tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN January 4, 2016 8:00pm-9:01pm PST
thanks for watching. see you tomorrow. "ac 360" right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. happy new year. we begin with breaking news. president obama says he's taking action on gun control and hinted he was and we have details. michelle kaczynski joins us from the white house. what do we know? >> reporter: you really see administration trying to make as many changes as possible but because these are executive actions and not acts of congress, immediately, you see the limits they are up against. the changes are presented as guidance or propels or encouragement by no means are these new laws. the biggest deal is background checks. administration says if you are
in the business of selling guns, whether two guns a year or 200,000 guns, whether you're doing it at a gun show or on the dark web, you need a license to do so and your buyers need background checks. there will be harsh penalties if you don't do that but there is a big question out there, how is the federal government going to make you do that and who is going to find you if you don't? also, mental health information and domestic violence. they are urging them to put that information into the background system and enforcement is a question, i mean, this is encouragement we're talking about. the white house wants to beef up the background check system itself and have much more funding from mental health treatment but ultimately congress needs to approve that funding, anderson. >> what kind of an impact do they think these actions will have in preventing gun crime? >> reporter: they put a big
caveat out there. they know this will not prevent every crime but if you can prevent one, why not? how many criminals with criminal intent are buying their guns from establishments that are going to register in the first place? and of course, if somebody doesn't have anything on their background to check, then going through a legitimate background check isn't going to turn up anything and opponents point out in the mass shootings recently here in this country, many of those guns were purchased legally and the buyers went through that background check system. >> more on this later. campaign 2016 officially campaign 2016 and that's not the only big milestone as the candidates make upwards or 20 campaign stops today chris crossing new hampshire and iowa and states nearby. take a look. leaders in the republican race, donald trump and ted cruz holding late events tonight. another milestone is less than a
month until the first vote. the iowa caucuses and yet another big development, the first campaign appearance by bill clinton. he's one of the most effective campaigners in modern memory and as donald trump is pointing out a man with a tangled past. >> you look at whether it's monica lewinsky or paula jones or any of them and that certainly will be fair game. >> donald trump last tuesday calling president clinton sexual history fair game but keeping them honest, he once believed the exact opposite. chris cuomo asked what changed between then and now. >> as a businessman, i would always stick up for various people whether friends or not because in many cases i needed them, i needed their votes to get things done. >> so what you're saying is that back then when you needed them, you were okay with what bill clinton is doing but now that you want to take votes from his wife, you're not okay. >> no, they called me sexist -- >> yeah, they called you that because of what you said about
women -- >> she comes out and starts going -- and the reason that happened, chris, was very simple. the reason that happened is because i'm doing very well in the polls. in some polls i'm beating you and i think i'm going to beat her easily if i get the nomination. >> i understand. >> that remains of course, to be seen so does bill clinton's impact on the campaign trail and as far as die-hard democrats are concerned, there are reasons why he's called the big dog. >> i think this election is about restoring broadly shared prosperity. rebuilding the middle class. >> reporter: bill clinton on the campaign trail trying to keep the focus on the iissues, speaking for about 30 minutes without acknowledging donald trump's personal attacks focussing instead on his wife's credentials. >> everything she touched, she
made better. >> reporter: if bill clinton isn't talking about trump's comments regarding infidelities, supporters are. >> what about the fact trump is attacking him? is it fair to attack a spouse like this about these issues? >> well, if he wants to attack, i remember the expression about people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. i think that he needs to watch where he steps because his personal history is not stellar, and it's really petty. >> reporter: that may be true, but donald trump is breathing new life into bill clinton's personal affairs. tossing about names like monica lewinsky and paula jones. it all began after trump used the word shlonged referring to mrs. clinton's 2008 loss to barack obama. she said trump had a pension for sexism. he's turning those words against her and her husband. >> i hit her back and talked about her husband and the abuse
of women and the tremendous abuse. no, it's tremendous abuse. >> he's not an abuser of women. i know he has a bad history and i wish that didn't happen but i don't know of situations he denigrated women. >> reporter: do extra marital affairs have a place in the campaign? >> i don't think so. i think the public is really concerned about world affairs and the economy and kids being able to go to college. >> reporter: most here are looking to the former president to energize the base, even those still undecided told me whatever mr. clinton did, even his impeachment is old news. >> scandal, does that have a place on the campaign trail? >> it will get played up but it's almost old news. i mean, he did what he did. that might be a little trouble with the women vote, maybe. but, donald trump has the same problems. i think it will be a wash. >> randi kaye joins us from new hampshire will bill clinton wrapped up speaking.
