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debate. they face off next week, december 15th. you can follow us on twitter. please tweet me @wolfblitzer. please be sure to join us here in the situation room. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. san bernardino's husband and wife killer, both were radicalized for quote quite some time. the family attorney my guest tonight. plus much more on donald trump's new plan. a ban on all muslims entering the united states is this too far? trump's spokewoman our guest. and the number of foreigners joining the fight for isis more than doubling. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett.
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we begin with breaking news. new evidence tonight that the san bernardino killers were radicalized for some time. that is according to the fbi. which tonight is also revealing that a bigger plot to kill may have been in the works. also new tonight, we are learning that an additional 19 pipes which could easily have been turned into bombs were found in the apartment belonging to syed farook and his wife, tashfeen malik. we are learning that the couple practiced their shooting skills at a firing range and practiced together days before the massacre. this is when they came into the united states in july of 2014 from saudi arabia. malik and farook are going through customs at o'hare international airport in chicago when they came back from saudi arabia. in a moment i'm going to speak exclusively to the attorney representing farook's family, but first, i know we're learning more about the shooters. >> reporter: much more, especially through the fbi revealing some key things in
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this news conference. there was extreme planning. that there was practice by these two. but also the radicalization that they were equally radicalized, it had happened for some time and all of this happening undetected. investigators now say they were a couple equally united by marriage and their desire to unleash terror. the wife, pakistani native, tashfeen malik, and her american born and raised husband, syed rizwan farook. >> we believe that both were radicalized and had been for quite some time. >> reporter: what we don't know yet is how or when. the fbi says the couple secretly planning jihad in the garage, finding 19 pipe bombs that could have been used in a larger attack. and just days before the massacre the couple testing their guns with target practice at a gun range in the area. seeking answers about
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29-year-old tashfeen malik, pakistani intelligence officials raided her childhood home in the southern city of mull tan. she spent her early years in pakistan, was raised in saudi arabia. then returned to pakistan for college. an area rife with poverty and religious extremism. we spoke with a journalist who grew up near malik and has been speaking to her family is. >> we're sure of the extremism in this area. very, very important up. 2007 to 2012, it's a key point. here you witness the change. >> reporter: a change to more conservative views of islam. her teachers tell cnn they didn't see it. one instructor vaguely
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remembered her as a good pharmacy student. >> she always remained busy in studies. i don't think she was more religious or like that. the majority of our children they are -- with the veil and a burka. this is not unusual behavior. >> reporter: 28-year-old farook was always devout, coming to pray at the mosque more than once a day. he never talked politics. he had a good paying job and family. he shared pictures of his newborn baby at the mosque. >> he was very happy and he said he was planning on doing the masters. it's surprising. >> reporter: a double life say those who prayed with him. encouraged they believe by online radicals. >> i can't go and look at a person's ip address and see the web history and see what he's doing, who he is talking to. but we know that this counterterrorist experts they
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have the opportunity. >> reporter: what is scary and frightening to those who knew him at the mosque is that they have known before what the profile might be. perhaps a young man, someone who didn't have a job, might be spouting politics very, very loudly. in this case that didn't exist. this is a guy who had a good job, had family, a newborn. that's what they say is so frightening about this. >> so frightening and hard for anyone to understand. thank you. and now one of the attorneys for farook's family, david chessly. the fbi is saying today farook and his wife had been radicalized for some time, in their words. can you define those words in quotes for some time? >> well, i really can't speak about the facts of the case right now as it's still coming out. i would like to make a preliminary statement on behalf of the family. i know that they wanted me to say that that i are -- they are
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devastated and deeply saddened by this event and their thoughts and prayers are going out to the victims. >> on friday i know you said there wasn't enough evidence at the time to convince you this was an act of terror. the president of the united states obviously said it's clear that the two individuals had gone down a dark path of radicalization in his words. the fbi found 5,200 rounds of ammunition in that apartment. the materials for pipe bombs. are you comfortable calling this terror now? >> um, with regard to syed and tashfeen, no one is denying the statements that are being made by fbi and law enforcement. also i would like to say that we're acting in full cooperation with law enforcement. >> the fbi is looking into it at this point. they acknowledge that they're investigating reports reports
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that tashfeen malik, his wife may have radicalized him. does the family think that's a possibility, that that is likely, that she was the one who radicalized him and she is the one who led this attack? >> like we said many times before, syed and tashfeen, they were very isolated. and honestly the family was completely surprised and devastated and have been crying for the past, you know -- since wednesday. since the time of the incident and praying about the event. but no one had any knowledge. if anybody would have, they definitely would have done something to stop it. unfortunately, that didn't exist in this case. it was a complete shock and everyone was confused and surprised that this took place. everyone in the family. >> when you talk about that and how they've been crying and praying, a lot of people out there question that. how could this family not have known? for example, his mother.
