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that's not the america we live in. >> it is. but it is. simply because you have people coming across through the refugee system and the visa system including the woman that came in san bernardino on a visa system as well as some of the 9/11 hijackers. we have to put a pause to better vet these people. >> thank you both. that's it. i'm turning you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room" right now. happening now, breaking news, outrage donald trump drawidraw ing criticism for proposing a ban on muslims. a new cnn poll shows him with a kmabding lead in a key primary state. can he maintain it? cnn is learning new details about the online message posted by the san bernardino terrorists. unable to spell the name of the isis leader and leaving investigators baffled by what they omitted. tonight sources tell cnn they
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want to know why the killers did not leave a manifesto or a video message, even as investigators found camera packaging equipment in their apartment. tracing hr story, new revelations about tashfeen malik, including her family and schooling in pakistan. tonight, former classmates are painting a more detailed picture of the world's most notorious terrorist. was she radicalized long before isis was formed? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." we're following the breaking news in the san bernardino terror attacks. sources telling cnn that investigators believe the female terrorist tashfeen malik was radicalized at least two years ago. that's well before she came to the united states and before isis proclaimed its caliphate. and we're also learning new
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details of the final facebook post she made. a u.s. official telling cnn it started off with the word "we" indicating she was posting on behalf of her husband as well as herself when she pledged allegiance to the isis leader. but investigators are also said to be puzzled by the lack of a manifesto or a video. we're also following the breaking political news. a brand new cnn poll just released right now shows donald trump ahead of his closest rival in the primary state of new hampshire. but tonight trump is facing the biggest controversy of his campaign over his call to ban all muslims from entering the united states. we're covering that and much more this hour with our guests, including the congresswoman from hawaii, a member of the armed service committee and our correspondents and expart
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analysts that are also standing by. let's begin with cnn in san bernardino. there are significant new developments tonight in the terror investigation. what are you learning? >> that's right, wolf. we're now learn iing that investigators, as they are still trying to determine a time line as to when the couple became radicalized. they do believe that this may have happened even before isis declared itself a caliphate in june of 2014. and tonight more evidence the couple had been planning, even practicing for their attack for weeks. just days before the attack, syed rizwan farook took an ar-15 semi automatic rifle for target practice at this gun range in riverside, california. >> he presented a valid i.d., came in and acted the way he normally does. the way normal people act, just come in and use the range. >> reporter: officials say both farook and his wife went to local gun ranges for target
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practice in the days leading up to the attack. tonight the fbi is reviewing surveillance video from the gun range in riverside. at the same time, the fbi's questioning en ree ka marquez, a friend and neighbor of farook's. >> our major concern the fbi is determining how those firearms, the rifles in particular, got from marquez to farook. >> marquez can checked into a member tall health facility after the attack. they are questioning farook's mother, who lived in the same townhouse with the killers. the family's lawyer insists no one in the family knew about how farook and malik became radicalized. >> the couple was very isolated and the family was completely surprised and devastated. >> though the couple took steps to erase their electronic footprint, investigators are trying to retrieve data to piece
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together clues. they are trying to track down whether they had financial help to carry out the attack. reuters reporting that online lend er prosper recently issueda $28,500 loan to farook citing a source familiar with the matter. law enforcement could not confirm to cnn saying work regarding the bank accounts is ongoing and no conclusions have been made. now officials do tell cnn that at this point there's no indication that any money the couple may have received came from an outside financer that backed the plot, but they are not ready to rule it it out either. >> they certainly are not. other breaking news. donald trump is the undies puted republican front runner in a brand new cnn poll released just moments ago showing him with a commander lead in new hampshire, home of the nation's first primary two months from today.
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but trump is is being blasted from inside and outside the gop for his proposal to ban all muslims from entering the united states. dana bash is here with the latest numbers and the controversy. donald trump is certainly not backing down. >> e he certainly isn't. it's hard to quantify how many people have come out condemning trump's plan in the harshest of terms. south carolina's governor this afternoon called it an embarrassment and un-american. but trump sources i talked to think those statements are only going to help him solidify his front runner status. >> thank you very much, everybody. >> reporter: donald trump is not only on top in a new cnn new hampshire poll, his 32% support in the first primary state is more than marco rubio, chris christie and jeb bush combined. with 6 in 10 new hampshire republicans predicting trump is the most likely to win their crucial primary.
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>> the total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> reporter: a new show of strength as that new trump plan ignites unprecedented bipartisan fury from the republican house speaker. >> normally, i do not comment on what's going on in the presidential election. i will take an exception today. this is not conservatism. >> reporter: to former vice president dick cheney, revered by conservatives for pushing tough tactics to keeping americans safe after 9/11. >> this whole notion that somehow we can say no more muslims and just ban all religion goes against everything we stand for and believe in. >> reporter: voters in the new hampshire poll say trump is the best candidate to take on isis. just like monday's cnn orc poll in iowa. on cnn's "new day" he was eager to defend his new plan. >> we should solve it because you're going to have many more world trade centers if you don't
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solve it and probably beyond. i'm talking about a temporary situation until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> reporter: even the republican party chair weighed in saying i don't agree, we need to aggressively take on radical islamic terrorism but not at the expense of our american values. that after convincing competitors to pledge to support him if he's the nominee make in it awkward as they slam him now. >> it's not about the blow hards out there just saying stuff. that's not a a program. that's not a plan. this is serious business. >> donald trump always plays on earn's worst instints and fears. >> you know how you make america great again is tell donald trump to go to hell. >> the trump campaign for months now has had a history like quality to it from the outright
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lies to the fake hair. what donald trump said yesterday disqualifies him from serving as president. and for republican candidates to stand but their pledge to support donald trump, that in and of itself is disqualifying. >> the president spokesman may have been making a policy statement, but he was stirring the pot politically for republicans, many of whom are worried about damage done to the party. as for trump, he's making noises once again about a gop nightmare scenario. an independent trump candidate su. e he tweeted this afternoon if he did launch a third party bid the vast majority of supporters nominee.ck him and not the gop - >> all the candidates signed a pledge they would support anyone who got the republican nomination. that means they would have to support donald trump if he gets the nomination. in this brand new poll, you see trump with 32%.