did any voters say how they think he should respond to donald trump's colts or how they think he should respond? >> reporter: anderson, i asked if anybody should engage donald trump and the general comment was no. one woman saying nobody can win a street fight with the billionaire candidate donald trump so it's best to leave it alone. these people don't care about the scandals and don't want to hear about it and want to know how to pay for college tuition and mortgage and if they will have a job. bill clinton was at his best saying the right things. he talked a great deal about what a great candidate hillary clinton is but also, anderson, revisited their bond and love affair. he said that he's -- she's the same person that he fell in love with 40 something years ago. she hasn't changed and she is the best candidate for president. >> randy, thanks very much. joining us is cnn political
commentator, donna brazil and jeffrey lord. he's a trump supporter and former regan white house political director and also with us, analyst and investigative analyst carl bernstein and the life of hillary rodham clinton. is putting bill clinton out on the campaign trail despite the political baggage that republicans like to point to? is it a net plus for hillary clinton's campaign? >> this will be an epic battle this coming election and clinton will be out there and the issue in the election will be the clintons, as far as republicans are concerned and so sure, they want to get clinton out there and they want to hit this stuff early and respond to it but it's really about the general election, not about these primaries. there is going to be plenty of time but there is a concern among clinton supporters the so-called circus is back in the arena, back in the political arena and too much attention is going to be devoted by the enemies of the clinton family to his past behavior. it's a problem. >> well, donna, how big a problem is it? bill clinton wouldn't respond to
donald trump on the campaign trail and hillary clinton said the same thing. at some point, though, does he have to respond or is the fact that he's not responding a sign that he doesn't know how to respond? >> i think i'm the only one on this panel that understands the importance of having a former president with reach and ability to communicate very complex ideas to ordinary people. bill clinton is a tremendous asset, not just to hillary clinton's campaign, to democratic party, progressives and i think the country. he's a tremendous asset, and she is going to use him, i believe, in the ways and ways that will help her campaign to reach out to voters who might still be on the line. maybe leaning towards mr. sanders or mr. o'malley. i think bill clinton will be able to survive the so-called attacks by donald trump and let me just say this, bill clinton's conduct back in the 1990s did
not hurt hillary clinton's chances of winning twice. the united states senator from the state of new york becoming secretary of state, she's on the ballot this election is about the future of the republicans want to go back and dig in the trash pile, let them do it because they have nothing else but trash talkers. >> jeffrey, i mean donald trump has been obviously very critical of bill clinton this time around running now obviously before he was and spending a lot of time talking about him. is it mistake given that trump needs to win the nomination or again, is this just another example of trump sort of making headlines and setting the agenda? >> no, i don't think it's a mistake and i think one of the things, it was very interesting in listening to randi's report and asking people if they thought that bill clinton should get into this, should respond. i think what donald trump has done here very smartly is put an end to the whole war on women business. >> oh, no. >> i don't think that will come up again.
