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pamela brown joins me now. you're hearing alarming new information about syed farook. what are your sources telling you? >> syed farook along with someone else may have been plotting an earlier attack in california, according to two u.s. figures we've been speaking with, one of the officials saying the two conspired back in 2012 and a specific target was even considered. they scoped out the area, picked out a target but neither of the officials could say how serious this plotting got, in order, how far along they were in launching the attack. the officials said the two decided not to go through with this after a round of terror-related arrests in that area, saying they simply got spooked at the time, and this is bolstering the belief that farook was radicalized for a period of time before the san bernardino attacks and we are also learning from officials that the two, farook and his friend, had been conspiring to
do bad things, that's a direct quote from the officials. and they have discovered the extent of these plans following the san bernardino attacks, as we've been hearing, john. farook was not on the radar of law enforcement. so this is something, of course, that they're going back to look at and say, look, did we miss something along the way. >> another attack with another person on a different target back in 2012. any word on who this other person is? is this someone the fbi has spoken to? >> this is someone the fbi has spoken to but no other arrests have been made in the case. this was 2012, before isis had established their caliphate. it's believed both of them, farook and his wife were
radicalized before. as a justice correspondent, i cover several cases where people talk about things all the time that they ant to do, things they want to launch an attack here or there. it's again unclear how far they were in the planning stage but it's alarming nonetheless, especially considering what my colleague, evan perez, has been reporting, that farook had guns at the time. he was given guns in 2011 and 2012, around the time they had expected out this target and apparently were planning to launch an attack. >> pamela, stay with us. i want to bring in counterterrorism agent tim clement. the report that farook had planned an earlier attack, the question is how does a guy like this stay off the radar? >> john, unfortunately, it's only that attack that put him on the radar in the last couple of weeks. the fact that he was owning weapons and planning an attack is not something that would be indicative of his personality
that others would see. only those closest to him. whatever this friend or other associate is, that's going to be very important to find out. as we see in the case of, you know, him marrying malik and those two in their pillow talk could have been discussing conducting an attack. it may have been her that gave him the spine to finally go through with an attack. without a substantial step, john -- i'm sorry. >> for the first time we're hearing about this other person that farook had been planning this earlier attack in 2012. we don't know how far along they got, if it was just discussions, but the existence of this other person that farook had discussed terrorist ideas with at a minimum, this has to be something of an intelligence gold mine right now for investigators. >> absolutely. the fbi and atf and local sports are all coming through everything in farook's life, everything in his electronic life, his digital life, and all of that is going to reveal clues and i'm sure there are
communications that date back to this type period three years ago that are very revealing right now which contemporaneously to others around him may not have meant much but looking back i'm sure there are other associates who say, yeah, they were spending a lot of time with this guy, they were doing a lot of things in the graarage, going t the begun range together. >> pamela, any more details on the nature of the fbi contacts with this associate, with this friend as you put it, that farook had been planning this attack with? >> this is someone that farook had known for years. we know -- the fbi has interviewed more than 300 people. this person is one of the 300 people or so that they have talked to and they're very interested in and continue to talk to this person. but, you know, you have to have the probable cause and you have to have enough evidence to back up an arrest. so this is still a very active case, john, and they're only
five, six days into it. there could be a lot of developments in the coming days. we'll have to see. this bit of information that has come to light after the san bernardino attacks is of have to investigators. >> 2012, the timeline here is fascinating. it predates his meeting his wife. it also predates the existence or the creation of isis, this islamic state. it was around in other forms but it certainly want declared until last year essentially. but you have new information tonight as well about the couple, this terrorist couple, pledging allegiance to isis. >> that's right. so we've been -- cnn was first to report that the wife, tashfeen malik, had posted on a facebook page associated with her just before the attack. so we're learning more about that post. she basically said we pledge allegiance and went on to say pledge allegiance to al
baghdadi. it say "we," presumably both of them, they were both pledging allegiance to al baghdadi but apparently there were a lot of errors and misspellings, appeared garbled, which to officials it strange because if you had put all this into it you would think you'd leave more than a garbled facebook message. but this is seemingly all they left behind before the attack. john? >> chris, this is a lot of new information right now that we're just getting for the first time a few minutes ago.
