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weenchts starting with breaking news of a possible terror attack in israel. we are following a man hadn't for a man that fired into a pub. two people were killed. middle of the afternoon in the shooting. it is 9:00 p.m. there now, night has long since fall earn. the killer is still on the loose. this is a glimpse of the shooter standing in a market. he fires video showing a glimps the shooter from another perspective here from inside of a cafe where you can see this happening from another angle. joining me now to talk more about this is cnn's ian lee. he's covering this from jerusalem. ian, we only saw these glimpses of the shooting, but what are witnesses saying about this attack? >> well, witnesses are telling
us that it happened very quick ly. that a lot of them heard it and really didn't see it take place. but two people who talked to israel radio describe this man as being all dressed in black. you see he leaves that bag behind. we're also hearing a clip behind from that gun. this is all crucial pieces of evidence going forward. he said they still don't know if this is criminal or a terrorist attack. but we have seen those.
they're telling residents to go about their daily lives, be more precautious. the police are saying they didn't have intelligence leading up to this. a big manhunt under way. there's also been a frightening incident at a mosque in france. a driver tried to run over soldiers guarding the mosque. they opened fire after he rammed into them twice. the driver and a number of soldiers were injured. all of this happening as two busy train stations in munich reopened after a terror threat closed them new year's eve. senior international correspondent frederick pliek ennis covering this from london. give us the latest. >> reporter: the incident in france, the soldiers were part of a special operation they launched after the paris attacks
recently. they put extra security in front of religious places. you have them in front of synagogues, churches, mosques as well. from what we gather, the soldiers were waiting in front of the building. the man was then ordered to stop his car as he approached them. he didn't do that. ran into the group the first time, then reversed, tried to ram them again, that's when they opened fire. there was a scene later where the carve the man was stopped on the side of the road, a red station wagon. he is lightly wounded in the leg and arm. anywhere between 1 and 4 soldiers were hurt in that incident as well. it is interesting, the french authorities say it seems to be an isolated incident but haven't been able to question the man yet. >> isolated. they think it is a lone wolf attack? >> it is a big question at this moment. certainly at this point the french authorities aren't willing to speculate. they don't know, they haven't
been able to speak to the man. when they say isolated incident, doesn't appear it was part of a wider plot, still is very much unclear what exactly this man's motives with were. is this someone that wanted some sort of political statement or something as part of this? it is unclear at this point in time. certainly shows how on edge security services are after the paris attacks. in europe in general as they deal with the terror threaten gulfing almost the entire continent. >> update us in germany, the train stations are open, is there concern there could be a terror attack the coming days? >> reporter: they say they have no information that an attack could be imminent, the threat level in munich stays high. i have been covering germany a long time. it is a long time since i read a press release by the police that i read last night with that sense of urgency, they were
saying they believe an attack could be imminent, had a time it was supposed to take place, right at midnight. they were looking for 5 to 7 people that wanted to conduct terror attacks at the main munich railway station or another commuter station west of munich. right now the police are searching four individuals of iraqi and syrian descent. they even got names of some of the individuals but they're not sure if these are phony or real. they say at this point the manhunt is under way, they're trying to find out whether or not the plot is real. >> a lot of information to follow up on. thank you so much. i want to go back to the story out of tel aviv. one woman, a producer at huffington post was on vacation, near the pub that it happened if she hurt gunshots, something incredible after the shots rang out. >> i was in the store, about five stores up north of where
the shooting occurred, heard multiple rounds of gunshots, then people pulled over cars, something i had never seen before, usually in the united states, but leapt out of cars, one with a handgun to pursue the individual that did this. it was a lot of israelis and people in tel aviv running toward the scene as others got away from it. it was a confusing scene when it happened. >> there's so much to talk about here. i want to bring in karen greenburg, director at the center on national security at fordham university law school. thank you for being with us. you say and i think it feels this way for so many people that terrorism has changed. >> i don't know if it has changed. it's evolved to a point where what's changed is how the public and police seem to addres it. so you've seen a host of threats, some of which we don't know about, some were made public, across the globe.
what you're really seeing is a measure of control by authorities, both of fear, of public sentiment, ability to handle these things. the one place there seems to have been this attack which was israel, sort of the heart of how much terrorism language and sentiment, particularly in the days of al qaeda about sent mitch of terrorism. >> there were restaurant attacked in paris, there's a shooting in broad daylight in israel, obviously the cause they're looking for at this point. they're concerned it could be terrorism. does this sound to you like perhaps a new wave of soft target attacks or lone wolf attacks? >> you know, you never know. what is new, the lone wolf that you raised in prior interview,
is this a lone wolf or organized attack? it can be planned, a lone wolf. therefore the distinctions between crime and terrorism get minimized. is this an individual that may have sentiment, or is this organized. does it matter in the long run? we are seeing the con volume ugs of two things that are harder to separate out and pose new challenges for law enforcement. >> we have seen different cities respond to different threats, even recently as l.a. versus new york, whether they shut down schools or not for it. in germany, authorities shut down two train stations because of a threat that they're trying to figure out if it is real. how should cities be responding to these threats when it is unclear to them whether they're substantiated? >> i think that's an excellent
question. what we have seen in the wake of san bernardino and then closing down of schools in l.a. is that each -- i think each municipality, each state, each country is going to adopt its own response, and it is going to be a response that takes into account public fears, the ability of their law enforcement agencies and intelligence agency to feel like they have control of the situation, and it is going to be different in different places. that's what we need to get used to. that's okay. there was a lot of criticism for l.a. shutting down their school system and that's understandable, but everybody has to do what they're comfortable with. not all cities are like new york or for that matter tel aviv which have been living with terrorist threat for a long time, thinking about it, and have the kind of resources to deploy that other cities may not have. so i think you'll see a variety over time. it is not a cookie cutter solution. and i think that's wise and reflects some kind of judgment. >> l.a., so close to san
bernardino, clearly that factored into some decision making there. karen greenburg, thank you so much. happy new year to you. >> happy new year to you. just ahead, a judge ordering that bill cosby's wife must testify in the defamation case. why their private conversations are not privileged. prosecutors hide information from the defense in the case against baltimore cops. freddie gray may have already had a back injury. and sad news out of hollywood, singer natalie cole has died. some hits and one of her last cnn interviews ahead. ♪ unforgettable in every way ♪
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passed airway. natalie cole died last night in los angeles. she was 65. she suffered from complications from health issues. she followed in footsteps of her father, singer nat king cole. won nine grammys, including best new artist for the 1975 debut album. her voice in one word, unforgettable. ♪ unforgettable in every way ♪ and forever more ♪ and forever more ♪ and i miss you like crazy, i miss you like crazy
♪ no matter what i say or do ♪ this will be the one i waited for, this will be the first time anyone has loved me ♪ ♪ i see reflections going in the air ♪ telling me the way to move ♪ honey it ain't your money, cause i got plenty of that ♪ dreaming! daydreaming and thinking of, daydreaming and i'm thinking of you ♪ >> joining me to talk more about that incredible voice is cnn entertainment analyst chris witherspoon, he is also entertainment editor. you interviewed natalie cole somewhat recently, tell me what she told you about her recent struggles. 65 is too young to lose anyone,