if it does come up again, i think we know, you know, where donald trump will go with it. but i think that this was ashot across the bow. that was phony from start to finish anyway but used very effectively and i think now there is going to be a reluctance to use it. >> donna, i see you shaking your head. does this make it harder to use that whole idea, which is something she talked about donald trump is having a pension for sexism. does this blunt her ability to do that? >> when you attack megyn kelly, when you attack carly fiorina, when you attack a woman's access to reproductive health services and say women don't deserve equal pay, this is no amount of criticism that donald trump or any person will, you know, insult him -- that will stop women from speaking for themselves, speaking up for other women, especially poor women and girls. jeffrey, i have a breaking news. we're going to fight for our right to have a seat at the table and we're not going to let one man, including a billionaire
-- >> donna. >> and use derogatory, vulgar language to describe how hillary clinton lost. that was demeaning, not just to secretary clinton and yes, demeaning to -- >> can i get in the middle here and suggest something -- >> carl, go ahead and -- >> i'm finished. go ahead, men. >> to both my friends there that this is about a huge political argument at which the clintons themselves are the issue and the clintons themselves are going to be a huge issue in the campaign. they will be the great strength of the democrats and the great weakness of the democrats and this is all part of the record. hers as a supposed feminist and dealing with women's issues giving bill clinton's record et cetera, et cetera. we're looking at a preview of the campaign, both donna and jeffrey are right about how the ad -- advocates are going to respond but we're seeing the ugly, ugly campaign and a great cultural moment in terms of
warfare, the likes of which we haven't seen in a long time. >> jeffrey, go ahead. >> yeah, i would just say, donna says how they will stand up for women. i would hope they would stand up for juanita and more. if you don't have the right political views or demonstrated proof of things, i mean, bill clinton did have to pay a lot of money and lose his law license. if you did that, you're no longer a woman. it standard and i hope we continue the discussion. >> whether bill cosby or bill clinton or any man -- it doesn't matter jeffrey, what man you put into the picture. hillary clinton is running for president. president for the united states of america. >> right.
>> hillary clinton knows how to talk about complex issues like how we fight isis and also very important what i call cultural issues in this country, a women's place in this world and at the table and just because her husband had a mistake, okay, doesn't mean that she should be silenced in terms of talking >> donna -- s issues. >> i hope male candidates as well as female candidates talk about the importance of women. by the way, we're the majority of voters. we're the majority of college graduates. yes, we make less money. take us into a 2049 or 2054. i won't be around unless i'm you're mother and got those vitamins -- >> i'll take care of you. >> oh, baby, you know, come to find out, i might be able to take care of you. okay. anderson, the point here is that we have to talk about women's issues, we got to talk about black lives matter. we got to talk about gun
violence. president obama stated that. i do believe, carl, this election is not going to be about the past. it is going to be about the future -- >> right, but donna -- >> and whether hillary the nominee or someone else, we'll talk about the future. >> donna -- >> i think the past is part of the future. >> donna, as you know, what jeffrey and critics are pointing to is hillary clinton saying that, you know, survivors of sexual abuse of sexual assault should be listened to. there are a lot of people who are -- don't like bill clinton or point to indiscretions he's had or even what claim is made by juanita long ago saying did hillary clinton live up to that? >> you know, you know, i wasn't inside the white house and so i cannot rewrite the script or the book of what happened in the 1990s and secretary clinton's personal pain, humiliation, what she went through when you have that type of incident that occur in a marriage, i'm not married
but still, look, that doesn't mean hillary clinton -- i think we're arguing two different issues here. hillary clinton responded to the derogatory insulting vile language that donald trump used, and said he had a pension for saying these very vulgar things about women. she drew a line and donald trump came back and i think he's gone over the line but you know what? that's politics and let's go at it because you know, by the way, i'm not angelic. i'm a praying woman but i'll fight you on these issues because i believe at the end of the day under bill clinton's presidency and along with my former boss, al gore, women in this country are able to prosper, get jobs, medical leave. we want women to have access to health care. we don't want to go back to the days women had to wait for men to speak up. we're not going back. >> thank you -- >> challenge accepted. >> i'll take care of you, jeffrey.
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in a blur. you mentioned the candidates out there. iowa votes in 28 days. this is the action in february. iowa goes first on the 1st. democrats and republicans, a big state and we could lose the republican candidate. eight days later, new hampshire ad democrats and republicans, the first in the nation primary. we'll definitely lose the republican or three after the new hampshire primary without a doubt. the month rounds out, democrats and republicans couldn't agree. south carolina republicans on the 20th and that's a saturday contest. the next week, nevada republicans get their chance on the 23rd. and we round out the month with south carolina democrats on the 27th. only 4% of the democratic delegates and 5% of the republican delegates decided in
the month of february. not a huge basket when it comes to winning the nomination. february is about momentum and survival and anderson, we go into make no plans, you at home and you mr. cooper on your tuesday nights in march and saturday nights in march, they will be spent here. march is a hugely important and busy month and kicks off with what could be the most consequential day. march 1st. 13 states will vote. 1,000 democratic delegates, 600 republicans. we'll know whether bernie sanders is for real in challenging hillary clinton and we'll have a good sense by this date, march 1st, whether the republican race will get a leader or whether we'll go on. >> the gop calendar is different. the mix of states voting early. will that make a difference? >> republicans changed their calendar thinking they would make it easier to get a nominee early. that's a huge question right now. look at these states. the states i'm circling right here, virginia, tennessee, georgia, alabama, arkansas, oklahoma, texas, alaska is over there. you have wyoming up here.
