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good morning, i'm pamela brown in for pamela costello. thank you so much for being here with me. we begin with a race to the white house where donald trump is leaving his republican rivals behind. a new cbs "new york times" poll showing 35% of gop voters back trump. more than double the support of his closest competitor ted cruz. cruz at 16%, followed by carson at 13%. marco rubio and jeb bush both in single digits round out the top five. cnn sunland joins me now.
>> essence trump is firing another warning shot to the republican party, dropping more hints that he is potentially considering a third party run. pushing back on propyl osal to. and here is how he responded earlier in an interview with don lemon. >> what do you mean when you say if they break this pledge, then you will break the pledge. what do you mean by that? >> well if they don't treat me with a certain amount of decorum and respect, if they don't treat me as the front runner, by far the front runner. if the playing field is not
level, then certainly all options are open. but that is nothing i want to do. >> and this is one of the big reasons that trump is considered such a thorn for the republican establishment part of the party. because he has the potentially to really inflict some serious damage on the party if he were to make that move. a poll today showed that 68% of his supporters would continue to back him if he decided to run as an independent. that is one of the main reasons why there is so much angst within the party because it could not only blunt their path to the white house but implications beyond that. >> and the quandary of whether or not to support him. sunlen, thank you so much. and donald trump is dismissing claims that his calls to temporarily ban muslims is rooted in bigotry, saying that some members of the islamic community have actually praised him for his actions.
>> as you know i have muslim friends, they are phenomenal people. they are so happy at what i am doing. i was called by three people today. very big. they said you are doing a tremendous service. >> joining me now sar sabado, director of the university of virginia center for politics. larry, i guess it is no surprise that donald trump is saying muslims love me. they are supporting this. he's been embroiled in controversy since announcing his candidacy. now the ban on muslims. each time pundits say this is going to be the end but he may not maintains his lead. what can knock him out of the race. >> what could knock him out of the lead is real votes. this five month period of 50
states and d.c. and all of the territories voting. so let's remember the real race hasn't started. but it is perfectly obvious that most of trump's support is going to stick with him. he's still at about a third of the republican party and that leaves the other two-thirds. where are they going to go? they are probably not going to go to trump. >> and that is key that there are still a lot of people undecided. this new cbs poll was taken largely before trump announced this band. important to note but he had still seen a double digit surge in support since october. what do you make of that? >> well the one thing that has happened is the paris attack and the attack in california. and we've seen trump benefit from that across not just in this poll but other polls. to larry's point, in this cbs poll, i think 64% -- so almost two out of every three republican voters say it is too early. so despite the fact that trump has real solid support there is stale lot of fluidity left.
>> and larry listened to what oh's republican said. many in the party have condemned the latest remarks and only one person, a florida congressman has called on him to quit. will we see their rhetoric intensify? >> i think it is inevitable and will intensify again once the contests are about to begin. the leadership will send message, whether the base ever gets the messages or not is another question. but the leadership that believes that donald trump will be a disaster as the republican nominee and will lead the republicans to lose the senate and maybe even lose the house, yes. you will hear from them. because some of them were on the ballot next november. again t base may not listen. the base may not believe them. but the leadership at some point will have v to speak up. they have hoped this would just
go away. that trump would deflate on his own, they'd never have to worry about it. obviously that is not going to happen. >> it is not. and i want to play that sound from the republican party chairman in ohio. let's take a listen and tom i'll get your reaction on the other end. >> we're going to have to distance ourselves from this kind of messaging. it is not going help us win a national election. it is not going to help us win the general election in november. and missing the opportunity this year to defeat hillary clinton would just be a disaster. so we are going to do everything we can to make sure that folks understand that that kind of very kwies divisive, very negative message is not what the republican party is all about. >> what's interesting here is not what we're hearing the presidential candidates saying trump is a gift to hillary clinton what. do you make of these comments? >> that is a very powerful argument. republicans desperately want to win the white house and they are look narg candidate who can help them doing it. and to the extent trump shows
weakness in the general election or weakness among independent voters which republicans will need or among hispanics, you know, i think that is a powerful argument to the 65% of republicans still out there who are now supporting someone other than donald trump. and the question is how quickly do those people coalesce around an acceptable alternative? and again that is going to play out. >> could he be successful? >> well he wouldn't win as a third party candidate but i can see him getting enough to tilt the election to the democrats. heck, if he got even 5% of the vote, which is probably less than what he would actually get, that is enough to tilt the race
to hillary clinton. he could do what george wallace did in 1968. wallace got 13.5%. what ross pro in 1992. he got 19%. however you cut the numbers, basically you are saying president hillary clinton. and that is what the leadership of the republican party is trying to get the base, the republican base to focus on. good luck to them. it is going to be difficult. >> all right. larry and tom, thank you for that perspective. appreciate it. and with all this going on you don't want to miss the last republican debate of 2015 right here on cnn. tuesday night 6:00 and 8:30 p.m. eastern time. was their marriage a sham? one of the questions officials are asking in this investigation into san bernardino. tashfeen malik was not asked about jihadist leans in her screening.ings
in her screening. and cnn's anna cabrera joins us. why was it not brought up during the interview. >> reporter: this is one of those instances hindsight is 2020. we know they were not on any radar or terror related database prior to the shooting so really there hadn't by any red flags. now beknow after the fact, after the tragedy investigators are digging into their pasts a little more.we know after the f after the tragedy investigators are digging into their pasts a little more. and they have had opportunity to see some of the communications from the couple and glean some data from things they found
inside the home. they have been in touch with overseas investigators as well. malik got her fiancé visa to come here last summer. she had a consular interview in pakistan. and at that time there hadn't been red flags after she had already gone through security check, background check, through the department of homeland security. so as a result the consular interview was really focused on trying ing ting to legitimize relationship. that was the intention and she provided answers that really gave them a sense that they were good friends at the very least and she was planning to become his wife. and she did in fact get married to him a month later in california. so authorities say she wasn't asked questions about the jihadist views because there were no red flags from both