especially someone like natalie cole. >> totally. i interviewed her in 2013. she just had a kidney transplant in 2009. her new album, natalie cole in spanish. the woman with the kidney was from el salvador. she contributed a lot of success to her father. he is an icon, stands in his shadows, recorded a couple of due et cetera with him in the past. it was an amazing, amazing interview. so down to earth. nine time grammy award winner, so down to earth, so human. just you could see or feel her heart. >> that's what a lot of people remember about her. i know her family is devastated by this loss. she did have health issues. and she was open about it, that she struggled with drug abuse. she had hepatitis c she had gotten through using needles
through her drug abuse. why do you think she was so public and candid about her addiction and her health problems? >> i think she used her own health problems as a teaching example for people to kind of get more awareness of what was happening with drug addiction, she was candid about getting hepatitis c from drug use. something that was personal to her, but i think also she realized it was an opportunity for folks to learn and wake up to what was happening, the perils of drug addiction. >> did she talk to you about what some of her favorite times were in this multi decade career or what her favorite parts of that ride were? >> aside from her father, being able to live with him, learn from him, get that influence of music from him, she had a close personal friendship with whitney houston, one of the moments in the interview talking about traveling and being on a tour
with whitney houston, going city to city, spending nights in the hotels laughing and giggling, and she was in touch with what was happening now. she called beyonce the madonna of our generation, had just met adele the day before i interviewed her, she was in touch with what was happenng now, and passionate about putting out more work herself. >> very fascinating. chris, thank you for sharing that with us. chris witherspoon. happy new year to you as well. >> thank you, thank you. >> so natalie cole appeared on "larry king live" several times to talk about struggles with hepatitis c. when doctors said she needed a kidney transplant, she came on his show with a heart felt plea. >> you can go out and sing. >> absolutely. >> you can tour. >> you're opening in detroit, there's a center there, they can hook you up. all dialysis is the same. >> all the facilities are the same. i have a wonderful team of people at my facility in los angeles that i tell them where
i'm going, they make phone calls, make appointments. and it is quite amazing. i have been on dialysis in istanbul, milan, indonesia, manilla, london. it is amazing. >> i am going to give this to you. check with it later, have to ask the question. these are all of the e-mails from dozens, dozens of people offering to be tested to see if they can match, want to give you a kidney. >> that's amazing. >> what do you make of that. >> i don't know. i always felt it was just so strange to solicit to strangers for a kidney. but people are really great. there are some great human beings out there. >> what then kept you going to get on the stage? >> i think that's the only thing i have left, larry, my voice.
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a new year and new voice will finally be heard in the scandal engulfing bill cosby. in five days, his wife of 52 years camille will be deposed by the attorney of seven accusers suing the legend for defamation. this is under a massachusetts judge's order. the lawsuit says cosby called them liars for sex assaults, he counter sued saying the seven hurt his reputation, derailing plans for a comedy show on nbc. he is now out on a million dollars bail. two days ago charged with several counts of in decent assault in montgomery county, pennsylvania. the victim in that is not part of this suit with the seven women. why do they want to speak to camille cosby? here's the man to answer that,
the attorney for the seven women suing cosby. and also with me is cnn's jean casarez who is all over this story and in the courtroom the other day in montgomery county. welcome to you, joseph. thanks for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> what specifically is the knowledge that camille cosby has? i understand it has to do with the fact she's her husband's business manager. >> well, first of all, she's his wife of some 50 some odd years. she's known mr. cosby since she was 19. she has information that's relevant to the issues in this case. for example, his relationships that he's had with other women, sexual proclivity, use of quaalud quaaludes. she's his business manager. mr. cosby maintains that my seven clients gathered
together and in essence conspired to rail his remergence on nbc or netflix. clearly as business manager, she will have information what impact, if any, these women had on his business. so there are many, many topics that are relevant. another one that comes to mind is it has been reported in the press that mrs. cosby is leading a public relations effort to get out in front of the accusations that have been made by my clients against mr. cosby. so we have been permitted to ask her questions. we intend to do so on january 6th in springfield, massachusetts. >> do you expect that her attorney will be able to assert privilege, if you're asking her questions about interactions that she's had with her husband, some of that could definitely be protected, right? is that what you're expecting? >> no, no, and no.
>> why is that? why would you have the ability to do that? >> let me tell you why. because massachusetts law does not recognize a privilege, a protection against obtaining communications between a husband and spouse. what the law does provide is that the testimony that may be given cannot be used at trial. is not admissible or able to be presented to a jury. however, that information may be gathered in a deposition and it may be used and assist in developing other information that could be admitted into a trial. the cosby lawyers did ask the court and raised that claim of privilege with the judge in their attempt to prevent us from taking her deposition. the judge rejected their arguments and said there is no such privilege and that it is
one of competence, meaning the ability to use that testimony only at trial, which does not preclude a deposition, a fact-finding question, answer process before trial. >> jean, tell us how camille cosby talked about the allegations in recent months. >> she really hasn't. several times they have been in public, she has been by his side. they appear to be a very close couple as they're in their senior years now. the knowledge she may or may not have is critical to the plaintiffs, but she would be the silent one as he would talk. i remember the allegation earlier that she was in a sense behind some statements that had come out. the original suit, tamara green, being the primary plaintiff that came forward, she's alleging many things, but two separate things. newsweek magazine in february,
2014, when she spoke out and the response they got from cosby saying she was a liar, then "the washington post" article shortly after that, then cosby saying she was a liar, and the question is who was behind that. and business speaking, it was important one would say to save that business and preclude it having any harm come from the business. what he is saying, i understand, they need to see if the business manager had any part in that. >> how hurtful or maybe would this have no impact on bill cosby's case, what are the possible outcomes here, jean, from the deposition of his wife. >> talking about the criminal case. >> yes. >> in a case, two separate distinct things. with a deposition, you never know what will happen, it is sworn testimony, you never know what will be said. but criminal charges are those against bill cosby and bill cosby alone, and obviously a
decade earlier in regard to one person, andrea con stan, someone he knew in pennsylvania. >> i want to look at something that bill cosby talked about, this is a 1991 here on cnn. let's watch this. >> spanish fly was the thing that all boys from age 11 on up to death, we will still be searching for spanish fly. and what was the old story was, if you took a little drop, it was on the head of a pin. put it in the drink. >> coca-cola, doesn't matter. >> and the girl would drink it, and hello, america. >> so jean, for our viewers, put those comments into context. >> well, spanish fly is eluding to drugs and women and woman
after woman, including andrea constand is alleging she was drugged according to the criminal complaint and she then became the victim of a sexual assault, and he not only said that to larry king, it was also in the comedy routine, part of a record album from the 1970s i believe. obviously one would say state of mind of bill cosby that this was important to him in many respects. >> i interviewed joseph monique presley, bill cosby's lawyer yesterday, she said that proves nothing, the quaaludes from decades ago prove nothing, this is -- she sort of made this case that that was years ago, it is irrelevant. but i assume that you do not see that and that is this some evidence, even comments about spanish fly that you may use in your lawsuit? >> well, first of all, can you expect that monique presley is going to say his comments have any relevance or that it is important or that it is