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farook's father in an interview with an italian newspaper called his son a mama's boy. said his mother was just as religious as the son. she was living in farook's apartment. she was interviewed by authorities for seven hours. people look at those thing, living in the small apartment, with the pipe bombs and the ammunition. how could she not have known? >> well, i mean, we have said many times before that this -- she stayed in an isolated part of the house. and she was completely separated from them and no one really went in to the garage where this supposedly took place or allegedly took place. and so, you know, she's actually come out and given all the facts that she knows for seven hours now to fbi. so -- >> do you think they believe
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her? >> i can't speak for the fbi. >> you talk about the mother, farook's mother and how she never went into the garage, how she was separate from them in a pretty small space. but she would have known them better than anyone else, because she was living with them, taking care of a newborn. what was her impression of tashfeen malik as a mother, her connection with the baby, of farook as a father and his connection with that baby? >> again, i would say they're a normal family. i mean, i've been with the family over the past week and it is amazing. just the completely normal family. i mean, there's nothing unusual. just, you know, the family does everything that every normal american family does, be it black, white or anything else. you know, the children are playing with toys. they're watching television. they're sharing meals together.
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they're enjoying their life. they're enjoying living the american dream and that's basically what they were doing. >> farook's father told that italian newspaper though said that his son shared the ideology of the leader al baghdadi and he said his son was fixated on israel. did his father know these things about him and not say anything? i mean, it would seem at face value here if your son is saying i share the same ideology of isis and al baghdadi and he's becoming more religious you would say something, right? >> well, essentially i'm sure everyone would say -- would have said something. we have all been contesting those statements that apparently came out in some obscure italian newspaper. it's -- i mean, it's really troubling. he's on about four or five different medications right now and he says that he's not made -- he never recalls having
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made those statements. so -- >> oh, okay. >> those are really doubtful at best at this time. >> so you're saying that's not true? >> he's -- i mean, he's never said that, you know? i spoke to him personally yesterday and he said he didn't recall saying it. so i mean, the investigation is ongoing. but that's from his -- you know, from what he's told me he didn't recall saying any of that. >> what is the reaction of farook's brother? i mean, his brother is a decorated navy veteran, he's won medals -- two medals related to the global war on terror. what's his reaction to this? >> oh, he's very saddened by what's taken place. he's upset. that this could be in any way someone, you know, his brother, you know? he's praying for the victims. he's just totally depressed and
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filled with grief really. >> david, just tonight donald trump says he wants to ban all muslims from entering the united states. that would include tourists. he's very specific, all muslims banned from entering the united states until the nation's leaders can quote figure out what is going on. what's your response to that? >> it's really sad that that sort of discrimination against religion would take place. as we have said many times before, there's a danger in incidents like this that people could start -- that people could start to try to deteriorate our rights under the constitution. it definitely -- first off, our freedom of religion, freedom of association, you know, our rights to privacy, you know shouldn't be infringed upon. you know, why should all members of the religion of islam be cast agated by some insane act by one
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lone individual. >> david, thank you very much. i appreciate your time tonight. >> okay, thank you. now "outfront" next, both shooters were radicalized. so did the wife brainwash the husband or the other way around? more on that. and what we know about their relationship, new details tonight. plus donald trump calls for that ban on all muslims from entering in the -- from entering the united states. he is live in our hour tonight. moments before the san bernardino massacre was there a heated argument between the shooter and the victims over the holocaust? ♪ can't afford to let heartburn get in the way? try nexium 24hr, now the #1 selling brand for frequent heartburn. get complete protection with the new leader in frequent heartburn. that's nexium level protection.
