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morning with us. we'll see you in the new year. "state of the union" with jake tapper starts right now. the final push. just days before the start of 2016 the candidates are pressing the flesh and making their case in the early states. >> we're the only campaign who has a county chairman in all 171 counties. 160,000 volunteers. we're working to do everything humanly possible to energize and mobilize the grassroots. >> can cruz stop trump in iowa? our reporters give the view from the ground. plus preparing for november. >> what will happen if trump runs against hillary? it will be the largest turn out in the history of elections and a lot of those people coming out will vote for trump. >> who has the numbers to make
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it to 1600 penn. we'll break down the states in play. and the "veep" states race. the competition is on to be number two. >> i'll look hard at him for anything. that's how good he is. >> will early endorsements thread a vice presidential pick. the top political minds will be here with insights from the campaign trail. >> the candidates are fighting through the cold or maybe moderate chilly months in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, looking for support. voters are paying attention getting ready to make their final choices before heading to the polls. so far donald trump still on top, his lead across the country is strong. but in the early states we're beginning to see a little change, a little sign of
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vulnerability. in iowa cruz is trading lead with iowa. first in nation primary state new hampshire chris christie slowly making gains in a state known for picking moderates and more independent candidates as their nominee. trump still on top in the granite state. what does this all mean? do the old rules still apply to the trump campaign? let's take a look. >> i'm at 42 and you're at 3. >> so far the republican race has been contentious. >> donald trump is a jerk. >> it's been adventurous. but above all it's been unpredictable. >> first thing i'll do as president we'll drink more. >> now that the first votes are about to cast the roller coaster ride could get going. >> if we win iowa i think we'll win everything after that. >> that, of course saks big if. some polls show trump leading in iowa while others give it to texas senator ted cruz.
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a tea party favorite whose message resonates with iowa's religious conservatives. >> god bless the great state of iowa. >> trump's challenge is to mobilize his supporters. some of whom have never participated in iowa's complicated caucus process. leading the charge on the ground in the hawkeye state is iowa co-chair once a contestant on "the apprentice". >> you're fired! >> whoever wins iowa will head into new hampshire with momentum but what real question there is who may emerge as the alternative to trump? he leads by a wide margin there too but clustered behind him are four establishment candidates. marco rubio. >> we should be very realistic about the problems america faces. >> chris christie. >> as governor of new jersey. >> john kasich. >> what we do in ohio can be applied nationally. >> and jeb bush. >> i honestly believe i'll win new hampshire. >> kasich acknowledged the granite state must-win state for
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him. saying quote if i get destroyed in new hampshire then that's the end of the game. chris christie snagged the endorsement of the new hampshire union leader and he or marco rubio seem most likely to benefit in the field of establishment candidates. from there the battle heads to south carolina which has picked the winner almost every time since the 1980s. >> great to be back in south carolina. a place that believed in me. >> rubio has deep ties here. his super p.a.c. is headquartered in the capital. his staff stock with natives. >> the first three states, iowa, new hampshire, south carolina are critical but the rnc has sped up this process. immediately thereafter you're going to have nevada and pop into super tuesday. in a couple of weeks. >> that's when ted cruz plans to go full throttle for a series of contests dubbed the sec primary. named after the college football
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conference. cruz has been campaigning in places such as alabama since the summer where he laid out his southern strategy. >> states like georgia, mississippi, alabama, arkansas, oklahoma, texas, those are conservative states. they are evangelical states. they are states where our grassroots team is incredibly strong and i view the sec primary as a fire wall. >> maybe, just maybe by then we'll be a little closer to knowing where this crazy ride will end up. so who will take the top spots in the early states? joining me are some of cnn's finest. dana, you have been out there on the ground. let's talk about iowa. i think one of the big questions is, can all these trump supporters who show up in the polls, will they actually go to
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caucus, which is, you know, it's not -- it's not as simple as just voting. >> not at all. it takes a lot of effort to go and caucus. 130,000, maybe just little bit more. that's the universe of people we're talking about who generally go. you just asked the $64,000 question because a lot of people who are telling pollsters like our polls and others that they like donald trump, that they are going to caucus for donald trump haven't gone to the caucuses before and it's a cultural situation where you have to know what it's about and be willing to spend an entire evening there and raise your hand publicly and say you're for donald trump. that's a whole lot of ifs. is the passion there and is the organization there? >> it's about organization because it's also about the campaigns. now trump has been getting more organized in iowa. ted cruz, i would argue is somebody who has been organized in iowa. and he's got a lot of
