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>> reporter: dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, new york. >> thank you so much for watching. i'm brianna keilar. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. next, donald trump speaking live in this hour before a big new hampshire crowd hours after he accuses hillary clinton of playing the woman card. in plus, the leader of isis threatening attacks on america. and prosecutors finding an officer was justified when he shot a 12-year-old black boy. tonight they are offering video that proves the officer did nothing wrong. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, trump taking on clinton. both of them. donald trump today saying hillary clinton is playing the quote/unquote woman's card. and donald trump is putting bill clinton's past on the table saying that trump has a pension
for sexism. >> with all of her past and her past dealings and, frankly, she's been involved in it with her husband as much as anybody, for her to be discussing that i think is out of bounds and i've let them know that. i think we have to have fair fights here and fair dialogue and we have to do what is right for the country and she shouldn't be discussing it. probably more so than anybody i know she should not be discussing that. so i let them know that. and right now, we are waiting for trump's live comments at the rally that you see here. it's in new hampshire. it will begin at any moment. he's expected to take on the clintons. sara murray begins live coverage in nashville where the trump rally is kicking off. sara, how do trump supporters feel about this fight? >> reporter: erin, a big cheer went up in the crowd just moments ago when one of the local officials was criticizing hillary clinton. so i think that gives you a sense that trump supporters
don't have a lot of affection for hillary clinton but the bigger question is how does this line of attack play with independent voters and with women. just weeks before the iowa caucuses, it seems nothing is off limits. >> she's trying to bring out the women's card. >> reporter: upping the ante. >> with all of her past and her past dealings and, frankly, she's been involved in it with her husband as much as anybody, for her to be discussing that i think it's out of bounds and i've let them know that. >> reporter: trump is putting bill clinton's past infidelities and allegations of sexual harassment on the table. all of this after clinton accused trump of having a pension for sexism. >> i don't know that he has any boundaries at all and his bigotry, his bluster, his bullying has become his
campaign. >> i think he is fair game because his presidency was really considered to be very troubled, to put it mildly, because of all of the things that she's talking to me about. i mean, she's mentioning sexism. >> reporter: today, trump tweeting, "if hillary thinks she can unleash her husband with his terrible record of women abuse while playing the woman's card on me, she's wrong." a sharp turnaround from a few years ago. in 2008, he dismissed bill's indiscretions as totally unimportant. >> look at the trouble that bill clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant and they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. >> reporter: targeting bill's behavior may fire up trump's backers. but attacking hillary over her husband's indiscretions could fuel her own supporters. now, tonight, the clinton campaign is trying to send the
signal that they are not intimidated by these attacks and said in part, "hillary clinton will not be bullied by his attacks he throws at her and former president clinton." erin? >> sara murray, live in nashville, thank you. "outfront" now, donald trump campaign spokesperson, katrina pierson and david brock. david, you heard donald trump. he said hillary clinton should stop using the quote/unquote woman's card in part given her husband's past. fair point? >> no. not at all. this has nothing to do with bill or hillary clinton. politically, this is a strategy by trump to feed red meat to the base because cruz is beating him in iowa. he can't go to the right of cruz on immigration because they both have such a draconian position. he thinks this is going to work with the base that may want to go back and relitigate something from 20 years ago but the public rejected it then, as donald
trump did a few years ago. and what he's really trying to avoid here is taking hillary clinton out on the issues where she's got real differences on how to fight isis, where she wants to double down on special forces and have a no-fly zone and he wants to make an alliance with a criminal, a murderer, putin. or let's talk about, quote, woman card. hillary clinton for reproductive choice. trump says no. hillary clinton for paid family leave. trump says no. for affordable health care for kids, trump says no. that's why he has a disapproval rating of an astounding 68% among women. >> katrina? >> this is so interesting. talking about criminals and murderers? so this is a hillary clinton tactic. this is not donald trump that started to talk about bill clinton. this was hillary clinton calling him a sexist. and she's just putting him on notice that before you start calling me names, you need to stay closer to home with the antics that she's trying to use.