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as you point out, rubio only 14%. chris christie, 9%. jeb bush, 8%. he's clearly by far not only the front runner in new hampshire, but in iowa, our poll there yesterday and nationally as well. >> that's right across the board, we have done several polls nationally. in iowa yesterday, new hampshire today shows that it's not even close. donald trump is by far the leader and that sells a lot when you're talking about such a big feel that he is in the 30s when looking at the percentages with 14 candidates. it really is telling as to where support is now just two months away from these contests. >> these polls taken before the latest comments on no muslims coming into the united states. thank you very much. let's get some more on all of this with the congresswoman from hawaii, member of the foreign affairs committee and an iraq
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war veteran. thanks for joining us. i want to talk to you about the latest terror investigations what's going on in the war against isis. first of all, donald trump, to his comments, from your perspective, disqualify him as serving as president? >> donald trump is clearly trying to unfortunately capitalize for his own political gain. it's important for all of us in our country, for people in the media to make a clear distinction from two things. one is the spiritual practice is the spiritual and religious path that most muz lumbaslims followe other is the political islamism ideology that is fueling these attacks. that's fuelled the san bernardino shooters, that's fueling isis, fueling al qaeda
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and these extremists terror groups creating such a threat. that's why it's so important for us to create this distinction to make sure that we know who our enemy is. the ideology that our enemy, the radical ideology and not continue to play on fears of people as donald trump is doing. >> do you think it should disqualify him as president? >> i'm not going to comment on that. we have to focus constructively as a country today. and that is the threat of this radical totalitarian islamist ideology fuel z these groups. >> the undependent from maine a member of the intelligence committee said to me that trump's comments in his word was a gift to isis. you understand the region over there. you served in iraq. . do you agree with him? >> i think, again. this is about us here in the united states looking at what is in our best interest, how do we
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effectively execute a strategy to defeat this enemy. the first thing that has to be done that's critical is understand exactly who they are and the ideology that's fueling them. until that's done, we're not going to be able to see an effective strategy put in place. >> congresswoman, standby. much more to discuss including the latest developments in this war against isis. much more when we come back. . came out today thousands of people to run the race for retirement. so we asked them... are you completely prepared for retirement? okay, mostly prepared? could you save 1% more of your income? it doesn't sound like much, but saving an additional 1% now, could make a big difference over time. i'm going to be even better about saving. you can do it, it helps in the long run. prudential bring your challenges
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break. ing news this hour, investigators are probing the san bernardino massacre. they now believe that terrorist tashfeen malik was, in fact, radicalized at least two years ago. that's long before she came to the united states and before the rise of isis. we're back with the congresswoman of hawaii, a member of the armed services committee and an iraq war veteran. congresswoman, you say radical islamic ideology fuels isis and fuelled the sbilers. wou >> i think the president and leaders in our country need to recognize this ideology and the ideology that is our enemy, that is this radical ideology. it's a totalitarian islamist political ideology that really says that some form of islam
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should be the governing doctrine. that is important to make that distinction between that that is fueling our enemy and the spiritual path to islam with muslims around a the world are practicing. it's important for us to know the difference to make that d distinction and to name our enemy and the ideology driving them. >> in attempting to form a coalition of countries against isis, specifically arab countries, how bad does it make the u.s. look right now that there are for all practical purposes no sunni arab countries allies included with any boots on the ground fighting isis. >> this is exactly one of the challenges that needs to be overcome here that we have to have leaders within the e region both. coming out and battlesing this ideology as well as providing that military support focused
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solely on defeating isis. this is one of the problems that we're seeing right now with saudi arabia, turkey, qatar and some of the other arab gulf countries who are more focused on overthrowing the syrian government of assad, an objective that is die metically opposed to our objective and what our objective and focus should be, which is defeating isis, al qaeda and other extr e extremist groups. if we and these countries are successful in overthrowing the government of assad, it will help isis and open the door for them to walk in, take over control for all of syria, presenting an even greater threat to the region, a humanitarian crisis like we have never seen before and an even greater threat to the world. >> we learned today that tashfeen malik, the female terrorist out in california, had been radicalized possibly long before she even came to the united states.
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you just voted to change the law to overall the federal visa waiver program. it just pass ed in the house of representatives. how will that change effect terrorists come iing to the uni states? >> the visa wafer program legislation that we just more difficult to those who our holders of passports or citizens of our visa waiver programs to get on a plane and come here. maybe they are a foreign fighter. they have gone to syria and want to come here to the united states. this bill seeks to make it more difficult for that scenario to play out. there's one big problem that wasn't addressed in the legislation and why i have been calling for over a year for a temporary suspension of this program for specific countries that have high numbers of foreign fighters is we have an open border between syria and turkey. someone can go and travel through this open border between
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turkey and seyria and come back without anyone knowing about it, without a trace of that and this is a concern that needs to be resolve d. . >> thank you very much for joining us. coming up, new e details about the mysterious woman about the center of the san bernardino terror attack. plus will donald trump's call to ban muslim immigration is e growing in the race for republican presidential nominee. ♪ every insurance policy has a number. but not every insurance company understands the life behind it. for those who've served and the families who've supported them, we offer our best service in return. ♪ usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. ♪
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breaking news, officials now say both of the san bernardino killers pledged allegiance to ist nis an online post the day of the killings. disturbing new details are also coming to light about tashfeen malik, the woman who changed pr what friends describe as a typical college student into a cold-blooded killer. brian todd has new information about her past in pakistan and saudi arabia. what are you learning? >> investigators are putting together e key information about tashfeen malik's life. . now part of that means learning more. about malik's experience that americans had never heard of, but was now under intense scrutiny. to hear her classmate tell it, tashfeen malik was a a normal college-aged woman. she tells cnn malik was funny, jolly with a loud laugh. malik wasn't very religious at the university in pakistan where she studied pharmacy.
