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"ac 360" with jim sciutto starts right now. good evening i'm jim sciutto in for anderson tonight. kneei growing chaos inside the republican party and serious talk about a brokered convention in cleveland. donald trump is largely the man behind the chaos, of course. we're waiting for him to speak in des moines, iowa. we'll see if he throws a punch at his presidential rival ted cruz he has been hinting all day he might very well do. after months of playing nice on the campaign trail, senator cruz questioned trump's fitness to serve as president in comments he made at a private fundraiser. the audio, however, was leaked. and as i said, trump has signalled he may hit back. with less than two months until the iowa caucuses, mr. trump is still leading in most polls, but it's now also an open secret that republican officials including party chairman reince priebus are talking about the
battle on the floor including at a dinner first reported by "the washington post." joining me is sam clovis, donald trump's national campaign chairman and policy advisor. mr. clovis, good to have you on tonight. are you concerned as you look at the polls, see donald trump losing ground to ted cruz there in iowa where you are tonight. senator cruz getting key endorsements, as well, at least one poll showing him leading there. how concerned is that for you? >> well, i think it's just, you know, typical we're 51 days out from the polls, jim. i don't really look at this as anything we need to get upset about. one of the things we ought to be looking at is the consistency of the performance that mr. trump had in the state of iowa. we had ben carson in the led out here and scott walker in the led out here and others that have taken the lead from time to time and i think what is really going
to be, the only poll that really counts is what happens on february 1st when we go into the caucus locations and cast our ballot there is. >> so, mr. trump, once again saying that he will not rule out a third party bid if the republican party doesn't treat him properly. can you clarify for us what does that mean exactly? is the bar of being treated properly, exactly? >> well, i think really what it comes down to is the idea what we're seeing here is not so much out of the republican national committee but what we're hearing from republican operatives, people part of the establishment that donald trump's campaign, as i've said on this program many times before is a threat to the power base of a lot of those people that live inside the beltway and they suck out of the trough inside the beltway and i think that this campaign and others have really put a huge cramp in their style. i think that's what you're hearing, most of the barking of
the dogs that are afraid they are not going to get fed. >> i want to turn once again to mr. trump's proposal to ban muslims. i was on the air live as it came out earlier this week. you've heard from a number of people in both parties, in the just a bad idea but that it literally puts the lives of american soldiers at risk. isis, the tool and i hear from serious people inside and outside government. inside the intelligence and you are a senior policy advisor and how do you respond to the criticisms? >> well, i think that you have to take a look what other people are saying, too. i think we would go out and put forward a policy that we think would threaten and put people's lives in danger is ludicrous and the very notion of that is absolute nonsense. not accusing you, jim, that's
just the cost. the drum beat we see is the fact that the american people believe donald trump and i think all you have to do is take a look at the numbers and they believe him. i come from 29 years of wearing the uniform of this country. i worked in a lot of these similar areas a lot of these people are talking about and my assessment and we have some sense of confidence to come to this country. listen to the news on your network and all you have to do is listen to the news and we hear this very thing, and what is going on in our visa program. the visa lottery program. certainly, just seems prudent to us we would do that. >> i have to ask you to be fair and i'm certainly aware of the polling numbers but you say that
this idea is non-sense. i don't hear it from partisans. i hear it from people inside the counter terror community who are fighting this battle every day. they say not only not practical, they say possibly a threat, possibly a threat to national security to raise that kind of idea in light of the way groups like isis will take advantage of it. >> well, jim, it's getting awful loud in here and i don't know how much longer we can do this but i want to let you know i think those are people that have certainly, they have the best interest of everybody at steak, so do we. we're not going to do anything that's going to go out here and put people's lives in jeopardy and to suggest that is frankly irresponsible. i'm not going to accept that, okay? i'm not going to accept that. >> sam clovis, that is your right. thank you for giving us the time tonight there. certainly a lot for us to talk about. joining me now, anchor of cnn's inside politics thanks is onking
of course and cnn political analyst maggie haberman. so john, you hear there what sam clovis had to say, let's talk first about the challenge, the growing challenge from ted cruz, you know. you hear a lot of confidence from sam clovis. do you think that's misplaced? >> it depends how you look at the composition of the electret. donald trump is way ahead. in a poll ted cruz is ahead. the question is a lot of trump support are new voters, not regular participants like the iowa republican caucus. not quite a primary. the question is can the trump campaign get them to come out, is the passion so great they don't need nuts and bolts and da to of the new age of politics. we'll know the answer as sam told you in about 50 days. this is -- cruz is a classic
