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for the people in that church. and it worked. >> thank god it worked this time. a special programming reminder. this thursday at 8:00 p.m., president obama for an exclusive live town hall event on gun control. he's take questions from the audience. fascinating. thursday 8:00 p.m. here on cnn. happy new year to all of you. as you know guns are going to be a big sub of debate. newsroom starts right now. happening now in the newsroom, president obama going it alone on gun control. >> these are recommendations that are well within my legal authority and the executive branch. >> rolling out executive actions that include expanding background checks and
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republicans are ready to pounce. >> my first day behind that desk those orders are gone. >> also in it for the long haul. armed pro testers say they are not budging until the government does. how and when will this face off end? plus wall vestreet in for another wild ride? let's talk in the cnn "newsroom." good morning, everybody. i'm deborah feyerick. thanks so much for joining me. in just a couple of hours president obama is set to unveil a new set of gun control measures. critics are already condemning it as an assault on their first amendment rights. but president obama says his plan will save lives. requiring more sellers to be licensed and making it more difficult for people to buy
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weapons like assault weapons like machine guns. in an effort to identify red flags sooner the white house also has sent a letter to every state governor encouraging more information be funneled into the background check system. as for working with congress, the white house says they are taking action because lawmakers won't. >> he's doing clearly within his authority. well within the existing statute. trying to make sure he does everything within his power to keep guns out of the wrong hands. congress has responsibility for acting. we welcome the opportunity to pass legislation but they have made it clear. so in their ab sensation of action we're going to to do what we can do. >> and the latest from cnn white house correspondent michelle
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kosinski. what are you hearing? >> reporter: you used some of the right words there in describing the proposals. the word itself "proposing" or "encouraging" starts to do more. those aren't the strongest sounding words. it is also glaring what the limits are and that is how these changes are put out there as guidance or encouragement, "proposals." even the background check issue is really just a clarification of existing law, who can be considered a private seller versus somebody who is in the business of selling guns. that is because the president is limited by existing law. even though he's acting alone he can only act within those guidelines and there are questions too as to how these proposed changes are going to be enforced. >> it will potentially save
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lives in this country. >> president obama teeing up to announce major over haul on gun control this morning giving congress a hard pass. >> these are recommendations well within my legal authority and the executive branch. >> the president set to lay out a series of executive orders, including clarifying that anyone in the business of selling guns mu i quire a license and ensure background checks no matter the volume of guns sold or where. proposing beefing up the background check system itself, hiring more staff to priet it around the clock. and the president will ask for much more funding for mental health treatment. the democratic campaign trail buzzing with excitement. >> i am so proud of what the president announced today.
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the next president on the very first day could wipe it away. you know i won't wipe it away. >> oh and the next president could very well wipe it away and that is exactly what the gop presidential hopefuls plan to do. >> i will unsign that so fast. >> and we're already seeing one member of the house appropriations committee saying, no e we're not going to fund any of this. deb. >> it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. michelle kosinski thank you so much for bringing us that report. and for viewers, president obama on thursday right here on cnn 8:00 p.m. eastern. and the president's plan is
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drawing sharp reaction from republican whose hope to win the white house. while democratic hillary clinton has endorsed the presidents plan, gop candidates are using it as the rallying cry to reach voters. >> i don't think there is anybody who wants dangerous weapons in the hands of, you know, dangerous criminals and mentally unstable people. but we also have to recognize where is this coming from? this is coming from a president who said "if you like your doctor, you can keep him," if you like your insurance company you can keep him, now if you like your gun you can keep it. i don't know if i completely trust that. >> cnn political reporter manu raju in iowa and athena jones in
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new hampshire and manu, will senator rubio's reaction sway voters? >> he's trying to reach very aggressively two conservatives right now. trying to distinguish himself from his rivals is to showcase a stronger sense of foreign policy. more hawkish view. really trying to showcase a difference between him and ted cruz here in iowa and also taking a tougher tone towards obama. >> a man was elected who condemned america for having arrogance and the audacity to dictate our terms to other nations. a man who apologized for america and bowed pitifully to foreign leaders. worst of all log to make
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historic devastating cuts to our military and to our intelligence capabilities. for a while many thought this was just a result of him being naive but it wasn't. what became abundantly clear was this, barack obama was deliberately weakening america. >> marco rubio is talking right now to this iowa add ens and not just foreign policy is going to dominate today. also social issues. a state where social conservatives really dominate the state evangelicals are really powering ted cruz's campaign. but also rubio will have to worry about the issue of immigration. voters are still concerned with his role of the gang of eight. yesterday he said i will not support amnesty if i am president of the united states trying to take a tougher line there. >> and when senator rubio begins
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to speak we'll mont they aitor you. athena, what's expected to happen there? >> reporter: this event is expected to get under way in a few minutes. like the other republican candidates he's been critical on the president's proposal on gun control as well. he says the president should take his case to congress and not use executive powers he doesn't have. he's called this a danls pattern if it continues. but also something interesting about governor bush, he among the republican candidates has perhaps most consistently, most explicitly and most extensively kept his fire trained on the front runner donald trump. take a listen to what he had to say about trump on nbc this morning. >> i find it remarkable that no other candidate is taking him on. he's a bully. and his views, while it is very fun to talk about all the great theatrics of his speeches and
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the like, his views are not the views of a conservative. and a conservative will win the conservative anonymous for the conservative party. >> where does he stand on national security. what's he think about the nuclear triad. how is he going to keep us safe? how is he going to create an environment where people's incomes rise again? there is no "there" there. and once the bubble bursts i think you are going to see dramatic changes. >> this is the kind of case bush has been trying to make for weeks now. and other candidates do hit trump. we hard others say americans aren't looking to elect an entertainer in chief. other candidates have hit him, not as consistently as bush but we did hear from fiorina this morning saying trump reminds her of the kim kardashian of politics. a few of the candidates hitting
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trump but not the way bush is. >> how's the turn out been for bush, athena? >> reporter: upstairs, it's a relatively small room. when we were there not many had arrived. but the governor only arrived about 15 minutes ago so we'll have to go see what the crowd looks like now. >> all right. thank you so much. we appreciate it. and here to discuss the 2016 race and the president's gun plan, ben ferguson, conservative talk radio host and cnn political commentator, and also maria cardona democratic strategist and cnn political commentator. ben, the president acknowledges this will not end gun violence.
