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texas grand jury decides not to return indictments in the sandra bland case, the death of sandra bland. she was found hanging in a county jail cell. bland was arrested after allegedly assaulting an officer during a traffic stop in july. police sea shi committed suicide. tomorrow night we'll speak with her sister and the family attorney. that's it for us tonight. see you back here tomorrow. ac 360 starts right now. good evening. i'm john berman in for anderson and we begin with breaking news. the escalating war of words between the republican and democratic front runners thanks is donald trump speaking at an event in grand rapids, michigan. let's listen. >> wouldn't it be nice if we could do that for our country? spending the least. i thought i'd be at about $35 million to this point. i'm prepared for it.
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i don't care. whatever it costs. if i see i'm doing poorly, i'm doing poorly. we all know that i'm doing well. but i expected by this time, by like january to be up to about $35 million in expenditures for air and advertising, right? and you say nothing. no. no. nothing. i've spent nothing. to be honest, i spent, i think, $212,000 and that was only because i like the people in eye with and the people in iowa are great. some of those radio stations, i put demands on the radio station necessary iowa, but i spent $200,000. they've spend 30, 40, 50, 25, 28 million. the money they've spent and they have no control over it. they're ten times worse than a
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real estate salesman or broker. so just think of it. so we have a case where i'm going to have $35 million spent. i'm $35 million under budget. isn't that good? >> you hear donald trump there talking about how much money he has spent or not spent in this campaign so far. you also heard him talking about jeb bush and how much money jeb bush has spent in this campaign so far to no avail and comes after he had critical words for lindsey graham who just dropped out of the race today but most of all tonight, donald trump has been talking about hillary clinton, the democratic front runner. donald trump says hillary clinton needs to apologize for comments she made in the democratic debate that was saturday night on abc where hillary clinton said that isis is showing videos of donald trump right now to recruit people to its ranks. let's listen what donald trump had to say about that tonight. >> she's terrible. donald trump is on video and isis is using him on the video to recruit.
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and it turned out to be a lie. she's a liar. no, it turned out to be a lie. turned out to be a lie. and the last person that she wants to run against is me, believe me. believe me. you know, i was just with somebody from abc. i won't mention and he said, oh, the hillary camp said they would love to run against trump. of course, that's what they want to say. i mean, it's going to be -- ask jeb bush if he enjoys running against trump. seriously, ask him. in all fairness, ask lindsey graham. did he enjoy running against trump? ask perry, governor perry. nice guys, all nice guys, ask bobby jindal, he's back in louisiana, which is a great state, by the way and they don't like him very much anymore over there. do they enjoy running against trump? they don'tenjoy it.
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they don't enjoy it. i enjoy it. they don't enjoy it. people said jeb bush, he's low energy. people said if i, if i didn't run, the thing would have been over already. he would have had it. why? for what reason? i don't know why. but they say he would have had it. he's gone down to 2% and you saw they gave him during the debate a couple sound bytes. he goes like this. you can see it right here. memorize. mr. trump, i mean, donald, ah, ah, and i said jeb, i've got 42, you've got two. we started off i was here and you were here, always in the center and now you're way down there and the next time you won't even be on the stage. look. i love running against hillary. i haven't started with hillary yet. what happened to her? i'm watching the debate and she disappeared. where did she go? where did she go?
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i thought she quit. i thought she gave up. where did she go? where did hillary go? they had to start the debate without her, phase two. i know where she went. it's disgusting. i don't want to talk about it. it's too disgusting. don't say it. it's disgusting. we want to be very, very straight up. okay? i thought -- wasn't that a weird deal. we're ready to start, looking. they gave her every benefit of the doubt because, you know, it's abc and she practically owns abc. she really does. george stephanopoulos interviewed me the other day. it was terrible. it was one of the greatest interviews. did anybody see that interview? but, you know, he's a big hillary fan. tonight i was interviewed by another hillary fan on abc.
