hoax device to slow down the response of law enforcement. i've seen it used in bank robberies where a hoax device has been left at the scene to slow down the response of the arriving officers. that may be what they had in mind. it may be a device that didn't function. until they do a complete
analysis on these devices that's a guess on my part. but a hoax device would be used to slow down law enforcement response. >> arthur roderick joins us now. my question for you is given what we know about these suspects, a man and woman, how they were dressed, what kind of ammunition and guns and artillery they were carrying, the fake pipe bombs that they engaged police, what is your assesment of this? >> obviously there was a lot of planning that went into this. when you have two people with aa ar-15-type weapons. they have a plan to get in there, a plan to spend a certain amount of time at that location, to get maximum casualty impact and then to leash and get away. you know, they could have very well planned this out and then underestimated law enforcement response, which obviously was
very quick, for them to come up with that location in redlands that quickly, i'm sure that the bad guys here didn't think we were going to be able to come up with that information so quickly. and we could have because of the quick response we could have stopped another location from getting hit also. >> the desperate search for answers after a mass shooting in san bernardino, california. we are awaiting a news conference and will bring that to you when it happens. a quick break. we're back on the other side. i'm there for bessie. i'm there for ray. ted loved baseball. dr. phil likes to watch football. renne, who wants sloppy joe on the menu every day. rosie's my best friend. evelyn likes to dance. harriett wants her fried shrimp as well. alice anne likes vanilla ice cream with chocolate syrup and rainbow sprinkles. they give me so much back. i can't even imagine how i could possibly give them what they give me.
inside trying to check on whether there is an explosive device inside and give authorities more information on that. and if there is how they secure that in a neighborhood where many, many people live. so we're standing by for that. in the meantime, president president obama briefed by his staff learning moments about it before sitting down for a planned interview where he called for tighter gun laws. >> the one thing that we do know is that we have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in the world. and there are some steps we could take not to eliminate every one of these mass shootings but to improve the odds that they don't happen as frequently. common sense gun safety laws, stronger background checks. and for those who are concerned about terrorism, you know, some
may be aware of the fact that we have a no-fly list where people can't get on planes but those same people we don't allow to fly could go in a store right now in the united states and buy a firearm and there is nothing we can to the stop them. that's a law that needs to be change. >> president obama speaking to cbs news in a planned interview just moments after this shooting happened. joined now by dan gross, the president of the brady campaign to prevent gun violence. good evening, mr. gross. you tweeted this and what most people were thinking. not again, at least 20 victims down amid active mass shooting event in san bernardino. how do you feel when you hear those reports over and over again? >> our nation is being terrorized whether it's these mass shootings that seem to be happening on a regular basis or
the 89 gun deaths that happen every day in our country and the president is right. there are things we can do about it. things that the overwhelming majority of the american public supports. the american public has had enough of the mass shootings, of the 89 gun deaths every day. and background checks is the right place to start. background checks are effective in keeping guns out of the hands just of the people we all agree shouldn't have them. but the problem is that the brady background checks that are so effective aren't conducted at gun shows or online. a convicted felon, a domestic abuser, a known or suspected terrorist can go into a gun show or online and guy a gun no questions asked. it's a sensible fix that 93% of americans support expanding brady background checks at gun shows. >> speaking of numbers, you're
giving numbers there. some statistics. let me give you a couple more here. there have been more than one mass shooting a day so far this year. when you define a mass shooting as incidents in which four or more people are killed or injured by gunfire. 351 mass shootings in 334 days. so why do you think we are all willing to live with those numbers right now? >> we're not. the american public has so clearly had enough. the problem is our destiny, our fate, our safety, our lives are being controlled by a small group of politicians in congress. and the american public needs to make our voices heard. we know that expanding brady background checks to all gun sales has nothing to do with a law-abiding citizen to buy a gun. so you know, we're not willing to accept it. and the encouraging thing is that the voice of the american
people really is coming together to rise up, to say enough. just tonight, we launched a campaign where people can text enough terror, that's what this is, enough terror to 877877 and in just a few hours, after hours we're breaking the senate switch board. we have got 3,000 calls in a few hours and we're going the keep the heat on and let congress know that the american public is holding them accountable. this change will come. we are seeing it happen state by state. congress is never the first to wake up. and their jobs are in jeopardy if they don't. >> can we put up this daily news cover? there is the daily news cover, dan, it says god isn't fixing this. and it's got the tweets from all of the news makers and all of the elected officials and
lawmakers about gun control and they -- you know, mostly from gop candidates but it says god isn't fixing this. >> yeah, i mean, religion doesn't need to be a part of the conversation. it's up to the american public to fix it. there a disconnect between what the american public wants and what the elected leaders are doing about it. 93% of americans support expanding brady background checks to all gun sales. 90% of republicans and 80% of gun owners and 70% of nra members. but popular support is not our problem. it's that disconnect between what the american public wants and what the leaders are doing about it. and the shameful, tragic thing is that people are dying every day as a result. listen, we just sent a letter to the senate today, warning them that it is a matter of time before a terrorist attack like
we saw in paris occurs in the united states. as long as any would be terrorist can walk into a gun show or go online and buy a gun no questions asked. there has been a video online that we talk about on our facebook page where this guy jihad joe, a famous jihadist is encouraging american jihadists to go to gun shows to buy guns no questions asked and he says what are you waiting for at the end? and as far as i'm concerned any congressperson who leaves that opening, whether it's in the name of religion or whatever it is, is actually agreeing with the terrorists. and we need to start holding these people accountable, not only for the kind of terrorism we see in paris but because of the kind of terror that happens every single day in our country. 89 people. there are kids every day who walk to school in chicago scared.