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does this at least put some sort of dent in gun violence? >> i don't know if it is going to put a department in gun violence at all. and i think what the president is doing here is the president is really trying to make sure he's going check the box for leg i have reasons. and he's going to say i'm to guy who came in and did this through executive action and he's setting this up obvious lir for hillary clinton campaign. the biggest issue here is how is he going to be able to enforce this? we've already seen congress say you tried to get this through congress last year. it did not work. why do you think you can now do this through executive action? and i think that is where he's going to have the biggest trouble on this issue. the other thing is this. i think there was common ground on mental health issues that the president could have actually used and led on that issue. i think there was an appetite
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from conservatives to deal with mental health and we're really not dealing with that issue at all here. >> so christen, do you think in terms of mental health care he is allocating $500 million for treatment as part of these proposals, do you think that is going to be struck down along with everything else if a republican is elected? >> i think republicans at this point have really just had enough with the president sort of forgetting that the constitution says he doesn't get to write law, congress does. the trouble i think obama is going to run into is now that his name is not going to be on the ballot anymore he feels more comfortable taking political risks. you have a majority that think it won't do anything about gun violence and a majority that in the wake of san bernardino said they would oppose stricter gun laws. so this is the sort of thing
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that whenever the president takes action, which involves usually making a statement, the only result is rarely to move numbers but more people end up going out and buying guns. >> clearly the president has been very vocal on this. very emotional each time he sees something happen. these active shooter situations. let me ask you maria. in terms of this executive action. is this like red meat for the republicans? because now they have something they can clearly attack obama on even more. >> sure it is. but i don't think that republicans needed this in order to attack him more. i think that for them they were going to do this from the get go regardless of whether the president did this. but look, this is something that has been a priority for this president from the very beginning and especially because he is somebody who has had to speak to the victim's families
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over and over and over again. and when that happens, you have to feel like you have to do something about it. and frankly the majority of the american people are with him on this. i agree that we don't know whether this is going to effect actual gun violence but why not try. and i think that is the question that republicans have not been able to answer in the face of overwhelming support for something as simple as expanded background checks. and they would love to talk about mental health but yet they are the ones who time and time again strip programs that actually would go to boosting mental health. so they have a lot to answer for in this too. >> and to so to each of you, is this the kind of thing where the president calls of hillary clinton and says i have what could be good news, what could be bad news. how does that conversation go? >> i think this is actually very good news especially for the democratic primary. you saw hillary clinton there very exide about talking about
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this.cited about talking about this. this is something that excited the democratic base. when you have a country where it is easier to buy a gun than toss to vote that is something -- >> that is just -- >> ben what do you think? >> well look. hillary clinton came out and said she's not even sure it goes far enough. so yes, she wants this to be a campaign issue. i think she is not taking the pulse of the country though. and congress which, many democrats oppose what the president is doing now. so they are going to have a hard time selling this. and i think republicans are going to be able to say look, this is not going to change the issues that we had with mass shootings. remember if president obama would have enacted seven years ago, not one of the mass
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shootings he's talked about would have been stopped because the laws he's trying to impose on us now going around congress, none of them would have been effective in stopping mass shootings. this is more about political theater and more about hillary clinton running for office and more about his legacy than stepping mental health crime or gun issues in this country. and that is where they open themselves up to people saying this is nothing but political theater. i wish you would have focused more on mental health and i think many democrats and republicans would agree on that. >> do you agree with either ben or maria, yes or no? >> i agree with maria in the issue is democratic primary. and i agree with ben that the politics i don't think favor the democrats on this issue. >> thank you so much. >> happy new year. >> to you too. and still to come the fall out
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fall out over saudi-iran tensions is growing. kuwait became the latest to side with saudi reiarabia. the worst coming over the weekend after is shiite clieeri was executed.
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live there with the latest, what's happening? >> reporter: today we've seen furthest escalation, not just kuwait recalling its ambassador to teheran. we've also seen the saudis cutoff economic ties to teheran. they have also stopped flights between the two countries as well. they are says all the religious pilgrims that would normally come here to haj and mecca and saudi arabia, all can still come. but really the standoff between the two countries is intensifying. and at the core of it they feel iran has been meddling in their affairs and believe are part of the strength behind the execution of the cleric this weekend. and what we're seeing here is essentially a new king and
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defense minister taking a much tougher position than predecessors may have taken in a similar situation. >> is saudi arabia trying to reassert itself in the face of the iran's -- especially with sanctions about to be lifted. is this a way for saudi arabia to enforce they are not someone to be meddled with effectively? >> that and other stuff as well. the nuclear deal iran struck with the united states, that worries the saudis. it does in saudi eyes allow for reemergence of iran on international stage and also for them ultimately to grab a bigger share of the oil market. that will eat potentially into saudi arabia's long-term revenues. a lot of this you can look at as being sort of economic longer term power plays here. but also look at syria, look at
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yemen, where saudi arabia sees iran's hand in both of those countries. saudi arabia fighting a war in yemen. that is not going particularly well for them. in syria as well the same. so they feel the pressure from iran there. they feel the pressure from iran just over the border to the north in iraq. you can go back to the arab spring where saudi arabia looked to the united states, looked for it to prop up its allies in egypt. united states didn't. saudi arabia realized it was going to have to go it alone. beefed it security forces. massive spending. -- because of how they see the united states changing its relationship with themselves and other countries in the region. so it is a lot of things but definitely it is iran's growing influence right now that factors into that most significant thinking. >> all right. nick robertson for us in reiad
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saad reign. thank you so much. riyadh. sir, you listened to what nick had to say. you are currently a professor with the harvard kennedy school of government. what is your reaction to what is happening? is this a tinderbox that's just been a long time in the making? >> well it is essential a very grave situation. here you have the leader of the sunni world and the shiite world going against each other. --. no one wants to see a greater conflict between iran and saudi arabia. and we certainly don't want to see intensification of civil war in syria in particular 12 million people are homeless in
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that war and secretary of state kerry has been trying to get a diplomatic process going that might eventually end the war. he's going to need saudi arabia to be at the table and to work together for a long-term peace if that is to be achieved. >> and ambassador to what extent are falling oil prices having on creating the sense of uncertainty in that region especially with iran about to start a new flow of oil into opec and into the markets. >> well the lower price of oil has certainly hurt the iranians. it's hurt the russians as well. i think saudis and others felt they could sustain but you have seen last week the saudis announced they will be running well over a hundred billion dollar budget deficit for this year so they have got to cut back. i think it does well for the authority all of these regimes we're talking about -- saudi arabia, united arab emirates,
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iran -- they have to be worried about domestic instability. a terrorist minded aggression stoking the conflict with saad reign. so this isudi arabia. so this is -- with the execution of the shiite cleric and others really poured gasoline on the fire but the u.s. is not going to support iran gimven their damages policies. i they they are going to try to contain this so we can try to get on and end the syrian civil war. >> and amidst the chaos isis continues to strengthen its position. ambassador burns, we thank you. >> thank you. >> and still to come, is wall street in for another wild ride? and what it all means for your 401(k).