iowa candidate. e vvangelical support. trump is more outside of the box, passion candidate and not i idea logical and from our perspective, fascinating to watch. >> maggie, another thing fascinating to watch today was senator ted cruz doing what appeared to be damage control perhaps, tweeting that donald trump was -- is terrific after you broke the story of cruz questioning trump's judgment and p predicting trump's campaign wouldn't stand the test of time. >> i think he very much doesn't want to get on donald trump's bad side. i think that's what that tweet was about. i think that's what his campaign putting out a statements saying that our report was misleading about and then the audio emerged and i think people could hear from themselves what he said. i think that ted cruz has run a very smart campaign this entire time. he's been trying very hard to position himself to appeal to the voters of two people, donald
trump and ben carson and he spoke about both of them in that audio tape and it was a question about judgment for both of them. he suggested judgment to be president is a big one. ben carson seems to be fading. donald trump however has been holding strong but to john's point, we don't know the composition of the electret. if the electret looks sort of more ptraditional, you will see the way it has before, you will see ted cruz do well. donald trump is depending on a lot of new voters. if the trump voters do decide to show up but don't vote for donald trump, ted cruz hopes they come to him. >> we know the risks of placing a bet on any polls but national polls, all right state polls more reliable now that the voting particularly as we get close with voting weeks away because trump certainly doing well in those two with possibility exception, big exception for instance of ted cruz gaining ground in iowa.
>> walk you through history, jim, if i have one christmas wish, after our debate maybe we put less stock in national polls and more in state polls. let me explain why. in 2004 on this week in 2004. john kerry was at 6%. howard dean 29% in the national poll. john kerry ended up being the democratic nominee in 2004 at this week in 2003 and the campaign he was in fifth place nationally. so, you know, john kerry was not your bet this week back then. let's look at the democratic race in 2007. hillary clinton here is the republican race in 2007 on this very day in 2007, guliiani. on this day in 2012 newt gingrich was well ahead in the republican race and mitt romney second place. the national polls are good to see trends and ask questions about issues. they are not so good in predicting nominees. you asked me are the state polls reliable? most of the time yes.
this is iowa 2007. by this point on this very weekend, obama, clinton. senator obama then was beginning to surge past secretary clinton and new hampshire, clinton was ahead on this day back in 2007 and she went on to win new hampshire. the state polls in iowa new hampshire had it right back in this but here is a republican example. mike huckabee went on to win but newt gingrich was ahead in iowa on this weekend. look at rick santorum at 6% this weekend four years ago. rick santorum went on to win and mitt romney tie for second. the state polls are more reliable but it's -- we're in the unpredictable phase of the campaign. pay more attention to the state polls. i wouldn't place a bet on any poll. this say wacky year. >> things change. history shows that for sure. maggie, big question on the weekend and certainly next week ahead of the cnn debate on
tuesday, what if anything, are republicans going to do to try to knock trump off course? we know the republican establishment on a number of levels and yet chief rivals cruise, rubio, carson, they don't seem to go after him too hard them shelves. >> that's really the issue. there is an enormous amount of hand ringing about we want to stop trump and by everybody, the establishment, his rivals, some elite donors. they have not done much to try to make that happen. you're seeing some people make moves. you saw jeb bush's super pact get aggressive and did the first negative ad and i think they thought that was the best way to go. john kasich super pact also airing a lot of ads against donald trump, not clear yet that's moving the needle at all. it will take in the estimation of some establishment republicans somebody landing or several somebodies landing a blow on stage with him on tuesday. i think we can bet that's not going to be ted cruz based on what we saw today. the question is is it a more
aggressive jeb bush, is it a jeb bush that can connect the punch harder and does marco rubio did anything more direct? the question does chris christie assuming he's there end up doing something more direct? donald trump takes a lot of his space and needs to make gains, soon. if you're donald trump, i would say one other thing, if you're donald trump and the campaign message is i'm winning because i'm a winner and i'm a winner because i'm winning in these polls, if his poll numbers start to go down at any point thanks is going to be the reaction to watch and that might matter more than anything anyone else can do. >> we'll see a lot of people watching for that. hasn't quite happened yet. maggie, john king, great to be on. thanks. just ahead, donald trump is speaking now at the rally in des moines. we'll go to him if he makes any news. also ahead, what would a broker convention actually look like if none of the republican candidates collect enough delegates to clinch the nomination on their own. tom foreman is going to break it down for us plus, breaking news on the california terror attack