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and she liked gossip, liked to point out the boys she thought were cute. one expert says that doesn't mean she wouldn't have been radical r or angry toward the west. he points to one example of a well-known terrorist who lived a double life. >> we had the case of the 9/11 hijacker who had a girlfriend, liked his work, not religious, but at the same time, he thought i would do this great act of violence, i will go into. heaven as a result. >> intelligence sources tell cnn tashfeen malik's extended family has wealthy landowners, but her immediate family is middle class. that's the kind of woman that enrolls at the chain of religious institutes in pakistan. teachers tell cnn malik was enrolled in pakistan in 2013 and 2014, but didn't get a diploma. could ve have been radicalized there? they promote the cloaking of
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women and a narrow conservative following of islam. >> the kind of conservatism involves anti-westernism but they do not necessarily radicalize every person who comes through them. >> they say they have to links to extremists and promotes a a peaceful message and she didn't understand. the message. one woman who attended another branch told us the school is a, quote, gateway drug for violent radicalization. it says one thing but teaches another. >> they know that killing and saying that you're going to kill somebody will land you in a lot of trouble. they are careful. what i heard all the time was to curse those that are of other faut, to never be friends with those of other faiths. >> but one scholar warns not to pin this woman's radicalization on one place. >> we have to be careful and put all the pieces together of her life because we're looking at it with such close scrutiny. she comes out, migrates to saudi
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arabia. >> malik's radicalization could have o kurned anywhere in pakistan. as for the possibility that it might have happened in saudi arabia, it's not clear at the moment. but a source close to the government has told cnn she was not on any watch list or any suspicion of extremist activity by saudi authorities. >> it's not just classroom instruction at the school. there's other stuff as well. >> they provide charitable services and has a marriage bureau to help religious parents find suitable spouses for children. the place is also known to duh provide some families. they say some people who go there and become more religious we're told they tend to alienate members of their families. >> brian todd, thank you. let's get insight from our
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experts. our national security analyst peterbergen, phillip mudd, and law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. so tashfeen malik, she may have been radicalized long before she came to the united states. that must send some alarm bells to u.s. officials. >> it does, but it sends more questions than answers. you'd think as the investigation would go along that the questions start to diminish, but two come to me with this process. the first is in a lot of these cases, radicalization can be weeks or months. she went through a year, two years, it took that long to select a target. the second and the most interesting question or problem i have in the whole case is the target selection. if if you have somebody that's this radicalized, if you look at the past 14 years of history, they are beginning to pick a target with a lot of consideration. twin towers, subway, in this case, she picks a county
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facility. i don't understand the questions rising. i think the story is getting more confusing. >> maybe this was just the first target. >> we're missioning a lot of pieces of the puzzle. >> but why jeopardize the big target to go after the little target? four weeks after this attack -- >> maybe they were stupid. >> four weeks after this attack, you have the rose bowl parade, a tremendous soft target miles long with worldwide media coverage, the rose bowl game with 100,000 people in pasadena right down the street from where they were at. you have all these big media events, athletic contests, bowl games that they could have attacked and they go after 90 people at a luncheon? >> you saw this new report saying there's been an explosion in the number of foreign fighters joining isis right now. "the new york times" reporting isis is recruiting as far away as china right now. so how is this different from
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other terrorist organizations? >> we have seen foreign fighters being recruited from around 90 countries. unprecedented volume, more than 30,000. and they are killing about 1,000 a month, but about a thousand foreign fighters are coming in every month. right now it's sort of a wash. as long as isis can get. people in, many from turkey, they continue to replenish their ranks. think of jihadi john and others. >> they are coming in through the open turkish border that president obama keeps talking about. >> but that border has a handle on us. >> it was a thousand. they are trying to get a handle on it. u.s.ist itself is saying to its recruits, the turks are no longer your friends. they are advising people to be careful about turkish
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intelligence. >> what is the fbi doing to trace the money, if you will, where this couple zeed money to buy these guns, these explosive devices? there was cash in their bank accounts. >> to the extnt they can figure out their bank accounts, they are trying to trace that. the other problem is anybody that's bought a smart phone from the major providers comes with encryption that even the company can't break if they have a court order. so after 9/11, the message was because of lack of intelligence sharing we couldn't connect the dots. now we have the intelligence sharings, but the dots are invisible. >> we don't know if they were engaged in encryption with others that way yet. >> we don't know, but the fact they destroyed these devises tells us something. the lack of communications here, it's not unique, but we should
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be know iing more about connections. but part of it they tried to destroy the hard drive and phones. >> but the fbi is trying to at least get some information. let's see if they can do it. don't go. too far. much more on the breaking political news as well. our brnd new cnn poll shows donald trump with a commanding lead in new hampshire. will it hold up amid-the new controversy over the call to block muslims from entering the u.s. also new information coming in from sources close to the investigation in the san bernardino terror attacks. stay with us. it's easy to buy insurance and forget about it. but the more you learn about your coverage, the more gaps you might find. like how you thought you were covered for all this... when you're really only covered for this. hot dog? or how you may think you're covered for this... but not for this... whoa! no, no, oh , oh! ...or this... ...or this. ...or that... talk to farmers and see what gaps could be hiding in your coverage. my heaven!
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breaking political news, a new poll released just this hour shows donald trump with a commanding leads in new hampshire. he's 18 points ahead of his closest rival marco rubio. the poll was taken before trump called for a total and complete shutdown of muslim immigration into the united states listen to what he told a crowd in an early primary state south carolina. >> they didn't want to report them because they thought it was profiling. okay, they saw bombs, they saw the pipe bombs. this wasn't to build a bathroom. when a bomb is this long, got to put too many of them together for a bathroom. what's happened is we're out of control. we have no idea who is coming into our country. we have no idea if they love us or hate us. i have friends that are muslims.
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they are great pop. but they know we have a problem. they know we have a real problem. something is going on. we can't put up with it, folks. donald trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. where the hatred comes from and why we'll have to determine, we'll have to figure it out. we can't live like this. it's going to get. worse and worse. you're going to have more world trade centers. . it's going to get worse and worse, folks. . we can be politically correct and stupid, but it's going o to get worse and worse. we have to talk to them. maybe in certain areas closing that internet up in some way. somebody will say freedom of speech. these are foolish people. we have a lot of foolish people. we have a lot of foolish people. we have to maybe do something with the internet because they are recruiting by the thousands. they are leaving our country. and then when they come back, we take them back. where were you? i was fighting for isis.