there are people who go to sleep at night hearing gunshots out their window and it doesn't have to be. we just have to keep the guns out of the hands of the people who are intent on doing harm. and we can do so much to save so many lives and prevent the terrorism, the terror that is happening across the country every day. >> dan gross is the president of the brady campaign to end gun violence. if we can put the daily news cover up again. and we have ted cruz running for president who says our prayers are with the victims and the families in san bernardino, rand paul saying my thoughts and prayers with the victim's families. paul ryan says please keep the victims in california in your prayers and the daily news taking a stance on this saying god isn't fixing this. thank you, dan, as we, you know, talk about this now i want to bring in our experts here, cedric alexander is going to
join us as well. jim maxwell is a retired special agent with the fbi. casey jordan is with us. jonathan gilliam is with us, harry houck is here as well. the president says, you know what, we need to do something about our gun laws, the people on the no-fly list no longer be able to purchase weapons in this country. does the president have a point here? >> i think there is always points to what everybody has to say. politicians sometimes there is a point to what they're saying, it's normally to get themselves re-elected. the fact is -- >> president obama is not running any more. >> i know, but he is the head of the democratic party. but in order to take the politics out of it, you can't just have background checks. i think background checks are important. but you have to have stiffer penalties for people who use these weapons, for people that
are associated with people that are using these weapons and selling them. here's the facts, once a gun was invented, it will always be in the hands of bad people. it doesn't matter what laws you do, how many guns you take away, the bad people will always be able to get them. as an fbi agent we used to do illegal gun buys all the time. we have to be able to expand that. you can take the guns away but there are so many guns in the world. you have to kick up law enforcement's ability to target these illegal gun sales and the people who are using them. one thing is clear, though, none of these things occurring have anything to do with climate change. >> it's getting a little far in the weeds. of course, the president in paris connecting at climate change to terrorism. listen, you believe this is
partially mental health, right? oh, yeah. >> if it has to do with mental health wouldn't a background check in some way help with that? >> absolutely. and everyone is always trying to make it this or that. is it the gun laws or is it mental illness and the answer is it's both. we have never actually tried, really tried to make a policy -- i'm in agreement with jonathan you'll never get the guns out of society. but why not make it so that people who are good can apply in a proactive way, kind of like you can get on that pre-checklist to make your tsa experience easier and get yourself vetted and do a background check that is similar to what law enforcement officers go through so they can get certified to be trained and have guns so the average citizen can get vetted the same way. and if you can't and have a
history of mental illness, paranoia, you don't get to have one. >> you see the podium. we are waiting a press conference and we will bring it to you live on cnn as soon as it happens. is that you jim maxwell in agreement with what casey is saying? >> the reality, don, is in 30 years of law enforcement, i don't recall ever arresting anyone with a gun who went out and bought it legally. >> exactly. >> i think we are barking up the wrong tree here. if you want to get a gun in this country and you are intent to doing harm, you can go out and buy one illegally. and those are the people we should be prosecuting. if you file an application and it's incorrect you should be prosecuted for it. if you make a straw purchase on a gun, you should be prosecuted for it. stolen weapons. all of the laws are on the books. it's a question of whether or
not we enforce them and how we go after these people. that's how you take guns off the street. going after and making a hurdle for a legitimate citizen to get guns is counterproductive. >> harry -- >> let him finish his thought. jim? >> and besides that, when you really analyze these issues we are talking about a mental health issue more than a gun control issue. you look at the people involved in these things. >> i can't tell you how many gun arrests i have made in new york city. nobody goes to jail. all the guns stolen, nobody goes to jail. the lie about a year in jail in new york, it does not happen. and that is why there are so many guns on the streets. if they can have a gun and not go to jail, i'm going to get another one on the streets. >> much more on the breaking news, the desperate search for answers after this deadly mass shooting in san bernardino.
