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>> michael had many options. he destroyed his family. and everything he touched. >> in a way it's fair. >> it's fair? >> indeed, a good movie, sure. >> coppola, he didn't [ muted ] it up? >> no. >> no. >> no. >> no. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com can you believe it's less than six weeks until the votes are cast. did the republican ways get tighter? one new national poll has ted cruz four points behind trump and making a confident prediction. >> it could be a two-man race between donald trump and me. and i think that presents a good choice to the american people. >> and hillary clinton campaigning in iowa says america should stand up to bullies wherever they are. i wonder who she could be talking about. maybe donald trump? a lot to get to this hour, it's
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going to be good. i'm joined by the chairman for senator ted cruz. democratic strategist maria cardona and ron hill. you should be happy, ted cruz 4.2 points behind donald trump in a new poll out today and at 8 point jump since november 2nd. you're a cruz guy. tell me how happy you are about this. >> it shows that senator cruz has momentum going into the final weeks before iowans head to the polls on february 1st. but we're not take it for granted. senator cruz is flying around the various states that will vote on march 1st. this is a long ball game, this is -- the election outcome will not be determined by who is ahead in a national poll but this is a state by state process voting over a 19-week period.
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and that is the type of campaign that cruz has constructed. >> it is early on. but, bob, the same poll found that 58% of republicans said they still might change their minds. do you think that gives hope to the other candidates who are not doing well in the polls to stick it out a little bit longer? >> i do. i thunk that the candidates who are in the single digits and that is also jeb bush and john kasich, chris christie, it gives them hope becaus this -- the stats show that whether in iowa or new hampshire, a lot of those voters make up their mind at the last second. but however you do have to look at the polls and certainly cruz is surging. but donald trump has been winning for four months. so he has to be feeling pretty good where he is too. >> maria, donald trump said things that raised eyebrows last night. >> no way. >> but to be fair, the crowd
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cheered. here's what he tweets. once again, #msm is dishonest. schlonged is not vulger. >> when he tries to excuse one of his atrocities with blaming it on the media and telling you guys are reporting it wrong, i remember one of my icons, judge judy always used to say don't pea on my leg and tell me it's raining. every woman who heard that knows what that meant and that is where i think that donald trump, whether he's the republican nominee or not and u think he has a very, very good possibility he will be that nominee or whoever it is in the republican party is going to find out that you can't insult
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the majority of voters in this country, which are represented by women and get away with it. >> let me just say this. and i'm playing devil's advocate. what if he just meant she lacked or something like that but schlonged came out. >> he should say that if that's the case. but that's not what he said. >> the two guys next to you are shaking their heads. so ron, do you think he meant that? do you think that every woman in the country was offended by that? >> what i know is that you're not going the hear language like that come from senator cruz. i think the republicans are looking for who not only will be the leader of the party but of the united states of america and the free world. i think that's part of the reason why as voters think who
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do i want to be in the white house during a crisis and negotiating on foreign policy and military matters around the world, every day, senator cruz proves he is that person and others prove they are not. >> i'm going to talk more about cruz. we will talk more about cruz and not commenting and whether that is his strategy. bob, do you want to comment on this? >> i'll take a pass. i'm good. >> we talked about the gop 2012, the autopsy report to be more inclusive to minorities and women, how is that work out? >> when you look at the 2012 report just looking at it tonight you forget that report called for comprehensive immigration reform and it hit mitt romney because he went too far right and did not appeal to women -- enough women and to hispanics. when you look at where the party is now and we are in the primary.
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you are appealing to the base i think it's a big problem for the republican party. if you look at the democrats, they are confident they are going to win the general election they are starting at -- unless something bizarre happens 242 votes because they have dominated and attracted so many hispanic voters over the last couple elections. so i think that's one of the things that republicans have to worry about. mitt romney went far right on immigration reform and did not move back to the middle. i think it's going to be a challenge for the gop to attract hispanic voters. >> could you say that ted cruz is far right when it comes to immigration? he's not in the middle. he says he does not believe in a legal pass. >> yes, he is far right. he is far right. >> look, there are so many points -- let me just respond to one thing. >> go ahead.