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the fbi questioned farook's mother. she police officnever went into. anna cabrera is "outfront." >> reporter: investigators had interviewed more than 400 people including family members. among them farook's mother who was detained for almost seven hours by authorities before being released. his father was questioned by police. spoke briefly with reporters at his home in corona, california, indicating he didn't agree with some of his son's beliefs. >> all pakistanis coming from the major cities are liberal people. he was -- >> he was going towards what? >> reporter: he was more specific in the interview with the italian newspaper. syed farook admitted his son
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talked about terrorism and isis. saying who does not talk about it these days? he said he shared the ideology of al baghdadi to create an islamic state and he was fixated on israel. when asked if he had contact with terrorists abroad, farook said i do not know, but these days who can say with the internet and all this technology? the digital footprint could be key, but tracking that is proven difficult with the hard drive missing and cell phones apparently destroyed. other clues could come from farook's family past. farook's mother allegations of abuse. his parents were divorced in 2008 and months earlier rafi farook filed for a restraining order and she allege, he was drunk and outside my house. he pushed me towards my car and choked me. when asked about the allegations, farook told the newspaper those are all lies. rizwan was the mama's boy.
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she is very religious like him. syed farook's mother lived with her son and malik in the home where 19 pipes were found that could have been assembled into thousands of rounds of ammunition. the family's lawyer said she's cooperating and had no idea her son was an extremist. of course, we can't forget the couple's 6-month-old baby, whose future is uncertain. we have learned that farook's sister has said she wants to adopt the child. she was seen at the county courthouse today, presumably beginning those adoption proceedings. i can tell you today was the first day that county offices have reopened since this horrific attack and you can see behind me they're setting up for a vigil tonight. that's supposed to happen within the next hour or so honoring the 14 victims who lost their lives. erin? >> thank you very much. and i do want to mention that the attorney was telling us
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moments ago that the father denies saying that his son was supporting isis and al baghdadi. a lot of lack of clarity there. now here is phil mudd and bobby she cone. this gets more and more bizarre. >> we were talking about the mom saying she doesn't know anything. hold on a second i don't buy this for a heart beat. the difference between the question of whether you knew a couple was going to commit an act of terror or whether you knew a couple with whom you lived had behavioral changes. more isolated from the community. more isolated from their friends and family. we had the family talking about the fact that they didn't know the wife very well. i don't think the right question is whether she knew that the -- that the children in her -- her son and her wife were going to commit an act of terror. the question is did you see behavior that suggested their
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lives were changing and for any family across america, whether it's your kid involved in drugs or whether it's your son getting married and involved in isolation from the community and talking about isis, the question is not do you know what you're doing? the question is, is there a behavioral change, erin? >> you think the answer would have been yes. there would have been. >> yes. yes. >> they're talking about who radicalized whom. this is a crucial part of the question. was it she who radicalized him or the other way around? today, a producer here at cnn actually was in pakistan, went to the university where tashfeen malik the woman studied. this is it. this is where she went to school. she studied pharmacy. as you can see, the women pretty much all of them are veiled. some not fully, but all of them to one extent or the other. this you see one woman perhaps not, that looks like she's taking it off as she walks out. this campus has been investigated for extremist views. i know we don't have all the information, but do you think her radicalization really started then or do you think that she was very religious and that the radicalization aspect
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happened here in the u.s.? >> oh, no, i don't think it happened here in the u.s. i certainly think it happened at -- it started long ago over there in pakistan and i do believe it's been my feeling from early on that she was probably a catalyst to his further radicalization. he was radicalizing -- self-radicalizing on the internet to some extent and she was a catalyst in his -- in the final phases of his accelerated radicalization towards the -- as they got closer to the time of the attack. >> so the question is though, the simplest explanation is often the right one. the complicated explanation would be that she tried to find a man who was already isolated because she wantsed to get into the united states and plan a terror attack like this one. the simple one is radicalized on the path, meets him and together this plot hatches. >> that's right. let's go simple and not complicated.
