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are you suggesting that the notion that we are creating a plot to take everybody's guns away so that we can impose martial law is a conspiracy? yes, that is a conspiracy. i would hope that you would agree with that. is that controversial? except on some website around the country -- >> there are certainly a lot of people who just have a fundamental distrust that you do not want to get -- go further and further and furts down this road. >> look, i mean, i'm only going to be here for another year. i don't know when would i have started on this enterprise? right? i come from the state of illinois, which we've been talking about chicago but down state illinois is closer to kentucky than it is to chicago. and everybody hunts down there,
and a lot of folks own guns, and so this is not like alien territory to me. i've got a lot of friends like mark who are hunters. i just came back from alaska where i ate a moose that had just been shot, and it was pretty good. so yes, it is a false notion that i believe is circulated for either political reasons or commercial reasons in order to prevent a coming together among people of good will to develop common sense rules to make it safer while preserving the second amendment and the notion that we can't agree on some things while not agreeing on
others and the reason for that is because well, the president secretly wants to do x. would mean that we would be paralyzed about doing everything. i mean, maybe when i propose to make sure that, you know, unsafe drugs are taken off the market that secretly i'm trying to control the entire drug industry or take people's drugs away, but probably not. what's more likely is i just want to make sure that people are not dying by taking bad drugs. >> you wrote an op ed that just got published. a lot of people probably have not read it yet. one of the things you say in it is that you are not going to cam taken for, vote for any candidate regardless of what party they are in if they do not support common sense gun reform. [ applause ] >> yes. i meant what i said. the reason i said that is this.
the majority of people in this country are a lot more sensible than what you see in washington. and the reason that washington doesn't work well, in part, is frz because the loudest, shrillest voices, the least compromising, the most powerful, or those with the most money have the most influence. and the way washington changes is when people vote. and the way we break the deadlock on this issue is when congress does not have just a stranglehold on this debate or -- excuse me, the nra does
not have a stranglehold on congress in this debate, but it is balanced by a whole bunch of folks, gun owners, law enforcement, the majority of the american people, when their voices are heard, then things get done. the proposals we put forward are a version, a lawful more narrow version of what was proposed by joe mansion and senator toomey of pennsylvania, a republican and a democrat, both of whom get straight-a scores from the nra. and somehow after new town, that did not pass the senate. the majority of senators wanted it, but 90% of republicans voted against it. and i'll be honest with you, 90% of the senators didn't disagree with the proposal, but they were fearful that it was going to affect them during the election.
so all i'm saying is that this debate will not change and get balanced out so that lawful gun owners and their second amendment rights get protected but we're also creating a pathway toward a safer set of communities, it's not going to change until those who are concerned about violence are not as focused and disciplined during election time as those who are. i'm going to throw my shoulders behind folks who want to actually solve problems instead of just getting a high score from an interest group. >> we have time for one more question. we talked about chicago a little bit. we haven't really heard from young people tonight, no offense to those who have spoken. because i'm in the same category as you are. sorry, father. there's a lot of kids, as you know, growing up in chicago,
fearful of walking to school, fearful of coming home from school. a lot of kids have been killed on buses. there's a lot of moms of kids who have been killed in the streets of chicago and i want you to meet tre bosley, a high school student, and his brother was shot and killed ten years ago helping a friend in a church parking lot. terrell would have turned 28 years old on this tuesday. what's your question, tre? >> yeah, as you said, i lost my brother a few years ago -- well, ten years ago and i've also lost countless amount of family members and friends to gun violence, as well, and just speaking on growing up as a young black teen in chicago where you're surrounded by not only just gun violence but police brutality, as well, most of us aren't thinking of our life on the long-term scale. most of us are either thinking day-to-day, hour to hour, or for some of us even minute to minute. i wanted to thank you for your stand against gun violence for not only the victims of gun violence but those on the verge of being victims of gun violence and my question to you is, what
is your advice to those youth growing up surrounded by poverty and gun violence? >> well, first of all, terrell, i couldn't be prouder and i know is that your mom next to you? i know she's proud of you right now. so good job, mom. you know, when i see you, terrell, i think about my own -- >> tre. >> excuse me, tre. when i see you i think about my own youth because i wasn't that different from you, probably not as articulate and maybe more of a goof off, but the main difference was i lived in a more forgiving environment. if i screwed up, i wasn't at risk of getting shot. i'd get a second chance. there were a bunch of folks who were looking out for me and there weren't a lot of guns on the streets, and that's how all kids should be growing up. wherever they live.
i mean, my main advice to you is to continue to be an outstanding role model for the young ones who are coming up behind you. keep listening to your mom. work hard and get an education. understand that high school and whatever peer pressure or restrictions you're under right now won't matter by the time you're a full adult and what matters is your future. but what i also want to say to you is that you're really important to the future of this country, and i think it is critical in this debate to understand that it's not just inner-city kids who are at risk in these situations. out of the 30,000 deaths due to gun violence, about two-thirds of them are actually suicides.