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the opening bell moments away.
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[ applause ] wall street's opening bell ringing moments ago. traders hoping for a rebound after monday's selloff. what does that mean for us? joining me christine romans and alis
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alison kosik. what are the markets doing in reaction to china and europe. >> actually the dow in positive territory. here is the thing though. after a day like we saw yesterday, the worst -- the biggest decline for opening day since 2008, you usually see a big bounce back. we're not seeing that today. so those worries still lingering. now china did end a little lower. that could be adding to the caution that we're seeing today. but here on the floor of the new york stock exchange t worry is more than just china. the worry goes on to say that there is a stronger dollar at play here. that could eat into company earnings. the worry about baweaker oil prices. and the fed worries as well. interestingly in 2015 we did get indication that momentum in the stock market would be lackadaisical for lack of a better word.
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we saw the dow and s&p 500 end in the red for the entire year of 2015. so many analysts are describing 2016 as a year where we will see tepid growth in stock, deb. >> thanks so much. and you heard the word lackadaisical and tepid. what can we expect in this first week of the new year? >> well, you had a lot of fear spreading around the globe yesterday because of those sharp moves in the chinese market. but you don't see follow through of that fear here yet this morning. last august when we had big concerns in china, it was two really big down days, a real correction in the market. you are not getting that sense this morning so i think that is a relief. a lot of people asking what to do with the 401(k). i tend to say don't do anything. people who sell stocks on the day after a big move tend to
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make the wrong call. they say you can't time the market. really smart people trying to time the market don't do ofta g job job of it. the younger you are the more it should be just in stocks. and after the pull back last fall millennials and young people were the people who were really piling into the stock market. so for the average investor you should be aware of where you are in the market and how long you have to requirement but you should not make moves on one day of a stock market move. >> okay. refreshing. we appreciate it. . thank you. good news for gun makers. firearm stocks getting a big boost as president obama prepares a series of executive
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actions aimed at curb gun violence. cushirbing if history is any gu the numbers for the background checks will only increase over the next several months. bottom line is people buy more guns when they think they will be taken away. because there is a general fear that if tighter controls come into legislation, then there will be less guns available. kind of unfounded based on historical guidance, right? but nonetheless people buy more guns and two big shootings last year, san bernardino and paris really sparked the national conversation about tighter controls. less covered but just as
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important as what is going on at the state levels. states are enacting tighter gun control. that is also making people more nervous about their gun, clinging closer to them. and that means we may see the numbers for background checks increase even further going forward and wall street knows it. >> one of the things in the president's proposals would be they would audit more fbi agents and more aatf agents. they want their guns faster so therefore they will be more thorough by having more people checking. what staves the purchasing of guns ultimately? if we keep seeing -- >> this is in your wheel house deb. you know the leisure less we ta
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the more calm everybody is. gun stocks in the meantime have been on a tear. we've seen this time of time. and 2013 was the last time we saw record background checks. why? because for the second time in 2012 we had mass shootings. same thing there. huge spike after that happened. >> and just to see an interesting bounce that gun legislation, or proposed gun legislation is actually a very good thing for the gun makers. little bit ironic. >> very. >> thank you. and starting 11:30 a.m. you can watch our special coverage leading up to the president's gun control announcement right here on cnn. and new demands in the oregon face-off. the group spokesperson amman
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bundy tweeting they won't leave. the hammonds waking up in prison this morning, convicted arsonists turning themselves in last night. now four days into their occupation, the activists have a new name. good morning paul, i see you out there in the cold in an isolated area. kind of an interesting place to take over if you are trying to make a statement. >> reporter: it really is. this is the largest county in all of oregon. larger than six states. and only 7 thousand people in it. that is less than one per square mile. the protesters did they say wanted to go to a place that didn't cause a big upheaval.
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they are very upset. what they say are federal government land grabs out here on the west and they are now on federal property of course. let's give you a glimpse of the area where they are just down the hill from the right of me. >> so we're getting a tour of this compound at the wildlife refuge. they are now way more members of the media out here than anything else in this extremely sparsely populated part of the county. how long will they stay here? they will not give us any specifics. as you can see it is not like this is a heavily populated area. this is just a show and tell right now that is taking some odd turns.
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as one town's person put it "a lot of this is very weird." and the sheriff came out the other day and said simply to the protesters, go home. and by the way as we stand here now we have not seen any law enforcement officers, not deputy sheriffs. we haven't seen any of the federal officers or state. so this is not a true standoff right now. seems to be the strategy is to wait out the dozen or so demonstrators we saw in that compound of one story structures behind me, deb. >> i think i have to agree with that towns person that a lot of this very weird. not your traditional standoff. not seeing any guns and it is very rare that journalists can get that close to what's been taking siege. we'll continue to watch the story. clearly the antigovernment activists trying to make a point, we'll determine the outcome. still to come, she was on the run and now he's heading to
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and the so called mom of the affluenza teen is heading back to court. tonya couch is expected to appear before the judge today for an extradition hearing. she's already back in mexico but this is to bring her to texas. it could be months before the teen is back on u.s. soil. what is it that we're looking at stephanie? >> reporter: what we're
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expecting that the mother of the affluenza teen will appear here in court. she was caught in puerta vallarta and brought to los angeles. we understand her son is still in mexico. we don't have any timing today but it is still expected she'll be here for the extradition hearing and whether or not they will send her back to texas. while that is happening with her -- and keep in mind this is a felony charge because as far as they are concerned it is hindering the apprehension of a fugitive. so she is looking at a around 10 years in prison. much worse than what her son will face as he's still a juvenile and they say they don't believe he committed any crimes while he's in mexico. so he just violated his probation. remember back in 2013, he was 16, driving drunk, had a car accident that killed four people but was only forced to serve
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pro probation because the judge said he was too rich and spoiled and didn't know how to do the right thing air go the affluenza teen. >> my first question to him, do you wrant to contest this deportation or not? if he doesn't want to contest it. we'll desist and he would be delivered unto american authorities immediately. >> the thing about ethan's situation, if he came back he would have to serve at a juvenile facility until he turns 19 in april. some think that is not harsh enough. but at this point it would incarceration and none longer
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than that. >> so many people weighing in on the subject. they feel that justice was not served with respect to ethan couch in the death of those four people. stephanie elam, thank you. and still to come. hillary clinton wants to be the next president. but will bill clinton's past get in her way? what voters say, next.