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what i have seen in case after case, think as much about the emotional contact between the co-conspirators, as about issues about who radicalized whom, what's the religious aspect. what i'm saying, when you're in an emotional relationship, father/son, brother/brother, you're saying i think i'm unhappy about america's policy on israel. i think what's happening with isis is okay. you're playing off each other, over the course of years the say maybe because we're frustrated about what we witness, we should take an act that includes the murder of others -- the emotional contact this is important, who radicalized whom. >> bobby, do you think that the united states missed anything? is it possible that this could have been stopped? at least from the signs we understand at this point, yes, they were radicalized, but to jump from that to an act of mass terror that is a jump. it's unclear that there was a sign missed. >> yeah, i don't think -- i
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think it's too early to tell whether there was a sign missed. i don't -- i certainly don't think that there's any indication of that yet. i certainly think that an act like this taken by two people who really didn't have a large network here in the u.s., there may be some individuals that were seen that the fbi is now tracking down. sure, but these people were acting in concert, not in a larger context of a larger network as it seems on the surface right now. so i think that, yeah, sure i think that there were signs but i don't know that any huge red flags were missed at this point in time. >> well, thank you very much. now "outfront" next, donald trump calling for a ban on all muslims coming to the united states. even as tourists. even if you come from let's just say the united kingdom. just 12 weeks after telling cnn
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breaking news, donald trump live as you can see right next to me on the screen. he's in mount pleasant, south carolina. listen for a moment here. >> so we asked the press to report that it was a total lie, and they don't want to do that because it's not -- it's not the thing to do. we get the biggest crowds. they don't want to show the crowd tonight. they don't do that. they have the cameras in my face. i say pan the crowd. look at all the people over there. it's a record in the history of the ship. but they don't show it. they don't show it. no no. i say fan it, i say fan it and they never ever fan it. i say fan the crowd. they never fan it. yet, i guarantee you that young woman that just got taken out after interrupting us three times, i guarantee the cameras will be on her. i guarantee.
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it's disgusting. it's disgusting. so we talk about the media, and by the way, some of the media is terrific. but most of it, 70%, 75% is absolute dishonest, absolute scum. remember that. scum. scum. they're totally dishonest people. i had one the other day where i finished a speech and they said, oh, trump was interrunted and he -- interrupted and he left early. i spoke for 45, 50 minutes. i answered questions and i went around -- you know, everybody knew it was false. amazingly there's a media group that calls the media and t next day they did the most beautiful story about what -- >> that's donald trump live. obviously right now talk about his frustration with the media. he had also talked about his controversial comments, the ban on muslims entering the united states. standing by what he had to say, moments ago thexecutive director of cair which is an
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acronym that stands for the largest muslim advocacy group in the united states responded to trump's call. >> and today, just this afternoon we were extremely shocked to hear donald trump calling for total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the u.s. this is outrageous. coming from someone who wants to assume the highest office in the land. it is reckless and simply un-american. donald trump sounds more like a leader of a lynch mob than a great nation like ours. >> the leader of a lynch mob. jeff zeleny is out front of the speech. what did he have to say? >> he said he likes muslims, he has friends who are muslims, but he said something is going on here. we can't put up with it.
