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i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." for our international viewers, "amman power" is coming up next. for our viewers in north amer a america, "newsroom" cwith brook baldwin starts now. >> wolf blitzer thank you so much. great to be with all of you. happy new year. here's what we're watching and waiting for. any moment we should be hearing from leaders of the armed group who have officially taken over the federal wildlife building in southeastern oregon, happening at the national wildlife refuge, the group of anti-government protesters broke in and hunkered down and occupied this building after a rally in support of two ranchers saturday. the ranchers here, dwight and steven hammond, father/son, they are set to surrender federal authorities at any moment now to serve time in prison for arson. the father and son were
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convicted of setting fires which encroached upon federal land. we should also point out that the hammonds are distancing themselves from these armed protesters. still, one group leader tells cnn's sara sidner, they're prepared to occupy the federal building for days, weeks, maybe even years. >> we're going to stay here until we have secured the land and the resources back to the people of hornig county and they can get back to ranching, get back to logging, get back to using these lands without feeling fear and intimidation. >> reporter: what about armed resistance? are you willing to have a gun battle with the federal government? >> i hope it does not come to that. i hope that it does not come to that. >> reporter: but you're willing? >> well, the only reason why that would schaap becauhappen i they, again are the aggressors. we are threatening nobody.
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>> let me bring in my colleague pauler ha er haver hav veracmme. we'll bring the news conference to everyone live but in the meantime talk to me about this non-response response on behalf of law enforcement. what's going on? >> reporter: if you look around me, there is not a single local state or federal law enforcement officer anywhere near here so it doesn't really constitute a standoff. fish and wildlife say they'll leave this reserve unoccupied. put this in context, brooke, a single story visitors center and a store. sfr what we understand, they walked in, it wasn't like they broke in, so there is no as we said standoff per se and waiting to get clarity from the demonstrators when they come up here in a short time to address
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the media and explain what their strategy is from here on out. they splintered off from a protest saturday. talking to townspeople they're frustrated. they support those ranchers who got in on the hot water with the feds for the arson. they don't like the take igof the reserve and don't like they've closed schools in the area. >> paul we'll stay in close contact. we want to hear from the folks what is it they want and their demands. let's move along and today it begins, the official start of the election year, and for the if, time in this presidential race, bill clinton on the stump today, by himself, for his wife, democratic front-runner hillary clinton and while he made zero mention of donald trump by name, the former president seemed to be responding to trump and specifically trump's plan to temporarily ban muslims from entering the united states. >> the third thing the
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election's about is how we're going to keep america safe and still keep it america, preserve our individual liberties and our reputation for being an open country, our belief in diversity, and our understanding that one of our great meal tickets in the next 20 years is going to be there's somebody here from everywhere else. >> mr. trump, however, has made it clear he will be using bill clinton's name as many times as he'd like. he explained earlier to chris cuomo on "new day" why the 42nd president's past improprieties are fair game. >> it's simple, they during the course of the debate and many other times she was talking about she used the word sexist, i'm sexist, and she was using very sort of derogatory terms. i said how the hell can she do that when she's got one of the great women abusers of all-time
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sitting at her house waiting for her to come home. >> why do you say that when in the past you said the impeachment process didn't make sense. >> as a businessman i got along with everybody so it was always important to defend people when i was -- it was important for me to get along with the clintons. >> we want to follow up on that in a second and talk to jeff a zelaney. we're about to hear from the down in this federal building - there in oregon in the whole land dispute and two ranchers. let's step in. >> -- caring enough to report on these matters and i hope that we can be of informal to you and give you information that will satisfy your needs for now to report. i lwould like to give some housekeeping items and that is
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many of you have asked us for what is our name other than just citizens that care and feel like it's time to make a stand to protect our human rights, we didn't really know what to say. we felt we'd give ourselves a name, at least we could be reported that way and we could be more organized in that effort and that would be scitizens for constitutional freedom. our purpose, as we have shown, is to restore and defend the constitution, that each person in this country can be protected by it and that prosperity can continue. we love our country. we love the people in it. we know that we are struggling
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to be able to know what to do as a nation, and many times, in many ways we are dividing, and we hope that we can restore those things and that we can unite as a people, in protecting individuals, that we will not forget about how important each person is, and how that person has the right to live here on this earth and has the right to live in liberty, and has the right to own property, and to be able to reap the fruits of their labor labors. as many of you may know, this effort if you will started by understanding that a ranching
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family here in harney county has been put under duress by multiple federal agencies that those agencies have desired for many years to acquire their ranch and that this hammond family have refused to sell it because they want to pass on the ranching heritage to their children, and to their grandchildren, and because of that refusal to sell the ranch, these federal agencies began an attack on this family. they have, the hammond family has experienced their private waters being fenced off by federal agencies even after the state of oregon ruled that it was their waters. they have restricted from their
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private property through the refuge here going to their private properties through road closures and fences and gates. even after it was determined that the road was owned by the county of harney. they have again have multiple times refused the purchase of it, and because of that have been pros futured for actions that ranchers have done for over 100 years in this county, and for, in this valley and for protecting their private property, and these things are what this is about, that base we have allowed our federal government to step outside the bounds of the constitution they are prosecuting them directly, they're coming down into the states and taking over the land and the resources, putting the
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people into duress, putting the people into poverty, and putting entire counties and entire states into undue obedience. i have asked that shawna cox read you what we have titled "the notice redress of grievance" and to give you a little background, we have spent several weeks, two months to be exact, in petitioning the state and the local county representatives to stand for the hammonds against these unconstitutional actions, and we have done this through petitions. we have done this through contacts, by e-mails. we know that the sheriff has received thousands of e-mails. we also know that the county representatives and the state
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representatives have received thousands of e-mails, and to no avail that they have ignored to the point where they have not even responded back at all. i myself and along with many other organizations and influential people have contacted these representatives, and the county sheriff, asking them to get involved, and all we have been asking from the very beginning is that they put together an evidential hearing board to look at the evidences, look at the, uhm, the accusations that are set forth and to look at the abuses that the hammonds have been experiencing, and they have refused in every case. the notice redress of grievance was our final attempt to get them to act, and this was a