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come on back, enjoy yourself. we have to be tough. we have to be smart. we have to be vigilant. we have to look at mosques. we have to respect mosques. but yes, we have to look at mosques. we have no choice. we have to see what's happening. because something is happening in there, man, there's anger. there's anger. we have to know about it. >> with us in "the situation room" right now is our commentator s.e. cupp, jeffrey toobin and nia henderson. what are republicans saying? >> we have heard some of the broad condemnation from everyone from governors to party chairs and the first three states. republicans are saying now what? not only for donald trump in terms of whether or not he survives this, but also what is the party do in terms of perhaps trying to coalesce around an establishment candidate to blunt
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some of his appeal and force and dominance in this race. but again, i think they are torn between on the one hand condemning them, but knowing he has an audience that's part of the republican party that likes to hear what he has to say and at some point, they will try to appeal to those people. >> he's a front runner not only in the new poll in new hampshire, our poll in iowa and nationally. he's the front runner. it's interesting the republican party chairman came out with a statement today saying he doesn't agree with donald trump. trump later sent out this tweet saying a new poll indicates that 68% of my supporters would vote for me if i departed the gop and ran as an independent. the timing of that was a little intriguing. >> look, this is process stuff but people should understand that the rnc does not often comment on what candidates say. the rnc have come out a number of times to comment on things ta
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donald trump has said. that's a big deal. i think they have been pretty aggressive in trying to separate donald trump from the rest of the herd. what's interesting is a lot of the reason that trump is doing so well is because of some we well-intentioned changes that were made in 2012. so we didn't have another 2012. moving the primary and convention up making it a shorter primary season, he's been able to exploit that. he's able to possibly win the nomination with just 25%, 30% of the vote. so what the republicans are now talking about is whether a couple people should drop out. there's too many people in this field and it's almost impossible to compete with him. >> he's also threatening the republican leadership. i can always run as a third party candidate. that's a nightmare for republicans because that could potentially the democratic candidate. >> that's the crisis within the
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party. he is going to damage our brand if he get. s the nomination for years and years and years. do we want that fall out? or a definite loss because he runs as a third party. that's our crisis right now. >> you have been looking into the law as far as trump's latest comments about if he were president could he legally keep muslims out of the united states on a temporary basis. what have you learned? >> we're doing all this analysis of what it means what he says. how about just looking at what he says. and what he says is that he wants to keep muslims out of the count country. no public figure in american history, at least to my knowledge, has proposed anything that is so obviously unconstitutional. it is unconstitutional under several different parts of the constitution. freedom of religion, equal protections of the law, no religious test, so in the extremely unlikely event he
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could get such a law passed by congress, any federal judge in the country and all supreme court justices would certainly vote to declare it unconstitutional to say nothing of his new interest in shutting down parts of the internet. >> we have more to discuss. don't go too far away. donald trump may be saying more controversial things, but his numbers keep going up and up and up. we'll assess why, when we come back. i absolutely love my new but the rent is outrageous. good thing geico offers affordable renters insurance. with great coverage it protects my personal belongings should they get damaged, stolen or destroyed. [doorbell] uh, excuse me. delivery. hey. lo mein, szechwan chicken, chopsticks, soy sauce and you got some fortune cookies. have a good one. ah, these small new york apartments... protect your belongings. let geico help you with renters insurance.
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we are back to our breaking plitd cal news. a new cnn poll released shows
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donald trump crushing the competition in the primary state of new hampshire. however, it was taken before he called for a ban on muslim immigration. we are back with our political team. let's look at the the cnn poll. trump gained six points since september. look at this. nearly 6-10 believe trump will be the gop nominee in this state. this is among republicans in new hampshire. 6-10 believe he'll be the nominee. do you believe he'll be the nominee? >> i don't. i rule nothing out when it comes to trump, but i don't. when you look at the group of people in the republican party who are registered voters who answer a call from a pollster, it's a small group of people within the party. even pollsters are saying the national polls are really ineffective way of gauging a
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candidate's success. so, i don't think he'll be the nominee. again, i say it again, if we continue to have 15 candidates, he doesn't need that many votes to be the nominee, then we have a real problem. so, i would, you know, encourage some of our colleagues, my colleagues on the right to consider if they are vanity projects or -- >> you want some of the republican candidates to drop out? >> i do. everything is so truncated now. every day counts. every day that, i won't name names, you know who you are. every day longer, people who have no chance of winning are in the race is a day donald trump is winning. >> we asked who is the best republican candidate to handle isis. among republicans, 33% said trump. bush was 11%, christie, 9%, everybody else single digits. they think trump knows best how to handle isis. >> that's right.
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in almost every issue, he leads the other republicans. the economy, it makes sense because he's a businessman. isis, national security, immigration, he's ahead of the pack by double digits easily beating the competition. there's a saying in politics you govern in pros and campaign in poetry. all based on his gut feeling about what he could do. it's convincing to a large part of the party. >> the words the white house used addressing trump's comments among other words, morally rep henceable, as support continues, does trump speak to the base? >> he speaks to a lot of people in the republican party. people in the republican party support donald trump because they support donald trump. there's no mystery secret sauce going on here. if you listen to what he says,
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it is similar to what highly rated talk shows say. it is similar to what rush limbaugh says. he is getting a substantial portion, not a majority, but a substantial portion of the republican party electorate in the various states that are coming up in primaries, as well as nationally because they support him. i don't see anything that is going to happen that is going to change that. we have spent our time saying he said a mean thing about somebody, support is going to go away. it never goes away because people like him. >> he speaks to an influential part of the republican base. stand by. one week from today, the final republican debate of the year, i'll be the moderator when the gop candidates face-off in las vegas tuesday, december 15th. do you have any questions for the candidates? you can submit your questions by
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happening now, breaking news. global outrage, donald trump is refuse zing to back down from
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his plan to ban all muslims from entering the united states. critics from both parties are accusing trump of defieing american values and the unqualified to become president. radical road. new information about when the san bernardino attackers embraced the ideology of terrorists and details about their facebook post pledging their allegiance to isis. the money trail. who might have helped finance the most deadly terror attacks. they are on the hunt for clues in california and overseas right now. hunt and kill mission. u.s. special op rerations force are getting ready to go after top isis terrorists and kill them. are other nations going to put their troops on the lines? we want to welcome viewers from around the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you are in the "situation room."
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announcer: this is cnn breaking news. breaking tonight, the fbi zeroing in on a critical question about the san bernardino terror attacks. did the killers have help planning and carrying out their massacre? investigators are focusing in on the finances of the married shooters looking for unusual deposits. there is evidence tashfeen malik pledged allegiance to isis on facebook for her husband as well as hearse. surveillance video where farook shot. he visited the range twice in the days before he opened fire on his work colleagues. also breaking tonight, donald trump defending his cal to ban all muslims from entering the united states despite a condemnation including top members of the republican party.