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>> the conventional wisdom has been proven wrong, the poly-sci 101. -- >> the governor of new jersey, how kevin faulkner becomes the mayor of this city in san diego. the democrats outnumbered the republicans but the republican candidates won and the conventional wisdom could not explain it. but what we see is what makes a candidate strong is not only their philosophy but their narrative, story and record and also their skill both on the stump as a candidate and constructing an effective campaign. in all three of these areas we see senator cruz excelling. that's why he has the momentum he has now. >> conventional wisdom has been wrong about the front runner time and time again. some of you didn't think he would be here, i say don't underestimate him. let's continue talking about
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hillary clinton and your candidate's strategy. hillary clinton was asked about what she would do about bullying. here is part of her answer. listen. >> we need more love and kindness in our country. i think we are not treating each other with the respect and the -- [ applause ] and the care we should show toward each other. and that's why it's important to stand up to bullies wherever they are and why we shouldn't let anybody bully his way into the presidency. because that is not who we are as american americans. >> hillary is calling trump a bully, jeb bush has called trump a bully. what do you think? >> it's a sloppy example of pivoting by hillary clinton.
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if the question is bullying in schools, the parents should have the right to send their kids to a different school. let's do something about it and give parents a choice to send their kids to a different school. instead, hillary clinton wants to take this young child's question about bullying and make it into a political issue which is just bizarre and weird on her part. hillary clinton comes from the party and will likely be the nominee -- >> what about the treating others with respect part? what about the treating people with respect part? >> can i jump in here? >> let him finish and you can, maria. >> i can't wait to see what she says so to all the union officials who will support her candidacy. and these are not people who have been quite skilled in the
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art of etiquette. >> i think it was a deft answer. what our leaders talk about and the way that they handle the national discourse in this country is very important. our young people are listening to our leaders. and that's why i think the gop is really in big trouble by having the front runner be so indecent in the way he is carrying on his political discourse. we need leaders who value our principles not those who devalue our -- what we stand for. that's what is happening. >> i want to get to chris christie. he refused to comment on trump's language toward hillary clinton. watch this. >> last night donald trump did something like that. he said what clinton did during a bathroom break was too disguing to talk about and said
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she got "schlonged" by barack obama in 2008. any comments? >> no. none. >> is it inappropriate to use the word schlonged? that way? >> i have no comment. i'm running for president of the united states, jake. >> christie has taken this i'm above the fray approach. ron you said you won't see ted cruz use that kind of language. is it a campaign strategy to let donald trump hang himself with his own words which doesn't seem to be happening? what is your strategy when it comes to that? >> we're working hard to change. that first, senator cruz was the first candidate to get into this race.
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as every other candidate got in, he has kept positive all throughout this process toward all of the candidates and he's worked very hard to limit those disagreements to areas of policy rather than allowing it to be personal. it's working for senator cruz and the right one. and let's remember the higher the office the more likely the voters will see the candidates for who they true are. a couple months ago when people didn't know who the candidates were, it was a name i.d. race. but, that's changed. it's not a name i.d. race any more in iowa or new hampshire or south carolina or iowa or in the supertuesday states. as they get to know the candidates, senator cruz has gone up. and those who attack him like marco rubio have gone down. >> is that a working strategy for the candidates?
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>> it's an interesting one. senator cruz has not adopted that strategy when he is talking about congressional leaders. he called mitch mcconnell a liar. he has adopted a different type of strategy on the campaign trail. but he has gone after members of his party pretty hard on capitol hill. >> thanks everyone for coming on. merry christmas. up next, ted cruz talks about a two-man republican race for president but not everyone is happy with the gop front runner. music: "another sunny day" by belle and sebastian ♪ ♪
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the latest national poll shows the gap is narrowing at the top of the republican field. that's good news for ted cruz.
