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>> thanks for joining us, set your dvr to record "outfront." "ac 360" begins right now. good evening again from san bernardino. tonight new answers in the act of terror here that took a look at the act of terror. the picture originally obtained by abc news. about the same tile -- time they put up a picture and how they armed themselves and modified at least one of the semi and we learned more about what proceeded the shooting, the big question remaining, did the gunman argue with one of his co-workers or not before the shooting? the police chief here as just
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spoken about that in particular with gary tuchman and safe to say he made news which momentar the investigation from pamela brown. what authorities call this a terror investigation. >> today they have enough evidence, the last 24 hours for them to confidently say this is a terrorist investigation, part of that is this facebook posting that we know that the wife of syed farook posted on facebook pledging allegiance and deleted by facebook, i think that played a role in official's believing this was a terrorist about and evidence they recovered from electronics on the home and information on human sources and other means we don't know about they haven't been able to specify. i'll tell you, anderson, even though this is being treated as
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a terrorist investigation, we heard the director say a lot of this evidence doesn't make sense. it's not clear cut for them and the belief now is that there could be a myriad of factors at play with this attack. something having to do with the workplace because investigators are really focused on that. why was that targeted? there religious issues or did they plan something else and that day change? they are looking at that and whether the wife may have played a role in influencing syed farook. >> she had been living overseas. >> she became a lawful resident in last -- this past summer in 2015, july of 2015 she came over the summer before on a fiancee visa. so not married that long. what is interesting about that, she's such a mystery to officials. they know very little about her. right now fbi agents in pakistan are trying to run down everything they can about her. >> and raises questions because to even get that visa she would need to go through some sort of
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background check and raises questions about the check and has larger ramifications with the whole debate over refugees. >> dhs and state department. >> in terms of the possibility -- i mean, any evidence at this point of ties to a larger organization, direct ties to isis or anyone else overseas? >> right now officials are saying there is no connection they are seeing in the stage of the investigation in a connection between them and terrorist organization and they are saying they don't believe they were part of a larger cell but you heard director say this could be a case of self-radicalizati self-radicalization. this is a theory they believe could be reality. >> makes i have difficult to track if they aren't having larger connections. appreciate the reporting. evan perez is working his sources for us throughout the day uncovering especially chilling detail about the assault rifles used that can
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only be legally sold as semiautomatic, however, they can be converted to fire and full auto, hundreds of rounds a minute and there is evidence this couple did just that. evan joins us now with the latest. what have you learned about the long guns themselves? >> anderson, the long guns were altered after bought. officials say at least one of them was made to shoot more like an automatic weapon. investigators have found tools that can be used to alter the long guns and they also found large capacity magazines to use with their arsenal. so that's where the focus is is when that change was made. >> they should have had some sort of locking device, wouldn't they? >> that's right. state law in california requires that these types of long guns to carry what's known as a magazine locking device common recalled a bullet button requires a tool to release the magazine and meant to slow you down so that you can't quickly change magazines to keep shooting.
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>> and were all the weapons legally purchase and did they directly buy all the weapons? >> they didn't. they were bought legally in 201 1 and 2012. the ar-15s were bought by a friend, a former roommate, actually of farook's so the -- what we know now is that somewhere in between that period and the day of the shooting, they were either sold or transferred to farook and his wife and so the fbi was looking to talk to that person and interviewed that person today and right now what we're told is that the fbi does not believe that person had anything to do, any knowledge about this massacre, anderson. >> and finally, evan, last night on this program you broke the news about two cell phones recovered that were smashed and a hard drive that someone had tried to destroy, as well. do you have a sense of how long it may take to find out whether or not they can get information off those devices? >> those devices were flown back
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to d.c. to actually to the lab here to try to see what they can do to get into them. we spoke to the fbi director today and he said that that work was very much a priority because they want to know who those peep were communicating with leading up to the attack. that work is on going as we speak. >> all right. evan perez, appreciate the reporting as always. cnn intelligence analyst bob baer is with us here in california and former fbi assistant director and security analyst peter burgen, author of "the united states of jihad." bob, in terms of the sophistication of the operation, what have you been looking at over the last 24 hours? what jumps out at you? >> i think it was for them the perfect target because he knew what the security was and needed to do it quickly. he needed to know he could get out the back, that there were in police in the building. he clearly went and cased it.