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legal notice that was delivered to the county sheriff, and the county representatives and state representatives, and i'm going to ask shawna cox if she'll read this. >> thanks ammon. my name is shawna cox, and i am just an individual with, a pay rot american in support. >> step up to the mike. >> yes, sorry. the notice redress of grievance. we the people united individuals of these states united coalition of western states pacific patriot network bundy family supporters, oregon oldkeepers, the idaho 3%, the central oregon constitutional guard, the oregon taxico, the oregon bearded bastar bastards, the liberty watch
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washington, nevada committee for full statehood -- >> we're going to pull away from this and take five good steps back to try to help everyone understand what is happening here in oregon. these are different members apparently they have now named themselves is the groups, citizens for constitutional freedom, the armed protesters, there's a whole other conversation we'll have later on what we should be calling these people in oregon who hunkered down, not a standoff against law enforcement. to have a standoff you have to have another side. this goes back to an aiming-old grievance in this part of the country over federal land and some ranchers feel the policies are intrusive and overreaching and this is back to this father and son who by the way will be reporting to prison in the next couple of hours, by 5:00 eastern, but this is a huge issue at hand. let me wring someone in who can help understand this. candy jordan lives in this area,
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understands the issue and knows the father/son ranchers who distanced themselves from the folks we saw step in front of the microphone. mr. jordan thank you for joining me. you can help all of us understand what is at stake. my first question who are these people, from what i understand these aren't locals. these folks have come from all over the country, not connected directly to what's happening where you live. who are they? >> well, i don't think a lot of us know. the person that was just on announced a bunch of different names and militia groups that came, but yes, they're not from here. there are some people who did march in the rally that are local, and there are some people who support what ammon bundy is doing. i think the majority of the people here are concerned about the hammond situation. they're sympathetic to it. they feel like the punishment is, you know, worse than the
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crime. the militia is a different issue. there was a lot of sentiment here that they didn't want them to come. some of the militia members have been here for weeks, and that's made the community pretty nervous, because we don't really have a reference for what could come of this, other than the bundy situation, and nobody wants anything like that. >> right. which was not good, and that was just a couple of years ago, but the fact that these militia members, these protesters, they are armed and the fact that according to our crews there on the ground, there is no law enforcement there. i know apparently the fbi or the federal government is definitely monitoring this, but you living there, not even understanding who these people are, does that worry you? >> it worries me to a certain extent. i think it worries a lot of people perhaps even more. the schools have been closed for
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this week, and i don't think, i mean because there's not law enforcement out there, because there's not a lot of news crews out there, we don't really know what's going on, and i can't speak for law enforcement, but i think because it's in such a remote rural area, no one is in imminent danger so i think they want to take it carefully. >> kanaan jordan thanks so much. we have crews on the ground, we'll check in with them to look at what's happening and the next steps. next, a possible game changer in the war against isis. saudi arabia cutting all ties with iran as protesters set fire to the saudi embassy in tehran. could this escalate into some sort of military conflict? we'll explore that. also, is this masked terrorist the new face, right here, of isis? chilling new video surfaces with a warning to the west. you're watching cnn cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we'll be right back.
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breaking news at cnn, the body of country music singer craig strickland has been found, the front man for back road anthem vanished back on sunday december 27th, after going on a duck hunting trip with his friend during this severe winter storm. his friend at the time sending this ominous tweet with the words "in case we don't come back." his friend's body was found days after he went missing after the boat they were in cap sized. the family of the 39 yoorld singer has been notified. all right so before we were
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in break, we were talking about bill clinton and how he was out on the trail today in new hampshire, a big deal, his first solo campaign appearance on behalf of his wife. after stamp u stumping at the podium clinton got another chance to hit donald trump back. listen to the exchange the former president had with the crew from abc news. >> reporter: mr. president, donald trump says your past is fair game. i have to ask you, coming out on the trail, is it fair game? >> all right so that was what that news crew got with regard to anything trump, republicans,
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otherwise. let's bring in political commentator michael smerconish, who hosts "smerconish" on cnn saturday mornings and chief political correspondent dana bash. happy election year. michael smerconish, listening to bill clinton when he was speaking there at that college in new hampshire, you know, didn't mention the "t" word as in donald trump, we're wondering how he would do that. you heard his vague-ish response to the reporter from abc. are you surprised he didn't have sharper elbows, say anything more forceful with regard to trump? >> no, i think the dance is not to utter his name if that can be avoided but to keep him very much in the camera lens. i think it's good for trump and good for clinton and here's how. every time we talk about hillary and donald trump in the same breath we're cementing this perception that trump wants us to cement that he ultimately is
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the republican nominee and you can see the two on the same stage. we're not talking about hillary and marco or hillary and jeb. from the clinton perspective they probably enjoy this as well because he's the one she'd most like to run against. >> they would salivate at the idea of hillary clinton going up against donald trump if he were the nominee. we talked about this last week whether or not clinton once he's out and about says anything or nothing. >> look, yes, i think that we know that the clinton campaign thinks that they probably have the best shot or one of the best shots against trrp trrp, when it comes to the republican field. however, you know, watching kind of the way bill clinton is approaching this during his speech earlier today in new hampshire, it became really at all, because he's taking this at 20,000 or 30,000 feet, the way only bill clinton can do.
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playing politics but wrapping it in this incredible you know, policy prescription on behalf of his wife, in a way that, you know, again, we really don't see anybody else doing, and also, when it comes to trump, brooke, it's very hard for bill clinton to just kind of go there on the specific issues that trump is talking about, which is his own personal philandering and his own in the past when it comes to his sexual experiences. that's very hard for bill clinton to do, because the second he utters anything relating to that, that's what takes up all the oxygen on the campaign trail. >> gets played on loop. as far as trump, the trump camp today they released their first big tv ad of the campaign, take a look. >> the politicians can pretend it's something else but donald trump calls it radical islamic terrorism. that's why he's calling for a temporary shutdown of muslims entering the united states until we can figure out what's going on.