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is bracing for a battle in cleveland next july, possible brokered convention. donald trump is speaking right now at a rally in des moines, iowa. we'll go to him live if he makes news there. the iowa caucuses now less than two months away. and the republican party fair to say disarray in large part because of mr. trump. whether or not we see a fight on the gop convention floor depending on what happens in the caucuses and primaries of course between january, february and june. brokered conventions extremely rare, which is why we asked tom foreman to walk us through the basics, tom joining me now. tom, explain what exactly that means for a convention to be brokered. >> jim, what it means is all these candidates could be a very wild ride and here is how it would happen. let's say in these early caucuses and primaries, nobody gets a commanding lead. candidate a wins in iowa and maybe b wins in carolina or in new hampshire and maybe over
here in nevada candidates c wins, enough so two or three or four candidates feel like they are still in the race and that continues, state after state after state and suddenly coming into the actual convention with nobody in a dominating position, already you would have what's called a contested convention. and then if you get through that first vote and nobody gets a majority of delegates then you have a brokered convention right then, jim. >> some trump supporters are floating the idea that could lead to a conspiracy in the republican party to cut their man out, the smoky room decision i'm told in the quicken loans center, there is no smoking allowed but is it possible you could have a back room deal to keep him specifically out? >> it's not impossible. let's talk about the brokering process first. if you talk about brokering, that means these delegates are no longer tied to what the vote was like in their state. now they can wheel and deal to
say maybe candidate a and candidate b can combine delegates for one or candidate c and candidate d could do this here. now matter how you do it, eventually somebody gets enough people behind them to get over 50% and as soon as that happens thanks becomes the candidate here. doesn't matter there was brokered, that's the candidate. the trump contenders out there are worried about that process saying this is a way of pushing them aside because the establishment doesn't want them. it could happen. let's say trump came in and that in fact when he arrived, he had more delegates than anybody else but if it did happen and let's say that even though we had more heat, he did not have enough to win out right and more importantly what if party leaders said he is at the ceiling of his support, he cannot get enough to win. then they could hurry up that process of the dealing and the wheeling back stage and basically make sure that could
be a consensus candidate emerges. in that case, you could have donald trump or anybody else that came in with the most delegates coming in still being the loser because somebody else was selected but this is all theory right now, jim. we have no idea if he's going to be the candidate and no idea if this is going to happen. we have to see actual voting before we see if a brokered convention is possible. >> that's right. one thing we know it's been decades since the last time this happened. thanks for explaining it. jake tapper sat down just minutes ago with donald trump right before he took the stage in des moines, iowa and asked him about a brokered convention. let's listen to his answer. >> what do you think about idea of the brokered convention? when dr. ben carson heard about it he got upset and said people were trying to subvert the will of the voters. >> you know, i watched what ben said and agreed with him 100% and wrote him a note. i thought it was excellent and
frankly, he may be right. i've been hearing about closed door meetings and i don't like that. that wasn't the deal i made. i signed a pledge by the pledge was a double deal. there was supposed to be honorable. so we'll find out if it's that way, they will have problems and i hope it's not going to be that way. i hope it's not going to be that way. >> certainly a lot to talk about with our panel. joining me now, cnn political commentator jeffrey lord and jeb bush supporter anna navarro and former presidential advisor david garrigan. you have a little experience covering your share of elections taking part of them in your view knowing what you know now, is it possible even likely in your opinion that this is -- could end up with a brokered convention in light of the divisions we're seeing in the party now? >> it appears to be a growing possibility, jim. that's because there is this large field of candidates that several of whom are well funded
and can go toward the end and because of the rules that have been constructed by the republican nation committee for this election cycle, it may well enhance the prospects of a brokered convention but here is what is really driving the story right now. there was a meeting held by the rnc chairman mr. priebus that was a dinner and the "washington post" said they were talking about if it is a brokered convention, how do we deny trump the nomination and detail the trump thing? that's what set off ben carson and why donald trump is weighing in now and this was driving a lot of the -- i think a lot of the concern about early concern about something that's quite thou theory but could be real. >> they have to have the majority in at least eight primary states and it's possible you do get the convention.