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you know, from a professional standpoint, this was done well. it really was and the phone, smashing the phones. >> the fact they would want to destroy the phones, it would lead one to believe there was somebody they were communicating with that they don't want a trail of but could be them wanting to cover their tracks. >> this was too well planned for that. it's about 100% they were trying to erase any signs they were in touch with people and there was some wider network. was it in pakistan, saudi ara a arabia? was it locally? i don't know. >> peter, relatives of farook suggested it was his wife that radicalized him. obviously they would have an incentive to say that but say she was the driver behind the attack. what do you make of that when you look at other females involved in these kind of attacks? >> the question we've assembled a database of american recruits to isis and one in six of them
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are females and this is unprecedented when you think about previous holy wars against afghanistan and in bosnia or against the serbs, women were excluded. this is something new and not implausible she played the role. farook went to saudi arabia and it was then he got married and turned to a for fundamentalest and grew a long beard and became more devote. that in itself is not an indication you're going to be violent but something that the new york police department would look at as a marker on the way to radicalization. >> chris, as we were talking about with pamela brown, the fbi announcing this is a terrorism investigation. you called this the night of the attack, you and i were on the air together and you heard the
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fbi official making the press conference live that evening on the show, you said they are clearly looking at this terror front and center. in terms of the biggest priority right now, is it trying to figure out if this couple was part of a larger network because obviously, if they were, there are other bad actors out there. >> no doubt about it. they are ex end tpending a lot resources but putting the full-court press on is trying to determine if there are in fact direct ties. being inspired is one thing and that certainly is a brilliant strategy on the part of isis in the use of the internet and maybe they used the internet to recruit him a wife for the expressed purpose of radicalizing him knowing he lived in the u.s. and can move about in the u.s. but i do think that it's fairly extraordinary for the fbi to come out that early and send out the tips and indicators that this was in fact
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international terrorism, not domestic terrorism because if it's inspired internationally, it is an international terrorism case and they use very different techniques in the cases so it does make a difference. >> and peter, in terms of the wife pledging allegiance to isis, you said those drawn to isis are younger, more female than past terror groups. can you explain why that is or how? >> well, the why is kind of tricky but it is a fact that the average age of the people who are in the united states who are joining the females are 21, the males are 24. this is a young group that are active on social media. nine out of ten are posting on social media. they practice careful operational security. they didn't have the typical presence on facebook or twitter. i think they have learned from other cases where the fbi is perfectly legal for the fbi to
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monitor people who are posting sort of fan boy material about isis on facebook or isis and we've seen a lot of cases where they are informants. this couple was careful not to do that. >> bob, that raises the point you talked about the other night which is when you have a married couple, they don't need to be -- i mean, it's very possible they were communicating with others but a lot of the operational details they are working out they can just do pillow talk. >> exactly. that's why, why the phones? they would come home and could have made the bombs by themselves, acquired the weapons. why communications? these people are smart enough to get off the net, not use encrypted communications we've found so far. what was on the hard drive that was so compromising, what was on the phones and i've been told over and over again by law enforcement there are multiple teams in the united states ready to strike and they told me this a year ago and we talked about it on tv. >> peter, in terms of what we've
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already seen and in terms of arrests over the last several years, there have been arrests pretty much in every state. >> yeah, i mean, fbi director says 900 investigations in 50 states and we've seen publicly people being at least 80 people being arrested so far in 21 states so those are just the cases that are known publicly. >> 21 states. >> yeah. >> and chris, cnn obtained this inventory of everything the fbi sees from the couple's home. there are a couple things that stood out to you. i'm wondering what those were. >> the first thing that jumps out at me when i looked a second time, there is a pen camera with an sd card which, you know, that's not an everyday item that leads me to believe there was extensive surveillance, covert casing or surveillance possibly and what comes out of that similar card that sd card will be very interesting. of course, you look at all the bomb-making e materials, ammuni,
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this was a full-time job for them when he wasn't at work and i would be hard pressed to believe that anybody that walked in that townhouse wouldn't see all that. that would be very difficult to hide. basically everything that came out of that house has something to do with the event that the attack and terror rism. you're going to see possibly some other low-level aiding and abetting at the least from some people who -- some local people and possibly some very direct connections to international terrorism. >> that's interesting, the idea anybody going into that house would have kind of had to pick up on something. >> yeah, here is the problem, look from the fbi's point of view. these people haven't committed a crime or done anything illegal. they are -- >> prior to the attack. >> prior to the attack, yeah. they can't get a warrant to get
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in. it's what we can't see that disturbs us and that's where isis will come from, from what we can't see. >> bob bear, thank you. just ahead, more breaking news tonight important news to tell you about. san bernardino's chief of police has insight on whether or not there actually was a workplace argument that preceded the shooting, the narrative is changing on this if you remember early on there was a lot of talk there was some sort of dispute that this guy was there and left and came back and started shooting. the question is was there really a dispute? more on the weapons they acquired and how easy it was for them to do it. staying in rhythm... it's how i try to live... how i stay active. so i need nutrition... that won't weigh me down.
