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truly know. thanks for watching. i'm fareed zakaria. hello, everyone, and thanks for joining me this sunday. i'm deborah feyerick in for fredricka whitfield. a tornado watch remains in place for parts of texas, louisiana, and arkansas, areas devastated by tornados that ripped through the dallas, texas, area, on saturday killing 11 people. >> it's very big. oh, it's massive. oh my gosh. it's big! >> and we now know that one of those tornadoes was an ef-4 with winds up to 200 miles per hour. the suburbs of garland and arlington, texas, taking the brunt of the damage.
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the storm ripping up houses and tossing cars around like toys as it cut a path through neighborhoods. cnn's nick valencia is in texas as residents begin to assess the damage. >> wow. oh my gosh. it's big! it's -- oh, it's a big tornado. big, big strong tornado. >> reporter: residents in texas are picking up the pieces today after a terrifying night of deadly storms. >> i actually looked at the twister. i was looking at it. >> describe it for me. >> it was just a dark -- a dark funnel and it was just a big roar. it was really scary. it scared me. i don't scare that easy, but i was scared. >> we have our looiives and i tk god for that. >> reporter: sirens warned residents to take cover as an estimated half a dozen twisters ravaged the dallas area, killing at least 11 and leaving dozens homeless. >> my daughter's car is in the kitchen. >> in the kitchen in the back of your house. >> yes.
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>> and her husband's car was with-in the driveway. it's back in the alley. >> reporter: gar land took the brunt of the storms. >> i can see it. >> reporter: lafayette griffin huddles with his family under a mattress and prayed as the tornado hit. >> it was terrifying. terrifying. very terrified. you know, they didn't know if they were going to make it. >> reporter: eight people died when a tornado hit the area around interstate 30. and in some neighborhoods storms ripped facades off houses, leaving gaping holes. and in other cases houses were just gone. >> the grace of god it worked. i'm really grateful. you know, my wife works not that far from here. if i didn't call her, she would be here right now, my kids would be here too. >> reporter: nick valencia, cnn. >> our nick valencia is on his way to texas. he's hit some trouble with the
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weather but he should be on the ground for us later in the show. for more on the situation on the ground, i'm joined on the phone by dan halliburton, a volunteer with the red cross in texas. you're there in rowlet just outside of a dallas shelter. first of all, describe what you're seeing and how bad the area is where that storm touched down. >> first and foremost today is a miserably cold day. we have had nothing but steady, cold rain all day long, sometimes very, very heavy downpours, mixed in with lightning and thunder. and you can imagine the problem that that creates for everyone who's part of this recovery effort. the debris and damage we've seen is as bad as any major tornado that i've seen, and i've seen a number of them. and the neighborhoods are very, very hard hit. our shelter here in rowlett is open. we have several open in the
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area. the folks stayed with us last night. today they're back trying to get into their neighborhoods to see what's left of their homes. >> what are authorities telling them, dan, about some of the dangers? are there downed power lines? are there ruptured areas? are the roads intact? what is the situation? what are the potential risks? >> one of the big problems right now is traffic. i-30 is the major east/west artery that runs through this area. and it is -- it's literally a parking lot in places as people try to get into and out of the area. that could be rubberneckers, but it also likely includes people from insurance companies, contractors for repairs, things that people need as part of the recovery of the disaster. >> the people at the shelter, describe their mood. describe some of their stories that you're hearing. >> well, one thing that seems to be a constant, as you see disasters around the country, is
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the resilience of people in the face of disasters like this. talking to a fellow here who was staying in an r.v., it was hit by the tornado, flipped up in the air, upside down. he crawled out from inside with just some scrapes. fires all around the area. and he had nothing, including no shoes. and he lost his phone. so he's back here at our red cross shelter, and we help him connect with his wife, who is up in ohio. we helped him get his medications filled. and we got him a pair of shoes and some warm socks. so it's been a lot of stories like that, stories of people's resiliency and their hope as they deal with kind of pretty overwhelming situation here, the devastation from this tornado. >> how many people do you have at the setter? how many people would you say tried to get out of the path? >> well, in the shelter but opened after the storm went
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through, so we had about ten residents here overnight, 25 in another shelter, and then that kind of has grown during the day as people i think tried to stay in what was maybe left of their home or in a neighbor's home, and now they're finally saying i give up, i just can't do that. so we get them in here. it's warm. it's safe. we've got hot food and certainly better situation than what they face in their neighborhood. >> are the people in this area -- we know that tornadoes usually happen but not at this time of year. are people simply shocked by this weather, this violent weather that hit texas at christmastime? >> well, texans like to make fun of the weather and the rapid changes. and if there was a weather map out that was quite popular in social media that showed the state of texas and it was blizzards to the west and a winter storm watch in the middle, tornado watch in one place, then tornado warnings in
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another. that's what it's been literally like for two days in the state of texas with a blizzard to the west and steady rain and the potential of tornadoes down to the southeast. >> wow. well, those pictures of these tornadoes just awe inspiring to see the scope and the power and just the devastation. dan halliburton with us from the red cross. thanks for your insights i don't want you stay safe. >> thank you. >> and tornadoes are not the only severe weather. the governor of new mexico just declaring a state of emergency in her state due to snow. up to 16 inches of snow has fallen there. the governor says roads in several counties are simply impassable. in lubbock, texas, snow and ice blanketing the roads. moater nature just getting started. 21 million people are under a winter storm watch today. karen maginnis is in the weather center. you heard dan halliburton. it's incredible the different weather patterns that are hitting texas.
