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right now with "ac 360." good evening tonight from san bernardino, california. in just about an hour, a vigil gets underway at the baseball stadium behind me for the 14 men and women murdered at a holiday party by a co-worker and his wife yesterday. we're just now learning their names and some of the victim's stories and will bring those to you tonight. in this stadium they will be honored so were those injured wounded in the attack. there will be no doubt tears in the stadium and we hope at least a small measure of comfort for a community badly in need of it. many people are lined up waiting to get into the stadium. there is no comfort nor rest for anyone in law enforcement or in homeland security tonight. the investigation is moving fast. they are scrambling to figure out what turned them into bomb makers and murders. pipe bombs found, a bag of them
crude devices no doubt, unreliable thank goodness and not nearly as deadly as they could be. a picture of the bomb rigged to a toy car that the killers tried but failed to detonate in the inland regional center where they took 14 lives. they are pieces of an ugly mosaic that could include wider ties to organized international terrorism. we may learn more when authorities brief reporters, already, though, we have learned plenty. you're watching the last images of the killers in their suv before they are shot to death recorded by a resident down the street from where syed farook and tashfeen malik lived. >> they opened fire first. rounds came from the back of the car from the female in the backfiring through the back of the suv at the police vehicles and then the male suspect who
was the driver got out and fired at officers from the street, as well. >> shots fired. >> reporter: the shootout in realtime heard over the police radio. >> one guy down. one guy in the back of the car. >> reporter: we now know farook and his wife fired close to 80 rounds. 23 officers returned fire killing the couple on the scene and today we learned they had an arsenal in the suv. >> they had over 1400 223 caliber rounds that were available to them and they had over 200 .9 rounds. rifles, assault rifles and .9 pistols with them. >> reporter: they would find more at the home, thousands of rifle rounds, pistol rounds, 12 pipe bombs and tools used to make ieds. jason simmons say his mother is a neighbor. how did they seem? >> like a normal family.
>> reporter: law enforcement says it appears farook a u.s. citizen was radicalized and in touch with more than one terrorisms is spect where the fbi was investigating. it's unclear if the suspects were overseas or lived in the united states. as of now, law enforcement is still unwilling to state a definitive motive for this mass killing. we do know a holiday party was underway at the inland regional center yesterday when farook left under duress according to law enforcement. when he returned, he and his wife dressed in tactical gear sprayed the room with bullets and left behind a homemade bomb. >> the suspects when they entered fired between 65 and 75 rounds from their rifles at the scene. we did locate the one pipe bomb that was actually three pipe bombs combined into one that had a remote control car type remote control device that appears to have not worked in the case. >> reporter: they fled the scene in the black suv and authorities
say a witness to the massacre identified farook that led them to his home. while police were there, the su vurks pa v passed by the house and sped off. it led to this, the end of the chase and the beginning of the larger investigation. for the why, the motivation and ties to any larger terror organization or ties to radical islamist ideology, no answers yet. pamela brown has more on that. she joins me tonight. let's talk motive behind the shooting. what have you learned and what are your sources telling you? >> reporter: it's interesting. officials said this is a case that does not fit neatly into a box and in many ways they are perplexed because it doesn't fit a certain m.o. they are looking whether this was an act of terrorism or workplace dispute or blend of both. what really has thrown off officials is that the fact that
the suspect and his wife had an apparent bomb lab in their home to make explosives and had tactical gear and apparently wanted to launch an even bigger attack. these are two people that were not on the fbi's radar. they did not have investigations open on them, so they basically flew into the radar of authorities despite the fact we learned today from sources that syed farook had been in touch over the years with multiple terrorism subjects the fbi had been investigating. i'm told those were not high priority subjects, they were loose connections but the fbi wants to figure out if something was missed and what those communications exactly said. they are also looking at his communications and associations overseas but right now i'm hearing, anderson, from sources there is no clear cut motive yet. >> i mean, it seems odd the idea
