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called. >> thank you very much the follow us on twitter. tweet me @wolfblitzer. please be sure to join us right here in "the situation room" tomorrow. thanks very much for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. hillary clinton says hell no to donald trump. donald trump is speaking live to supporters. he will fire back? >> and will ted cruz's policy on immigration prove to be his achilles heel? >> and why did a woman mow down people on the las vegas strip with her toddler in the back seat. why did she do it? good evening. "outfront" tonight, hell no. hillary clinton out of it. she will not tell donald trump she's story. the front-runner demanding an apology and calling her a liar.
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the battle began when hillary said that isis is using video of donald trump as a recruiting tool. no such video exists. while clinton is standing firm, trump will not let the controversy die tweeting tonight, "you think hillary clinton will apologize to me for the lie she told about the video of me being used by isis? there is no video." i want to begin with jeff zeleny "outfront." >> it's a golden opportunity for both of them, politically speaking. quite frankly, it's good for business. clinton isn't afraid to do what many republicans have been, challenge trump. and for trump, what is better than taking on hillary clinton? donald trump wants hillary clinton to say she's sorry. >> she should apologize. she lies about e-mails, white water, about everything. >> clinton said trump's plan to
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block muslims from entering the u.s. had emboldened isis fighters. >> we also need to make sure that the really disdiscriminatory messages that trump is sending around the world don't fall on receptive ears. he is becoming isis' best recruiter. >> reporter: and trump is accusing clinton of making up the proof. >> they are going to people showing videos of donald trump insulting islam and muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists. >> reporter: never mind their primary contest. tonight, the republican and democratic front-runners are locked in a new fight of their own. >> she's been a mess wherever she's been. she's created a mess as secretary of state. >> reporter: but there's no evidence to back up her rhetoric that trump is being used as a recruiting tool for isis. president obama, president bush and even bill clinton have been in recruiting videos. the news set off trump on
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twitter as well. it's the democrats total weakness and incompetence that gave rise to isis, not a video of donald trump that was an admitted hillary lie. there was no specific video but still stood by her broader claim. >> people who follow social media have pointed directly to isis' use of propaganda and nbc has reported that and we rely on that. >> reporter: they love him from the sense he's supporting the rhetoric. they follow everything donald trump says. we told you america hates muslims and here is proof. clinton has no plans to apologize. spokesman brian fallon saying, hell no, hillary clinton will not be apologizing to donald trump for correctly pointing out how his hateful rhetoric only helps isis recruit more terrorists. and tonight, trump has his eye on another controversy. >> colombia!
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>> reporter: this time at the miss universe pageant. >> i have to apologize. >> reporter: very sad what happened last night. i sold it six months ago for a record price. this never would have happened. so donald trump there from swimsuits to pants suits but he says it never would have happened. of course, taking credit for how well he ran the miss universe pageant. erin, i can tell you this fight, back to hillary clinton, is probably going to keep ongoing and it's good politics for both of them. we'll see how long it lasts. >> thank you very much, jeff zeleny. "outfront" now, david gergen and van jones who worked for president obama. katrina, hell no. clinton says you're not getting an apology. >> you know, i just wonder if she's going to apologize to the families she lied to about another video she stated that caused some chaos. this is becoming a pattern for
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her, which is why it's so good for mr. trump to say on her about this. as we're talking about this, we could talk more about her failures, considering that she was in charge as isis began to grow. >> so van, clinton was wrong technically in terms of there's been no evidence of video. okay? wrong on that. does she owe donald trump an apology? >> well, i don't think so. first of all, she overshot the runway trying to make an accurate point. lots and lots of terrorism experts have said over and over again, when you have the kind of bo bombastic rhetoric, where it seems like you're smearing all muslims, no muslims should come to the united states, they are all suspect, you do aid the enemy. she overshot the runway on it. she needs to be more careful and precise but i want to be clear, donald trump has lowered the standards for fact checking, period. every time he talks, he's a full employment program for fact checkers. but it doesn't matter, he still
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gets invited back on shows and back in front of the cameras to continue to say things that are not true. and so if he is saying that she should apologize, he needs to have an hour-long special to issue apologies. until he does that, she has no business apologizing to him. >> with the exception, though, donald trump has not gotten anybody killed, first of all. we have ambassador stevens who died in benghazi because she failed to help. >> that is not right. >> it is right. >> you're blaming hillary clinton for the action of murderers and terrorists? >> no. because she caused this whole thing to happen. >> i don't want to go down the slippery benghazi slope. david, let me ask you the point here on the video. the irony, of course, is that bill clinton has been used in isis recruiting videos and donald trump surely may be in the future but at least to this point he has not. >> don't you think there's a video coming out? they are going to make one real quick and get it out. >> they absolutely could.