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he'll quickly cut the head off isis and take their oil and he'll stop illegal immigration by building a war on our southern border that mexico will pay for. >> we will make america great again. >> every, michael smerconish, buzz word used on screen for the base, everything. >> well, it's worked so far, right? i'm sitting here watching and thinking this is chauncey gardner kind of stuff. there's no their there, but this is what has got him where he is. what does it mean, i'm going to cut off the head of isis? what does that mean? there's no demand for any specificity thus far in the campaign. >> there has been a demand, just not a lot of answers, you know, oh, michael, everybody's been trying from six ways 'til sunday to get the answers to the specifics from him and not just him, from other candidates as well, and this i think history will show 2016 will go down as
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sort of the year of vaguery. it is true. be required so far by voters to get these specifics and that is why the message you just played, brooke, something so simple, yet so stark, and exaggerated, has been working. >> so you have that. then let's move along to ted cruz/marco rubio work and forth. cruz's superpack in iowa after a whole week and portraying marco rubio as distracted and not up to the challenge of being commander in chief. here is this. ♪
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>> i know a have a debate but i got to get this fantasy football thing right, okay? >> keep the promise won is responsible for the content of this advertising. >> ooh. i guess dana, i see you shaking your head, the back and forth we saw on the debate stage in vegas continuing on in ads. >> just to put it in context the rubio sound bite you just saw there, that was a joke that his campaign put out before a debate about how he prepares for a debate, not how he prepares to be president, just to be fair, but look, what ted cruz's superpack is trying to do is again go at what marco rubio thinks is one of his biggest strengths, the fact that he understands foreign policy, understands national security, that he's kind of a deep person on those issues, and rubio went after cruz himself personally today. he said when he was up in new hampshire, brooke, that you can't stop isis with a
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filibuster. there's only one person you're talking about when you say that. >> rimes with smidgerous. we'll talk to senator santorum in the next hour. we watch michael smerconish every saturday, 9:00 a.m. here on cnn. coming up next, violence in iran, the saudi emwassy there attacked after saudi arabia executed 47 people, including an iranian cleric and now saudi arabia canceling all flights to iran. could this be closer to a military conflict here? we'll explore that with christi christian apmman power. also president obama discussing his gun options with attorney general loretta lynch. when it comes to economic i have action, how far can the president go? it
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. we are just past the bottom of the hour. you're watching cnn i'm brooke baldwin. an important story here this extremely volatile situation brewing in the middle east and i'm not talking about isis. i'm talking about saudi arabia canceling all flights to iran, kicking out all iranian diplomats, after sunni dominated saudi arabia executed 47 people in one day including this prominent shiite cleric, a move that infuriated shia dominated iran, sparking this is fiery protests erupting. you see the pictures here, at the saudi embassy in tehran and the fallout moves beyond borders, bahrain, sudan, joining
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saudi arabia in severing all diplomatic ties with iran, so for the perfect perspective christiane amanpour joins me now. can you first explain, we need to explain who this cleric was and if you think, given everything now that's happened, if the next step is military conflict. >> well, it's a really big leap to say military conflict between iran and saudi arabia. i don't think that's in the cards at least no experts do, but this terrible, deep freeze in relations they've had for the last three decades plus has reached yet another crisis point. it is not the first time they have broken off diplomatic relations but it happens at a time when the whole region is so unstable and where the region is meant to be trying to get together to defeat isis. saudi arabia and iran supporting different sides in syria, for instance, in iraq, in yemen, and elsewhere. back to who is this cleric? sheikh nimr al nimr. he is a shiite cleric, opposed
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to the saudi monarchy, the dictatorship there and been an activist for more freedom for the shiites because they are the minority in saudi arabia and they are and claim to be an oppressed minority. no one believes that he has any evidence of any violence or terrorism in his background but he was executed along with a number of convicted terrorists. so the death of the cleric is what angered iran, on top of a whole load of other things that have been going on that angered iraq. for saudi arabia's point, iran they believe is just a meddler and is trying to take over a lot of what they call hegemonic power in the area and it's this manifest indication of this big rivalry, this regional rivalry between the two main axis of islam, shia dominated iran and its allies, sunni dominateded saudi arabia which is obviously the majority of islamic faith,
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85% of muslims are sunni. you have this massive butting of heads in a region already so volatile and at a time when the united states was hoping that saudi arabia, iran and all other interested parties could get together to find a political way out of the war in syria. so it's a big deal that they are at this terrible crisis point. >> so then given this butting of heads and how you pointed out that saudi arabia and iran obviously support different groups within what's happening in syria, how then does this affect this u.s.-led coalition there and isis? >> well, you know, it's really interesting to try to see how that will happen. obviously iran is not part of any military coalition, to the contrary, iran backs the syrian dictator bashar assad, along with hezbollah, along with russia of course. saudi arabia is much more on the side of those rebels who have taken up arms against assad, but of course, many not just in the region, not just in iran but
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around the world believe that certain elements of saudi society and in the past the saudi authorities have given way too much support, funded and allowed to operate all these extremists. obviously the ultimate manifest indication of the sunni extremism right now is isis, but all these extreme hardline salafis who are also in this fight in syria. how to fix this is very unclear. i've just spoken to a leading saudi insider who says that it might only be the united states who can come in and try to mediate this, but again that's going to be very difficult. >> how? >> because the u.s. doesn't have -- well, the u.s. is a huge saudi ally and gives saudi arabia a lot of money and a lot of arms but it doesn't have a huge diplomatic relationship with iran beyond the iran nuclear deal, and so it's very difficult, and let's not forget also that part of the crisis is because there are two irans. you've got hard line iran. you've got those people who stormed the saudi embassy in
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violation of international law and diplomatic immunity, mostly they are the so-called volunteers, the ununiform militia known as the basiej who work with the revolutionary guard in iran and backed by the supreme leader. they are the ones who did this. at the same time the more moderate president hassan rouhani and zarif condemned this publicly. there were umpteen press conferences and tweets and all these other things by president rouhani and his minister s and also rouhani ordering the iranian police to investigate and arrest those who stormed that embassy. they've made 40 arrests according to iranian media and rouhani has called what happened unacceptable and labeled the iranians who stormed the embassy as extremists. so there's a massive, you know, fight within iran as well between extremists and more moderates, as well as this fight between iran and saudi arabia,
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and this fight between shia and sunni islam for control and for power and for majority influence in that region. >> as always, christian amonday pore thank you very much. we're watching closely along with you, thank you. coming up next, more on our breaking news here, these armed activists who have taken over this federa building in oregon, as they've challenged the government over land. just listed their demands but my next guest asks, why isn't everyone calling these people terrorists? we'll discuss that. back after this quick break. to truly feel healthy on the outside
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now. moments ago we heard from this group behind this armed takeover of the federal building there. here they were. >> you have asked us for what is our name, and other than just citizens that care and feel like it's time to we make a stand to protect our human rights we didn't know what to say but we felt that we'd give ourselves a name so we could be supported that way and be more organized in that effort, citizens for constitutional freedom. our purpose as we have shown is to restore and defend the constituti constitution. >> my next guest wonders why they are labeled as insurgents
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or terrorists. januaryel janelle thank you for joining me. >> happy to be here. >> you make an excellent point but i don't know if you were watching, we took it live, here you have this group apparently now has given themselves a name. i talked to someone who lives in the area and they're like we don't really know who these people are, they're armed to the teeth, hunkered down in the federal building which is illegal. holding a news conference. is this a little bizarre to you? >> all fairness to the people assembled and under a newly announced name, there in oregon they are american citizens and they have the right to protest and assemble and exercise their right to assemble. what probably makes the situation most noteworthy and different whether acknowledged or not at least some of the people are armed, in fact as they have sought to i suppose explain conditions there in argue oregon, many are heavily
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armed and prepared to stay in place for years and said they would be prepared to die in the event that someone tried to come in and remove them. that is several steps above a peaceable protest to which they do have a right. to your point why aren't they being labeled terrorists? >> in all fairness i think there are many labels that might be applicable here. i think the real question is why is there such speed to labels such as terrorists or thug or any number of labels, those involved in protests or even those interlopers on a peaceful protest. i guess are on americans' tv screens. at the same time this seems to be this reticence and sort of slow pace at which we arrive at the point at which for instance in south carolina after events
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there last year, a mass shooting, there was extended debate whether that was a racial crime and whether or not that was domestic terrorism. mean while, we have a significant issue in this country with domestic terrorism, it outpaces slightly islamic terrorism which we spend a lot more time talking about, and then therefore i'm saying to you that again, there may be many words that are applicable and reasonable here. some people may feel the proper word for what's happening in oregon is terrorism, perhaps sedition, insurrection but we don't use that word because we're talking about white americans presumed to be innocent, presumed to be individuals with their own minds and their own opinions that don't apply to an entire group and we certainly don't assume them to be violent from the get-go. >> from a law enforcement and
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charging perspective and societal perspective. i want to quote you "it is hard to imagine none of the words would be avoided if for instance a group of armed black americans took possession of a federal or state courthouse to protest the police, black americans outraged about the death of a 12-year-old at the hands of police have been frequently and inaccurately lumped in with criminals and looters and make the point if it was a group of muslims this would be a totally different story. >> i think so. it seems based on recent eventsality minimum the progress at which we would get from wondering what happened and what might be motivating these events to a series of very serious and some cases deeply insulting labels being applied to people automatically because of who they are, not because of what they are doing. >> thank you for taking the time, with "the washington post," i appreciate it.