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i'll ask republican congressman peter king about all the developments. he's a leading member of the house homeland security and house intelligence committees. analysts are stopping by to cover all the news that's breaking now. let's go to pamela brown. there are several reports tonight that in the weeks before the attack, $28,000 was deposited in farook's bank account. the base salary is less than $60,000. this could be a significant lead. >> we have been speaking to sources. they have been looking at the loans and money transfers farook received recently, but we are told at this stage of the investigation, there is no indication that a terrorist group or any outside source provided financing for them to carry out the attack. that part of the investigation still very active as well as putting together a time line of when the two were radicalized.
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the pact to radicalization for this california couple began long before they committed mass murder in san bernardino, california, according to the fbi. two officials tell there are indications their transformation began before isis emerged on to the world stage in june, 2014, making it difficult to determine who inspired them and who might have helped them. >> had they carried out the attack two years ago or a year ago, they might have glomed on to it. they carried out, in their name. whether they were part of that is unclear. >> reporter: a law enforcement official tells cnn farook explored reaching out to an al qaeda affiliate. a facebook post and account associated with his wife, tashfeen malik pledged allegiance to isis and used the
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word we representing both attackers. days before they killed 14 people, farook went to this fire range. farook brought his own ar-15 assault weapon to practice. >> you can't tell who comes to the range. he presented a valid or what appeared to be a valid id. came in and acted the way normal people akct. come in and use the range. >> reporter: the fbi is reviewing surveillance video from the gun range and looking into this man, enrico marquez, his friend and neighbor. the two assault rifles traced back to marquez. he has not been charged with a crime. >> right now, our major concern is determining how the firearms, the rifles in particular got from marquez to farook and malik. >> reporter: two u.s. officials
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say malik was proficient with the ar-15 and believe she received a level of training. they believe no one knew they were jihadis even though farook's mother lived with them. >> they were very isolated and, honestly, the family was surprised and devastated. no one had any knowledge. if anyone would have, they would have done something to stop it. >> reporter: tonight's sources telling us the fbi is interested in the friend enrique marquez. learning about the facebook post before the attacks, there were a lot of misspellings and errors that tashfeen misspelled the names. this was the last message they sent before launching the attack. it wasn't acomp a komccompanied
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manifesto, it may have been more hasty than previously thought. >> thank you. down to the fight against isis. u.s. special operations forces are set to start a dangerous mission to go after top terrorist leaders and kill them. let's go to the pentagon correspondent, barbara starr. new claims of success against isis. what are you learning? >> there are claim that is isis may be about to lose significant territory. whether that really happens remains to be seen. tomorrow morning, defense secretary, ash carter, on capitol hill to defend u.s. military strategy. iraqi security forces, today, claimed they liberated 60% of ramadi from isis. seven months after they ran away in the face of a brutal isis onslaught. another sign of progress, up to 1,000 turkish forces are near mosul, the second largest city. they are ready to help kurdish
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forces to retake that city in the coming weeks. all this has u.s. special operations forces getting ready to move into northern iraq and syria. the linchpin of the pentagon effort to increase the fire power against isis. >> we hope to have these forces in a position to carry out their work. as quickly as possible. again, their job, their mission would be to put more pressure on isil and isil leadership. >> reporter: it could be weeks before they are there. defense secretary, ash carter, wednesday, faces a skeptical congress, again, to defend the military strategy. >> if we are going to be serious about isis, the president needs to assign the military a clear mission and allow the military to carry it out. >> reporter: the russians stepping up their strikes
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warning the u.s., their warships, submarines and bomber aircraft were attacking an isis stronghold in eastern syria. in the skies, it's u.s. aircraft doing most of the coalition bombing. >> we have been striking in earnest, all sorts of targets from the high value human targets to command and control centers to training sites. you name it, we have been striking it. >> reporter: some middle east partners are reducing their participation, now conducting an air strike every couple weeks. keeping arab participation, now crucial. >> what happens the day after? once isis is pushed out and there's another political government put in, who is going to run it? if it's not arabs, it's nobody. it's going to be isis or the son of isis. >> reporter: the u.s. and russia are picking up the pace of military activities in the skies, don't look, however, for
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the most fundmental u.s. change. no indication the pentagon plans to send large numbers of ground troops. >> thank you. tonight donald trump's response. angernd condemnation. the front-runner standing behind the plan to ban all muslims from entering the united states. our senior washington correspondent is here with us. jeff, many top republicans are joining democrats in slamming trump. what's the latest? >> that's right. here in washington, the white house calls it disqualifying. republicans are shaking their heads. it's a far different story among the primary voters who are cheering trump on. defiance today from donlds trump. >> we need intelligence in this country. we need a certain toughness in this country or we are going to end up like a lot of other places and we are not going to have a country left. >> reporter: trump defended his
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proposal on cnns "new day." >> you can have many more world trade centers if you don't solve it. many, many more. >> reporter: on overheated campaign season hotter with republicans rushing to join democrats in condemning trump. >> this is not conservatism. what was proposed is not what this speart stands or or this country stands for. >> reporter: he said the ban would be temporary. it's fdrs actions toward the japanese in world war ii. he announced the proposal to loud cheers. donald j. trump is calling for a toet l and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> reporter: his comments drew fire from gop rivals. >> he's a race -- religious big
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got. he doesn't represent my party. he doesn't represent the parties the men and women wearing the uniform are fighting for. >> what we shouldn't do is say all muslims aren't coming into our country. it's not about the blow hards just saying stuff. that's not a program. that's not a plan. this is serious business. >> reporter: former vice president, dick cheney weighed in calling it a violation of religious freedom. >> this notion that somehow we can say no more muslims, ban all religion goes against everything we stand for and believe in. >> reporter: the white house called the comments misguided and dangerous. >> what he said disqualified him from serving as president. >> reporter: a round of interviews saying supporters are tired of political correctness. >> got standing ovations as soon as this was mentioned.
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>> reporter: there were standing ovations in south carolina. i was in the crowd and talked to many voters. some didn't know the full extent of trump's proposal and bristled at the ideaideas. they are frightened, angry and believe the current administration is not doing much. there's little reason to believe it will hurt trump in the republican primary. so far, nothing he has said has z. >> thanks very much for that. joining us, republican congressman peter king of new york. thanks for coming in. were you stun ned by donald trump's comments? >> no. he's made so many remarks whether it's about mexicans, female moderators or john mccain, i wasn't surprised. here's the problem with trump.