if the republicans do go ahead with this, some sort of back room deal, smoking room deal, do they do so at their own peaarol because the majority of republicans say they do not support and want a main stream candidate. is that a danger? is that a risk for the republican party? >> jim, i just don't think this is happening. look, i know reince priebus. he doesn't smoke and i don't think the smoky room theories, i wish i thought the republican establishment and republican structures had the power to be able to push somebody like donald trump who i think would be a car wreck as a nominee out but i think we realize that power does not exist. those structures do not exist and that there is a risk of antagonizing his followers who are a significant part of the republican base and whomever is the nominee is going to have a very hard job of uniting the
different factions of the republican party, be it donald trump, be it ted cruz, marco rubio, jeb bush whomever it is is going to a have huge challenge on their hands. this is not going to happen. i'm from florida and when i hear the scenarios, i feel like it's the political equivalent of a tropical storm forming and we see models going every which way. bottom line, guys, we're going to have to wait until elections, primaries and votes and we can start the bed wwetting in aprilr may. it's a little early now. >> jeff, i'll give you a chapinens to respond to trump's car wreck as a candidate but on the point of this -- >> maybe train wreck. >> this back room deal, does something like this play right into trump's hand? we know the voters supporting him, an enormous amount of appeal and ultimate outsider, does this narrative of hey, we're hurdling towards this smoky room and the establishment
is going to keep him out, does that kind of have fire to his support? >> yeah, i'll tell you, jim, aside from saying, i don't believe donald trump is a train wreck nominee. you know what this reminds me of and i spent time looking at this, the 1912 republican convention battle between incumbent republican president william howard taft and former president, predecessor and mentor if you will, theodore roosevelt got into this enormous battle for the nomination in 1912. the roosevelt people were the rank and file of the party. taft was the sort of old guard machinery. there was cries of theft and manipulation of delegates and teddy roosevelt in someways was a lot like donald trump. if you crossed him, there was he wil ll to pay and if he lost, he immediately lost the convention hall and they rented another convention hall and he said we stand at armageddon and battle
for the lord and created this bull moose party and they were off and running. i mean, i think if donald trump felt as theodore roosevelt did that he was deprived of the nomination it was stolen from there would be a problem. >> i mean, if nothing else, this is teaching -- it's a great civics lesson because i found myself reading up today on the 48th, 52 conventions. last time you had a situation like this. david, i want to give you a chance to speak on that and the third party point because does it then create a greater likely hood of that as a plan b in effect for the trump campaign? >> well, listen, absolutely go back to teddy roosevelt and that's the election to the republican party split and elected woodro wilson with 43% of the vote. put him in office but where i think it comes in this, jim, for most of the political history, primaries and caucuses the big wigs did select the nominee and
back rooms which they did that. since 1960, the nominee of the party has always been determined by the primary and caucus and since 1960 there has never been a brokered convention. there is an openly contested convention since 1976 where regan and ford came in and neither had a vote buford got the vote, mississippi broke for him. i was working for ford at the convention and, you know, ford went on to win the nomination but this would be the first time in the history of the primaries and caucuses if it were to occur that nobody would come in so here is the problem, since all the people have spoken across the country, let's say trump comes in with 40% of delegates but not 50. do you -- do you at that point have a brokered convention at third most number of votes in the nomination? think how the trump people will feel if someone he beat on a regular basis came in with fewer delegates get the nomination. that's why ben carson, that's
the absolute -- that's the scenario ben carson is responding to. i'll quit the party if there is a theft like that. this will be a very tough, very controversial and very televised -- >> right. >> if it does occur. >> listen, months away and a lot can happen between now and then no question. david garrigan and anna and jeffrey lord, thanks for coming on. breaking news in the san bernardino shooting invest fwagfwag gages. more what the fbi is looking for at the bottom of this california lake and how it might help them figure out a motive. am totally . and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com. ♪ santa has a magic snow globe for every family... ♪