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out. there is a robot inside or at least it went up to the door and broke the door down, trying to assess whether there is an explosive device inside of this home. let me tell you how police got to this home. after the shooting and again this information is from our reporter, deborah feyerick who is working her sources. after the shooting, authorities generated a lead that turned up a name. okay? and based on that, detectives were sent to the home in redlands. while there, a black suv passed by slowly and then it sped up and raced by. a police car looking for the vehicle spotted the suv and began pursuit and then a shootout ensued from there. a male suspect shooting from the vehicle, from the window of that vehicle, it continued on for a
quarter of a mile and then stopped as an officer returned fire because the driver, a woman, was hit. and as we know from the black suv with utah plates two people dead, one suspect a man, another a woman, both dead. a third suspect being held. not sure if the third suspect is being involved. and there may be more. they are not sure at this point. we will learn as soon as we get this briefing moments from now on cnn. let's discuss now. cedric, to you now, as you were watching all of this, you are a man of the law and have been doing it for years, this is pointing away from terrorism, to her it is a mental health issue, what is your assessment of this? >> considering the fact we have three people involved not --
>> possibly three. >> possibly three. potentially three people, that certainly does lead me to other ideas as to what may have occurred here. but here again, don, it's still early in this investigation. once the identifications of these persons that are made, there will be background checks that will give us other information that will tie into possibly as to what their motives may have been. this is very per electioning case in the sense how often do we see in the homeland potentially three suspects involved in such a heinous attack on innocent people. but it occurred in san bernardino. they went in and hit hard, hit fast, were not engaged by security or police and they got out of there. but what else is confusing in this is that they did not go very far from the scene of the crime itself. and that in and of itself is
unusual too. but i think a lot of the questions are going to be asked. in my 38 years of being in this business this is the first type like this i have ever seen. but i think we're emerging in this country as we see around the globe here, don, we're going to have to start asking ourselves tough questions. but as this investigation continues, we're going to learn more. but don't be surprised of what we do learn. >> let's talk about what we were told as we wait for the next news conference and the last news conference from the head of the fbi, the los angeles division or bureau, he said they were working along with san bernardino police and the atf working together. what stood out to many people is they were bringing in more fbi agents, agents at the house in redlands they were bringing in more. they said they were not sure what is in the house, but no indication anything is there. they are executing that search warrant on that house in redlands now.
we saw the robot going inside. and bringing in agents to work the suspect shooting scene and the redlands house. he said is it a marathon and not a sprint and cautioned everyone to step back a minute because they weren't sure what is happening. there is a lot being talked about on social media and a lot of names put out there. terrorism? not sure. possibly it is but we don't know yet. perhaps at this press conference they might be able to go down that road. can they learn that information that quickly, jim? >> it dependents how the intel comes in. as the fbi gets involved the fbi has database systems that generate a massive amount of information. and we have sources -- remember sources are a big part of this which we haven't talked about. the fbi has sources all over the world. we can start to generate and see if it is terrorism if we believe there is a potential it has to
do with terrorism. what we have to look at now though, is until they rule out a third shooter, we have to continue to treat this as an active scene and that's where resources start to get depleted because guys want to continuously work throughout this. you suffer from this in the news where a big breaking event happens and people are on all day to the point where they are exhausted. and then tomorrow comes and that is a major issue with this. how many of the officers are going to be ready when tomorrow comes. so they have to forward thinking these, giving people breaks, letting them sleep or eat and then return to the situation tomorrow. and that's the long-term marathon we're looking at. >> jim maxwell brings up a point. often in the beginning, people are anxious to get information out a lot of times the information in the beginning turns out to be inaccurate. and investigators say just stand still. let us do our work and we will
give you the information. >> that's correct. these things are very fluid. we have to have a structure set up where you can assess the information as it comes in, vet it and make the proper decision. we're dealing here with several parallel investigations. you have an enormous crime scene that spans three locations right now. you have leads coming in, people checking backgrounds, people checking weapons. finding out the ownership of that car. there are several directions the investigation is going in. and you have to give it time for all of it to congeal with the proper set of facts. and we all have to keep in mind that whatever the agents and detectives and police officers are doing out there could end up in a courtroom and it has to be done a certain way in order for that information and evidence to get into a courtroom.