faro syed farook planning a different attack with a different person. >> al qaeda did scoop up a lot of followers and organizes. he could have been radicalized and went looking for a bribe. it's looking like his wife was a contributor but maybe not the catalyst that we thought before. >> certainly calls into question the time he met and whether or not he was seeking someone with similar views. people have been saying was it the wife that radicalized him? well, no. it appears he was planning attacks year before he reached out to this woman. true? >> true. >> this whole case is featuring quite a few interesting loopholes here, a loophole in financing, the nontraditional target, if you will. a lot of things in this case are going to be studied in the future as -- or the visa waiver program, the fiancee exception,
if you will, where you can go to a terrorist breeding ground and find yourself a mail order bride and bring her back to the united states fairly easily. i think this is going to be a case they'll study for quite a while because it has just about everything in it. >> tim, as you were saying, this also now provides years to them they have to look back at. if it was planning an attack in 2012, more than three years ago, they're going to have to look at contacts dating back throw years, not just this new friend who himself appeared on scene tonight but potentially anyone both of those men have come in contact with over the last three years. >> absolutely. they're going to have to dig deep, not just looking into malik and farook's relationship began but predating that not just 2013 or 2012, we've got to go back a long, long time and look at what the support structure was when he came to america or when he got this job. was this planned years in
advance? were there others supporting him in some way? this investigation is in the very beginning stages. this will be a long-term fbi investigation for the next several years i will imagine. >> thank you all so much. pamela, excellent reporting. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> late details on another aspect of the investigation. wo we're working to bring that to you tonight. next, will donald trump back off his chance to keep any and all muslims from entering the united states. offered a chance to back down, we'll see if he took it. >> announcer: "anderson cooper 360" brought to you by:
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heat, donald trump had a chance to talk it back. instead when talking to barbara walters, he kept the rhetoric right it has been from the start and turned it up to 11. >> do you regret your ban on muslims, which some people think is unamerican? >> not at all. we have to do the right thing. i have great respect and love, people have i tremendous relationships with, they're muslims and they agree with me 100%. it's short term. let our country get our act together. they knocked down the world trade center. they tried doing it twice. there are people who have tremendously bad intentions. we have to be tough, smart and vigilant. >> what is short term? >> it could be very quickly if our country could get its act together. we don't know what's happening. we have a president that doesn't have a clue. we don't know what's happening. we need toughness and smartness
and we have to do it quickly. >> there are many even in your own party who think that isis is going to like your rhetoric, that your word are putting us in danger. >> i'm the worst thing that's ever happened to isis. the people in my party fully understand that. >> donald trump not backing down, which means there will be more fallout, more implications, for trump the party, as who they are as a political force and who we are as a company. it will probably not mean a dip for him in the polls. >> reporter: when donald trump first announced his run for president, he made it memorable. remember this comment about mexican immigrants? >> they're bringing crime, they're bringing crime, they're rip i rapists and some i agree are good people.
>> the blowback was fierce, some breaking ties with him. trump jumped seven place in a news poll. and it quickly became clear he was just getting started. in july he said this about senator john mccain, a former p.o.w. >>
he's in the a war hero. he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured, okay? i hate to tell you. he's a war hero because he was captured. >> reporter: again, the blowback was intense and trump did take a hit in the polls, dropping 6 points from an abc/"washington post" poll to 18% in a cnn/orc poll. his numbers quickly rebounded. the next month he had women up in arms with this bizarre
comment about megyn kelly. >> she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. >> reporter: trump later denied he was referring to m menstruation. he made disparaging comments about carly fiorina telling "rolling stone" magazine, "look at that face, could anyone vote for that? can you imagine that the face of our next president?" a poll showed he dropped 6 points after that but was still in the lead. and how we don't know yet how donald trump's call
to want muslims from entering the u.s. will play out, we do know what happened after the paris attacks when trump told msnbc he would strongly consider shutting down
u.s. mosques. >> some of the hatred, absolute hatred is coming from these area. the hatred is incredible. it's embedded. the hatred is beyond belief, greater than anybody understand. >> reporter: he escaped again, jumping in the polls by 4 points according to a fox pole and 8 points according to an abc/"washington post" poll. >> there's the larger question of where his word take the world and the country. some have asked is this language, this persona from trump out and out fascism. is it a cult of action, a celebration of aggressive masculinity, an intolerance of cynicism, a fear of difference in outsiders, a pitch to the frustrations of the lower middle class, intention nationalism,
resentment at national humiliation and popular elitism that promisees every citizen they're part of the best people of the world. does that sound likes trump? well, yes, it does. jeffrey juror joins us, jeffrey toobin ross a, i want to start with you after that dramatic read-in. >> you read it well. >> you mentioned trump could be pro-fascist or certainly close to it. we saw paul ryan condemn the statements about bamming muslims from the united states but he wouldn't rule out voting for him.