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evangelical support. evangelical voters are a large part of the turnout in the iowa caucuses so that works well for cruz. the question for trump is if he's bringing these new caucus goers into the process will they actually turn out and be able to get them. this is literally about getting people into buses and putting them in those buses and getting the home their caucuses. >> the thing that trump has is he knows the name, address, e-mail number, phone number of everyone who has been at his rallies. it's not an organic thing. they know who they are. they sign these cards and sign up in advance. you can be sure in the month ahead five weeks to the iowa caucus you can be sure there's going to be emails and texts, where their caucus location is. they are more organized than you think. it seems like a chaotic campaign on the surface. infectious need it's pretty organized. >> former detroit register
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reporter. i want to play some sound from the 2012 republican caucuses and the winner that time. >> you by standing up and not compromising, by standing up and being bold and leading, leading with that burden and responsibility you have to be first, you have taken the first step of taking back this country. [ applause ] >> as president santorum and president huckabee before him have illustrated winning in iowa does not necessarily mean getting the nomination. >> no it doesn't although it certainly could give some momentum. i think if donald trump is doing pretty well in the polls and then pulls it out in iowa, then that has people questioning from the get go is this someone who could actually clinch the nomination and actually if you go back to 2008 on the democratic side this wild card really is what is the turn out when it comes to the iowa
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caucuses. hillary clinton based her numbers on what she thought certain turn out would be. barack obama then senator obama turned it on its head by getting more people to come to the caucuses completely changed the map and the question is will donald trump do perhaps something similar? >> one thing i will add to your question is about, yes, there's no president huckabee, no president santorum, but they were also two candidates who had no nothing basically in states after that. they didn't have any mechanism to build on that momentum at all. >> it's a place you can go with very little backing financially and win. >> exactly. the other thing i want does is weed out a lot of candidates. this is a very big field. it will be hard to see all of them continuing after iowa. >> that's the key. it's all three tickets out of iowa. that's the old adage for a long time. this year five tickets because it's such a big republican field. that's the importance of iowa. it's going to chop the field in
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half. some will go on, most will not. >> you have to be ready to continue post-iowa and i keep talking about cruz. one of the things about cruz is that he spent a lot of i had summer on a southern state bus tour because he knows that there's a big super tuesday in which he might do very well. >> the fire wall. >> that's right. these candidates have to be looking ahead as they are looking towards iowa and new hampshire but they know they have to play in the south. >> you just raised our recollection of hillary clinton coming in third in iowa caucus behind john edwards. she managed to turn that loss into something that appealed to democratic voters in new hampshire. take a look. >> this is very personal for me. it's not just political, it's not just public. i see what's happening. we have to reverse it. and some people think elections are a game, they think like
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who's up, who's down. it's about our kids future. it's really about all of us together. >> i haven't seen that hillary clinton in a long time. that was a moment where people really gave her credit for being human. >> it was a fascinating moment because leading into the new hampshire primary she was behind in the polls. in between last polls being done and voters going to the polls that moment happened and it really just flipped everything. she came out the winner. it was an interesting moment. right now she certainly is having a little deja vu in being a really tough race in new hampshire. bernie sanders has been leading at certain points from neighboring vermont. this has been pretty consistent that they have been pretty close. hillary clinton's strategy here is to really position herself as the person who can take on a republican. she hardly talks about bernie sanders, so she's trying to say look i'm more electable, i have more experience. >> i want to get to new
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hampshire in the next block but gloria let me ask you a question. if donald trump does not win iowa, what's his reaction going to be? >> that he's a loser. yeah. >> part of his whole appeal to his supporters is he's a winner. what if he done win? >> i think you're going to have to look at the margins, and if he loses by a smidge that's different than losing by a lot. i think donald trump has been saying i will never give up. and so i would think that if he comes in second and it's by a hair, that you'll see donald trump move on to new hampshire and on to the south, by the way, where he has a lot of blue collar support. and, i think they are better organized than a lot of people give them credit for as jeff was saying so i don't think that would end his campaign by any stretch. >> stay right there. when we come back donald trump may take the headlines but is