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not so much for donald trump or p.j. o'rourke. no, you said -- why is it not good news for you? >> because cruz could actually get elected and -- no, i mean, he could get nominated. i'm assuming that trump will be exposed as a double agent and will have to be stuck in a cappaqua safe house. but cruz could get the nomination and that would be a disaster for the republican party. he is dragging in all these tired, sick old social issues, get out of here. stop it with the stuff about gay marriage and stop it with the -- i'm a 68-year-old guy with three kids i'm supposed to raise my own children. i need immigration. >> so you're not a fan. you're not a fan of the front
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runners because you think the issues are tired because the front runners are donald trump and ted cruz at this point. >> i personally am horrified. bring in a boring guy. republican candidates are supposed to be boring. we have several that will do fine, there's jeb and kasich is a boring governor of a purple state. a lot of experience in the house of representative. >> you are a fan of the low energy candidates? >> i am. yeah, i mean, that's what being a republican is all about is low energy. we want a smaller government, a more efficient government, a government that doesn't poke its nose into everybody's business. we would like the government not to go away but to the other end of the room and sit down. >> in your column you call what's going on in the 2016 race a case of, quote, mass
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psychosis. is it more a case of mutiny? >> well, i don't know about -- i just think all the people my age have gone crazy. you know, and it's like -- it's worse than the salem witch trials. what kind of witch trial leaves hillary not with her ankles in the stocks. i don't get it. they have gone crazy for trump who is just a bad man. i mean, that kind of language, i mean, honestly, you know, it's like talking to some drunk guy in a bar at midnight. you know, and people are going for it. i just don't understand. >> well, it seems to be working. >> i'll tell you my example. >> go ahead. >> i guess so. but i was born and bred a republican. my grand mother was born near
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springfield, illinois. the only democrat any one had heard of is john wilkes booth. and looking at donald trump is like looking at an ethnic scot like watching mike myers playing fat bastard in the austin powers movies. >> what am i supposed to say to that? >> why didn't chris christie come out and say it. you are a prosecutor. >> since you are born and bred a republican are you on the wrong side of this republican civil war, so to speak. the establishment is saying tax cuts, balance the budget and the rank and file are saying i'm getting hosed, build a wall and stop being politically correct all the time? >> i am on the wrong side of
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this. i realized the other day, i thought there was a republican establishment that were supposed to keep trump or cruz from happening and i realized they're all dead. i'm the republican establishment. and it was a sad and burdensome thing to find out. i wish i knew what to do. >> so if it is -- >> i hate it with -- >> what were you going to say n in. >> i was just going to say -- i really do hate it with this immigration stuff. i mean, o'rourke, was that a tribe in the dakotas somewhere? i don't think so. what keeps us ahead of the europeans and other economies is our welcoming of immigrants. that's what keeps our age down, you know, i mean, everybody's got to support me, soon. for with social security. we need some young folks. >> in your column, i want to get to that, you call on young
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people. you believe that young people can make the difference in this election and eyou call, pick an dufus republican, their most likely harmless. but isn't that what the primary voters are rejecting, this run of the mill republicans backed by big money donors? >> yes, they seem to want to go into that primary booth and do actual harm. and this race started off scary enough. i thought like most people did it would be bush and clinton and voters will go bush, clinton, i did this already. and leave the ballot unmarked and voter turnout would be 6%. but now the situation -- and i tell you, if donald trump gets the nomination, if donald trump makes me vote for hillary clinton i'm coming after him with the two weapons he is most
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frightened of, a building inspector and kobe bryant's barber. >> you should hear the people laughing in the studio. what do you say expect thank you p.j. o'rourke. happy holidays to you. >> you're welcome. >> come back. >> happy holidays to you, too. >> up next, donald trump, it's a hot issue in this primary. my next guest is one of the first people to voice concerns. he is one of the original "apprentice" contestants. how does he feel right now? (vo) some call it giving back. we call it share the love. during our share the love event, get a new subaru, and we'll donate $250 to those in need. bringing our total donations to over sixty-five million dollars. and bringing love where it's needed most.