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right now president obama is making good on his promise to put gun control at the top of his agenda before he leaves office next year. moments ago the president began a meeting with his attorney general ahead of the fbi and other justice department officials here. they are meeting to map out exactly what executive action the president can take bypassing congress to keep guns out of the
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hands of people who just shouldn't have them. this morning on cnn, donald trump slammed the move. >> pretty soon you won't be able to get guns. it's supposed to be negotiated, you're supposed to cajole, get people in a room, you're supposed to deal with them. you have the republicans, you have democrats, you have all these people that get elected to do this stuff and you're supposed to get together and pass a law. he doesn't want to do that because it's too much work so he doesn't want to work too hard. he wants to go back and play golf. >> let's bring in our correspondent joe johns, talk to me about as we're waiting get a little bit of the video from the president, hear from him specifically. what exactly is the president looking to do? >> brooke, there's no way of telling how far the white house is going to go with this. we know the administration has expressed interest in expanding background checks for people trying to buy guns.
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one of the things apparent lly consideration from cnn's reporting executive action clarifying language in the federal regulations that controls who has to get a license to sell guns and subject to the requirement to do background checks so right now the regulations say you don't need a license unless you're in the business of selling guns for profit but not quite clear what in the business for profit means. as recently as last month the administration expressed interest in a number of changes that might or not not require federal legislation, including preventing people on no fly lists from obtaining firearms, closing the so-called gun show roop hole, an exemption from background checks on private sales of firearms including ones sold at gun shows. anything the administration does with teeth on it is likely going to get tied up in the courts and the president only has a year in his term so a legal battle could
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mean nothing happens. >> this is red meat on the trail for republicans. we'll talk about that later as well. joesons thank you very much, my friend. let me let you all know this is huge here on cnn, president obama will be joining anderson cooper for a live town hall specifically on gun control thursday night, 8:00 eastern right here on cnn, and we will be there that afternoon at george mason university and virginia ahead of that, big day here on cnn and the country. coming up next a young mayor assassinated hours after taking office, killed in front of her family. hear who is being accused in her murder. plus breaking news from wall street today, look at this, the dow plunging down 400 points. we're just a tick over an hour before the closing we will. hear who has investors very nervous on this first monday of the new year. this is brad. his day of coaching begins with knee pain, when... hey brad, wanna trade the all day relief of two aleve for six tylenol? what's the catch? there's no catch. you want me to give up my two aleve for six tylenol?
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as promised we were having a conversation with joe johns in washington about specifically the executive action that the president will be making at some point with regard to gun control in this country, he was just meeting with u.s. he were to loretta lynch in washington. here's a look at that. >> happy new year, everybody. before the new year mentioned that i had given charge to my attorney general, the deputy director at the atf and personnel at my white house to work together to see what more we could do to prevent the scourge of gun violence in this country. i think everybody here is all too familiar with the statistics. we have tens of thousands of people every single year who are killed by guns. we have suicides that are
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committed pi firearms at a rate that far exceeds other countries. we have a frequency of mass shootings that far exceeds other countries in frequency, and although it is my strong belief that for us to get our complete arms around the problem, congress needs to act. what i asked my team to do is to see what more we can do to strengthen our enforcement and prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands, to make sure that criminals, people who are mentally enstable and those who could pose a danger to themselves or others are less likely to get a gun. and i have just received back a report from attorney general lynch, director comey, as well as deputy director brandon about some of the ideas and
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initiatives that they think can make a difference, and the good news is, is that these are not only recommendations that are well within my legal authorities and the executive branch but there are also ones that the overwhelming majority of the american people, including gun owners, support and believe it. so over the next several days we'll be rolling out these initiatives. we'll be making sure that people have a very clear understanding of what can make a difference and what we can do, and although we have to be very clear that this is not going to solve every violent crime in this country, it's not going to prevent every mass shooting. it's not going to keep every gun out of the hands of a criminal. it will potentially save lives in this country, and spare families the pain and the
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extraordinary loss that they've suffered as a consequence of a firearm being in the hands of the wrong people. i'm also confident that the recommendations that are being made by my team here are ones that are entirely consistent with the second amendment and people's lawful right to bear arms, and we've been very careful recognizing that although we have a strong tradition of gun ownership in this country that even those who possess firearms for hunting, for self-protection, and for other legitimate reasons, want to make sure that the wrong people don't have them for the wrong reasons. so i want to say how much i appreciate the outstanding work that the team's done, and work over the holidays to get this set of recommendations to me, and i'm looking forward to
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speaking with the american people over the next several days in more detail. okay? thank you very much, everyone. >> thank you. >> with that we go to michelle kosinski with more on how this is extremely significant, in his final year, second term to do this, executive action, specifically on guns. we have all been here and covered all of these shootings. at the same time one has to presume this will lead to some sort of, you know, legal challenge from the other side. >> yes, that was a very long statement that didn't really give us any detail on how far exactly the president determined he's able to go, the law. you heard him say he believes this is well within his legal authority, that rays some questions there. is he going to expand background checks to the point it will include large numbers of people
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who are not included right now or is it recommendation or guidelines? he said he beliefs this will prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands and it will protect second amendment rights. there are plenty of questions out there. we know that background checks are what he's going to target. again, the question is, what exactly that will entail in detail. i mean, he's been wanting to do this for years. background checks themselves have been brought up in bipartisan bills that haven't gone anywhere in congress, and the white house didn't waste another opportunity to really slam congress today for not acting before. i think it's remarkable, when you look at the support out there, pretty broad support, even among republicans, even among gun owners, to expand background checks. when you look at gun control as a whole and making the laws more strict in general, america's still deeply split on this issue, and lately, slightly more than half, that number's been
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growing, are opposed to making the laws more strict. but i think what was interesting to hear was that he's going to unveil this over the course of days, he said, and he mentioned initiatives plural, so that indicates it's not just about background checks. it could extend into other areas like additional funding for agencies to enforce existing laws, maybe as has been recommended and speculated, more tracking by the atf of guns that are lost and stolen, maybe even expanding gun bans on people who have been convicted of domestic violence. it just remains to be seen, but we expect we're going to start hearing some of these details by tomorrow, brooke? >> we'll wait for the details. michelle, thank you so much. just a reminder to all of you, as guns is truly a focus as part of the national conversation this week, president obama will be joining anderson cooper this thursday for a live town hall on gun control specifically. do not miss this. 8:00 eastern here on cnn.