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>> listen, i still think donald trump has a point. the cnn fact checker said clinton's claim was false. there's just no proof of it. but donald trump really gives fresh meaning to -- an apology has been in order at least half a dozen times. thousands of muslims -- >> on the streets of new jersey. >> -- on the rooftops of new jersey cheering for 9/11. john mccain is not a war hero because he got captured. megyn kelly bleeding and all the rest of that and carly fiorina's looks. and i thought one of the worst ones was mocking this "new york times" reporter who is disabled and how he moves. i just thought that was way beneath him. there are a lot of other policies here, too. >> katrina, what about the point that david is making, if he
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wants to offer an apology, why not offer one himself, ever? >> mr. trump gives his opinions and thinks out loud. what happened with the democratic debate is hillary clinton actually lied. she made up a story and blamed recruiting -- isis recruiting on donald trump, as if she needed somebody to go out and credit he recruit. this is an ideological war. when it comes to radical islamic extremists, we always here that islam is a religion of peace. they could turn into a radicalized jihadi. that's insane. >> that's not true. >> that is what we're talking about. >> don't say that. don't say that. >> this is recruiting for millions of muslims from hearing something to cause problems. how does this spread exactly then? what are we talking about here? we are just not supposed to ever talk about -- >> van, go ahead. >> i can't led that stand. first of all, you just did
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exactly what we as americans have said we don't want to do, which is paint with a broad brush a group of people. you said, if you say something bad about -- >> hillary clinton said that. >> hold on a second. 1.6 billion muslims on this planet. 99.99% reject all of this stuff. and much more importantly, we have 6 million muslims in the united states. they own stores. they are dentists, doctors. they have a lower crime rate than the rest of us. many are serving in the military. for you to come on here and say over and over again that they are one hair trigger away from doing something horrible, that's not what hillary clinton said. we embrace the good in everybody and point out the bad in a few. but when we put a broad brush out there -- >> that's not what she said. >> every terrorism expert has warned, do not talk the way donald trump is talking. every expert says frankly obama has it right.
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don't even call them muslims. >> the american people, at least in the republican party, poll after poll is showing increasing support for what donald trump said. david, this is the question. if donald trump ends up being the nominee, at least at this point, if the polls are right, he is the nominee. things could change but that's what the polls say and then it's clinton versus trump. a lot of people say she has the upper hand. she will pounce him in debates. you say not so fast. >> not so fast. she's running about 6 or 7 points ahead of him head to head and that's been true for a while. she obviously has much more experience. this is the year of the outsider. you know, she talks policy. he talks in a way that is very accessible to most americans and they like -- >> you said sort of like the reagan/carter matchup. >> yes. back to 1980, everybody thought, including me, that carter was likely to smash him in a debate because he knew so much more
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about policy but reagan brought a connectiveness. donald trump connects but scares the hell out of a lot of people. i think it's very unpredictable which way this is going to swing. >> thank you all for being with me tonight. ted cruz showing off his sense of humor in a new ad. >> twas the night before the shutdown and all through the house, not a bill was stirring, not even to find a mouse. and we're awaiting donald trump. you're looking at live pictures. a big crowd of supporters waiting to hear the front-runner as establishment republicans fight over who could possibly beat trump. we'll see what he has to say about hillary's hell no comment and the mistake held around the universe. what really happened?