ross? >> right. so this is -- sorry, i thought we were going to ryan. so this is -- the problem for republicans is that if they just say trump is a fascist, it doesn't actually get them anywhere because the reality is that trump is tilting in this direction but also succeeding bus he's speaking to people's valid, reasonable, legitimate fears. so the trick for republicans is to be able to say on the one hand, you know, trump's gone too far, this is outrageous, this is unamerican but here's what we're going to do about immigration, about isis, about terrorism that will make you trust us again and they haven't fonund a way to do that. this is the core reality. this is where i tried to end the column. you can't beat a proto-fascist
by saying you sound like a fascist. the only way to do it is to address the issues of his followers and campaign. >> do you think donald trump sounds like and is a proto proto-fascist? >> that's silly. i worked for ronald reagan who often was accused of being a fascist. he or she can be subject to all kinds of charges. as i said, ronald reagan was certainly accused of this. donald trump is accused of this. it's silly. i think ross has got a point, though. there is an incredible gulf between the base of the republican party and the "political elites." it just is amazing to me they are continually out there trying to insult the people that
they're asking to vote for them. instead of listening, paying attention to their very real concerns about whether it's terrorism or the economy or what have you and i just think that's not a good recipe for success. >> jeffrey toobin, do you think donald trump knows what he's doing here? do you think he knows the strings he's pulling and the bull buttons he's pushpushing? >> absolutely. i don't know if he's a fascist or not but the idea that you could take a religion and say that all the people in that religion cannot come back into the united states, even if they are american citizens, nothing remotely like that has ever been proposed as far as i know, at least in respectable company in american history. it's clearly unconstitutional, it never going to happen, but i think it is indicative of how far donald trump has gone from what is normally considered
reasonable politics. >> is it unconstitutional, never going to happen? no legal basis for banning all muslims? >> 9-0 in the supreme court if it ever got that far. >> jeffrey is the legal analyst and i'm not but the u.s. has had exclusionary policies, we had the chinese exclusion act in the 19th century and immigration policy was based on racial and ethnic quotas. i believe his proposal is deplorable. i'm not show sure it would be unconstitutional. i think it's more of an open question. >> i would bow to jeffrey on this but i didn't know that if you are not an american citizens and you are outside the country you have a constitutional right to come into the country. >> i appreciate you bowing to me. but the proposal is not just for noncitizens. it's for citizens as well.
it's for muslims. the people inside the country have the right to associate with people outside the country. >> he wasn't talking about muslims in the country as i understand it. i don't believe it's correct. >> he is talking about a religious test for each and every human being who comes into the united states. as a conservative columnist and someone who thinks about the republican party, can you believe there's a discussion in the republican party about applying a religious test for everyone that comes into the u.s.? >> but there isn't really a discussion -- >> but hang on. he's leading in the polls. >> i would dispute he's the front-runner. i don't think he's the most likely nominee. i think most people watching his campaign don't think he's the most likely nominee. there isn't a discussion about it in the party. every major republican office holder who has weighed in on it
has disagreed and most have condemned it strongly. what trump is doing is getting us to talk about him. this is where he does have something in common with mussolini. when mussolini started out, he was making it up as he goes along. trump is starring in his own reality television show. >> i think that sells trump very short. i think he's proposing ideas that he thinks people will support period. >> i just compared him to benito mussolini. how can i be selling him short? >> i think he's discussing things that people have on their mind but they're afraid to say. >> this is back where i started out. the problem for trump for the party is he's both saying outrageous, deplorable, vaguely fascistic things and putting his finger on real anxieties and concerns and his republican rivals haven't figured out a way
to deal with that combination. >> you're taking donald trump at his word that he's wants to ban all muslims from entering the united states and you think there's a precedence here, jeffrey? >> first of all, he's talking about a temporary situation. i mean, i said that this is a human version of what was done on the original 9/11 itself in terms of the planes. if you'll recall, the faa grounded every single plane flying over america until they could figure out what was going on. he's trying to say here we have a stateless threat. how do we deal with a stateless threat. let's talk about it. let's get into this issue. instead of shying from it and saying, oh, there's no problem here. there evidently is a problem here. >> but, come on, he's not saying anything like what you are pretending he's saying. he's saying let's stop muslim immigration until -- quotiing hm
word for word -- we get our act together. how long do you think that is going to be? >> this is no where close to what franklin roosevelt did. >> which was one of the most discredited -- >> roosevelt was one of the -- >> you're talking about the internment -- >> no, no, no. >> i'm talking about his alien act where he was suspended the naturalization process for every german and japanese american in the country -- i'm not talking about the internment. >> trump's theory is once he becomes president, 24 hours later he'll have everything figured out.