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enrique marquez, the suspect's friend. what are authorities learning because he is cooperating now, isn't he? >> he is cooperating and continues to talk to investigato investigators. he's not been charged but told investigators he and farook built pipe bombs in the past. he said he had nothing to do with the devices at the home of farook and his wife and the ones that went off at the office building and marquez spent multiple days providing voluntary interviews to the fbi portrayed himself and farook back the last couple years saying that look, this was a hobby for us. we were hobdoing a hobby and experimenting but he did boast, if he made the bombs they would have gone off. marquez again hasn't been charged with any crimes but right now, investigators want to know what the additional bombs in the killer's home were intended for. jim? >> listen, hard to believe it's
a hobby when they inspire in a previous terror attack. the search in the nearby lake, you're learning new information now but what authorities are trying to find there, exactly? >> we learned fbi investigators believe the killers visited that nearby park before the shooting attack so right now as we see, fbi divers are painstakingly looking for items the killers may have tried to throw away in the lake. along the items the divers are searching for is a computer hard drive the shooters removed from the home in an attempt to hide their tracks. the fbi got information from internet providers from e-mails but there could be other crucial clues in the hard drive and they want to get to that, jim. >> who were they talking to overseas. pamela brown, thanks so much, as always. lots to discuss on the case. joining me is sean henry, former fbi executive assistant director and bob baer and security analyst and former cia officer. so bob, farook's friend enrique
marquez, i'm fascinated by the more we learn about him. now he's talking to the fbi openly, apparently turned down a lawyer. do you believe he's going to be a key finding out how much wider this network could have been for the attack? >> jim, right now i'd say he was very secondary. he was an unwhiting accomplice to the attack and i agree with you totally on the pipe bombs. i made pipe bombs and trust me, it wasn't a hobby. you wanted to stay away from them. he's a little delusional. he may know something about the 12,000 attacks and so i think we really have to go back and look at the wider network. the hard drive is going to have context on there, what worries me most is the contacts were in the united states, even southern california because there is really no other reason why they
would dump this in the lake or smash it or whatever they have done and you have two cell phones they were trying to hide something, maybe extradition systems, maybe call lists. it's hard to tell at this point but the fbi is sparing nothing to run this down. >> yeah, i mean, if they went through that much effort, you have to think there is value in there, sean. it would have been more -- it's more than a week since the shooting and more than a week the hard drive would be at the bottom of the lake. is that data salvageable? could water damage prevent investigators from finding anything on it? >> jim, it actually is s salvageab salvageable. the hard drive is platters made of glass and aluminum and have a magnetic coding so the water doesn't do anything to the magnetic coding which is how you retrieve the data. what would cause problems is the
plott platters were coka roaded. the team they are using under water search and evidence response team are very specialized in finding this information. they will take that to the fbi lab where they have special capabilities and they will be able to retrieve data, typically off the drives if not corroded. >> you looked at cases like this for years. there are kind of two different interpretations of the attackers, either great and had tremendous preparations, contacts overseas et cetera or operating on their own and made mistakes, strange trip home where they got encountered police and shot and killed. as you look at the details now, do you see, do you see, you know, extremely deaf terrorists or new at the game? does it give you more or less worry? >> i think they -- jim, they were half way there and clearly
hadn't fought in syria or someplace like that where they would be combat ready. the girl holding off police firing off, getting out of the area. when you're in a gunfight like that, you tend to make huge mistakes, drop your magazine, can't pull the trigger and i asked a lot of people that said no, she had some training other than a range. i think she was probably recruited overseas, yeah, and that's -- it's a wider plot here. i've got no doubt about it. >> that's a concerning thing. sean, as you look at that, do you see similar signs? pieces of the puzzle are missing to give that indication? >> well, pieces of the puzzle missing, bob already talked about kind of this wider conspiracy, are there others that may be involved? you know, when you look at the amount of weaponry that they had, the ammunition, 1800 rounds, multiple pipe bombs, building more, you know, you've got to continue to ask yourself
was there something else that was planned or were there others involved? i think that this guy marquez, i know bob has some thoughts on him but i think that he may have some additional information. somebody led the fbi to that lake. perhaps it was a passer by, somebody walking their dog saw them throw something in the lake but perhaps marquez knew about it. somebody led them there. there will be others involved potentially, jim, and this needs to be fully investigated to determine if that is the case. >> we better hope they find what they are looking for. coming up next, isis looting treasures and putting them up on the internet to the highest bidder to fund terrorism. coming up next.