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. tonight, ted cruz is facing questions about his views on immigration. he has taken a softer tone on the hot button issue and it's in memo form. he's surging in the polls. his campaign is starting to look and sound a little bit like donald trump's. joe johns is "outfront." >> reporter: sitting atop the polls in iowa, ted cruz is looking and sounding more like a front-runner these days. >> when i tell you i'm going to do something, i'm going to do exactly what i said i would do. >> reporter: a new super pac ad supporting cruz as an anti establishment hero, standing up
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to opponents in both parties, including his rival, marco rubio. >> who stud up to leaders in our own party. >> reporter: a fact that was not lost on "saturday night live." >> everyone who knows me hates me. democrats hate me. republicans hate me. i have what doctors call a punchable face. >> reporter: and even waitiding into the entertainment on his own with this parody. >> imagine christmas stories told by the nar who once red "green eggs and ham" from the senate floor. >> reporter: now flying around in a private jet instead of commercial. >> why am i so optimistic? because we're in an airplane hangar instead of a denny's. i oppose amnesty. i oppose citizenship. i oppose legalization for
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illegal aliens. i always have and i always will. >> reporter: and cruz contrasts his position with that of marco rubio who was one of the leading champions for immigration reform and has been calling the attention to cruz's final past positions, on things like guest worker visas. >> i understand that marco wants to raise confusion. it is not accurate what he just said, that i supported legal e legalization. indeed, i led the fight against his legalization amnesty bill. >> reporter: this 1999 memo written by cruz for george w. bush suggests cruz once recommended a softer tone on the issue, saying, in part, we need to remember that many of those coming here are coming to feed their families, to have a chance at a better life. the memo still rejects amnesty and citizenship, as cruz has said, but shows how his position may have been more nuanced
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before he ran for president. and, as you might expect, disagreements are a big invitation for other candidates to weigh in. jeb bush, who supports a path to legal status for immigrants who earn it, have hit both the republican senators for waging a big battle over something that did not happen. the immigration reform effort failed in 2013. erin? >> joe johns, thank you. i want to go straight now to our political commentator and host of the ben ferguson show, ben ferguson and the author of "too dumb to fail," matt lewis. an under-the-radar candidate a few weeks ago, ted cruz, he's bragging about miss crowds, thousands of people waiting online to get in. >> it's a smart move because people -- part of this is a popularity issue and you want to look at a candidate and see if
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he's going to win and get excited. it's a smart move for him. it's not what he's used to. he's been a policy guy. he's a guy usually fighting in front of the supreme court and running an underdog candidacy in texas. for what he's doing right now, peaking at the perfect time for him, why not smile and let other people know how well it's going. >> matt, do you agree? smart for cruz to sound like trump? >> well, look, i don't know that he's speaking at the right time. i think will win iowa but maybe it's a little too soon and in past years the isis caucuses were much earlier. he's got to keep that momentum going. in terms of sounding like trump, i don't think the conspicuous consumption is a problem or the airplane. i don't think voters mind that. i do think that it could become a problem if cruz does win the nomination because, very clearly, hillary clinton wants to trumpanize the republican party and if ted cruz is the
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nominee, she will tie him to donald trump and all of the bad things that come along with that. >> ben? >> this is one of the things that kind of makes me laugh about politics. the idea that you're so good that if you win the primary, you're somehow going to lose the general election so let's be fearful of the guys at the gop establishment has not chosen as the nominee. it is very obvious right now in this country, with conservatives, no one wants a gop nominee. they didn't want lindsey graham. he's out of it. and there's a lot of people that don't like the third option of the establishment which is marco rubio and he's having problems in the polls right now. so this idea that, don't go out and vote for ted cruz because he's guaranteeing hillary clinton the white house, i don't buy that for a second. i think it's what the establishment wants you to be fearful of but it's not reality. >> ted cruz has always been opposed to citizenship for illegal immigrants in the u.s. that's what he says now. but back in 1999 when he worked
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for george w. bush, he wrote -- and here's what he wrote in the memo, "we need to remember that many of those coming here are coming here to feed their families and have a chance a a better life." that's something that anybody could have said. that's something that would help you in the general but with the republican base in the primary. at some point, he's going to be a flip-flopper, right? >> i don't think there's a difference here. he was writing that for another candidate a long time ago in the '90s. i worked as a surrogate for george bush. if i'm asked to write a policy paper or speech for him, i'm going to do that. the same thing when i was a surrogate for other candidates. i may not always agree with him. you're talking a long time ago when ted cruz was a lot younger. if he was writing that for the own speech that he gave, i would have a much bigger issue with it or concern for it. he was writing it for a candidate who said, i hired you because you're a really smart guy, ted cruz and he did his job