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[ indiscernible conversation ]. he's all right. he's okay. relax. relax. relax. take it easy. >> all right. donald trump speaking in grand rapids, michigan right now. you heard him right there going after jeb bush but mostly tonight, hillary clinton for those comments she made at the debate saturday night saying that isis is showing videos of donald trump right now to use in recruitment, donald trump called her a liar, fact checks in fact found out that no such video exists as far as we know so donald trump on the facts tonight is right. joining me now, jeffrey lord a trump supporter and former director and david brock, founder of correct the record, super pact designed to counter attacks against hillary clinton. he's also the founder of media attacks against hillary clinton. donald trump made a few of them tonight but on at least one, isn't he right? there is no video that we know of of isis showing donald trump to recruit people right now, is there? >> i don't think donald trump is right. i think he's wrong been we know
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a few things we can agree on. one, national security counterterrorism experts across the spectrum right and left say that donald trump's words are being used as a recruitment tool for isis. i could give you a list longer than my arm of tweets, blog posts by isis fighters using trump's words to insight and so i think what he's done here is turn the story around but the real story here is what he's doing is really serious. it's really dangerous and it has the potential, god forbid we get hurt again he has the blood of fellow americans on hands. >> i heard many analysts say that donald trump's words could be used for isis to recruit. i've heard many analysts say that donald trump's words are inflammatory in the type of thing i sustained could use. i have not seen a single video isis used to recruit using donald trump. do you have such a video? can you produce such a video? >> not that i know of there is no video but there is a lot of video over cnn arabic that can be used to insight and that's really the story here.
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the story isn't what donald trump wants the story to be. >> jeffrey, are the satisfied with david's explanation here? >> oh, no, i think it's appalling. what david is uttering, first of all, hillary clinton has a long, long history of this, most recently we learned about benghazi and she's telling chelsea one story and telling the american people another. she just flatly told the american people an untruth and we get into the e-mail situation where she said there was no classified information and we find there was classified information involved. this is what she does. there is a reason for the poll from august where people free associated with a word of their own to describe her and the number one choice was liar. i mean, this is a serious problem with her. this has been a serious problem in the state department. she had a clean state in the state department and yet here we are again with all of these kind of problems that the truth
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telling. >> jeffrey? >> to imagine her in the white house, this is a big problem. >> jeffrey, i think political fact may have gave donald trump the lie of the year for the thing he said. two lies do not make a truth. i don't want to play the game of moral equivalent of lie, donald trump, did he not say people were dancing on rooftops in new jersey? doesn't exist there. >> well, you know, i just saw right before i came on i saw a story on new that said there were people doing this, dozens they said, not thousands, dozens. if he exaggerates that's one thing but he does not have a reputation as a serial liar. >> jeffrey, you've given a lot of political advice in your day. you know donald trump doesn't apologize for twisting the truth here. what would be your advice to hillary clinton? the trump way to handle this would not be to apologize, correct? >> she never apologizes, i so i don't think we have to worry. i don't shrink she's apologized to monica lewinsky or the blue dress. >> david?
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>> the american -- when you see a poll like that where the american people are volunteering the description, she has richard nixon beat hands down -- >> david, you want to get on here. >> first of all that poll is a bad poll weighted toward republicans. democrats trust hillary clinton and americans trust hillary clinton and we saw it in the debate saturday night to be the strong leader. she's the only one in the field that could be commander in clef and donald trump by what he's doing here with the hateful islamic rhetoric foaming disqualifies himself to be commander in chief. >> david, jeffrey, stand by. we're going to listen to a little more of donald trump, what he's saying, he's talking abut hillary clinton again right after the break. there is a lot more to discuss on this issue on donald trump on the stump and on trump versus clinton and also ahead, president obama against donald trump. what the president now says about the billionaire trying to exploit the fears of the working class and what the trump
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tonight's breaking news, republican front runner donald trump slamming hillary clinton at a rally in grand rapids, michigan pouring more fuel on an escalating fire, this war of words between the two. this is what he said a short time ago. >> everything evolved in hillary is losses. everyone a race to obama, she was going to beat obama. i don't know who would be worse. i don't know.
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how does it get worse? she was favored to win. she got schlonged. she lost. i watched her the other night. it was hard. there are a lot of things like reading books and financial papers but i watched her the other night and i said this is not a president. >> this war of words began saturday night hosted by abc news. watch what mrs. clinton said. >> we also need to make sure that the really discriminatory messages that trump is sending around the world don't fall on receptive ears. he is becoming isis' best recruiter. they are going to people showing videos of donald trump insulting islam and muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadist. >> in no uncertain terms she would not be issuing any apologies to donald trump.