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since donald trump first entered the republican race critics have accused of being divisive and using harsh language. but he says we should stop being so politically correct and he is drawing large crowds to am cane rallies with a lot of people who agree to him. i want to talk to kwame jackson, hello. and there is a certain thing that i don't know if we call it videotape or digital. we have it saved. last time you were here you had harsh things to say about donald trump and heavy accusations. >> yes. >> take a look at this. >> what i say is look, everyone is entitled to their opinion and that's what we celebrate and continue to promote. but what you are not entitled to do is create a toxic environment
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that creates a -- ecosystem. whatever it may be, gay people are ruining traditional marriage, all of thosing are dog whistles that create this toxic ecosystem that weak-minded people act on. >> that was a month after he entered the race. jeb bush has said that. so now how do you feel? >> when i said them, they were ahead of the curve and they proved to be true. many people have said donald trump has now jumped the shark and crossed the rubicon and gone to the dark side of the force on race. he has started what i call a make america hate again campaign. and that is about appealing to two things that america loves, one is celebrity and one is fear. when you put them in the same drink people will drink and drink over and over again. and using those to bait on
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people's racial issues and fear of immigration that has been a course in american history over and over again, whether it was the japanese concentration camps or mccarthyism and donald trump is continuing to play in that chorus. >> is kwame wrong? >> i think so. the american people have this fear when it comes to the syrian refugees, they have a fear in their gut. i don't think they are -- >> he is playing to fear. but you said there is a fear in the gut. >> there is a fear in the gut. he is not making a divisive claim here, he is just saying these are real issues that real americans care about regardless of race. this is what we care about as a nation. he just wants to make america great again. if he has to say offensive things that some people don't like, that a loud minority doesn't like he's going the say them. >> i give you point, you got the campaign slogan in there, make
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america great again. >> we have discussed this and i asked him twice flat out in he was racist. he denounced it in the strongest terms. >> are you racist? >> i am the least racist person that you ever met. i am the least racist person. >> are you bigoted in any way. >> i don't think so. >> islam phobic? >> not at all? >> i'm a person that happens to be smart and has a certain street sense and know where things are going. >> your fellow contestant, am rosa is a trump supporter. they have interviewed black pastors who say that african-americans love him. >> i think that's unrealistic. let's talk about the litmus test for racism in america. it's no longer do i use the "n"
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word? it's no longer i have to lynch someone to be a racist in america. it's not binary. there are micro aggressions along the way. and there is an ability for people to do things that are perceived as racist that we have to understand based on our history where we are trying to go as a nation. what i am saying is that you don't have to go to the extreme to be someone who is fomenting racism in america. >> you can't say anything in america any more. >> i'm the only white guy. >> so, listen, this is from the "washington post" about how the white supremacist movement is seizing on donald trump's appeal. a conservative paper. here's what they say.
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they said the national organizer if the knight's party told the washington post that the kkk has a new conversation starter that involves say walking into a coffee shop or sitting on a train while carrying a newspaper with a donald trump headline providing separatists with an easy way to start a conversation about issues that are important to the dying white supremacist movement. they like an overall momentum of his rallies and his campaign, and this is rachel pendergraft. he is not willing to back down, says what he believes and they stand on. that the same piece, the neonazi storm front website calls donald trump the great white hope. does it disturb you you have a supporter who is an ally?
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>> there are nut jobs on both sides. you have louis farakhan. >> i think he -- >> reverend. >> my mistake. >> there are people who say he is a muslim. >> but president obama has associated with all these people through his history and nobody called too much to that. it's like you have some nut jobs that like donald trump. donald trump is not meeting with this guy or inviting him to his tower. >> do you think it's fair to blame donald trump for someone like storm front or kkk liking him? >> i think the pool of hate works like this, it's a swamp. you are draining the swamp or adding to the swamp. i think his language is adding to the swamp and adding to that fever that comes on in america that crates a hatred of immigrants and plays off people's fears.
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that's a dangerous place. and if if donald trump says it, it makes it okay to bomb a federal building because he read mein kampf. that happens and so i'm not directly linking those, but you're creating that chorus that creates dangerous actions. >> i don't have to go on social media i know what's going to be said. you have people just discussing this, oh, my gosh, don lemon i can't believe you are having that conversation about donald trump, you racist. i'm racist to have the discussion because it's already in the "washington post" and it's out there in the atmosphere. it's part of the conversation. >> bring it on. >> what's going on here? it's going to be from trump supporters, by the way. >> this is an overly sensitive topic. race is always sensitive.