checks. >> it is a shared responsibility we now know president obama asking for review of that program. and there is also this former friend and neighbor of farook, enrique marquez. what more are we learning about him? >> apparently he and farook were together plotting an attack back in 2012. you broke the information the other day about this apparent attack in 2012. there was an unidentified individual who had been working with farook at the time we now know that enrique marquez is that unidentified individual. he's the one telling authorities about that plot. he's the individual who was a neighbor, a former friend of farook's. even an extended family member we've learned through marriage to the farook family as well. and he's now told investigators according to u.s. officials that he and farook had been radicalized as early as 2011 that they were plotting attack. they had a target in mind. but they decided not to go through because they got spooked
after authorities in the area made some arrests charging a group of men who were plannings wage jihad. so they decided to back out of that plot. authorities are still trying to verify whether marquez's story is true. they are verifying the details. they believe it is still possible they are telling them this story to deflect any responsibility he may have for what happened here at the inland regional center. because he did provide two ar-15s used in the attack. >> and in geneva switzerland a threat has put the city on high alert. authorities have not said what the precise threat was. security guard tells reuters that the u.n. headquarters in the city is under, quote, maximum alert. a statement by the geneva department of security did not
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but making clear he had no intention of stepping down. demonstrators say the mayor deliberate lly witt withheld. >> reporter: as the release of these string of videos showing police-involved shootings all caught on tape. and yesterday shortly after the mayor delivered his remarks about transparency and accountability and police accountability and justice, protesters came out in large numbers. >> holding that video while we were protecting the integrity of the investigation, not
compromising it, clearly built up distrust rather than built trust. one of the first things that i said to -- the entire task force is you have to look at the policy change. >> now, while the mayor was delivering that speech just a few blocks away in federal court, i was inside that court. city attorneys were arguing against the release of yet another shooting video of another black teen here in chicago. this time it is cedric chatman. he is a black teen from the south side. a carjacking suspect. was shot and killed by police back in 2013. but the city attorney's argued that the release of this video would taint a jury pool. that it would be quote, misused by the media. the judge did not rule. he said he was going to give both parties time to check the
law. and we asked the city of chicago about this. how the mayor was speaking of transparency this one building and yet city attorneys were arguing against the release of this video in another. and they said they know -- and this is according to the city's law department and they know they need to update their policy about the release of these video but they are working on it. the mayor appointed a task force which we know about. he has also asked two city officials to resign. including the superintendent of police. and pamela, protesters are still out there. and they are saying that yes, the mayor has taken some steps. but they are asking for the mayor to be next. >> rosa flores. we'll have to wait and see what happens. and of course this is clearly a huge test for rahm emanuel and his ability to govern. quitting is not part of his dna. do you think the mayor can survive this crisis of confidence in his leadership?
>> i don't think you can find a tougher mayor. but also a compassionate mayor. he's taken the right steps. i think yesterday was a good step towards making things right. i think putting in a task force to be able to listen people. that is what the task force is about. it is about listening to folks. i commend all of the people out prettying and march i i protesting and marching. i just hope we hear more things they want to change as far as policy goes. . we need their help in making sure we put in new policies that will make sure these type of things don't happen again in the future. >> and the a core of protests and dmabding for him to resign is that they believe the video was witt held for political reasons because it was during an election.
>> from what i understand the family came and the family asked the video did not be shown. by their request. and i think the city honored the family's request. >> i think that is a very important point to make. let me ask you this too. because now we know doj is investigating the police department. we know the top cop has now stepped down. even if the mayor does resign, that going to be enough for the people of chicago? >> well, i think what is important is that we change policies. these things have been going on for decades. i'm an african american. i have a teenage son. i worry about my child when he leaves the house every day. all the time. all of us do. we need to change the culture of the police department. racism is still in the community. we need to talk about those things. we need to get past this. and i think all of these things is going to make the city better because of it.
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am i? i couldn't see my hands or anything. the only thing i could do was like touch my face. and even that wasn't registering right. you know? >> yeah. >> to the point where you just want to scream. and you can't -- i can't scream. i can't risk that. so it's like you are standing there screaming in your mind. in this room n this blackened dirt room that is tiny. and just on the other side of that flimsy little wooden door that you could probably easily rip off the hinges the entire world out there. it is everything you are missing. it is everybody. everyone is out there. you know, that breath you are trying to breathe. that release that you are trying to get. everything is beyond that door. >> meanwhile a new congressional report accuses president obama of breaking the law to negotiate the deal that set bergdahl free. gop lawmakers say the president not only sidestepped congress
but quietly negotiated his release for political gain. i'm pamela brown in for carol costello. thank you so much for being with me here on this thursday. we're learning new details about the man police say brought two automatic rifles used to gun down 14 people in the isis linked shooting in san bernardino. right now police are combing through evidence trying to figure out what role he played. marquez has told officials he and farook hatched a terror plot in 2012. so how did a man who neighbors describe as the good guy o and who once worked on cars as the hobby help hatch a terror plot? this is really interesting. because you have this former friend of farook who became -- actually converted to islam. became radicalized in that same year according to sources i've
been speaking with. next year he has this plan with farook to launch a terror attack. does this fit the profile of someone who was radicalized. >> well there is no such thing as the profile. i think that is the reality we are starting to see with who synthesizes with isis or any other groups. but really the kind of people that are attracted in the u.s. to this ideology range from teenage girls to 40-year-old men. some are converts. most of these people are actually quite well integrated, adjusted, kind of your next door neighbor. some of them are petty criminals and drifters. honestly i think nothing really surprises us. >> it really runs the gamut. and we should mention that marquez, he has not been charged.