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well. >> do you buy that, matt? he wrote it for somebody else? it's a good defense, ben. it's a good defense, matthew. >> ted cruz worked for a man who says have a family values don't stop at the rio grand. somehow it magically lines up with what the base and republican party wants right now. that's the interesting point here and the danger for ted cruz. voters don't mind if you flip-flop as long as you flip-flop in their direction. voters don't mind if you pander. in fact, most people like being pandered to. but the problem that ted cruz has is, you know that video you showed having the punchable face? >> yes. >> there's something about him that, to some people, might come across as a bit calculating and a bit insincere and manipulative. >> this could go from being an
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immigration issue to being a character issue. >> ben in. >> if you're saying that ted cruz has a character issue, i beg of you, show proof of that. when he was running for the senate as the outsider in texas, if you look at what he said on immigration and border security and what he said about how we have to be humane and tough on the border and we can't give up amnesty automatically, that is what he said in his own words. so there is no flip-flop from that. the same thing he said about the gang of eight bill. >> what about matt's point on character? popularity matters. when you are the butt of a funny joke on saturday night life, that you are the most punchable candidate, isil will hate me because everybody else does, smart but not the most popular guy. does that hurt him or do people say, i want the most popular guy even though i want to punch him in the face? >> if you're voting for somebody
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who is a conservative, you're probably not liking him. you're probably not thinking about punching them in the face. i have no doubt that establishment officials want to punch him in the face and a lot of democrats. but there's a lot of people showing up in the line right now somewhere to see ted cruz speak. >> that's right. >> and they are lining up by the thousands. if anything, he's pretty likable based on what we're seeing in his rallies. i don't see it there at all. >> all right. i thank you both very much. next, donald trump with his rally. jeb bush calling him a jerk. this is a live picture of the rally where donald trump will be appearing momentarily. we expect in the next two or three minutes in michigan. what will he say to hillary clinton? we'll be jumping in there live. and crowning the wrong woman at the miss universe pageant. so we're going to play it for you. was it a mistake or a pr stunt? when you've got a house
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this is a live picture of a rally in grand rapids, michigan. donald trump will be taking to the stage at the podium at any moment. he's on time and sometimes you hear all of the phones going up so he may be walking out. we're going to bring this to you live. what he has to say about hillary clinton and ted cruz. >> you know, it's not funny anymore just for me, to be honest with you, when he says as he did two months ago that isis was not a threat to the united states, just leave it alone.
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and then he said, let russia take care of isis. that's not their intention. now he's praising putin. he's praising putin who is an enemy of the united states. who has repressed the russian people and is acting in their own national interests against the interests of the united states. this is not a serious man. >> sunlen serfaty is live where donald trump is going to be on the stage. jeb bush, marco rubio, chris christie all in new hampshire tonight. donald trump is in michigan. interesting choice. how well is he doing in new hampshire? >> reporter: well, it's interesting, erin, donald trump has been very careful to say that he has any state locked up. the latest cnn/orc poll out of new hampshire showing that donald trump is 18 points ahead of any other candidate. marco rubio is the closest
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opponent behind him in the second spot. donald trump will hit new hampshire and iowa after a brief pause over the christmas holiday. but interesting and something we'll likely hear more from in the final weeks before the iowa caucus. donald trump has been pleading and urging with voters that they have to turn out to vote. that's a big sign that the trump campaign has an awareness that they need these supporters that come to all of these big rallies to actually mobilize and vote. >> sunlen, for the past few days, trump has been hitting hard against hillary clinton and jeb bush. what do you expect in terms of the tone and who he will talk about tonight? >> reporter: he has been going after jeb bush hard, calling him in recent days, "dumb as rocks," that he's an embarrassment to the bush family. and i think donald trump feels that it's given him an opening
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to go from hillary clinton as his biggest foe. certainly, this sort of argument works well in a crowd sort of like this where it's full of supporters and really fires up his base. i think we'll see donald trump repeat those arguments. bringing the heat here in michigan. erin? >> sunlen, thank you very much. as you can hear, donald trump is going to be appearing behind sunlen. we'll be monitoring that for you and bring you live as he starts to talk about hillary clinton. "outfront" now, host of "the money matters" and amanda carpenter, former communications director for senator ted cruz. wes, let me start with you. huge 21 points in the latest national poll. are the other republican candidates running out of time to stop him? do you buy this national polling? >> i do. this polling is very indicative of the tide in america.