it's a workplace shooting. it's rare for a workplace shooting to have more than one shooter and it to be so preplanned as this was. wasn't the report earlier today that cnn had gotten about radicalization or potential radicalization of at least one of these killers? >> reporter: i will tell you in my colleague evan perez is speaking to his sources who say working theory here is that there could have been radicalization. i think there are a few factors leading them in that direction but the fact they had this cash of weapons and explosives, the fact one of them had been in touch with terrorism subjects, they are looking into the travel that syed farook had to saudi arabia. i'm hearing at this point from interviews from the family, from information retrieved from electronics, there is nothing at the early stage to substantiate that but again, very early. remember the fbi is starting from scratch because they didn't have a lot of information on
these two people and you're right, it is very rare that two people would go in and launch an active shooting situation like this. normally we see one person acting alone who is disgruntled. this is strange. every official i've spoken to says this is not your average case. >> u.s. officials and you mentioned they traveled to saudi arabia. this guy farook traveled there twice according to u.s. officials. is it his wife's family was living there. she was of pakistan descent but did they live in saudi arabia? >> reporter: that's right. they are trying to figure that out now. the u.s. government has been in touch with saudi arabia officials trying to get information. the indications they have now is that syed farook traveled to saudi arabia in the summer of 2014. he was there for nine days and they believe during that time he met his pakistan born wife. she then came here to the u.s. on a fiancee visa, later was able to get a green card and in order to do that, anderson, she
would have had to go through security screenings to get the green card and become a egg wle permanent resident. >> appreciate the update. i want to bring more expertise to baer. let's be frank, there is a lot we don't know and law enforcement doesn't know. i'm joined by bob baer and paul cruickshank. when we spoke last night while we were covering this breaking story, you said today we'll hear more about terrorism and have. what do you make of the piece of the puzzle that have come to light so far? >> we heard some. when you look at past terrorism attacks, at this point in time we would know what is going on. were they radicalized?
>> they would have more of a trail. >> this is very strange. this whole case has been strange from the beginning and we're even still to this point talking about possible workplace violence, which to me doesn't seem even possible. >> that's particularly strange, it's strange as a pure terrorism case and seems very strange as a workplace violence case. i don't know of many workplace violence incidents or school shootings except for columbine where you had two shooters. >> high-powered weapons, plan to actually do the attack and get away, i mean, this has all the classic signs of terrorists events that we've seen around the world. >> and to get away with more weaponry you could if they wanted to and maybe did want to commit other acts of violence. >> yeah, i talked to a lot of law enforcement friends of mine. they weregoing togotoanother location or possibly come back. >> to the same location. >> to the same location because
as you recall, the command post was being set up and they were setting up the triage. can you imagine the chaos if they came back and started shooting and throwing pipe bombs at that location? >> bob baer, what do you make of what you've heard? >> i think this was an act of terrorism. i don't buy the workplace violence. it doesn't fit bringing your wife, 6 month old baby. he hadn't been fired and i could go down the list and this isn't the nature of muslims or pakistans to shoot up a workplace. they don't do that. you look at the context of radicals, her background, the whole meeting in saudi arabia and also the tactics. let's never forget that. they hit that place fast, faster than the police could get there. they had these pipe bombs for disengaging, they didn't know how to make bombs, pipe bombs
are the worst you can imagine to use these -- >> bob, let me ask you about those bombs. because i know you have experience with this in your past life. those new pictures of bombs obtained by cbs news, what do you make of what you've seen? are they combined with the tactical gear? do they tell you? >> well, i think they were okay on the tactical gear and the weapons, the ar 15s are fine but that contraption they had probablies isn't going to go off. i doubt they had practice. if you do a command detonated bomb you want people with field experience on a range and even then it has to be encoded and very dangerous, very complicated arming switches. so i don't think they had much of a chance and that's what tells me that this is probably and they may have been radicalized but all the logistics were done here and they are lucky they didn't blow