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dysfunctional. >> i have to do the right thing. i am talking about a measure, it's a measure that ends, not a measure that's in stone. we have to find out what we're doing. we letting people into our country, we don't know who they are. >> we don't know who they are, he says. the question tonight is what do the facts say? tom foreman has been looking into the process and joins you now. tom? >> there are many different visas in which somebody could come to the country, four tourism, education, but let's consider someone who wants to immigrate here because they want to permanently live in the u.s. it starts with someone submitting a petition to the u.s. immigration service which says we can move ahead with this process. if so they'll send it over here to the u.s. vees yashs the national visa center, where they will consider how many people are applying from that part of the country, where is this
person in the lineup? are they so far back, there's no reason to move forward? if they say okay, they're going to pay fees and it gets to the nitty-grit nitty-gritty. there the the part trump says isn't working. you're going to have a councilor office look at this person, who they know, what they're related to, what they're up to, are they coming here for a job, for a family? they'll find out why this person wants to be an american. >> and the list of potential disqualifiers is big. >> it is. there may be flaws from it. take at look at all the different reasons you can be disqualified. he could be kicked out for having a criminal record, having a communicable disease, suspected of spying,
unemployable, even if they find he's lying or in any way misrepresented himself on all of these forms. all of that can kick him right back out of the process. only if he gets through of of that does he then have a chance to join about million people a year who are told as immigrants, whether they're living here initially or coming from another country, yes, you can call the united states home. i do want to make one point here, john. we've been talking a lot about syria in all this, this idea of syrian refugees. the process we're describing here is much more intention for syrian refugees. officials say it's the most intention screening with biometrics and fingerprint screening of anywhere else in the world. there are flaws in every system but the idea that the system is broken, there are many people in the government who would say that is flat out not true. >> tom for maum, thank you so much. >> will trump's prose pose al change any minds?
joining us david brody, chief political correspondent for the christian broadcasting network and russell moore, author of "on ward, engaging the culture without losing the gospel. david, you found yourself in the middle of this whole thing a little bit when you tweeted "here is the truth, whether you like it or not donald trump is the on candidate to have the bravery to put out that statement on muslims." now, since the first tweet came out, you said maybe a better word would have been moxie rather than bravery. what did you mean by that? >> he has a bold move up his sleeve all the time. would there be any other candidate that would ever say something like this or do something like this -- or even propose something like this? of course we know the answer is
no. it's bold, it's got some guts, it's got moxie. is it politically stupid or not? we're about to find out. >> dr. moore, david brought up the point, is donald trump the only one who would say something about this? a different question is is this the type of thing that anyone should say? you say anyone who cares about religious lib are the should denounce when he's saying. >> absolutely. we have been as evangelicals fighting for 200 years in order to be consistent, we have to stand up for religious liberty for everyone. it's not a government grant. it's something that belongs to people as endowed by god. so not to condemn these remarks would be horrifically
hypocritical. this is an ugly line of rhetoric we're hearing from donald trump. >> no one covers evangelical voters in my mind as closely as you do. you put out another tweet yesterday where you said you think this could give him a boost among evangelical voters. >> i do. i think it's a crucial, pivotal moment for donald trump and he'll need to pivot. if he's going to go for the clean applause line where 20,000 people love had he says about banning muslims at his rallies and all of that, that's short sighted. he needs to look about talking more about sharia law, talking more about the abuses of women as it relates to sharia law. marco rubio has talked about it and ted cruz has, too. if he can pivot and somehow talk about that, talk about jihad, talk about some of the concerns that many evangelicals and others have about the islamic
teachings, then i think evangelicals will be very receptive to listen to that. but, look, he will be the first to admit he's not going to be the one to wax poetic about this. he's going to need to away himself with a team of experts around him on this issue and there are plenty out there. >> but in and of themselves, these comments with everyone gasping now, you do not think they hurt him, today, tomorrow, next week in iowa? >> depends on the timeline. short term, no. if you're looking longer term and this is still around for a while and he continues to harp on it, then he hasn't pivoted and he's played into this narrative that's out there right now. >> so do you agree with that comment, russell? do you think this could be a political boone, even though up disagree with those comments, do you think, dr. moore, this could help donald trump? >> i have more faith in the american people than that. i think donald trump has to do
more than just pivot. he has to repent and that means to turn away from this sort of blanket denigration of people that is constant. it's not just right now with muslims. it has to do with everyone. and then he has to offer a plan to deal with the very real problem that we have of global terrorism, coming from radical islamic jihadiss and also the situation in the middle east. we need someone serious to deal with this, not someone with easy and cheap lines that's inconsistent. you don't come by a repressive regime by seeking to mimic one. >> thanks, guys. just ahead, late developments in the san bernardino killings. we have new information just in on the money trail that lead to the internet, to the killer and possibly to his mother.