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who is at highest risk? >> we have a very vigorous weather system that is quite unusual and i'm sure it will be studied over and over again. we have this trending of moisture all across the same area in eastern texas. and now there is a tornado watch. it goes until 4:00 p.m. local time. it is just shifted a little bit to the east of where we saw that severe weather yesterday, and all the devastation in some of those eastern suburbs of dallas. now, we don't have the exact track. we don't know how long it was. but you can certainly see just the extent of the devastation. ef-4. the last ef-4 tornado that we had this year in the united states, we have to go all the way back to may, and that was in fairdell, illinois, and that was a fatal tornado. this one, there you can see right across this northeastern quadrant of the dallas-ft. worth area, we were looking at this yesterday, and we saw those
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storms just kind of bubble up to the south of dallas. they moved off to the north and to the northeast and produced that violent weather. they are still trying to recover and the rain still comes down. all right. here is the troublemaker. there's a secondary system that's pulling across new mexico. that's where we've got the blizzard conditions in new mexico and the state of emergency there. so for the rest of sunday, it's going to be a good portion of eastern sections of texas and into louisiana. we have about 7 million people that will be affected by the potential for damaging winds and tornadoes. and we're not done yet. we go into monday from panama city, mobile, birmingham, huntsville, memphis, another 7 million to 9 million people could be impacted by the damaging winds and the potential for tornadic activity again, at the start of the workweek. and then we start to see these huge changes take place. all right. area of low pressure is going to
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be tracking across the central plains towards the great lakes, and look at the stark temperature differences that we have. lubbock, texas, 26 degrees. it's no go on the roads around lubbock because the weather is so bad, because of blizzard conditions. out ahead of it, shreveport is 81. who do you think is in line for the potential for severe weather today? yes, we've got these temperatures 70s and 80s, the dew points are high, the atmosphere there is perfect for another round of potentially devastating and deadly weather. >> just remarkable. we're hoping to speak to our nick valencia, who got stuck on a plane, the plane trying to get where he was going, and it ran out of fuel, had to land in houston. there will be a lot of people affected by these weather patterns. karen, thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up, a blow to isis. how iraqi forces have made a
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the iraqi government now has full control of a site in ramadi. we have new videos showing the deadly street fighting there. a government spokesperson says there could be a liberation announcement as early as tonight. cnn correspondent robyn kriel is in london for more on the fight to retake ramadi. >> reporter: iraqi security forces describe ramadi's security center has riddled with bombs hidden in the ground, in cars and homes rigged to explode as troops inch closer. isis has spent months manning for this counterassault after seizing the strategic city in may following a bloody battle. while security forces have made significant process since the operation began in earnest early tuesday morning aided by air strikes on key targets from the u.s.-led coalition. the battle for ramadi is by no means over. a military spokesman said there are still pockets of isis resistance across the city. fighters who have had months to
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prepare, planting bombs and positioning snipers prepared to fight until the death. around 120 civilian families have been rescued, say iraqi forces. they were prevented from leaving by isis-controlled roadblocks and the military is asking them to display white flags promising they'll be given safe passage. the recapture of ramadi would be a huge win for the iraqi troops. not only is it strategic and close to the capital, but it's also the center of sunni power in anbar province. and experts say retaking it would mean a genuine victory for government forces, a legitimate chance to govern the entire country and could be a sign that isis is weakening. robyn kriel, cnn, london. ? thank you, robyn. i want to bring in cnn military analyst lieutenant colonel rick francona. a heated fight to retake the city center. why is this so important to iraq? >> well, if you look at where anbar province is, it's to the
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west. it's heavily dominated by the sunnis. ramadi is the capital city of that province. it's only about 60 miles from baghdad, so it's very important that they get isis out of there. you know, for a while isis was rolling down the euphrates valley threatening the outskirts of baghdad. no longer the case. the iraqis have finally reconstituted their army are able to amass enough force to force isis out of there. i think the turnaround -- we see the iraqi forces actually going in and kicking isis out of territory, it's been a long time since we've seen that. tikrit was kind of an aberration, but now we're seeing the real iraqi army do this. this was done without a lot of iranian support this year, myly shas, a lot of american airpower but this is the iraqi army and also saw the sunni tribes allying with the shia-led army. this is really good news. >> because obviously there's been such sectarian tension between the sunnis and the shee i can't say, the fact that the sunnis are going to maintain control once that land is clear and able to hold it, that also says something about the