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terrorism, scrambling to chase wider connections or local connections and more gathering to pay tribute to the fallen to honor their lives and express the profound loss that so many are feeling here. that vigil now happening in riverside, california. that's not all, though. late today, san bernardino police chief jared spoke and gary tuchman joins us, there were reports based on i assume eyewitnesss that said there was some sort of dispute at the actual office event, what did
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the police chief say? did they know? there a dispute? >> i talked to the chief and sheriff here and they basically said that this point. >> was there or was there not an argument at the holiday party with this killer? >> we don't know for sure. we have initial information from a witness or some witnesses that left the party and provided information that it appeared that he left upset or under some form of duress. there is indication that he was there, there was nothing out of the ordinary and suddenly he was gone. so we have about 300 people that we have interviewed out of that building. we interviewed everybody that was in the party, what we haven't had the opportunity to sit down with every single one
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of those interviews and get a sense of the collective way that people. >> one person felt that was the case. >> is there thinking they were inspired by overseas? >> there is no indication from our perspective to that contact overseas or whether they are in fact inspired. i know based on they are looking into that and we consider and this is some form of terrorism in the united states. >> it is interesting and this could be very important because that idea of some sort of immediate dispute on that day, that also led to the workplace violence question in the workplace incident, it still
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could be, there could be a longer term issue in the workplace that we don't know about at this point but if there was no actual dispute that adds to the terrorism angle that this was something preplanned. >> i think that's part of the reason why you're seeing officials move more toward the terrorism angle. i will tell you as recently as yesterday morning the workplace dispute, workplace violence theory was still very much on the table for officials i've been speaking with and as more evidence has come to light and more clarity about the witness interviews and what they are saying and looking at the evidence, investigators are looking and saying wait a second, this doesn't seem like an isolated workplace dispute but terrorism and aren't taking the angle off the table. officials i've been speaking with are looking whether there was a blend or longer term deep seeded issue at work or religious issues or something to that effect that played into -- >> the choice of target. >> i've been throwing people off from the very beginning and today, why do they choose this
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place of work? why there? >> in terms of a -- if your angle is terrorism, which investigators say it was, you might -- >> a government target. >> you might go for something, more of a government target and symbolic target and meaning to it and in this case -- >> or a soft target like movie theater, a mall. one or the other. the fact what is throwing investigators off, the fact that he worked there and targeted that. that is as one official said, if he hadn't targeted the workplace at this point in the investigation, they wouldn't look at anything other than terrorism. >> keep in mind the horror of this, this was a group of people which had thrown a baby shower for this man six months prior to this. i mean, they had, you know, they viewed him as just part of their office. i talked to two people we'll hear from shortly who said look, he was one of them. >> i mean, i asked the police chief and i asked the sheriff do you have any idea if there wasn't a dispute? like they said, they talked to
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one person that said there was a dispute and everyone else said there wasn't. any idea why he went there? he knew the people there and the people knew him. >> the evidence is not adding up and this is part of why he says that. >> interesting. gary tuchman and pamela brown, thank you. there is evidence these two may have converted at least one of the semiautomatic rifles into a machine gun turning assault style rifle into the real thing. in any case, whatever they did to them they had no trouble acquiring them, a lot of them legally. cnn senior investigative drew griffin explains. >> reporter: four guns, ammunition, tactical gears and more. by cnn's calculations, everything the killers used to kill 14 people could have been purchased easily and legally for less than $5,000. and according to a family attorney, the use of guns was
