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trump on top. two big new polls with encouraging news for donald trump. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. the first gives trump a double digit lead over his nearest rival and the other shows the republicans -- a majority of americans disagree. a lot to get to this hour on "cnn tonight" but i want to begin with the day in trump. donald trump tonight topping a poll as a likely choice among republican voters for g.o.p. nominee. and joining me now is crystal wright. can we call you editor in chief?
>> queen in chief. >> as well as rick wilson. i'm not sure what to call rick wilson. and both are republican strategists. so let's start with crystal. tonight cnn is reporting that the party establishment is preparing for a brokered convention if trump stays on top of the polls. the top brass needs a plan if that happens. here's a new cbs poll. it is out tonight and trump is on top again. do you think this will be a brokered convention? >> isn't it interesting that conservative voters have gathered around their top contender and all the establishment can talk about like little rats skirying around, how do we topple the people's choice. trump has said that if he is not treated fairly. but what is really going on is what the establishment can't
stabbed is they lost influence this election. they can't put their money behind one candidate because they started with 15 or to. and trump is the choice of the candidates. >> as a conservative and the conservatives are even divided amongst themselves. you have senator ted cruz who is a conservative and people are supporting him. he is going up in the polls. i think there is a real possibility and that's why you have obviously the responsibility of the rnc chair to ensure he is prepared for any potential outcome. and we really don't have a clear nominee at this moment. there are 14 candidates in the race. we don't know hoe this is going to flush out. you can have win individual win iowa, and one win new hampshire, we know some of the delegates will be proportionally distributed. there is a possibility that we are going to see an open convention where delegates might
be bound to one candidate. if cha candidate drops out they're going to go to a second candidate, a second choice. this is going to be a lot -- >> that is a lot of math for mesome as a journalist tonight. >> in my interview with trump i asked him about running as an independent or a republican. >> just so you understand, that's nothing i want to do. i want to do it just the way i'm doing it. i want to win iowa. i want to win new hampshire. i want to win south carolina. i want to win the sec and nevada. i want to win the whole group. i have the capability and the numbers to run the table. >> he wants to win the sec. he wants to win everything. does the rnc have to walk a fine line here. if he runs an an independent it could be 1992 all over again.
>> donald seems conflate anyone who runs against him with the rnc. the chairman has been respectful like he would be to any other candidate and the fact that trump views the pledge he signed that as something he can walk away from is absurd. but you know, the threat, the gun to our head, the i'll walk away and be an independent. if he does it, he does it. and that's him handing the election to hillary clinton. he will not win as a third-party candidate. >> you seem take aback by that. >> what bothers me about what you're saying is it's like this idea that a certain country club that you might be a part of it. i'm not part of it. you guys know best. instead of attacking trump, he's the one being threatened every
day, all these established -- >> boohoo -- >> let me tell you something -- >> politics is a -- >> let me finish. >> politics is a tough business. >> you are attacking me because i'm saying the truth. >> no, i'm telling you -- >> the party -- >> the reason why. >> it is a tough business. >> one at a time, please. >> let me finish. >> if donald trump is so delicate. >> the reason -- he's not delicate. >> from outside parties. >> we'll go in the other room and let them talk. >> crystal -- >> crystal -- >> i am going to talk -- >> let her finish her statement. >> you have lindsey graham calling donald trump a racist and a bigot. i -- can i finish? >> crystal. >> he didn't. >> he did not say. that. >> >> he did not say that.