the fact of the matter is, hillary is running on the woman card. she's said it before and she said it again. she's running because she has to have women to win. the problem is, hillary is polling statistically tied with women, with all of the republican candidates at the top. this has nothing to do with iowa. this has everything to do with hillary clinton trying to paint donald trump as a sexist. just like she would do with any other candidate that she felt like she might have to run against. >> so david, let me ask you, because i'm curious as to whether you think hillary clinton is playing this well or has gone too far. let me share what another republican candidate had to say about this issue today, carly fiorina. >> hillary clinton, first of all, calls everybody a sexist and that's not fair game. she called bernie sanders a sexist because he criticized her. >> let me play the exchange between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. here it is. >> with all of the shouting in the world is not going to do what i would hope all of us want
and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns. >> i've been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. well, i haven't been shouting but sometimes when a woman speaks out, some people think it's shouting. >> david, so now you can't say she shouts without being labeled a sexist? >> look, i think the only thing you can do with sexism which we learned in the '08 campaign, when she was subjected to this, the only thing you can do is call it out. i think she's doing the right thing to call it out. this is blatantly degrading, what trump did, of hillary clinton. but i agree with what carly fiorina said in the second part of that quote, which is, this is a loser issue. it's not how to win. we litigated all of this in the '90s, 20 years ago. the public rejected it. president clinton left office with sky high approval ratings and hillary ended up in the senate. if trump wants to push this
playbook -- look, internal pollings show that this doesn't work. he doesn't poll so he's probably ignorant of that. hillary will end up in the white house and end up beloved. >> it's not working because, yes, this was maybe sort of kind of put out a long time ago. this is before social media. this is before republicans actually had the guts to get out there and fight on the issue. this is about hillary clinton calling herself a champion of women. >> $70 million. partisan prosecutor. >> a champ general of one woman and that's hillary clinton. and so we're going to be able to talk about some of these issues when she helped hide some of bill clinton's antics and when she represented a man who she got off and laughed about after raping a 12-year-old little girl. so don't tell me that's not there. >> that's absolutely not there. that is trash from the washington free beacon and you know it. >> the proof is there. >> don't tell me republicans didn't try to make this work. a very partisan prosecutor spent $70 million in the 90s to come
up with nothing, presented flimsy evidence for impeachment. president clinton was acquitted by the senate on all counts and this was put to bed. >> i'm not talking about that. >> katrina, let me finish here. bill clinton is very popular, katrina. that's a fact, right? so whatever the infidelities may have been, the american public has moved on. are you saying that because of social media they may want to relitigate it? >> no. there is tarnish there. if hillary clinton wants to push the sexism statement then, yes, it is fair game and the things that the public never got to hear, we'll finally get to hear it. >> the public got to hear everything and more than the public wanted it. they got to hear more than the public wanted to hear. and so we can go down this path all night but you know what
george bernard shaw said about wrestling with a pig, you shouldn't do it because all you do is get dirty and donald trump should not be in the white house. >> we're not going to back down either. hillary clinton should really run on the issues instead of trying to paint republicans to be something that they are not. she's the one that called donald trump a sexist when she was criticized. you can't get out there and say, i'm a champion of women and the second you're criticized start acting like a little girl. if she wants to put bill clinton out there and run on his record, we can talk about that, too, because the clinton economy was due to newt gingrich. speaker gingrich did that. >> hold on. why is that presidency -- >> david, let me ask you -- i do want to ask you one more question about the bernie sanders she referred to that very clearly, right, and said
i'm not shouting, people say that about a woman. was that fair of her to say that? that was -- whatever word you want to use, that's the quote/unquote woman card. should she have done it? >> yes, she should. all i can tell you about sexism, a lot of times it's very subtle. she picked that up. i'm a guy. i don't even hear it half the time. she's absolutely entitled if that's how she heard it to call it out. >> katrina, final word? >> you know, it's very subtle. every time somebody says something, hillary clinton is a victim. that used to work in the past but it's not going to work anymore. we're talking about the economy, too. you said bill clinton did all of this stuff for the working class. bill clinton had to sign the bills because house speaker newt gingrich shut the government down several times forcing those economic reforms. so they are not going to get away with it this time. >> thank you both very much. >> thanks. "outfront" next, donald trump says his campaign is entering a new phase, he's going to unify the party. can he do that? we're going to go to new hampshire.