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nothing alarming, not even when you add up 6,000 rounds of ammunition. >> when people have guns and ammo, a lot of times they go to shooting and firing ranges, they waste a lot of amy. >> it was the colorado theater shooting that exposed to the public how easy it is to assemble an arsenal. all shipped anonymously through online purchases. he bought tear gas can nisers, tactical gear, magazine holders and 4,300 rounds of ammunition from a company called bulk a clinton was on the other end. >> that is disturbing. if i can go and fully equip myself that easily, it's ridiculous. >> reporter: in most states you can buy as much as you want. in 1986 congress passed and president regan signed the protection act which restricted sales of fully automatic weapons
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but also pretty much removed any rules about buying ammunition. it made it legal to buy ammo through the mail and dealers don't have to keep track of anyone who buys ammo, no matter how much. >> ammunition sales is not regulated. to sell ammunition you don't have to have a license. no one knows who is selling ammunition and to buy ammunition, you don't have to provide any identification, at least since 1986. >> that's 500. >> reporter: the ease of buying ammunition is literally celebrated on youtube videos called unboxes. >> so as you can see here, this is 9,000 rounds of .9 lure. >> reporter: it's almost as easy to build a pipe bomb. the killers had 12 of them, simple bombs with pipe components bought in hardware stores, black or smokeless powder you can buy by the pound and a terrorist magazine that
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takes you through a step by step promises a bomb. the bombs in california didn't work similar, cheaply made bombs in boston did. cheap, easy and everything needed purchased legally. >> drew griffin joins us. one of the big questions, drew, in the boston marathon bombing case and apparently in this case, how could they be making bombs in small apartments and no one knows or notices, hard to believe. >> that was certainly the case. tamerlan tsarnaev put together pressure cooking bombs together on a table in an apartment. we're led to believe his wife didn't know and in this case seems stranger because you have a mini pipe bomb factor new in this townhome we've been able to tour and the other in law is living there and nobody notices anything with the tools and pipe bombs? it just doesn't make any sense really logically speaking but
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we'll have to wait to see what the agents say. >> yeah, drew, thank you for the reporting. just ahead, a 360 exclusive, you'll hear from people inside the conference room and got caught up. all of this crucial to the unfolding investigation. that's next. you can't predict the market. but through good times and bad... t. rowe price... ...we've helped our investors stay confident for over 75 years. call us or your advisor.
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the husband and wife terror team, abc news obtained this photo of the wife she submitted for a u.s. visa application that said she pledged her loyalty to isis in a facebook post as the shooting was happening and an interview you'll only see here. for the first time, two survi r survivors speaking out about the attack itself. both supervisors were among contco county health workers taking part in a training session and were supposed to give a presentation and what they witnessed is beyond horrific and agreed to talk to us because they want to honor their fallen colleagues and told us they don't want to talk about what they witnessed and of course we agreed to honor their requests.
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how are you doing? >> minute by minute, i think trying to stay as strong as possible right now. >> how are you? >> the same thing, knee each of these individuals that were affected at this event personally and it's been hard but there's been a lot for us to take care of that's kept me distracted from really thinking too deeply about it at this point. >> what was this event that day? >> it was an educational meeting. corwin and i were there and were going to give a presentation, department presentation. i was there to thank all of the staff for all the incredible things they have done throughout the year and we were going to talk about all the exciting things that we were looking forward to for 2016. >> you got there about an hour
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before the shooting? >> we did, we did. we got there a little after 10:00. >> did you see when the two came in, when the incident began or did you see instantly what was happening? >> yes. i mean, i was at the back table that was near the exterior door -- >> because we were on break at the current time. >> so i was at the table getting coffee and checking out the goodies that were sitting there and it was that point in time, you know, when we all heard gunfire right outside the door and all turned to look at the door to watch him come in. >> is there anything else you want to say about what happened from then on in terms of in those moments? >> i mean, i think just instinct kicks in, adrenaline kicks in.