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direction that the iraqi government is willing to go. but we have heard iraqi forces say that before they liberated a town or city, you know, the victories seem to be exaggerated. how much can we trust the military assessment that this city is back under their control? >> i think that ramadi is going to fall if it hasn't fallen already, there might be an announcement even today sometime. the iraqis have put overwhelming military force against this 300 to 500 i sis holed up in the center of the city. they've had seven months to prepare, all the booby traps as robyn was talking about. but eventually the iraqis are going to close that and then the key is holding that territory, taking territory is one thing, holding it is something else. now that we've got the sunnis on board, i think we've reached a turnaround at least in anbar province. now the key comes what happens.
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do we go north mosul? that will be the key. because without still controlling mosul, iraq is still a fractured country. >> there's a potential peace process at play. the u.n. wants to get all sides talking at the table, but the death of a key leader, the army of islam leader, how significant could that be? with will that create a rift between people who are being brought to the table to talk? because it's unclear whether syrian warplanes killed him or whether russian air strikes led to his death. what does this mean for syria and the potential peace process in that region? >> yeah. i think this has been a blow to the peace process. ayloush was rather moderate. he was willing to talk to the regime about the flollow-on. so we had willingness by both sides to sit down and talk. now we see the syrians taking him on.
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they have excellent intelligence. this area he was killed is duma, the north suburb of damascus, it's right there. taking him out dealt a blow to the opposition. and now the regime is hard-pressed to talk to the rebels because they have the upper handle. now with the russians there supporting them, they've had iranian and hezbollah support far long time, they're winning. why should they sit down and talk? so i think this has hardened the regime. i think it will have real impact on the negotiations and now remains to be seen what mr. kerry and mr. lavrov can come up with in moscow. >> especially since this leader was clear lay moderate and he was fighting not only the assad regime but also isis. if syria is serious about the fight against isis, they have to get the moderates on their side. lieutenant colonel rick francona, thanks so much. we always appreciate your insight. >> sure thing. and coming up, peyton manning throws the flag on doping allegations. what he said straight ahead. right now,
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peyton manning is furious and says new allegations about him using performance-enhancing drugs, are, quote, complete garbage, unquote. in the report, a man the al jazeera network calls a
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pharmacist claims growth hormone and other drugs were sent to the home many times addressed to manning's wife. that man has now told espn and al jazeera he made the story up about manning. the denver quarterback just spoke to espn. >> i think i wrote to at least between being angry, furious, on and on, but disgusted is really how i feel, sickened by it that -- i'm not sure i understand how someone can make something up about somebody, admit that he's made it up, and yet somehow it gets published in a story. i don't understand that. maybe you can explain it to me, somebody else can. so it's completely fabricated, complete trash, garbage. there's some more adjectives i'd like to be able to use. but it really makes me sick, makes me sick, makes me sick that it brings ashley into it, her medical history, her medical
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privacy being violated. that makes me sick. i don't understand that. and, you know, i'm in the middle of working out, which i enjoy doing that, and i got to interrupt this work out to come and, you know, talk about this. it's not right. i don't understand it. >> have you ever used hgh or any performance-enhancing drugs? >> absolutely not. absolutely not. and what hurts me the most about this is that whoever this guy is, this slapstick trying to insinuate that in 2011 when i, you know, more or less had a broken neck. i don't know, four neck surgeries, broken neck, i'm sure there's a difference in there, but i had a bad neck and i busted my butt, you know, to get healthy, put in a lot of hard work. i saw a lot of doctors. i went to the clinic. he had a hyperbaric trainer that our coaches, trainers, and doctors thought might be good for me. they went with me. and thought it might help. don't know if it helped.