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with all of the millions -- you've seen that i've essentially spent nothing and bush has spent 59 million. he's down toward the bottom with 3% or 2% or something. and we have -- we actually had a poll come out, 42%. we had 39%. look at these polls. it's crazy. we have numbers. we have to go through them, right? let's go through them for a second. you know, they always say, why do you go through the polls? because i'm winning. honestly, if i wasn't, i have to be honest, if i wasn't, i wouldn't be talking about them. and you know, he always talks about the polls. we don't. they shouldn't because they are not winning. so we have a lot of good ones. cruz, 46%, kriz stooe is 4, bush is 3. after -- how about this? you spend $59 million and you're three? you know what is impressive is
the economy. trump is 55%. on the budget, trump is 51. and how about this? it was 17 real estate now it's 15 and now it's 14. it's going down. it's going to go down quickly. by the way, one thing i have to tell you, new hampshire will always maintain its place if i win. just so you know. there's a big movement. to put you at the front of the pact. i don't know why. i don't know, is it retribution, they don't want it? they don't like it? you have a lot of power. and -- >> buy it. >> they have problems. they have a heroin problem that is really incredible. i hear so much about that from the people up here and we're
going to build a wall and have a real border. we've got to get the whole heroin thing under control. >> this is donald trump at a rally in new hampshire. we're monitoring this. we're going to go back to it live. he's talking about the polls in new hampshire. even though he's still topping the polls in that state, the top new hampshire in new hampshire is not a fan. the publicer of the unier leader wrote an editorial call trump a blow hard and says he's an insult to the intelligence of the republican voters. that paper has endorsed chris christie. trump pushed back calling the paper a real low life. this is one of the battles that the front-runner is battling today as we monitor his comments in new hampshire, jeff zeleny is "outfront." >> reporter: donald trump is in yet another family feud with republicans. he wield power over the party in
an interview today with radio iowa. >> i think to a certain extent i have blown up the party. >> reporter: he took aim at the republican national committee and gop gop and believes that state party is trying to keep his supporters away from the polls in their critical march 1st primary. controlled by the rnc is working hard to disallow independent, unaffiliated and new voters. bad. meachb believe trump are his supporters. rp virginia has lost statewide seven times in a row. suicidal mistake. rnc must act now. it's the way this flare-up in trump's ongoing war with republicans. he said today his first priority is trying to win.
>> if i get the nomination, lee do whatever i can to make it right. >> he's threatened to leave the party before. >> are you going to break this pledge? >> i think it's highly unlikely unless they break the pledge to me. if they don't treat me with a certain amount of decorum and respect, if they don't treat me as the front-runner by far the front-runner, if the playing field is not open. >> reporter: he vowed in september to not run as an independent. >> i am totally committed to the republican party. >> reporter: the republican party has a complicated relationship with its front-runners. leaders worry he could win the nomination. his rumble with the republican establishment is part of his appeal. they say they are fed up with the status quo. >> i think, personally, i think
as americans we are fed up with quote/unquote republican party and we want someone who is going to help america get back to where it should be. >> reporter: and that is a central part of trump's appeal, that he's not part of the republican establishment, that the parties and voters do not like this cycle. he's not part of that group. so that's the central challenge here. he wants to stand up to his party leaders and know his supporters will go with him. erin, it's so challenging here for the republican leaders. what will they do if he bucks the party? we still don't know if he will but that's the central thing we're watching. erin? >> jeff, thank you very much in iowa tonight. "outfront" next, jeff lord served as political director and rory cooper who worked in the george bush administration.
is donald trump really the only person who can reinvigorate your party? >> let's look back at the last seven years under president obama. they went out and won over 900 legislature seats, 13 senators, 69 house members. that's a strong record that actually stopped a lot of president obama's agenda. the republican party has been a force of good and the democratic party floundered and couldn't win the state and local races. does that sound like somebody donald trump would be the exact same effect for the republican party. it would be about congress, and the infrastructure that the party needs and meanwhile that's not even to say the types of messages that he would make other republicans have to associate with which you would
spend all of your time either denouncing or defending. >> he says he would make it all about himself that is very negative for the party. >> this kind of thing used to be said about ronald reagan and former president ford in march 1980. we're saying to "the new york times," ronald reagan could never win a national election because he was too conservative and conservatives could not win national elections. >> he's not conservative at all. >> well, he most certainly is conservative. the republican party, unfortunately, as it was in 1980, has a bit of a club bee atmosphere about him. they want all of the right folks and none of the outside folks and the outside folks are exactly the folks that win elections. they made those republican victors in 2010 and 2015 possible. and when we nominate
establishment candidates, we lost. there's a reason for it. and donald trump is the anecdote to this. >> so rory, what about this point, though? it gets down to virginia, as jeff was talking about. why not -- i understand you want republicans to decide who the republican nominee will be. but why not allow new voters in, independents, the people energized by people like donald trump. why exclude them? >> i think what donald trump does not know about politics, is what the republican party actually is. the party is a campaign infrastructure. it is designed to have republican party voters select their candidates. not for independent voters like independent candidates, not for green voters, like green candidates. it's for republicans to nominate who they think is their best pick and this election should be decided by republicans. the reason why donald trump wants it to be decided by other voters is because he knows republicans do not want him as their nominee.
