tv CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield CNN January 9, 2016 10:00am-11:01am PST
welcome back. i'm fredericka whitfield. happening right now in the "newsroom." the most wanted drug lord back behind bars in the same prison he escaped from. silent protests turns ugly at a donald trump rally. >> one guy was saying, get out. do you have a bomb? do you have a bomb? i said, no, do you have a bomb? new details about the man authorities say confessed to ambushing and shooting a philadelphia police officer in the name of isis. the fbi now telling cnn he made two trips to saudi arabia. "newsroom" starts right now. thanks for joining me. i'm fredericka whitfield. we begin with the capture of
drug king pen el chapo. a senior law enforcement official tells us the extradition of joaquin guzman to the united states is, quote, very likely but will not happen right away. nick valencia just arrived at the federal prison and joins me now live on the phone. so, nick, tell us more about this likelihood of extradition. >> reporter: just got off phone with a senior law enforcement telling us the extradition to the united states -- [ inaudible ] >> so sorry. we have to try that again. that's a terrible signal. nick valencia is there. when we can reconnect with him, we can find out what kind of reinforcements have been put in place so that el chapo doesn't make another escape or attempted escape there in the very prison he escaped from six months ago.
let's dig deeper in other ways to el chapo's capture. what will be next for the notorious drug king pen, joining me is sylvia longmire, also a mexico drug war analyst. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> so how significant, in your view, is this capture and the significance of putting him in the very place that he escaped six months ago? >> this is a real make or break moment for the presidential administration. very glad to hear the extradition is likely. it's significant really more from a significant as far as symbolic victory, i guess you could say. the sinaloa federation will continue operations as normal but the fact they're making this decision to extradite him to the united states, to stay in jail,
i think that's a good move. >> we're going to try one more time to bring into this conversation our nick valencia who is there outside the federal prison where guzman is. nick, we're going to try this again. hopefully we can hear you better. what kind of reinforcements have been made at that prison? >> reporter: we spoke earlier to a law enforcement source here in mexico who tells me guzman is back in prison in mexico, even though he was able to exescape from that prison six months ago. they tell me the conditions he's being held with, he's heavily guarded although they would not elaborate whereabouts in that prison he was held. when he was here last year in 2014, he was in a cellblock, the most ruthful convicted killers and murderers in mexico, a cellblock of eight people. i went in there, cellblock 20, where he was able to escape. the official i spoke to did not
say where he was in the prison just that he's heavily guarded. to the point of extradition, this is the biggest question, not just in mexico but the united states, much has been made of extradition and high profile cartel operatives. now we're told by a senior mexican law enforcement official that the extradition of el chapo is, quote, very likely but, quote, will not happen any time soon. there's no timetable as far as when he will be extradited to the united states. they only say they have not received any formal paperwork from the united states nor has mexico made any formal steps to make extradition happen. again, senior mexican law enforcement source telling me the extradition is, quote, very likely. >> let me bring in sylvia and your response to that. why would the u.s. want to pursue an extradition? how important would it be for the u.s. to try to prosecute him
here? >> for one, they can get good information. one reason they refused to extradite him when he was caught back in february of 2014, they were upset we had not shared any intelligence information with them before on individuals extradited to the united states. hopefully that will change. it's significant because we can keep him in prison, send him to a super max facility where we're holding many other king pen and drug trafficking vips in florence, colorado, but i think the intelligence value is probably the most significant benefit we would get. >> at the same sometime, nick, if i could bring you back into this equation, for mexico, wouldn't it want the privilege, honor, you know, kind of even rekindle its reputation to prosecute him? now we can see outside the prison there in mexico. wouldn't they want to be able to have the bragging rights to say
that they were able to fully prosecute after recapturing him? >> reporter: most certainly. that's the line we've heard from the president here in mexico in past interviews, this was a sense of pride. the second time el chapo was captured in 2014, spending six, seven months in prison. he talked about how big a moment it was, how monday you moejts of a moment it was for mexican law enforcement only to suffer an embarrassment when el chapo escaped from this prison. you're looking behind me. again, mexican officials going a step further. it appears there is stronger collaboration between the mexican government and u.s. government. that case of la barbie, the mexican-american that rose to the highest ranks of cartels only to be extradited back to the yas. we've seen it in past cases in the drug war throughout mexico but now this is a significant