that's part of the reason why we're investing more heavily in mental health under my proposal. but while the majority of victims of gun homicide are black or hispanic, the overwhelming majority of suicides by young people are white, and those, too, are tragedies. those, too, are preventable. i'm the father of two outstanding young women but being a teenager is tough and, you know, we all remember that times where you get confused, you're angry and then next thing you know if you have access to a firearm what kind of bad decisions you might make. so those are deaths we also want to prevent. accidental shootings are also deaths we want to prevent and we're not going to prevent all
of them, but we can do better. we're not going to -- through this initiative alone solve all the problems of inner city crime. some of that as i said has to do with investing in the communities and making sure there is good education and jobs and opportunity and -- [ applause ] and you know, great parents, and moral responsibility and ethical behavior and instilling that in our kids. that's going to be important. so this is not a proposal to solve every problem. it's a modest way of us getting started on improving the prospects of young men and young women like you the same way we try to improve every other aspect of our lives. that's all it is, and if we get started as i said before, used to be people didn't wear seat belts, didn't have air bags, it takes 20, 30 years but you look and then you realize all these amazing lives of young people
like this who are contributing to our society because we came together in a practical way, looking at evidence, looking at data and figured out how can we make that work better? right now, congress prohibits us even studying through the center for disease control ways in which we can reduce gun violence. that's how crazy this thing has become. let's at least figure out what works and some of the propels that i'm making may turn out are not as effective as others but at least let's figure it out and try some things and let's just not assume that every few weeks there's mass shooting that gets publicity. every few months, there is one that gets national publicity. every day there are a whole bunch of folks shot on streets around the country that we don't even hear about. that is -- that is not something
that we can be satisfied with and part of my faith and hope in america is just that not that we achieve a perfect union but that we get better and we can do better than we're doing now if we come together. [ applause ] thank you. >> mr. president, thank you very much for your time. i want to thank everybody here who took part, everyone who made this vital conversation possible, president obama, all our guests, george mason university, thank you very much. >> good job, man. not something you see every day, the president of the united states going head to head with his critics on one of the most divisive issues in this country. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. thank you. also tonight this dramatic
moment from donald trump's rally in south carolina. i'm going to talk to the muslim woman who was kicked out of that rally. but let's begin with president obama and his legacy. doug, this was a remarkable town hall, the president answering questions and facing his critics. what did you think about it? >> very remarkable. what i was very impressed with is how the president has been able to reach out to survivors of all these tragedies of tucson, people like gabby giffords. i talked to people who lost somebody at aurora or virginia tech and he brought them all together and he is playing a healing role to these families that have been -- had to endure the mass shootings. and beyond that, i thought it was a wonderful form. i hope there are more of these kind of town halls that the president does on this issue. i found it very useful and informative. >> as you know, being a historian, the president has to
be concerned at this point about his legacy. do you think his eight years in office will be defined in some way by gun violence and the fact he is doing something about it is it going to be a part of his legacy? >> a very big part. i don't think it will be defined by it. the fact he inherented the recession and how the economy does will be a very big deal. but no doubt about it. when he ran in 2008 you had the district of columbia versus heller, the supreme court decision 5-4 based in washington, d.c. that gave some life to the second amendment notion of the right to bear arms. so president obama is really the first president has had to deal with a very invigorated nra like they've never been before and at the same time having to deal with just these tragedy after tragedy after tragedy. i keep picturing the historic
markers at the spots of the fallen that we have to erect and are erecting. i think the town hall was an opening salvo of the president last night and you'll see round two of the state of the union to start making this a legacy issue for his post-presidency not just his last year. >> the president admitted that entering into his last year he feels humble because he realizes that changes take a long time. it's hard for presidents to -- for them to accept that they can accomplish everything they wanted and it's hard for this president to do that as well. >> well, of course. but look at how he's stalking out that territory. no one is going to solve climate change very quickly but the president is making that a fundamental part of his foreign policy right now and gets a lot of heat from critics on the
right and now he's taking on the second amendment issue or gun reform laws in america. and that's controversial. but they come from the heart. i mean, the week started with the tears in the president's eyes at the white house when he started talking about the first graders that were killed in connecticut. and then it flashed us back to when he sang "amazing grace" in charlton to the heinous crime that was there. and i think we are going to see that barack obama is becoming a griever in chief on these things. we count on him to almost hand hold through some of these crises and it's logical he is not dropping this issue at this moment in time with 30,000 gun deaths a year. >> i'm sure you read this op ed in the "new york times" before the town hall. here's what he says, even as i take every action possible as president i will take every action i can as a citizen.
i will not support any candidate even if my own party who does not support common sense gun reform. and if the 90% of americans who do support common sense gun reforms join me we will elect the leadership we deserve. >> i really truly do think it's going to be a big part of the obama presidential library in chicago. he's going to have to build that there. he's going to have to reach out to his hometown, chicago is hurting right now. spy lee's movie chi-raq, it is awful what is going on in chicago and the presidential library is going to be in chicago. i guarantee this issue is one we're going the hear president obama reminding us, talking, educating, going into schools, communicating with about -- for the coming years, it means
something to him. his personality gets different when he starts talking about the senseless deaths that have occurred over the last seven years while he's been president. >> i wonder what kind of reaction this is going to get in the state of the union. the white house will leave one seat empty on tuesday the first lady's box. how much of the speech he's going to dedicate to this particular topic? >> i think it will be a major part of it. i think it will also be very emotional if he starts calling on some of the families that have had to endure these mass shootings. and everybody will have to honor their presence in the room. it's very humbling. yesterday at george mason i said hi, i'm doug brinkley, what are you doing here and she said i lost my daughter in aurora. what do you say to that? there is a kind of moral
presence to the survivors and the president's become a leader for these families and it's a very interesting dynamic that's developing between these various non-profit gun control groups at the white house at this moment in time. >> douglas before i let you go i want to ask about bill clinton and tony blair. the clinton library released the transcripts of phone calls. they talk about their children to princess diana's death to vladimir putin. clinton says that putin has a lot of ability and ambitions for the russians. his intentions are generally honorable and straight forward but he just hasn't made up his mind yet. what is your reaction? >> i think it would have hurt hillary clinton's campaign a comment like that if donald trump hasn't been giving hugs to putin in the last few weeks. my take away from this batch of
clinton material is that it shows how close clinton was to tony blair. many people talk about ronald reagan and margaret thatcher. there is a bill clinton-tony blair biography there. and this is grist for that mill. it is a special friendship they developed. >> douglas brinkley have a great weekend. >> thanks, take care. when we come back, why was this woman kicked out of donald trump's rally today? we'll find out why she found the situation scary. it took joel silverman years to become a master dog trainer. but only a few commands to master depositing checks at chase atms. technology designed for you. so you can easily master the way you bank.