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donald trump says bill clinton's personal life remains fair game in the race for the white house. the former president hits the campaign trail on behalf of his wife. >> i think this election is about restoring broadly shared prosperity. >> reporter: bill clinton on the campaign trail in nshua, new hampshire, trying to keep the focus on the issues. speaking for about 30 minutes, without even acknowledging donald trump's personal attacks
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on him. focusing, instead, on his wife's credentials. >> everything she touched, she made better. >> reporter: even if bill clinton isn't talking about trump's comments regarding his infidelities, supporters here are. >> what about the fact that trump is attacking him. is it fair to attack a spouse like this, certainly about these issues? >> well, if he wants to attack, i remember the expression about people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. i think he needs to watch where he steps because his personal history is not stal lar and it's petty. >> reporter: that may be true but donald trump is breathing new life into bill clinton's personal affairs, tossing names like monica lieu win ski and paula jones, after after trump referred to the word schlonged. she told t"the des moines register" had a pension tofor
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sexism. >> i talked about her husband and abuse. no, it's tremendous abuse. >> he's not a an abuser much women. he has a bad history. i don't know of any situation he's denigrated women the way trump has. >> reporter: do extra-martial affairs have a place in this campaign? >> i don't think so. i think the public is really concerned about world affairs and the economy. and kids being ra ining able to college. >> reporter: most are looking for the former president to energize the base. those undecided told me, whatever mr. clinton did, even his impeachment is old news. >> reporter: his scandal, does that have anyplace on this campaign trail? >> it will get played up but it's old news. de what he did. that might be a little trouble with the women vote maybe. but, you know, donald trump has got the same problems probably.
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so, i think it will be a wash in the end. >> reporter: nobody we spoke with thought bill clinton should get into a grudge match with the billionaire candidate, suggesting there's no way to win a street fight against donald trump. randi kaye, cnn, new hampshire. checking our top stories, fired south carolina police officer michael slager is free on bail this morning, charged with murder in the shooting death of walter scott last april. a witness's video show slager shooting scott in the back after he ran away. he was placed on house arrest as a condition of his bail. and country music singer craig strickland has been found in oklahoma. he was the front man for the country rock band backroad anthem. he'd been missing for more than a week after a powerful winter storm raked the area where he and a friend were duck hunting. his friend's body was found days
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earlier. authorities say their boat apparently capsized in the storm. still to come for the technology nerd in you and all of us, we have a look at all the gadgets and gizmos you will want. the latest from the consumer electronic tech show straight ahead.
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virtual reality on your smartphone, bendable tv sets, smart roller blades or skateboards, all that could replace those expensive hover boards, all part of the cse in las vegas opening to the public tomorrow. it gives you an early look at what could become the next big thing in technology. samuel burke joins us from los angeles -- las vegas. what's the bik story right now,
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chinese rival to tesla? >> reporter: it's cse, but i wonder if the "c" stands for chinese. we're seeing companies backed by chinese multimillionaires come in and steal the headlines. a company looking to rival tesla, very mysterious company, based in california. last night they showed up with a lot of their chinese backers and finally unveiled their concept car, trying to go after the luxury market, go after tesla. tesla's way ahead. they say they might have a car within the next couple of years on the market. i just drove from phoenix to san diego and it only cost me 30 bucks. right now electric cars are a loss maker. we see chinese companies. you were talking about that skateboard. i'm on it from a company called acton. chinese ceo and american co-founder with me. it's a smart skateboard. it connects -- i just had my
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appendix out so i'm going to be careful. there i go. that's it for me. i don't want to go back to the hospital but this is a lithium battery much like those howeverer boards. i have the ceo of the company with me, peter treadway. is this going to blow up if i'm on it the way the howeverer board did? >> it won't, unless you're talking about explosions of speed and excitement. you'll be looking at -- this is much higher quality and much nicer equipment. >> that's the problem, really, you say a lot of those companies were using cheaper lithium batteries. >> they're trying to outdo each other in the lowness of the quality. so they want the prices to be as far down as they can get them so they can sell more of them, but everyone's suffering. >> this will set you back 499 bucks. they also have smart skatsz. oculus rip people are talking about that virtual reality headset from facebook.
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they're going on sale, 1500 bucks. big price tags at ces. >> bring me back one of those cars. have fun. looks like a great one. the next hour of cnn news room begins right now. happening now in the "newsroom" -- president obama going it alone on gun control. >> these are recommendations well within my legal authority and the executive branch. >> rolling out executive actions that include expanding background checks and republicans are ready to pounce. >> and i'm elected president on my first day behind that desk, those orders are gone. also, in it for the long haul. armed protesters who took over a federal building in oregon say they're not budging until the government does. >> what do you plan to do with this? >> restore the lands. restore the lands to the people. >> reporter: how and when will this face-off end. plus, wall street in for
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another wild ride? what a rough day in the markets means for you. let's talk in the "cnn newsroom." good morning, i'm deborah feyerick in for carol costello. next hour president obama is set to bypass congress and roll out a new set of gun control measures. critics are already blasting it as an assault on their second amendment rights. the series of executive actions will require more sellers to be licensed and make it more difficult for people to buy assault weapons like machine guns. the plan also proposes $500 million for mental health services and calls for additional funding for fbi and atf agents to help enforce existing laws. in an effort to identify red flags sooner, they have sent
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letters to every state asking for more to go into background checks. michelle kosinski, we're an hour and a half away from the president making his announcement. what's the expectation? >> we know he's going to speak for about 20 minutes. we expect this to be pretty impassioned as we've heard in the last few addresses he's done on this issue. he's described this issue as the most frustrating of his time in his presidency. now he's reached the limit of what he can do. remember, he enacted dozens of executive actions three years ago. they didn't really go very far. he said, well, that's about all i can do going it alone without congress being involved. a couple months ago he and his team said, let's scrub the law again and find any leeway there is within existing laws, of course. that's how he has to act and see what else we can do. i think what really jumps out at you when you look at all the changes the administration is trying to make in a number of
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different areas, you really see those limits strongly. this is a lot of proposals, guidance, encouraging states to do more. even on the background check issue, sure, this could expand possibly greatly the number of people who need to be licensed and their buyers need to have background checks done. really it's just a clarification of who is considered a private seller versus someone in the business of selling guns. big questions for all of these changes are enforcement. how much can the federal government really do to make sure these things happen? in the cases of funding, congress has to approve it and appropriate rate it. already we're hearing from some saying, nope, we're not going to do that, deb. >> michelle kosinski at the white house for us, thank you. we will be waiting for the president to speak. he's already pushing back
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against critics who say he's overstepping his authority. president obama insisting he is within within his legal limits and he's doing this in conjunction with the second amendment that a majority of gun owners agree with, in his words, common sense to make lives. we can't accept this carnage in our communities. joining me now to talk about all of this, attorney and nra instructor and gun dealer, and we're joined by criminal attorney mark o'mara. >> how far does this go? do you see this impacting gun owners and their ability to buy guns? >> not particularly. i think it's just as easy to buy a gun with a background check. i think you'll see the level of enforcement. it's like the immigration
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executive orders where the president took away resources from enforcement. here he's adding resources to enforcement. >> critics of the president say he's out of bounds with this gun proposal, but it doesn't sound that that's the case. >> well, firstly, i think he has the right to do most of what he does. there have been arguments about his overstepping his authority with certain executive orders, but the executive branch executes the laws passed by congress. what piece doing, i think, is trying to polish what he has tried to get through the congress and can't. he's trying to polish it with these executive orders. now, what effect is it going to have? this is not a perfect solution but i think it's a step in the right direction. there's no question we have to stem the tide of guns getting into the wrong hands. the argument that this will not do that, this may stop guns from getting into the right hands, isn't very well placed and i don't think it's well argued.