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if i become president your life will be much better than it would have been if i didn't become president. it's as simple as that. >> it's as simple as that. your life will be better than it would have been. a little twist on the are you better off than you were four years ago. let's turn to new hampshire now. you're a former newspaper man having worked for "the des moines register". chris christie got the coveted endorsement of the new hampshire union leader. not the biggest circulation in new hampshire because "boston globe" has the biggest circulation. how big is a newspaper
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endorsements. >> it gives chris christie validation, second life a sense that he's still alive especially in a very big field like this. but at the end of the day people do not hold newspapers in all that high of esteem. i worked for "the des moines register," "new york times," "chicago tribune," they don't have a good track record in terms of who they endorse. but it's important who cube credible candidate. up raised a good point about new hampshire. new hampshire loves to contradict what happens in iowa. we've seen it again and again over the years. >> contrasting obama and hillary. >> it will be fascinating to see if trump wins in iowa will new hampshire say not so fast. new hampshire loves to put the brakes on front-runners. it's happened over time so much. that's what i'm watching for. >> if you're an independent voter you can vote in the republican new hampshire primaries. so you can cause all amounts of chaos if you want. >> many voters are independent.
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>> if you are -- if donald trump were to win in iowa and you were inclined to try to stop donald trump there might be a little movement going supported by other campaigns. it's a puzzle and people in new hampshire love to kind of mix it up. >> i want does give him a moment to sort of, i think, show that he's been putting in a lot of work. >> chris christie? >> yes. it wasn't necessarily out there. this gives him a moment to capitalize on that. the bigger deal for him in new hampshire is that he's turned his favorability around. it was under water but he's righted that ship and that's something that's a bigger deal for him than this. >> i was watching some of the debates from 2012 and there was a florida debate and it was interesting the dynamic because santorum won iowa, romney won new hampshire, gingrich won south carolina, here they were in florida and basically this narrative emerged whoever wins florida since it was a three way
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tie would win and romney did win. tell me where you see other candidates potentially winning when it comes to post-new hampshire, nevada or south carolina? >> south carolina is i think what we should be talking about because let's just say we were talking about the scenarios, trump or cruz win iowa, somebody else wins new hampshire. look at marco rubio. he's unlikely probably to win one of the first two and everybody is talking about him as the alternative to cruz, to trump. his campaign manager is from south carolina. they think they know that state very well. he's been there in 2015 more than any other republican presidential candidate. watch for him to try to play more than people realize. >> super tuesday, states are proportional. somebody could win a little bit of this, a little bit of that and you'll have a delegate at that point if you have no clear front-runner, so we're going to be back to counting who has got what. >> one of the things i never
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heard republican officials talk about until this election season is the idea of this going all the way to the convention. i never -- rnc officials have never talked about oh, that's never going to happen. now they are talking about it. >> they are talking about it. but i also feel sometimes that when this is discussed that sometimes that ultimately isn't what happens. right? >> i think the irony is that the republican national committee changed the calendar like we were talking about to try to make the nominee process or the nominee would happen earlier. and the irony is because of the trump factor and everything else, it might do the opposite. >> broker conventions have happened at the democratic convention in 1980, republican convention in '76. even if trump is winning and win the states with 40% of the vote, the republican party does not want, the official republican party does not want him to be the nominee. somebody will be fighting all the way to the convention. >> no doubt. the person that's fighting if
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it's marco rubio or ted cruz they have a big super p.a.c.. up until now super p.a.c.s have not played a big role on keeping you on the road. they will play a huge role in this going s leading the republican establishment will one candidate to fight him to the right. >> the romney dream. when you look at all of this money that's out there and a lot of it hasn't been spent on the republican super p.a.c. side to perhaps clobber someone, i sort of expected or seemed possible at a point when marco rubio schooled jeb bush in that debate company have had a wall of money coming at him but it seems like and actually this is true, republican donors supporting jeb bush said don't take my money and slam marco rubio with it. they are sort of looking and waypointing to see what they need to do to try to avoid
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donald trump having that momentum. >> as we end 2015 the most striking thing to me is the conversations i had not only just about money sitting on the sidelines but the paralysis inside the republican party on what to do about donald trump. >> they don't know how to deal with it. do you throw money apartment it. you attack him? that's only made him stronger. >> i have to leave it there. thanks so much. coming up trump's language endears him to his base. will it bring in those independent voters so coveted. we're at the magic wall breaking down the race to 270 electoral votes. that's next.