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coalition forces are targeting isis' oil fields more. so isis is looking to make money in other ways including turning to an age-old source of cash. the stealing and smuggling of an excellent antiques. drew griffin is keeping them honest. >> reporter: the evidence is already popping up unsolicited on computer screens and cell phones across the world. pictures like these. offeri offering ancient antiques, roman coins, golden earrings, ripped off the walls in mosul. the seller isis, the buyer the highest bidder. >> they loot everything that's not nailed down. >> reporter: michael donte is director that consults for the state department on what he sees as isis' system looting of the middle east ancient past.
>> they promote looting as a way to generate income for the organization and don't make this a secret. it's done brazenly, very overtly. >> reporter: in february, isis destroyed statutes at the mosul museum. in october it was the 1800-year-old art blown up. images that caused worldwide condemnation but something isis isn't showing you and that's what it's keeping and selling. this hercules is museum piece. this piece of pottery, from a repost tory in raqqah baring the registration number. >> they are looting but also robbing cultural repost torys, universities, archives, private collections and involved in the destruction of heritage places. on a weekly basis, we spend most of our time tracking that with islamic state. >> reporter: it is the smaller items that pose the biggest problems. donte shows us roman gold coins
and ancient glass and figure anies most likely robbed from graves or libraries, low-end items that catch thousands to tens of thousands of dollars and flow across old smuggling routes without much trouble. >> you can put this in a lab top bag. >> reporter: this collection being sold in a bach could be walking out of syria right now if it hasn't already. >> with antiques a single trafficker can walk across the border, slip through a hole in the turkish border fence and empty pockets and make 40 or $50,000. >> reporter: last may u.s. special forces raided a syrian out post and killed an isis leader. it turns out he was an isis money man in charge of a massive smuggling operation. evidence found helped coalition forces target refineries and attack the tanker trucks used to haul oil out. but the raid found clues that pointed to a business-like
system of looting anticties, actual permits giving graverobbers and salve venn gers and thieves permission to dig. >> we can see from the satellite pictures for example it is industrial scale looting and that there are also credible reports of course through the documents that this does feed into terrorist financing. >> reporter: bonnie gardiner and experts across the world the fbi is trying to document the damage, looting and smuggling, identifying items that can be tracked down and after the war returned to their home countries but right now it appears the antiques are flowing out of the war zone in increasing numbers. >> we have credible information that offers have been made to u.s. people and institutions. >> can you give me any kind of details about how those offers were made? cell phone offers, were they social media pitches?
>> no, i really can't go into details but they are credible reports. >> matthew studies isis financing for the washington institute for near east policy. the fact that stolen antiques are becoming a bigger source of funding shows success in containing other sources of isis cash but the terror group he says is resilient. >> as oil revenues drop or get hampered, the hunt for antiques and smuggling and permit issuing increases. >> think of it as squeezing a balloon, not hard enough to pop it but hard enough to squeeze it. squeeze it here it will expand someplace else. we've seen in the past they will expand into other directions. >> and what is not being contained or squeezed or slowed is the ideology of isis that continues to spread. he believes the money will continue to flow to isis even if that means digging holes in the ground to find it. >> so drew, you report there that americans among others i
assume are being offered these antiques as we speak. is it against the law to buy them? >> you know, it's tricky. there is a legal antiques market. what is against the law, jim, is to knowingly buy stolen property or to knowingly buy these antiques that are financing terror. it's the knowledge of that, the best the fbi and other countries can do is to warn people if you don't know where this is coming from and have proof that it's coming from a legal area, you should probably stay away but, you know, we're dealing with a very, very mirky market here. >> the u.s. has a long history particularly since 9/11 of tracking and stopping terror financing. i mean, you say the fbi is putting out warnings now. what else can be done or is being done to stop this very lucrative trade? >> it's very difficult. the experts i talked to say it's difficult for two reasons. one, they don't have a handle on
it and two, a lot of this can be bartered. they don't have to change money. so they can just, you know, walk it across the border and basically, you know, trade it for whatever they need. the best they can do, trey to identify this stuff especially the museum pieces, document where it came from, where it possibly went to and when this whole mess is over, try to track it down and to what we hope will be a stable government in iraq and syria, jim. >> when the whole mess is over. drew griffin, thanks very much. coming up next, a deadly medical helicopter crash in california, details right after this. i am totally blind. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com.
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