development because this is el chapo. this is the most wanted drug trafficker, was the most wanted in the world, now in custody. certainly the most wanted man in mexico. i mentioned, fred, this was a sense of pride for them to have him, but this senior law enforcement source here in mexico telling me that the extradition will likely happen but not too soon. perhaps to save face here for the mexican government. they don't want to capture him only to let him go just days after. so, no timetable given but we should expect that extradition to happen some time soon. >> nick, are you outside the prison where el chapo is being held right now. i wonder if you could describe that prison. i've seen people walking, cars as well. if you could describe the scene, what you're witnessing there. >> reporter: certainly. on the way here it's an hour and a half outside mexico city. we went through toll roads and
eventually just as we got to the outskirts of to area where it is, we ran into check points. it's not too different of the a scene we saw after his escape. it's heavily patrolled by federal police and mexican military. off to my side, it's a mile away where that rural countryside home that el chapo emerged from from the tunnel that escaped through from that prison. this is an area, fred. i spent some time here and have spoken to local residents. this is an area that has a very favorable view, if you will, of el chapo. they believe he's done more for the country than even the president of mexico. that's the kind of thing that you find in these more small town communities, more rural communities. you find favoritism for drug king p king pins. you can see behind me some construction going on. it's important to know back when el chapo escaped last year, it was this construction that mexican officials pointed to
that helped mask his escape. they believe as that tunnel was being es ka vat ining excavated water behind me helped el chapo get out earlier. those subscribe to conspiracy theories, believing he walked out the front door and others believe he wasn't captured. again, the mexican government say he's in this prison, behind me in this super max equivalent here in mexico and he's being heavily guarded and that they don't to want take the chance of him escaping again. >> nick valencia, thank you so much outside that prison where el chapo is being held. of course, you're seeing images, too, of six months ago after his escape. nick valencia had the opportunity to actually go into that tunnel, as you saw him descending down that ladder to give us a firsthand view of exactly how he got out. thank you so much for joining us as well with your expertise.
we're continuing to follow developing news out of germany. thousands of demonstrators filled the streets of cologne. police at one point firing tear gas and use water cannons to break up a rally after beer bottles were thrown at police. protesters are furious after more than 100 sex-related assaults apparently taking place. police say out of the mob of 31 people, 18 of them are refugees. cnn's atika shubert has been in the middle of the sdmon stradems and joining us from cologne where it is nightfall. how is it assessed what took place over the last few days, thinning crowds at this hour from our vantage point to you now. >> reporter: we're in the middle of the scare. this is where a lot of assaults
took place. you can see riot police have just come. they're taking a lot of the gear off. i think that just goes to show, they feel a lot more secure. they have much more control of the streets. all of the protesters have gone home. this is a very good sign, calm returning to the streets of cologne. but still a lot of tough questions ahead, particularly on monday, that is when local parliament will meet to find out what exactly happened here on new year's eve. we now know from cologne police that the number of criminal incidents reported were 379. that's where this square alone in this city. and of those, more than half were believed to be sexual assaults. so, a lot of questions now being asked, what happened here? where were the police? who committed these crimes? we know 31 suspects have been identified. of those at least 18 were asylum seekers. this is why there's so much anger and pressure now at germany's refugee policy. so, we're hoping to get some
more answers from police in the days ahead and can possibly expect more from policy makers in the day as head. >> thank you much. straight ahead in this country, a muslim woman booed by a crowd at a donald trump rally. why she was kicked out of the building and what she told cnn next. aren't moving in the right direction,bers it can be a burden. but what if you could wake up to lower blood sugar? imagine loving your numbers. discover once-daily invokana®. with over 6 million prescriptions and counting, it's the #1 prescribed sglt2 inhibitor that works to lower a1c. invokana® is used along with diet and exercise to significantly lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes.
it's a once-daily pill that works around the clock. here's how: invokana® reduces the amount of sugar allowed back in to the body through the kidneys and sends some sugar out through the process of urination. and while it's not for weight loss, it may help you lose weight. invokana® can cause important side effects, including dehydration, which may cause you to feel dizzy, faint, lightheaded, or weak, especially when you stand up. other side effects may include kidney problems, genital yeast infections, urinary tract infections, changes in urination, high potassium in the blood, increases in cholesterol, or risk of bone fracture. do not take invokana® if you have severe kidney problems or are on dialysis. stop taking and call your doctor right away if you experience symptoms such as rash, swelling, or difficulty breathing or swallowing. tell your doctor about any medical conditions, medications you are taking,
and if you have kidney or liver problems. using invokana® with a sulfonylurea or insulin may increase risk of low blood sugar. imagine life with a lower a1c. are you loving your numbers? there's only one invokana®. ask your doctor about it by name. protesters getting kicked out of donald trump's rallies.