detrimental to bill cosby? you're talking to his defense lawyer. what is she going to say. anything but that. so that means nothing. that's a zero. in terms of whether or not it is important, of course it is. this is a man that's fixated with this mythical drug that can somehow alter the minds of unsuspecting women so he could have his way with them. that was his routine. and he wrote in a book of his, when he writes and speaks in his comedy routines, he is writing and speaking from real life true experiences that he has had. so the use of quaaludes, which is known to be a controlled substance that has very serious deleterious effect on one's ability to maintain their consciousness was used by bill cosby, and he admitted to using it to one of the seven women i
am representing in east, and se became incapacitated. she maintains she didn't give consent to have sex with bill cosby. bill cosby testified he could not say whether or not she consented. use of this spanish fly, use of drugs, that's all relevant to the issues at hand because many of the women of the seven i represent and the other 40 some odd that have come out have said they have been drugged and then following that have been sexually abused and assaulted. remains to be seen who is telling the truth. >> joseph, thank you for being with us. jean, as well. happy new year to you both. new details are emerging in the case of the affluenza teen cause in new mexico after breaking probation and skipping the country. now learning what he did during his time on the run. defense attorneys for officers in the freddie gray case filed a motion claiming
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the freddie gray case in baltimore reaching a new phase. new questions about gray's health are being raised, ten days before the trial begins for the police officer that drove the van where gray was fatally injured. defense attorneys for officer caesar good son say he complained about back problems weeks before suffering a spinal cord injury. the officer is charged with
secondary deprafd murder. that's him on the right. the defense cites a recently unsealed police document that states gray allegedly mentioned his back pain when he met with baltimore police two weeks before the april arrest. i want to bring in miguel marquez and baltimore defense attorney and cnn contributor andrew alpersteen. talk about the internal police document that describes it? >> it is an interesting tale. this is a document that arose out of gray giving information to the police regarding a robbery after mr. gray, this was on march 31st, 2015, mr. gray was arrested and then injured in that van on april 12th, about two weeks later, died april 19th. the riots or worst of it was on the 27th of april, and then on may 1st, the officer who wrote this internal memo basically said his memory was jogged by all of the conversation about it
in the press about freddie gray, he remembered this detail that gray told him that he had either, quote, a bad back, or quote, had suffered a back injury, but there was no mention of how serious it was, or what it was. prosecutors, basically defense attorneys want all of mr. gray's medical records in the trial. prosecutors say it is not necessary, wasn't serious information and mr. gray died from neck injury, not a back injury, all of this is beside the point. >> is this something that the defense could use that would be relevant, that could be used very effectively? >> potentially. i think what's happened here is that this report came up middle of the first trial, officer porter whose trial completed a couple weeks ago, there was a hung jury. during the course of the trial, issues centered around what the officers knew and when. and the medical information is being used and the science that exists in medicine to show how
somebody's body would react to a certain injury and how quickly their systems would start shutting down was used as the basis for the state's medical information to say this is when the officers would have seen what they saw. remember, this isn't a case about what somebody actually did to him but it is more about the officer's failure to do things, failure to provide medical care, failure to provide a seat belt. with failure to provide medical care, the critical issue is what do the officers know when. as to the driver coming up soon for trial as he was pointing out, the issue when and what they knew becomes critical. if he had a pre-existing injury, that's something the defense is screaming about saying we're entitled to have this. it came out middle of the first trial, so defense couldn't have their medical people look at it in advance. medical people for the defense already formed their opinions. the states' doctors say it has no relevance anyway because as migel said it is the back, not the neck.
we saw what we saw on the autopsy. >> could this help the defense team get access to gray's medical records? interesting the prosecution is saying you don't need those. >> well, the interesting thing is they asked for it before and the judge told them no. next wednesday there will be another hearing about them asking again saying we didn't know this before, so we want to get his prior medical records. they're fishing around to see what they can find. once they find it, then they'll know what to do with it. right now we are in discovery phase, not whether it will be used in trial. >> and to be clear, this memo a police officer wrote, this was done thinking -- this wasn't something that was filed at the time, right? this was filed later? >> it does not appear to be part of the actual investigation. it was after the fact on may 1st, this police officer -- >> after the death. >> after the death, after the rights on an unsolicited basis sent this to different superiors in baltimore police department saying hey, i just remembered
this, here it is. prosecutors came across it, discarded it. defense lawyers want to dig into this. they're using it to get at the medical records. what they'll find is the big question. >> thank you so much to both of you. next, what the affluenza fugitive allegedly did during his time on the run, and how his mother who is back now in the u.s. is defending herself. plus my next guest knows a lot about affluenza, wrote a book on the topic. says it isn't the first time the defense has been used. after a dvt blood clot.mind when i got out of the hospital what about my family? my li'l buddy? and what if this happened again? i was given warfarin in the hospital but i wondered if this was the right treatment for me.
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mexico may be stalling his return to the u.s. claiming human rights violations by mexican authorities. remember ethan's drunk driving case sparked outrage when he was sentenced to probation, not prison, for hitting and killing four people in 2013, injuring several more. a judge deemed him too rich and spoiled to know right from wrong. joining me, john degraph, co-author of the book affluenza, co-producer of the documentary for pbs. john, we are getting new details about their time, the couches' time in new mexico. dallas morning news speaking to an employee at the hideout in mexico. the employee said one night he went to a strip club. the manager followed him to the hotel to have his mom pay for his bar tab. you look at that, you think there's no question that this is a kid with a case of affluenza. >> i think he is an extreme case of affluenza. i think this is also a case of
the golden rule in action, namely that whoever has the gold makes the rules. this kid really got off clearly because of the wealth and influence his family had and connections with the judge and, you know, i certainly don't justify that. i don't think affluenza defense is a decent defense. i used the term more in a sociological way in society. >> this as you say is an extreme case. what are the hallmarks, lack of consequences? >> i think hallmarks are the goal in life to be material, to have as much stuff as possible, you see it in a societal basis, the idea we have to have the grossest domestic product, most money. he who dies with the most toys
wins. the concept that the aim in life is forever more stuff. this is a disease, a sickness. i think it has spread quite a bit through society, and he represents an extreme case of that. he represents the fact that if you have a lot of money in society, you can avoid consequences and maybe even a better example would be the bankers who speculated away all kinds of funds prior to the financial crisis in 2008 using other people's money and yet not a single one of those has gone to jail yet to my knowledge. >> you're right on that. back to the couches. the move by ethan where he is trying to avoid deportation from mexico to the u.s., trying to stay in a mexican jail, what do you think about that? >> well, sometimes heard about mexican jails, maybe it would be nice if he had to spend a little
time there to reflect on what had happened. the real question here is somebody has to be held responsible. if ethan couch has affluenza, no sense of consequences for any of these things because he wasn't brought up to know right or wrong, why were his parents not prosecuted. why didn't somebody do jail time for the horrific crime of essentially murdering four people with >> is this sort of typical? i mean, you have the proprietor of this strip club following ethan couch back to his hotel so mommy can pay for his strip club bar tab, which is -- i mean, that's something else, right? this really close mother-son relationship, is that something that's typical in these cases of affluenza that you've studied? >> i don't know because i haven't thought of it as much in a very psychological sense. i've thought of it more as a social disease, as i mentioned.