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planning another attack in california in 2012 before he met his wife. they say he worked on the plot with someone else. we do not know who the other person is. they considered a target but did not go through with their plan. there's new details about $29,000 that made its way into the male shooter's bank account not long before the attack. and about the time both husband and wife spent at the shooting range and late details about the guns they used in the attack. justice reporter evan perez joins us with all of this. you're learning more about money that farook borrowed prior to the attack. what can you tell us? >> this loan for $28,500 was made in november, just apparently over from a lender over the internet. and the question that arises from this is what happened to that money? so far investigator believe about half of it ended up with
farook's mother and perhaps this is money he was providing knowing the end of his life of coming, perhaps to provide for his daughter, his 6-month-old daughter they were leaving behind. this money is also interesting because authorities want to know whether or not this played any role in financing this terrorist attack, whether or not this came, whether this means that perhaps there might be some other financing measure that played a role in this attack. so far what we're told, john, is the fbi has found no indication that there is any foreign financing for this plot for this terrorist attack and they also believe that he and his wife already had what they needed. they bought guns in 2011 and 2012. they didn't need any money to help finance this attack. the bulk of this money was sort of end of life to provide for their daughter and his mother after they were killed in this terrorist attack. >> getting new information on
the guns as well? >> that's right. and we've learned from sources that farook showed up on -- just about over a week ago on sunday and monday to target practice with this ar-15, this is a magnum shooting range in riverside, california. the fbi has shown up there and has gotten the tapes, surveillance video to see that he was there practicing his shooting. again, this is days before the wednesday terrorist attack. so the question is also where was the wife at this point. we know that she and he, according to the fbi, both took target practice in preparation for this terrorist attack. >> back to the money for a second. if half the money he borrowed went to his mother, doesn't that raise new questions about what she knew, how much she knew? is she still being questioned? is she a suspect at all? >> well, you know, that is a
great question. that's what the fbi still has on their mind. those questions are not yet answered. they want to talk to the members of the family again about what they knew. one of the things that the fbi director said last need about this idea about seeing something, saying something, he very concerned that members of the family knew stuff they did not tell anyone about. the concern that they do have is this mother or someone else could have seen something suspicious. she was living in a house with a bomb lab in her garage and she didn't say anything. that's a question that they have. >> thank you so much, evan perez. a lot of in information there. back to our panel. chris, $29,000 this guy borrowed. that in and of itself, who knows if that is suspicious, but his mother gets half of it.
does that raise red flags to you? >> yes, it does. i mean, the evidence is sort of mounting against the mother here. as it was just mentioned, pacicalpace ical -- basically a bomb making factory, all the accoutrements of making bombs in the house with her living there, now taking possession of at least three incremental payments of $5,000. it reminds me of the boston marathon bombing investigation where at least three individuals, if not four, were charged with aiding and abetting. one wasn't charged until about a year after the event. they are looking at this very, very carefully, building their space. time is on their side with respect to her. it's going to be very interesting to see if she's indicted in the next weeks or even months. >> tim, there's been a lot of talk about this money, the $29,000 over the last 24 hours. there was talk about who gave it to them?
you can get that kind of money on your own. is it possible to get that kind of loan and establish that kind of financing without a wider terror network? >> yeah, absolutely, john. it looks to me like this individual, apparently from what i've seen online about his income was earning about $72,000, $73,000 a year, he'd been there about five years, he may have seen this advertised online or somewhere. he was financing this life or his after life for his child and mother using what was wire fraud and bank fraud. it's two more additional charges the fbi will be looking at and wire fraud or bank fraud, if they can prove he borrowed the money without ever paying it back because ho would be dying in the next few days, i believe the mother will be looked at very closely.