>> that's perfectly fine if they want to have a close primary with republican voters. do it. don't open the process saying that everybody can vote and then say after you've done that you've got to sign this piece of paper. it's either one or the other. >> virginia does not have party affiliation, as you may or may not know in virginia. >> so according to politico -- the people in the white house say when it comes to trump, the white house is amazed at the gop's leaders ability to and the president thinks trump is doing to the party with the group who is will determine future elections, talking about, for example, hispanics. is the president right? it's interesting that rory is saying that donald trump and the president have a lot in common, specifically their and donald trump is exactly the kind of person, just like ronald reagan
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. this is donald trump live speaking with reporters in new hampshire right now speaking live and we are monitoring that, talking about iran right now. we'll be dipping in, of course, as he talks about hillary clinton. it's one of his competitors that is expected to pick up a key endorsement hours from now real estate that's marco rubio, a popular south carolina congressman, trey gowdy, is about to jump on board with rubio. the big question now is, can rubio still win the nomination if he loses new hampshire and iowa as polls suggest he will? those are the first two voting states. tom foreman is "outfront." >> reporter: erin, look at four polls from four early voting states and you can see the challenge in front of marco rubio. it starts in iowa.
here, you have trump and cruz duking it out for the lead. rubio is a distant third. go over to new hampshire. similar situation. rubio is still in a distant third. come down to south carolina and he drops in to fourth place. same thing over here in nevada. he's got some family ties that might help him out here but, still, this is kind of a mess of a first month. and yet he has to try to fashion a winning campaign out of this. how does he do it? first of all, he's going to have to pick up another delegates because, remember, this is proportional to see how he does in the race. his campaign seems to be moving forward, not falling further behind and needs interference with trump. by that i mean, if trump and cruz start duking it out for all of the voters that want an outsider to win, rubio has to appeal to the republican base, which is weary of outsiders like
this and seem to be a unifier for the party. if that is the case, if that's his reputation coming out of that early month of voting, then, as you sweep in to all of the other states and all of the other delegates, he may be able to continue picking them up because, remember, still proportional. by middle of march when it switches to win or take all and you have huge prizes out there, like his home state of florida, he may get big pushes towards the finish line. all of this is a long shot based on the current poll numbers, erin, but this is a strange year in politics. stranger things could happen. >> that is true. stranger things could happen and everything could change completely in a day. back with me now, katrina p ichlt ierson and matt lewis. matt, you just heard tom. it's possible but very difficult, according to the polls for rubio to pull this off. do you really think rubio can
beat donald trump and ted cruz? >> yeah. i think it's entirely possible. again, it's tough for anybody to do. i think it was a great package. it really explained what needs to happen. i think rubio has to stay alive early on. he's not going to win iowa. no one expects him to win iowa. if he can win south carolina or nevada, then i think he's in the game. and if nobody else runs the table, nobody else starts winning every state, like trump doesn't start winning iowa and new hampshire and south carolina, if all of those things happen, he is very viable once we get to the big win states. this is the guy who i think matches up best against hillary clinton. if republicans care about actually winning the general election, marco rubio's probably the best way to go and maybe that's why i think he has a pretty good chance, with all of the caveats we've laid out already. >> is donald trump concerned about marco rubio? is that something that you're worried about? >> not even a little bit. it's a long shot and there's a
lot of ifs in that scenario and i don't think it's going to happen. trump supporters are solid trump supporters. marco rubio is not an option. the gang of eight is still there. he's still soft on immigration and that is a key constituency for republican primary voters. it's why it hurts some politicians in the past because we have to get a handle on illegal immigration in this country so rubio is a nonstarter for many trump and cruz supporters. >> rubio is trying to overcome -- immigration is it an issue with him but for the base voter it could be a problem. in south carolina, what i mentioned from trey gowdy, the question for you, matt is, do these endorsements matter? some congress says so? >> i think trey gowdy, of course s. a highly respected conservative. katrina actually raised money for trey gowdy to try to draft him to be speaker of the house. this is a guy who is a highly