that's the reason this is slow, meticulous process. >> and now we have this. >> this is cnn breaking news. we do have new breaking news here on cnn and for that i want to get to evan perez. what do you have? >> don, authorities believe that they have the identity of at least one of the suspected shooters in san bernardino. he is syed farook. he has tied to this event and it is believed he worked for this county health department that was having this christmas party, this holiday event that was the scene of this shooting that began around 11:00 a.m. in san bernardino. we now know that that's one reason they went to this home, the home where we've seen authorities now using a battering ram to get in and try to serve a search warrant and
figure out what else is going on here. at this point there is a lot that is not known. we don't know what the motive is. obviously the fbi has said that they are looking at terrorism as one of the possibilities here. but we're not sure exactly what it -- what the motivation is yet. the fbi still working on that, the atf is working on this, the san bernardino police are working on this. we do know that two people were shot in a shootout there with police just a few miles away from where this initial shooting took place. we do not know whether farook is one of those two people was shot. one is a male and one is a female we know from the fbi and police at the scene. again, syed farook is identified by authorities as one of the people who carried out the shooting in san bernardino earlier today and he has ties to this event that was attacked. this was -- he was an employee
for the county health department that was having a christmas party at this event. according to authorities, it began with the suspect being inside this event, at some point there was some kind of altercation or disagreement. he either left or was kicked out or left on his own and then came back to carry out the shooting. he is believed to be -- he is a u.s. citizen according to u.s. authorities. and at this point, that -- that is correct, he is a u.s. citizen at this point. and he is now believed to be the person who carried this out. the second person has not been identified yet. >> evan perez with the breaking news here on cnn. i'm going to get to my panel of law enforcement experts. this is what evan is reporting and deborah feyerick, evan perez and our investigative team working on this information. evan doing the reporting here. one of the suspects involved in
the shootings has been identified as syed farook. an inspector with the county health department. he abruptly left the event at the inland regional center before the shootings. the sources also said that the residence in redlands, california is connected to farook. it is that house where the chase began that led to the shootout with the occupants of this suv. the sources could not -- could not say for certain that he was in the suv, if he was the shooter, or if he is one of the people who is dead
right now. the sources did say, again, important information, syed farook is known to be a u.s. citizen. casey jordan take it away. >> disgruntled employee.
they can have arabic or middle eastern names as well. everything that was reported about him. going into this conference room going into this holiday party. the motivation always appeared to be intrinsic not. xtrinsic. terrorism and disgruntled employee can be mashed up. but this was personal and about a grudge. it looks like terrorism and he might like that but that's not what it was about. >> if the male body is
-- >> kyung lah is in san bernardino, california and you have information, i understand. >> don, i just confirmed with
atf they have indeed traced one of the four firearms that were found in this investigation, what the atf says is that one of those four guns was legally purchased. it was not stolen and the name it traces back to, they are not able to tell us that name but they say it is someone who is known by law enforcement, who is in this investigation. so that is what atf tells us, a person who is connected to this case, a name that they know, did legally purchase this weapon. that's the very latest from the atf. >> kyung lah, you are on the scene there. and there are other reporters behind you. the bulk of the action happening in redlands, california but there is action on the scene where you are because this is where it took place. >> absolutely. and they are still trying to clear this building. one thing they are specifically doing is we have heard a couple
of -- some booms. that's them trying to take care of this -- this device which they believe was a bomb. they were very concerned about it. they had to clear that and we believe that it is still happening right now. but remember, this is an extraordinarily large crime scene. there are 14 victims here. so you have that scene to take care of that we don't know how much bullets were -- you know, fired. we understand that this is a very gruesome, difficult scene in this auditorium and they have a number of victims. 17 people have been wounded. and an even larger number of witnesses that they have to interview and piece together a time line. this investigation is just beginning here. it is a very difficult crime scene. they are going to be processing this for some time. >> and just to confirm and clarify the breaking news you just reported here. the atf is saying that one of