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hell no is the exact quote. joining me again, jeffrey lord. and david brock. are you both willing to agree that donald trump and hillary clinton are each other's best friends on the campaign trail right now? hillary clinton props up donald trump by accusing him and donald trump props up hillary clinton by accusing her. >> good point, john. you know, ideally what you look for in a campaign are differences so that you got somebody on one side or somebody on the other and the differences are very clear. i think that's what is happening here and the process of happening and they would be a terrific match in the campaign. they are very distinctly different people. they have two opposed views of the world.
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there is a choice and that's what the american people like to have. >> there is this conspiracy theory out there, david, which is that hillary clinton wants to run against donald trump. if she had her choice, donald trump would be in the election. is that true? >> i think you can never pick your opponent and i think if you look at the entire republican field, it's not just donald trump on issue of issue from immigration to women's right to choose. hillary is going to beat the entire field. >> that was a much more -- the words you chose much more careful than i'm used to. it sounds like you're trying to be diplomatic. do you not agree by attacking donald trump, donald trump is helping donald trump. >> i don't agree. there is no helping donald trump. there's no giving donald trump more attention. there is no more elevating donald trump. he is what he is. the media pays attention to him. he has supporters, fine. no, i don't think she's playing
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that game. here is the republican front runner so it does put anytime a partisan context, however, this is an issue of national security where someone is out there in a potentially nominee of a party who is basically helping people who want to kill us. that's what hillary clinton's message was and i think it was about time that someone called him out effectively. go ahead, jeffrey. >> well, one thing, i mean, i think she is making -- the fec will come after her for making an unkind contribution. what david is describing is the short skirt theory of international politics. this disgusting business if a woman is raped and wearing a short skirt, somehow it was her fault. the idea that isis is the fault of donald trump or any american i might add is disgraceful. these are people who are going to do what they are going to do. they don't care -- >> hang on. >> finish your point, jeffrey, finish your point. >> these people do not care. this is evil and they are going to do what they are going to do. >> david?
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>> on national television, donald trump was asked yesterday let's suppose that this is going to happen. let's say maybe it's not happening now, if it could happen. he said he would do the same thing and say the same thing and act the same way. why take that risk with american security? >> jeffrey, it's not just by the way hillary clinton, if you watch the republican debate saturday night, this point was made by other candidates that donald trump is posing a risk to national security with these comments. >> right. well, you know, i mean, i think they were wrong. i listened to these people, i listened to president obama say that he had to close gitmo because this was an insightment. well, guantanamo bay, other than being an american military base had no muslims, nothing to do with it on 9/11 and yet, we were attacked anyway. these things are going to happen anyway. they don't need to be inside it. >> i want to ask the question because the facts are an issue. david, you are both political strategists and it's about winning the race more
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importantly. are facts as important as winning? >> sure, they are. in the culture where it does seem facts are not as important as they maybe once were. >> it seems as if candidates are saying -- >> fact checking on all sides now, that's very healthy and at the end of the day, what this little incident showed is donald trump can create a story about a video. i don't care if it's a video or tweet. they are using his words to recruit. that's the fact. that's the fact that hillary clinton said and -- >> that's bizarre. >> jeffrey, on your side, too, your side, too, is winning, beginning, donald trump brags about starting this discussion about the thousands of people dancing on the street, is winning more important than the facts? >> no, the facts are important as i guess was senator said you can have your own opinion but you have to go for the same set
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of facts. that is important. there is no question about it. i agree. i mean, sometimes candidates of all stripes massage a little bit here and there but, you know, i mean, they are all human beings and out there to do this however, facts are important, yes, indeed. >> jeffrey lord, david brock, gentlemen, thank you for being with us tonight. appreciate it. coming up, president obama blasting donald trump. what he had to say about the republican front runner that wants his job and what the trump campaign has to say about this criticism. innovative sonicare technology with up to 27% more brush movements versus oral b. get healthier gums in 2 weeks guaranteed. innovation and you. philips sonicare save when you buy the most loved rechargeable toothbrush brand in america. no matter what nasty cold symptoms you get, alka seltzer plus liquid gels rush liquid fast relief to your tough cold symptoms. and they outsell mucinex liquid gels 2 to 1. alka seltzer plus liquid gels.
