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batches put on the internet. this release over 8,000 pages is the largest to date. thanks for joining me. i'm deborah feyerick, wishing all of you a very happy new year and a great 2016. hello, everyone. happy new year. breaking news, at least if you're in manila, hong korngs taiwan. look at this. it is, in fact, 2016 there already. unless you're in manila, where there appears to be a little bit of a delay. the fireworks taking place on the other side of the world. ringing in the new year. which is your favorite? tweet me. that's taipei right there. beautiful fireworks taking place. ♪
>> really is a stunning sight to see. 2016 around the world. this is hong kong, quite a display there in the bay. ♪ >> check out manila right now. a nice display of manila. i like taipei and hong kong a little more, that's just if i'm being honest. i'm sure they have big plans in the coming minutes in manila. you can see the stage is set. again, 2016 on the other side of the world. here in the united states, about 13 hours to do something you'll regret in 2015, but everyone
here planning for the new year. at this hour, we're also watching pope francis at the vatican. he is holding a new year's eve v vesper service. live pictures from st. peter's square. tomorrow morning the pope will hold a special mass to ring in the new year. beautiful sights to see all around the world. some public celebrations, though, have been canceled on this holiday. the mayor of brussels in belgium called off fireworks there. two men were arrested for allegedly plotting a new year's eve attack. belgium also arrested a tenth person suspected in the terrorist attacks back in november. new we have news. security very much on the minds right now of officials all around the world. here in new york city, they're making final preparations for tonight's festivities in times
square. at least 1 million people are expected there. national security agencies are investigating what they are calling an unstash shubstantiat threat from overseas. miguel marquez is live in times square. is it starting to fill up with people anticipating the events of tonight? >> reporter: it is starting to fill up. who figured in new york city it would start to fill up so quickly. there were already people waiting out here very, very early. police will lock down this area soon. i can give you an idea of what's happening here. you can see pens in front of me. people will pile in front of pens. you can see some of the 6,000 police officers who will be protecting times square already here at the moment if you want to come into here, it will be the crosswoedz roads of the world, the most secure streets in the world. the two avenues alongside will be blocked off. you'll have to go through
magnatometers there. and then again. once you're in there, no leaving. if you leave, you're gone. have you to go back through all the security apparatus. the thing about this, no toilets, no rest rooms in any of this. you're there for the six, eight, ten hours. bring a very strong bladder if you come down to times square. police say they'll have this area locked down from the air, the water, from the land, from the underground, from the subways as well. 6,000 police officers here. tens of thousands of police officers across the city to protect venues, celebrations, parties of all sorts because of what happened in paris. the attacks there, the attacks in san bernardino, those soft targets, what used to be just a celebration is now a potential soft target. a new world order of security for officials planning for this event, which is always tight security. this year tighter than ever. they say they are ready for it. lots of bomb-sniffing dogs,
radiation detectors, chemical detectors and lots and lots of cameras to protect new york city. >> miguel marquez for us in times square. happy new year to you, miguel. a reminder that cnn's live new year's eve coverage begins at 8:00 p.m. eastern. with anderson cooper and kathy griffin. follow us on twitter usin using #cnnnye. we have breaking news for you this morning. word that president obama is on the verge of announcing executive action on gun control. he's expected to enact measures that would, in effect, expand background checks on gun sales. our senior white house correspondent jim acosta traveling with the president in hawaii. good morning or late evening or whatever it is there in hawaii. jim, some news from the white house. >> reporter: that's right, john. president obama is expected to announce in the coming days a
new executive action aimed at expanding background checks on gun sales according to people who are familiar with white house planning. now, this is described as imminent. these executive actions would fulfill a promise by the president to take unilateral steps. the white house says could curb gun deaths in the wake of these mass shootings we've seen across the country over the last year. the president has said over the last several months he wanted to political size those mass shootings. he said that with some controversy. and the cullpy nation of that is this executive action or package of executive actions we're expecting to see next week. planning for this action is not yet complete and the people we're talking to or familiar with this process warn this could get delayed. but they are expecting in terms of gun control advocates, people who are familiar with this process, that all of this will be unveiled next week, ahead of president obama's state of the union address, scheduled on january 12th. the white house would not comment on the exact timing or the content of these executive