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didn't hurt. time ended up being probably my best medicine along with a lot of hard work. and it really stings me whoever this guy is insinuated a cut corners, broke nfl rule in order to get healthy. it's freaking joke. >> you mentioned your wife. their source for this report. >> right. >> he's a guy, charlie sly, who used to work at the guyer institute. he said they actually mailed medications to your home in your wife's name. >> i don't know this guy. i never heard of this guy up until this report, never met this guy. any medical treatments that my wife receives, that's her business. nothing to do with me. nothing that's ever within said to her or whatever have i ever taken. i have my treatments that i do, she may have hers, but there's no business. there's no connection between the two. and whoever this -- i'd love to, you know -- i'd love to understand, you know, why this guy is saying this, why he's
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making it up, then he admits he makes it up yet it still becomes a story. i'd like to be told and explained that. >> peyton manning also sald there are no short cuts in the nfl and to insinuate otherwise is defamation. he's putting this behind him and he hopes to play again this season. he is recovering from a foot injury. in our next hour, rachel nicholls joins us with more. and coming up, donald trump is at it again, this time going after both hillary and bill clinton. what is he saying? next. and chicago police admit to what they're calling a tragic accident. an officer accidentally shot and killed a mother of five. we'll hear from her coming up next.
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hillary clinton. the republican front-runner has sent out a tweet slamming clinton's recent announcement that her husband, former president bill clinton, will hit the campaign trail for her in january. trump tweeted, "hillary clinton has announced she's letting her husband out to campaign, but he's demonstrated a penchant for sexism. so inappropriate." chris frates is in our washington bureau. so, chris, what do you think? >> reporter: i'll tell you, the fight between donald trump and hillary clinton is getting increasingly personal. the billionaire attacking bill clinton for his sexism. trump says his tweet last night attacking bill clinton's, quote, penchant for sexism, turned the tables on hillary clinton because she used the same phrase to criticize trump earlier in the week after she used the sexist vulgarity to describe clinton's loss to barack obama in 2008. >> i think he is fair game because his presidency was considered to be very troubled,
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to put it mildly, because of all of the things she's talking to me about. she's mentioning sexism. i turned her in fact words -- i don't know if you saw the following tweet, but i turned her exact words against her from that standpoint. and she's got to be careful. you know, it's got to be fair. and we all have to fight fairly and we have to fight, you know, for the good of the country, for the good of the people, for the good of everybody, but we have to fight fairly. and she's playing the woman's card, and it's like give me a break. >> so the chairwoman of the democratic national committee fired back saying trump is practicing gutter politics and that the whole gop field is following him down the sewer. >> it's really outrageous the depths and how low he has allowed the campaign to sink, and the rest of the republican field is going along with him. >> trump's slam on bill clinton's marital infidelity and alleged sexual misconduct comes a week after the democratic front-runner announced her husband will hit the campaign
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trail for her next week and the attack appears to be a kind of everyone tif strike on the man regarded by many as one of the country's best campaigners and suggests trump is feeling secure enough in his lead to take on the leading democrat. trump and clinton are neck and neck in a number of hypothetical matchups and it doesn't hurt that criticizing clinson is also very popular among a number of republican primary voters, deb. >> you think of bill clinton, he had madeleine albright as secretary of state, janet reno as his attorney general, donna shalala as his secretary of health and human services. so he's got a strong record of supporting women. has the hillary clinton campaign responded? >> you know, they have not pointed that out yet, deb. i reached out to them to say, hey, you know, do you guys have any response to trump's explanation. keep in mind that this is good for both hillary clinton and trump. they're both trying to show their respective primar voters that they're the best standard-bearer for their parties and that they can take
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on the other person. trump is saying i look forward to taking on hillary clinton. i don't want bernie sanders. hillary clinton saying trump is a joke, a misogynist, a demagogue, and i'm the person who can defeat him. you know, as i pointed out, they are neck and neck in some of these hypothetical matchups so at least going forward, this plays to both their strengths as they try to convince their bases that they're the person that should become the nominee come next november. >> all right. chris frates, thanks so much for that report in washington for us today. let's talk about this a little more with our political panel. brian morganstern is a republican strategist, baccari sellers a former democratic state representative from south carolina who backs hillary clinton. brian, you first. is trump right? is bill clinton a sexist given his record with women? >> he may be one of the more legendary sexual a harassers of
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our time but you could take on hillary with that having called monica lewinsky a narcissistic looney tune and people who had substantiated allegations against bill clinton as the bimbo explosion. maybe there is some campaign fodder there, some meat on the bone, but directing it at bill i don't think actually is to his advantage very much. but here's what is to his advantage, is keeping the personal nitpick i can fights between him and hillary in the press, it keeps other candidates off the front page. frankly, it has nothing to do with what either one of them would do as president or who would be a better president. and that is to donald's political advantage. >> now he's setting up a different sort of optic when it comes to fighting. who is he fighting against? not the other republicans. they don't matter to him. he's fighting against hillary clinton, who could potentially be his opponent. baccari, trump and the clintons have a long relationship. the clintons even attended trump's third wedding in 2005.