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in his last interview before taking his holiday break,
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president obama called out donald trump by name. the president accused the billionaire of exploiting the fears of working class men. the president's criticism came in an interview with npr. >> blue collar men have had a lot of trouble in this new economy where they are no longer getting the same bargain they got when they were going to factory and able to support their families on a single paycheck. you combine those things and it means that there is going to be potential anger, frustration, fear. some of it justified but just misdirected and, you know, i think somebody like mr. trump is taking advantage of that. i mean, that's what he's exploiting during the course of his campaign. >> joining me now is sam clovis, the co-chairman to the trump national campaign and van jones, former senior official in the obama white house.
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so sam, what do you make of those comments there from president obama that donald trump is exploiting the fears of working class men who have been suffering? >> well, i think it's a strong word, exploiting is a strong word. i think that one of the things that we're really focused on is that we're really -- we just had a technical glitch. i'm right back with you. i think to answer the question here, i think i'm more concerned about the characterization of the voter attracted to this cycle. i think if you go to our rallies, you see an incredible amount of people turn out and what this is really about is not about the president. certainly we can argue that policies and the anger there but i think it's the lack of leadership that we've had in washington for quite sometime and it's not just the president. i think it's the president's administration but it's also the republican party.
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we've had alack of leadership in the republican party in the last budget deal goes right to the heart of the issues we've been talking about.last budget deal goes right to the heart of the issues we've been talking abou budget deal goes right to the heart of the issues we've been talking aboubudget deal goes ri the heart of the issues we've been talking abou budget deal goes r the heart of the issues we've been talking abouheart of the issues been talking abou talking aboutalking about. many of the candidates have been talking about on the campaign trail and highlights exactly the reason that so many people are angry and disgusted and so disenfranchised with washington. >> van, the word exploit may be inflammatory but what is wrong with addressing the concerns of working class men? this is a group that has had problems over the last several decades in this country. >> well, absolutely but i think that he's on to something. the president is trying to explain something for instance, if you look at 2012, mitt romney ran for office saying listen, obama is terrible. let me be president. i'll get unemployment below 6%. it's 5%. newt gingrich said obama is terrible, if you let me be president i'll get gas below $3. it's $2. what they said they were upset about, obama did better than they promised in 2012 and yet they are angry and upset and
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frustrated because there is this underlying economic insecurity hitting all working people very hard and these demographic shifts that make people uncomfortable. when donald trump comes on the scene and says hey, obama is terrible, i'm going to make america great and not be politically correct and turns and attacks mexicans and turns and attacks muslims. whenever he says i'm not going to be politically correct, he attacks demographic racial minority group and that's disturbing the president is trying to figure out why does this work all the time with this particular group of people. >> donald trump is speaking right now in grand rapids, michigan and been going on for about 30, 40 minutes at this point and been talking about republican candidates he's running against and talking about hillary clinton and sam, i want to play you a moment when he was describing the democratic debate saturday night and if you watch it, you know there was a moment they came back from
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commercial and hillary clinton was not there because she was in the bathroom and it took her a long time to get back from the bathroom. listen to how donald trump described it. >> i'm watching the debate and she disappeared. where did she go? where did she go? i thought she quit. i thought she gave up. where did she go? where did hillary go? they had to start the debate without her, phase two. i know where she went. it's disgusting. i don't want to talk about it. no, it's too disgusting. don't say it. it's disgusting. let's not talk -- we want to be very, very straight up, okay? >> sam, you know, we know where she was. she was in the bathroom and we know donald trump has problems in some places with women voters and doesn't do as well. what's going on here? why is he saying it's disgusting? >> i'm really interested, john, and i was struck by the preinterview, something the president said and he said, she
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said, we're not talking about policy, we're not talking about, you know, the failed policy over the last seven years with this, the fact that the debts increased dramatically and that we're over 100% -- >> no, no -- >> john, i'm just asking you, i mean -- >> we just asked for two things, first of all, we asked about the president's comments and what he said about working class voters -- >> we are not here to discuss policy, i am struck by that and i think our time is more valuable than that and if this is what you want to discuss, you need to go on tmz, not on ""ac 360"" i'm sorry. i don't think this is an appropriate discussion. if you want to talk about policies and we want and mr. jones is blessed in this area. he is extremely competent and