he said he didn't have any knowledge of the san bernardino attack. but looking at the wide swoth of people attracted to isis. according to a recent study, these have been the individuals attracted to isis. at least 56 we know have been arrested this year. the largest number in a single year since 9/11. the average age is 26 and majority are male. 40% are converts and more than half attempted or successfully traveled overseas but it is also interesting that women seem to be playing a larger role now in terrorism. >> absolutely. if it's true about only a few individuals arrested are female. we also looked at the isis synthesizing scene online especially on twitter. and we followed some 300 accounts. and i would say about a third of them are women. and they actually tend to be the most prolific. the most radical.
so it is really something that women have been involved for a long time. and we see those in european setting. if you look at both paris attacks for example, january 1 and november 1, women played a key role. they were part of it. also from an operational point of view. and we have seen that in the states as well. a few females from the u.s. one from alabama, one from tennessee. who have gone to syria and joined isis and married isis fighters. and they are active online. you can actually follow them on twitter as odd as that sounds. and they are talking about how they want to destroy america. one of them is from chattanooga tennessee. and when the attack in chattanooga took place last july she was happy and tweetic out how happy she was about her hometown, which was full of infidels was being hit. >> is lot of these women are young. some are teenagers. iz incredible. also the report describes how isis online communications are
an echo chamber. how are they effective in reaching and turning young people to join their cause? >> isis has been very good at using social media. it has a powerful message. the creation of the caliphate is something unique. and by itself even without social media such a powerful message. but it has amplified its achievements by using social media and reaching out to people. extremist ideas have always been around but if you were an american living in rural mississippi 40 years ago you would have no way of connecting to a group like isis in the middle east. today that is easy. that is possible. you can talk to people in isis from your parents basement in the middle of nowhere. so that is that connectivity, that diversity of messages that isis sends out that appeal to this very diverse group of people. that is really one of the major successes of isis' ability to mobilize so many people in the u.s. >> and what i find so
interesting about the spernd case is that the couple was radicalized years ago according to the fbi before isis even proclaimed its caliphate. so clearly there were other influences. yet right before the attack they pledged allegiance to al-baghdadi, the leader of isis online. what do you make of that. >> we have seen a few people who have long been interested in jihadist ideology. a few years ago al qaeda was the most important group of that movement. isis comes off sort of an off chute of al qaeda. it is beating al qaeda. it is the coolest brand in the jihadist world. if you were just a follower in the ideology five years ago you would with al qaeda. today you follow the most powerful part. so a lot of people who very second tier followers of the al qaeda today all follow isis
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respect. what does this mean? it's exactly what police officers want done in communities. for officers to get to know the people as they patrol the neighborhoods. and he was a patrol officer for the west baltimore right here in baltimore city. so he knew people. he could call them by their first names. he said that they had a mutual respect. at times they would stand there and talk to each other. but when william porter was called to the stand there was that silence, which there always is. and as he testified first of all his demeanor, he was down to earth. he -- there was not anned a attitude. he seemed young. he seemed just giving the answers. and even on cross-examination, about the same personality. but i think the two most important points for the defense he made was that number one he didn't call a medic. he admitted it. he said that he told the driver of the van that he wants a medic but he didn't call one. why? because he couldn't find out why
freddie gray needed a medic. and he'd had these interactions before where he had this jail itself and itis and didn't want to go to jail hmt e said he didn't seat belt him because of numerous things. he said he was taught in the academy you are supposed to seat belt someone. but when he went for field training they never taught anybody how to seat belt someone in. he never saw it done. and he said also that because it was so narrow in there and we know it was 17 inches inside that police van from bench to bench that his weapon would have been exposed to anyone he's transporting and felt that is too great a risk there. on cross-examination i think the strongest point the prosecutor made, they tried to get the defendant to admit that at that fourth stop, that freddie gray said i can't breathe. because originally the lead investigator put that in her notes. it is not in videotaped
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some calling for his impeachment. that is a generation of a race. with me now to discuss all of this is cnn legal analyst joey jackson. a lot to discuss here. first of off, what is your reaction to what scalia . >> good morning, pamela. the issue for me is when he was referencing for those that contend, which is a theory. which in itself is insulting and degrading. the other reference is him referencing a brief. the concern is whether it was coming from him and reflecting his state of mind or whether he was simply referencing a theory which in itself, i think, needs to be rebuked. i don't know what was in the mind of the supreme court justice. obviously, if he felt this way, it is a major, major concern. >> he did say in his comments,
pointing to one of the briefs, this mismatch. and we know this book has existed. let's talk about the book entitled "mismatch," the theory argues minority students fare fare worse academically than they would have at less selective institutions. >> that was a theory advanced by professor sander. that theory certainly has a contrary point of view by a yale professor that came out, in addition to many others that said, of course it's not hurting. of course the fact of the matter is this is insulting, this is not something subscribed to by a majority of people. the fact is that the other point of view is that there are many points to affirmative action, one of which is cultural diversity. cultural diversity benefits of us, supporting different people, different points of view, being