>> he suggested because -- he lambasted him for the muslims comments. i would argue lindsey graham who defended flying the confederate flag over the capital. and he was supposed to be a part of the inclusion fen nom. donald trump has done more to outreach to blacks and talk to real americans than the rnc has ever done. >> rick first, go ahead, rick. >> first off, that was a depersian on the chairman. >> i think you know that was a dispersion that was undeserved. >> let's go back to the point. >> you asked him not to interrupt. so let him finish. >> lindsey graham and every other american, the first
amendment says that others are allowed to say things about donald trump even if his delicate ego gets hurt. politics is a tough game. if he doesn't like it he should pursue something else. >> go ahead, mercedes. >> he is going to support the republican nominee, period. >> correct. >> at the end of the day the last thing we need is hillary clinton as president. here's the deal with donald trump. we should have all of the republican candidates sign a pledge saying that they're going to support the nominee. they did it with donald trump and all the other candidates like kasich, lindsey graham, they should say if donald trump is the nominee we have to back him up. >> look at this. >> when san bernardino happened the first terrorist attack on
american soil since 9/11. it brought back a lot of bad memories. i'm a new yorker and i watched the towers come down. i don't care about upsetting a few people or a few muslims when i think of 9/11 every day, i think of the firearm's faces the looks on their faces as they were running into the towers to save people. they were rushing towards death, okay? and i think of all of the little boys and little girls, that lost their heroes that morning, their moms and dads, that's what i care about and what donald trump cares about. >> that focus group was saw mazing. we know that donald trump is a great salesman but he has tough talk. what would he cdo in the oval office. you don't know what happens when you sit in that seat but it's a lot of experts say that his
proposals would hurt us in the war on terror. >> i'm not working for donald trump. that it's a question you have asked him. but he has talked about being more aggressive in syria and not waiting as long as the president did. even hillary clinton has said she would have done a no-fly zone. donald trump has supported that. but i want to go back to what mercedes said. if trump signed a pledge but the pledge needs to go both ways. all the candidates instead of attacking trump, if trump is the nominee we will get behind him. >> thank you for that segue. this is ted cruz, the "new york times" obtained audio of ted cruz questioning the judgment of donald trump and ben carson and had this to say about his strategy. >> the final two candidates are trump and ben carson. both i like and respect donald
and ben. i do not believe either one of them is going to be our nominee or our president. their campaigns have a natural arc. my approach much to the frustration of the media has been to bear hug both of them and smother them with love. >> it's kind of genius. >> do you think this is leaked on purpose? >> i don't know if it was leaked on purpose but cruz has what i called the pilot fish strategy for a long time. >> what is that? >> swimming alongside the great white shark of donald trump and avoiding being eaten. and i have also said that cruz has been careful to feed the alligator a little at a time in hopes that the alligator tries to eat him last. it's not an unwise tragedy but i don't know what happens to ted cruz on that moment when donald trump decides to turn on him and blow him up. the intensity of the cruz
supporters is such that if he declared that ted cruz was an enemy of the state, ted cruz would be in the witness protection program the next day. >> that is pretty good, rick. i can count on you for the zingers. do you think that this -- again, mercedes, i'll ask you this, this could have been leaked on purpose. will it hurt cruz? >> i don't think it will hurpt cruz. i don't know if it was leaked on purpose or not. cruz is talking to his supporters and the supporters are asking what is the trump and carson phenomenon. cruz has made a decision not not to attack trump and cruz is building a strong ground game in places like iowa. he is looking at the southern states and saying he can win the evangelical voters but it's this you is competing for the same voters who are supporting trump.
>> next time, i want you guys to bring your "a" game. >> come on. >> appreciate that. i can want wait for the next debate. they are next tuesday, december 15th. las vegas. up next, results of a new poll on how fearful americans are of a new terror attack. also as investigators try to determine the extent of the san bernardino terrorist ties to isis. and a terror plot against a new city. oh no... (under his breath) hey man! hey peter. (unenthusiastic) oh... ha ha ha! joanne? is that you? it's me... you don't look a day over 70. am i right?