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and now it's time for the day in trump. donald trump fired up a mostly cheering crowd in his rally in south carolina tonight. several protesters were taken out including a muslim woman who sat quietly during the speech. >> jeff, a shocking moment at the rally, what happened? >> it sure was. we have seen protesters at the rallies all over the country. but we haven't seen moments exactly like this. about 30 minutes into the rally or so, there was a bit of a commotion happening behind the speaker, behind mr. trump. there was a silent protest.
a 56-year-old flight attendant was standing silently and the people around her were watching to see exactly what was happening. and suddenly a police officer establish co escorted her out. she came to the rally to show trump supporters what a muslim looked like and she is just like them and a proud american as well. when she was walked up the steps i was struck by how the crowd treated her, as someone did a hands down thing to her and others were screaming and across the hall some people were saying very not nice things that i won't repeat here. that's what i was struck by how the crowd reacts. this is all inflamed by the rhetoric that has been going on the last couple of months. >> we just saw the video of the guy giving her the thumb's down
and his wife pulls him away. was donald trump aware what was going on? >> i do not believe he was aware exactly what was going on. all of this was sort of a -- started with other people being escorted out. it was a series of protests. he stopped speaking for a while. but i don't believe he knew specifically who was being led out and rose was sitting directly behind him. i do not believe he saw what was happening. and he asked his aides for a reaction why she but thrown out and they have not returned our questions. >> jeff zeleny thank you very much. i want to bring in rose hamid. she was the one standing in the crowd and was kicked out. so rose, what happened? >> i'm not sure. i think that my purpose for going there as was mentioned is
i have the sincere belief if people get to know each other one-on-one they will stop being afraid of each other and we can get rid of the hate in the world. that is my goal was to let people see that muslims are not that scary. and the people around me were lovely. there was people who were very nice and sharing their popcorn. it was very nice people around me, the people i had conversations with. but then what happened when the crowd got this hateful crowd mentality as i was being escorted. it was really quite telling and a vivid example of what happens when you start using this hateful rhetoric and how it can incite a crowd where moments ago were very kind to me. one woman reached over and shook my hand and said i'm so sorry this is happening to you. >> you said you wanted to show people that muslims are just like you.
some people would say why would you even put yourself in that position to be around those people? >> because i don't want to think of them as those people. i think that's what the problem is. we look at people and categorize them as those people are bad people and these are good people and i believe that people in all camps are decent people when you get to know them as was evident of the people around me who were very lovely people. but it's when you get that hateful rhetoric going is what incites people. i never felt truly threatened. i was not afraid of these people. i truly believe that the decent people would have stood up and not permitted that. that's my belief. >> what were they saying to you? they were booing and shouting at you to get out. did one person really say you have a bomb!
>> one guy was saying get out, do you have a bomb? no, do you have a bomb? they were saying ugly things. one person was saying god is great. and one person said jesus loves you. i said yeah, i know, jesus loves you too. they don't know what that are saying, they are ride up in the hate mongering and don't know what they're saying. i basically feel sorry for them. they don't know what they're missing. donald trump has told me he has a lot of muslim friends. do you believe that? >> i don't know. you have to define friends, i guess. >> go on. >> i just don't know. i just don't think -- i don't know what would he call a friend? i can't answer that. do i believe he has friends? obviously he has business dealings with muslims. but i don't know if he really knows what muslims stand for and
i don't think -- i don't even think he believes in the rhetoric that he's spewing. i think he's just saying stuff to get attention and get his numbers up. >> you're not the first person to say that. donald trump is a native new yorker and there are all types of people in new york city. you said something that is profound. i went there not because of these people but you don't want people to look at these people as these people. but your treatment, were you surprised by how you were treated? or did you think people would be accepting and embrace you? >> i think it played out like i had kind of envisioned. i knew the people i made contact with would be decent, nice people. when you make human contact, that's what happens. when you don't, the opposite is what happens. so i'm not 100% surprised.
i knew that -- i've seen what happens before at other trump rallies. but i don't want to lump all of them as those people either. i think that everybody's redeemable. everybody's got good qualities, just depends what they are hearing or allowing themselves to be influenced by. >> you wore the t-shirt to the rally and is that a star? i have a very small monitor in here. tell us about it. >> it is a star. >> yeah, tell us about that. >> the t-shirt says salam, i come in peace. it's from coolmuslimshirts.com. it expressed what i wanted to say. you shouldn't be afraid of me, i'm coming in peace, that old saying. and that's what the shirt is about. i wanted to be visibly saying so that people wouldn't harass me.
i'm coming here peacefully and islam is a peaceful religion and islam is part of salam. >> is this yellow patch a star reminiscent of one jews wore during the holocaust? >> yes, it is. the whole concept of categorizing muslims or putting muslims in, you know, a database and having them have special identification cards, it's very reminiscent of the nazi mentality. >> what do you want people at that rally to know about you? they may not have got to hear you speak then but may see you in this interview. >> i want them to know that they shouldn't be afraid of muslims. muslims are not the problem. people who rant -- i guess extreme views on all fronts are
the ones we need to be wary of. i'm expecting and hoping that people will learn more about what islam really says. we have more alike than there are different. we worship the same god. we honor the same profits. so that's -- it's something that we -- they should not be afraid of muslims. especially muslims living in america. we're just trying to live the american dream, whatever that might be. >> do you support a candidate right now? >> i'm still looking around. i'm still shopping. >> would donald trump be among them, possibly? >> no. i'm sorry, but after -- i mean he has some valid points. but just his style, i think would not be a good place for america to be. >> yeah, rose hamid. thank you. we appreciate you coming on cnn. have a great weekend.
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matt lewis, author of "too dumb to fail" happy friday night. i'm going to start with you your reaction, kayleigh. we just spoke with her. what is your take? >> i watched her interview. she seems like a very nice lady but what she did was not welcome at a rally. she deserved to be escorted out. she was wearing the yellow star with the word muslim on it. the implication of that is that trump is like hitler. hitler killed 6 million jews. that is not rhetoric at a rally. and she is right behind the candidate. that's not okay. and it's worth mentioning on a night when a man in philadelphia fired 13 shots at a police officer in the name of isis, rose chose to incite people at this rally. >> i think that trump is being
consistent with how he handled other protesters in this. he has kicked out protesters in pretty much all of his campaign events so far. in vermont the other night he was threatening one man not to give his coat back in negative 10 degrees. so i think that what the girl -- or what the woman did was good. i'm glad she is raising awareness but at the end of the day, trump's campaign is being consistent. >> what bothers me about this it's a psychological and isobso logical way of mob mentality. the way the crowd turns on her yelling at her, it is unfortunate. it's human nature if you have a charismatic leader getting them riled up. it would be nice for donald trump to calm things down at
that moment to step in and calm things down. >> there is no indication he knew what was going on. >> according to jeff zeleny he didn't know what was going on. and it wasn't 10 be you low zero but it was 30 degrees. >> still cold. >> there is a new fox poll out tonight. iowa, ted cruz is maintaining his lead at 27%. marco rubio coming in third at 15%. and in new hampshire, trump has a double-digit lead over the rest of the field coming in at 33%. and rubio is at 15%. and cruz is third at 12%. your reaction to the new numbers? >> this is really interesting. we are getting close to iowa and new hampshire. the fact that trump isn't just maintaining but widening his lead i think is really important. this isn't going to blow over.