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at this rally as you can see behind me, he's not yet actually articulated his policy he put out earlier in a statement. he's not yet announced this. he's doing one of the familiar diatribes against the media, talking about patriotism. but he said we need a complete and total block of muslims coming into the united states. this was widely condemned by a republican presidential candidate and democrats and we talked to several voters about this earlier today. erin, even the ones who said they thought it was not a good idea, there were several of enough not to support trump. they like their strength and they agree something needs to be done here in the wake of san bernardino. >> so jeff, i mean, he didn't rule out a database for muslims to register. he faced criticism for that. now it's in a sense it sounds similar to what he said about mexican immigrants which he followed with but i love the mexican. now he's saying i love the
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muslims as if that will be enough. so far, when he said these controversial things he's gone up in the polls. >> reporter: he has gone up in the polls. i think there's no reason to believe that this kind of rhetoric, this is escalated to the highest point we have heard yet this is likely to -- the same thing is likely to happen here. people -- he is speaking to people's fears. a lot of his critics say he's preying on the fears. not everyone in this audience agrees with him, but overall they like his strength and his anti-washington rhetoric. the question is will this republican party ever coalescing behind one alternative to challenge him? right now he's benefited from having such support among his rivals. to a person, jeb bush said that this was a wrong headed move. chris christie said this is going to make muslims actually less safe. he said they need the cooperation of muslims in this country and lindsey graham said it is going to hurt american troops in the field here. so this is one of his most controversial proposals yet. we'll see how it plays out in
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the coming days. >> thank you very much, jeff. "outfront" now, katrina pearson, national spokes woman for donald trump. blocking all muslims from entering the united states, the campaign said that would apply to muslim citizens currently abroad. republican candidates hear this and people at the trump rally who say, this is crazy. >> i don't think that they said it was crazy. whether they agree with it or not is one thing. but erin, we are seeing and hearing the difference between politicians of political correctness, versus a war time commander. the reason he says this, he wants to freeze all visas for a number of reasons, not to just mention what happened in san bernardino. but we also know that homeland security chairman mccall, he also talked about a letter from the counterterrorism center that the administration did not
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disclose that said there are radicals, that they have identified, that have infiltrated the refugees. when we talk about tourists, remember, one of the 9/11 members, the world trade center, came here on a tourist visa. we don't know what's going on. we have at least 80 radicalized mosques in this country. we have a thousand investigations going on in every single state. it's common sense to take a pause to figure out who's here, where are they, just to make sure americans aren't killed. because between 9/11, iraq and afghanistan, we have lost 10,000 american lives and the question is how many more american lives are we going to risk before we do something? >> dean, what do you say? a lot of people this may fall on fertile ears who look at an act like this and say, look, she came into the united states. she came in, you know, as a fiancee visa. she's muslim. we don't want this to happen again. better be safe than sorry.
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>> well, i'm not surprised about donald trump's comments. his entire campaign is based on demonizing minorities. he defended a black lives matter person being beaten up. and he said that muslim americans not just people coming to the country, but they should have less rights so he wants wireless surveillance. this is somebody not ready to be the president of the united states, but he's no more qualified to be the president of the united states than justin bieber and do you know who's happy about this? donald trump is helping isis. his lack of experience is showing that. >> katrina, what do you say to that? helping isis -- he's making americans hate muslims so therefore it's a war between christians and the muslims. >> i don't care what isis wants
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or thinks. we are talking about american lives here. you can say what you want about what donald trump is talking about. >> i'm going to interrupt you for a moment. i'm sorry. donald trump is talking about t in detail. >> sure go ahead. >> -- agreed that violence against americans, these are people that are here by the way. people here. 25 -- by way, 1% would be unacceptable. 1% is unacceptable. 25% of those polled agreed that violence against americans here in the united states is justified as part of the global jihad. [ audience boos ] they want to change your religion. i don't think so. i don't think so. i don't think so. not going to happen. as part of the global jihad, and
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51% of those polled agreed that muslims in america should have the choice of being governed according to shari'ah. you know what shari'ah is? 51%. shari'ah authorizes -- look, this is -- i mean, it's terrible. shari'ah authorizes such atrocities as murder against nonbelievers who won't convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to americans especially women. i mean, you look -- especially women. tough stuff. and we have a president that won't even mention the term. you're talking about numbers like this. mr. trump stated without looking at the various polling data it's obvious to anybody the hatered is beyond -- the hatred is
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beyond comprehension. where the hatred comes from we have to figure it out. we can't live like this. it will get worse and worse. you'll have more world trade centers. we can be politically correct and be stupid, but it will get worse and worse. until we are able to determine and understand this problem, and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victim of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad. these are people only believing in jihad. they don't want our system. they don't want our system. and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. they have no respect for human life.