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. breaking news, former oklahoma city police officer has been found guilty of rape and forcibled somy. he was charged with 36 counts of sexual crimes against 13 african-american women wild he was on the job. he will be sentenced next month and faces more than 200 years in prison. we'll follow up on cnn. following the attacks in san bernardino, americans are more afraid now than at any other time since september 11th of a terrorist attack on american soil. one in five believe it's most important -- the most important issue facing the country. 40% of republicans say they are confident in donald trump's ability to handle terror threats. joining me is bob bair.
good to have you here. mr. bair, starting with you. the san bernardino attack has sparked real fear in people and the investigation is pointing to a wider, deeper plot. where do you think this is all going? >> not a good place. i think americans -- this came as a surprise to them. they thought we went into afghanistan and iraq to stop this. 14 years later we have the same problem, a big attack. it's worse in a way because it's americans involved and there are so many converts to this cult, it is a death cult. law enforcement, what does a single officer do, what is a training? do they use flash bang grenades or concussion grenades in the police are ready to go to war and the fbi is all over san
bernardino and riverside afraid is it a bigger network out there and they don't know for sure and they are anxious. >> despite being afraid, the new poll by nbc shows a big majority of americans, 57% oppose trump's plan to ban muslims. but when you break it down by party, 42% of republicans and 36% democrats are in favor of this. >> trump's comments are dangerous and disgusting. he is simply channelling a perception that has existed since 9/11 and continues to get worse that muslims are something to be feared and they are incompatible with the west. and we have seen hate crimes rise. >> there have been attacks
against mosques. >> there was a pig's head put there. >> can you blame trump for that? >> i don't think that is important. what we can blame trump for is to continue to perpetuate this notion that we are at a clash of civilizations and that the west is at war with islam. and what is frightening about this is a majority of republicans agree with him, one in five democrats apparently are behind this proposal. and this is nothing new. for 15 years we have been waging war against muslim majority countries and it's troubling that this is -- >> when you hear one in five democrats, i mean, because democrats are the liberal party, right? >> right. >> has the has to -- >> there is a lot of ignorance around what is islam and what it means -- >> what it means to be a muslim. >> and i think the real issue here is that this is not just an
embarrassment for us as americans but it's really troubling he is gaining so much traction and it seems as though he is exploiting and capitalizing just like isis is, this false notion that we are at war with islam. with 1.5 billion people. >> this is what donald trump said to me yesterday about san bernardino, the terrorists. >> the public agrees with what i said. they saw those two animals last week go out and shoot people and the husband and wife, the wife came here on a phony visa, on a visa that frankly it was disgraceful -- and she probably radicalized him. she had a fiancee visa. a disgusting and disgraceful thing. and the people are with me. the politicians -- look the politicians are very upset. they haven't caught on.
i don't think they will catch on. >> bob, he says the people are with them but calls terrorists animals and a lot of people agree with him do. you think this kind of language will help the cause, his cause, maybe? >> clearly, those people were savages in anybody's definition. but we can't forget that more muslims are dying in this war than anyone else. you look at syria and iraq. you know, and the second thing is you know, having spent my entire life in the middle east is we need these people, the muslim countries to turn on this cult, these radicals which are not accepted in islam and i say that in all belief. and we need saudi arabia and pakistan, we need them to close down the madras. and this is all through history, this has happened where islam has turned against the militants
and destroyed them. and it has always been internal. >> i don't mean to interrupt. you bring up saudi arabia. we keep having the same conversations about whether or not islam is inherently evil, whether or not muslims should be condemning this rather than talking about the billions of dollars in arms we have sold to saudi arabia. and this points to the power -- >> exactly. >> to your point, it points to the power of terrorism. it points to the main weapon of fear that we see time and time again to paralyze the public and then provoke the reactions that only lead us to the cycle of violence and politics and the media -- >> before you get involve --
point taken. but when you are talking about the united states and someone who is running for president in the united states -- you are talking about what the united states has done to perpetuate terrorism worldwide. but he he is running here. the american people are voting for him. >> but what about our moral standing? >> i don't disagree with you. but what i'm saying is, there is an issue in the united states that we're discussing about we're talking about a presidential election in the united states. those issues should be dealt with and can be dealt with. let me do this -- i just want to put this up of muhammad ali. he said we as muslims have to stand up to those who use islam to advance their own personal agenda. i believe our leaders should bring understanding about the religion of islam and clarify
that the misguided murderers have perverted people's views on what islam really is. >> this is what i'm saying, it's not just that we should stand up against the extremists. there are extremists on all sides. people are exploiting and capitalizing this situation and this dichotomy by try to drive a wedge in order to, you know, create a rift. >> bob? >> he is exactly right. >> that's the last word. >> the problem is -- going back to 2003, the government has been wrong about the conflict in the middle east and the americans don't trust the government and that's why they are looking to trump as someone who appears to speak truthfully. i don't think he does. but americans are frustrated with this war. >> that's got to be the last
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. an egyptian comedian and political satirist has a lot to say about donald trump's call to ban muslims coming to the u.s. he had a tv show that was modelled on "the daily show." here is a clip of the two men together. >> america is like a dog with a hot spot on its butt called the middle east. you think you have to keep licking it but you're just making it worse. >> are you saying that america has to -- >> yeah. >> no, not the cone. >> america needs the cone. >> no, we can't wear the cone. >> yeah. >> it's good to have you. how you doing?