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you know, they are such an amazing staff, you know, i was under the table with some of the staff and we just kind of held on to each other. >> so there were tables that you could try to hide under? >> the tables with the food, yes, we -- as soon as we saw him come in -- >> the rest of the staff had tables, too, some less exposed, more exposed than others. immediately i saw before i went under my table, people going under their tables throughout the room. >> try to find safety. >> did you have a sense of how long it went on for? i know often time people lose the sense of time in something like this. >> realistically, no, i mean, it seemed like it was forever. it seemed like it went on forever. >> it did. it seemed like the shooting just went on forever. >> and all i could think of is
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why doesn't he stop? why, why, why does he keep shooting? >> did either of them say anything? >> i never heard anything spoken. first thing when the door flew open, immediately the shots started being fired. >> and you didn't hear anything, either? >> them speaking? no. >> did you know both the perpetrators? >> i did not know either of the individuals. >> there's been a lot of questions about an altercation or some sort of a dispute either at the event. do you know anything about that? did you see anything? >> we're unaware. >> no, and i didn't wness anything, either and we were there for almost an hour before the event occurred and so there was no indication of any -- nothing that i observed of any altercation whatsoever. >> so if there had been some large altercation or dispute in the one room -- >> it would have been very obvious and we would have either
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stepped in or our supervisors would have stepped in but nothing. there was nothing that occurred. >> in terms of the behavior of the two while it was happening, did you have a sense it was one person leading and one following or could you not really tell? i know it happened fast? >> for me i was under the table pretty quick and i didn't see a whole lot. >> did they stay in the same spot or walk? >> there was a little bit of movement. >> i think for me, i just saw -- i saw one person come in and then i saw two people leave. so -- and i don't know if that was simply because i ducked, you know, before the second person came in but i didn't really see any interaction between the two individuals. >> and this staff had actually given a baby shower to -- for this man, is that -- >> yeah, that's my
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understanding. i vaguely recall something like that occurring among the environmental health folks. they did some recognition. i think the baby was born about six months ago. >> does that stay in your mind as something -- when i heard that, that sort of stuck in my mind as this person is killing people who gave a baby shower to him. >> you know, i mean, it's -- the fact that they gave him, you know, a baby shower i think is indicative of the whole group. they are close knit, they are tight. they are -- they are a family. you know, they -- this is a group that they are beyond just co-workers. i mean, they are friends and they consider each other part of their family. and so -- and that's how they treated everyone. >> is there anything else you want people to know? >> i think i want folks to know, i mean, especially my -- the
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rest of my public health family, the rest of our county family, you know, we're certainly thankful for the outpouring of support from everyone, but i need folks to know, we are strong. we are strong. we will get through this. we are together. we are a family. we will get through all of this together. >> thank you both, i really appreciate it and -- >> thank you. >> thank you. there's a lot of grief there and a lot of pain for all those who have lived through this and a lot of sense of loss, obviously. if you want to make donations, they gave us some information you can text sb united, that's sb united all one word 21 and then -- i'm sorry, someone is telling me this in my ear.
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sb united 71777. so text sb united 71777. just a few minutes ago, we got a statement from the family of deni denise to honor a man named shannon johnson that saved denise's life. this is shannon johnson, wednesday morning at 10:55 a.m. we were seated next to each other at a table joking about how we thought the large clock on the wall might be broken because time seemed to be moving so slowly. i would never guess five minutes later we would be huddled next to each other under the same table from over 60 rounds of bullets being fired across the room. the letterer goes on. i'll always remember his left arm wraps around me holding me as close as possible next to him behind that chair and amidst the chaos, i'll remember him saying these three words, i got you. i believe i am still here today
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because of this amazing man. this amazing selfless man who always brought a smile to everyone's face in the office with his lively stories about his hometown back in georgia. this is shannon johnson who will be deeply missed by all. this is shannon johnson, my friend, my hero. just ahead tonight, a lot more to tell you about, more breaking news in the investigation, the fbi combing through the digital trail that the killers tried to destroy. what they are looking for and how difficult it may be to retrieve data from smashed cell phones and hard drives when we continue.