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there's an unmistakable tide and it's anti-establishment. and that's exactly what trump is. quite frankly, it's what cruz is as well. you see who is leading the gop and they are taking advantage of it and the establishment tide. you go back to june, july when trump just got into the race, it was a fad kapd, a fad fand. it turns out that it's too late for a lot of the other gop field to make up any ground on trump at this point. >> amanda, do you accept trump as inevitable? >> no. i think he's very vulnerable and i think we're going to see him get notched down a few places. i want to focus on where he's at right now in michigan. i find this fascinating. i have long believed that trump is speaking to a different republican and democrat-leaning voter. earlier this year he went to an area where i grew up and these
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are disaffected union workers that the democratic party has abandoned. that speaks very clearly to their hearts and so i think this is part of his national presence. he's nationally speaking to that kind of voter. i don't think that's going to win him an iowa caucus, maybe not even new hampshire. >> which is an interesting point. the voters that have been left behind. you have jeb bush really now stepping it up on his attacks against trump and called trump a jerk. he's now using words he didn't used to use. he used to be more intellectual about it. now he's not. he's more emotional and raw. are you worried this could pose a real challenge, whether it's bush or anyone else, whether it's bush or christie. >> yeah. he's doing exactly what trump wants him to do and it's not making him look like a very smart candidate. the fascinating thing about
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trump is that for the college-educated group, he's still in the lead but tied with cruz and rubio, ee tech tifly. let's talk that potentially disenfranchised voter all around america. he leads by 2 1/2 times his closest competitor. it's not that different from what happened with barack obama when he got out to vote with a younger vote and what allowed him to win. if trump can get that group, which is two-thirds of the population to vote, he has a real chance at the whole election, not just the gop. >> we're going to dip in here just for a moment. listen to him. he's talking about the democratic debate and hillary clinton. >> but every single poll, who won the debate?
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who won? and it's sort of interesting because the fox poll, which came out -- and it's a big one and a good one -- which came out three or four nights after the debate, had me up 11 points. 11. and i was already leaning. so i guess i won that debate. 46%. that is 46% of the vote. out of 50 people. that's a lot. i would honestly take right now 46% of three people. but this is 15 people. by the way, sadly, i guess you heard, lindsey graham left the race today. extremely sad. he was nasty to me, wasn't he?
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you see how everybody that goes against me is like "x," "x." so we started off with 17 and everybody -- wouldn't that be nice? that should happen with our country. everybody who goes against me, down the tubes. sort of interesting. right? sort of interesting. so i -- this is on the debate and the night of the debate, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people voted. who was number one in the debate? i was. i love you, too. so who is number one? trump drudge, 41%. "time" magazine. they didn't even give me person of the year. they should have. that's why it's heading down the tubes, folks. they gave it to a woman who has not done the right thing in germany. it's not doing too well over there.
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nice woman. i like her. i better like her. i may have to deal with her. hey, putin likes me. i want her to like me, too. right? >> we were on 60 minutes together, not together but together. meaning, i had a segment, he had a segment. there were tremendous ratings. i took full credit. if it weren't for me -- but we were stable in the sense. it was he and i on "60 minutes" like five or six weeks ago and it was great. he came out of nowhere two days ago and said, "trump is brilliant. he's great. he's the leader. he's the leader of the parties." and he said nice things. i don't know. i had never met him so i didn't know. he said nice things. all of a sudden i'm hearing things like, oh, isn't it terrible that putin is saying that? that's not bad. that's a good thing. he can't stand obama.
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obama can't stand him. wouldn't it be nice if we could get along with people, you know? it's unbelievable. you know it's russia, after all. somebody said, are you at all offended that he said nice things about you? i said, no. no. they said, trump should have been much nastier. that's terrible. and then they said, you know, he's killed reporters and i don't like that. i'm totally against that. by the way, i hate some of these people but i'd never kill them. i hate them. no. these people, honestly -- i'll be honest. i would never kill them i would never do that. let's see. no, i wouldn't. i would never kill him. but i do hate him.