themself up with the pipe bomb. >> when you look at the explosives, you don't see and because many didn't go off, you didn't see a level of experience with explosives which we certainly saw in paris? >> well, day one the cia when i was an explosive range don't use pipe bombs. they go off. they are hard to detonate. the timers and the rest of it is what armatures use. the ones in paris on the other hand were using refrigerators, specialized detonators. those people, the six bombs, i believe that went off were clearly experienced and knew what they were doing. they didn't detonate and went off except one, as i understand and that tells me those people had true battle field experience or at least the bomb maker did. >> paul, there were three explosive devices rigged to this remote control car that was found at the scene of the initial shooting and the remote to that device was found in that suv. is that kind of device a hallmark of tentany terror
organization? >> not a hallmark of one and we've seen report control cars being used before in plots and in fact, the boston bombings they use a modified remote control car detonator to trigger those two bombs, which caused all that carnage in boston. we've also seen remote control cars themselves involved in a plot in the u.k. in 2012 where british radicals were going to drive these remote control cars under the gates of an army base to attack the u.k. army in britain. we've seen in syria rebel groups use actual remote control cars, not toy cars, real cars, real vehicles that they power by remote control into positions they want to target and they there are also reports isis has been using remote control cars in syria and iraq to launch
attacks, as well. variety of different terrorist groups and i don't think that gets us closer to who they may or may not been linked to. >> another piece of the puzzle. we'll continue the conversation, bob, paul, art throughout our coverage tonight. there are so many parts of this to get to and i want to remind you, we're waiting to hear more from authorities and expecting a press conference last night when we had the press conference in this hour 24 hour ace gs ago we lot of information so stay tuned for that. coming up next, victim's widow and key evidence concerning local motivations, hostility between see yesterday farook -- farook and a co-worker. details on that next. advil pain relievers are used by more households than any other leading brand.
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a lot of developments on the shooting yesterday here in san bernardino and we could be just a few minutes away from learning a lot more. we're expecting a press conference from authorities. of course, we'll break in the moment that happen asks bring it to you live when they do. these press conferences told us a lot over the last 24 hours or so. tonight we want to know the
motivation, they haven't said whether this was linked to radical islam or something else. gary tuchman spoke to a widow of the victim that worked with one of the killers, syed farook and what she told him could be significant. >> anderson, jennifer says she was in love with a man that loved god, who was born again and very blunt and open about his criticism of the muslim faith. she says when he was at work, he e van gelized to everybody about his believes and she believes farook did not like that very much. >> wanted everybody else to have that same feeling and wanted to evangelize to everybody. >> did he with farook? >> i'm sure he probably talked with him and evangelized. my husband would discuss religion with anybody that would listen and the fact they were coming from two different
backgrounds but as far as i know, there had been no arguments or bad feelings or anything like that prior to what happened yesterday. >> you've been open to what your husband has said about muslims in the past. what has he said? >> yes. he's very upset about what isis has been doing and the radicalized muslims, al qaeda, the whole situation and his upset about the fact that the majority of the muslims, it's like they won't come out and do something about it. it's like -- >> do you think he talked to farook about that? >> he might have. >> and do you have any knowledge at all from anyone you talked to if at what happened at the function yesterday with farook? >> no, i know supposedly there was an argument and could have been an argument with my husband, i wouldn't be surprised. >> so just for accuracy, she has
no direct evidence that they had a confrontation or anything. >> she has no direct evidence that they had a confrontation or conversation about religion but she says he made a point, her husband, to talk with everyone working with the health department his being born again. >> they were together for 14 years and used to be with the health department in jj. they moved to california after they met on the internet. they were on a chat group, beauty and the beast chat group from that show and they wanted to have a love like love on beauty and the beast and he moved to california and the rest is history. >> thank you very much. again, a geepress conferenc coming shortly. we'll bring that to you. our panel of experts will listen and available to lend their insight. speaking of which, i want to continue the conversation with bob baer and art roderick and we're monitoring the press conference and will bring it