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we continue on hour two, you're watching cnn, i'm brooke pald win. thank you for being with me. today the official start of the election year and for the first time in the presidential race bill clinton, here he is, out on the campaign trail stumping for his wife. though he didn't mention donald trump by name he seemed to respond to trump and trump's plan to temporarily ban muslims from entering the united states. >> the third thing the election is about is how we'll keep america safe and still keep it america, preserve our individual liberties and our reputation for being an open country, our belief in diversity, and our understanding that one of our great meal tickets in the next 20 years is going to be there's
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somebody here from everywhere else. >> that was bill clinton today. meantime donald trump has been making it crystal clear he has zero problem tossing around bill clinton's name. he was speaking to chris cuomo on "new day" talking about why clinton's past improprieties are fair game with regard to his wife's campaign. >> well it's very simple. they during the course of the debate and many other times she was talking about used the word sexist, i'm sexist, and she was using very sort of dragtory terms. i said how the hell can she do that when she's got one of the great women abusers of all-time sitting at her house waiting for her to come home to dinner. >> in the past you said the impeachment process against him didn't make sense and monica lewinsky didn't make sense. >> as a businessman, i get along with everybody. it was important to defend people -- it was important for
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me to get along with the clintons. >> jeff zelaney is live, ma manu raju live in burlington, iowa, following senator rubio's campaign. great to see both of you. when you listen to bill clinton i listen to what he's saying and also what he's not. what did you hear today? >> reporter: bill clinton did not take trump's bait. he knows the pitfalls anything he says would be magnified. of course we're remembering that right now, eight years ago today hillary clinton woke up and saw she was third place winner, third place finisher in the iowa caucuses. that set sup bill clinton in 2008 on rather sharp comments about barack obama. those hung over that campaign in
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its entirety, the same thing would happen in this campaign if if bill clinton would go after donald trump. the clinton advisers and strategists believe that's exactly what donald trump is trying to do, trying sort of to bait them a little bit. he did not do that at all today but had an interesting sort of outlook on this republican field and he's watching this campaign very closely. let's take a listen. >> sometimes i follow this debate in the presidential elections, especially when i watch the other guys debating, and i think you know, i don't fit any more. first of all, i'm a happy grandfather and i'm not mad at anybody, and secondly, i thought an election is supposed to be a job interview. >> reporter: soil clinton says an election is supposed to be a job interview and went on to say voters should pay close attention to what the
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republicans candidates are saying. all of them will do exactly what they're pledging to do. having bill clinton out on the campaign trail, it may give ang zeit, heart burn to some democrats because it brings everything up. on the whole he's the most popular figure inside this party, certainly a helpful figure to hillary clinton. >> let's talk marco rubio feeling it a little bit today because of this you know, super pack supporting senator ted cruz. look at this.
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>> i you know i have a debate but i have to get this fantasy football right. >> manu talk to me more about this and important to bring up the context of the fantasy football line from marco rubio and how that camp is responding. >> they're pushing back hard. the spokesman for marco rubio said this is a distraction how ted cruz voted cut defense spending and gut the nation's intelligence programs and that's not far from what marco rubio said in new hampshire, he delivered a speech on national security said isis is employees lobbyists that supported the law that some republicans who voted to overhaul national security and intelligence programs, he suggested marco rubio supported that, that ted cruz supported that on the campaign trail.
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he astressed a crowd in burlington, iowa, part of an escalating feud between the two camps. both camps see each other as an impediment to getting to the republican nomination for president and rubio can't believe to come up with an upset and that's why we see the disruption between the two camps. >> marco rubio speaking over your right shoulder thanks so much, we're all over the trail, first monday 2016 let's go. republican presidential candidate chris christie has just commented on bill clinton's first solo campaign appearance for his wife, governor christie started with a little sarcasm and then turned somber. >> let us remember that despite all that you heard today in
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nashua and will see tonight undoubtedly on the news from president clinton about his wife i'd suggest to you he's not the most objective source, and that it is time for us to open our eyes. and view the world as we see it is. it is a dark and dangerous place right now. >> with me now, kathy obradovich from "the des moines register" and david chalian, great cnn political director. happy new year. >> happy new year. >> david to you first. everyone and their mother is in iowa right now, less than a month before february 1 and the
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caucuses and i love something you said earlier, you know, if you're trying to predict exactly which way this race is going to go, to quote you, you're lying. >> true. i think we entered this sort of home stretch these final four weeks this sprint to the iowa caucuses less certain about sort of how the nomination process is going to unfold than we have in cycles past. chris christie inserted himself into the news cycle because he understood that with bill clinton in new hampshire making his first solo trip for hillary clinton that all -- >> we'd be talking about it. >> all the television stations would cover that and chris christie found a way by commenting that to make sure he was part of the story today as well. >> kathy, ted cruz is in your state for a solid week, certainly rising in the polls reportedly just hired huckabee's former person, we're scratching
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our heads around that. now we know. what do you think, they're on the ground covering politics, and what will it take to give him or any of the candidates the final special surge. >> yes, so the old saying in iowa, you have to organize, organize, organize and get hot at the end. what all of these candidates are trying to do is make sure that they're hot in iowa at the end. ted cruz went into the holidays with a lead but he's got to hold onto that for a month before caucus night. donald trump has led in iowa until recently and it looks like he's in a battle for first place with ted cruz. this discussion between ted cruz and marco rubio, all of these people are trying to get one of the coveted three tickets out of iowa that helps launch candidates not ohm to the nomination but to the presidency. >> what about we were looking at chris christie in new hampshire
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but david, we know that first it seemed his campaign was all new hampshire, new hampshire, new hampshire, and now apparently they're splitting time between iowa, new hampshire and i wonder do you think he thinks he has a shot there? >> no, i think what you're going to see -- sorry, kathy. >> sorry, david. i didn't mean to cut in on you either. i think he thinks he has a shot in iowa. he has some establishment support from terry branstedt's people, the main stream republican governor of iowa and you know, he is i think getting bigger crowds here and also seeing i think an opportunity to do better than people expect in the mainstream republican lane. it's not necessarily whether you win but who you beat in iowa. >> i think chris christie is still a new hampshire or bust candidate. i really don't think iowa is a big part of his path to the nomination necessarily but i think it is important what kathy is saying there. it's not always about just going in to win.