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you know, do you think trump is trying to push back against the thought that these were people he was palling up with for a long time? >> i'm not sure what trump is trying to do. in fact, nobody can predict what trump is trying to do, if anyone says, that they're lying. we know that trump is taking this new political game into the trash and many are following him down that rabbit hole and that's unfortuna unfortunate. i am the most adamant barack obama supporter you'll find but bill clinton is the greatest of our nation. there is fear when bill clinton comes out. we call him the big dog. when the big dog comes out on the campaign trail, it galvanizes the base, breeds excitement, and that's something that trump or whoever else is the gop nominee are going to have to deal with. >> isn't it fair to say, look, trump is saying hillary clinton is using the jernd card. well, isn't trump using the
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businessman's card? rbt they playing to their strengths? isn't hillary's gender perhaps a strength to people who don't want somebody like trump? >> what he's pointing out is hypocrisy that she likes to play the aggressive victimhood card quite frequently. she did it well with benghazi. frequently reminds us all that she's a woman and wants to break through the glass ceiling and parades out her husband who's had all seize accusations of sexual harassment. it's the hypocrisy point that donald is trying to chip into her credibility. what he does i think that is different -- again, i'm not much of a donald defender, but here's what he does well, which is basically just saying, yeah, i'm rich, you know it, and that's a strength. and he just airs everything. he's open kimono as opposed to hillary who tries to parse things. i think there's your difference.
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>> let me point out what's wrong in that messaging saying hillary clinton is, quote, unquote, playing a gender card or the fact that she's a woman to become the next president of the united states. the fact of the matter is, can brye yap or anyone else name the female president of the previous 44 we've had? we can't. it's historic. we're fwrav tating towards that. people literally want to be able to tell their young daughters, i want to be able to tell my 10-year-old step daughter that one day she can become president of the united states. that's powerful p thap's not playing a gender card nap's history and the fact of where we are today. that is just one of the many reasons that hillary clinton's going to be the 45th president. >> and gentlemen, as we wrap, a quick yes or no, do you think that trump's allure to the public right now will translate into actual numbers at the polls? yes or no. brian, you first. >> no. >> bakar snishgs.
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>> science says no, but he's not done anything scientific, so yes. >> all right. brian morganstern, bakari sellers, thanks so much, gentlemen. >> you too. see you soon. coming up, a chicago police officer kills a mother of five. the department says by accident. the latest controversial police shooting next. well, hello... ♪ santa? ♪ (flourish spray noise) ho, ho, ho! dad...what are you doing? i am not your dad... i am santa claus. then who's that? ♪ this holiday, share the joy of real cream... (flourish spray noise) share the joy of real cream... ...with reddi-wip. ♪ (flourish spray noise) ♪ ♪ and then santa's workers zapped it, right to our house.