we're past that stage. the fact that cruz is not just winning iowa but he could be third or a close third or snag second in new hampshire, that would be really interesting if cruz wins iowa and comes in second in new hampshire. we know he is poised to do well in the s.e.c. primary. cruz could be off and running. and chris christie seems to have disintegrated in new hampshire. we all thought that chris christie might have a moment and win new hampshire and it looks like he is going the wrong direction. >> and national head to head polls, hillary clinton loses to trump, cruz, and marco rubio. so no doubt all three but especially trump, who loves the polls are going to be singing from the top of the roofs, matt. >> yeah, and it's funny a lot of people thought, well, okay, donald trump's not going to be able to win a general election. we're gong to make the electoral argument against him. but we'll tell voters if you
really want to win the election you have to go with marco rubio. well, who knows. this is a crazy year. you can't make that argument. there are numerous republicans who have a shot to beat hillary and i think that donald trump for all the problems i have with him i am not convinced he couldn't win the general election. >> say that again? >> for all the problems i have with donald trump the notion that hillary would trounce him automatically -- >> is that new? >> i don't know that i've said that publicly, don. >> and bernie? >> i don't think -- i don't think bernie has much of a shot, honestly. but i think that's a different dynamic, bernie's not going to make it out of the democratic primary. >> i am flummoxed. someone admitted it finally on television. lauren, trump -- anybody else want to comment on that? lauren would you like to?
i think trump has more support than people realize. >> there are five candidates that are splitting the establishment vote. of course he is winning in double digits. once people start to fall off assuming they will fall off because everyone has see much money right now you will see the support coalescing around one or two candidates. the candidates have 50% of the vote right now and trump has 30%. at some point it's going to give. but just a matter of what happens in new hampshire and arizona. >> and a lot of the vote could go to cruz. if huckabee and santorum drop out, those voters probably go to ted cruz. >> cruz had 20 and trump is at 35 nationally in that poll. >> and to matt's point, if you look at trump's twitter feed there is a tweet of 20,000 people standing in a line in
vermont to see him. that is aon tstonishing. you are right, don, when you say that he has a lot of support, they are all looking at national polls, that is a big mistake. he needs 270 electoral votes and he has a lot of people who are going to show up. >> so here's the thing, when you say, matt, it's a different dynamic with bernie sanders. if you look at bernie sanders' rallies he is drawing huge crowds but he's not the front runner. and donald trump drawing huge crowds but he is the front runner, right? >> right. >> so what gives here? the crowds, the young people love bernie sanders and showing up in droves but not translating to the polls. >> this might sound a little superficial. i think that hillary clinton
could have been vulnerable this time around and be ernie is -- bernie is illustrating that. >> all those people want him to be the right man so it's rah, rah, rah? or what? >> i think the fact that young people like him -- i don't think he's a serious candidate with a real chance to win the democratic nomination. if howard dean if you take the 2004 howard dean campaign and put it this year, then i think hillary might be in real danger. i think that dean was a more plausible president. i just don't think bernie, this grandfatherly candidate realistically could be president. >> i think you're wrong, that's what he would say. kayleigh, i think for all things donald trump you heard the question i asked, what do you think of that?
>> i think bernie sanders sealed his fate when he said let's stop talking about hillary clinton's bleep e-mails. and he used a curse word there. bernie sanders is trying to stay above the fray and that doesn't work. when he did that he validated her and didn't allow people to get into the scandals. >> and the guy who goes after hillary is trump. >> and i want to talk about matt lewi lewis' piece. why do people care about his boots and not isis. >> one is they are trying to turn him into a dandy, that this is like -- >> lauren is shaking her head. >> i think the other angle that people talk about is that saying that he is short.
we have this machismo thing happening on the right. and taller men make more money, taller men get more chicks and taller men win more elections. >> i cannot believe we are talking about marco rubio's boots. i mean, this is a comment by trump to distract against any gains that rubio is making in the polls. he is distracting by emasculating him. the comment is ridiculous. >> i'm 6'8". when i put on my cowboy boots i'm 7 feet tall. >> but he's not going to win south carolina voters. >> he only wore them because of the heels. he wants to be taller. thank you. when we come back the jackpot for tomorrow's power ball drawing is $800 mill. we can all dream but what are the odds of winning?
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town was going down, and no one was showing up. and so, we as koreans figured that out really quickly. there's a point where you and i look at each other and say -- >> they're not coming. >> they're not coming. you know, like -- >> the choppers will not be here anytime soon. >> that's when all the stuff started to go down. >> roy choi is a second-generation korean-american. he lives in los angeles. he's the owner-operator of four groundbreaking and much-loved food trucks, among the first to harness the strange and terrible powers of social media to alert customers to where to find delicious food. >> this was the command post. from here, you know, you could look and you could see if fires were going on. >> when the los angeles riots happened in 1992, roy was 22 years old. and this plaza's rooftop played a central role for koreans defending their town. but let's back up a bit. after the immigration act of
1965, thousands of koreans began arriving in l.a. the first to arrive were mostly middle class, college educated, hoping to make a lateral move into american society. but unless you have a medical or engineering degree, that turned out to be tough. they found work as merchants, store owners, opened liquor stores, groceries, massage studios, dry cleaners. they did that in an area that was, as it's called, underserved. where major chains feared to tread, where others preferred to abandon, koreans moved in. so 1992 -- four l.a. police officers are on trial for what sure as hell looked to me like a wildly excessive and prolonged beating of an unarmed rodney king. in april of that year, they were acquitted. for me, it was a holy [ expletive ], i never saw that coming moment. for african-americans it was a somewhat ruder surprise.