that's nothing new. last night in south carolina, a muslim woman was escorted out for standing up. listen to what happened. >> i know the game. and i know the game very well. and these people will come in -- >> 56-year-old rose hamid was escorted out and booed by the crowd, as you see right there. she spoke with us about her experience. and the people around her in the rally. >> you know, i don't know if he really knows what muslims stand for. and i don't think that -- i don't even think he believes in the rhetoric that he's spewing. i think he's just staying stuff to get attention and to get his
numbers up. my purpose for going there, as was mentioned, is that i wanted -- i have the sincere belief that if people get to know each other one-on-one, that they'll stop being afraid of each other and will be able too get rid of all this hate in the world, literally. so, that was really my goal. was to let people seamus limbs are not that scary. and the people around me were lovely. there was people who were very nice. they were sharing their popcorn. it was really nice people all around me, the people i had conversations with. but then what happened when the crowd got this hateful crowd mentality, as i was being escorted, it was really quite telling of and a vivid example of what happens when you use this hateful rhetoric and how it can incite a crowd. the one guy was saying, get out. do you have a bomb? do you have a bomb? i said, no. do you have a bomb? they were saying ugly, ugly things. one guy was saying, god is
grade. i was saying, yeah, god is great. one said jesus loves you. i said, i know, jesus loves you, too. the thing is people don't even know what they're saying. they just get riled up in the hate-mongering and they don't even know what they're saying. >> joining me with the latest from the campaign trail in iowa is cnn political reporter sara murray. people are ready for donald trump's arrival there in iowa. what is the expectation from voters there? >> reporter: the event you're looking at today is a very different feel from the big rally he had last night. you can see the voters behind me are seated. donald trump told a local radio station he's planning on taking questions today. some democrats that are thinking of supporting republicans who are going to see multiple
candidates come through iowa. they to want see them up close. ask questions. a number of them want to hear more about the immigration plan or the plan for the economy. we're hitting last couple of weeks where voters are buckling down and they want answers to questions before they decide. >> donald trump always has secret service and there's security at any of the events but are you seeing any changes about how they are carrying out security, given the crowds continue to be very big and given there have been protests or people escorted out but there has never been acts of violence. it's just been dissenting views, right? >> i think there's no doubt donald trump has been a very divisive candidate in this race. a number of people who have been offended by his comments, offended about muslims and
syrian refugees. i think that's part of the reason we see so many protests at donald trump's event. it's hard to say if we'll see bigger people here. it's just a fact of life at a donald trump event. it's difficult for them to weed them out. they have security. people go through anything they think could be a weapon taken away. there's nothing to stop someone from standing up with a sign and protest. that's just something that the trump campaign has had to roll with. >> thank you so much. ted cruz is sitting down face-to-face with cnn facing questions about his american citizenship. >> carly fiorina saying the other day that -- she says it's odd that it wasn't until 2014 that you renounced your duel citizenship, your citizenship with canada.
i know you said you didn't know about it until dallas morning news wrote about the story in 2013. did you ever go back after that "dallas morning news" story and try to find out more about your parents' time in canada, whether they did -- i mean, did they vote in canada? >> no, they did not. my mother didn't because she was a u.s. citizen. the internet has all sorts of fevered theories but the fact is simple, my mom was born in delaware. she's an american citizen by birth. she's been an american citizen 81 years of her life. she's never been a citizen of any other place. >> don't miss jake tapper's full interview with ted cruz on tomorrow's "state of the union" at 9:00 a.m. eastern time. coming up, new information in the investigation and search for ties to terror organizations. it takes a lot of work... to run this business. but i really love it. i'm on the move all day long...
and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a great taste. i don't plan on slowing down any time soon. stay strong. stay active with boost®.