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well versed in these issues. why are we not talking about that rather than talking about a stump speech where somebody is out there doing something and this has been going -- we have made these -- he's made these speeches for months and now we're going to bring it up here just a couple days before christmas. i'm really disappointed. >> we talked about the president's comments. we can go talk about them again. i was playing you a sound byte of the candidate you work for tonight and you brought up the word appropriate, sam, which is an interesting choice of words because i was asking about the appropriateness of calling a bathroom break disgusting. that's all. we can go back to talking about the president in a moment but i want you to address that, if you will. >> well, the fact of the matter is i don't want to know. i didn't even know it was a bathroom break until i was reading today on the news wires that it was a bathroom break. i had no idea where she was and didn't care. that's the thing. i didn't care where she was. she just wasn't back out on the
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stage. i don't think it was handled very well and the fact of the matter is it raised an issue that didn't have to be -- didn't have to occur. the moderator to that debate could have been there and covered for her and whether she had to wait or go farther and in fact, i saw an excellent explanation, she had to go twice as far as the men did to find a restroom and get that. why are we even talking about that? >> i was asking what your candidate was staying on the stump tonight when he called that disgusting. van, do you choose to weigh in before we move on? >> no, sir, i don't have anything to say about the restroom break. >> okay. >> yeah, me, either. >> thank you very much. all right, sam. let's play a moment of the president where the president talked a little bit more about what donald trump is appealing to right now, the fears that exist, let's listen to the president. >> sure. >> if you're referring to specific strains in the republican party that of suggests that somehow i'm different, i'm muslim, i'm
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disloyal to the country et cetera, you know, which unfortunately, is pretty far out there and gets some traction in certain pockets of the republican party and that have been articulated by some of their elected officials, what i'd say there is that that's probably pretty specific to me and my background and in someways i may represent change that worries them. >> so, van, you heard the president there. those criticisms very specific to him, to the president and change that he represents. >> yeah, i think he's increasingly as he gets near the end still trying to wrestle with this question of race and how he may or may not be received by some parts of the american public and i think he was trying to talk about that then.
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i also think it's important to note in the same interview, he says kids who shut down opponents of affirmative action on campuses are wrong. he's trying to as he has his whole career, trying to find a pathway through this difficult discussion of race and talked about it there. i don't think you can divorce his race from donald trump because donald trump did come out as a big birther and said all those things he was and i don't think you would do that against a president who was a white president but i think this was a very, very tough interview for the president. he is still trying to come to terms with how he may be perceived or received because of race. >> sam, your thoughts? >> i agree with van. i think he's absolutely spot on and i didn't have any problem with what he had to say. i think he's identified certainly things that are out there, all you have to do is look at social media, there are some people that in this country are very disgusting and hateful and a lot of the things that
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they talk about, i mean, it's not the way i was raised. it's not the way we're out here to do this and i don't have anything to say. i thought the president was showing incredible candor in that particular part of the interview. i don't have any issue with what he had to say at all. >> sam, van, thank you very much for being with us. a spirited discussion this evening. up next, a murder charge for the young woman who police say intentionally aimed her car at pedestrians on the las vegas strip. was this terrorism? authorities in las vegas say
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authorities in las vegas say it was an intentional act. they say a 24-year-old woman using her car as a deadly weapon repeatedly slammed into people on the sidewalk last night. one was killed and more than three dozen injured and the driver not alone in the car. her 3-year-old daughter was with her. for now authorities have ruled out terrorism but still investigating. ryan young is in las vegas with the latest. >> reporter: just after 6:30 p.m., the first 911 calls came in reports of a vehicle on the las vegas strip that drove on to a sidewalk hitting several pedestrians, a scene that first was an accident but soon it would become clear this was much worse. >> it was busting through people. it was just thudding and the sound was, i'd say 30, maybe and
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might have been faster but seemed like it was going pretty fast. people were flying like this child i saw literally hit, the sound i'll never forget is horrible and never stopped. it was people, wasn't hitting cars, it was hitting people. >> reporter: according to police, this was an intentional act the driver ramming her car into the crowds in at least three or four different spots along the sidewalk between planet hollywood and the paris resort and casino repeatedly driving over pedestrians. >> it looked like he wasn't trying to stop the car. she had both hands on the wheel and looking straightforward and there were men running after her trying to stop the vehicle and they couldn't get to her. they were yelling stop, stop, and she just wasn't trying. >> reporter: police say 24-year-old lakeisha holloway was behind the wheel during the attack. she was driving a 1996 olds mobile sedan with oregon plates. her 3 year old daughter was in the backseat the entire time. >> she rode the sidewalk.