but it does seem that this kind of enabling on the part of parents and particularly rich parents, and i don't want to by that suggest that all rich parents treat their kids that way. >> sure. >> i don't think that's the case at all. but in this case it's clear. you can't make this stuff up. this is such an extreme case. >> oh, unfortunately -- oh, bummer. i think we just lost his satellite signal. we were wrapping that up, but fascinating interview there with john degraaf, thank you so much to him for that. next, a political message in the sky. someone hired sky writers to slam donald trump. this is a message actually above the rose bowl parade -- the rose parade. you really have to see this what the message said. we have it next. this is brad.
three, two, one! happy new year! >> that is donald trump and his family ringing in the new year at his massive estate in ritzy palm beach, florida. but the gop front-runner couldn't let 2015 come to an end without a few eleventh hour insults of his rivals. trump held campaign events in hilton head, south carolina. his talking points jeb bush, hillary clinton and non-aerosol hairspray. >> i look at this guy jeb bush. he spent $59 million on his campaign and he's down in the grave. he's nowhere. every time i turn on an ad i see an ad about trump. i mean, it's not that bad of an ad either. you know, you're going to do an ad, do an ad. look, he's a low energy person, let's face it. bothers me when i see a guy spending $60 million on ads
against me a lot of it, right? i say why is he doing this? doesn't he have something better? he should go home. low energy can be applied to hillary. i just don't like to use the same thing twice on one of my enemies, right? because i consider them enemies. we view this as war. don't we view this as war? it's war. last week she's been hitting me really hard with the women card, okay. really hard. and i had to say, okay, that's enough, that's enough. and we did a strong number. she's not going to win. by the way, i love the concept. i love, love, love having a woman president. can't be her. she's horrible. obama doesn't want to hit them too hard because he's afraid he's going to pollute the atmosphere. tis is serious. so he's got a problem with the carbon footprint. you can't use hairspray because hairspray is going to affect the ozone. i'm trying to figure out, let's see, i'm in my room in new york city. and i want to put a little spray
so that i can -- right? right? [ applause ] but here they don't want me to use hairspray. they want me to use the pump, because the other one -- which i really like better than going bing, bing, bing, and then it comes out in big globs and stuck in your hair and say, oh, my god, i have to take a shower again. my hair's all screwed up. said even if you don't win what you've done is incredible. you've totally changed the landscape of politics. i said you don't understand. you don't understand. if i don't win, i will consider this, and i mean this, a total and complete waste of time. >> well, you had to look up to see it. it was a message in the skies above the rose parade in pasadena, california. take a look at this video. the message in the sky reads, quote, america is great, trump is disgusting, anybody but trump. sky writers dashed out the message just as the last float left the gate.
joining me on the phone we have cnn correspondent sara sidner in los angeles. i know you were there at the parade. how many planes did it take to create this message in the sky? and did you get a sense from anyone about how they were responding to it? >> people are going crazy on social media. that is very apparent. if you go on twitter, you can't miss it at this point. a lot of people didn't see it at first because the parade, as you mentioned, was kind of coming to its end. but the parade goes for about two miles. somebody tapped us on the shoulder and said what's going on. and we looked up in the sky and i saw about six planes. and at first they were flying in perfect formation. i thought that maybe it was military planes. i wasn't sure. and all of a sudden we saw it spewing out letters. and i thought what is it going to say. and then the message came. you mentioned the message. we couldn't even get the entire message in a picture because it was so enormous. you can see this message from
about a ten-mile radius. and of course it dissipates. and then they did it a second pass, they did it a second time. so you could see it while driving. you could see it far, far, far away from the parade. it was pretty impressive to a lot of people. a lot of people trying to figure out what it was going to say, and then we got different pieces from different people sending us tweets saying, oh, wait, here's the rest. and then finally you could see the whole message, which was, you know, america is great, trump is disgusting, anybody but trump. we also went online, brianna, trying to figure out where this came from. who is the group behind this. is it one of his rivals or a super pac or who is this? and there is a website that has a lot of the same messages on that website. so we're wondering if there's some correlation but haven't heard back from them. >> so we don't exactly know who's behind this but maybe some clues there. okay. sara sidner, thanks so much for that report. rather odd story. thank you so much.
this is cnn breaking news. it is the top of the hour. i'm brianna keilar. and we are back now with our breaking news of a manhunt after a possible terror attack in israel. two people were killed when a gunman opened fire on diners who sat outside a pub in israel's capital. this happened in broad daylight, but this killer was actually able to get away. he's still on the loose. and we now have some incredible surveillance video that gives us a glimpse of the shooter. standing here next door in what appears to be a market, and then he puts his bag down on the shopping carts and steps out into the open and fires off round after round. the video shows a glimpse of the shooter. there's another video. here's another perspective. right now on the phone is actually the woman who took some of those photos that you just saw of the aftermath of the shooting. megan robertson is a senior producer at "the huffington post." megan, tell us, you were vacationing. tel aviv is a gorgeous place,
very lively city. you were near this pub when you heard the gunshots. walk us through what you saw next. >> right, exactly. thank you, brianna. so a friend and i were about a block and a half away or about half a block away, just finishing up buying a couple things and about to head actually to that area where the shooting happened when we heard the gunshots ring out. we were in a store that was mostly a glass front. we witnessed a lot of people run by the door of the store we were in actually towards the shooting after it happened. we heard clearly like ten or more shots and then more after that. just seeing the surveillance video we've seen on tv being replayed over and over here in israeli media, it's just really, really shocking this happened on the sabbath with cafes being full. a normal shopping day as people are getting ready to go home to their families for dinners. >> exactly, right? and this is a time -- this is a very busy city. this is a time when so many people are out. you say incredibly that people leapt out of their cars. one man with a handgun running
toward the scene. did you get a sense how this that no one was able to follow him? >> you know, i don't know that because i did not witness the gunman. but exactly what you said did happen. i mean, in front of us a car pulled up and a man who appeared to be a civilian, who knows if he was former police officer, had military training, ran towards the scene with a gun that he pulled basically out of the back of his shirt. and, you know, i spoke to a couple witnesses afterwards who saw it, but it seems like everyone basically hid in place as this happened. so i wasn't able to talk to anyone who saw the gunman except for a bartender i spoke to tonight. he was ordering some food quite close by, actually saw the gunman. but he ran in the opposite direction just to be safe. he recalls to me this is something you expect in some certain areas of israel where there are a lot of conflicts, where you might have violence on a regular basis, but he said you would never expect to see this in the middle of tel aviv. especially on the day after new year's.