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what this is going to do is make it more difficult for guns to be in in the free commerce without hem being registered or identified to people who should have them. in my opinion what this really does is protect the second amendment right because those people who have the right to have guns legally will still be able to have them and it's a step in the right direction to stopping criminals and those who will harm us from getting guns. >> part of the analogy, but when we look at gun control, there is no sort of magic out there, no so-called silver but et. they say the president is holding it hostage. do you believe that? >> no. they want to keep the right to defend themselves. the gentleman says registration. registration is illegal right now for normal firearms. that's -- but that's an indication of what's being attempted.
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this is about trying to make a trail and keep records so that firearms can be traced so that in the future if there's an assault weapons ban the government can know which house to go knock on the door and try to take them away. >> 93% of the american public are in favor of more gun control. so to suggest that congress is on track with people's opinion really is not quite right. 93% say we need to have a more common sense approach to a very dangerous weapon. i'm a gun owner. i have a conceal permit license. don't take away my guns. i'm not republican, democratic, liberal or conservative. i'm maybe of the rationalist party. we have to look at how we approach guns. we require -- we keep cars away from children because they're dangerous instrumentality in the wrong hands.
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we need to keep them away from felons, from people who are on watch lists. the way we do that is to make sure we have certain control over all weapons that we can. it is not a perfect solution. the idea we must protect ourselves from the government coming into our home and stealing all of our weapons, quite honestly, is an absurd, outdated and anty quiquated para that today where we're killing each other at outrageous rates with guns. >> we have to leave it there. thank you both. and just a reminder for our viewers, president obama joins cnn's anderson cooper on thursday for an exclusive one hour live town hall to discuss gun control. you can watch that live on cnn thursday at 8:00 p.m. eastern. starting at 11:30 you can watch our special coverage leading up to the president's gun control
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announcement. to the republican candidates trying to shore up support with voters in the key states of iowa and new hampshire, among them marco rubio and jeb bush who are taking aim not only at donald trump but president obama, but will it resonate with voters? athena jones is in new hampshire and manu is in iowa with the rubio campaign. marco was on the stage. did he rally the crowd. >> reporter: he did. it was a small room, 75, so felt like a packed room. he talked a lot about socialist, talked about how he is pro-life, how he opposes abortion but he said if he were president he would sign an abortion law that included some exceptions. he said the only exception he supported is to save the life of a mother. this is an issue that plays very well to this socially conservative crowd. he talked about the issue that
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hangs over his campaign, immigration. he said very clearly, i do not support amnesty, even though he is still open to a pathway to citizenship for the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants. in addition, he took aim at president obama. something that does rile up this crowd. here's a little bit of what he had to say. >> we have a president that views america not as the greatest country in the world and a force for good, but as an arrogant global power that needs to be humbled. and the result is a foreign policy in which we betray our allies, we cut deals with our adversaries, we are gutting our military. leaving us with the oldest air force we've ever had, the smallest navy in 100 years. and a president on ten occasions around the world has apologized for america. >> reporter: so, you know, rubio is trying to straddle this -- having this optimistic vision for america while also throwing red meat to this crowd that really is angry at what the
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president has done over the last several years. almost talking in a more aggressive tone the way donald trump sort of has done successfully. rubio is trying to do a little bit of both. as i talked to one voter here, who said he's sort of like a toned down trump. to some extent he's having some success. he has more events throughout the state, trying to show himself as a different kind of republican but also a very hawkish republican on national security issues. something he believes differentiates himself from one of his chief rivals here in the state, ted cruz. >> trying to resonate with voters, manu. we go to athena jones. with jeb bush, he's really trying to position himself more as sort of the candidate who is reflective and representative of the republican party. more conservative than some others who are running. what's he saying? what's his message now? >> reporter: hi, deb. that's right. he's trying to say that he is
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one of the serious choice, serious candidate, unlike folks like donald trump who is the front-runner nationally and here in the state of new hampshire. you asked last hour how big the crowd was at this event. it was about 60 people in the end crowd into a small room at this chamber of commerce event. bush kept up the attacks on trump in his brief remarks. he spent most of the hour taking questions from the crowd. take a listen to what he had to say about trump. >> if you're looking for the guy that's the big personality on the stage and insult people in a humorous way -- not humor yous, quite frankly. if you're a disabled person and you get disparaged by the leading candidate for the republican party, or if you're a woman and get disparaged. it's not funny at all. if you're looking for someone, i'm not your guy. i wasn't brought up that way. i'm not going to divide to make myself look better. if you're looking for someone who has a servant's heart,
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proven leadership skills, doesn't just talk the talk, done what's necessary for this country to be lifted up again, i hope you'll support me. >> reporter: you heard him talking about trump. he's one of the candidates whose spent the most time going after trump. he's in the single digits here in new hampshire. he spent a lot of the hour answering questions, including gun violence and how to deal with the proliferation of guns. he talked about being proud of his record in florida, and he said you won't solve any problemsly calling the so-called gun show loophole, for instance, by executive order. again, criticizing president obama's moves on this. there was an interesting moment, i should tell you, one person in the crowd challenged him on the stand your ground laws in florida. the law that backed up -- that
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helped in the death of trayvon martin, some would argue, and governor bush stood his ground saying he was proud of the way he handled gun laws when he was governor. >> a lot of discussion, a lot of conversation. athena jones for us there, thank you so much. still to come, the fallout of saudi/iran tensions grows quickly as another country pulls their ambassador from tehran.