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he points what he's saying that immigrants coming from countries where there are large terrorist organizations get extra scrutiny. that's legitimate. you can't ban people because of their religion. he takes what could be a legitimate point and carries it to an extreme. >> do you agree with the white house this should disqualify him as president? >> that's up to the american people. he's going to have to clarify it as he goes along. i wouldn't say disqualify. that's a strong word to use. his numbers may go up after this, at least briefly. >> that's what a lot of people suspect. when we spoke of donald trump, you were not going to run. you told me, as a new yorker, he may be a billionaire from the east side of manhattan, but talks like the guys i grew up with in queens or brock lynn. he talks like a real person. you were complimenting him.
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>> i was complimenting him, but he carries it too far. if he wants to say the correctness and we have to have greater scrutiny from people coming from terrorist countries, that should be said in a way you are not targeting a religion, where the source could be coming from. he carries it to extremes. again, it appeals to certain people in the street. as we get close tore voting, people back away. >> what does it say about your party when he goes up in the polls or because of these controversial comments, a brand-new cnn poll that just came out last hour. he's way ahead in new hampshire. >> i think people, right now, voting and expressing real opposition to president obama, you have mass killings of americans, people killed overseas, paris and the president gives a major address from the oval office and talks about islam phobia and how he's going to keep doing is same
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policy. that builds up in people outrage and donald trump comes along and takes advantage of that. people are going to realize, that's not the way to go and it's going to be harmful to the party. >> there's only eight weeks to the caucus. here is a hypothetical. if it were trump versus hillary clinton, who would you vote for? >> depends. if he keeps up with this, it is hard to support him. >> hard to support him, but could you see yourself voting for hillary clinton? >> probably not. maybe i would write myself in, come back as a candidate. >> if he ran, he is often back and forth threatening to run as a third party independent candidate, what would happen? >> if he stays strong and he doesn't get the nomination, then i say that could be a factor. if he fades out early, it is not much of a factor. if he's running strong in march,
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april and may and doesn't get the nomination, he could be a factor as a third party. >> say hillary clinton -- >> it would make it easy for hillary clinton. we shouldn't pass up this opportunity. >> stand by. a lot more to talk about including isis inspired terrorist attacks in california. much more with congressman peter king when we come back. the markets change, at t. rowe price, our disciplined investment approach remains. we ask questions here.
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we are back with congressman peter king. we are following breaking news on the investigation into the terror attack in san bernardino. both killers pledged allegiance to isis with tashfeen malik posting on facebook on behalf of her husband, say yesterday farook as well as herself. let's talk about the killers. the notion is she was radicalized before they came to the united states. lived briefly in saudi arabia. do you know she came here as a radical, looking back? >> that is what the fbi is telling people. they believe she was radicalized in saudi arabia.
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i think, again, that goes to the point when people are going to the countries, we have to do a deeper job of vetting. we knew she went to that school over there that, a very radical type school. that shouldn't have slowed down the process. >> her husband, farook, born in chicago, a u.s. citizen, he met her online, a marriage website, if you will. do you believe that some of your colleagues believe that she used that fiance visa to come to the united states to kill? >> maybe they used each other. to me, it's more than a coincidence he went over there and found her, she found him, they connected. i think he went there looking for someone like her. >> you think he was radicalized, too? >> i think so. i'm just saying. he likes to shoot. is that a signal? certainly, much more is going to
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be coming out. she clearly was radicalized. didn't take too much to radicalize him, if he wasn't already. all of that, i think so much the fbi has to look at here. so many sources. so many people they have to go to. >> have you been briefed on what they suspect about the mother who lived with them in that townhouse, others involved in the plot? >> i know the fbi is looking at her. the fact she was there. all the bombs and heavy duty artillery there. $10,000 in her account. it's hard to believe you could be living with someone in the house and have somebody who is, your son or daughter and with all that artillery, all the guns, bullets, pipes. so, i would say that they are very, very curious. >> other individual who actually gave him those guns, who is being questioned right now. what can you tell us about him? >> he is not yet a suspect, i
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understand. he is being questioned. you wonder why he purchased two guns. so many coincidences here. so many people touched. >> was this an isis inspired plot or was this an isis directed plot? >> we don't know, yet. it's at least isis inspired by the reports, whether it was isis or al qaeda they were probably leaning in that direction. right now, terrorist wise, isis is the flavor of the day. they are the ones out there, the most prominent. >> obviously, the use of firearms, they were well trained, they practiced in firing ranges. they had equipment there for 19 pipe bombs. is it your suspicion that this attack, the round of killing 14 people at the county facility was the first of several they were planning? >> i think all that ammo they had, all the supplies and to carry out the attack, they
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planned a series of attacks planned. if there was an argument that spurred this, hey, we are going to do it now and get it over with. >> following the president's address from the oval office the other night, you tweeted that speech was a total failure. no substance, no change of policy. those were your words. what is your plan? what is your idea of destroying isis? >> overseas, we should do more than bombing. we have to have troops on the ground at least in special forces in greater numbers. we have to have spotters. we have to take away the restrictions on the pilots right now. two-thirds of the pilots returned without the bombs being dropped because of the restrictions. >> they don't want to kill innocent civilians? >> they are always going to be killed. we have to accept that. we need much more surveillance in the muslim community. it's politically incorrect to say it. it's what the nypd was saying in
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new york. one way to find out about them is people on the ground. >> how many troops would you put in syria, u.s. troops? >> at least 10,000. >> you would be ready to deploy 10,000 u.s. troops? >> in syria and iraq. >> 50 going to syria -- >> it's not enough. >> 200 could go back and forth between syria and iraq. how many in syria? >> 10,000 is a good number for iraq and syria. >> the leader of isis there. reports he's moving around. can you confirm the reports he's moved from raqqah, the headquarters capital in syria back to mosul. is he moving back and forth? >> i can't confirm that. once they feel they are being targeted, they move. i can't confirm that. >> he's being targeted. do you know if he's comfortable
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enough to move around? >> if he is moving, it's because he is not comfortable staying in one place. >> the other thing the president is talking about is the 100 kilometers turkey border open to movement back and forth 60 miles. most of that could knock that. yesterday, the white house deputy national security adviser says isis is selling oil across that border through turkey. what can you tell us about that? >> i can't go into detail. >> they are a nato ally. >> islamist element in turkey. they have been playing it both ways for several years going back to 1998 when -- i'm sorry, going back several years ago when they had been facilitating. blurted out the truth when they said that turkey was looking the other way. going through europe, turkey,
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syria and back up again. >> a serious problem. thanks for coming in. >> thank you, wolf. >> just ahod, working sources about the attack in san bernardino and the possibility that others were involved. also, more from donald trump and critics defending a ban of all muslims. he stood firmly during a tough exchange here on cnn. don't let it conquer you.. with the capability and adaptability of lexus all-weather drive. this is the pursuit of perfection. i absolutely love my new but the rent is outrageous. good thing geico offers affordable renters insurance. with great coverage it protects my personal belongings should they get damaged, stolen or destroyed. [doorbell] uh, excuse me. delivery. hey. lo mein, szechwan chicken, chopsticks, soy sauce
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tonight, donald trump's rivals are getting more aggressive taking on the presidential front-runner, slamming muslims from entering the united states. a while ago, dr. ben carson said trump's plan is unconstitutional. trump isn't budging. listen to the way he explained it to his supporters. >> i wrote something that is very, very important and probably not politically correct, but i don't care. i don't care. [ cheers and applause ] >> so, what's happened is we are out of control. we have no idea who is coming into our country. we have no idea if they love us or hate us. we have no idea if they want to bomb us. we have no idea what's going on. by the way, i have friends that are muslims, they are great
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people. they know we have a problem. they know we have a real problem. something is going on and we can't put up with it, folks. we can't put up with it. we have to figure it out. we can't live like this. it's going to get worse and worse. you are going to have more world trade centers. it's going to get worse and worse, folks. we can be politically correct or we can be stupid, but it's going to get worse and worse. until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it proposes, we cannot be the victim of horrendous attacks by people who believe only in jihad. they are people who only believe in jihad. they don't want our system. they don't want our system. and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. they have no respect for human life.