to say people were angry would be an understatement. >> they don't represent the people no more! >> south central was that way. so you could almost feel it like a tidal wave coming. >> the lapd were completely unprepared for what happened next. >> everything you see right here, all this was being looted, chairs and rocks and everything being thrown through walls. if you go straight down western on venice, the whole plaza burned on fire. we were calling 911, and there was no response. >> did the cops come at all? >> i was here all three days. i didn't see any cops. >> well, where did they set up their front line? >> rodeo drive. >> where did the forces of law and order set up their perimeter? not here. koreatown was left to its own devices. the official borders are third street on the north end, olympic boulevard to the south, vermont avenue in the east and western avenue to the west. that's three square miles left pretty much to burn or fend for itself.
this rooftop quickly became the command post for rapidly improvised korean defense forces. they armed themselves, set up crude but effective command and control, communication and patrols. >> we weren't going around just slugging and capping people. all that was happening was just don't break down my store. making sure our parents, our uncles, our families, these stores, this town, stays alive. >> 58 people were killed. only a quarter of korean-owned businesses survived, either destroyed outright during the riots or abandoned afterwards by owners who felt the entire underpinning of their contract with america had shifted. yet today, koreatown is bigger and better and forever changed by what happened in 1992. dong il jang, however, is as unwaveringly old school as you
get. roy and i sit down with roy kim, whose grandfather opened the place in 1978. like most korean restaurants at the time, you didn't mess with the original, ever. and like most korean father-son relationships, you obeyed dad's wishes, no matter what. >> my father opened put all this redwood and cherry, to this day i can't touch certain things here. >> i can see he doesn't let you change the uniforms, either. >> no. he still controls the restaurant. >> you just do the work. >> i just do the work. as a korean, he knows. >> we start with bonchon, all those freebie plates of pickles, preserves, kimchi, a spicy squid or two. no bonchon. no meal. >> you know what this restaurant has that a lot of restaurants are going away from are the chairless rooms. >> the feet under, knees forward, feet under? >> the tea ceremony. no can do.
>> that was punishment for koreans. >> and with a book over your head. >> for hours. >> what would a crime be? what got you into that position? >> it could be as minimal as a 94 on a test. >> korean parents? well, let's just say they veer toward the strict. moms and dads were not shall we say conflicted about corporal punishment. i love that you both immediately recognize it. >> this is what we're known it, thinly sliced ribeye marbled. >> oh, it's beautiful. roast guey, thin-sliced rib eye, and bulgogi, thinly sliced fat-marbled beef, barbecued tableside. >> for its it's funny that barbecue has become the gateway to our food. >> hey, it could be worse. at least it's delicious. >> it's delicious and we're like, okay, this is the portal, and we're cool with that. >> and this kimchi bulgogi will come back. basically kimchi fried rice, so many great rice dishes with that
outer layer of crispy stuff is just the best. >> a tableside cooking, i think people overlook that a lot. you know, this is like crepes suzette, filleting a dover sole. >> ridiculously delicious. will you be doing this in 20 years? >> if we did change, tonight i would get a complaint. >> and you'd have to talk to your dad. >> oh, yeah. >> that's the problem. >> what do you do if you're a locavore in l.a.? you look around. what's local and delicious? artisanal and authentic and iconically l.a. as it gets? if you're roy choi, you see tacos. and with kogi truck, roy choi brought one of the first great mutation mash-ups of korean and mexican to the people. what started as one truck became four trucks, and three
brick-and-mortar restaurants to go with them. >> for me, kogi was only one truck in my mind, but then the lines got big, you know, and evolved. hola. [ speaking foreign language ] >> roy trained at the culinary institute of america and interned at la bernardin in new york city. he runs his trucks like someone you'd expect from someone with that background. >> within our food media landscape we've romanticized certain compositions of what a great chef and great kitchen are supposed to look and smell and feel like, but just because those are beautiful doesn't mean that this is not beautiful. for me, i don't see mustard plants and sheep grazing. i see barbed wire and telephone poles. i see puddles, and, you know, you all of that stuff contribute to the flavor of the food. so it's truly what i call a terroir, you know, a regional you food. right here. and they're off.
>> every lunch shift and every evening, the trucks' locations are sent out over twitter. the locations change every day. and people flock quickly to find them, as the lines can get long, very long. i took a run with roy as he made his nightly rounds. so how often do you make the full circuit between all of your various enterprises? >> twice a day, every day, unless i'm doing something crazy like this. it's kind of like i have a huge las vegas hotel, but the hallways are the streets. >> first stop, chego!, a rice bowl place in the palms neighborhood. >> these are my guys right here. hola. que paso? >> kimchi, spam, classic. >> this is the menu, right here. >> a big bowl of rice with meat, vegetables and lots of flavor for less than 10 bucks.
good deal. i just want to know why you're so sentimental about the business of feeding people. >> it's a trippy state of romanticism. like, i'm very hard-ass, too. like you pack your own [ expletive ], you get what you get. if you complain, i take the food out of your hands and give you your money back. but within those rules, there's a lot of love. there's a lot of care. >> across town in venice is a-frame, roy's first brick and mortar. >> this used to be a ihop, so everything is really narrow. >> hence the shape. it's heavily influenced by local takes on hawaiian cooking, not that you would necessarily notice. every dish designed to be eaten with the hands. what's good? the baby back ribs are air-dried, braised, then breaded and fried. ling cod tacos treated like
shawarma, then meat dried like duck. then fried. meanwhile, not too far away on sawtell, a kogi truck pulls up, stops, reverses back to the corner. before the awning is even up, there's already a line. hungry people have been waiting in cars around the corner ever since the twitter announcement 30 minutes ago. i feel guilty. i'm jumping the line, right? wow. what's the longest line you ever had? >> 600. >> 600 people for one truck? >> yeah. >> the kogi taco, double caramelized korean barbecued short ribs on fresh corn tortilla with cilantro, relish and napa cabbage slaw in a soy vinaigrette. oh, yeah. >> the rep for kogi is we go everywhere, we go to every single corner of the county and the city.
we're not just going to the hip areas. >> what about fantastically good? what about bel air? can you pull up on a corner in a residential area in bel air? what happens there? do you get rousted? >> no, no, they come out in a versace robe. >> that i've got to see. >> yeah, beverly hills. beverly hills at lunch is crazy. it's crazy. >> why should you be excited about food trucks? because they allow creative chefs like roy without a lot of money to start creating and selling their stuff, introducing themselves to the world without having to gather up a million dollars or credulous partners and they're affordable. they're democratic. and they're faster, better and infinitely preferable to fast food like the king and the clown and the colonel. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and university partnerships,
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doctors, lawyers, or engineers, goes the story. there are expectations. but what if you're a bad korean? what if you're a korean-american who just didn't give a [ muted ]? what the you looked around, asked yourself who am i, what am i supposed to be, what where do i fit in with society and were unsatisfied with the answers you were getting? what if you were an insanely talented artist in a small startup company called facebook asks you to do some murals in your offices and paid you in stock and you became ridiculously wealthy and you still didn't give a [ muted ] well then you might be david choe. >> hi, i'm david choe. ♪ be like me. >> is that an ak pinata? >> that's an ak-47 pinata.