live. we may have to jump in with any of our guests. the fbi have have been coming through the mothers house but you said by now there should be more information in the pipeline. >> yeah, kind of leads me to believe they possibly, i mean, there have been some unconfirmed reports they might have tried to destroy hard drives and paperwork they had. it is just as unusual, either the fbi knows and aren't telling us or don't have a lot of information. >> do you have a sense how long it takes -- if information is wiped off to go back on servers and retrieve that? >> that could take a period of time. that would have to be sent to the cyber lab to have that done. so that's going to take a little time to be able to retrieve all that information, if they tried to wipe it from the hard drive. >> and text messages, anything, communication like that is something they look at. bob, cnn is told by sources farook was communicating with terrorism suspects from the fbi
investigating but farook was not known to the fbi. how far does the monitoring of potential suspects or subjects and the people they communicate with go? i mean, is that sort of a blind spot for intelligence officials? >> it's a blind spot in the sense that they are monitoring tens and thousands of people in the united states and some of them they have surveillance on, some they have warrants on, listen to the phones but they have to express, you know, they are moving toward an act. moving toward violence before they can really get on their cases and knock on their doors and search the houses. if somebody sympathizes with the so sunnies in iraq or syria, talk about jihads, it could mean working hard, it means struggle in arabic. unless the fbi seen it, one of these people moving toward an action, as i said, they can't do anything. so i don't think this is an
intelligence failure because they got everybody possibly covered. if he had had encrypted communications and the rest of it we're talking about something else but even at that point, the fbi wouldn't necessarily suspect him and this has been the fear of the fbi from the beginning. its people would move to violence that were completely off the radar. fbi agents, law enforcement officers told me over and over again it's what they can't see that scares them and this nightmare has come true. >> and paul, i mean, what is so scary is someone doesn't need to have even been overseas, someone doesn't need to be in direct contact with, you know, radical islamist to bekcome radicalized. they can get information on the internet and make decisions and there is plenty of information out there about making devices, how to go about this kind of stuff. >> anderson, that's absolutely right and we've seen both al qaeda, it's various affiliates
and isis encourage americans and westerners and europeans to stay home and to launch attacks in the name of the terrorist group but they don't have to link up with the terrorist group and get that training. al qaeda and yemen have been putting out a magazine called "inspire magazine" and put out more than a dozen issues at this point and every time there is a new how to guide how to do this or that terrorist attack and in the very first "inspire" magazine that went out in june of 2010 were, there were instructions how to make bombs downloaded in 2013 and a host of other terrorists getting involved in plots, lone wolf plots in the west. it may well be and the fbi are investigating this now that this couple downloaded a recipe from this very same inspire magazine that doesn't mean they are necessarily sympathetic towards al qaeda but may have found the
recipe there. it clearly worked in the boston attacks, anderson. >> i mean, bob, i remember when i was a kid, there were books you could get, i think the cookbook was the most famous that gave pointers on how to do this stuff. it's just grown from then. >> exactly. i think we look at the oklahoma city bombing. mcveigh went out and tested these bombs. they went in a field with them. you know, they are getting better. this is what concerns me. clearly the people in paris were very good. they were able to attack a couple targets simultaneously. they had combat training. and i think they are getting very much better on making bombs. i mean, frankly, i could teach you in a day how to make a tatp bomb with a detonator but you have to practice the whole day and i don't think these people did have that sort of practice. that makes them so dangerous because they are not out blowing things up and not going to syria