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welcome back to "state of the union" i'm jake tapper. hillary clinton even donald trump are spending a lot of time talking about each other on the campaign trail each sayinger to cannot win a general election in november. so who is right? john king is at our magic wall to try to break down their general election prospects. john? >> jake, we'll start the next election by trying learn the lessons of the last election. if you look at the map this is obama versus romney, the map not good nor republicans. that's what hillary clinton w t wants to match it. she wants to keep the obama coalition together. it looks bleak but the republicans can win the white house by not changing all that much. watch this. republicans will focus a lot of time on florida. if they can change that the numbers look better.
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republicans will spend a ton of time in ohio. no republicans won without ohio. if they win florida and ohio suddenly they are in play. the question is if you can do that and that's a big if, how you go from there? republican play list says virginia should be next. they think even though it's trending pull they can pull it back to the republican side. if do you that then you're definitely in play. republicans need one more state. if you can win florida, virginia and ohio they just need one more state. that could be colorado. that could put the republican over the top. let's assume they can't get colorado. where else could they go? iowa is a swing state. if they can move iowa that puts republicans over the top. with four states republicans can do it. i can give you several combinations. if not iowa maybe the state of new hampshire. so it can to be done with changing just for you states. so that sounds not so hard. at the same time it's not so easy. let's switch maps and get into
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that because one of the reasons the democrats have been successful is success with nonwhite voters. maybe it won't be him but imagine donald trump is the nominee. can he win florida, virginia, colorado? perhaps that's where the problem lies. let's go back in time. president obama in 2012 won re-election by getting more than nine in ten african-american votes and more than seven in ten latino votes. look at donald trump numbers in a match-up against hillary clinton. donald trump is only getting 7% last in theo vote. 13% of latin no and 7% of african-american vote. there's no way any republican can win the white house with those numbers. latino front most think republicans need to be up close to 40%, at 40 or above. double digits among african-americans. this is hypothetical poll match-up. serious problem for trump.
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his favorability among latinos and african-americans is in the tank. if trump is in the nominee he has a lot of work to do to make the presidential election competitive. even if he's not republicans think all this talk could hurt their party. what happens? that's why you hear establishment concerns as trump as a nominee or trump effect on the nominee. a key senate race here, a key senate race here. a key senate race here. and maybe more could get lost if you have a republican party that cannot win nonwhite voters. it's early. just looking at the hypotheticals. the map is doable for the republicans but will take a lot of work. >> when we come back the balloons, the speeches and the chaos why the convention don't always go exactly as planned and what's in store in the new year for the presidential candidates.