these are red states, conservative states. virginia is a swing state and so is colorado but they are republican primary electrets are conservative. these states never get a say in picking the nominee. this year they will and if you think about it, do you want to be the candidate for a path to legal status when it comes to immigration down here? this is a calendar as you look today, anderson, you have to say is built for what? donald trump and ted cruz. not the republican establishment. >> john, i want to bring in a voice perhaps appropriate to the next few months, p.j. just out with a collection of his greatest hits titled "thrown on the bus" and joining us is amanda carpenter. former communications director for ted cruz. cruz seems to have the upper hand in iowa and trump in new hampshire. >> sure, ted cruz is steadily gaining in the polls. it's been a slow and steady claim because he's selling support from other conservative candidates. you saw today mike huckabee's
director who left the huckabee campaign is now joined the ted cruz campaign is notable in the state where huckabee won. so a good strange finish in iowa and new hampshire and finish number two and three and go strong into south carolina but the cruise campaign is focused on the primary. donald trump is focused on florida and oddly michigan and so i think cruz' strategy is paying off but this is -- we really need to see what happens to the so-called moderate and establishment candidates. they need to windle it down to one or two. there is a lot of movement in that segment of the race. new hampshire will be extraordinarily interesting. it will be a killing field for those candidates. jeb bush, marco rubio, chris christie and john kasich put a lot at stake in that state so only one or two will emerge and reset the whole playing field. >> p.j. you're in new hampshire now.
how do you see it playing out there? >> well, i think you shouldn't really pay too much attention to new hampshire primary. new hampshire primary votes really bring out the nut fudge element. you get a heavy input from cranks on the republican side and get the sandal and candle types coming in and -- >> sandal and candle types? >> once new hampshire -- >> sandal and candle types, yes. laugh. >> okay. >> new hampshire because of its lack of income tax and probably because there is nothing to do here attracted a lot of nutty people and i think new hampshire may be useful in eliminating weaker candidates but i think that, that once new hampshire speaks, the nation will know to say the other thing. >> john, the big question, we all thought might becoing to a
head last month is whether donald trump and ted cruz take off the gloves. if it comes down to them, how do they not turn up the heat on each other? >> if it comes down to the two of them after iowa and new hampshire and south carolina and nevada, when you're heading into march and delegates and states play, they would have no choice at that point. they have been gentle about it so far because neither one of them thinks at the moment it's in their interest. ted cruz hopes donald trump collapses. ted cruz wants the voters, the anti establishment tea party outsiders and new voters coming into the party because of donald trump. ted cruz wants them. donald trump wants to win in iowa. ted cruz has a lot of popularity, they tend to be the largest slice so you don't want to anger those people right now. right now is the key point. the game of chess and personal confrontations are inevitable if they emerge, which at the moment looks quite possible. >> amanda, where do you see a lane for rubio. the idea he's done well in debates and new generation and appeal going for him, you know, he had a lot of big donors early on interesting in him.
it's unclear to me where he breaks through if he breaks through. >> i think rubio is really trying to figure that out. i noticed over the winter break, the rebill campaign had a lot of focus on ted cruz. i can't count the number but today, rubio suber pablgts launched an ad against chris christie. that tells me that they are changing their target. i don't know if that's more of a focus on new hampshire or out surrenderer to cruz in iowa because rubio is attacking cruz in iowa on national security issues and immigration hard for weeks and weeks and yet, cruz is up and up in the polls. to me that signals that the rubio campaign thinks they can't beat cruz on the issues so they are trying to take out someone else and drift to the establishment lane in this race to try to carve out a piece. >> p.j. how do you see marco rubio? >> boy, it's game of drones here or something. i don't know what. i think everybody should get
together and distance themself from trump, cruz included and it's all right. it's not going to hurt you with trump voters. you can say trump is an idiot. trump voters know trump is an idiot. they will respect you for it and say he's an idiot and you can say i'm the but, i'm the but because this man, i mean, hillary clinton will mop the floor with donald trump. i mean, i'll vote for hillary clinton and i tell you, if i am forced to vote for hillary clinton to keep donald trump from being president, i am going after donald with two weapons he fears most, a building inspector and kobe bryant's barber. >> p.j. good to have you on. new details on the executive action president obama will unveil tomorrow to reduce gun violence. he met with loretta lynch and are confident his actions will pass legal muster.