>> >> hi, i'm good. how are you? >> i'm great. i'm not sure if you think this is a laughing matter. how much of what donald trump is saying, how much attention is it getting in the middle east? >> he's getting a lot of attention. you know, we're having our own donald trump in the middle east but their opinion leaders and heads of state and very popular people. this is why the middle east is one big mess. please, america, learn from us. this is the prequel of what's happening now. so don't. just don't go there. >> what should we learn from you? you said please, america, learn from us, what should we learn from you? >> don't get donald trump. this is what happens when you have someone like donald trump in charge. we have xenophobic, racist people who drive a lot of public opinion here. this is what you get.
a lovely, beautiful, middle east. as you can all see. >> you are a satirist, comedian. are people laughing about this or do they think it's dangerous? >> well, you know, you just laugh for a couple -- the first couple of minutes and say, this is very dangerous. last ban muslim from getting into the united states and put i.d. tags on the people already there and build a wall to prevent the rapist mexicans to go in and make fun of people with disabilities. we are a couple steps away from concentration camps and gas furnaces. this is stupid. and what's really even more scary is not what donald trump is saying, i mean, there are stupid people everywhere in the world. what is scary is the amount of support he is having. 30% of the g.o.p. supporters
support trump. 35%. the second, 16%. it is really scary the amount of support he is getting and the many people buying into his narrative. >> can you blame all of that on ignorance? you are saying, there are a lot of stupid people but can you blame all of that on donald trump and his supporters? >> well, no, i think you reap what you sow. this started many years ago with a certain narrative that happened. you start with george w. bush and into sarah palin and you end up with donald trump and tea party and all of this. it didn't happen overnight. there are mistakes everywhere. but you can't just like use certain things that is happening, the word is an excuse to put other people in danger. yes, there are many people who
use the narrative of religion in a dangerous way. and most muslims are subject to that threat more than anybody else. isis has killed more muslims than they killed anybody establielse. but you can't just use that to alienate every one else. there are more muslims that are developed, some of them pray and some don't. some are atheists. some of those people who look muslims are sikh or christian arabs. but the way this is going, you create a whole collective mind of xenophobia, making people look at everyone on the street who look different than them as a time bomb. you have had people removed from
airplanes because other passengers were not comfortable. >> you may have just shaved it tonight. that was a joke. a lot of the muslims in the middle east are critical of donald trump. i discussed that with him just last night. listen. >> what i'm doing now is far more important. and i'm talking about for the muslims, i'm doing good for the muslims. what i'm doing now is far more important than any particular business i have in the middle east. >> makes a lot of money and does a lot of business. you think that is hypocritical, don't you? >> well, of course. i think donald trump hates muslims unless they have very deep pockets. i mean, he has been in the middle east and having a lot of investment. he doesn't see them as a threat because of their money. but i think what he's doing and what is far more important that
he is driving that kind of narrative and hate through racism. and first you asked me about should we blame only those people who are ignorant of what is happening? fear is an incredibly dangerous weapon. when you put any group of people under a constant feeling of fear, you will drive them to do -- i'm sure that many of donald trump's supporters didn't think they would ban a group of people a few years ago. but a constant narrative of fear is dangerous. and it makes people go through extreme -- >> i want to get this in. we have a short time together but i appreciate what you're saying. more to the point when we talk about can you just blame donald trump or fear. islam has a reputation of being
intolerant. your show poked fun of mohammed morsi. how hard is it -- if it's hard for a comedian to do this, is it -- can you see how hard it is for americans to understand the nuance here? >> this is not like -- i have a problem with -- an islamic government but i also had my problems with the regime that removed the islamic regime. i was banned after morsi. we have a problem in the middle east with democracy in general. it's not only an islamic problem but a fascism problem.