orders. white house spokesman eric schultz here in honolulu with the president, said the president is expected to really target in on a recommendation of unilateral actions that would come at the beginning of this coming year. so really that's within the next week. he said that the president was expressing an urgency, in his words, for a list of steps that would be taken after these high profile mass shootings across the united states. gun advocates have been saying for the last weeks the focus in all of this, the big-ticket item in all of this is the so-called gun show loophole which allows certain sellers at gun shows and other places to avoid conducting background checks before making sales. in the past, the white house has asked congress to tighten those background checks in that area. and so for the president to come forward and do this unilaterally is going to cause a lot of controversy. people on the side of gun rights
supporters. people like the nra are going after the house white house saying the president is doing unilaterally with something he should do through the congress. >> expected to happen as soon as next week. jim acosta in honolulu. thank you. happening right now, historic flooding in missouri. rivers have overflowed their banks. they're at levels never seen before. the governor of that state has declared a state of emergency, activating the national guard. thousands of people being activated. martin savidge is live for us from arnold, month moshgs where the meramec and mississippi rivers meet. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. arnold is not under a mandatory evacuation. it's still voluntary but many people have moved on because the
meramec river is flowing through the streets of arnltold. this is just one section of the meramec. it's done a lot more than creep into somebody's yard. it's devastated homes and basements. it's continuing to rise and move in here. one of the things about this particular flood was that it was sudden. usually spring floods, you get days of warning, sometimes weeks of warning. residents say this happened in a matter of hours. they've never seen anything like it. they've been through floods. the great flood of 1993 is usually the barometer people tell you about. they never had water like this. never came here. as i say, it is still coming. the other problem is creating, if not directly by getting into people's homes and neighborhoods, it is causing havoc on the roadways. you have major arteries that are being shut down either because of the threat of water or the water is simply overrun. the roadways, that includes i-55, i-44. many of the side roads people
would have used have suffered the same kind of fate. so, just getting around is extremely difficult. gps is almost pointless because it runs you smack dab into water again. 14 people have lost their lives. many due to driving into standing water at night. it is hard to see and often the power has been shut off in those areas. you can imagine just the havoc this is creating. on top of that, the cold, they're expecting snow flurries tonight. it's not going dob a joyful new year's eve for people who live in neighborhoods like this. >> no. dangerous, historic and not over yet. martin savidge in the middle of thank you. g in missouri. developing this morning, tonya couch, the mother of the so-called affluenza teen is back in the united states to face charges that could send her to prison for up to ten years. she arrived in los angeles overnight, in handcuffs. but her son, ethan, he is still in mexico fighting deportation. there you can see tonya couch right there. you just missed her.
she walked in with those people. they escorted her in. she was in handcuffs. tonya couch, the mother, arrived in los angeles overnight. her son, ethan couch, is in mexico. officials say it could be weeks or even months before he is returned. cnn legal analyst mark o'mara joins us. a criminal defense attorney. thank you for being with us. i think the question a lot of people have, i know i have, is why bother? if you're this kid, why fight extradition? it's not going to end well for him, is it? >> again, the lawyers don't make moralistic judgment about what should happen. they look at the possibilities and decide how to handle it. i think what happened is his defense seem said, let's put a hold on this. we can file a writ of habeas corpus there and basically that just puts everything on hold. tactical tactically, if they intend to delay this as long as possible, what they could be thinking is,
we'll keep him in mexico for the 120 days or so. that is the most he can get here. he gets credit for the time he's in mexico when he gets here. we could walk him in here on the 121st day to no more jail. tactically that could be a decision. now, they need to be careful because he's going to walk back into the states getting placed on, most likely, adult probation, with a probation officer who is going to watch him like a hawk with a country who is frustrated with him. maybe the decision of delaying 120 days to sort of skirt the authority of the states to have some control of him is not the best way to handle this. >> i wasn't talking about it being a moral decision. i couldn't understand tactically why stay? mexico. you're in jail in mexico for 120 days or in jail in the united states for 120 days. it seems they chose mexico with the only effect of ticking off authorities in the united states even more. >> they may think they'd rather