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he wants to be ahead of marco rubio, ahead of jeb bush, ahead of john kasich in that establishment alternative to trump and cruz wing of the party, and one way to make sure that marco rubio doesn't sort of rocket out of iowa with momentum headed to new hampshire, which is the most important state for chris christie is to try to keep your eye on marco rubio in iowa and stay there and have enough of a presence there to provide enough of an option from that wing that marco rubio doesn't soak up all that market share. >> david, staying with you, 20,000 foot view. we'll be talking with about iowa for the next 28 days. in the end whoever gets the nomination how much does iowa matter? >> it matters a lot. they don't always vote and produce the actual guy or gal that ends up in the oval office but it is a whittling process and the momentum out of iowa is huge. people say what about president mike huckabee or president rick santorum? i understand they didn't make it
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to the nomination but it was an integral part to the process as john mccain and mitt romney did make their process to the nomination. that test is real and no less important this time around. >> you mentioned santorum coming on in a matter of minutes, would still like to be president. thank you so, so much. come up next, more breaking news the armed activists, these protesters holding this government building hostage, this federal government building hostage in organize oh, just listed their demands. why aren't the feds really doing anything? it's a lot to unpack there. also a possible game changer in the war against isis. here you now have saudi arabia cutting all ties with iran, as protesters have set fire to the saudi embassy in tehran. what could happen next and might the u.s. step in? and is this masked terrorist the new face of isis? a chilling new video surfaced with a warning specifically to the west. i'm brooke baldwin.
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they are armed and they have taken over a federal government building and they say they are prepared to defend themselves if necessary. i'm talking about the group of anti-government protesters essentially hunkered down at the federal wildlife refuge in oregon. let me back up the situation started saturday with a rally in support of two ranchers, that rally has since turned into an armed occupation, these ranchers by the way dwight and steven hammond are set to report to prison at any moment today, to serve time for arson.
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the father and son were convicted on setting fires on federal land but want to point out the hammonds have now distanced themselves from the armed proest testeprotesters. paul we heard last hour from this group, who have apparently now have a name, they have a news conference, tell us more about who they are. >> well, brooke, as you pointed out there was a rally in town. they splintered off from the rally. one thing that's clear is, here at this sort of protest or occupation, they all do agree that the hammonds should not be facing these indictment charges going to prison again for arson on their own property. where the division is a lot of people in the town say they don't think this was the best way to go about it. the leader of this group, ammon bundy came up a short time ago and clarified for us what he thinks his group should be called. less' listen. >> you have asked us for what is
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our name, and other than just citizens that care and feel like it's time that we make a stand, to protect our human rights, we didn't really know what to say, but we felt that we'd give ourselves a name, at least so that we could be reported that way, and we could be more organized in that effort, and that would be citizens for constitutional freedom. our purpose as we have shown is to restore and defend the constitution. >> reporter: ammon bundy thinks the federal government overreached its bounds here and throughout the united states saying that way too much land is owned by the federal government and not the states, and not individual ranchers, wants to see more of that turned back in that direction. he vowed a peaceful protest.
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so far it has been. even if you look above here, you'll see that in that tower there's somebody sort of keeping watch over all of this, and when we went down into the compound, one story buildings unassuming, we did not see anybody brandishing any weapons, nobody was threatening anything, and on the other side, this might be described as a standoff but there certainly are no law enforcement officers of any type involved in the standoff right now and talking to people off camera, local ranchers support these guys for defending their neighbors, the hammonds, but they think all of this is just a little weird was the word one man used. brooke? >> talking to someone else who lives in the area and he said i have no idea who these people are. paul thanks for being with. we bring in danny colson he commanded the fbi division in oregon and dealt with all the different individuals involved in this armed protest. danny, perhaps you can help us answer the question of the who
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but also the why. what i'm curious about is, it's not a standoff because to have a standoff you have to have the other side present and from what i understand there nor law enforcement on the ground. the feds are monitoring but what is the strategy in this non-response response from law enforcement? >> reporter: i think it's the perfect response here. >> tell me why. >> as to who they are, well, first of all, you don't want to heighten tension here, and these individuals have not committed a crime except for the two arsonists. they're here to demonstrate for a cause that many people support and i think the fact that they have guns could be problematic, but as long as law enforcement low keys this thing, downplays it, lets them have their day in court so to speak, let them speak to the media, let them give their cause statement, and then when it comes to it, the fbi needs to negotiate with these people and they have a lot of experience negotiating with groups like this. i negotiated with them many, many years ago, and face-to-face negotiation with an experienced
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agent who want to defuse this situation who probably has the same maybe the same goals that they do, a constitutional america, but doesn't exactly like the way they're going about it. so i think that the least, probably less here is more and better, as opposed too rolling in heavily armed people at this time. it's just not -- hasn't gotten that situation yet. >> but and correct me, but is hunkering down in this federal wildlife refuge, this is a federal building, therefore, is that not illegal? >> it is illegal. you have to use common sense here. there are a lot of things that are illegal but is it worth an armed intervention to resolve it? in my view i'm thinking it's not. the way to do this is to defuse it. the fbi's dealt with these people in montana, arkansas, all over the world, all over the united states i should say and most of the time they come out the right way as long as you negotiate, negotiate in goode faith, let them have their voice be heard by the media, and then
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they will go away after a while, they'll get tired of being there and want to get a cigarette, want to get something to eat and they'll actually -- it happens. they'll go away. >> we laugh about that, and eventually it will be over but then i remember covering that nevada ranch standoff, what was that 2014, the father bundy, armed protesters and 1,000 people showed up and folks were tasered and so i have to imagine law enforcement has what happened then in the back of their heads as they're responding to this. >> i think they do, and taserring somebody that gets disruptive on the perimeter is a lot different from having a fire fight. they don't want it. these people keep talking about people are going to die. i think they're saying that, they never seen people die. it's one thing to be dramatic. it's another thing to be realistic, and after a while, they have businesses, they have ranches to run and i think if we do it the right way, the fbi will, law enforcement is professional in oregon. i was out there for many years, they'll defuse this thing and
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these people will go back about their business and everybody will be okay. >> all right, danny colson we shall see thank you so much. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> happy new year. >> you, too. come up, riddled with secret tunnels and bombs. cnn looks inside ramadi days after it was liberated from isis control and next, talking presidential candidate, who knows what it takes to win the iowa caucuses, rick santorum will join me here on set to talk about the state of the race, the campaign, and which republican candidate he is now going after. be right back.