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kuwait just recalled their ambassador to iran and became the latest country to side with saudi arabia in an escalating crisis that's threatening to further destabilize the middle east. tensions date back centuries but the intensifying situation erupted over the weekend after saudis executed an outspoken shiite cleric along with 40 accused terrorists. irania iranians retaliated by torching the embassy. fred fliken is with with us and nic robertson is live in saudi arabia. the saudis are also cutting flights and economic ties to iran. >> reporter: they are. this is an escalation and the sense that i get from talking to saudi officials here is this is not going to ease off any time in the near future. diplomatically there's a lot of international pressure to do this. there's the importance of the syria talks coming up.
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both sides need to be involved in that. they need to get down from the positions they're in right now. the saudi officials i'm talking to here really feel that saudi arabia is under pressure, its borders north and south from iranian interestings. they feel the iranians are meddling inside their country. the tensions are high and continue to get higher, deb. >> fred, you were recently in ir iran. how are they responding and why now? >> reporter: it's very interesting to see the iranian response because it's shifted since the attack on the embassy happened. what you're seeing are a lot of iranian officials coming out and condemning the fact that the saudi embassy was attacked. it's something that appears they're doing because of the international criticism that they've received because, of course, a host country has to keep the safety of an embassy even if there's a protest outside it. so the iranians have come out in the u.n. and said they regret it. the u.n. con criminal itself has
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condemned it. however, the saudis are keeping a very strong posture towards the iranians, keeping a strong posture to iranians today, unveiling a new missile base they put inside a mountain and heavily criticizing the saudis as well. the president rouhani came out and called the execution of the cleric a crime and said the saudis were trying to deflect attention from that. >> nic, even recently there was a move to improve relationships between saudi arabia and iran. why has it derailed so quickly, given there were efforts under way, especially with this new international community? >> reporter: well, the saudis from their perspective feel that the iranians were caught by surprise when they executed the shia cleric they say sponsors terrorism here. so, that would be their perspective on it. they had -- they were in talks
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in the same room as iranian representatives, to solve the syrian conflict, just before christmas. they were also talking to the houthas in yemen. there were talks going on on both fronts. they've seen significant losses in yemen and in syria. so, from a saudi perspective, that exertion of influence by iran that saudi arabia feels it needs to fight back against, they've seen and they feel that growing. again, they also feel that it goes on inside this country. >> fred, this morning's state department spokesman told cnn that u.s. officials are trying to avoid owning this feud. leaving it up to iran and saudi arabia to fix this issue. >> one thing we're doing is working hard to communicate with
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leaders throughout the region, directly, privately. our concerns about where this is going and the need to turn it around and to focus on key strategic issues in the region, like iraq, syria, isil, yemen. there's a lot of things on the agenda we want people to stay focused on. what we're not trying to do is get in the middle of this particular issue between saudi arabia and iran. we believe it's best for these two nations to work this out bilaterally. >> so, what are other countries doing, fred? is this perceived as a distraction or is this sort of just part of an ongoing conflict that cannot resolve itself? >> reporter: first of all, when john kirby says the u.s. doesn't want to get in this issue between the saudis and iranians, most of the middle east is in the middle in the rivalry between saudi arabia and iran. it's something that's defined a lot of the conflicts in the middle east. you look at iraq, syria, yemen, which nic was just talking about. the russians said they would be
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willing to mediate in this conflict. it's hard to see the saudis latching onto that because they have a lot of distrust towards the russians at this point in time because the russians are backing bashar al assad with their bombing campaign in syria. you have the turks who came out and said they would do anything to help mitigate or mediate in this conflict. we'll wait and see whether any of the countries latch onto that. at this point in time, it doesn't appear as though there is one nation willing to go in between and sort of take ownership of trying to get these two countries back on strak. it really appears as though saudi arabia and iran are going to have to sort this out by themselves without anybody exerting pressure on either of them. >> fred pleitgen recently returned from iran. nic robertson outside saudi arabia for us. thank you, both. we're heading to wall street. are we in for another wild day? what that means for your 401(k).
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let's head to wall street where the dow is dipping 50 points after a wild monday. alison kosik is live at the new york stock exchange. what's the mood there? >> you know what's funny -- not funny, to see a lot of anxious faces on the floor of the new york stock exchange. usually after you see such a
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selloff as we saw yesterday, you often see a strong bounceback the day after. the thing is, we're not seeing that today. also you look at how china performed overnight. china also tacked on more losses to what it had the previous session. european markets are a bit higher. actually mixed at the moment. still, we are set with the same thing we were set with yesterday. a new year and the same old worries with china. china's economic slowdown will hurt the world economy and that the slowdown will wind up hurting u.s. companies, especially those that have decent exposure to china like apple, walmart, tiffany's and yum brands. so investors could really be in for a rough stretch. in fact, we've already had some signals that stocks could have sort of a slower momentum going into 2016. you look at the year we're coming off of, 2015. the dow and the s&p 500 ending in the red for the first time since 2008. so, everybody wants to know, what's the prediction for this
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year? what is the prediction for 2016? many analysts say it's a choppy year with tepid returns. only single number returns. we got used to double digit returns for the dow and s&p 500. >> all right, hang on. alison kosik, thank you. manhattan real estate prices are soaring and are now higher than they've ever been. the average price you're going to pay for a home, just under $2 million, that breaks a 2008 record set right before the great recession. analysts say there are reasons prices are so high. inventory is low, credit is hard to get and a lot of competition in the market triggering bidding wars. nearly half of all sales that closed last year were although or above asking price. good morning, everyone.
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i'm deb feyerick in for carol costello. president obama is set to unveil his plans today aimed at gun violence. he's expected executive action. is angry many gun owners across the country. cnn's gary tuchman went inside one of the largest shows in america to get their perspective. >> reporter: organizers refer to it as miles of aisles. you can buy guns here from retail booths and from private detailers. >> i'm selling a 12-gauge bolt action. >> how much? >> $200. >> a 16-gauge, bolt action. >> how much does it sell for? >> $150. >> reporter: business at what is called the nation's gun show in virginia is good. so good the atms have run out of money. there are first-time buyers galo galore. what made you decide to buy a gun? >> i think it's the possibility our laws might change and we're not going to have that ability to protect ourselves. >> reporter: president obama
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taking executive action on guns has alarmed many of the people here. the owner of the company that puts on the show and about 85 others in the u.s. each year. what do you think the president of the united states really wants to do when it comes to guns? >> well, i think the end game with a lot of democrats is to confiscate them. >> reporter: is that what you think -- >> sure. >> reporter: is that what you think the president wants to do? >> maybe, yeah. i think maybe he does. >> reporter: another show the reason is jammed. >> the isis threat has increased business. that immediately increased business. >> i used to be a zero gun, you know, guy, but nowadays you don't even know who your opponents are. you have to be ready. >> reporter: opinions here are not black and white. there are people here who feel there should be an increase in firearms regulation, but what is extremely prevalent is a deep distrust and suspicion of the motivations of the federal government. >> it's a winchester 300.