>> wow. >> yeah, so, i mean, this place is in downtown l.a., so i try to have as many weapons hidden throughout. i've got ninja swordd ninja stars and stuff. >> you need a puppy, man. you need a puppy. >> i do need a puppy. i'm going to paint you today. is that cool? >> yeah, sure. >> all right. so, just sit right there, and -- sorry. i don't usually paint this early in the morning. okay. i'm going to go more expressionistic, if you don't mind. >> i want to know, you were on record, you said young people are looking to follow your road to success. your advice is, whatever you do, don't date a korean girl. >> okay, i try to be open-minded about things, right? but you know, i'm racist. for me, i've given it a shot and then i end up in this situation
where i feel like i'm dating my mom. >> so, what characteristics in common were you -- >> overbearing. >> overbearing? >> jealous, unreasonable, like unrealistic about life, demanding. like, it's -- i mean, i could go on and on. but also the men, too. like, if i were a woman, i would never recommend dating a korean guy. for the very few women out there that are into asian guys, if you are going to go that route, definitely go chinese. yeah. come check it out. >> oh, yeah. whoa! awesome. wow. >> i don't know. what do you think? >> dude! i'm honored. i've never had my portrait done before. thank you. >> hey, man, you're welcome. >> and this [ expletive ] going to be worth some money on ebay, for sure.
>> now i'm definitely ready for sizzler. nice. >> standing tall and prominent amongst the many asian and central american restaurants in the community, one place holds an unexpectedly cherished position in the collective memories of many second-generation korean-americans. i am personally unfamiliar with the sizzler brand. oh, i know it by name, but never have i managed to actually cross its doors. >> after you. >> thank you. wow. >> how are you doing today? >> i'm doing good. thank you. how about yourself? >> i'm doing fantastic. i have my sizzler outfit on. so, here's the thing, you can get like a steak and add the salad bar with it, get the best bang for your buck, or you can just get the salad bar. >> i have to have some steak. >> i'm going to go traditional and just get just the salad bar. >> thank you. >> sit wherever you like. >> perfect. thanks. >> enjoy your meal.
♪ >> excellent. >> oh, yeah. >> food for your elders. >> now you're getting korean on me. >> super embarrassed right now because we're in koreatown and i'm taking you to eat at sizzler, which for a lot of koreans, this is the best food in koreatown. >> if you eat nonkorean, this is it? >> we never ate out ever, if we did, it was mcdonald's. if it was a birthday or special celebration and wanted to kick it up a notch and go a little bit more special, then it was sizzler. >> this is a judgment-free zone, where there are no mistakes, a world to explore incongruous combinations without shame or guilt, free of criticism from snarkologists, because there are no snarkologists at sizzler. >> obviously, here's all the accoutrements for making a nacho salad and here's all the stuff for pasta, spaghetti, whatever.
the move is you get the hard taco shells and put meatballs in it. this is italian/mexican dining, and you make a meatball taco. and there's nowhere else in the world that you can have this. you put three meatballs in the taco, some guacamole, and then you put all this nacho cheese, all this other stuff -- >> i know what i'm doing, i'm going for the full south-of-the-border experience here. >> all right. there you go. >> i'm not kidding around here. oh, yeah, now we're talking, my friend. >> it's little bit nicer than i remember. there it is. that's the best bread that you can get. you tell me if you like that. >> now, wait a minute. are you saying that the cheese toast is complimentary? >> it's complimentary. and once we found that out, we would order stacks of it, so it was our favorite part of sizzler. so we thought we needed to figure out how to manufacture this at home. >> so were you good sizzler customers, your family? do you think they were happy to see you come?
i love this dish, man. when i go back, i might have to have a meaall taco. >> so we did goose the system a little bit, but not like completely abused it. there would be the guilt associated with we never eat out, but now we're going out to eat, so you'd better [ muted ] eat. you have to put down at least three plates. what do you think of the bread? >> it's delicious. >> yeah. >> i totally get why this would be a wonderland. >> everything is really good. >> for you, sizzler is a happy place still? >> lots of memories. it's satisfying. we need more of this cheese bread. living with chronic migraine
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something dave choe and roy choi have in common is that they may be korean american, but they are also very much creatures of l.a. and what is l.a.? l.a. is mexican, central american, filipino, vietnamese, thai, samoan, bangladeshi. everybody has left their mark, continues to shape the town, determine its character. k-town exists upside its latino neighbors and i guess it's natural that both choe and choi identity very much with mexican street culture.
few things embody that particularly southern california latino street culture more than low riding. ♪ esteban is a photographer, chronicler of everything iconic at the crossroads of hip-hop, design, tattooing, fashion and low-riding. >> the old-timers, they used to cut the coils or put sandbags in their truck to make them lower. then around the '70s is when they got popular. >> why these particular models of cars? >> it's pretty much always been late '50s all the way through the '60s and the '70s. then the '80s came, they started bringing in the cadillacs and the regals. the most classic well-known car for low riding is probably the '64 impala.