you have to ask what is causing this reputation. we have a problem but you can't just collectively judge a certain group of people because of the act of many people who are terrorizing those same people. if you are watching fox news and they are bringing on their extreme shaikhs, they bring on one or two. this is the only image you have of the middle east. but this narrative is deficient because -- because so would christianity would have a bad reputation because of the abortion clinic bombing and planned parenthood? because we as a group of muslims have to be on our toes and forgive us for what these people are doing while we might ask this of other religions too. there are stupid people and jerks in every religion. but to put us all in one package, it's not right.
>> we appreciate you joining us. and thank you for bringing your perspective here. we'll have you back. thanks. >> thank you. >> coming up, despite all the backlash on his proposed ban on muslims entering the country. donald trump tells me he is not racist. and star jones, does she agree with that? believe it. at&t and directv are now one. which means you can watch in the house, in a treehouse, or even in miss pepperpie's house. pause in your pjs and hit play during a pb&j. nice! and enjoy some cartoons instead of listening to dad's car tunes. (dad) ♪meet you all the way! get the best of both worlds. directv at home and 2 wireless lines. from directv and at&t.
during my interview with donald trump he told me the public knows he is right about his plan to ban muslims from entering the united states. here with me is star jones, the president of the professional association of professional women and she came on and she said i have a title, not former celebrity apprentice. >> one of the reasons we have you on, we know you went to a big hillary clinton event tonight and you are supportive of her. but you know the man. you have known him for 20 years. what is your take on his proposal to ban muslims
temporarily? >> min who love america does not think that this is something that anybody should be advocate and i tend to agree with other learned people and thought leaders who have said it should almost bar you from being president of the united states. anybody that would put forth a policy of exclusion based solely on religion, it's a religious test. and i can't understand how you can call yourself an american and say you love america but you don't like americans and you don't like american values. and that's a problem. >> it's hard to get people to understand that we have restricted people on certain countries when we were at war. but we as americans don't usually -- we haven't restricted people on -- based on ledge. it's not part of the constitution. >> i spent my birthday two years
ago in israel. it was an amazing experience to be baptized in the jordan river and walk along the path where christ walked and go to the holocaust museum and learn about what the propaganda was like before the war and how people were co-opted into demagoguery because of religious dogma. and i don't think this is something we should laugh about. i don't think this is something that we should let anybody to get away with or others to glom on to it. >> i asked if he is a racist in my interview. i asked you last time and some people were shocked if you were racist. are you racist? >> i am the least racist that you have ever met. i am the least racist person.
>> are you bigoted? >> i don't think so. >> islamaphobic? >> i am a person who is smart and have street sense and know things where are going. >> i would agree he is smart and he does have a great street sense. >> do you think that he is racist, bigoted, xenophobic? >> i believe you when you act a certain way. i have been taught you take people at their word. when they show you who they are, you need to believe them. and the words that come out of donald's mouth right now are language that are used by racists, period. >> you took him on when he questioned the -- >> this is -- >> you said it is race baiting. >> i called donald on the phone when he first started that birther nonsense against the president of the united states.