have him there if he's in a decent facility or there's a chance, this will really frustrate people, there's a chance he's entitled to a bond in mexico while the decision of extradition is being considered. technically they can get bond for him in mexico, he could be be free in mexico while the extradition is happening, then come back here. again, there's a lot under the surface we don't know yet in the minds of the defense team but there's a lot at play. >> you are a defense attorney, and a famous one at that. you defended a lot of people. folks know about here. nevertheless, this case infuriates you. why? >> the problem with it -- what really frustrates me is there are legitimate, unique defenses out there. there is what is called mitigation. when i go to a judge and say, judge, please consider this about my client, please consider that, mental health, bad childhood, abusive childhood, not all of those are just pure
excuses. sometimes they make a good mitigation defense. but something like this, this affluenza idiocy is presented and somehow convinces a judge that four people's deaths and two people's severe injuries is not enough to have any type of punishment, then judges in the future will look back and say, i'm not going anywhere near this. mr. o'mara, i'm not going to believe your otherwise potential legitimate mitigation defense because i remember that affluenza idiot -- i'm sorry, that affluenza defendant who then violated his probation and i'm not going to be that judge again. so, my frustration as a criminal defense attorney is there are legitimate bases for treating someone more fairly than the guidelines suggest. this type of an extreme, you know, sometimes washes away what is legitimate. >> mark o'mara, i think, speaking your true feelings, perhaps. thanks for being with us and happy new year. >> the same to you.
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this morning for the first time since those charges were filed, we heard from cosby's attorney. >> that's an admission that he makes about offering quaaludes to two specific individuals in the 1970s. ten years go qucue lewds weren'g made. i'm sure this hungry da trying to make a campaign process can't make sure cue lewquaaludes that, 40 years ago. >> gentlemen, we heard a specific part of the case. the suggestion that bill cosby drugged andrea constant. he spoke about quaaludes in a deposition before. bill cosby says it was benadryl he gave this woman. we showed video of all the women
that have made ook yaccusations against bill cosby for sexual n misconduct. >> we'll know about how this case is going by evidentiary rulings before there is even a trial, day one. part of the reason for that is a lot of that will be determining what evidence comes in from other accusers. how much of that deposition testimony, which has been relied on by the new district attorney in pennsylvania, how much of that comes in. and all of these things will dictate strategy for the prosecution and defense. and so i think a large part of how this entire trial, if there is a trial, shapes out will be determined with all of those evidentiary hearings and motions and rulings before anyone steps in court. >> it's only from that deposition, paul, we know bill cosby says he gave her some pills to take.
it is only because of that deposition from a civil trial ten years ago that we know that bill cosby does say that there was some sexual contact. without that deposition being admissible, the case would be a whole lot more difficult. >> it would still be a case, but you're absolutely right. that's why the first d.a. who investigated it didn't go forward with it. i think it functions on two levels. one, it's sort of the broad, global view. you say, 50 women say he did this to them. all right. in a very similar way. then you look at this individual case and you say, god, she must be telling the truth. now let's fast forward and try this case individually miss constant didn't report this for one year after she said it happened. monique presley, his unique, very aggressive defense lawyer says, you know something, quaaludes were taken off the market by the fda in 1985. this is 2004.
so it would seem to corroborate his story that maybe it was benadryl or something minor. if you start tearing this case apart on its individual facts, a good defense lawyer might be able to create reasonable doubt with a jury in this particular case. i think that's how it functions. if all those other cases come in, if a judge says it's a pattern of conduct, i'm going to admit it, he's cooked. other judges might say, that's heavily prejudicial, we have to judge it just on this case. >> as of right now with respect to bill cosby and this case, it's essentially he said versus she said. there's not any physical evidence, any toxicology reports to show what was in her system and what wasn't. it's his word against hers. if you start having those other outside accusers come in, then it becomes a matter of he said
versus she said versus she said, so forth. >> there's a high bar to let that type of testimony in. again, remind us why that high bar in this case is possible it could be met. >> the rule in criminal cases generally is that prior bad acts -- prior convictions, even, of a criminal defendant are inadmissible unless the defendant takes the stand. then you can impeach him with this. there's one exception to the rule, and that is if there's a pattern of misconduct, a signature pattern. if you had a serial killer who always puts an "x" on the body of his victim and you were trying to prove that he killed a particular victim. well, the fact that he had done it in other cases would be relevant. he'll say the prosecutors, he always drugs them. he uses these blue pills and then gives them alcohol and then sexually abuses them. that's how they'll try to get it in. it's a close question whether it gets in on this fact pattern. i wanted to add one other thing, because i think thifsing about it last night.