>> how many korean low riders are there? >> there's a few asian ones sprinkled in. >> more asians? more koreans than 15 years ago? we're seeing a crossover with the food. >> right. for the most part, things are starting to get a lot more open. if you're asking i think there will be a lot more hispanic and asian mixed babies coming up in the future. >> i ain't mad at that. >> ideal low-riding is about getting appreciated by the people who best appreciate the traditions and techniques, the getting it right. for that, you head to east l.a. >> the most famous notorious street in l.a. is witier boulevard, because of the history of it. and then crenshaw boulevard in south central. >> so, that's going to be your most critical audience, and at the same time, the most appreciative. >> yeah, the ones you want to see your car, you know? >> it's a slow-moving piece of art.
you treat the car a piece of art, acutely aware of the dangers -- cops, for whom you are a target, potholes, other cars. in east l.a. you see people ooh and ah, you see people change the expression from what is that, to nice ride. >> hopefully gang members gives us props, giving us respect, you know? first you build a car for yourself, but at the same time, you're building it for the streets, you're building it for the people. you want them to appreciate it. ♪ >> within the borders of koreatown, it's not just koreans. there are new arrivals every day. there is, in fact, an official little bangladesh right in the middle of k-town. >> so good in here. >> yeah, this is going to work.
so, you're not short of options around here. >> no, you can get tacos across the street. korean next door and goat stew. you can pray to muhammad or buddha. >> the tiny mosque next door where services are held five times a day. i was talking to a guy in the parking lot who said this is the first little bangladesh in america. >> yeah, and it just happened like two years ago. it was like we went to sleep and woke up and it was little bangladesh. >> here at salada, step right in for some curried goat, samosas, tandoori chicken, and fish curry with no small amount of chilies. >> just such aromatic, delicious food. what good food are you likely to find within the confines of koreatown? >> el salvadorian, guatemalans, koreans all throughout.
pakistani, bangladesh food. oaxaca takes over all of eighth street. >> why oaxaca, is that just the way it worked out? >> yeah, you know how it goes. one guy showed up. filipino fast food just behind us, and a bunch of riffraff in between. >> filipinos are proud of their food. underrepresented. >> i think they're going through what we went through, where the glass hasn't been broken yet, to translate it, but keep the core and soul of it, but it tastes delicious. >> a few blocks over, the iconic filipino fast food chain jollibee. laugh all you want but ask any filipino, they love the drive-through for this speciality spam thing, but it's the desserts where it gets really crazy. decisions, decisions. >> here we go. we'll take one aloha burger, and one spam little big bite. let's do a halo-halo. that's it. >> oh, look at that. what is that?
>> that's halo-halo. >> oh, yeah. halo-halo. dig deep and you hit delicious stratas of red beans, white beans and chickpeas, cubes of red and green jell-o, coconut, shaved ice, and is that flan? it makes no goddamned sense at all. i love it. >> a part of every filipino's life, halo-halo. >> i have to take a picture of that. it's oddly beautiful. all right, you know i'm getting a bite of that little -- what is that? >> it's a little big bite. >> little big bite. >> favorite little thing in the world. >> no, don't say that. it's actually -- i like that. >> it's good, right? >> aloha. it just sounds magical. is there like pineapple in there? >> yes. >> hence the aloha. that's a very tasty burger. nice char. >> it's fast food, but it's made like just a single family-owned restaurant. >> what family made this?
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[ speaking foreign language ] that's true, dad. we all look the same. [ laughter ] >> i love it. >> he may be a korean gone bad, but dave choe still tries best he can to be a good son. he bought them this house in los feliz and visits for family meals often. in fact, when we first met, sensing it had been a long time without a true home-cooked meal, he invited me to dinner with them. so, guests are not unusual. jane choe is an amazing cook. >> it's going to be very delicious. >> mom, dad, look who's here. >> hello. how are you? >> can you smell something? >> oh, yeah. good stuff. >> yeah, all the good stuff coming. maybe somebody going to hire me later. [ laughter ] >> okay. which ones are you?
are you the oldest? >> i'm the middle. i'm the suicidal pirate. >> oh, already signs of trouble here. >> my older brother is the hip-hop santa. he was the oldest. he beat me up. i beat him up. and then he would just cry. i'll show you my dad's painting. hey, dad. >> yeah. >> hey, come over here for a second. when you paint this dad? 30 years ago? >> 1973. >> every christmas he unrolls it and just scotch-tapes it to the wall. my mom's the artist in the family now. >> so this is a family of artists? the choes are devout christians, not unusual in the korean community, but they are unusual in that they're both artists of a sort. jane treats the house like an ongoing art project, drawing sunglasses on family pictures, stapling angels to dave's paintings that have hung in the white house, getting crazy with the glue gun, adorning wreathes with happy meal toys, sticker-bombing the kitchen with
birds, cows, spaceships piloted by her three boys. she is relentlessly, energetically and inarguably creative. >> she brainwashed me from the time we were kids. she was like you're the best artist in the world, you're the best artist in the world. >> you are! >> oh, thanks. but now she's telling me she's going to be the best artist in the world, so, she's very competitive. she says she's going to destroy me. >> awesome. [ laughter ] >> food is ready. >> so, do you want to explain what everything is, mom? >> the food i prepared tonight is very common korean food. this is beef rib stew. >> that kimchi's looking fresh. >> yes, kimchi's fresh. >> today is chestnut rice. >> no one has this kind of rice. >> special rice. >> special rice for tony. >> and then stuffed peppers. >> oh, that's david's favorite.
>> cheong po mook, seaweed and jelly mung beans, noodles with shiitake mushrooms, avocado egg rolls, fried squid and shrimp, potato pancake. often at the choe house, there's a few mexican dishes sprinkled in as well. it is always a great meal. i can tell you that. >> thanks, mom. this is delicious. >> this is awesome. >> thank you. >> i love it. >> during the riots of '92, jim and jane choe worked as real estate agents and property managers, so the destruction in koreatown had a direct impact on their lives. the choes watched from home as the chaos unfolded on tv. after the riots, jim wrote a letter to the editor that was published in the "l.a. times." >> i'm extremely angry with the lapd for their outrageous action. while the cops to let the looters run wild and rape our
city, they somehow had time to bother korean shop owners guarding their stores. how can an owner of a business just sit back and watch his life be burned to the ground? >> david would have a very different reaction. >> my brother stole a car, and we went into, like, all of the neighborhoods, and then quickly realized it wasn't, like, about race, it was just about people stealing stuff, but we were out looting, we were causing chaos, and you know, i don't think we got anything good. i think i got a tv stand. >> was it life-changing for you? >> it's like you grow up and things are explained. here's the police, they're not doing anything they're supposed to do, just normal men and women of society acting like animals, and i was like, oh, everything i've been taught and learned my whole life is just disintegrating before my eyes. but in the end, we're, you know, from great disasters come great things, right?