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the always controversial "south park" is at it again. this time taking on the controversial gun control. >> there's nobody we could trust. >> what do we do now? >> we have to get guns. >> guns? >> it's the only way to be safe. >> if we thought it would protect us, how can we get our hands on guns? all right, cool, we got guns. so now what? >> i already feel a lot safer. >> to discuss this cnn's brian steltzer joins us now. what's the reaction to this? >> all season they've been going after politically correct culture, saying the pc culture is destroying america. in america they're taking on guns. here's another clip from last night's episode. >> i told you to go upstairs
right now. >> well, mom, what the hell? >> i'm not going to tell you again, eric, it is time for night-night. >> mom, put down your gun. >> i am your mother and you will do what i tell you. >> i am going. >> then you go right now, mister. >> i'm going, mom. >> no comic books. straight to sleep. i love you. >> i love you too, mom. night-night. >> wow, he -- he listened. >> kind of like a rorschach test. can you take away from it whatever you think. you can think typical hollywood liberals making how horrible it is when everyone has gub. but there was no horrible shootout or violence in the episode which i see some conservative blogs cheering saying liberals didn't get the moment they wanted from this show. it's a silly comedy, cartoon characters but the creators make these episodes so quickly, they
produce them just days ahead of time so they're very topical. there's someone for everyone in this season finale. >> i didn't realize that. >> there are other highly contentious issues this season tackles. quickly, what are those? >> early on in the season they were mocking donald trump. that continued later in the season. they also made caitlyn jenner a character this season and she was in the finale last night. they're able to react to what's in the news. that's one thing that makes this show special. it's been on the air 19 years. some might think it's a silly comedy but it does touch on political issues. there's some pretty piercing political satire from "south park," from all places. >> we just saw that. thank you. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" starts right now. good morning to you.
i'm pamela brown in for carol costello. this morning donald trump finds himself in a very familiar place, sitting atop the polls as controversy surrounds him. a survey from cbs and "the new york times" shows trump with a more than two to one margin over his nearest competitors. coming in at 35% while ted cruz is in second place with 16%. ben carson tumbling to third with marco rubio and jeb bush each in single digits. trump solidifying his lead among the gop has outrage about his call to temporarily ban muslims in the u.s. grows. as he told my colleague, don lemon, that ban is not rooted in bigotry. >> here's my question. i asked you last time, and some people were shocked, if you were racist. you knew why i was asking you that. are you racist? >> i am the least racist person you have ever met. i am the least racist person. >> are you bigoted in any way? >> i don't think so.
>> islamo phobic? >> no. >> i'm a person who's very smart. i have a certain street sense and i know where things are going. i said, take out osama bin laden in a book written in the year 2000 called "the america we deserve." i said you better be careful because i saw this guy osama bin laden probably on television. i said, take him out. he knocked down the world trade center. >> as i sit here with you, you've been very kind to me, right? introduced me to your family. you've been very kind to me. it has to -- when people say you're racist or home mow phobic, islamophobic or compare you to hitler. does that bother you? >> if that were true, it would bother me tremendously. of course, if you're a racist you probably wouldn't care. if things were true, it doesn't bother me. it's so false, and honestly, i
don't hear it often. >> and don lemon joins me now. good morning. very interesting interview there. he's saying he's the least racist person you know and also said he's good to muslims. tell us more about what he said about that part of things. >> he said his muslim friends, and people on the streets, people he talks to, his constituents, say you're doing muslims a service by discussing these issues and bringing them to light, much as they did when it comes to the situation with mexican immigrants and on and on and on. he believes he's on the right side of history, not backing down. again, he says he's not racist when he believes this is good for muslim people. >> you say, if they break the pledge, you'll break the pledge. what do you mean by that? >> if they don't treat me with a certain amount of decorum and respect. if they don't treat me the
front-runner, by far the front-runner, if the playing field is not level, then certainly all options are open. but that's nothing i want to do. >> that was in reference, pam, he's talking about his possible third-party run, which you know the folks are in washington have been reporting on a lot. he signed this pledge, saying, you know, i'm not going to run as an independent or third-party candidate, but he says now, if the party doesn't treat him with what he says is respect and derod decorum, he's going to do what he has to do, break the pledge. he's not the only one saying that. other ran dates have said that, too. >> does he feel the party is being fair to him? >> no, he doesn't. during the interview he would mention the party. he said, i have an issue with the party. i said, what do you mean? it's like rodney dangerfield, i get no respect. he's leading in the polls,
double digits in front of all the candidates. you could put two candidates together and still would not get the polling numbers donald trump has. and still the party establishment, they don't want him. they speak out against him. they look for ways to get him out of the race. they look towards other candidates to talk in a positive light and bring to the fore. he does not believe he gets the respect he deserves. especially going into the first races and super tuesday and all of that, he says he has to do what he must, and that may mean breaking the pledge and running as an independent. he knows running as an independent would be tough, but if he has to do it, he'll do it. >> thank you for that. let's mention those poll numbers don just mentioned. cnn correspondent jeff zeleny joins me. important to note this poll was taken before trump's call for a muslim ban. but it shows a double digit
surge from october. in those two months, there have been controversies, a black lives matter protester, a reporter he mocked. is this an accurate picture of how voters are thinking? >> this is an accurate picture. that's a national poll, a snapshot of what the country -- at least republican voters are thinking. it's similar in early state polls in iowa and new hampshire, although ted cruz is a little stronger in iowa. marko rubio is a little stronger, as is chris christie. this is a sense of where the party is right now. one of the reasons it is, when you talk to voters out there, and we do this all the time at rallies and campaign events, people like donald trump's strength. they like the fact he's calling it like he sees it. he's not bought and paid for, like he says, by anyone. those are the things driving him. you also hear concerns from voters saying, i don't like everything he says, but on the