he just said it was very, very shocking to him as an israeli. >> oh, it is very shocking. i was actually in tel aviv this last year. and it's a place where you feel, you know, very safe. you can't say that about certainly all places in israel. it is an area where there is conflict, but this is a place where, you know, people are just enjoying themselves going to bars, going to restaurants, going to pubs like this one. anything more that that man you spoke with said about the gunman? >> no, he didn't say anything else about the gunman. and i wasn't able to get more details from him because he seems to have left the scene very quickly, which i think people here were very smart people who felt like they could help or knew that they were going to be victims, ran towards the scene and people who wanted to stay safe either sheltered in place or went into stores or back into apartment buildings like the rest of us did. but tensions here are a bit high. just a few days ago there was a stabbing attack at the gate in jerusalem. that's been a big topic of conversation among israelis i've
spoken to here. i think this is only going to add to the tension the fact that this person, this assailant has not been captured yet and is still on the loose especially with a large amount of police presence in tel aviv to me is pretty shocking and i'm sure quite frightening to other residents in the area in tel aviv as to where this man is. >> i'm sure it is. meg robertson, thank you so muc for joining us. we appreciate you telling us what you saw there. and all of this of course comes as new york governor andrew quo moe -- cuomo is urging people to be vigilant following the arrest of a rochester man planning to attack new year's eve revelers with a machete. authorities say he was in contact with a member of isis overseas and planned his attack so he could join the terror group himself. overseas the taliban claiming responsibility for a different actual attack here, a suicide bombing at a french restaurant in afghanistan's capital kabul. it's an area very popular with foreigners there. a 12-year-old boy was killed in
that attack. and then in the french city a suspect is in custody after he tried to run over soldiers let's bring in cnn global affairs analyst and daily beast contributor kimberly dozier. it's really striking when we see all of these different attacks happening all over the place. and i want to start with these deadly shootings in tel aviv today. do you see this in a way as part of a new wave of soft targets where lone wolves are getting more emboldened in a way that just makes people generally feel unsafe going about their sort of daily routine? >> well, i think each of these attacks has something to do with local grievances combined with inspiration by the isis militant movement and methods that some of its followers have used that have proven very effective. your attack in tel aviv is not your standard palestinian
militant attack. they have been for the past three months carrying out almost daily attacks by stabbing or with cars. but somehow this man got ahold of an automatic weapon, and according to israeli news reports he had a quran in his bag. he was upset possibly over the death of a relative at the hands of israeli security forces. but it's not clear what motivated him. what it does look like though is that he copied the paris attackers dressing all in black, using an automatic weapon and going to a place like the center where this happened and just hitting multiple targets where people were less than prepared for this kind of automatic weapons fire. >> so that's what you have they found in this bag that he left. we saw him leave this on the shopping carts in what looked like a market that he had a quran in that. >> that is in multiple local israeli news reports that i have
not yet been able to verify. but they also have reports of a relative of this alleged attacker having identified him in saying that he was upset over the loss of a relative at the hands of israeli security forces. this is all part of the first reports, but it seems to indicate that this man attacked because of a local grievance yet he used methods that we are beginning to see again and again because of isis. >> yeah. let's talk about this rochester case here, emanuel lutchman arrested for reportedly he was planning an attack on new year's revelers which ended up effecting celebrations there in rochester. so undercover informants were a big part of this investigation. some of them were reportedly paid several thousand dollars by the government. does that do anything in effecting the case against this
man? >> it does raise a question when you look at the individual himself and ask what means did he have of carrying out attacks on behalf of isis? possibly, yes, he was radicalized by them by outreach online, but then it looks like from the way the court papers describe it that the fbi stepped in and enabled this man through these informants make iing weap available to him and possibly conspireing to make this video confession before carrying something out. would he have just stayed a sort of fan in the background without this encouragement? that's really not clear, but civil rights activists in similar cases to this have said you're enabling people who never would have taken up arms against another person if you didn't make it possible for them to do it. >> yeah. all right. kim dozier, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it. and we do have some sad news
to pass along this new year's day. legendary songstress and multi grammy winner natalie cole died last night in los angeles. natalie cole followed in the footsteps of her legendary father, singer nat king cole. she won nine grammys throughout her career including best new artist for her 1975 debut album. her voice in one word, unforgettable. ♪ unforgettable in every way ♪ and forever more ♪ and forever more ♪ and i miss you like crazy ♪ i miss you like crazy ♪ no matter what it --
♪ this will be the one i've waited for ♪ ♪ this will be the first time anyone has loved me ♪ ♪ i see reflections growing in the air telling me the way to move ♪ ♪ honey it ain't your money because i got plenty of that ♪ ♪ dreaming daydreaming and i'm thinking of you, daydreaming and i'm thinking of you ♪ >> joining me on the phone are two people who knew natalie cole well, the reverend jesse jackson and a grammy winning artist who recently produced a song for natalie cole. reverend jackson, first to you because you shared some really incredible pictures on your twitter account of your brother and natalie cole. tell us about that and just about your reaction to this news of someone who is really gone too soon. >> well, i am so sad.
i knew she had been sick. i didn't realize it was to this extent. she and my brother collaborated on this will be and inseparable for example. they met at organization headquarters and they married. so just like losing a family member. she was always so talented, so gifted and yet she was humble even though she had this great lineage of inheritance. she had her own talent and it was tremendous. >> terry, she is so humble. you see this come across in interviews that she did with larry king. i just spoke with someone who interviewed her a couple years ago after she had her kidney transplant. he said that's what really struck him was just how down to earth she was considering what a big deal she was. tell me about the last time that you saw her and what kind of spirit she was in. >> yes. i met natalie when i was, gosh,
under 10 years old, i think. so i've known her for quite a while. and she was so gracious and humble and just a sweet person. last time i saw her, let's see, we were working on my cd. and she came in to just say some wor words. you know, she just always gave of herself. and she was a friend and i'm really going to miss her. >> of course. and so many people are especially those close to her like you and i know her family is just devastated by this. how do you think people should remember natalie? >> well, i feel that she had a unique sound. she crossed genres into jazz and
r&b. i feel she really proved she had some freedom in this industry. and she had reverend said a unique sound. she came from this great lineage. she still was able to find her own voice. and all of that is very inspiring to us coming behind her. >> and, reverend jackson, she was also very open talking about some of her health struggles and her issues with addiction. she really wanted to make sure that, you know, she could help other people who may have the same struggles. >> she used her openness, her transparency was a source of her power. but often people who have success as she was kind of born with yet she had her own voice and found her own way. and just such an available person for all causes of social good. i love her so much and miss her already. >> i know so many of her fans do
as well. we're so sorry for the loss of both of you. we appreciate you coming on and talking about natalie cole. just ahead, a judge is ordering bill cosby's wife must testify in the defamation case against him. why their private conversations are not privilege. plus, did prosecutors hide information from the defense in the case against baltimore cops? there's new information that shows freddie gray may have already had a back injury. and we're just getting word that levees have been breached in mississippi -- in missouri. this happening as floodwaters rise. and as that happens a man shares the heartbreaking story of being with his wife on facetime as a tornado struck her. >> just scream and scream and her phone went blank.