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she came to a stop at the paris intersection and then she like -- people were punching the window tries to get the child out of the backseat and she accelerated again and kept mowing everyone down. >> reporter: after the attack, holloway fled the scene driving to another casino before abandoning her car with her daughter inside. she asked a security guard to call police because she hit several people. she is in custody and her daughter unharmed. they were quick to rule out terrorism but now say they need to complete the investigation before making a conclusion. >> she is believed to be from the oregon area and we'll do our best to determine her background. in light of that and not having those unknowns, we're not 100% ruling out the possibility of terrorism. >> reporter: so if not an act of terror, what could be the motivation behind this attack? police say she made a statement when they took her into custody
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but wouldn't disclose the details. >> we believe that she had some disassociation with the father of her child and then events prior to the event, her being what we believe to be in las vegas approximately a week and homeless and residing within her vehicle we don't know the exact recipient event that caused her to snap and/or whether it was planned previously. >> reporter: so far holloway is charged with a single count of murder with a deadly weapon, the first of what authorities say are many charges to come. >> ryan young is with us now. ryan, any update on the victims? >> reporter: john, from what we're told, three people are still in critical condition, one person lost their life but so many people have questions about the child in the car. we're told the young child is still in protective custody at this point. john? >> ryan young in las vegas with us. thanks so much. the issue presidential candidates in new hampshire can't afford to ignore.
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in new hampshire, huge traffic. just two months away the primary. a presidential race that's defied expectation, here is another surprise. according to a poll, the top voter concern in new hampshire isn't isis or the economy, it's drug abuse, namely heroin. simply put, heroin abuse and addiction are at epidemic issues. dr. sanjay gupta will take a close look at the crisis. here is part one of "primary concern: heroin". >> i'm a volunteer and person in recovery now. >> you met with jeb bush, how was that? >> they are looking at me and jeb bush sitting in the middle. it was -- thoughts that went through my head is i'm not
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worthy of this and i thought of holly saying why not you? i thought why not me? don't i have to offer? >> reporter: what casey is offering is a desperate story, tough to hear. about an epidemic of drug abuse that is claiming too many lives in new england. >> it's the number one thing somebody under the age of 35 is going to die from in my state. beats out car accidents. if you're not paying attention to that, you have no right to represent anybody. it's ignore rant to ignore it. >> reporter: 14 months ago, drug abuse barely registered here. now it's at the top. more important to voters than jobs, the economy, taxes, you name it. >> oxy cotton went off like a bomb. >> reporter: it started with
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oxy, oxy cotton. pills like these have something in common. so similar for an addict or abuser, they are essentially interchangeable. no surprise then 80% of heroin addicts started off using pills. how did that happen to you? >> somebody in the hotel had offered us heroin. i almost looked at it like a science experiment. that was how my brain justified going through the whole process of using heroin. i sniffed it and it had an effect but it wasn't the effect i was looking for. an hour later, i shot heroin. >> what were you trying to discover here? >> i was wanted relief. >> relief from? >> relief from my thoughts, my feelings, my emotions. if i had the power to choose, i wouldn't choose to use every
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day. >> he's describing a substance use disorder. that's a new name for an age-old disorder, addiction. it's a brain disease and causes you to seek out drugs no matter how horrible the consequences. in fact, casey almost died of a heroin overdose. he wants an an dote because it saved him like it did for this woman. she's overdosed and is no longer breathing. >> we've given you some. >> watch what happens when she gets narcan. >> can you sit up? >> yeah. >> come on. >> do you want a glass of water? >> casey's message with others is starting to be heard. >> addiction is not new.