the guns was legally purchased. do we know which gun? i think there were two handguns and then two assault-style weapons. >> two long guns. the assault-style weapons, and who handguns. that's what the atf is in the process of tracing. of those four one traced back and they say that gun was legally purchased. a name they can't reveal to us. but they can tell us that it is to someone who is connected in this investigation. it is a person known to law enforcement. >> thank you, kyung lah. evan perez had some new information moments ago. identifying the suspect, syed farook, according to his sources, you have more for us. >> one of the things that is at the top of the mind of law enforcement, what the motivation was. we know that the suspects carried out the shooting didn't stray very far. they could have gotten away and
killed a lot more people at the scene there. we know the atf is searching and looking at the bag they left at the scene of the original shooting there at the develop -- at the irc. which is the scene of the original shooting. and we know that that is something that they're looking at to see if there are notes left behind. and once they get into this home they will look at computers, anything that was left behind to see if that could explain the motivation. as one of your experts there just said this could simply be a variety of things. it could be someone who was disgruntled but motivated by other things. >> we have to get to the press conference right now. >> ideology or mind set that could have led to such horrific act. there is absolutely nothing that could justify and we stand in mourning, in sadness for what happened and we pray for the
quick recovery of those who are injured. thank you very much. >> thank you. next i would like to invite the religious director of the islamic society of orange county. >> good evening. i'm the religious director of the islamic society of orange county. we represent most of the mosques of southern california from santa barbara to san diego. on behalf of our communities, i want to express our sadness and sorrow on this tragedy that happened in san bernardino. our hearts goes to the victims and their families and the people who are injured. we pray to god to bless them and to give comfort to the people in difficulty at this time. we are with them and in solidarity with them.
also i want to condemn this action, this action of violence. it is a horrible violence, we have condemned all violence everywhere because human life is precious and we respect and honor the human life. we would like to see that our law enforcement will take full investigation and find out the motives and the people behind that and they will -- they should be brought to justice. that is what you expect and we hope it will happen. and at the same time, i would urge everyone to please do not implicate islam or muslims because what whoever has done that, our faith has not done, that our faith is against this kind of behavior. >> next i would like to bring up the -- can you spell your name, please? >> muzammil siddiqi.
>> next we would like to bring up the brother-in-law of the suspect to give a few remarks. >> my name is farhan khan. and i just cannot express how sad i am for what happened today. i mean, i -- my condolences to those who lost their life. i am very sad that people lost their life and there are victims out there. i wish speed where recovery to them. and again, i am in shock that something like this could happen. that's all i have. i hope everybody understand and
everybody get recover much faster, the victims out there. thanks. >> when was the last time you spoke to syed? >> i mean -- i spoke to him about like a week ago. with him. yeah. >> is he a religious person? >> you know, there is no comment. investigation is going on. you would know what it is. i have no idea why would he do that? why would he do something like this. i am in shock myself. a normal person -- i had a chance to speak with mr. khan before and he truly doesn't feel he is informed enough or anyone is informed enough to comment.
[ inaudible ] it is unknown to us [ inaudible ] and he feels comfortable sticking to his, he chose to be here to share [ inaudible ] today. so let's keep it that way for the time being until more information is available and he promised to be as available as necessary as more available is available. thank you for respecting his choice at this point. >> can you tell us what kind of guy he was? >> i ask and truly he feels at this point he would rather stick to that comment for the invest of the investigation. we want to get to the bottom of it "a." we don't want to undermine the effort of law enforcement by making a comment that could mislead the investigation or law enforcement. that could be a great disservice to the victims an their families. let's respect that for the time
being. >> is your brother-in-law's wife the woman who was the second suspect? can anyone comment on their relationship between the two? >> at this point i don't want to say anything. >> he hasn't been informed. he doesn't know who has been shot. >> i'm here because i just want to say i am truly -- the reason i'm here is you know, is to talk to the victims and to express my family, how sad they are, for what happened. that's why i'm here. i mean -- don't ask me what he is, what he was doing, how he is, i don't want to get into all this. please. >> did the rest of the family ask you to come? >> sorry? >> did the rest of the family ask you to come to be the spokesperson? >> yes. >> do they have children together? >> if it's okay at this point if we can just hold off on the
questions after the conference. next we will have reverend sarah -- >> is he the brother-in-law? >> he's the brother-in-law. >> so your sister is his wife? >> the suspect's sister is his wife. >> and what is the name of you're wife? >> he doesn't wish to reveal that at this time. if i can invite reverend sara to come up next, please. >> reverend dr. sara halverso halverson-connel. i'm here as a pastor in the christian faith. we recognize the darkness in the world and all of us