koreatown burned down. it's like we own l.a. now. it's half the l.a. >> now korean culture, grow up in size, all the over the world influence, you know? >> filmmakers, all the top korean filmmakers. >> oh, yeah. >> what about me? >> yeah. >> artists, right? >> except you. >> sorry, david. [ laughter ] >> today i went into all the different ways you guys used to beat us when we were kids, the stress positions, you know? all the korean punishments. >> what's remarkable to me, every kid, i mean, all korean kids. >> yeah, all korean kids. >> the same position. you either hold a book -- >> oh, yeah, that's the way we learned, from generation to generation. we don't know why. >> to take a peek into the dark heart of the korean psyche, maybe it helps to get familiar with han. it's a concept that for
non-koreans can be difficult to fully grasp. >> all right. you want it? here we go. han denotes a collective feeling of oppression and isolation in the face of overwhelming odds. it connotes aspects of lament and injustice. in some occasions, anthropologists have recognized han as a medical condition. someone who dies of han is said to have died of hapyon -- [ speaking foreign language ] >> it's heartburn. >> while it's been described in a way that sounded benign, this is a burning sense of injustice, besiegement and desire for revenge. >> the han is the reason why, like, we are who we are, but it's also the same reason why i won't marry a korean woman. >> you never know. >> no, i know, mom. >> he's cute.
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you getting these? you know, my mom likes to withhold information, so i finally got it out of her. >> myung in dumplings, where they serve a mix between korean and chinese. each plate handmade to order, my friends. opened in 2007 on olympic boulevard, it's run by yu jin, a korean by way of shenyang province in china. >> been coming here for about two years now. there's no one ever in here. every time i've ever come in. i don't understand how they're open. they're the best dumplings i ever had. maybe just people get them to go? >> right. >> they all look like butt holes, actually. >> kind of, yeah, pre-prolapse. >> wan man dut, king dumplings, thick dough, stuffed to the gills with pork, kimchi, vegetables, precisely made, weighed and crimped. steamed until soft. eat.
wow. that's nearly the size of your head. >> yeah, you know, it's like pizza. i'll eat them cold, too. >> right. >> save two and then have them for dinner. >> and mandu, smaller with thinner dumpling skins, served with red chili paste. >> wait for the dessert one. >> wow. boy, these are delicious. these are just, like, so huge. >> go for it. >> mm-mmm. so, would this be classically post-drinking food or pre-drinking food? laid out a base of absorptive material? >> there's a lot of bread here. i don't really drink, just falling under peer pressure right now. be one of the cool guys. >> i like this place already. good signage. it's important. >> yeah, the sign's awesome.
>> if that sign does not sing to you, then we cannot be friends. >> hi. >> how are you? >> this is my uncle tony. >> how are you doing? >> this is terry kim, aka guam cruise. here's more koreans right here. >> some friends of choe's seem to favor this place. they are a thirsty and diverse bunch. >> i'm asking everybody, stress position as a child? did you have to do the -- >> oh, he knows it. >> he went right into it. >> stress positions? >> you did that? >> see, the speed with which they assume the position. >> you had to hold a bucket over your head of water. >> water, oh. what if your arms get tired? >> they make you do it again. >> the whole thing is doing it again. >> look, i'm not korean, i'm not asian. i'm a white boy from the suburb. but i noticed something over time in my k-town adventure. similar anecdotes, you might say. >> they've done this quite a bit. so they came up with a new one. >> i was very aware that all my korean friends, no matter how creative or successful seemed
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pretty much any korean you meet anywhere, you can take it for granted they like food, that they are passionate about food, particularly their food, which of all the immigrant cuisines has probably been messed with the least. unlike many other new arrivals, koreans seem to have been the most unwilling to accommodate western tastes. maybe that's why it took us so much time to love this stuff. beverly tofu house, like so much of k-town's finer establishments, is tucked away in the corner of a strip mall. >> this is one of my favorite spots, where i've been coming for almost 20 years. this is a soup that's just like it's kind of korean but really more l.a. >> so, this is not a direct transplant from korea?
>> it became what we're about to have here in l.a. >> interesting. >> they're different because of the ingredients we couldn't find but never thinking about pleasing the american palate, just to make ourselves happy. >> sundabu is the thing to get, a fiery, tongue-searing, ass-burning tofu soup that will make you forget every bad thing you ever thought about tofu. a spicy, spicy red broth of tofu as the base. soft tofu with a texture like borrata and from there a handful of variations but the most common is with kimchi with everything, beef, oysters, mussels and clams. oh, and tableside, they crack an egg in there. wow. right in there. cool. that looks completely awesome. well, we better wait for this to cool, i'm guessing. so, how do we eat this, spoon it over rice? >> yeah, spoon it over rice. just mix it in.
>> mm-mmm, that's good. >> yeah. >> all tofu should be spicy, by my way of thinking. so good. >> yeah. really. >> koreans can well remember when nobody was interested in their food. now it's confusingly au courant. must be strange for the owners who have just been doing what they've been doing for years. >> like, for example, like for us sitting here like this, the questions a lot of people are asking me in korean, like, i'm telling them we're filming, you know, we're trying to show a piece of koreatown. the number one question is -- they're not mad or vindictive. the question is why? it's still why? like why -- >> why would we be interested? >> why would you waste your time? there are so many other things to do. >> it's an extraordinarily delicious and beautiful thing. >> that's the thing. the beauty is already a given, already a part of fabric, so it's like why congratulate you, you know? there's no reason to congratulate you because this is like what we do. >> that sounds awful, honestly. that is totally joyless. >> yeah.
>> what did your parents want you to be when you grew up? >> for me, a doctor, a lawyer. >> right. obviously, you're not a doctor or lawyer. did you finish college? >> i finished college and went to one year of law school and walked out. >> so you're a bad korean. >> i was a bad korean. if i was a mediocre accountant, it would be better than being a top chef. >> according to who? >> according to korean culture, according to korean uncles and aunts. it doesn't register that that is a profession. you know, i wouldn't have to explain myself if i just said i was a cpa. >> right. >> never. you know that. >> you've still got some "splainin" to do. >> just get it across that i cook, and that there was this phenomenon that happened on the streets of l.a. that changed and opened up korean culture to the world. >> what does it mean to be korean-american? does one create one's own world? i don't know that i'm any smarter about that now than when i first came to k-town in the