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well, welcome back. we're in san bernardino tonight waiting for another update in the investigation into yesterday's deadly mass shooting. california governor jerry brown expected to speak along with state, local and federal officials. we'll bring you the press conference as soon as it happens. authorities are releasing new and critical details. we're at a stadium where people are gathering in san bernardino to honor those who lost their lives. tonight we have perspective on the police response still playing out on live television 24 hours ago. first came the horrific mass shooting, which alone would have been a challenge. then came the intensive manhunt and a shootout and foot chase
after what police believe might have been a third suspect and an executed search of a bobby trapped townhome. here is how it unfolded minute by minute. >> shots heard in the area. >> reporter: it's 10:59 a.m. in san bernardino. the first dispatch calls go out and within seconds, information starts trickling in. >> subject is still inside the business. building number three. possible active shooter. >> reporter: several units start heading to the inland regional center. >> where on the building is he closest to, south or north end? >> so far i'm getting on the ground floor, a male all black clothing with a black mask. we have victims down. >> reporter: about four minutes after the initial call, the first officer arrives quickly assessing the situation. >> now we have two suspects,
bo both. [ inaudible ] >> do you have anybody with you? >> negative, i need two more units with me for entree. >> reporter: less than two minutes after police arrive, the shooters escape. >> being advice that one suspect fled in a black suv. was found from the location. we do not know if we still have an active shooter. we have two down inside. we'll make entry. >> reporter: turned out both killers left the bloody scene. once inside -- >> several down in the conference room. several down. several medical aid. >> reporter: some 300 officers from several agencies would eventually respond. they helped the wounded and secured the area, evacuating survivors from the scene. watch as this group is led to safety hands up even a child is among them. one of the officers tries to keep them calm. >> try to relax, everyone try to relax. i'll take a bullet before you do, that's for sure. >> reporter: but the killers still on the run. then before 1:00 p.m., less than two hours after the shooting, police have a lead on the
identity of one of the killers. >> i talked to a witness who said the guy sits next to him is a county worker was acting weird, lester ft early which he thought was weird and 30 minutes later the shooting happened. i have a name and general age. >> reporter: police seem to find what they are looking for. >> we got the suv with the utah plates. we're trying to catch up. >> reporter: they chase that black suv for about 18 minutes. >> we're at the water district. driving at a high rate of speed. >> reporter: before gunfire erupts. >> we're in pursuit of the suspect's vehicle eastbound from richardson. we got shots fired out the back window. >> reporter: this cell phone video shows the end of the chase, hundreds of rounds exchanged between 23 officers and the two shooters. >> right now we have one down outside the car, one down inside the car. >> reporter: by 3:16 p.m., more than four hours after they took
14 lives, both killers are shot to death. police would later find more than 1600 rounds of ammunition in their car and at their home 12 pipe bombs. the quick action by police possibly stopping even more planned attacks. >> still incredible to see how it played out. again, i'm joined by art roderick and assistant director of the u.s. marshal service and john is joining me, president of the police foundation and the former police chief in redlands, california. thank you for being with us. in terms of the investigation, what are the key questions you want answered as soon as possible? >> i think everyone wants to know why. i don't know that we're going to get to that. >> that may take time? >> i don't know that we're ever going to get that because the people that know are dead. but i think that local law
enforcement is going to continually ask themselves are there others out there? is this a one-time event with these people or is this the beginning of something else that law enforcement across the country will have to deal with? >> it is incredible when you think about the response by police, quick response, most of the mass shootings, fbi analyzed more than 160 of them over the last 15 or so years, most of them over in four to five minutes. police arrived very quickly on the scene and killers already left of usually but because of that shootout in, was it west hollywood many years ago, police now are more heavily armed in an area like this than a lot of cities in the united states and that helped because they were able to respond and shootout the vehicle. >> well, and it meant they were not out gunned. at the end of the termination of that pursuit, they were being fired on with assault rifles and because of the movement in this region of outfitting patrol officers with assault rifles and having them available to them,