and take them anywhere. ready or not, here i come! (whispers) now hide-and-seek time can also be catch-up-on-my-shows time. here i come! can't find you anywhere! don't settle for u-verse. x1 from xfinity will change the way you experience tv. we're learning new information about the gunman ambushing and shooting a philadelphia police officer in the name of isis. the fbi is now investigating two trips edward archer made to the middle east in 2011 and 2012. the philadelphia police commissioner says the surveillance video of the attack is absolutely chilling. he says the officer is expected
to make a full recovery. miguel marquez has more on the stunning images and the investigation. >> all cars stand by. we have an officer shot. >> reporter: horrifying scene in philadelphia. that's 30-year-old edward archer, say police, brandishing a 9-millimeter semi-automatic firing into 33-year-old police officer jesse hartnett. archer moves to the window. the gun inside the car, firing at least 11 shots, hitting the officer three times in the left arm. >> shots fired. i'm bleeding heavily. >> reporter: incredibly, the police officer not only survived, he chased his attacker down, shooting him in the butt, stopping him, while bleeding profusely. speaking to the dispatcher all at the same time. >> we have an officer down. >> the grace of god, first and foremost, but -- because i can't explain is based on my belief any other way. based on those circumstances,
man, i can't imagine that almost anything you could have could protect you. that is chilling. absolutely chilling when you watch that. and if that doesn' make the hairs on your neck just raise when you see that, it's scary. >> reporter: police say the attacker used a handgun stolen from police in 2013 and confessed he was inspired by isis. >> he pledges his allegiance to islamic state. he follows alla'a and that is the reason he was called upon to do this. >> reporter: authorities now digging into the life and past of 30-year-old edward archer. >> according to him he believed that the police defend laws that are contrary to the teachings of the koran. >> reporter: fbi searching through properties related to archer trying to determine just how deeply, if at all, he's tied to international terror groups. >> that was miguel marquez reporting. heen while, the wife of a texas man locked up and charged with supporting isis says he loves america. 24-year-old omar al hard deny an
is accused of providing resources and materials to isis for more than a year. his wife insists that he has done nothing wrong. >> i'm not good because my husband is in jail. my son not good. he just cry. he needs his dad. they take my phone, everything. i don't know why pep do nothing. he love america. >> he and his accused accomplice al jayab are both palestinians born in iraq and came to the united states as refuse geese according to the u.s. justice department. authorities say al jayab traveled overseas to fight along terrorist organizations and lied to u.s. authorities about it. to help fight isis online, the white house is turning to silicon valley. obama administration officials met with top tech executives from facebook, twitter and even apple ceo tim cook to try and
craft ways to combat radicalization online. joining me right now is nicole wong. she worked in the white house and was one of president obama's top experts on technology. good to see you, nicole. >> thank you. >> what's your understanding of what the white house is looking for tech companies. >> when you look at the announcements that came from the white house and the participants, it was a really important start to what's clearly a conversation between the government and tech sector and part of a broader government effort to counter extreme violence. in addition to the meeting in silicon valley yesterday, the white house announced a task force with the department of homeland security and the department of justice to counter violent extremism. separately the state department is establishing a global engagement center to amplify the voices of others around the world who speak out against
violent extremism. all of these, including those in the valley, are part of a peaceful solution in very complex -- >> it is very complex. there has been a lot of criticism over the years from technology experts about the government, you know, being fairly behind as it pertains to technology and helping to educate people who operate government, how to be more advanced in the use of technology. at same time, when you talk about the white house talking to these tech companies, private enterprise, how does the white house go about getting government and private enterprise to partner up or share resources to enhance national security by way of, you know, social media and, you know, the digital imprint? >> yeah, i think you're exactly
right. and having been in the private sector and public sector, that conversation that happened yesterday is critical. we want an open and candid dialogue between government and these tech companies about accurately understanding how the technology works, understanding how the companies are seeing individuals use their platforms, and for the companies to understand something about what the government is trying to do to address these problems broadly. so, i think the starting point is an accurate understanding of the technology itself. having said that, the technology itself isn't a solution to the broader problem. as we were just talking about, there are political components, social components and that's a much more complex area. the technology is a piece of it. but it's certainly not the silver bullet of growth of
extremis extremism. >> it's also fascinating and still very complex. nicole, thank you for being with us. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. thank you. he is not a presidential candidate but bill clinton is now the focus of a negative political ad and there is new tough talk on the campaign trail. hear who is delivering the jabs now. iall across the state belthe economy is growing,day. with creative new business incentives, and the lowest taxes in decades, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in the hudson valley, with world class biotech. and on long island, where great universities are creating next generation technologies. let us help grow your company's tomorrow, today at business.ny.gov
use jublia as instructed by your doctor. are you getting this?! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application site redness, itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. oh, epic moves, big j! fight it! getting ready for your close-up? ask your doctor if jublia is right for you. visit our website for savings on larger size.