respected conservative who thinks marco rubio would be the best man to be president. i think you make a valid point there, erin. endorsements, by and large, are overrated and don't matter as much as we think they do number one, i think rubio is maybe the only game in town for endorsements, especially if it's ted cruz whom basically most of his colleague hate or donald trump, the outsider, he's not going to get them for obvious reasons. what if right before new hampshire kelly ayotte endorses rubio? i think this at the right time, the right person and right place could make a difference. >> katrina, what do you say to that? as matt points out, you yourself have supported trey gowdy. >> actually, that's not true. i supported an organization that supported trey gowdy. i personally supported someone like jim jordan or mark meadows
as speaker but an organization that i represented, we had 280,000 consistent voters who represented trey gowdy. but i don't think that political endorsements are going to matter at all. people are tired of politicians. that's why we're having this upset right now. so, no, i don't think if kelly ayotte or even joanie earnst went out there and endorsed marco rubio or anybody else that it's going to matter. people don't want politicians. marco rubio has proven he's a politician. he lied to the voters of florida when it came to amnesty and they are not going to forget that. >> matt? >> where to begin? i'll just go with the endorsement thing again. you know, i do agree that endorsements oftentimes are much to do about nothing but i do think it's important for rubio. i think he has a path. i think that path involves winning some conservatives but also owning the quote/unquote, for lack of a better word, establishment laying. and, look, let's go to south carolina. not just trey gowdy.
what if nikki haley of the state comes out and endorses rubio in the 11th hour? i think those things might matter in these early states. >> thank you both. appreciate it. see you both soon. >> thank you. next, leader of isis speaking out for the first time in seven months warning of attacks. we have a special report on that. and a 12-year-old black boy shot by a white police officer in just two seconds. the prosecutor today saying the officer's actions were justified. he has the video to prove it and you'll see it. we live in a pick and choose world.
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tonight, the leader of isis speaking out in a new audio recording. abu bakr al baghdadi rallying supporters in a 24-minute message. this is the first time that he left a message in seven months which led some to believe he was incapacitated. >> reporter: a new audio recording seemingly to boost fighters' morale with the world united against them. al baghdadi says the coalition against isis does not dare send ground troops to fight isis. he threatens israel. >> this message is intended to reassure them that he is still there, he's still the leader that isis is still in business.
>> reporter: including armed assaults in paris and san bernardino. and the downing of a russian passenger jet over the sinai. >> he doesn't really make any references to the current condition of the so-called islamic state, either in syria or in iraq. >> reporter: the message comes amid a rough week for isis on the battlefield. as iraqi ground forces backed by coalition air strikes reclaim much of the western iraqi city of ramadi from isis fighters who have held it since may. iraqi security forces claiming victory on sunday after taking full control of the key central government compound. u.s. military officials, however, are more cautious. >> inside the city center remain some neighborhoods that have not yet been cleared. there's a threat for mine fields and booby-trapped houses. >> reporter: with the gains in
ramadi, the prime minister said today that mosul will be next but when you speak to u.s. officials and former commanders, they say there's a lot of isis-controlled territory between iraqi forces and iraq's second largest city. it's much further from the strong hold of baghdad and it's five times the size of ramadi, a much bigger task. no officials i've spoken to have a timeline for forces taking back mosul. >> thank you very much, jim sciutto. experts have been looking at this tape, this 24-minute tape that we have. the first time we've heard from him since may. so now silent for seven months and now this. what does it say that he's well enough to record this and it's audio, not video? >> well, there are a couple things, erin. we're not absolutely certain he was wounded. those are rumors coming out of raqqah that can't be trusted.
we hear these over and over again, that bin laden had died and the rest of it. i just don't think that you can trust them. i think what is more interesting is he's appealing to the followers because things are not going well. i mean, this is a movement and expected more grounds swell of believers coming to their side, whether in saudi arabia or even the united states or europe and he's trying to remind the followers that the message and isis is moving. >> at almost any time since 9/11, they say that the country is at risk of attack.
are they right or not? >> i think they are right. i think isis is most dangerous when it's under attack when it's failing and the true believers, wrongly, of course, think that if they commit violence in this country, it will help the cause. most certainly we're going to be attacked again. it will probaby be a smaller attack, like san bernardino, but i think we brace ourselves for it. >> bob baer, thank you. "outfront" next, a grand jury saying the white police officer who killed tamir rice is innocent. jeanne moos with a huge new coloring book for winners. donald trump in color.
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