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a new year and a new voice will finally be heard in the scandal engulfing bill cosby. in five days cosby's wife of 52 years will be deposed by the attorney of the seven accusers who are suing the comic legend for defamation. this is under a massachusetts judge's order. their lawsuit says cosby called them liars for their sex assault claims against him and cosby has countersued saying the seven women hurt his reputation derailing his plans for a comedy show on nbc. in the last hour the womens' attorney told me why he wants to depose camille cosby. >> she has information that's relevant to the issues in this case. for example, his relationships that he's had with other women, his sexual proclivities, his use of quaaludes. she is as you correctly pointed out his business manager.
clearly as a business manager she'll have information as to what impact, if any, these women had on his business. >> cosby's now out on a million dollars bail. just two days ago he was charged with sexual assault in montgomery county, pennsylvania. the alleged victim in this case is not part of this other lawsuit, just to be clear about that. today cosby tweeted this, he said, friends and fans, thank you. with me now criminal defense attorneys trent copeland and darren kavanoki. darren, clear this up for us because a lot of people would think how can a wife testify against her husband? >> well, she may not be able to testify at trial, but in the context of the deposition -- she's certainly fair game for this deposition because she may lead to the discovery of other relevant admissible evidence. and so you've got to look at this in the context of where we
are in the case, we're still very much in pretrial discovery where the rules are very broad in favor of her testifying. whether or not she can get on the stand at trial, that's another matter entirely. and that's where there's a lot more protection one spouse and the other. >> okay. so, trent, this is in the discovery phase. what kind of things could camille cosby reveal in a deposition that -- basically this would kind of give the prosecution more threads to pull, right? what might those threads be? >> yeah, remember, and brianna, this is not the prosecution, this is a civil case. so this is going to be a civil lawyer. >> yeah. >> what that lawyer is really trying to find out, brianna, is whether or not mrs. cosby understood mr. cosby used quaaludes, whether or not he had certain sexual proclivities, the truth is i don't think there's much she's going to be able to provide. don't expect camille cosby to
say, oh, yeah, i was aware my husband was having rampant affairs with 50, 60 some odd women. don't expect her to say i was aware my husband was taking quaaludes and giving them to women or that i was providing him with those kinds of drugs. don't expect that. i really don't think this sort of fishing expedition that the lawyer for these seven alleged accusers is indicating. i really don't think this is going to lead to much. i really don't. but in the capacity of her job as bill cosby's business manager it may be -- there may be some relevance in terms of what she can provide. remember, he's countersuing. he's saying their allegations hurt his business. and her capacity as a business manager she may be able to shed some light with regard to that. >> i want to listen now to this clip. the attorney for the women suing cosby says the details in it about a drug called spanish fly are very important to his case against cosby. >> knew what it was? >> the spanish fly was the thing that all boys from age 11 on up
to death we will still be searching for spanish fly. >> that's right. >> and what was the old story? the old story was if you took a little drop, no, it was on the head of a -- >> pin. >> pin. >> coca-cola, didn't matter. >> and the girl would drink it and -- >> she's yours. >> hello america. >> let's talk about this, trent, in the case of -- i know, right? it's hard. i've watched that so many times. it's hard to watch in the context of what's going on right now. let's talk about the criminal case, not the seven women but the case involving andrea constand in pennsylvania. is this something that prosecutors you would expect would use? would this be one of the more damning pieces of evidence? >> well, i don't know that it's going to be damning, but i think it's certainly harmful and damaging, that's for sure. you know, look, bill cosby having this sort of, you know, part of his comedy routine over
the years -- look, remember this isn't the only time larry king interviewed that he expressed interest in spanish fly. he had it in some of his standup routines. the problem is it demonstrates, brianna, i think your question is a good one, because look, is this a guy who has this routinely part of his m.o.? is this part of what he does? he likes to give women things and drug them and put them in a state of unconsciousness and take advantage of them? and he does that so openly he does it that he would even make it part of his comedy routine? part of his standup routine? i think it's a problem. i think it's something that he's got to deal with. >> darren, . >> if i can just amplify something here. there's a huge distinction between cosby being convicted in the court of public opinion where i think there's fairly unanimous agreement that he's engaged in some really horrific behavior. but you've got to distinguish between that and what a prosecutor's able to prove in a court of law. and the prosecutor's got the burden to prove there is something specific that happened on a specific night. and you also have to remember,
brianna, that this is a case that was reviewed by a prosecutor a decade ago and rejected as having insufficient evidence. and so they better be able to come to the table and show things are now different and it's not just that the sea of public opinion has turned against cosby but that they actually have evidence to meet their burden. because they're the only ones in the courtroom that have one. they've got to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of doing something specific at a specific time and not just being a horrific human being. >> all right. trent and darren, you're going to stick around. we're going to see you back here in just a bit and we'll talk more. i promise, gentlemen. but next, a big shakeup at the very top of the ben carson campaign just a month before the iowa caucuses. hear what his new campaign chairman told me about the strategy moving forward. plus, smoke is still visible at the dubai hotel that was the scene of a raging fire yesterday on new year's eve. a harrowing survival story of a man who was about to repel from the 48th floor when firefighters
let's turn now to the race for 2016. ben carson is kicking off the new year with a major campaign shakeup. five staffers abruptly resigning in the past two days, this includes his communications director and his campaign manager and his deputy campaign manager as well. just a couple hours ago i spoke with retired army major general robert dees, he's now taking over as the campaign's chairman. >> there's been maybe a false narrative that the campaign is in chaos or the campaign is losing momentum. it's just the opposite.
we're gaining energy. and this change has helped us to gain that energy. we've had a policy engine that was idling. we're going to take the governor off of that and allow people of america to really see what ben carson believes about certain things. we've had a communications strategy that was passive instead of active. we're going to change that immediately. we're in fact standing up an entire policy direct and bringing in new players that have experts in their fields, world class experts. and we're excited about that. >> well, let's bring in now cnn investigations correspondent chris frates, passive instead of active, can a restaffing reenergize? >> the interview was a prime example, this campaign's kind of in damage control mode. th they're trying to convince everybody this is routine. one of carson's advisers said
yesterday reagan changed his staff up right before the new hampshire primaries. we're certainly not in a tail spin here. but as you heard you're bringing in a foreign policy expert because ben carson had some trouble with foreign policy. you know, one of his biggest guests of course was pronouncing hamas like humus. carson himself saying we did a deep dive and found there were some deficiencies. well, that was pretty obvious. i think the trouble for carson is going to be convincing voters now that they've seen the deficiency that he can in fact overcome that. that's different than selling a vision forward. he needs to now convince them that he can do the job. that's going to be a tougher sell for the carson people, i think, brianna. >> it was interesting talking to dees. basically it's exactly what you said. trying to say this is routine. and i asked him, okay, i mean, campaign manager, comms director, deputy campaign manager gone and people look at that and say chaos and you say that's a misread and he said yes. what do you think about that? >> i mean, i think that's exactly what they're trying to
say. and you heard him say, well, we're going to pump up policy, we're going to bring in very smart, new voices. and it was interesting i was talking to armstrong williams yesterday, and he is one of -- he's carson's business manager and he's an outside adviser. he has no official role inside the campaign but a really influential adviser. i said are you bringing dees in because he was a foreign policy adviser to the campaign? is that helpful to you? and he said, you know, it's a bonus. but what dees brings is a lot of organization and getting the best out of people. so i think there was a feeling inside the campaign that they weren't organized enough, that they weren't high octane enough and that they didn't take this hit and bounce back. he continued to make foreign policy blunders and now they need to kind of restaff very quickly. i mean, they only have about a month here. so i think it's going to be tough for them to do this, but certainly they've really shaken things up. and they're going with a new team in the new year here. >> yeah. we'll have to see if it makes the difference. who knows. chris, thank you so much. and next, the latest on the
manhunt for a suspect who opened fire on a pub in tel aviv. shocking surveillance video shows how all of this unfolded and we'll take you live to israel. moments ago the death toll rose to 15 after historic floods in missouri happened, and all of this as a levee has been overtopped in illinois. and millions of people are now waiting for the water to recede. stay with us.