welcome back. i'm fredericka whitfield. hillary clinton is getting high profile help on the campaign. lena dunham is stumping for the candidate. creator of hbo's "girls" is an outspoken advocate for women's rights. donald trump is suggesting when it comes to some women's issues, clinton is a hypocrite, he says, which trump focused on in a new
social media ad highlighting sexual scandals with bill clinton and a few associates. >> women's rights are human rights and human rights are women's rights once and for all. let's keep fighting for opportunity and dignity. >> well, bernie sanders, he was also asked to weigh in on the issue. this is what he said. >> bill clinton did, i think we can totally acknowledge was totally, totally disgraceful and unacceptable. but i am running against hillary clinton. i am not running against bill clinton. >> joining me from new york democrat strategist amiki and angela. thank you for joining us. let's talk about this and whether it has a place on the campaign trail. fair game? >> i don't think that trump's tactics are fair. just because something is a good
or even in some instances a smart political tactic, it does not make it appropriate. i think what he's done and certainly with this last ad is certainly beyond the bounds and inappropriate given the current scandal facing bill cosby and, of course, the recent charges. i think it is horribly unfortunate they would go that far. i'm sure bill cosby, there are probably pictures surfaces and floating around with bill cosby and donald trump as well. it's a little beyond the pale here. >> anyone has to just know that the clinton campaign expected this, right? hillary clinton would have to brace herself for what was likely to be either answering for or to her husband's indiscretions. but at this juncture in the game, is there sufficient criticism that donald trump is taking it too far? >> absolutely. donald trump is trying to make himself out to be the next
feminist leader. i don't know what base he's speaking to when he says some women on the campaign trail have faces like dogs or he's talked about their menstruation cycles or he said when hillary clinton went to the bathroom it was disgusting. i mean, the rhetoric that comes out of his mouth is not appealing to anyone. if this is his way of being the next betty frieden or gloria steinam. hillary clinton from her commencement speech at wellsley child to children's defense fund to paid family lead, gender gap, the things women care about. those are the women he has to woo if he's the nominee if he wants to win them. >> do you see potentially this backfire for donald trump, while he might be thinking this is great strategy and in your face, against the other front-runner on the democratic side, that potentially it could hurt him?
>> i'm reluctant to say at this point, fredericka, that anything will backfire against donald trump because at every turn where things fought, things will backfire against him, they will not. what i tell you against a woman, i hope they do because in part all the things other guests mentioned because dtonald trump has called them into question. he ended a marriage. he had a marriage where during a deposition, his wife said at the time that something that could have happened that was like spousal rape. he also recently talked about he would date his daughter if he wasn't married and she weren't his daughter. other things are in question. i'm sure opposition researchers are working hard to find blemishes on his record that would come close to what bill clinton did. i think the other thing we should talk about that's very important and i actually commend bernie sanders, not only on we
don't want to talk about your e-mails but he said, i'm running against hillary clinton. i need to run against hillary clinton and her record for and against clinton. this isn't about bill clinton or whether or not she chose to stay with her husband. that's her business. so, unless donald trump wants to talk about her business, he should stay out of hers. >> well, you know, that's the real story here is that trump's record with women and his history with women is fair game. bill clinton might say it's fair game but hillary clinton is running for office and she has a tremendous record for women. there are no blemishes on her record when she's advocated over the past 40 years. >> i wonder if there's another big message here or, you know, this helps provoke another conversation which is it's hillary clinton or any woman in the race like this, if she's held to a different standard trying to explain or having to answer to her spouse's activities or is this because the clintons are high profile,
do we see or will we see the same kind of scrutiny for any of the male candidates and the discretions or behaviors of their spouses, angela? >> well, we know that hillary clinton has always been held to another standard. i think what she's done very well is always been able to demonstrate what the standard will be for her. when she was asked early on if her opinion that women who are assault victims should be believed and she responded, and when they pushed back with the names of the women who accused bill clinton, she said she stuck by her answer. she's well in control of this message. i think if she continues to say, listen, i still believe that women's rights are human rights, i'm still going to support women being equally paid like men and i'm still going to support victims of abuse and believing them and not blaming them, i think that that's all she needs to do. i do think, as the other guest
mentioned, donald trump's is fair game. >> we have to leave it right there. good to see both of you ladies. appreciate it. the documentary series "making a murderer" is a huge hit on netflix right now. thousands are supporting the main character, saying he's innocent. next, why some aren't so sure. this is iphone 6s. not much has changed. except it's ridiculously powerful... which makes everything faster. maps... shopping stuff... business-y stuff... this kind of stuff. uhhh, this kind of stuff. and student films... don't look like student films. jon favreau: is this a student film? get these kids on the phone. dude, that is a phone. so, other than being the most powerful iphone ever... not much has changed. hey siri, good night. and... power down. ♪
film makers, the netflix documentary "making a murderer" say they're not sure if the man at the center of their hit series is innocent or guilty. some viewers aren't sure either. the story starts with avery being exonerated after 18 years in prison for rape after dna evidence was examined but he quickly found himself in trouble with the law again. this time it was for the murder of 25-year-old photographer theresa halback.