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>> in october, president obama announced efforts to double the number of producers that can describe narcan. it was welcome news here in new hampshire where the cries for help, any sort of help are the loudest and we kept asking ourselves, why here in new england? the answer in part is because heroin is particularly easy to get and very cheap. how easy is it to find if you want to find it? >> that's a good question. i guarantee you there's nobody in new england with money in their pocket that is saying god i wish i could find heroin if they really needed it. >> you got money, you can find it? >> yeah. >> casey hopes the days when he was out buying heroin stay behind him. he spends free time now with his 3-year-old son and staying true to his recovery. still, this wasn't the life he ever imagined. slowly becoming the new face of a former heroin addict. >> people think that in a person suffering from alcoholism or addiction, they have this image that comes up in their mind and
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i like to break that image because if i met you on the street, you wouldn't think that two years ago, i was an i.v. heroin user. >> yes, casey is a new face now tasked with taking the message of 23 million americans currently in recovery straight to the candidates. jeb bush, bernie sanders, chris christie. >> good to see you again. >> anyone who could possibly stop this epidemic. >> i would appreciate if they use the same language, not those addicts, those people because those people are your moms, dads, sons, daughters, your neighbor, the chief of your police. they are everybody. they are your doctor, your nurse. we're not unique people, just we have a chronic neurological condition that treatment is available and recovery is 100%
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possible. >> sanjay, this is powerful, powerful stuff. how is it the guide book for psychiatric dig notice, it characterizes addiction as a brain disorder. >> it won't change the resources and amount of money needed to provide the resources. i think it's a stigma issue. i think if you say this is a brain disease, then could you treat it like you treat diabetes or cancer or something else that's a physical disease of the body? possibly. it's not going to happen overnight by any means but i think that's an important first step when doctors including this bible of psychiatric diagnosis says this is a brain disease. >> one of the most stunning parts of the piece there is we saw narcan being used to revive that woman. how widely available is that and how does that differ from what
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law enforcement and first responders have available? >> it's becoming more widely available. i have something. it's an -- binds to receipt tors so nothing else can cause breathing problems or anything else for a period of time. it works really well. >> and fast. >> and fast. the issue is some people will say hey, that's just empowering and enabling addicts. i have safety valve. i don't have to worry about an overdose because i have narcotic can. it comes in a vile like this if one is in the middle of an overdose, call 911 first and make sure to give them breaths yourself but then administer this by injection or enter nasally. it can save someone's life. you saw it there. it happens around the country and hospitals and they want to make this more widely available to address that part of the heroin epidemic.
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>> remarkable. so casey's story is compelling and you find yourself pulling for him and see how hard he has to work to stay clean. what is he doing now? >> he's working in this recovery center. he's paid to do that now. that's part of his new life. this is a dangerously addictive substance to the point you're making. the relapse is always there waiting potentially in the wings. he's got to be very careful. it's -- you think how hard can it be to avoid opiates when you go to the dentist officer for a procedure or morphine if you've had a minor procedure done. it's around you. for a procedure or morphine if you've had a minor procedure done. it's around you. if you're an addict, those are potential significant pitfalls that can put you on the pathway to addiction. he's helping people who are addicts like him and changing the demographic face of heroin addiction. moms, dads, professional people, people like casey who are that new face of heroin addiction.
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>> important story and message. sanjay, thanks so much. >> you got it, john, thank you. >> part two of primary concern heroin area tomorrow. an unconventional answer that seems to be working. we'll be right back. [ coughing ] [ sneezing ] a cold can make you miserable. irea tomorrow. an unconventional answer that seems to be working. we'll be right back. ea tomorrow. an unconventional answer that seems to be working. we'll be right back. rea tomorro. an unconventional answer that seems to be working. we'll be right back. sea tomorro. an unconventional answer that seems to be working. we'll be right back. a tomorrow. an unconventional answer that seems to be working. we'll be right back. tomorrow. an unconventional answer that seems to be working. we'll be right back. laura baker is about to refinance her home. her daughter lilly is about to spell the word "scary" for the first time. neither is afraid. buy in. quickenloans/home buy. refi. power.
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