how is he going to survive financially given what he's facing? he's got seven lawsuits he's paying for against his victims, right, that were filed in the recent past? he's got 50 women, muany of whih have filed civil suits against him. gloria allred has seven or eight potential cases. lawsuits are extremely expensive. the huctixtables aren't running tv, he's not getting royalties. i bet this is going to crush him. >> there are resources there. we shall see. thanks for being here. happy new year to both of you. 24 minutes after the hour. donald trump says this campaign is a war against his enemies. what he's promising to do starting tomorrow before the first votes of the year. we will tell you. plus, more on our breaking news. president obama getting ready to take executive action on guns. we'll have the details ahead. sure, tv has evolved over the years.
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lot of money for a barrage of television ads. want to bring in cnn political commentator, also a political strategist, and ceo of american's united for life, also senior adviser for mike huckabees 2008 presidential campaign. welcome. happy new year to both of you. i figure since so many of us were so wrong about 2015 that this would be a great time to make predictions about 2016. bob, let me start with you. starting with dlt trump right now, talking about the clintons, you know, every ten minutes that he can, how long will he take this? how far will he push this into the new year? all the way to iowa? >> first of all, my guess is landscape is dead with bodies. it's a typical thing to take on your front-runner who you think your opponent will be in the other party. that's clearly hillary clinton, in his mind anyway. he'll carry it out for a while.
he's getting traction with his base. the problem he's got, i was just in iowa, and i could find lots of cruz supporters but i couldn't find donald trump organizers. people for him. >> charmaine, we learned jeb bush is canceling ads in iowa and south carolina and applying ground forces. sending people from his miami headquarters, sending them to the key early states. my question to you over the next months, make a prediction, will that make a difference? >> it's interesting we started with the war analogy because the question is whether or not all this real intensity or heat we're seeing on the gop side turns into mutually assured destruction. jeb bush is hanging on by a thread. it's smart to focus on the ground game. in politics there are some immutable laws that never
change. you have your air war and ground game. right now it's clear that trump is winning the air war. jeb bush and, frankly, others in the field have to focus on whether or not they can actually get people to vote. that's what's going to matter at the end of the day. we still have five more weeks to see how this air war and ground out.interaction ends up turning donald trump knowing throwing red meat at his people, saying i'm ready to go to war for you, is what resonates with them. that kind of passion is what gets people to turn out. so, there's this tension here where people are saying, he won't get people to turn out but i'm not entirely certain that's true. >> one thing about that, in iowa it's probably more true than new hampshire where the polls are open for 12 hours. first of all, i'm going to make a prediction for you. there will be an upset in new hampshire. new hampshire always throws a wrench in it. i suspect cruz will win iowa. you can tell trump thinks he's
coming in second because he's playing the expectation game about coming in second. he needs to win in ham. he probably will but somebody in that tier is going to surprise us. there will be three people surviving in iowa and three or four surviving in new hampshire. >> bold prediction. a bold prediction from bob. i want to go way inside baseball. one of the things we've seen over the last few days is chris christie going back to iowa. there's this sort of under the radar establishment battle, if you will, between chris christie, jeb bush, marco rubio and john kasich, if you want to include him. it may be just because of what bob's talking about. they want one of those tickets out of iowa so that they can do with in new hampshire. maybe chris christie wants to have a better than expected performance there. is that possible? >> anything's possible. it comes down to this opportunity to be under the radar, particularly in iowa when
you're talking about caucusing and having real human interaction, people trading behind the scenes and saying, give me this vote here and really, that's what makes iowa so unique. a lot of people don't necessarily tune into the fact that iowa is a very different kind of voting place than, say, new hampshire where the rules are much more strict and you're just voting one-on-one. instead of negotiating among people. >> independents can vote in new hampshire and democrats can cross over and vote in the primary, which may well happen. iowa's support is blue-color support. they don't usually vote in the caucus. christie, that's a very good point, john, they need to score there. if they come in in 2% or 3%, i ran a presidential campaign in iowa, we won 50% of the iowa caucus goes. gary hart came in with 15 and won in ham. >> expectations outperforming.