those officers were able to return equal strength of fire, if you will, and that's why you saw so many rounds fired at that car so quickly was because most of those officers were using assault rifles. >> it's interesting just as whether it's mass shooters or terrorists learn from each other and study prior attacks to figure out how they want to evolve their attacks, police also learn from them and the fbi has been studying this and disseminates that information so law enforcement learned a lot about these active shooting incidents, whatever the motivation and how to respond. >> absolutely and you can see the training in active shooter or multiple casualty events changed over the years. i think you'll see another change here. >> really, this is going to be a learning incident. >> definitely will be a learning incident because i think what you've got here is this is brand-new. we haven't seen something like this before. whether it's a hybrid or whether it's -- >> whether it's an act of radical islamist terrorist m or
some sort of workplace related or hybrid of the two. >> whatever it is, this is different. we have to take this particular scenario and go back and look at the training and say okay, what can be different? there a possibility of multiple vents occurring here? would they have come back to where the initial event occurred and re-engage law enforcement and first responders? so that's -- this has to be looked at. >> tom fuentes, do you believe these two had planned to hit other targets? i mean, the fact they had other weaponry with them, so many rounds, these explosive devices, even though they were apparently poorly made, do you believe they wanted to continue on creating terror? >> i think, anderson, they may have but they also might have had a different target in mind in the first place and then went to this party and for whatever reason changed their mind and decided to attack maybe, you know, on the spur of the moment this location was the reason for the attack when maybe originally
they were going to go to a sports stadium or somewhere that had a much larger number of people at it. that we may never know. >> how crucial, tom, do you think it is to learn exactly the nature of the dispute that occurred at this party? do you think, is that just kind of a side, you know, part of this or do you think that's critical to understand why they hit this facility? >> well, i think it will be important to hear what the story was, what exactly occurred during that argument but i think we're never going to know what went on in their minds or especially his mind as to what triggered at that moment. this is not something that came up spur of the moment. they were planning this. and often in these cases, the people have grievance after grievance in their mind, maybe for a lifetime that just keeps adding up one on top of another until some point they go ahead and decide to take action but
not something that came up that day and with 5, 6,000 rounds of ammunition, that cost $1 per piece, body armor, assault rifles, a lot of money went into the operation, a lot of purchasing, a lot of practice. whether the pipe bombs would work, we don't know that right now but they spent a lot of money and a lot of tile getting ready for an attack, whether this one in particular or this just happened to come up and they decided to go ahead and do it. >> jim, how much have law enforcement in redlands in san bernardino trained for situations like this, the potential for multiple attacks? >> a lot and the training around active shooters changed completely since the columbine high school -- >> from the idea of building a perimeter and waiting for tactical units, now first responders go in. >> when you have an active shooter, i think you saw that with the amount of officers in this case that went in as fast as they could not only to the actual scene of the shooting but to that immediate area to find
them, right? they do a lot of training around active shooters as art said we'll see a change in the training about multiple sites and as opposed to the shooter staying at one place, they now go mobile. it's a hit and run. they hit someplace and go someplace. >> that is particularly taxing for law enforcement because not only do you have enough personnel to cover multiple sites but to have the discipline not to commit all resources to one site and potentially miss out on something else. >> it's more complicated and chaotic because you now have multiple geographies, multiple radio systems when they go into another jurisdiction and gets much, much more complicated. >> appreciate you being with us and we'll continue to check in with you as we await the press conference. we're just now getting new and tantalizing evidence. the latest on that next and also, why authorities are hoping the arsenal of ammunition and the bombs left behind can give them clues as to what caused the shooting. we'll be right back.