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back now to our breaking news out of israel where a shooting is being investigated as terrorism. this happened in broad daylight on the streets of tel aviv. two people are dead killed by a man who witnesses say was dressed head to toe in black with what appeared to be an assault rifle as his weapon. police are now hunting down the shooter, he is on the loose. and seen in this surveillance video outside of the window on the right side of the screen you can see the gunman here. and then here you can again see him opening fire outside of the pub. a witness telling cnn that some people actually ran with guns toward the scene. the shooter though was somehow able to flee and our ian lee is following this story from jerusalem. what more can you tell us about this search? >> reporter: it's still very much ongoing. they're going house-to-house, street by street looking for this person. as one police spokesman said, they have flooded tel aviv with security personnel looking for
this man. they have checkpoints leaving the city to make sure that he is contained. and right now it is -- people are praying at the synagogue. there's extra security there too. they are as one police spokesman a terrorist attack, although ng- they have not said it is in fact a terrorist attack. they haven't ruled out it being a criminal act as well. but when you look at these surveillance videos, especially the one where he is in a supermarket, when he's done shopping he pulls out that -- the gun out of the bag and starts shooting at the pub. well, he leaves that bag behind. he also leaves behind a clip from the gun. these are crucial pieces of evidence. the police hope will lead to his arrest and to his identity. also they're looking at other surveillance video, not just the ones that have been released but others ones that look which direction he ran off. and also, this is one of the most crucial parts too, did he
have any help? brianna, these are all things the police are looking for and looking at right now as they search for the suspect. >> ian lee, thank you for that report. there are clouds of smoke still rising from that luxury high-rise hotel in dubai that erupted in massive flames on new year's eve last night. what's left of the building is still smoldering. and a source tells cnn that a set of curtains in a 20th floor residence caught fire as new year's eve celebrations were starting to get underway. nobody died, but 16 people did need medical attention. cnn's john jensen has the latest. >> reporter: new year's eve is one night dennis malari will never forget. the 37-year-old photographer was on assignment to take pictures of dubai's fireworks display at world's tallest building, the burj khalifa. but at 9:00 p.m., the address point went up in flames. and he was trapped, scared and
alone, had to fight to make it out alive. >> i'm on the side of the building. need help. i go there inside to try to go exit. i'm not going to die because of the fire, because of the smoke. >> reporter: he was stuck on a balcony on the 48th floor. great for photos but smoke quickly filled the building. and escape wasn't an option. >> this is my view at 48th floor. >> reporter: the filipino ex-pat first panicked and then sent desperate pleas to family and friends on facebook. >> i need help. already posted i'm here 48th floor, help. >> reporter: he also kept filming to stay calm, especially when things looked the worst. >> we were at the 48th floor address hotel happening right now. >> i can hear them. i saw some debris falling down from the building. >> reporter: after almost two hours, he came up with a last
ditch plan. he'd repel down the building on a window washer's cable, even though it wasn't quite long enough to make it. >> i prayed if this is my last chance, then so be it. >> reporter: as he started going over the edge, firefighters found him and saved his life. >> you have to pull me back. i have a belt. i have support belt. >> reporter: after walking down all 48 floors, he was treated for smoke inhalation. he let his friends know he was safe, posting this picture. then he continued with work capturing dubai's fireworks just meters away from the building that nearly killed him. john jensen, cnn, dubai. next, new questions about the evidence in the freddie gray case. the prosecution accused of hiding information about a back injury gray may have had before he died in police custody. plus, a heartbreaking story
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i will take brilinta today. tomorrow. and every day for as long as my doctor tells me. don't miss a day of brilinta. just moments ago we learned that 15 have now died from floods in missouri. and as cleanup begins for some, for others the worst is still to come. overflowing rivers have begun to recede in some parts of missouri and illinois, but forecasters are warning that swollen waterways and expected crests could see more levees overtopped sending a deluge downstream. cnn's jennifer gray is at the site of the meramec river, this is in valley park, missouri, where historic floods have breached a levee at a second waste water treatment plant sending more untreated waste down the river. jennifer. >> reporter: brianna, we're
standing in valley park, missouri, along the meramec river, which is a little ways to the north. this is highway 141 where we're standing. looks more like a boat launch, but the river is finally crested. did that yesterday. and now the water's going down. we've come down more than six feet. yesterday the water was about a foot below that green sign right there. so the water definitely coming down little by little. still a long way to go. interstate 44 though right there behind me it is back open after being closed for several days because water was on top of the interstate. so that's good news for travelers. but you know what, there's going to be a lot of cleanup ahead. the waters recede, look at all of this mud, this silt that's coming from the meramec river. all of this is going to be left behind. and it's going to be pretty thick once this starts to funnel down the mississippi. so they're going to be cleaning up this. there's sewage in that water. and there's also trash in the water. and so a long road ahead for the folks around st. louis, the danger now is going to be points
south. brianna. >> jennifer gray for us, thank you. when we cover these storms, it's really easy to get caught up in the numbers. the homes destroyed, what it's going to cost to rebuild. but one story from this storm brings our attention to the people who are affected by this dangerous weather, the victims. 27-year-old petra ruiz was killed by a tornado in texas last saturday. her husband was facetiming with her as the tornado hit. he spoke to dan hagerty with our affiliate ktvt. >> reporter: reuben has bought flowers for his wife in this very shop for a decade, but this will be the last time. >> she loved red roses. >> reporter: 27-year-old petra ruiz died saturday when the massive tornado that tore through garland passed right over her car on i-30. the mother of four was on facetime with her husband when she was swept away. >> she started just screaming. she screamed and scream and
scream. her phone went blank. >> reporter: he tracked her with an app on his phone, rushed through the scene, broke through the police line and found her. >> i grabbed her. started talking to her. i said petra wake up. >> reporter: petra died in that car, one of eight lives taken in garland. >> and i grabbed her wrist to see if she had a pulse, but she was gone. she was just gone. i mean, and then i started screaming. telling everybody i need help over here my wife in the car. [ crying ] >> if you would like to help the flood victims, you can go to cnn's impact your world website. we do have links there to vetted organizations on the ground in missouri. that's at cnn.com/impact.
the freddie gray case in baltimore is nearing a crucial phase. questions about gray's health are being raised just ten days before the trial begins for the police officer who drove the van where gray was fatally injured. defense attorneys for officer cesar goodson claim gray complained of back problems weeks before he got in the van and suffered a spinal injury last april. the defense cites a recently unsealed document that states gray allegedly mentioned his back pain when he met with baltimore police less than two weeks before his arrest. joining me again darren kavinoky, and defense attorney trent copeland. so, darren, tell us how is this unsealed police document going to hold up in court. >> yeah. i'm not sure how much mileage they're going to get from this, but it's very interesting, brianna, because it opens up a whole slew of issues. so this all arises from an
interview that freddie gray gave to police officers weeks before he died, which shows that he was working as an undercover informant or somehow was known to police in helping them on these other cases. and the idea is that he made sort of an offhanded remark about his back being injured. there was a note that was made in a report, but that report wasn't even generated until weeks after his death. so there's some really funny stuff in all of this chronology, but ultimately here's where this comes down. if there's evidence that's exculpatory, meaning it helps the defense, it should be turned over and they should have the opportunity to explore it. i don't know that they're going to get so much mileage from this bad back, because if you'll remember freddie gray was running from officers at the scene. and that's what invited their attention in the first place. i'm not sure how bad his back really was. but ultimately you don't want to have to do a trial twice. and so the material should be explored fully by the defense.