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when we see violations, you have to report those violations and quickly. don't worry about profiling. i promise, i will defend you from profiling, i promise. >> just hours after trump unveiled the stunning new plan, he faced tough questioning here on cnn. listen to some of his conversation with "new day" anchor, chris cuomo moe. >> your proposition is plain, ban all muslims until we can figure out what's going on. people are asking you how you would do that. i say put it aside. it's irrelevant. it's the concept. you have leaders in your party in iowa, new hampshire, you have value vanized political rivals saying it is un-american, extreme and makes you a fascist, how do you respond? >> i totally disagree. look at what's going on and it is disgraceful.
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first of all, people quickly forget world trade center one, world trade center number two. you take a look at all the thing that is are happening, having to do with the problems. now you have the problem in california where and miraculously $28,000 just found in this guy's account, this horrible, you know, person, this killer, this maniac, into his account. i have no doubt that we have no choice but to do exactly what i said until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. we have a problem in this country. you look at paris. you look at the carnage that took place in paris. look at paris beyond that. paris is no longer the beautiful, gorgeous city. paris has a tremendous lot of problems. they have areas in paris that have been radicalized where the police refuse to go in and look
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at it. >> we are well aware. >> you look at london. you look at other places. >> we are well aware. >> you say that routinely. >> i have been on the ground, in those communities and talked to the french authorities. >> it is so out of control, it's dangerous. >> the police are all over the country. more importantly, to your point, it is the opposite reality. you see the french being more embracing of people around them. you see them living their lives. you see them refusing to accept fear as a basis for behavior. here, what you are doing, in the country that is known as a symbol of freedom, is saying we are too afraid to be inclusive. we are going to reject the promise of america and ban an entire religion, even though we need to do things on a case by case basis. it seems as though you are acting out of fear, not making us look strong and rejecting what america is all about. uk is not doing this. france isn't do this.
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>> don't tell me about paris. paris is under tremendous siege. they are absolutely in fear in paris. don't tell me paris is not. >> they have heightened awareness. they do not have fear. they are not acting out of it. >> of course they have fear. of course they have fear. i have friends living in paris. they want to leave. they are petrified. >> are they banning all muslims? >> maybe they have to. >>itis not on the table. >> i'm talking about a temporary situation until the representatives can figure out what the hell is going on, chris. >> let's talk about the latest back and forth with dana bash, jeff and cnn chief politicalage cyst, gloria. every republican candidate either disagreed or distanced himself/herself from trump on this issue. republicans out there, there's a
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significant chunk of that republican base that likes what they hear. >> we don't have polling since donald trump has given this proposal. based on the polling we talked about last hour that cnn has out from new hampshire, yesterday in iowa, the national poll friday, more broadly on how donald trump would fare as a commander in chief, fighting isis, foreign policy, across the board. he is winning, not by a little bit, but by a lot. it's hard to see that his numbers would change and go down based on this widely by party leaders from national level to state level. >> you have a new column on cnn.com. trump flocked the conventions in place. for now, at least, it doesn't matter. in a large field of gop candidates, the support among one-third of republicans, a minority, there's enough to keep them on top.
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any republican running would like to have his numbers. you write he may get a lot out of the controversy. >> we don't know. he could get a bump out of this with supporters. this is -- trump is no fool. he's an opportunist, wolf. he understands the leadership vacuum that his republican base believes exists in this country. they are disaffected from government, disaffected from institutions. they like what he says. they believe he is honest and different and he flouts convention. so, among his supporters, i think he could gain as a result of this because they believe that he is speaking truth to power. and that he doesn't care what the ramifications are that -- and i agree with him. for now, at least, that's working for him and other republican candidates are like punching jell-o. the more they attack him, it doesn't work. >> you were with him in south
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carolina. you spoke to supporters at the rally he had. what did you hear? >> they like his strength. they like the fact that he will stand-up and he will say it like it is. he will protect them. i was struck by how many people were willing to say, look, we don't like everything he says. you know, a couple times i thought i was not going to be able to support him. when they look at the field, they believe he is the strongest one. someone who attends a donald trump rally, stands in line three hours and goes through exercise, that is part of his 30%. that is all he needs in this large republican field. the only thing that will change this momentum is if there's consolidation in the republican field with the other candidates. as of now, that hasn't happened yet. the thing you hear again and again, people like his strength. they try to control the race, control the debates. now, i think their task is to
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get candidates out of this race. if they can get candidates out of this race, then maybe that 30% isn't winning the way it is right now. >> unlikely to happen before iowa. >> i agree. i totally agree. >> we'll see what happens. one week from today, a republican debate in las vegas. much more when we come back. withof my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis... ordinary objects often seemed... intimidating. doing something simple... meant enduring a lot of pain. if ra is changing your view of everyday things orencia may help. orencia works differently by targeting a source of ra early in the inflammation process. for many, orencia provides long-term relief of ra symptoms. it's helped new ra patients and those not helped enough by other treatments. do not take orencia with another biologic medicine for ra due to an increased risk of serious infection.