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nobody said he killed -- he says he didn't. other people say he didn't. who did he kill? we don't know but we hear that. i say, tell me, who did he kill? it would be so great if we could get russia on our side and other countries on our side and knock the hell out of isis. right? right? so stupid. just knock the living hell out of them. remember, i said take the oil. for years i've been saying that. for years. look, we have people running this country who are stupid. i went to an ivy league school,
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best business school. someone said he's plain spoken. i have this incredible vocabulary. but honestly, how can i describe our leaders better than the word stupid? really. right? there's no word. there's no word. i used to say grossly incompetent. but stupid is stronger, isn't it? i don't know. >> bye-bye! bye-bye! [ cheers ]
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>> aye, ya, aye. >> usa! usa! usa! >> so unbelievable. but i'm really trying to be neutral. to one guy i said, get him out of here now! and they said the next day, it was horrible, horrible the way trump talked to him. >> you're hearing donald trump talking about the polls after the last republican debate and also doubling down on the vladimir putin compliment, vladimir putin calling donald trump brilliant. donald trump saying he's not ashamed of that at all and doubling down on his defense of
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putin and reporters. amanda, what's your take on this? trump speaks to the people in the room. he does not care about the fact that this is publicized around the country. >> the crowd sounds very intense. i mean, these are people that showed up to stand up and cheer because they are with donald trump and with his gut instinct. so that kind of speaks to the greater anxiety and fear in the electorate that many candidates fail to recognize and it's a mistake to have a focus and taking on donald trump. they really need to recognize what he's speaking to and find a way to tap into that feeling. >> as a donald trump supporter, do you worry that he could go too far saying, look, vladimir putin, i get along with the guy. i'm flattered by his
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compliments. i've never seen proof of him killing journalists. i mean, some of these things to experts in the are shocking. >> erin, i think what we just saw -- we have never seen from a modern day political candidate, ever. donald trump's communication is directly with the people where -- who he's talking with and it's very rare to see the ability for somebody like that, especially on the political stage, to come close. he's more of a rock star to that audience there, as you can see, than he is a candidate. so in order to make change as a president, you have to first get elected president and i don't know of anybody else that has ever approached it this way. trump has always been wonderfully known as his brand as a business person. now it's working and working tremendously well.
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>> well, thank you both very much. i appreciate your time. we'll continue to monitor this rally, which we'll bringing you live as appropriate? "outfront" next, a gigantic mistake at the "miss universe" pageant. donald trump capitalizing off of that today. what really happened here? and a woman barrelling her car down the las vegas strip killing one person and injuring 36 others. why did she do it? you know thet to a happy home in these modern times? it's a housewife who's in control of the finances. actually, any wife, husband, or human person can use progressive's name your price tool to take control of their budget. and while the men do the hard work of making money, she can get all the car insurance options her little heart desires. or the women might do the hard work of making money. [ chuckling ] women don't have jobs. is this guy for real? modernizing car insurance with -- that's enough out of you! the name your price tool, only from progressive. where is your husband? the name your price tool, only from progressive.
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a mistake that has folks across the globe talking. comedian steve harvey announcing the wrong winner. it's a title he had to take back on live television. so what happened and what is donald trump saying? brian stelter it "outfront." >> miss universe 2015 is colombia! >> reporter: put yourself in miss colombia's high-heeled shoes. she was wearing the crown thinking she was the new miss universe, smiling in front of a worldwide audience when less than two minutes after being declared the winner, host steve harvey walked back on stage and announced this -- >> i have to apologize. the first runner-up is colombia!