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you look at dave chappelle. he was one of my favorite comedians, he made fun of anyone. >> but he left because he felt like people were laughing at him and not with him. so once again it crossed the spectrum. this is not a racial we are all in this together. >> he was just breaking down the walls. that's what donald trump is doing here, he's breaking down the traditional walls of understanding the race topics. he is saying what people are thinking. >> i thought he was building a wall. >> yeah, mexico's going to pay for it. >> channelling the old-school archie bunker, that type of discontentness in america. a lot of people see america changing as sand beneetds their feet. the african-american president, you have people who feel left behind who are working-class whites who are the majority of his supporters and they feel
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like the world is changing too fast. and donald trump represents happy days and a time when america was more home genius. >> and we did not talk about class as well. even though donald trump is a billionaire. >> you have working-class people without college diplomas celebrating a billionaire who celebrates the fact he is more educated than other people. >> that's the first time that i have ever heard someone compare donald trump to dave chappelle. she was arrested in a traffic stop and found dead in her jail cell. now a grand juror says no indictment in her death. her sister is here to react to that and tell us what is next. . aw. aw. ♪ thirsty? they said it would make me cool.
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tonight sandra bland's family says it has no faith in the justice system after a grand juror decided not to indict anyone in her death. officials say she hanged herself but her family disputes that. i'm joined by sandra bland's sister, sharon cooper and attorney for the bland family. good evening. >> good evening. how are you?
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>> doing better than you, i'm sure. how is the family? how are you guys doing? >> quite frankly, it's been a challenging year for us overall and the holiday season brings more of a challenge than we imagined in light of the grand juror's decision not to bring an indictment. >> what was your reaction when you heard the decision not to indict anyone? >> i think what is most imperative to the note on the family's behalf is there is a little bit of disheartening and disappointment but not surprise based off of the fact that we don't have much faith in the grand jury process due to the secretive nature of the process and the fact that it is a prosecutorial tool which is in favor of the prosecutor and if a prosecutor wants an indictment
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they know what evidence they need to prevent and if they don't they know what evidence to withhold. that's how we are feeling at this time. >> you called it a sham of a proceeding. is that why, for what sharon just voiced there? >> here's the reality of it. what we understand is that the five special prosecutors, one of them, paul looney, was actually quoted as saying two months before they came back with the result they weren't investigating whether the jailers did anything wrong or instead committed criminal acts. instead they were looking forward to see if there were suggestions they could make in the future as to how they might conduct themselves. when you have a situation like that it begs the question why and what were they doing in the first place? as you know, these proceedings are secretive. we are not able to be present.
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we are not able to know what evidence was presented or what witnesses were called. the prosecutor can submit whatever evidence they want or withhold whatever evidence they want. there is not a judge that is oversees the proceeding. >> for you it's about transparency and you think there should be more transparency. since you are talking about the prosecutor, darrell jordin whon is the special prosecutor, i want you to listen and respond to it. >> we would love to speak with the family. i've never heard of any situation in all my years of a prosecutor not speaking to the victim's family. we reached out to the family. i offered to fly to chicago on my own dime to go meet with the family. >> why haven't you and the prosecution spoken? >> because of him. the reality of it is that when he was initially appointed as a special prosecutor he called
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melletting me know he would be coming to indianapolis and going to some wedding or a family function. at the time he called he asked whether he could meet with us the next day. i said we would be happy to meet with him but we wouldn't be back in chicago until several days later. he never contacted us again. i was not there just talking to him, so, too was the family, they are fully aware of the fact. he is the investigator, isn't it his responsibility? yet he never contacted us ever again. thest if time we hear from him is after they come up with the result? that's strange, isn't that putting -- isn't that booty backwards. >> you can say that word because it is after 10:00 p.m. eastern. >> but the bottom line is you have to be honest with people. >> this is an important question before we run out of time, lawyers representing the county say if the family had paid
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sandra bland's bail she would be alive today. what do you say to that? >> it is ridiculous and preposterous. and they say if mr. mosley answered the phone she would be alive today. really, if they had done what they were supposed to do she would be alive today. they had two booking documents that were opposed. they put things in her cell that shouldn't have been there. they didn't attend to her and check in with her the way they were supposed to. they knew she wasn't eating. when people are responsible they look to shirk the spent. >> the prosecutor's case says this is still open and they plan to investigate the arrest. your mom says you have to be patient in this process. is that hopeful news to you that there will be a more satisfying outcome? >> the hope is dimming with regard to the aspect of any
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charges being brought against the officer. the reason i say that is it's been five months since this senseless incident occurred and what is crystal clear and the easiest thing in this case is that sandra should never have been arrested in the first place. the same dash cam video you have access to and the world has access to is what the opposing side is what the opposing side has had access to. so the notion there is more time prolonging the grieving process and dragging it out through the holidays to say they need more time to bring charges on the officer. it is clear her civil rights were violated and the officer acted in gross professional misconduct. >> i thank you for coming on, it is tough when you lose anyone. and i know it's going to be a tough holiday season for you and your family and our thoughts and
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prayers are with you. thank you, sharon and cannon. >> thank you very much. coming up, can it really be that nobody is legally responsible for sandra bland's death? we'll talk about that. that's next. when i booked your, place, my friends thought i was crazy. but this morning, a city i'd never been to felt like home. thank you for sharing the world with me. airbnb. belong anywhere.