breaking news tonight, president obama will discuss actions to curve gun violence and do it with remarks from the white house. details came out late today including closing the gun show loophole and steps that will stand up to legal scrutiny and be welcomed by most americans. >> these are not only recommendations that are well within my legal authority and the executive branch, but they are also ones that the overwhelming majority of the american people, including gun owners support and believe in. this is not going to solve every violent crime in this country and prevent every mass shooting
and it's not going to keep every gun out of the hands of a criminal. it will potentially save lives in this country. >> that said, not everyone agrees with him obviously, some of whom are voting with wallets buying fair arms as if they might not get another chance. gary tuchman spoke to some of them at a gun show. >> reporter: organizers refer to it as miles of isles. you can buy guns from retail booths and from private dealers. >> i'm selling a most burg. >> reporter: how much? >> $200. >> reporter: this gun is what? >> a moss burg 16 gauge. >> reporter: how much? >> $150. >> reporter: and business what is called the nation's gun show in virginia is good. so good the atms have run out of money. there are first-time buyers galore. >> what's made your decide to buy a gun? >> i think it's the possibility
that laws might change and we're not going to have that ability to protect ourselves. >> reporter: president obama taking executive action on guns has alarmed many of the people here. annette is the president and owner of the company that puts on the show and about 85 others in the u.s. each year. >> what do you think the president of the united states really wants to do when it comes to guns? >> well, i think the end game with a lot of democrats is to confiscate them. >> reporter: is that what you think? >> sure. >> reporter: is that what you think the president wants to do? >> maybe. yeah. i think maybe he does. >> reporter: another reason the show is jammed. >> the isis threat has increased business. that immediately increased business. >> i used to be a zero gun, you know, guy but nowadays you don't even know who your opponents are. you got to be ready.
>> reporter: opinions are not black and white. some people feel there should be an increase in firearms regulation but there is a deep distrust and suspicion of the motivations of the federal government. how much do you want to sell it for? >> about six for it. >> reporter: $600. >> yeah. >> reporter: if you buy a gun from someone in the business, federal law requires background checks. and that's what is happening here, the information is fed into computers before customers are allowed to buy their guns. police are present to arrest people when the computer checks indicate criminal violations but they are not legally required to conduct background checks. >> i would ask you for a virginia driver's license so i know you're from within the state. >> reporter: what if i gave you a fake, you wouldn't know? >> i would have no idea. >> reporter: would you trust me? do i have an honest face? >> i would trust you. >> reporter: that being said, sometimes if you don't think someone has an honest face, bad vibe, you won't sell it?
>> correct. you got to go with your gut instinct. >> this is a smith and wessen 40 caliber. like a glock. >> reporter: jerry is one of the retailers doing a booming business here. >> we sell any kind of gun. >> reporter: he's also one of the minority of people here who think things should be more stringent. >> i'm for expanded background checks. if somebody is engaging in the business, they ought to do a background check. i've done it for 35 years and never sold a gun without a check. >> reporter: many believe the government needs to be concerned about mental illness. >> obama, he wants to do what he thinks is in the best interest of the country. i disagree strongly with him on this issue. >> reporter: gary tuchman. >> joining me now, senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor and columnist for the new yorker. can you explain the executive actions that's going to be unveiled tomorrow, what it does and what it won't do?