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tonight's breaking news, the san bernardino massacre now officially a terrorist investigation with the fbi in charge. it's been a day of fast-moving revelations. abc news originally obtained this photo of the female shooter tashfeen malik. the first photo we've seen of her. part of a visa application and she declared loyalty to isis on facebook at some point while the
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incident was going on. how she and her husband became radicalized and why they targeted a room full of his co-workers, that's a history to law enforcement. the couple tried to cover their trail. >> we have also uncovered evidence that these subjects have -- they attempted to destroy their digital fingerprints. for example, we found two cell phones in a nearby trash can. those cell phones were actually crushed. we have retained those cell phones and we do continue to exploit the data from those cell phones. we do hope that the digital fingerprints that were left by these two individuals will take us towards their motivation. that evidence is incredibly important. >> motivation and potentially anybody else that may be involved. investigators are hoping to retrieve vital data. joining me is sean henry, former fbi executive director and cnn
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law enforcement analyst art roderick, former assistant director for the marshall service. authorities finding the smashed cell phones used by the suspects in a garbage can. we reported evan perez said they have been sent to the fbi forensic lab. if they were trying to erase a digital footprint, can authorities get data off the phone? >> it depends the tactics they used to erase the data depending on how that was done, the fbi has certain capabilities, software applications that will allow them to retrieve, if not the totality, partial pieces if those devices were physically destroyed, there still are ways they may be able to reconstruct, not 100%. alternatively through isp, the providers as well as some of the companies they may have used for applications, they may be able to find information stored off of the devices that they thought was only stored on the devices however was stored elsewhere. there are multiple channels to
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try and pursue, anderson. >> you've had along career, art, tracking down fugitives here in the united states. how hard is it for somebody to cover their tracks or how easy is it? >> if you can -- every one of these criminal case, every fugitive case i've worked we try to get to the communication device whether a cell phone, computer, whatever they were using to communicate with support systems or to get resources. once we got a hold of that device, we could exploit it either track through tracking or monitoring their messaging and it would always come back to that particular devicdevice. so it's key in the investigations. >> i keep coming back to the fact this is a married couple and have the advantage maybe there is a larger network but certainly have the advantage of being in the same place and they don't need to communicate with each other. they can do that face-to-face. >> they can but when you look at like the stuff that's been seized, we saw several of the
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inventory lists of the stuff that's been seized, there was a lot of equipment in there whether it was accessories for weapons, you know, where did they get all this stuff? who helped them get the gun powder for the explosives and helped them put those things together? there had to be some other support system and that's what they will find on these cell phones and hard drives. >> i assume also it's not just who they are communicating with but the websites they are visiting and information they are downloading, are they learning about bomb-making from something online or is it -- if they haven't done that, does that mean it was somebody face-to-face teaching them? >> that's abosolutely right. where are they getting the information, where with all to construct the devices and we're talking all along since this occurred, what was the motivation or how were they radicalized and if they are
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connected with specific websites or if they are being pushed specific information either from external place or from internal, internal radicalization. that will be one of the major pieces there, anderson. >> how long do you think, art, it may take to get information. how complex is this? >> based on how much damage they did to this equipment is really what it's going to come down to but i think they should be able to tell at least fairly quickly if they will be able to get anything at all. it may take more time. sean talked about the software packages out there that the burro uses the secret service uses, anybody involved in this type of cyber stuff they are able to pull that information off. that could take some time but i think they will know fairly quickly if they will get anything at all. >> and sean, apparently authorities also found another cell phone on the female suspect with no apps or encryption
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services on it. it shows it was only used recently. does that tell you anything. >> it may have been a device after this last one was destroyed. we've seen in many cases terrorist cases where they are dropping phones, they got burner phones and by constantly changing up communication strategies, they are trying to throw law enforcement off the track. that device while it might not have specific applications perhaps there are photos or gps coordinates that might have been secured within the device. they will certainly go through it in totality to ensure they pulled the threat completely and there is nothing else there of any value, anderson. >> yeah, let's hope they get something and get it quick. still ahead, we remember a life cut short by the attack here in san bernardino. robert adams was the kind man that married his childhood sweet heart and cherished every moment as a husband and as a new father. you'll hear from his wife, next.