expectation matters even more. >> absolutely. >> great to have you with us. we'll have you back in 2016 to see how many predictions came true. >> happy new year. we do have some breaking news involving the affluenza fugitives. the mother who is back in the united states, she was just officially charged. we'll have details next. you premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. yeah...
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breaking news. cnn just learning that the mother of the so-called affluenza teenager, ethan couch, ton tonya couch, is her name. she came back to the united states overnight. she arrived in los angeles. she's in the custody of the los angeles police department. you can see pictures of them arriving. she's held on $1 million bond. joined by cnn legal analyst paul
cowen. hindering the apprehension. >> she's been charged in the united states. he's still in mexico. we know from his case, he was convicted as a juvenile a few years ago in the united states. he violated probation as a juvenile. the punishment he can get here is actually pretty light. the most he can face is 120 days. she could be the one who gets punished the most for the shenanigans. >> that's the iron any. she comes back after having helped him flee to mexico and she's facing the serious jail time in the case. what colossal bad judgment. here he is, he gets a slap on the wrist for killing four human beings. he's on probation. she helps him, allegedly, to leave the country and sets off this whole inferno and he remains behind in mexico. she must have been involved in that decision. she's the mother. she's got the money.
why did they leave him behind in mexico to fight extradition? >> she'll have a hard case to prove she wasn't involved in that as well. more breaking news. we're getting word an american has been charged with plotting a new year's attack against civilians. new details just coming in on that next. when heartburn hits fight back fast tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue and neutralizes stomach acid at the source tum, tum, tum, tum smoothies! only from tums
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break news just into cnn. a new york man has been charged with planning to attack a restaurant in rochester. this is a new year's eve attack. we're just learning about right now. our evan perez is here with details. what do we know? >> this case illustrates the reach of isis and also the big concern that people in law enforcement have on this new year's eve. even in places you might not expect. this is in rochester, new york. he's 25 yees old and he was in touch with an isis member overseas who was directing him to carry out this attack. it allegedly involved attacking a bar and restaurant on new year's eve, tonight, with bombs and knives, perhaps kidnapping somebody with his get away. this is a man with mental health and criminal history in new york. he's served five years for robbery. this plot was really being
concocted with an fbi informant who's been working undercover. got paid $19,000 over the past years to cooperate with the fbi. that's part of this investigation as well. i'll read you one little part from the fbi criminal complaint in which he is recorded -- lachemann is recorded saying to this informant,ly take a life. i don't have a problem with that. according to the fbi, he reporteded a video yesterday on his cell phone swearing allegiance to isis before he was due to carry out this attack. >> this is obviously something they've had their eyes on for a long time. this arrest we're just learning about right now. a man who wanted to do some kind of terror attack on new year's eve. interesting information. of course, with the concerns going on right now about security. evan perez, thank you so much. security is heightened all over the country this new year's eve, especially at places where there are a lot of people gathering, including the college football playoffs, the bowl games. that's a picture of the cotton bowl right now. fans there and at the orange bowl tonight, they can expect to
see a greater police presence. security certainly will be ramped up. cnn's andy scholes is live in arlington, texas, where alabama and michigan state play tonight. hey, andy. >> reporter: in light of the new terror warnings in l.a., new york, and washington, d.c., officials are planning to beef up security for these big college football games over the next 48 hours. in arlington, texas, ever since the paris attacks, they've increased many security measures at at&t stadium. they now have vapor-sniffing dogs that walk around the crowds with s.w.a.t. officers. they added more law enforcement, which includes undercover officers that walk around looking for suspicious activity. at the rose bowl activities tomorrow in pasadena, california, more than two dozen federal agencies are joining forces with police to increase security there. at the big rose bowl parade, extra security, bomb-sniffing dogs and radiation detection