>> the key change is a clarification administration says of who qualifies as a gun dealer and that's important because as gary said in the piece, the only people that have to do background checks are the people who are engaged in the business of selling firearms. what administration is trying to do is expand and clarify the definition of who is a dealer. anyone could beat someone at a gun show, people who resell guns for profit. in the original wrapping. what they are trying to do is if you want to buy a gun for your brother-in-law, that's not going -- that person is not engaged in the business of selling firearms. but they want to expand the number of people who do have to do -- >> like the two gentlemen gary interviewed there, we don't know enough if they are full-time in
this business or one offset. >> exactly. and one off sale is clearly not in the business of firing -- of selling firearms but, you know, there have been cases of as few as one or two gun sales without background checks that have led to criminal prosecution, so the number of guns is not the only factors. >> it's been reported the president would be closing the so-called gun show loophole. that's not exactly the case. >> it's not, no. it's making the loophole smaller. it probably more of the people at that gun show would clearly have to file, do background checks before selling guns but it would take a law from congress to make them all do background checks and that clearly is not happen. >> fair to say he's trying to reinterpret existing laws? >> yeah, he's trying to do what the federal government does. the laws are written in a general way and the government files regulations that explain what the law means. legally, i don't think he is on -- in trouble ground. >> you think he's on firm footing.
>> i think the bigger question perhaps is what difference it will make. it's not -- the number of crimes prevented by this action strikes me as probably going to be pretty low but -- >> look at san bernardino, those guns were purchased legally. >> those guns would not be covered by this. you know, you still have the problem of straw purchasers, people who buy them or give them or sell them to someone else. guns are still going to be very available. also, states do most of the gun regulation in this country, not the federal government and many states have very lax gun laws and that's why crimes in new york, massachusetts, which have strict gun laws often involve guns that come from north carolina, georgia, et cetera.
>> a program note on thursday, president obama will join me for a town hall conversation on guns and gun control. we're calling guns in america. the president will take questions from me as well as audience members. that's thursday at 8:00 p.m. eastern live here on "360". gunmen occupy a federal building in oregon for a third day and say they are not going anywhere any time soon. what they want and are calling themselves when we continue. er group, they work all the time. sup jj? working hard? working 24/7 on mobile trader, rated #1 trading app in the app store. it lets you trade stocks, options, futures... even advanced orders. and it offers more charts than a lot of the other competitors do in desktop. you work so late. i guess you don't see your family very much? i see them all the time. did you finish your derivative pricing model, honey? for all the confidence you need. td ameritrade. you got this.
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welcome back. they call themselves patriots others including a cnn national security analyst call them terrorists. a group of armed protesters that took over a federal building in oregon saturday say they're not going anywhere. started as a protest against the sentencing of two ranchers convicted of arson. the group's spokesman say it's about restoring and defending the constitution. so far, there's no police presence. the occupation is raising the standoffs between the u.s. government and other groups which tend not to end very well. sarah reports. >> we came very well prepared. we're in it for the long haul. >> reporter: today they gave themselves a name, citizens for constitutional freedom and took us into the national park headquarters they have taken over saying the government has occupied it illegally. what are you planning to do? >> restore the lands. restore the lands to the people. >> reporter: for three days and
three nights, they had no resistance from law enforcement. >> you said you were here to help the citizens of the county. that help ended when a peaceful protest became an armed occupation. the hammonds have turned themselves in. it's time for you to leave our community. go home to your families and end this peacefully. >> reporter: they say they will be peaceful if the police are. but they're armed just in case. has anyone said anything to give you some idea there is going to be bloodshed? >> we've been hearing reports from people still in toni that the sheriff is saying we're leaving either in body bags or handcuffs. makes people nervous. >> reporter: we recognized two of the men right away. that's john known for recently organizing anti islam rallies in arizona and the group's leader, ammon bundy, the son of the rancher that made national headlines for his stand on the
government over his ranch on rights and this time bundy and the rest of these men supporting a different ranching family, the hammonds. prosecutors say the hammonds were hunting deer on federal land and set fire to cover their tracks. the hammonds claim they were just trying to clear invasive brush despite serving time and being released, they turn themselves in again today after a federal judge ordered them back to prison for five more years. that was a call to arms for these men and women. they say they are patriots following the constitution but critics have other names. >> there is a lot of social media discussion what you-all are doing out here. they used words like al qaeda and vanilla isis and while they sound like funny names, they are basic recalling you terrorists. how do you respond to these accusations? >> i would encourage, one, i think that is the minority but i would encourage people to look into what is really happening and find out who is truly doing