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miss universe 2015 is philippines! >> reporter: it's a moment that will live in tv infamy. the host of "family feud" correcting himself with the whole world watching. you could see his discomfort. >> this is exactly what's on the card. i will take responsibility for this. it was my mistake. it was on the card. >> reporter: the real winner, miss philippines, printed in small type on the card, showing the perils of live television. harvey tweeted an apology saying "i feel terrible" donald trump pounced on the opportunity claiming if he were in charge, this would have never happened, he tweeted. trump sold three months ago after nbc and univision wanted
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to get out of business with him. that was during the protests against trump's comments about mexican immigrants. the networks have refused to televise miss usa back in july. b >> i think i'd make them a co-winner. beautiful ceremony which is good for the brand and good for ms. universal and do a co-winner. >> and just like that, ms. universal became part of the presidential pageant. >> tonight, erin, lots of conspiracy theories and ideas out there. was this a stunt to get attention for miss universe? i say no for one simple reason. there is no amount of money to make that embarrassment worth it for steve harvey. >> i think you're right about that. "outfront" now, frasier, i like donald trump's idea, you have a mistake that horrific, you make them both a winner. >> terrible idea. if anybody donald trump should
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know there is only one winner. my goodness. does she want to share the title with hillary? no, terrible idea. >> some people said this is a publicity stunt to get attention for the pageant that lost a lot of carriage on networks when donald trump sold it. what do you say? >> i agree with brian. they would have to pay steve harvey and miss colombia a lot of money to stage this but this was the best thing ever to happen to the miss universe pageant. before this happened, people forgot it was on. the audience was down a million. now it's headline news all over the country. publicity bonanza. it's -- they couldn't have -- they asked for better publicity. >> video emerged this morning from behind the scenes that shows harvey blaming the tell prompter. here he is. >> so obviously there blaming the tell prompter but now saying
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he misread the card and taking full responsibility. what do you think happened. >> tell promeprompters are hard read. he handled it immediately in a proper manner. he came out and took responsibility. he should continue to take responsibility. this is going to boost the audience next year. i'm reminded of the golden globes. people loved it. they watched the golden globes have invited ricky back to host it again if i were miss universe, i would think seriously about inviting steve harvey back next year. i guarantee you, it will increase the audience. >> that's a pretty interesting idea and sounds probably right. thank you. "outfront" next, bloodshed, chaos, men, women, children mowed down by a car in las vegas. >> it was mayhem and very intentional.
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tonight investigators refusing to rule out terror after a woman drove straight into a crowd on the las vegas strip, killing one and injuring 36 others.
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a woman from oregon is charged with murder. police say she repeatedly jumped the curb hitting pedestrians. her 3-year-old daughter was in the car with her. >> reporter: it was 6:38 p.m., sunday night on the vegas strip when all hell broke loose. >> it looked like she wasn't even trying to stop the car. she had both hands on the wheel. >> reporter: a car speeding along the sidewalk outside the paris las vegas hotel. behind the wheel, a 24-year-old woman. >> the suspect holloway repeatedly drove over pedestrians. one was killed and over 30 people were taken to area hospitals. >> reporter: eyewitnesss describe a scene of utter chaos. >> people are bouncing off the front of the car and the windshield was smashed and she rode the sidewalk. >> then the car continued to accelerate on the curb, on the sidewalk and then hop back off again and when it hopped off that time, there was two guys on the windshield banging trying to
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get the car to stop. >> reporter: with men, women and children sprawled across the sidewalk, some with bloody clothes ripped apart, the driver still wasn't done. a truck pulling out of the hotel blocked her path. >> the car proceeded to slow down, veer around it and then accelerate into the people on the sidewalk. >> reporter: a witness describes seeing one victim dragged down the sidewalk, trapped under beneath the car. police say holloway's 3-year-old daughter was inside. >> she left the scene and drove a few blocks to the tuscany casino, exited her vehicle and left her toddler in the vehicle and contacted a valet parker and advised she ran over individuals on las vegas boulevard. >> reporter: she is charged with at least one count of murder with a deadly weapon and potentially faces multiple counts of attempted murder as well as child abuse. >> her being what we believe to be in las vegas approximately a week and homeless and residing
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within her vehicle. >> reporter: police report that holloway said she and her child had been trying to sleep in the car during the day but chased away by security guards. authorities don't believe it was an act of terrorism and have yet announced any motive at all but one man that saw it happen was sure of one thing. >> it was mayhem and it was looking very intentional. >> reporter: and at last check, there were three people still in critical condition with life-threatening head injuries. if any of those people were to die, then she could face even more charges, erin. >> stephanie, thank you very much and pretty shocking there is yet to be any announcement to motive at all. she will be appearing tomorrow morning at the courthouse. we will see her then and see if they have more information. thank you so much for joining us. be sure to set your dvr, record the program and watch us at any
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time. "ac 360" tonight with john berman in for anderson cooper starts right now. good evening. i'm john berman in for anderson and we begin with breaking news. the escalating war of words between the republican and democratic front runners thanks is donald trump speaking at an event in grand rapids, michigan. let's listen. >> think of this. the person that spent the least by far is donald trump and i'm in first place by a lot. isn't that great? the person that spent the least is trump. the person that spent the most is jeb bush. 55, $55 million and he's down in the bottom of the barrel practical

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