devices. we're here at the cot top bowl, the coaching match-up, nick say ban taking on mark dantonio. say ban once coached for michigan state from 1995 to 1999. he hired dantonio as defensive backs coach. dantonio has turned michigan state into a national power prp these two coaches have the utmost admiration for one another. >> he's obviously blossomed into a fantastic job in terms of what he's done at michigan state right now. and i think the world should recognize what a great job he's done. >> coach say bbe saben has had success and frankly, a lot of what i do is patterned from what
i learned from him. >> reporter: nick saban has a big coaching tree and he's faced many assistants. in all of those games, including one against dantonio, saban is 8-0. the teacher always beats the pupil. we'll have to see at cotton bowl, alabama/michigan state, 8:00 kickoff. >> i love the college football playoffs. andy scholes, happy new year to you. >> reporter: you, too. new this morning, president obama is no george costanza but maybe. the president appeared with jerry seinfeld in "comedians with cars getting coffee." >> we're going to run out for a quick coffee. we'll be right back. >> it's not possible. >> i do this little show. >> you're a comedian with the president going nowhere. back it up. >> yes, sir.
>> don't you think every american child is a president fan? you grow up loving the president. >> i do really well with the zero to 8 demographic. >> oh, really? >> yeah. they love me. partly because my ears are big and i look a little like a cartoon character. this is called a beast. it's a caddie basically on a tank frame. >> oh, my god. >> yeah, see. so, i could pull a nuclear submarine. >> i don't have that. it's a cool feature. plus seat warmers. between the nuclear submarine thing and -- >> that's standard. that's standard everywhere now, yeah. this i like. i'm going to get that. >> you can't have that. >> how many world leaders do you think are just completely out of their mind? >> pretty sizeable percent.
>> some of these people, you must meet them, you can chat them and you see them in the eyes, you look them in the eyes and you go, oh, this guy's gone. >> well, and part of what happens is these guys, i think the longer they stay in office, the more likely that is to happen. >> you talked to the guy to let us out. just say, i'm the president and they have good coffee. >> hey, darrell, can you open this up? >> sorry. i can't allow it. >> that's unbelievable. golly. i knew that wouldn't work. >> you didn't sell it. >> didn't sell it. lights bring in chris witherspoon, entertainment editor for thegrio.com. i think the advantages of being a lame duck president. you lose some of your authority, people don't listen to you
anymore. >> it's brilliant and i think obama throughout his terms or his years in office, he's really gravitated to what's going to hit on social media. he's been strategic, which shows, which comedians. like ellen. this is another moment. for seinfeld, this show's been on for seven seasons. this is the first time we're really talking about this show in a big way. we're on cnn talking about it. it's kind of, you know, for getting to be able to see inside the white house and getting to see president obama driving. i've never seen him drive ever. ever. >> doesn't get any better than being on this show here, clearly. i haven't seen president obama drive ever. he probably doesn't get to do it very much at all. to me, it looked like he was doing this just because he wanted to do it and have a good time. he doesn't get anything politically out of this. >> he seemed so natural. his guard is down. to me, that's what made obama so electable. he's like a friend. i think anybody who wants to run for president, clinton, trump,
they might want to pick up some clues from him and begin to engage on shows like this. and that's going to be the folks -- or those folks are the folks who should be voting, you know. >> like he said some world leaders are out of his mind, i don't think he was kidding. that's pretty interesting. chris witherspoon, thank you for being with us, appreciate it. steve jobs, a hero to so many but a villain to some. a new cnn film shows the messy side of his life. both at work and at home. very first publicist joins us next. hey know it alls, you're welcome. now that t-mobile has double the lte coverage you can prove you're right to more people in more places. faulty fuel injector you showed him huh, still alive. told you nailed it! you're wrong, it's that way. ha, ha, ha t-mobile's new extended range lte reaches twice as far, and is 4 times better in buildings. now you can know it all, from almost anywhere.