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can you tell me about robert? >> sure. my husband robert adams was a very devoted father and husband. robert and i have been together since we were teenagers. >> you were high school sweet hearts. >> we didn't go to the same school but we were together. been together 23 years and married for 15. >> how did you first meet? >> we met at church and i was 15 years old. >> what was it about him? >> he was funny and i think anybody that met robert would say that he had an excellent sense of humor. he was a prankster. he was funny. he was whitty. >> did he do pranks on you? >> not on me but i know, i know he just liked to have a good time and he would always said he loved to make people laugh and he -- that's what really drew me to him initially and he was
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affection and loving, devoted, there was not a day that went by that i didn't know that that man didn't love me more than anything on earth. >> that's an incredible gift. >> it is. it is and when we were younger, we decided we didn't want to have kids and as we ventured into our late 30s, we started to change our minds but i was still a little scared and he said, don't worry. you're not going to be alone. i'm going to do this with you. you'll have a lot of help. but i am alone now. but i'm so grateful that i still, that i do have a daughter and i have a piece of him that will always be in my life. >> she looks a lot like him. >> she looks just like him and he loved her more than anything on earth. he would just said he couldn't believe we made an amazing little human. last weekend i said to him thank you for taking care of my daughter and he said what are you thanking me for? she's my daughter, i'm not a
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babysitter. i'm not taking care of her. this is what i do. that's just how he approached everything, everything in life he was very positive. very happy person. who loved everyone and he was very helpful, giving the biggest heart ever. very generous. and -- >> and savannah is 20 months old. >> she turned 20 months old the day before this happened and she just recently kind of fell in love with mickey mouse and he was -- we weren't going to take her to disneyland until she was much older but because she likes micki so much, he convinced me that we should go to disneyland and we took vacation days for next thursday and planning our first trip to list kndisneyland was really excited to see her there and see it through her eyes and he was excited for christmas. it would be her first christmas she could get excited and understand what was happening and he was really into the holidays. we'll go get our tree and took her for pictures with santa last
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week and he was just really involved and really excited to see things he was looking forward to future years. he loved science and said i can't wait until she's older and i'll teach her about science. that speaks to his career. >> does it seem real? >> you know, i go through i'm sure just like a lot of people, moments of times where i think of happy memories and i may laugh and smile and i think about robert i go through moments of immense grief where i'm he is tysterical and moment shock and disbelief. this morning i went and made his arrangements for his burial and it was extremely hard and his -- i also asked people to think of his family, his mother and his father and his brother and his extended family. they are having an extremely hard time, as well, but i want to thank people for the outpouring of love and support. i feel love and supported by the
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community here where we live, from his co-workers. >> incredibly strong. >> i don't feel strong. you know, robert was my -- i always said robert was the perfect compliment and balance to me. i was kind of the serious and logical and people that know me, and he was the fun, spontaneous and playful guy and we made a great pair together. but i don't feel strong. i feel like i've always needed him and he's always needed me and it's hard to imagine that my life won't include him anymore physically being here with me. i loved him more than anything and he loved me. and i have no regrets about that. i know for certain. >> well, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we want to let you know that a go fund me page has been set up. it's go fund me page set up to help the family.
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you can see it on your screen. head to in addition as we mentioned a few moments ago, arrowhead united way established a fund to help all those survivors affected. donations again can be made by texting sb united one word to 71777. that's sbunited to 71777. still ahead, more on the investigation here. the fbi calling this an act of terrorism. new details ahead. ♪
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thanks for joining us. 6:00 p.m. here in san bernardino tonight investigating the killing of 14 people as an act of terrorism and the first look at the female half of the husband and wife terror team that carried out the attack. the picture obtained b