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>> reporter: how much do you want to sell for it? >> i want six for it. >> reporter: 600? >> yeah. >> reporter: if you buy a gun from someone dealing in firearms, federal government requires background checks. and that's what's happening here. the information is then fed into computers before customers are allowed to buy their guns. police are present to arrest people when the computer checks indicate criminal violation, but the private dealers are not legally required to conduct background checks. >> i would ask you for a virginia driver's license. that way i know you're from within the state. >> reporter: but if i gave you a fake virginia driver's license, you would never know? >> i would have no idea. >> reporter: would you trust me? do i have an honest face? >> i would trust you. >> reporter: but that being said, sometimes if you don't think someone has honest face, you get a bad vibe, you don't sell it? >> you have to go with your gut competition. >> this is an sd smith and wesson, 40 caliber. it's a lot like a glock.
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>> reporter: jerry cochran is one of the retailers doing a booming business here. >> we sell any kind of gun, any kind of legal gun you can buy. >> reporter: he's also a minority here who thinks things should be more stringent. >> i think there should be more background checks. i think if they're in the business they should do a background check. >> reporter: many here believe the government should be more concerned about mental illness than making it hard to buy a gun, but they are aware things are about to change. >> it's obama, you know. he wants to do what he thinks is in the best interest of the country. i disagree strongly with him on this issue. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn, chantilly, virginia. >> and the president's proposed action would set around $500 million for mental health care. according to a recent cnn poll, 40% of americans said they were in favor of stricter gun control laws while 51% were opposed. when you break those numbers
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down among party lines there's a sharp divide. 74% of democrats in favor of stricter laws while just 23% of republicans feel the same way. with me now to discuss is political commentator roth and director for the center for politics at university of virginia, larry sabado. how is the president's plan going to resonate with voters? >> it's actually a very strange move, i think, by the president because on the one hand, the political optics of doing a big -- or what's being cast as a major executive action on guns seems calculated to feed the kind of anxieties we just saw in the last segment. people who feel like the president wants to do something big on guns and they better buy guns now because they're going to be confiscated tomorrow. you have the heightening of the political station but the impact from the move, as far as i can tell, it involves slightly tweaking the distinction between
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who gets to count as just a private seller, who doesn't need a background check to sell guns and who counts as a gun dealer, so on. it's hard to imagine it having much of an impact at all on gun sales one way or another. in a sense gun owners are wrong to worry because this really is a modest move. on the other hand, it's a situation where the president is doing something that's inevitably going to look controversial for very little practical reward. >> so, larry, talk a little about that because we've heard words that don't make it seem as the proposed executive action has any real teeth to it. the president is doing what he can, but it's effectively going after the low-hanging fruit. >> yes, i think that's basically correct. look, politically it has two effects. it energizes the democratic base and, therefore, potentially the turnout in a big election year.
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and it energizes the republican base and the turnout in an election year. it's another one of these zero sum games we play with social issues. that whole cluster of social issues, gun control, abortion, gay rights, immigration, increasingly, those are the issues that divide us and help to reinforce the basic partisan split that defines the country. >> you talk about the basic partisan split. the country is so deeply polarized. is there any candidate that will emerge as a unifier, effectively, larry? >> no. i can't give you a long answer to that because as i look at the candidates on both sides, quite naturally, they're playing to their party base to get the nomination. once they get the nomination, they're going to reflect the party platform and the party platform reflects the polarization. so, no.
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>> ross whushgs look at -- ross, last word. >> i was going to say, larry's right that these cluster of culture war issues divide us but they divide us in different ways and the numbers move in different ways. gun control has been a losing issue for liberals and democrats for a little while now in a way that, say, same-sex marriage has not been. it's true that obama is sort of mobilizing his own base as well as the republican base, but the republican party just has many more voters who care deeply about guns than does the democratic party. overall, the country has swung in a more anti-gun control direction over the last 20 years. if you're just -- gerngs not every culture war issue is created equal. some culture war issues liberals are winning, this one conservatives and gun rights activists are winning and i don't think this is going to change that. >> thank you both so very much, gentlemen. happy new year. and still to come -- iraqi forces may have celebrated the
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liberation of ramadi last week, but isis militants remain and the deadly battle is raging on.
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see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. the deadly war on isis continues in ramadi. iraqi forces celebrated the liberation of the key city last week but isis forces who first took ramadi in may remain, along with deadly booby traps. nima elbagir is live with the toll its taking on those. >> reporter: deb, it is so hard to get any numbers from the fallout from this, but in one
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district, on only one day, the clean-up crews, the counterterrorists clean-up crews, told us they counted 50 bodies. this is what they showed us, deb. iraqi helicopters keep a watchful eye in the sky above and all around what remains of ramadi after six months of isis rule. driving through here, you just get hit by the des lags, the devastation that was visited on this city. the what the air strikes and ground offensive didn't destroy, isis rigged to blow. ramadi fell in may last year and since then, the iraqi counterterrorist officers have battled to reclaim it, every inch and advance through the unknown. >> okay? >> yeah, here okay. >> reporter: the only way we can
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safely walk is in his foot steps. even though they've cleared this area, even though they've held it for the last few days, there are still areas within this that are booby-trapped. ramadi was home to nearly a million people. today as troops continue their push, we're told possibly over 1,000 families remain trapped. facing death amidst the rubble. as the battle for ramadi has raged, it's been hard to get a sense of the toll on civilians, but in this video filmed for cnn, you can see soldiers race across a sniper alley to escort a white-flag waving boy and his family. those who can't walk are carried, all desperate to escape. this man describes the horror his family faced. isis tried to take us away, he says. young, old, ill. they wanted to take us all.