whole, we think he would do okay. when you look into these numbers, one thing that jump out at me, it's a similarity between donald trump and hillary clinton. 24% of voters said they are concerned about a trump presidency. 40% say they fear a trump presidency. it's about the same for hillary clinton. 23% of voters say they are concerned about a clinton presidency and 34% say they are scared of a clinton presidency. that shows you the polarization here on both sides. don's absolutely right, the republican establishment is concerned and worried about him. the thing i'm not as sure about is how committed donald trump would be to running as a third party candidate. it's very expensive. it's very, very difficult. and most everyone believes it would most certainly hand the presidency over to the democrats because a third party candidacy
doesn't work. look at 1992, ross perot. that's one of the reasons donald trump wants to keep running as a republican. >> correct me if i'm wrong, a third-party candidate has never won the presidency, right? >> you're absolutely right. it's so difficult given the party structure. i think it's still very difficult to believe donald trump would actually leave the party system and run as a third-party candidate. >> thank you for that. you don't want to miss the last republican debate of 2015. wolf blitzer moderates the debate tuesday at 6:00 p.m. sources now telling cnn that tashfeen malik was not asked about jihadist leanings during her visa screening. officials are taking a look at the marriage between the two terrorist. they believe it may have been set up to help them pull off an attack. the fbi believes both were
radicalized before they even met. ana cabrera joins us now. tell us more about this. why wasn't anything about jihad brought up during tashfeen's interview? >> we understand she had already made it through some security checks, background checks, multiagencies, multichecks and yet no red flags. by the time her application landed at the u.s. consulate and she was doing this interview last summer, there were no questions they felt they needed to ask about jihad. now, of course, it would have been on her to be honest and to tell them her beliefs, but they really focused her questioning on whether she had a legitimate relationship with farook to come here on an fiancee interview. we're told she went through two more security checks and no red flags. unfortunately, this is one of those scenarios where hindsight is 20/20. now officials have been able to
access the electronic communication between her, farook and, perhaps, others, they're learning more about the jihadi beliefs, the radicalization they say dates back years prior to the two talking to each other online. >> part of what's helping investigators piece together this timeline is the former friend and neighbor of farook, enrique marquez. what do we know about him? >> again, he is the friend, the neighbor who provided two ar-15s that were used in this deadly killing. now, he knows farook because they were next door neighbors. he has been cooperating with investigators, we're told, in the questioning. he's waived his miranda rights and giving them chilling information, saying he and farook were radicalized as early as 2011 and the two of them were plotting an earlier attack in 2012. now, he says that they had a target in mind, but they never went through with their attack because they got spooked. they got cold feet after
learning about some other unrelated terror arrest in the vicinity. he did check himself into a mental facility following the shooting attack. they believe it's still possible he is telling them this story, trying to deflect any kind of responsibility for the current situation he may be in, having supplied the weapons to taf she malik and farook. >> ana cabrera, thank you for that report. geneva, switzerland, is on high alert. they are searching for people who may be linked to the paris terror attack. it's unclear how many people authorities are searching for an an international manhunt has been under way for these two men who officials believe are linked to the paris attack. chicago mayor rahm emanuel
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hundreds of angry demonstrators in downtown chicago are demanding the resignation of mayor rahm emanuel. >> shut it down! shut it down! >> shut it down! >> protesters filling the streets, as we see, sometimes scuffling with police after the mayor gave a speech at city hall about misconduct within the police force. a delayed release of videos of fatal police shootings has fueled allegations of a
cover-up. rosa flores joins us from chicago with the latest. i can imagine more demonstrators are expected today f they're not already out there? >> reporter: indeed, pamela, more demonstrators are expected to hit the streets. they are angry. they are upset about the ills of the past and they're asking the mayor, rahm emanuel, to resign in the present. >> how many shots? >> 16 shots! >> reporter: protesters turn up the heat in chicago, asking mayor emanuel to step down, following a string of high-profile, deadly police shootings caught on tape. >> you covered up a videotape and we want you fired. >> reporter: they hit the streets after the mayor's speech about police accountability and justice at city hall. >> your government's first responsibility is to keep you and your family safe and to make sure you feel safe in your neighborhoods. and we have clearly fallen short on this issue, and that needs to
change. >> reporter: just a few blocks away in federal court, city attorneys argued against the release of another police shooting video, this type of cedric chapman, an unarmed black teen, carjacking suspect, who was shot and killed by police in early 2013. the city's argument in court, the release could taint a jury pool and among other things be misused by the media. the chapman attorney points to the laquan mcdonald videos and calls on the mayor to make the chapman video public. >> if the city of chicago and mr. emanuel want to come out and lead the charge that he wants transparency and change, here's his opportunity. >> reporter: in court, the judge said, there is a lot of interest in this, and for good reason, but decided not to release the video for now, pending a review of the law by both sides. in a statement the city's law
department said the city of chicago clearly needs a new policy around releasing videos that accounts for all issues and we're working on it with the help of the recently appointed task force. the mayor has released two city officials in less than two weeks, including the police superintendent. but as protesters march, they say the mayor should be next. he said the buck stops for me. do you accept that? would you like for him to stay and fix the problem? >> of course not. we already know what he can do behind closed doors. he can hide videos. and we're not having it. >> reporter: the mayor is not alone. protesters are asking for the cook county state's attorney, anita alvarez, to also step down. pamela? >> thank you so much. let's discuss this further with chapter coordinator of black