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that's all right. he sounds like he's very exhausted. it's all right. yeah, he's tired. so they have no respect for human life. so we have to do something. now, we can be weak, we can be ineffective. we can be foolish. it's all right. that's all right. i'm sure he's a nice person. he can be reasoned with. be very gentle. you know, whenever i'm tough, the press said he's nasty. when i said be gentle, well, he's not as strong as we thought he was. can't win. i try to cut it down the middle. i try and cut it down. be very nice. [ applause ] so prior to paris which was a
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disaster and by the way, if some of the people in those places where it was slaughter -- absolute slaughter had guns you wouldn't have had the carnage that you had in paris. you would and have had that carnage. if they had guns you wouldn't have had that carnage. so important the second amendment we have to preserve it and cherish it and we can't let these weak leaders diminish it. if they had guns in paris, if five people in that room, paris and france has probably the toughest gun laws anywhere in the world. and it was like target practice. come over here. boom. come over here. boom. people are sitting by the hundreds, and many others are going to be dying, they're sitting in the hospital in many cases waiting to die. now, the same thing a few days
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ago. in california. no guns. we didn't have guns. the bad guys had the guns. and these young people -- i tell the press, you've got to stop calling them master minds. these are dirty rotten scum. these aren't master minds. [ cheers and applause ] remember the guy in paris with the big dirty hat? remember the guy in paris -- the mastermind. i was watching all the networks -- i won't mention who but some disgusted me. the mastermind is on the loose. and we have kids that are watching the internet and they want to be master minds. and then you wonder why do we lose all the kids, that go over there, they're young and impressionable. they want to join isis. we have our anchors -- i think i got them mostly stopped. did you notice that? but they say the young master mind, oh, he's brilliant. young man, he's brilliant.
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i don't even think he's got a high iq. in paris i called him the guy with the dirty, filthy hat. not a smart guy. a dummy. master mind, they start shooting everybody. you have to be a mastermind. so the press has to be responsible. they're not being responsible. because we're losing a lot of people because of the internet. and we have to do something. we have to go see bill gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. we have to talk to them maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some way. freedom of speech some will say, freedom of speech. these are foolish people. we have a lot of foolish people. we have a lot of foolish people. we've got to maybe do something with the internet because they are recruiting by the thousands. they're leaving our country. and then when they come back, we take them back. oh, come on back. where were you? i was fighting for isis. oh, come on back, go home, enjoy yourself. when they leave our country, and
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they go to fight for isis or any of the other groups, they never come back. they never can come back. they can never can come back. [ cheers and applause ] they can never ever ever ever come back. it's over. how about that? and now they've become radicalized, totally radicalized. how about the woman? she was in pakistan, then saudi arabia. she brings -- she comes in on an engagement deal and she radicalized the guy. probably a guy who couldn't get women, i don't know what his problem was. probably the first woman he's ever -- i don't know what was going on. but he became radicalized quickly. notice how easy it is? he becomes radicalized and then they go on a spree. folks, those days are over. those days are over. we have to be tough. we have to be smart. we have to be vigilant. yes, we have to look at mosques and we have to respect mosques. but yes, we have to look at
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mosques. we have no choice. we have to see what's happening. because something is happening in there. man, there's anger. there's anger. we have to know about it. we can't be these people that are sitting back like in the world trade center like so many different things. we can't be people that knew what was going on two weeks ago in california, probably for months they knew what was going on. they didn't want to tell anybody. we can't be that. we have to be strong. when we see violations, you have to report those violations and quickly. don't worry about profiling. i promise, i will defend you from profiling. [ cheers and applause ] i promise. so when i started this whole quest, you know, who knew it would turn into this? it's an amazing thing. no matter where i go, i have tremendous -- i have packed crowds, packed.
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we went to dallas 20,000 people in dallas. 25,000 people. i mean, we have -- it's mobile, alabama, 35,000 people. up here every time i come to south carolina, every time i go to north carolina, every time i go to iowa, new hampshire, virginia, wherever i go, florida. we have crowds that are maxed. i mean, the only problem we have is the size of the room. thousands of people outside trying to get in. usually i do it double. i talk to them for a while which i don't exactly love doing after the first one. but there's an unbelievable love in these rooms. all the same. >> i love you too! >> i love you. stand up. who said that? thank you. thank you. thank you, darling. i love you too. there's an unbelievable love in all of these places. oklahoma, 20,000 people standing in a park.