when he was casting the president as other. i told him then that i thought that that would put him in a position where people would think he was racist and it was different than the donald i had known all those years. he said star, i'm not racist. and i said don't act like it. he was very angry with me. >> have you spoken since? >> we have spoken several times but we haven't spoken since this last run for president. not at all. i'm very clearly a hillary clinton supporter. i support issues that matter to american families every day. i don't want to hear what this kind of nonsense is. >> you vacation with ivana this past summer? >> i see her -- >> what does she say? >> i think because of our friendship we did not spend any time talking about the donald as she still refers to him as.
and out of friendship we know how to interact with each other. donald, i believe that in some ways donald is enjoying this. i think back to russell crowe in the "gladuater" after he has cut off arms and legs and there is death and destruction and he walks out and says "are you not entertained"? and i think that donald is saying that to us every day. are you not entertained? did a supreme court judge actually say that some blacks belong in less prestigious colleges?
a lot of celebrities prefer to stay out of politics. not this one right here, star jones. >> i'm the president of a women's networking organization. that's my job. >> talk to me about that. hillary clinton, african-american women for hillary. why is she your choice? >> we have fashioned ourselves the brown girls coalition all throughout the country, really have focused our attention on
electing hillary the first woman president of the united states. you know, we say 44 boys is enough. and that's what is slogan is. it's time for us to look at a candidate who is going to speak to the issues that matter to american families, specifically women, higher wages and better jobs, equal pay for equal work. health care that actually is affordable, prescription drugs that are affordable. long-term care for the elderly. you are looking at me like, star, you are giving me a stump speech. >> i know what's happening. >> when i tell you this is important to me, it's important to other women and it's really important to african-american women to show the power of african-american women. african-american women are who put president obama in the white house. both times. >> we were just talking about that. i'm just looking at you because you are allowed to come on to this show and talk about your
political persuasion. i can't do that. >> there is a difference between a contributor and a commentator and someone who is supposed to be a fair and impartial journalist. the line you are supposed to walk even though some people who are your colleagues across all places they don't walk that line, they pick and choose when they say i'm going to be fair and impartial when all they are is inning is pontificating. >> i let people come on and talk and let them say their peace. that's part of the reason we have them here. quickly. i want to talk about scalia. do you think that hillary clinton can do more for black people than president obama? >> it's not so much than she can do more, she's going to do different because she's going to enhance the things that president obama has started. she's going to enhance the
affordable care act. the best example is to make sure that prescription drugs are affordable. she's going to increase the amount of pay for women, equal pay for equal work. >> supreme court justice anton scalia, i'm a lawyer. that tmz comes from you, right? >> it's from "saturday night live." it was tracy morgan. >> who is playing you. during oral arguments yesterday he said there are those who contend it does not benefit african-americans to get into the university of texas where they do not do well as opposed to having them go to a less advanced school, a less -- a slower track school where they do well. >> a hush fell over jerusalem when he made that statement. the justice, i think that he really under estimates african-americans. he under estimates what minority
students can and have done, the excellence from which black people come to education and what they get from it. and i think for him to be that divisive when he has to actually make decisions in cases that have these issues before him, there's no question, talent is universal but opportunity is not. and what he spoke to really does say that his -- >> from scalia to this, this is the first lady. ♪ >> and everyone can make their dream true, kid in michigan listen that could be you. >> so are we going to see bill clinton rap if hillary clinton is president? >> i'm not sure if former president clinton has the same spunk as the first lady. she is just fabulous. >> that was good.
that is an important message. >> can you be biassed enough to -- she can meet children where they are and use positive reinforcement to get them involved in the process. >> on a personal level i know the obamas from chicago and she is just a wonderful woman and she is the -- >> and smart. >> and she is the smart one in the family. >> she is extremely smart. >> i got to go. >> mr. justice scalia. >> we are out of time. thank you, star. anderson cooper starts in just a few minutes. see you tomorrow. we danced in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen.man. when i first got on ancestry i was really surprised that i wasn't finding all of these germans in my tree. i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna.
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