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welcome back. the republican party is known for its predictability when picking their presidential candidates but has donald trump ended all of that? cnn chief political analyst looks at the pomp and unusual circumstances around this year's political conventions. >> i'm not dropping out of anything. i never dropout. ♪ we're not is going take it >> reporter: that's not exactly music to the ears of the republican establishment whose dreams of a smooth election cycle and a predictable convention have been trumped. making some republicans nervous. >> i've been hearing about it. i've been hearing about these closed door meetings and i don't
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like that. that wasn't the deal i made. >> reporter: the fear? a protracted fight for delegates leading to a messy battle on the convention floor. crazy? maybe. but it's happened before. way back in 1924 when democrats took 103 ballots own 16 days to nominate a loser. party leaders always prefer the more packaged route with uniffid delegates. somehow conventions manage to deliver the moments that reflect the political mood of the nation, even when the speeches are planned. >> the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream is that never die. >> read my lips, no more taxes. >> poor george, he was born with
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a silver foot in his mouth. >> some of which -- >> i'm honored to be here tonight to nominate my friend michael did you da okukakis for. >> reporter: some launched national careers. >> there's not a liberal america, and a conservative america, there's the united states of america. >> you know they say the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? lipstick. >> reporter: others we're still trying to figure out. >> i got mr. obama sitting here and he's -- i just was going to ask him a couple of questions but -- >> reporter: now that's a hard act to follow. but someone surely will. >> so who will be talking to an empty chair in 2016? here with me is cnn's top political commentators.
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let me start with you, gloria made the point about conventions reflecting the mood of our times. if the republican front-runner is donald trump what does that say about the mood of the republican party? >> i don't know. there's going lot of us in a really funky mood if that's in fact the nominee. i want will be strange. you'll have a bunch of unusual suspects at the convention if it ends up being donald trump. i sense that a donald trump nomination would be very bad for some of the senators, folks running state wide in some of the purple and blue states. so i'm not sure how much of the, you know, traditional republican mainstream usual suspects who go to a convention you would see. of course no drinking at the -- >> that little newsy item you think if donald trump is the nominee you think some
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republican senators incumbents won't go to the convention. >> rob portman has to go it's in ohio. you'll see some folks running in blue and purple states running away from our nominee if it ends up being donald trump. maybe even a ted cruz. look first of all i think it would be a mistake for these senators to miss out on this convention. after all donald trump might pick somebody exciting to be his running mate. >> how much more excitement do you think my heart can take, donna >> we'll talk about beef stake in a second. >> you're coming up on a birthday tomorrow so i under. the fact is donald trump has had an outsize role in this campaign. he's been the party that energized the base of the republican party. they are with him. they believe that he's the guy or the candidate who can take on the establishment. so i don't know if this convention will produce the kind of malaise that my good friend here is thinking but i guarantee you it will be one for the history books.
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>> just to be clear i'm firmly in my denial stage of grief. >> you might be too young who remember when pat buchanan gave a major culture war speech in 1992 and molly ivans the famous liberal columnist quiped that she preferred it in the original german. >> i was 8. >> hit an impact. >> yeah. >> what if it was an entire convention of that tone? >> i really, like anna, i refuse to believe -- i think the more likely scenario is how does jeb bush or marco rubio or ted cruz convince donald trump to show up at their convention when they are the nominee and bring his supporters to the table when he's not the nominee. i think that's the more likely problem that republicans are going to be facing come convention time. >> so that's a good challenge.
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assuming that this dream of yours comes true how do you bring in trump and his supporters to a process that they will at that point maybe be really angry with. >> they will be angry, angrier than they already are. look it's tricky. you don't want to mimic trump's rhetoric. it's damaging to the party. >> he'll be given a primetime speaking slot. >> right. that's also the trick. like the last convention republicans were very excited i don't know why to bring clint eastwood. they had no idea what he was about to say. if you invite donald trump because you want his votes and you want his presence you got to make sure that it's carefully managed otherwise of course he goes off script. >> speaking of book signing. he wrote a book. "the art of the deal." >> nothing about donald trump has been carefully managed throughout this race so how do you assume you get the convention and carefully manage him.