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on quick notice. >> all right, donald trump, doubling down and elaborating on his plan to ban all muslims from the united states. talking about how he'd have surveillance of mosques. we're going to be talking much more about this. our next guest says that the number of foreign fighters since the united states president said isis was a jv team, going to fight for icircumstances they have more than doubled but he thinks what donald trump just said could cause many more americans to go the way of isis. we'll talk about what donald trump said next.
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breaking news and "outfront" exclusi exclusive, foreign fighters doubled in the past 18 months. let me say that again, more than doubled in the last 18 months. the firm says the number of foreign fighters has gone from 12,000 to about 31,000. "outfront" now, the head of the group, these numbers are
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stunning as the president said jv team and then went on to sigh isis was contained. we've seen the number of foreign fighters surge. >> sure. i mean, we were probably one of the first entities to count the foreign fighters in the conflict zone in syria and iraq back in may of 2014 and the number at the time was 12,000. today when we count them, we count the number of ranges between 27,000 to 31,000. so it is way more than doubled. if you look at western europe, the number is definitely way more than doubled. former soviet republics went up almost to 300%. so that gives you an idea putin, what he's doing in syria is not only about propping up assad but his intervention to syria might probably, might be rooted in his own national security. >> that is pretty stunning. you've found of this number, up to 31,000 people who have gone to fight, this is incredible large number. 20 to 30% of them, 20 to 30%
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have come home, come back to western countries. >> the average -- >> to do what? plan paris attacks? >> we don't know and this is what's scary. we looked at all the numbers of people that came back from western europe and the united states, from the west in general and the average goes between 20 to 30%. the average of people from the au for example who have returned is about 26.8% in the united states, we have about 40 who returned, a little less than the 26.8% and we need to know, we need to establish a threat matrix for each and every one of these people. we need to know, did they come back because they went there and said well, this is not my cup of cake or not impressed by the islamic caliphate or come to kill people like in paris? >> let's talk about 40 people in the united states that have been allowed to come in. some might say what donald trump said today is way over the line but what? there is 40 possible isis
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fighters? let me plea ay it quickly and g your response, donald trump. >> so what's happened is we're out of control. we have no idea who is coming into our country and have no idea if they love us or hate us or want to bomb us. we have no idea what is going on. >> first of all, the 40 people that came back from the quite were not just allowed to come in. you know, the law enforcement and intelligence agencies, probably most of them under arrest going through a detailed. >> interrogation. >> interrogation and investigation to see what happened. so i trust what our intelligence agencies, the fbi, the law enforcement, what they are doing in the united states and their policy towards this. as for what mr. trump is saying, that is very unfortunate. that's kind of like fear mongering for the lack of better term because if you think about it, national security has been always an averaging point, even with president bush after 9/11,
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he rallied all americans, muslims, christians atheist, everybody to stand as one nation -- >> would this stop a terrorist from coming in or create more terrorists? >> first of all, you need to know who is a terrorist. some of these guys like jose pedia and john walker, we don't know what's in the head of these individuals. we don't know the radicalization that's going on in their soul. >> all right. thank you very much. some incredible new numbers in all these new reports. i'll be right back. glad i could help you plan for your retirement. alright, kelly and promise me that you'll try that taco place on south street. and we have portfolio planning tools to help you manage your ira. yeah, you're old 401k give me your phone. the rollover consultants give you step-by-step help. no set-up fees. use your potion. sorry, not you. my pleasure. goodnight, tim. for all the confidence you need.
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thanks so much for joining us. be sure to set your dvr to record "outfront" to watch the show at any time. see you tomorrow night. a.c. 360 starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with donald trump's proposal for keeping any and all members of the muslim faith out of the country. he's at a pearl harbor rally near charleston, south carolina and unveiled the plan a few hours ago, less than 24 hours since president obama spoke from the oval office warning against the fight against isis being a war against american islam. that the president said is what isis wants. as we said, the campaign rolled out the plan this afternoon and the candidate read from the press release tonight. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut down of muslims entering the united states until our country's