lives matter chicago. if the mayor is so committed to fixing the police department, as he has said, how would his resignation bring about the necessary change? >> well, it would be the first genuine step toward creating a system that is fully accountable to the population of chicago. right now, what we have is more akin to a dictatorship than a democracy. rahm emanuel has not set up any democratic mechanisms that allow the people of chicago to have power in the say so of accountability applied to the force police and applied to our government officials. rahm emanuel's resignation would be the first step in implementing a new system that would represent the wishes and safety of the people of chicago. >> but he has set up this task force. yesterday we heard him apologize and say, look, you know, we have a trust problem. we're going to work on this. why, though, did that only spur on the protests even more?
>> well, because it's another hand-selected appointed representative body that is not accountable to the people of chicago. we have the chicago police board, which is hand-selected by rahm emanuel. we have the board -- public school board, which is another board that's hand selected by the mayor. we have no mechanisms in place currently that allow for democratic control of our processes. what that has resulted is rampant police brutality, police violence and police terror in our communities, including the operation of a black site home and square where torture continues to happen today. >> the video of laquan mcdonald's killing was actually withheld at the family's request, not because of a cover-up by the mayor. do you accept that explanation at all? >> no, not at all. the family was actually out protesting with us, so that is not true.
that was a lie -- >> so, you're saying the family did not ask for that strid yoe to be withheld? >> no, they did not. and the same goes with ronald johnson. he was killed eight days prior to laquan mcdonald and his mother campaigned for over 400 days to have that video released. >> so even if the mayor and cook county attorney step down, what is your ultimate objective for reforming the police force? will that be enough, including the justice department investigation? >> no, what we support an entire overhaul of the entire system. what we have right now in the city of chicago is 40% of our operating budget going toward the police force. half a billion dollars have been paid out over the last four years for police misconduct. meanwhile, we have a supposed financial crisis with chicago public schools. we conducted the largest public
mass school closing in the city. the mayor closed half the city's mental health centers. we have a political crisis. we need a government accountable to the people, represented by the people and in place in order to protect the interest of the people. we need a complete overhaul of the entire system. >> appreciate you coming on, sharing your perspective. still to come right here in the "newsroom" -- for the first time we hear bowe bergdahl in his own words talking about what happened after he walked away from his army post in afghanistan and was captured by the taliban. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot, but ended up nowhere. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology,
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his post, was released last year during a controversial prisoner swap. listen to what he said during a podcast. >> how do i explain to a person that standing in an empty, dark room hurts. it's like, well, you know, someone asks you, does your body hurt? yes, your body hurts. but it's more than that. it's this mental -- like, you're almost confused. there are times i'd wake up and it's just so dark. like, i would wake up, not even remembering, like, what i was. you know when you get that feeling and the word is on the tip of your tongue? >> yeah. >> that happened to me only, what am i? i couldn't see my hands. i couldn't do anything. the only thing i could do was touch my face. even that wasn't, like, registering right, you know, to the point where you just want to
scream. and you can't -- like, i can't scream. i can't risk that. so, it's like there screaming in your minds in this room. you're standing in this black and dirt room. it's tiny. just on the other side of that flimsy wooden door that you could probably easily rip off the hinges is the entire world out there. it is everything you're missing. it is everybody -- everyone is out there. you know, that breath you're trying to breathe. that release that you're trying to get. everything is beyond that door. >> meanwhile, a new congressional report accuses president obama of breaking the law that set bergdahl free. gop lawmakers say the president sidestepped congress and quietly for his gain. bob, what is your reaction to bergdahl doing these interviews as he faces a court-martial and
even a life sentence in prison possibly? >> well, you know, pamela, i'd rather hear from the military, from the psychiatrists, from the general investigating this and the people in his unit. you know, on the face of it, looking at this interview, comparing himself to jason born, clearly if that's true what he's saying, he's delusional. and i've been in that part of afghanistan. and walking off base into the hands of the taliban was an act of insanity. there may be something in this to prove it's desertion and he should be tried for treason. it looks like he has psychiatric problems. i don't think it's helpful to play this stuff on the internet. i'd rather hear from the military. >> well, it's out there now. and i think people are curious to hear what he has to say after all of this. and he is saying that he left his post to put a spotlight on the situation at his base. and then he later admitted that it was a stupid move. meanwhile, bob, soldiers maintain he was not trying to make a big statement and that he
was a deserter. how do intelligence officials figure out which story is true here? >> i would go with the witnesses. the fellow soldiers in that base. was he talking about desserting to the taliban, was he talking about sympathizing with their cause? you know, once they give their statements, it will account for a lot more than what he says about himself. i truly trust the military justice system more than i do bergdahl. and i don't think this helps in the middle of a trial, going public like this. and in is -- the guy who did the interview is a hollywood script writer. i write for hollywood, too, but it's nothing to do with the truth or getting to the bottom something like this. >> the point you made, let's listen to some sound from the interview from sergeant bergdahl around the time he claims he was captured by the taliban. let's listen.