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sandra bland would never have been in that texas jail cell if it weren't nor this traffic stop when she was pulled over by a texas state trooper, brian encena. >> get out or i will remove you. >> i'm getting removed for a -- >> tell out or i'll remove you. i'm giving you a lawful order. get out of the car now. or i'm going to remove you. i'm going to yank you out of here. >> you going to yank me out of my car? okay. let's do this. >> yeah, we're going to. i said get out of the car. >> why am i being apprehended? >> i'm going to drag you out of here. >> you threatening to drag me out of -- >> i will light you up. >> wow. >> get out, now! >> her family is calling for charges against her arresting officer.
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good evening, everyone. you can understand the family's grieving right now. but, mark, how can this be no one's fault? >> it really isn't. it is a gross insensitivity and i know harry's not going to like this. i think it was an abuse of his authority and power. we have to realize that if cops are going to maintain their respect they have to maintain and do their job simply cannot act like this. what really happened in this case, first of all she was pulled over because she got out of the way of the officer but didn't put her blinker on, that absurd in and of itself. but he didn't like the fact that she said i'm not going to put out my cigarette and that is not a lawful command of a police officer. and that was the moment this thing changed. it became his testosterone and his ego against her. >> did anyone break the law
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here, mark? >> well, when he took her out of the car without probably cause for arrest i think he violated his conditions of being a police officer because he doesn't have the independent right to arrest anyone he wants. he has to arrest only based opinion probable cause. he made up the crime because she didn't comply with his request to put out a cigarette. that is not a lawful demand. >> go ahead. >> you know he did have probable cause to make an arrest because -- >> summons for what? >> it's an officer's choice with he wants to make an arrest. >> for what event? for the blinker? >> yeah. >> he cannot arrest for a blimpger. >> that's not what he arrested for. he asked her set to get out of the vehicle. >> he arrested her for contempt of cop. and that is not a crime in any state because she would not put
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out a cigarette. >> you said it became criminal when she disobeyed a lawful order. >> the lawful order was get out of the car because you didn't comply with my order to put out the cigarette. you can't boot strap. i can't say to you as a cop, do something that i have no legal authority to do and when i tell you to do it and i arrest you for not doing something i didn't have the lawful authority to ask you. >> when he asked her -- one second i'll let you speak. when he asked her to get out of the vehicle and she does not and he tries to pull it that's when she allegedly assaulted him. you can see it through the window there. and when she finally got out, it just kept on escalating and escalating. and he told her inside the vehicle she was under arrest. >> none of this explains how she ended up dead.
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>> i agree. >> and listening to this -- the piece before with her family and the attorney and hearing that the prosecutor's, the five that were appointed never spoke to this family, that is so troubling to me, don. the prosecutors told us this woman committed suicide. wouldn't they want to learn what her mental condition was like before she took this lonely road trip by herself? wouldn't they want to know what her condition was like leading up to these incidents. not having a conversation with her family begs to me whether there has been a thorough investigation and what that grand juror presentation looks like. we are learning they have to go into january even though this videotape with all this of these evidence has been available for five months doesn't make a lot of sense. >> i have 20 seconds left. so my question is, is the officer off the hook?
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>> well, they're telling us he is not off the hook and they are still investigating and there is a possibility that charges are going to be brought against the officer. they pulled her out of the car without any justification. >> it was the cop's fault, not ms. bland's fault. >> there is no criminality in the police officer's actions. >> yet, she's dead. >> thank you, guys. >> we'll be right back. when your cold makes you wish... ...you could stay... ...in bed all day... ...you need the power of... new theraflu expressmax. new theraflu expressmax. the power to feel better.
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