i don't think she's a flight risk right now because she's under the microscope. so leaving her out there while this investigation continues is to the fbi's advantage until they need to arrest her. >> and there's also the neighbor who apparently bought the ar-15s. he bought them some years ago apparently without any knowledge that they might be used for. what kind of questions would you want to ask the neighbor? >> i'm not sure that we know that he didn't have knowledge. i'm looking at him really as a straw purchaser, which either make him an aider and abettor or make him making a false statement if in terms of federal firearms applications. as a commentator, i think the evidence is mounting against imm as well. and go back to the peer-to-peer leng lending site. it's a quasi financial -- they
may be banks, may not be. they've become the uber of the financial world and it's a terrorist financing angle that may get heavily regulated in the future. >> up next, we'll hear from first responders, including police officers who led survivors out of the building. he showed enormous courage that day and humility now. >> i don't feel like a hero whatsoever. anyone behind me or any one of the 300 people that were there would have said the same thing. that's our job to put ourselves on the line of danger to protect the community. to treat their aches and pains more people reach for advil. relief doesn't get any better than this. advil.
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so i just started poking around on ancestry. then, i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. it turns out i'm scottish. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt. tonight in san bernardino, an emotional police chief read the list of victims as a host of survivors stood behind him. and we heard from the police officer wounded in the shoot-out with the killers. anna, quite an event tonight. >> absolutely. it was an emotional event. that officer you mentioned, who was actually wounded in the shoot-out with the killers, he showed up on crutches. he was shot in the leg and he described that moment feeling like he had been punched in the leg, going down, seeing he had
been shot and yet telling himself i have to keep fighting, something he said he learned in the marine corps. we heard from detective george losano, who you may have heard from and seen on cell phone video, the dramatic scene inside building as officers were escorting the survivors to safety and he described that moment when he said "i'll take a bullet for you." >> i was responsible for watching a hallway that some people came down the hallway and actually that scared me because they opened the door and they didn't announce themselves so it kind of scared me. >> go, go, go. >> at that time i decided to walk them out. when they were passing me, there was a female there with a small child, an 8-year-old little boy that was just terrified, just
shivering almost, to the point of like shaking like a leaf. and i said what i said. >> i'll take the bullet for you, that's for damn sure. just be cool, okay? >> i meant what i said. i said it for them to calm down and relax that we were going to do everything we can to get them out of that building safely. that's our job to put ourselves on the line to protect the community. >> after exchanging gunfire with the male and as i was running up to the corner, i was struck in left thigh. as that time when i was hit, the male was already down in the street. so i did not know who was in the back of that car shooting at us, but i could hear rifle fire coming out of the back of that car. i could also hear my teammates that i was with at that time as well as the officers and deputies up here returning fire at that vehicle, they did an amazing job trying to keep that person inside that vehicle. >> courageous and horrific
moments for so many of those first responders. >> there's a lot more happening tonight. i -- randi kaye joins us. >> he was accused of pushing his wife over a cliff in rocky knack park. investigators are still looking into the death of his first wife. if you're in the market for a 747 or two or maybe three, boy, have we got a deal for you. malaysia is looking for the owners of three jumbo jets abandoned. if no one claims them, the planes will be sold to pay expensie expens expenses. >> and fans gathered in the park near where john lennon was killed 35 yors ago. mark david chapman, the man who
shot him, is still in jail. >> coming up, go inside the mind of the killer with exclusive recordings he made in prison. that's tonight at 9:00 eastern time. we'll be right back. glad i could help you plan for your retirement. alright, kelly and promise me that you'll try that taco place on south street. and we have portfolio planning tools to help you manage your ira. yeah, you're old 401k give me your phone. the rollover consultants give you step-by-step help. no set-up fees.
learned of john lennon's death. just up the street from here. we remember where we were, how we heard, how we felt. watching "monday night football" of all things. we'll see you at 11 p.m. eastern time for another edition of "360." the cnn special report "killing john lennon" starts right now. >> announcer: the following is a cnn special report. a legend, a man of peace, face to face with a man of hate. >> i stepped off the curb, walked, turned, i took the gun and just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. >> john lennon gunned down at his doorstep. the world stunned. >> i felt these horrible feelings, powerful.