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donald trump will get on stage and be the complete antithesis to what barack obama did. regardless of what you think about the president and i had presidency that was a really, really good speech. >> going to be a democratic challenge as well because presumably hick will be the nominee based on today's analysis and today's poll numbers. bernie sanders and his supporters i suspect sanders will be easier to get on that stage and give a nice speech than set up to get his supporters on board the hillary train. >> imagine it's in philadelphia. the birth place of democracy. with the backdrop of we people and revolutionary candidate, the candidate that has really rallied the democratic base will be there along with others to give an uplifting speech. there will be a huge contrast between chaos that might occur at the republican convention, i don't want to spook them, being from new orleans call that voodoo but at the same time you'll see a very manageable convention that will say
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good-bye to president obama. >> what if you don't? what if the sander supporters are more like occupy movement. >> they are not. >> there's a lot of overlap, i think. >> this is not hillary clinton versus barack obama. that was a real deep hatred. it was visceral between the two camps. when hillary clinton walked out on the floor and said i support barack obama, it took the convention to another place. so we're not even at that place. >> bernie sanders is so unwilling to take on hillary clinton. he sound like a hillary support most of the time when he debates her. i don't think you'll have any problems with getting bernie on board. >> there's a lot of -- they are wary of bill clinton, wary of the fact that he was a centrist. democrats -- you know what? i go to these meetings. i see democrats from all stripes. i'll tell you one thing.
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they want to win. they want to continue what i believe the advance forward policies of barack obama into the next, into this century. they don't want to go back to the bush years or go back -- they don't want to embrace donald trump. democrats will come together. >> a couple of weeks ago at the last democratic debate in new hampshire. one thing bernie sanders supporters are committed. they are fired up. and they are not ready to play ball. >> we got a big contest coming up. >> you raised the prospect of the "veep" stakes vice presidential pick. we'll talk about that in a second the campaign for vice president already under way. who is ahead might surprise you. >> i am going to really look hard at him for anything because that's how good he is.
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. now more than ever we need someone tough as president. someone who has the experience and the courage and the good judgment and the truthfulness in order to lead on day one. we need a leader with a bold and free and fair plan. we need a new plan to take this country in a new direction and that's got to be john mccain. >> sarah palin in 2008 doing what presidential nominees do best making the guy on top look good and the one on the other side look bad. some vice presidential nominees are picked to rally the base such as sarah palin, create some
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excitement. some are picked to fill a policy gap. joe biden, dick cheney both of whom had more foreign policy experience than the presidents whom they served. what will the cal can you laws be this year? with me now are cnn's top political commentators. play now with me donald trump gets the nomination. okay. donald trump gets the nomination. who would you tell him to pick as his veep. >> who would do it? other than jeffrey lord i'm not sure who he could get to fill this slot. i mean maybe -- >> ivanka which would make me feel good. >> maybe a ted cruz. i don't know of the current candidates running who would jump on to a donald trump ticket. i think it would mean certain professional death if they did. but maybe a ted cruz. clearly ben carson i think would take the job. >> ben carson.