>> they were driving along the road. and i can't tell you what set them off. i can't tell you how they spotted me. i don't know. they deviated. they turned off the road. came towards me. and maybe they were just -- maybe they just saw somebody walking through the desert and they wanted to see who he was, but there i was in the open desert and i'm not about to outrun a bunch of motorcycles. i couldn't do anything. against, you know, six or seven guys with ak-47s. >> so, bob, do you think intelligence officials are worried about information being discussed like this? >> i don't think it's a worry. i go back to his statements. in that part of afghanistan you cannot set foot outside a base without everybody knowing,
including the taliban. it's a very closed society. it's tribal. word of that -- i mean, they knew he had left the base. they were confused, the taliban at first. he didn't have a weapon. there was nothing he could have done. i think this is -- this guy had -- at the time at least, had some real problems. and as far as intelligence he could have given them, it would be minimum. we're out of there now for the most part. i think it's a footnote in this war in afghanistan. >> thank you very much for that perspective. we're also following two candidates vying for trump's top spot. senator ted cruz is speaking right now at the heritage foundation in washington. his topic of choice, national security. and senator marco rubio is set to speak at a town hall in west des moines, iowa in a few minutes from now. now to the man ted cruz and marco rubio hope to knock out of
the top spot. we're talking about donald trump, of course. who's making gains in the polls despite outrage at home and abroad about his call to fight isis by temporarily banning muslims from entering the u.s. as cnn learned, trump's rhetoric doesn't seem to pose a problem for his supporters. >> i'm 100% comfortable with it. when san bernardino happened, it's the first terrorist attack on american soil since 9/11, let me tell you something, it brought back a lot of bad memories for everybody, especially new yorkers. i'm a new yorker. i watched as those towers came down, okay? 9/11 to me -- i don't care about upsetting a few muslims or upsetting a few people. when i think of 9/11, every day, i think of the firemen's faces, the looks on their faces as they were running into the towers to save people. they were rushing towards death, okay? and i think -- i think of all of the little boys and the little girls, okay, that lost their heroes that morning, their moms
and their dads. i think of that, okay? that's what i care about and that's what donald trump cares about. i think of all the wives and the moms and the dads, for probably weeks and months and years, and maybe even today, are still crying themselves to sleep. that's what 9/11 means to us. so, i could care less about a few muslims or a few people that are upset. i could care less about people saying, they don't like donald trump's tone. we need a true leader in this country, and donald trump is that leader. >> ron brownstein is a cnn senior political analyst and editorial director for "the national journal." clearly his supporters are very passionate. do you think that vote er shows the views of the republican party or a point that trump tapped into? >> i think it's bigger than people thought. san bernardino and terrorism further charged this, what did donald trump rise on originally?
it was the hard line against undocumented immigrants. when you look at polling, you see a lot of overlap between the same voters who want a hard line on immigration and also the most receptive to the hardest possible line in terror. in your last cnn national poll, half supported undocumented immigrants. trump was winning half of those voters. the other half, he was winning only a quarter of those voters. no question donald trump has found a defensive nationalist, insular strain in the republicans, among blue-color republicans. it is big, as passionate as you heard. but it may or may not be enough to win the nomination. >> it's true, though, every time these controversies happen his poll numbers go up. they say with each new uproar a largely unpredictable cycle
unfolds. first bombbas, next condemnation, and followed by his tendency to without backing down. the pattern has repeated with many of his major controversies. trump provokes whiplash-inducing controversy that eclipses the current one, triggering a new round of free media coverage that cements his place at the forefront. news cycle. >> it's been working so far. people are looking for the wrong thing. as you heard from that gentleman, you know, there's not -- i don't think there's going to be a big number of existing trump supporters who peel off as he gets more and more outrageous. it's proof to him he'll reverse the trends. the real question is the opportunity costs. whether as the race consolidates and donald trump needs to get from 30 or 35% to 45% or 50% to win states, as you go down the road, is what he is saying
limiting his ability to grow? and i think if you look at polling, there's a lot of republicans, particularly white collar republicans who are more skeptical about trump's demeanor and style. if there is a cost to what he's doing now, it won't be fully apparent until we go down the road and see whether or not he can build a broad enough coalition to win when the race narrows. >> we'll have to wait and see what happens there. thank you. you don't want to miss the last rerepublican debate of 2015 on cnn. wolf blitzer moderates tuesday night at 6:00 and 8:00 p.m. eastern time. still to come in the "newsroom," an officer on trial for freddie gray's death defends himself. why he says he didn't strap gray into his seat belt.