>> trent, the defense team they want access to gray's medical records. do you think that's something the judge will grant? >> well, i do. i think the judge is going to grant it because the judge doesn't want to be overturned on appeal. i think darren's right. in the sense that the defense is looking for information regarding freddie gray's back and back problems, be reminded of this. he didn't die as a result of having a broken back. he died as a result of having a broken neck. and that broken neck took place as a result of him being thrown about, allegedly, in that van back and forth. so, look, i think the judge is going to go overboard, i think he's going to allow the exculpatory evidence if it exists, if it's provided to the defense i think he's going to make sure it's provided to them in its entirety. i think the judge wants to be careful because he wants to make sure that the defense gets a fair trial. in the end, brianna, i'm not sure any of it matters. i think at the heart of this case, what the defense is trying to establish is, look, freddie gray had a pre-existing problem, had a pre-existing medical condition, it was a bad back. as a result they'll try to bring in some sort of expert witness that says, hey, look that batd
back contributed to his inability to control himself when he was in the back of that van, and that's really what caused this neck injury. ordinary person in ordinary situation would not have had the same problem. i'm not sure it's going to fly. i agree with darren, but i think they'll explore it. >> just to try to create some doubt there. so, darren, what about the medical examiner who performed the autopsy and testified she did not find any signs of a previous back or neck injury? how does that factor in here? >> right. well, ultimately it becomes a tale of two narratives. and the jury is going to be tasked with the ultimate responsibility of deciding which is the more credible, likely version. at the end of the day while i think that the defense will get to fully explore this issue and it would be a mistake not to allow them to, i don't think that this will be the thing that turns the case. but you never know. and that's why as much as pundits like trent and i may like to opine from the sidelines, you got to play the game on the field. and ultimately it's going to be
up to the jury to decide. >> you agree with that, trent, maybe this isn't the winning strategy? >> i don't know that it's the winning strategy. but look, let's remember this, there was initially a hung jury in that first case. so winning can be defined a number of ways. i think at this point the prosecution's not winning and the defense is. so, look, any time there's a hung jury, any time the defense gets a verdict that's anything other than guilty, the defense is winning. so i think they'll explore this, they'll try to make hay with it. i think they'll try to move forward but in the end i don't think it's the winning strategy. >> gentlemen, thank you so much for chatting with me. i do appreciate it. and next, they did acid together in college and then worked on the first mac together. one of steve jobs' friends opens up about the early years of the apple genius.
this sunday don't miss steve jobs the man in the machine right here on cnn at 9:00 p.m. eastern. jobs changed the world as we know it. just look at your iphone or ipad. before jobs became a force at apple, he was a college student who was not afraid to try new things, for instance lsd. cnn money tech correspondent lori seagal talked with the long-time close friend of jobs. >> hey there. well, steve jobs the man in the machine is a documentary that looks at steve jobs and why his presence, why who he was resonated so much with people around the world. now, i actually had the opportunity to sit down with someone who knew him quite well before all of us knew him as steve jobs the genius, the creator. take a listen. you used to do lsd with steve jobs. can you take me back to those college days? i mean, let's just rewind and go back there. >> let's see. were we playing sergeant pepper? >> what were you playing?
how did this go down? >> it was pretty prosaic. we were in portland at reed college. you know, freshmen college year is a very poignant time of life where you're very much trying to figure out what the world is about and what you're interested in. >> how'd you guys meet? >> oh, well, at reed, reed was a pastoral environment. and so there was a lot of hanging out going on, but steve and i developed a friendship when we figured out that we had both read this amazing book called "be here now," which is about psychedelics and spirit l spirituali spirituality. steve was my best friend at the time of life when i was discovering all this huge current of even literature. all of a sudden psychedelics were being introduced into the mix of traditional spirituality. and that was just very fascinating. >> do you remember the first time you guys took psychedelics together? >> no. not really. we were just kind of walking
around, i think. we used to go for hikes. i think we camped out on the beach. i can't really remember building a campfire. i don't remember what we did when it got dark. i can tell you that the times that i was taking psychedelics with steve we weren't really talking that much. we were more of in a meditative space. >> at some point you guys decided to go to india, right? >> yes. >> what was that trip like? >> i didn't have any money. i had no travel plans. but steve had started working at atari and he had money, couple thousand dollars. and so he offered to buy my ticket. i said absolutely okay let's go. we were just traveling around. just hippies traveling around. we weren't even hippies. we shaved our heads. we were monks. we were monk wanna bes. >> the story goes everyone in the garage working on the first
prototype. >> when i heard he was starting this apple project, that was a big surprise to me. and i volunteered to help. not having any qualifications whatsoever. but i was happy to help. most of what i was doing was testing these boards and, you know, hooking them up and testing. i had to plug all the chips in and then test them. and steve was on the phone in the kitchen most of the time. so i was alone in the garage. did i -- did i even have a radio? no. i don't think i even had a radio. >> once there, did you and steve jobs ever take lsd or continue to take psychedelics? >> once apple started, steve was really focused with all of his energy on making apple successful. and he didn't need psychedelics for that. >> now, what you can see is steve jobs meant a lot of different things to a lot of different people. what this documentary does that's unique is it really gives us a look at who the man was
beyond the technology. he was polarizing, complicated, a genius. and you really get a sense of it all if you take a look at this film. back to you. >> thank you, laurie. don't miss the premiere of steve jobs, the man in the machine. that's this sunday at 9:00 eastern on cnn. an interesting moment in california today. this involves a message in the sky above the rose parade in pasadena. check out this video. the sky writing there it reads, quote, america is great, trump is disgusting, anybody but trump. this was dashed out by multiple planes just as the last float left the gate. apparently it took six planes in fact to make all of this happen. no word on who is responsible but a group ca, anybody but trump.u.s. that does it for me. a cnn special, all the best, all the worst 2015 starts right now.
faster than a gyjie ro copt, this year came home with countless villains and heroes in politics, sports, pop culture, music, movies and we'll take them all on with our league of superheroes. actress melissa joan hart from cnn's quest means business, richard quest, model and reality tv star carmen carrera. titus burgess, bethany wattson. cnn anchor john berman. and from hln's "morning express," robin meade, it's all the best, all the worst 2015. welcome. i'm tom foreman. and we could havese