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breaking news we are following, donald trump banning muslim immigrants into the united states. moments ago, trump emphasized the ban could be very short. >> it could be quick if our country could get their act together. we don't know what's happening. we have a president that doesn't have a clue. we don't know what's happening. we need toughness and smartness and need it quickly. >> there are many, even in your own party who think isis is going to like your rhetoric. your words are putting us in greater danger. >> and the worst thing that's ever happened to isis. the people in my party fully understand that. they are running against me. for the most part, they have no poll numbers. i'm leading by a lot. they get it. they are trying to get publicity for themselves. when i came out for illegal immigration, two weeks later,
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everybody was on my side, including members of my own party. >> are you a bigot? >> not at all. the least of anybody you have met? >> because? >> i'm a person with common sense. i'm a smart person. i know how to run things. i know how to make america great again. this is about making america great again. >> gloria, what do you think? the latest comments of donald trump's interview with barbara walters? >> there's nothing surprising in it. it's what he's been saying to people like our chris cuomo moe. he says he's not a bigot. a lot of people in this country, having heard his proposal on muslims would say something else. i think that's a question he's legitimately going to be asked. he defended himself and said no, absolutely not. >> he's emphasizing this could be a temporary ban until they figure out what is going on. >> sure, he has said that. he said that in the beginning.
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the point is, executing this seems impossible to dochlt you have a patrol agent, border patrol agent asking people their faith and religion. it doesn't make sense. he may not be a bigot, but that's difference than is he inflaming rhetoric that will spark potential bigots if there are? he may not be, we will take him at his word. he is inflaming rhetoric that is dangerous on both sides. when you see dick cheney and hillary clinton both renouncing something, i think they are probably on to something. >> there are constitutional questions, obviously, about this proposal. but, what trump is smart about is that he understands where the american public is right now. 68%, according to our polls and the american public believe we are not handling the question of what to do about isis and terrorism. 81% of the republic believe right now there are isis
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terrorists living in the united states ready to strike. the president has not communicated his strategy well. democrats will tell you that. republicans certainly will tell you that. what donald trump is saying is, i can fix that. i get understand that. there is a leadership vacuum he is jumping right into. >> in our brand-new cnn poll in new hampshire, the first primary in the nation, he got 32% for donald trump. this is taken before the latest comments. still, it's more than double marco rubio in second place 14%. everybody else in single digits in new hampshire. for iowa and new hampshire, certainly south carolina, as well. >> these state polls are more important than the national polls. this cannot be discounted. he is consolidated 1/3 of his republican base and it's all you need to win. if p you ask yourself why he's leading across the board on terrorism, on the economy, because he is so far dwarfing
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everyone else. of course he is going to lead in those individual categories. he is head and shoulders above everyone. the question is will the other republicans consolidate? will he be able to expand into the 40% range, 50% range? if so, he's off to the races. >> if he wins in iowa, in new hampshire, south carolina, nevada, florida, he is going to lock it up. >> i think there isn't one republican who wouldn't want to switch places with him right now in terms of this polling. how solidified are these votes? if you look at the polling, more than 50% people in new hampshire say they are not quite decided. trump supporters are decided. the rest of the field, not so much. >> voters are still watching this race unfold. it's such a dynamic race. >> thanks very much. important note to our viewers, one week tonight the final republican presidential debate of the year. i'll be the moderator when the gop candidates face off in las vegas next tuesday december 15th. if you have any questions for
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35 years ago a music legend was murdered. the former beatle john lennon gunned down in front of his apartment build buying a crazed fan. kyra phillips hosts a cnn special report tonight called "killing john lennon." you got exclusive access to jailhouse recordings of mark chapman. tell us about that. >> we sure did.
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you're talking about more than 100 hours of mark david chapman talking about little people in his head, wanting to be famous, and of course, orchestrating this murder to kill john lennon. if i had to use one word to describe these tapes, wolf, chilling. >> i knew what was going to happen that day. i just knew it. >> before he left, he put a display in the hotel. it had his passport. it had photographs from when he worked at the ymca, other mementos of his life. >> a display that would make it easy to identify him as lennon's killer. >> it was like his way of saying, look at me, i'm important. >> once the scene was set, chapman left to stake out the dakota again. he first saw sean lennon and his
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nanny. >> chapman came from behind her. reached around to shake sean's hand and then he commented to her, he's a beautiful little boy, isn't he? >> while sean was outside the dakota, inside his father was getting ready for his last interview ever. >> he was so real. he was so incredibly real. he wasn't a rock star. >> laurie kay produced the six-hour interview. so you arrive at the dakota. what was your first impression? >> where did he sit but right on the love seat next to me. the next couple of hours, it's like, that's john lennon. he's sitting next to me and looking at me through his john lennon glasses. >> then came the moment kay says she will never forget. >> when we were talking about him and yoko and he said, i hope to god that i die before yoko
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because i don't know what i would do if she left before i did. in other words, he couldn't continue without her. >> wolf, you see ate motion there from laurie kay. every individual with whom i interviewed, the police officer that arrived at the scene and saw john lennon lying there in a pool of blood. he ran over, knew the ambulance wasn't going to make it in time so he threw lennon over his shoulder, got him in the police car hoping to get him to the hospital in time. he broke down crying. the doctor that had to tell yoko ono her husband was dead. he pronounced the exact time lennon died. he cried in the interview. it just goes to show 35 years later the kind of impact that john lennon had on people, and that still exists today. >> it certainly does. the word chilling is absolutely appropriate.
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kyra, thanks so much for doing this join caiki kyra for her sp report "killing john lennon" 9:00 eastern only here on espn. remember, you can tweet me @wolf blitzer. erin brunt "out front" starts right now. breaking news, trump tripling down on his ban against muslims entering the united states. telling abc news, it would be the worst thing that happened to isis. >> more breaking news on the san bernardino terror attack. the fbi following a money trail tonight looking at the family bank accounts. >> an "out front" investigation, the tape the chicago police department does not want you to see. is there something to hide? let's go "out front." good evening, i'm erin burnett "out front" tonight, the

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