the terrorizing. who has been taking ranches. this refuge alone, over 100 ranches have been taken and so that they can make this park, this refuge. >> sarah joins me from oregon. is there any sense the fbi is planning to remove them or discussions with these people? >> reporter: it is a question we've been asking. the sheriff's department has not said what the plans are. the fbi said they know what is happening with the group and they said we're not in direct contact but there is in direct contact through someone else. they aren't saying the exact messages but you heard clearly they want them to leave, go home and end this peacefully. >> thanks very much. up next, a tenuous situation gets more complicated and dangerous in the midwest. protesters stormed the saudi arabia embassy in teheran. what this means for the region
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tensions spilling over to the middle east in the fight against isis. saudi arabia executed a cleric and called for divine revenge. protesters through molotov cocktails, the embassy caught fire as did the sectarian dispute throughout the region.n cocktails, the embassy caught fire as did the sectarian dispute throughout the regioopr cocktails, the embassy caught fire as did the sectarian dispute throughout the regiowpr cocktails, the embassy caught fire as did the sectarian dispute throughout the regiopro cocktails, the embassy caught fire as did the sectarian dispute throughout the regiopro cocktails, the embassy caught fire as did the sectarian dispute throughout the regiopro cocktails, the embassy caught fire as did the sectarian dispute throughout the region. now diplomatic ties are falling like dominos. joining me is fareed zakaria. is there more to this crisis than the execution of the collar rick and the storming of the embassy? >> there is much more. this is really the background condition shaping the violence in the middle east for the last decade. we want into iraq and found problems, syria collapsed but under it all, is this great sectarian sunnis versus the shiite.
it plays out in syria, in lebanon, in bay ran. so in a strange way the wonder is it doesn't take longer for this to erupt but now you have open hostility between the leading sunny power, saudi arabia and iran and this is going to complicate the middle east even further if that's even possible. >> saudi arabia was obviously upset about the nuclear iran deal and any kind of growth or rise of iran on the international stage is of concern to saudi arabia. >> that's right and saudi arabia views this i think from two prisms. one is strategy, the growth of iran as a regional player and things like that. but the other one is very sectarian. remember, saudi arabia represents is very pure islam in which the shiite are apostates. the saudis be in large destroy any shiite shrine in the country so they are also viewing this as the growth of any kind of shiite
influence in baja rain and syria and iraq and view that as kind of the spread of hair rasy and apostile. these things are taken very, very seriously by lots of people in the sunni world particularly by they're puritanical saudis. >> the saudis obviously put a lot of money on spreading that belief. we talked about syria. i guess it's syria, the battle for isis and the u.s., this may have the biggest ramification. >> absolutely. the john kerry's task of getting a political settlement in syria just got a lot, lot harder because the only way you're going to get a settlement in syria is if you can get the major powers fueling a lot of the internal war that's taking place there funding various militia and sending arms and supplies. if you can't get the major powers to agree, you're not
going to stop it. even if you got them to agree, who knows whether you'd be able to get to the thousands of militia. they had only just begun to talk, you know, it was a few week ago i think the foreign minister sat down around the stable for the first time and now they have cut off relations, cut off flights. the saudis got people in the government's to cut off relations so all of a sudden i think it's two big steps backward for one step forward. >> they are not going to end up fighting each other directly. that would seem unlikely. how does this play out? does it become sort of a cold war? does it continue to escalate? >> i think a cold war is exactly the right metaphor because if you think of the cold war while the u.s. and soviets never fought directly, there were lots of proxy wars and lots of ways in which this extension manifested and it means that syria could get more complex and bloody but also raises the stakes of internal instability,
a place like baja rain supported saudi arabia. it has 15% shiite and they live in the eastern province of saudi arabia where the oil is. the shiite do not seem to support what the saudi government has done. all and all, if you thought the middle east couldn't get more complicated and messy, well, you know, it just did. >> fascinating. fareed, thank you. >> pleasure. that does it for this edition of ac 360. i asked my dentist if an electric toothbrush
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ahead this hour, new details on how the president plans to curb gun violence in the u.s. while the measures looks small, it seems he's picked a major fight with republicans. no comment. hillary clinton refuses to take donald trump's bait and comment on her husband's past indiscretions. all of this while the gop front-runner doubles down in his first-ever tv ad. and pick a side. the sunni and shiite world line up behind saudi arabia and iran as these two islamic superpowers square off. hello and wel t