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somebody needs to do something about this. this is ridiculous. what about the tasers? taser. don't start shooting people, innocent people! >> ryan young joins me from chicago outside the house where the two victims lived and wir killed. ryan, the father had called police because hi 19-year-old son was acting erratically. he asked his mom to open the door when police arrived. what are you learning? >> this was a domestic dispute where they called for help from the police department because they believed their son was troubled mentally. you can see the growing numbers of people gathering for a vigil that will take place and people will be talking about what happened here. 19-year-old kwantariot agere was having some mentalish shouse and had an aluminum bat. when police arrived they saw the
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young man with the bat and when the officer opened fire they nod only hit him but betty jones. that has upset this community because the first question they had is obviously this man was suffering from mental health issues and they want to know where was a taser when officers arrived. >> a child that wanted things. he always said mama had millions because you know what, i'm going to work hard, i'm going to study hard. he was an honor student. seven times my son was shot, one in the buttocks. that showed that he was turning away. he was turning away. but i got to turn today for him and i have to be there. this needs to stop. no mottth moher should have to e ery her child. >> this is just getting started. reverend jesse jackson has arrived pap lot of the community members galvanized, calling for
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answers in this case. they want to know what's going on with the city of shick. yes we know an officer has been placed on 30-day leave, desk duty, that's new for this police department after some new regulations are put into place. people in this community want to know exactly what happened. why did the officer get out of the car, approach the young man with the bat, start shooting, then obviously they've already admitted to shooting the 55-year-old woman betty jones was a mistake. but now look you can see the galvanization of this community as people are stepping forward wanting to know what's going on with the police department in this community. they want changes and they want changes fast. deborah? >> very interesting. i saw that the mom was wearing a sweatshirt that said "rahm failed us," obviously referring to the city's mayor. is there -- i know you've been covering a lot of angles on this different story. what are the rules if you know about using a taser as opposed to sort of more lethal force, especially if a young man who is emotionally disturbed is running at you with an aluminum bat?
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>> reporter: several questions here. one, did the police know whether or not the young man was mentally disturbed or was he a combatant with someone inside the house. there's also the issue in chicago with every officer not having a taser. we're not sure whether or not the officer responding had a taser. we know this community is upset with the idea that seven shots were fired and of course not only did it hit the young man but the woman right behind him, who was standing in the house. people are asking for calm. they want training for these officers. they want to see a change in how people are approached. obviously the answers are not coming out fast enough. we're not sure if this officer was wearing a body cam or was there any kind of dashcam video. right now we're having to wait for that independent review board with the police department to come out and give their findings. but of course we know with the last 24 hours that's not going to happen that quickly, deborah. >> just so tragic. this mom had been called by the family to come upstairs and help open the door when police
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arrived and was caught there in the firing. ryan young, thank you. we'll check back with you later. >> let's talk more about this with criminal defense attorney joey jackson. the officer has been placed on administrative duty for 30 days. you think about this shooting, somebody running towards you with an aluminum bat. how do you put that into context as a defense lawyer? >> this is how it's going to be assessed. and good afternoon to you. we understand and get, i think, as a society, that police have a very difficult and dangerous job. but when you analyze this, and i think it will be analyzed in three certain ways -- one, was the officer in fear for his life, his partner's life or anyone else's life who was there. two, the actions the officer took was it proportionate to any threat that was posed. the person has an aluminum bat. did you need to shoot him? three, did the officer act
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reasonably? obviously it's easy to second-guess what officers do. yoch all the facts and information. none of us do. but it's troubling because there's a use of force continuum. the issue is do you have to shoot, use lethal force as your first option as opposed to an option that may ultimately be necessary to protect and preserve your life or someone else's. and i think that's why the community is concerned, not only in terms of the disproportionate nal ti of the force and seven shots with baseball bat but why was it necessary to shoot, okay, i can't talk to you, is is there a baton, a taser, pepper spray, do i have to shoot? and i think when the analysis and the investigation unfolds it's going to focus on the reasonableness of that officer's conduct because, remember, not only is that 19-year-old dead but that 55-year-old is dead as well.