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28 days, four weeks from right now we will get the poll that blows every other poll you've heard of so far, talking about the iowa caucuses they're your first official tally showing which presidential kaepts are leading in the race for nominations. rick santorum is pushing big time with the new tv ad. take note of who you see in the first ten seconds. >> i like green eggs and ham. >> ted cruz is wonderful at reading children's fairytales on the senate floor. rick santorum spent his time in the senate a little differently, eight years on the senate armed services committee, helping to modernize today's army to better be prepared for today's threats. santorum also wrote in passed tough laws putting harsh
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sanctions on iran and for more than a decade rick santorum has been a leader taking on radical islam. >> not all muslims are jihadists and no one could say that but the reality a jihadists are muslims. >> you want someone to read one hell of a bedtime story, krzs is your guy. if you want to defeat isis, rick santorum is your president because serious times need serious people. >> i'm rick santorum and i approve this message. >> here he is, republican presidential candidate rick santorum. senator, great to see you. welcome back. >> happy to be here. >> all right so everyone you could have chosen to hit in this ad you chose the texas? th there. tell me why. >> i think the contrast is the greatest. there's someone who really has a couple of years of senate experience before he announced he ran for president and i think the race right now is really coming down to who is going to keep us safe, who is the president that you can trust,
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number one, to take on the radicals that we're fighting up against but number two, just as importantly as republicans, who can take on a former secretary of state, former first lady, someone who is experienced in this area and has the bona fides to get up there and go toe to toe so we can win this election. not just what you can do as president but how you get to be president and experience is an important thing. >> you point out the experience word multiple times and pointed out in this ad and all your years in the senate working for the people, but it seems in this particular race experience is backfiring. >> i know. >> you look at how well the trumps and even senator cruz is doing. >> for now. >> but it's been going on that way for months and months. >> it has, and i keep coming back to four years ago, 75% of iowans made up their mind the last month. 50% in the last week and i think a lot of that when i look at it from four years ago a lot of that was just people going through the process of really analyzing all the candidates and they get serious about it at the end. now you even heard some of the
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other candidates today talk about entertainer-in-chief and it is more of an entertainment phase of the campaign. >> referencing donald trump. >> no, all the other candidates. who is the interesting personality, the interesting character. we saw a lot of people already in this campaign rise and fall and sort of have their moment but i think in the end, what iowans have proven to do over the past is really get serious about who is the right person on the issue? who has the experience? who is someone question trust? who is someone authentic? that's why we put the ad up, because it's time to get serious about who you want your presidential candidate to be. it's time to look about who is the right person to be president, not just who potentially is entertaining. >> on that, you bring up the entertainer-in-chief, marco rubio and chris christie used the phrase referring to trump as enterta entertainer-in-chief. could he be the next person you take on in an ad, would you go there? >> i would say that you look at
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who is being rewarded in the early phases of the campaign. it's the interesting personalities. >> you don't want to say his name, do you? >> well, i mean -- because it's not just trump. i think others, ben carson was rewarded, carly fiorina. there are others who have had their moment and not proven to be able to hold onto that move. i give trump credit the fact he has been able to hold onto a lot of the votes but again i don't think we're at the, we've gone through the phase of the campaign where people have gotten to the brass tacks and that's why we decided to run this ad now, just to get people, okay it's time to get serious who the candidate is going to be and who is prepared to do this job. >> bill clinton today out solo on the trail in new hampshire, obviously stumping for his wife. i'm sure you've seen all of this donald trump said about him, bringing up past improprieties saying it's fair game on the trail from what happened, some moons ago. do you think it's fair game to
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go there and bring up monica lew lewinsky and everything else? >> i think in his circumstance, he thinks it is because he's being attacked as a sexist, and the like, so he's saying well, you know, pot calling the kettle black. >> is it pertinent in the 2016 race? >> i don't think either attack is a relevant attack. that's why i ran on national security and talked about what the president of the united states' job is really to keep us safe, the first and foremost thing we need to be worried about and need someone who the enemy fears and our allies trust and the american people can rely upon and all of these other peripheral things, that's what you get into when you are can't having serious discussions about serious issues. >> okay, speaking of serious issue, you've been watching what's happening in oregon. >> yes. >> the armed militia, these protesters hunkering down in a federal building in an issue that goes back years over federal land. what do you think of the militia members? >> i certainly don't like the tactics they're using but i
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didn't like the tactics occupy wall street was using, they were taking over land, city land and government land and occupying that for quite some period of time. >> these guys are armed. >> well, armed or not armed, no one's fired any shots, no one's threatening to shoot anybody. this is a situation that has to be handled just like unfortunately they had to handle the occupy wall street, you sit down, negotiate, you don't want to spark a confrontation. we have no idea what the occupy people had and what they were willing to do to hurt and confront police. it could have been a volatile situation and avoided by patience. >> if you were president how would you handle it? >> i think patience is the appropriate way. folks who have legitimate grievances with the government. you could make the argument occupy wall street had grievances about income inequality and we have room for protesters, we have room for people exercising their rights. at the same time there are consequences that have to be paid for people who do break the law and that's where the negotiation process is, but
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going through a situation where someone is going to get hurt because of their protesting their government and the government's activity, that's not a good solution. >> okay. senator thank you. >> all right, brooke. you bet. >> appreciate it. a quick reminder, president obama will be joining anderson cooper this thursday for a live town hall on violence in america, that is thursday night, 8:00 eastern here on cnn. coming up next, could he be the new face of isis? the possible successor to the terrorists known as jihadi john in what counter-terror analysts are saying about this militant and message to the west. the dow plunging down 389 points, bell ringing in just about 20 minutes from now. stay with us. we'll find out what has investors so jittery on this first monday of the new year. rs aren't moving in the right direction, it can be a burden. but what if you could wake up to lower blood sugar? imagine loving your numbers. discover once-daily invokana®.
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terrorism. that's why he's calling for a temporary shutdown of muslims entering the united states until we can figure out what's going on. he'll quickly cut the head off isis, and take their oil, and he'll stop illegal immigration by building a wall on our southern border that mexico will pay for. >> we will make america great again. >> all right, dana bash, let me bring you in, and you get to tell me exactly what's up with that video on immigration. >> well, politifact which of course is the organization that tries to keep candidates honest, that's what they do full time they just published something that the portion that you just talked about of the ad that is supposed to show immigration, it says you see there, just says stop illegal immigration, where the narrator talks about building a wall at the southern border, turns out that particular picture is from morocco. it is from the beginning of,
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excuse me, may of 2014, when about 800 people or so tried to get from morocco in africa into spain, and so it is not mexico. it is morocco, about 5,000 miles away. now, the trump campaign has responded saying that it was intentional, that they did it on purpose. >> why? >> in order to show, they say in order to show what would happen to america if there is an open border without a wall, that they did it on purpose and of course, in the very next sentence going after the biased mainstream media for not understanding that, but politifact actually goes through the winding road of this footage, which started out on italian tv and then it went, resurfaced on a republica tv video and ended up in donald trump's ad. now, whether they took it from the original source or whether they got it off the internet, we don't know, but they are saying that they intentionally did this
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in order to show what it would look like. however, that certainly wasn't mentioned in the ad which is why politifact brought it up. it is supposed to be at least the viewer looking at it would think that's the border between the u.s. and mexico. >> okay. okay, dana bash, thank you. >> thanks, brooke. coming up next, iraqi relationship, now hitting a boiling point. saudi arabia cutting all ties with iran after a weekend of heated protests. other countries taking sides in the high stakes rift. what it means for the u.s. fight against isis, oil prices, and a region already on edge. fareed zakaria joins me next.