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this sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern, cnn's going to air steve jobs, the man in the machine. this is a pretty controversial documentary from cnn films, about jobs and his visionary influence on modern culture. that vision took hold to an extent in the mid-80s with the revolutionary rollout of the macintosh personal computer. >> one of the things steve thought was important was this is where all the signatures are. there are all the people, the original group, that actually signed the machine. there's steve jobs right in the middle. my name is over here. >> why did you do that? >> because the people that worked on it consider themselves and i certainly consider themselves artists. these are the people that under
different circumstances would be painters and poets but because of that time that we lived in, this new medium has appeared in which to express ones self to one's fellow species and that's a medium of computing. >> andrea cunningham is a marketing guru who helped jobs bring the macintosh into the world in 1984. andy, thank you so much for being with us. this documentary, this film, is fascinating because it talks about the innovation, everything that he brought to our culture. but it also talks about what a lot of people say is another side of steve jobs, a tough side, a not so nice side. do you think there are those complicated sides to steve jobs? >> hey, thanks for having me. yes, of course. many complicated sides to steve jobs. he was very challenging and very difficult. but his brilliance and his vision for changing the world i think overtook anything that could possibly be seen as negative. now, a lot of people have trouble working with him, but if
you could do it, then you could change the world with him. that was incredibly gratifying. >> you were with him for a long time. you saw him develop over many years. did he change his outlook? did he change his approach? >> yes, i think he did. i think those of us who worked with him in the 80s, i think he was more difficult, less mature. by the time the '90s and 2000s rolled around, he turned into a more mature person. i don't know if he was easier to work with, but he was more mature and a much more experienced ceo. >> it's interesting, i was reading a story, you know, toward the end of his life we saw steve jobs, very public figure. we heard him on the apple stage twice a year rolling out big products. i don't think he was afraid of any camera. yet, when you were rolling out the macintosh, i think it was, you were running the pr. you wouldn't let him go on david letterman essentially because you didn't think he could handle david letterman. >> yes, that was back in the day when david letterman wasn't as nice as he turned out to be
later. but yes, i don't think steve was ready for dealing with david letterman. i think david letterman might have really given him a difficult time and i didn't want him to be in that position. and he doesn't like cameras. he never liked cameras. >> what could have gone wrong though? i'm just curious. because, again, i think the idea of steve jobs hiding or needing to be kept under wraps is something that doesn't seem like the steve jobs we came to know. what were you nervous about? >> well, it's -- it's that david letterman had a very biting tongue, if you remember, back in the day. and i felt he would have used that with steve. and that would have created some anger on the steve jobs side and a little battle may have ensued and i didn't think that was a good plan for steve's image. he had no problem with us turning that down at all. so that was the right thing to do. >> the big brother ad from 1984 is one so many people remember. you know, the macintosh that you
were unveiling, it didn't turn out in some ways to be the macintosh that we all came to use, did it? >> no, it was actually a failure in the first year or so. it was a failure. and if it weren't for the apple 2 and the rest of apple, the company may have gone out of business. so i think we have everybody at apple to thank for the ultimate success of the mac. but steve made the changes that were required to make to make it a marketable product. there was a lot of buzz about it, so it was able to catch on some time after it was launched. yes, you're right, it was not a success immediately. >> at first, the computer for the rest of us, meaning the common man, but it turned into a computer for the best of us, sort of an elite advice people used at home. andy cunningham, thank you so much for sharing with us today. >> thanks a lot, thanks for having me. >> you do not want to miss alex sydney's look at the real story of steve jobs, steve jobs, the
man and the machine. sunday night, 9:00 p.m. eastern, right here on cnn. cnn's new year's coverage begins with anderson cooper and kathy griffin, 8:00 p.m., be here for that. thanks for joining us "at this hour." "legal view" starts right now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to "legal view." we're beginning with some breaking news. here in the united states, a man in upstate new york is now charged with trying to help terrorists overseas and planning to kill people today, new year's eve, in the name of isis. evan perez, cnn justice reporter, with us now. evan, tell us who this man is and what he's charged with. >> his name is emmanuel latchman, he's 25 years old, a muslim convert, living in rochester, and his plan, according to the fbi, was to