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there's a strong bench on the republican side. if they don't win the nomination rubio could do it. kasich could do it. christie. a lot of talk of nicky haley out of south carolina. >> there's a very deep bench. brian sandoval. tim scott would be an interesting pick out of south carolina also tea party. so i think it all depends on who the nominee is and what gap they need to fill. the one piece of advice i would give the nominee on either side is do not pick a token because you think you need check off that box. don't possum kingdom lake woman because there's a woman running on the other side and don't pick a hispanic. big somebody you get along with, that you trust and that the american people have confidence in, can take over on day one if need be. >> that's right. that's the most important. >> somebody who can be president. >> that's right. i had that experience with al
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gore back in 2000 in selecting joe lieberman who i thought filled many gaps that vice president gore had at the time. look, i do believe that the republicans have a wealth of politicians that might be available to be on the short list. may not wish to be on the short list. >> right. >> if it's donald trump i don't think donald trump is going to look at the so-called republican establishment. >> so who, mark cuban? >> carl icahn. >> he's already flipped the switch. if it's donald trump he's going youpd of the political box and find swoeb business experience or somebody -- >> somebody who will do it. >> even if it's not donald trump, if it is an establishment candidate, make some sense to go to the outside because this is proving to be on both side the year of the outsider. >> let me ask you because when nicky haley the governor of south carolina had her moment taking down the confederate flag after the horrific shootings in charleston a lot of people
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myself included said she just shot to the top of the list for a possible presidential nominee for many reasons including the fact she shoefd some real leadership in that moment. you're from south carolina. what do you think? >> nicky haley, she did very well. we're talking about either the confederate flag coming down, we just had the first catastrophic flood. she's an indian-american governor. >> one of the mos i. as was sarah palin and that is a very good comparison, and in south carolina, we were talking about it off set, and we played rough and rugged politics and the question about nikki haley is whether or not she can yvette, and that is an interesting question to answer, however, however, if she does check more than one box for the republican party, and she and
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tim scott both, and both of them have amazing futures in the country, and neither one of them want to serve with donald trump. >> and nikki haley has that check box, because she is solid. >> and now, whether or not her politics will govern it in the right direction, that is what would be debated. >> and with the exception of s.e. and i. >> and we should not do this. >> and the states have never delivered and paul ryan did not deliver wisconsin. >> no. >> and you may be too young to the remember, but in 1980, michael dukakis chose lloyd benson to run with him solely to get texas, and of course, he was running with and did not deliver
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and lost that election. >> and maybe you want to pick a member of the fastest growing member of the minority in america, and that is the castro brothers. >> and that is interesting the k castro brothers from texas and not cuba. >> and you know with that. >> and it does more than check a box, because secretary castro is amazing. >> incredible. >> they brought him up here to d.c. to kind of shove him away are from the local politics, but also secretary perez. >> yes. >> and we are not just checking the boxes. >> and s.e. is shirting. >> well, it is lunacy, because older white men, and that is - where she is losing, and that is going to be her main problem area, and she needs a tim kaine on the ticket, and not some unknown maybe latino super unknown secretary that nobody
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has heard of. >> and the one good thing about the castro brothers is that you get two for the price of one. >> the twins. >> very good for that reason. >> and i worked closely with tim kaine, and i worked with him closely. >> and minority. >> and he speaks spanish unlike me. but i do think that the j generational box of the democratic box has to be checked for the democratic party as w well. >> and bernie sanders is 70, and martin omally, and do not do that. >> and yes, should not talk about the ages. >> but it is important, because hillary clinton if she is running against -- >> and if she is running against a 44-year-old senator like ted cruise or rubio. >> or even if it is jeb. >> and you are saying that even your yesterday were tomorrow. and elections are run tomorrow.
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and the secret for the republican party is something that they won't do. the ticket that can win and the be the 45th president is rubio as the presidential nominee, and k kasich as the vice president nominee, and as democratics have to figure out something, but fortunately, the gop won't do that >> and when democratic party is giving advice, don't listen to it. >> happy new year to all of of you. >> happy new year. >> and is santa leaving the nominations presents or coal? it is the state of the cartoonion. isn't it beautiful when things just come together? build a beautiful website
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welcome back. santa has gone back to the north pole, but there is one present that candidates can't open until january 1st, and it is the gift marked iowa caucus results. is it a ticket to new hampshire or a lump of coal? it is it is the state of the cartoonuon. all through the house the primaries were in the house, and this is no time to er, and cozymen had ads of scandals and e-mails an benghazi, but the noise from the trail was unseeming and members dropping
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out way be before the caucus. the rnc rushed and saw on the st stump a gold-plated sleigh and carrying trump. scram, lindsey, you loser, and the same with you loser. and john kasich, said, trump, sounded like a nazi. and to be true trump ignored the post romney autopsy. and he did state in 2008, hillary got schlonded. and they built tabernacles haunt ing with dreams while hillary cackles. some thought of reince priebus who was having a bad night. thank you for spending your
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