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iranian diplomats, hostility truly reaching a head after sunni dominated saudi arabia executed 47 people in one single day including a prominent shiite cleric, a move that infuriated shia dominated iran sparking this fiery protest erupting at the saudi embassy in tehran. in the fallout, bahrain and sudan joined saudi arabia in severing diplomatic ties with iran while the united arab emirates cut some ties as well. fareed zakaria, of fareed zakaria gps is joining me to help give the perspective, you know, the ground view of the 20,000 foot view and i think it's important as we were just discussing in commercial break to talk about it's surface maneuvering, right, as you phrased it, to a real back ground religious war between the sunni and the shia. explain that. >> so if you look at whenever we got involved we invaded iraq and it seemed like things didn't work out very well. syria is crumbling. what's happening in yemen.
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all these things are really surface maneuvers. the big story in the middle east is the shia versus the sunni. this is their version of protestants, catholics, call it what you will, but that's really what's happening. so in iraq it is a shia dominated government friendly to iran, and there are sunni insurgeon sis against it. in syria you have a quasi-shia government and sunni militancies and insurgent sis against it. saudi arabia if you will is spearheading the sunni side. the iranians are spearheading the shia side. they're fighting in all these various places. the wonder it took so long for something direct to happen because they've been indirectly fighting proxy wars now for ten years. >> so while all of this is going on, and this is a key region i'm also thinking of course with regard to syria and saudi arabia and iran and their different interests and backing different groups in syria, u.s.-led
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coalition against isis, how does what's happening here between iran and saudi arabia factor into what's happening in syria? >> so more mess, more chaos, less chance of a solution. because, you know, syria is sort of dozens and dozens of different groups all fighting against each other, but the one hope had been you'd be able to get some kind of agreement if you will a side supporting the assad regime and the side supporting many of the sunni insurgents and militant groups, well that's saudi arabia and iran. they're now not talking to each other. just a week ago for the first time they had begun to talk to each other. so it suggests to me that syria is going to become more chaotic and less likely for us to find a political solution. you know, john kerry is out there trying to do something on this front. but if you don't have the iranians and the saudis at the table together, very difficult to see how you get any kind of solution. you know, this really all does
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suggest it is a big, messy civil war taking place in the middle east. and for all those who think that the united states with a few bombs here or with some special forces there with a no-fly zone is going to be able to change the trajectory of events, just watch this. what you're watching is something like europe's religious wars play itself out. >> so, you know, geographic perspective they don't border each other, the idea of any sort of escalation to military conflict you say not possible. >> between saudi arabia and iran directly probably unlikely. but remember, they are sort of fighting in yemen. they are -- there are saudi-backed militias in syria that are fighting iranians. you know, so there are places where there are conflicts, most particularly in yemen. i don't think there will be a direct confrontation, but, you know, it could get messier and messier in a place like bahrain. you notice that bahrain, which
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is a small gulf state that is very pro-saudi because it depends on saudi arabia for assistance, bahrain is majority shiite. it has a sunni monarchy that has sided with saudi arabia, but it's majority shiite. saudi arabia itself has 15% shiite within saudi arabia there in the eastern province which is where all the oil is in saudi arabia. so this could get a lot messier even if you don't have a direct conflict. >> so what does -- i mean, saudi arabia's been a long-time ally of the united states. at the same time though you think of the nuclear deal that the u.s. just did with iran, and again what iran is doing with regard to syria. so does the u.s. sit back for a minute? or does the u.s. jump in? >> i think that saudi arabia has been a steadfast u.s. ally for a long time. in these situations the saudis are much more likely to support american interests. so i think in general the u.s. should be supportive of saudi
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arabia. the problem is this, at the end of the day it is america's support for saudi arabia for regimes like general el sisi in egypt, these fueled islamic fundamentalism and terrorism. what these guys say is look at the united states. it's supporting all these regimes that oppress us. so it's a double edge sword where, you know, we do need to support saudi arabia. on the other hand, you know, it has created this long-term problem of placing the united states as target number one, enemy number one for all these islamic fundamentalists. and remember, saudi arabia is no paragon of liberty. saudi arabia has some of the most represssive aggressive ruls in the world. it is medieval functioning in the 21st century. >> it is so important to talk
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thanks, brooke. 28 days until the first votes are cast. 28, tick tock, people. "the lead" starts right now. in case you missed any of the, let's call them outrageous proposals donald trump made on the campaign trail in 2015, well, he's compiled a greatest hits album for you in the form of his first able -- first-ever campaign tv commercial. a showdown between the two muslim superpowers in the middle
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east, iran and saudi arabia. a showdown that could result in an all-out holy war at its very worst. other nations now taking sides. where will the u.s. fall? and how much will this complicate the war on isis? plus, wild, wild west. an anti-government gang fully armed seizes control of a federal building and threaten they are ready to use their guns. they call themselves patriots. their online critics have dubbed them, y'allqaeda. welcome to "the lead." happy new year. i'm jake tapper. all of that ahead but we are going to begin 2016 with some breaking news in the money lead. shock waves from china sending global stocks on freefall to begin the year. dropping more than 460 points earlier today, let's go right to cnn's alison kosik at the new york stock exchange. alison, what happened today?
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>> jake, you know as bad as the selloff looks as we watch the closing bell ring right now, you can certainly call the dow the comeback kid because the dow closing down only 280 points as opposed to 468 that we saw earlier today. most of this being caused by what happened in china overnight. a blood bath in the markets there. so bad that stocks in china are falling so fast and so much they went ahead and closed the market so everybody could take a breath. you know, there's a saying here on wall street, if china starts to sneeze, we could get a cold. meaning what happens in china could bleed over here into the u.s., meaning their slowdown. that's the worry we felt here in the market today. and there's a reality to that because china is one of the u.s.'s biggest trading partners. and a lot of u.s. companies have big exposure in china. household names like apple and tiffany, walmart and starbucks. so you saw that worry flow through the market. although this isn't a new worry, so