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and that was by mistaken gunfire. >> we've seen cases, you and i in new york, where police do respond to reports of an emotionally distusrbed person. how should they be dealing with that? you already know there's somebody having problems, the family called police to help them because they couldn't for whatever reason. how should police go into cases where you are dealing with somebody who is emotionally disturbed? >> i think this focuses on a critical issue which is that of training. officers have a difficult job. i think community gets that, i think society gets it, but i think the issue is the dealing with people and the resorting at first, not at last, to the lethal measures to kill someone. and so when someone is emotionally disturbed, does the officer have the ability, the knowledge, the training, the experience to deal with that, do they believe the person is in imminent threat as opposed to someone who has a behavioral difficulty stemming from a
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mental disease, defect, or whatever they may be undergoing. having a police force that has a recognition of mental illness and mental health problems and a recognition of the use of force continuum that we discussed, that ultimately if it's ka lates to deadly force because you have to, there's no other alternative, i think society gets it. but when the bullets start flying right away without anything in between, i think that a lot of questions that arise. we don't know all the answers. we'll get them. but there are two people dead here, and the question becomes why was it necessary and that's what's going to be analyzed from a criminal perspective if it comes to that, if there's any grand jury that investigates that conduct and certainly from a civil perspective in terms of if there's any lawsuit for wrongful death in this case. >> no question about that. the 911 calls are also going to be interesting because apparently the father called police saying his son had an aluminum bat and he was being threatened with that bat. this 19-year-old just for perspective for our audience was student at northern illinois
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university but clearly was having some problems. so, all right. joey jackson, thanks as always for your excellent insights. we appreciate it. >> thank you, deb. and coming up, madonna is trying to ring in the new year with her kids. there's only one problem. one may have left the nest. she wants him back. it's a custody battle that's crossing country lines, next. right now, you're not thinking about all the money you saved by booking your flight,
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look like singer madonna wants to spend the new year with family. only one problem. according to "the new york daily news," the pop star's teenage son, rocco, doesn't want to come back to new york. he's tired of being on tour with her. he wants to stay in london with his dad, movie director guy ritchie. these are images of the father, there's the son, rocco, a few years ago. madonna went to court in manhattan wednesday and won a court order essentially the judge forcing rocco to return, saying if he doesn't go back to new york to be with her he won't be with his father either. rocco has expressed very clearly he doesn't want to go to new york. let's talk more about this with
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cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney, joey jackson, how does this work? we're talking about two laws and two different continents. new york is not a continent, though we like to think it is. the u.s. and the uk. >> what'll happen, deb, good afternoon, is this. he's 15 years old and what 15-year-old doesn't have their issues, doesn't have their thoughts, and doesn't yearn for their independence or may not, you know, be in tune with what their mom wants to do. that's perfectly natural and normal. however, jurisdiction originated in new york inasmuch as there was a divorce proceeding back in 2009 where custody and the matters that were settled in the divorce were ultimately determined. so new york has jurisdiction. the united states has jurisdiction. while rocco, 15-year-old, handsome little guy, while he may in fact end up in london, that issue will be determined in new york. he'll be ordered back. the courts in london will accept that notion.
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there's a treaty governing international disputes like this. there's no question it will be resolved in new york. he'll get an attorney appointed, call the law guardian. there will be a nice hearing. he'll be able to air his concerns. the mom will be able to air her concerns. the dad will weigh in and a judge will make a decision. >> i know a lot of people who work were places like tmz are hoping that this is open, this court proceeding. when we think about this, rocco is 15 years old. as a 15-year-old boy, doesn't he get a say where he wants to be and where he thinks he will be happi happier? 15 matters. >> it does. rocco will have his say, he'll be able to air his grievances, his concerns. they'll be listened to and respected but he will not rule the roost. ultimately it will be based upon a number of factors, where best -- and it will be based on, to be clear, no matter what he says, what's in his best interest, where is his center of gravity, who would be able to provide for the support, the
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concern. is he leaving or would it leave a breach in the family in terms of his other brother, his half sisters. would that affect him and how his mental and psychological well-being at the end of the day be impacted. while he will have a great say in what goes on it will not be the final say. a lot of other factors will come into the mix in terms of the judge making an ultimate ruling as to whether rocco stays with dad in london or stays with his mom, madonna, here in new york. >> my guess this is not going to be a very easy fight. guy ritchie a tough character as his movies show him to be. do you think ultimately the lawyers will be able to duke this out or do you think this guardian that he's getting is going to be able to say enough with the fighting, this is what this kid wants? >> what happens in these cases, and of course there could be some settlement of the dispute so it doesn't go to court, that's one of the things that happens. sometimes the parties end up talking and saying this is what
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rocco wants, he's 15, he's getting older, would he be best served in london. he's hitting the college years soon. or should we go full throttle at a hearing. a law guardian by all means is his lawyer and has so much to stay in terms of the recommendation they make. and it all falls on the words, the magic words, the best interest of the child. what does that mean? oftentimes it's not what the child thinks his best interests are, even though 15-year-olds think they know everything -- >> yes, they do. >> it's what the judge determines based on everything else. >> joey jackson, thank you so much. appreciate your time. >> much more ahead in the "newsroom." it starts at the top of the hour. bring your family and friends together
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