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here's a look at some of the stories make headlines this morning. a california state employee is expected to face charges after a violent encounter with a muslim prayer group. cell phone video posted online, she can later be heard telling that group that, quoted, they are deceived by satan and filled by nothing but hate. at one point slater appears to knock the camera from one of the prayer-goers. watch. >> you are very deceived by satan. your mind has been taken over, brainwashed and you have nothing but hate. >> it is inappropriate, you're right, for someone to tape-record me. it is inappropriate. >> this lady was talking about my god. she was saying -- >> get out. >> do not touch me. >> [ bleep ]. >> call the cops. >> the man filming that video says he posted it online to raise awareness.
>> this lady came from nowhere. she was yelling satan, koran is evil. you are brainwashed murderers. actions like this happen. i didn't predict that would happen. >> slater is refusing to apologize, telling a local tv station that she stands by her comments. the first of six officers on the trial for the death of freddie gray takes the stand in baltimore. officer william porter testifying in his own defense, explaining to jurors why he didn't strap gray into his seat belt during that fatal police ride. jean casarez is outside the courtroom. so, what was his explanation, jean? >> reporter: hi, pam. the explanation for the -- from the defendant on direct examination was that, first of all, the transport van is very narrow. it's 17 inches. for him to go inside and to actually seat belt him in, he felt it was a danger to the officer or any transportee because his gun would be right
there on his right side. it was too able to be gotten by the person that he is transporting. secondly, he said he -- he admitted, i was taught that at the police academy, i was always supposed to seat belt somebody in. i was taught it. but when we went into field practice, it was never demonstrated, never done. officer novak who came after the defendant also testified that he had never seated somebody with a transport belt in the van. what is interesting here -- we want to tell everybody, currently on the witness stand is a neurosurgery expert out of washington, d.c. and also practices here at john hopkins, testifying about the spinal cord right now for the jury. but what is pivotal in this case are the very stops that were made with freddie gray inside that transport van. there were six stops, according to the prosecutor, all in total. it's the prosecution's theory that the injury, the horrific breaking of his neck occurred
between stop two and stop four. why is that so important? because it was at stop four that the defendant, william porter, actually spoke to freddie gray. and he testified on the stand, saying that he said to freddie, hey, what's up? at the very least, freddie said, help, or the defendant believed he said, i need help up, on the bench. then the defendant admits he said, do you need a medic? and freddie gray said, yes. the defendant says that he did not call for a medic because he didn't know why. he kept asking him, why do you need one? he didn't have an answer. of course, the prosecutor is going to say it's because he couldn't tell him anymore. he was too sick. the defense is saying that the injury was between the fifth and sixth stop. that was the first time the defendants knew, had knowledge that there was a medical emergency here, pam. >> jean casarez, thank you very much for that report. still to come right here in the "newsroom," the message one
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ivey says he don't necessarily have to have a gun to protect yourself. >> the cavalry is coming, but if you can eliminate the threat or stall it until we get there, that's what we're wanting. there's a taser, pepper spray. i don't care if you pick up brick to protect yourself and save your family. >> not everyone is on board with this message. one facebook user said, you want citizens to take up arms? we do not need vigilantes to keep the peace in brevard county. a gun advocacy group plans to hold a fake mass shooting. they want to raise awareness, but some critics are pushing back. our cnn affiliate kxan has more. >> reporter: students admit their heads are in the books, prepping for finals, which said they would be alarmed if they saw a mock mass shooting on
campus. >> i might have thought it was a real campus situation going on. >> this could be an overdramatized, nonrealistic performance. we're not there to disrupt or panic anyone. >> reporter: president of the two groups hosting the event says they'll use props like oversized cardboard boxes that look like guns, people will be dressed up like victims and sounds of gunfire. >> this is why campus security is important. this is why gun-free laws are in place around the state are not good. >> i think it's irresponsible. i think it's just bad timing. and it's childish. >> reporter: michael cargill owns a gun shop owner who strongly supports campus carry and thinks having a fake mass shooting is counterproductive. >> what you're trying to do, you're not trying to do anything but derail what a lot of people
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diplomacy but with a girl band. korea is using its most famous girl band for china. jeanne moos. >> reporter: most bands have a leader. this girl band has a great leader, north korea's kim jung-un, who is said to hand-pick them and attends their concerts. three, two, one, lift-off. to honor an actual missile launch, the band played in front of a replay igniting the audiences. the missile struck north america. ♪ then when the cheering died down, they launched again. now an attempt at girl band diploma diplomacy, dressed in north korea army uniforms.
officials gave them a send-off at the station. could the great leader himself eventually follow? >> you could argue that this visit is kind of greasing the wheels for that kim jung-unvisit to china. >> reporter: the spice girls they aren't. they are highly trained musicians. now, if justin bieber falls out of favor, at least he doesn't sister to worry about being purged. but when the band disappeared for about six months, people worried the 20 or so members eventually resurfaced but without their biggest star. ♪ maybe she's just taking a break, but -- >> that's the thing about north korea, they can make the most famous, the most honored disappear and never heard of again. >> reporter: their lansing may
be more lawrence welk than it is beyonce but they're still a blast off. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> well, thank you so much for joining me. i'm pamela brown. "at this hour with berman and boulduan" starts now. >> break news. a manhunt under way for several terror suspects believed to be connected to one of the paris attackers. the focus, switzerland and the threat, they say, is very precise. plus, love him, hate him. donald trump now with his biggest lead yet at 35% support. is the establishment warming up to him or plotting a takedown? and sergeant bowe bergdahl in his own words. for the very first time we're hearing his reasons for leaving his army outpost, eventually becoming a taliban hostage and why he brings up the m