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a lot of new information coming in to us as we speak. officials about to start a press conference. we're going to bring that to you as they start to speak and give information. they are going over ground rules and names. awhile ago, evan perez let us know what he learned. >> we're getting signs at least investigators have signs these two suspects were doing things to cover their trails to make it harder for investigators to figure out what was going on in the days leading up to the rampage. they recovered two smashed cell phones believed to be fairly new, fairly recently bought and at one of the crime scenes and they found them smashed and so what that leads to the suspicion at least among investigators that they were trying to cover up their electronic trail, at least recent electronic trails, communications they may have had with anybody in the last few days and weeks before this attack. they have also recovered a hard
drive, one official tells pamela brown that they have recovered a hard drive and that hard drive showed signs of being tampered with. again, all of this puts together a picture of two suspects who were trying to make sure that investigators would have a hard time tracking back figuring out exactly what they were up to and what may explain this attack that was carried out in san bernardino. we do know that the pipe bombs that were recovered investigators are trying to figure out whether or not those match anything in catalogs for bomb labs that will do the analysis of these bombs, these devices recovered at the home there, anderson, in san bernardino and the arsenal and the number of items that were found, bomb making material really leads to the suspicion that something big was being planned and perhaps, you know, something other than the attack
that took place yesterday at the inland regional center and the question is what exactly that was they hope to be able to find more clues about that in some of the electronics, computers they recovered. they do believe they will be -- >> let's listen in to california governor jerry brown. >> for san bernardino for the families of the victims. we face a real threat but we have a fabulous group of people, sheriffs, policemen, fbi, other personnel. we're all working together and we have to rise above all the jurisdictions that we're a part of and we're working as one group, one people and my concern is to make sure that everything that can be done is being done and going forward that the state of california provides red sources and works very closely with both local officials and our federal counter parts to make sure we can protect the
people of california. when it comes to people who engage in these kind of vicious brutal acts, we'll spare nothing in bringing them to justice and protecting the people along the way. so i don't know what this means going forward, but i think we have to be on our guard. we can't take anything for granted. and i just want to assure my fellow citizens here in california that we're going to go just as far as we have to to make sure that public safety is protected. thank you. >> first and foremost, i want to thank the governor for being here. mike ramos, district attorney. i'm a fortunate district attorney. we're working corporatively with the u.s. attorney's office, u.s. attorney, decker and i can't tell you how proud i am of the team work of both our local agency, san bernardino police department, sheriff's department
and our federal partners, the fbi and others. and finally, as the district attorney, we are very saddened of the loss of the victims, family members, some family members of the attorneys in my office and we are going to be there for the victims. if you go to at sb county da on twitter, you will have a direct line for victim services, any other families that need support and help, we will be there for you. thank you. >> good evening. first of all, i want to thank you for your patience. as we've said from day one, this is a marathon, not a sprint. it's a tragedy that occurred. we'll continue to do everything in our power bringing all the resources to bear, the federal government that work hand and hand with the state and local partners on this matter. we continue to exploit all the evidence possible and as i've
said from day one, the evidence will lead us to the facts. we will go where the evidence takes us. thank you again for your patience. >> good evening, everybody. thank you very much for being patient. i know we were going to try to do this earlier, 4:30 is what we were shooting for. we couldn't quite make that happen but thanks for sticking with us. were we able to get the pictures up? so we have some pictures of the crime scene where the officer-involved shooting took place. we'll be able to provide digital copies of images online for everybody that wants them but they are pictures of the weapons, they are pictures of the suspect vehicle and a few others in there. we wanted to provide that. additionally, i got a few more statistics and numbers for folks just as an update for earlier from information we put out. as we said, this was a department of public health
event. as it turns out, it was an event that was training in the morning, transitioning to a holiday christmas party lunch in the afternoon. and this happened right about the time of the transition. there were 91 invited guests that were there. we believe that there were about 75 to 80 people that were present in the room when this occurred or that ultimately came to that party. we don't have the exact number because they had a sign in list and we're still working through some dynamics. we don't know that everybody signed in. of the 21 people that were injured, 18 of them have been identified as county employees. 18 of the 21 were county employees, the other three were not county employees. of the 14 people that are deceased and their identities have been released now, 12 of those individuals were county employees, county of san bernardino, two of them were not. and then finally, one of the