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in this clip, soldiers gather what remains of the dead. some, like this woman, appear to have been shot. others blown to pieces by ieds. much of what was filmed is too graphic to show you, like the remains of a little boy carried to burial. all over ramadi, remnants of isis's rule still stand. this is what would have been an isis suicide car bomb. you can see the keys actually still inside the ignition. they climb in through the top. there's a hole cut out of the roof around here, around the back, this is where they pack the explosives here in the bed of the pickup truck. cars like these are what have been coming towards the iraqi forces every single day since liberation packed full of explosives ready to blow. the head of iraq's counterterrorism force says the liberation of ramadi should be
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celebrated around the world. that this is just the first of the victories to come. here in ramadi, night falls, more rescued families escape. this little girl can't stop crying. for her, for now, all that matters is she's safe. there are hundreds of families just like the ones we showed you there, deb, still trapped inside ramadi. and it is dangerous. it is painstaking. it is slow. but iraqi forces are trying to bring out as many as they can whenever they can. >> it's just remarkable to see the images, the bodies, the families who weathered this time in ramadi. it's almost has to have the feeling of a ghost town, doesn't it, as you drive through there, nima? >> reporter: absolutely. some kind of abandoned, haunted,
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extraordinarily macabre town. and then every once in a while you'll hear a voice, you'll see something that makes you remember that people lived here. you'll see an abandoned shoe or a kid's notebook. the hope is -- i mean, we always talk about taking territory and holding territory. i think it's often easy to lose sight of the fact that these were people's homes and that the end goal of this isn't to take and keep and hold. it is to create a reality where people can come home and live their lives. >> that's going to take quite a long time. nima elbagair, stay safe. still to come, new demands from that armed protest in oregon. the sheriff's message for the activists straight ahead.
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we have breaking news out of southern afghanistan involving u.s. troops. let's get right to cnn's chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto. what are you learning? >> the deadly fire fight involving u.s. special operations forces, a joint operation with afghan commandos, this was in marja, during that fire fight i was told one u.s. soldier was killed in that action. other casualties as well. after the fire fight a u.s. medevac helicopter landed at the site. while it was on the ground, it was hit by mortar fire, mortar shells nearby. there was concern it damaged the rotors, but it was able to take off. the helicopter not in danger. this was a deadly fire fight.
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one u.s. soldier killed in action. there are other injuries. keep in mind, it was a joint u.s./afghan operation. initial reports of something worse. this now looks to be still a deadly fire fight but that the helicopter was not damaged beyond repair. it was able to take off. >> jim sciutto, thanks much. we'll let you get back to your sources and get more details for us. thank you. we go to cnn military analyst, rick francona. colonel, talk to me about u.s. special ops in that region. what are they doing and how are they working in concert with the afghan forces? >> yeah, deb, this is part of the ongoing mission in afghanistan. it's not only to train and advise the afghan forces. it's also to conduct counterterrorism operations. that's what this was. they're doing this either alone or in concert with the afghan forces. this happened to be a join operation. this is aside from the normal mission.
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we see this going on every day. this one happened to have a fire fight in which an american soldier, unfortunately, was killed. >> you look at the interaction and obviously we go back to afghanistan. there's such a debate right now as to whether there should be more troops on the ground. what sort of an impact does something like this have either in terms of policy or whether u.s. forces are sent to very hostile regions? >> yeah, this is going to be part of the ongoing debate. it's going to happen very soon. general campbell, commander of u.s. forces in afghanistan, said there's been a series of proposals to the pentagon and they were not going to sit well in washington. we can translate into meaning he's going to ask for a higher level of troops than what is scheduled. we're scheduled to draw down at the end of this year to about 5500 troops. he does not believe that's sufficient. we have incidents like this and we see the tal been on the rise, particularly in helmand province. he's going to want more troops
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and more troops of the special forces variety that can conduct these counterterrorism operations to go after the taliban where they are. >> final question, when you look at this, again, with the debate centering on whether troops go in or not, what is the advantage, for example, of having special operations forces on the ground, working with the locals, working with troops friendly to the u.s.? >> well, it's also -- it's always good to have american forces to do these operations because, of course, our forces are the best and they do this for a living. they've got years and years of experience behind them doing this. as we try and train the afghans to do, this we find it's been very difficult to get them up to the level of competence needed to conduct these very, very technical, very, very sensitive operations. so, the more u.s. special forces troops we have in country, the more effective we can be going after these taliban resure againcies. >> lieutenant colonel rick francona, we thank you for
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new demands in that oregon face-off between armed protesters and the government. the group spokesman ammon bundy tweeting last night, they won't leave until the hammonds are free and the federal government gives up control of the malheur national forest. ammon bunty didn't always detest the government. cnn just learning in 2010 he received more than500,000 from a federal loan program. we're in oregon following the latest developments. paul, what are you witnessing right now? >> reporter: well, right now at this compound in malheur, you
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can see they locked the entrance to it, and that trickle of information that back in 2010 ammon bundy did, in fact, receive a $530,000 loan through the small business administration. that loan for his valley fleet services, a truck maintenance company out of arizona. of course, ammon bundy, son of cliven, well known for the standoff they had. his suggestion that the federal government get off this land here, he calls it a shameless land grab. he's calling his group the citizens for constitutional freedom, but in the meantime, there has been a side effect to all of this. for example, in burns, public schools are closed. there seems to be a lot of frustration there. the sheriff said in so many words he wants ammon bundy and the rest of these demonstrators to get out of town. >> you said you were here to help the citizens. that help ended when a peaceful protest became an armed occupation.
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the hammonds have turned themselves in. it's time for you to leave our community. >> reporter: and the hammonds are the father and son ranchers from around here who are indicted on arson charges and serving the rest of their sentence. they have distanced themselves from protesters here, saying they don't support this move to take over this complex of buildings on the remote malheur reserve. back to you. >> paul, it's just so interesting to see this group, these armed activists kind of walking around. you say you haven't seen any firearms, per se. but they're just walking around. it's almost like they're visiting this wildlife refuge, not taking it or occupying it under siege conditions. they say they're ready, prepared and willing to wait it out. it's very cold where you are. we see that. of course, we'll be following this much more as the days progress. paul, thank you so much.
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that will do it for me. thank you for joining me this tuesday. i'm deborah feyerick for carol costello. "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts right now. hello, i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm john berman. we have breaking news. a fire fight involving u.s. troops in afghanistan. we want to get straight to cnn's chief national correspondent, jim sciutto. new details. what are we learning? >> reporter: this was a joint u.s./afghan counterterror operation, took place in southern afghanistan in helmand province near the town of marjah. during that operation, one u.s. service member were killed, other casualties as well. this was a joint u.s./afghan operation, so those casualties could be a mix of u.s. and afghan. during that operation, a medac

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