questions that came from the media is that you wanted to hear from one of the first responders when we responded to this on wednesday morning so i'd like to introduce lieutenant mike madden. spelling is m-i-k-e last m-a-d-d-e-n. he has a desk job really. the realty is at 11:00 in the morning he was on his way to lunch when this call out and didn't hesitate. mike was the first officer on scene and he was the first person that we had that gathered the first units that went in and addressed this. so i'm going to let mike kind of tell the story of what they experienced firsthand and then we'll take a few questions for mike as soon as he's done. >> thank you, sir. >> i guess i was just asked to come forward and talk a little bit about what it was we saw and
experienced yesterday and i'll tell you that it was something that although we train for it, it's something that you're never actually prepared for. when we got the call, i oversee dispatch, it's one of my functions and responsibilities with the police department and i know my dispatchers. i know, i know the tone of their voice. i know the severity of calls as they are going out and i could hear it in the dispatcher's voice this was actually happening, this was a real event and the event that we have an active shooter and active shooter going on in our city and i was nearby. i was less than a mile away. and i started coming this way. and i realized as i was getting closer that i was one of the very first units there, myself and officer sean sandoval arrived almost simultaneously and just out of pure luck because the information was
evolving so rapidly, it was out of pure luck i happen to pull into the right location, which was just south of the road that you see here, just north of us. it was just south of the building where this tragedy took place. as i was looking and seeing all of the activity and trying to assess what was happening, i was informed that there was, that that was the location where this was happening and i was asking for officers to respond as quickly as possible because we had every belief at that time we had people still actively being shot inside of the building. my golfs to assemble an entry team and enter into the building to engage the active shooter. this mind set and this type of training became fixed in us after the columbine training. we wanted to get in there and stop any further innocent people from being injured and possibly
killed. as three officers arrived, there was an proximate two-minute time lapse from the time i got there until we had a team assembled of our four initial responding officers and the four of us then went around the south side of the building. as we made our way around to the east side, it was immediately evident the reports we were getting was 100% true. there were victims clearly obviously deceased outside of the conference room and i relaid that information to the other responding officers and again, requested assistance. as we entered into the conference room, the situation was surreal. it was something that i don't think again we prepare for and they try to an active shooter, we talk about sensory overload, try to throw everything at you
to prepare you for dealing with that. what you're seeing, what you're hearing, what you're smelling, and it was all of that and more. it was unspeakable. the carnage that we were seeing, the number of people who were injured and unfortunately already dead and the pure panic on the face of those individuals that were still in need and needing to be safe. we asked -- we got as many people out as quickly as we could. we had approximately, i estimated in talking with the other officers who were with me, probably 50 people respond past us and out the doors and then we went further into the building and that was a difficult choice to have to make, as well, passing people that we knew were injured and needing assistance but our goal at that time had to be trying to locate the shooters
and deal with them before we could get further assistance in for those people in need of medical attention. i was very glad to see that in a very short period of time we had a number of other responders that came in and were able to form late tactical teams and then continue on with the search. and i was then able to pull back from the situation and go back into handling more of a sup supervice eerie role. does anybody have any questions? >> did you think there was still an active shooter? were you thinking about in terms of there might still be someone in the room and my second question is how are you doing personally? how are you handling this? >> first question there was we absolutely believe that there was another shooter. we were told that there were as many as potentially three shooters but again, we were getting information from
multiple callers and people weren't, you know, clear as to exactly how many shooters we did or did not have. some were seen potentially reporting double suspects and things of that nature. so we were told that one of the suspects had possibly fled in the black vehicle, prior to our arrival but there was many potentially as two more shooters inside and when we entered, there was fresh gun powder and the small of gun powder in the air leading me to believe that there was in fact, there were in fact shooters still. >> you are trained for this obviously but you talk to people you can never be trained for it when it happens. how emotional was it for you? it looks like there are tears in your eyes now. >> you know, you -- to be honest, you guys, it was a little surreal. it was, you know, you train for it and know that your job is
dealing in reality but it seemed a little surreal but yet, i did the job that i was supposed to do. my job is to go in there and, you know, people don't call the police because they are having a great day, they call because there is tragedy going on and this was tragedy that i've never experienced in my career and that i don't think most officers do. and so we had to deal with it and we had to help bring them to safety and try to bring some kind of calm to the chaos that was going on. so, you know, it just knowing, though, that yeah, we resolved that situation quickly but there is so much tragedy that's left behind. there are so many families as we go into the holiday seasons that are now going to have to deal with the tragedy that was left behind by this senseless act of violence. that's a little tough to deal with. >> you talked about the panic that you saw in people's faces, how do you deal with