he maintains his innocent, even claiming police set him up, twice. but the sheriff's office isn't buying it. cnn money correspondent laurie seigal dives into this complex case. >> everybody's listening. what do you want to say today? >> i'm not. >> reporter: "making a murderer" tells the story of steven avery. the netflix documentary makes the case that in 2005 police in wisconsin may have planted evidence to ensure a guilty verdict. the filmmakers say they were just documenting the case. >> we did not have a horse in this race. it was of no consequence to us whether steven avery was going to be found guilty or not guilty. >> so far-fetched -- >> reporter: but the county's current sheriff tells us the series doesn't paint the full picture. >> i don't believe this is a documentary because it leaves out a lot of information. >> reporter: he points to some key pieces of evidence not mentioned. for example, details about the victim's car.
>> that vehicle had dna on it from steven avery. and the dna, a major piece that was found by the county sheriff was located you should the hood, on the hood latch. it wasn't blood dna. it wasn't blood. it was perspiration. the leg irons and shackles or handcuffs that were found at the residence, i think that's a key piece. >> reporter: evidence, the filmmakers say, was not crucial. >> there was no direct evidence of steven avery's guilt in the indication, so this is circumstantial evidence. in our opinion, it was less significant evidence than the evidence we actually presented. >> reporter: what about all those smoking guns? >> you're aware now that the first time that toyota was reported found was two days later on november 5. >> reporter: a key scene implies one of the officers may have seen the victim's car days before it was discovered on avery's property. implying a setup. >> he did not have the vehicle
in front of him. he had a plate number that was given to him by the county sheriff's office. and at that point, he took the information and ran it in to make sure that it came back missing. that's a common practice. >> even though he said the name of the car, certainly appears as though he had more knowledge of it. >> from the information he received from the county, that's the only knowledge he had. >> reporter: then there was the victim's key found at avery's trailer, but only after it was searched multiple times. >> he moved a bookcase and kind of handled it roughly and that's when, i believe, the key fell out. can, you know, things get overlooked? yes, they can. in this case they did. it's not because it was plant there. >> reporter: as far as the outrage around the country, the sheriff stands by the investigation. >> quite frankly, i feel we did nothing wrong. we had a lot of people involved and my deputies played some important roles and found some
key evidence. and i'm not ashamed of that. >> reporter: do you believe steven avery is innocent? >> i believe justice was served and i believe he is guilty. >> reporter: laurie seigal, cnn money, new york. >> let's talk more about this mystery, really. i'm joined by cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson and cnn analyst and criminal defense attorney danny. good to see both of you. more than 500,000 people have signed petitions for the release of steven avery and his nephew, brendan dassi. what's the likelihood that one or both of these men would actually go free, danny? >> let's say slim and super slim as to all of them. i mean, the chances are virtually zero. if we're talking about a petition for a pardon, to the extent anyone's petitioned the president of the united states, he has no power to pardon a state convict. that's zero. when it comes to petitioning
wisconsin governor scott walker to issue a pardon, he has pardoned exactly 0.0 convicts since he's been in office. so, it's highly unlikely that we're going to see him pardon this particular defendant. and he's come out, i believe, and he said he would not. i tell people, pardons are very, very difficult to get. they're a very hard process. you're not entitled to anything in the pardon process. >> so, joey, i wonder, what's revealing to you in this case as it pertains to this kind of crime solving by way of a netflix project? >> you know, fredericka, good afternoon to you. good afternoon to you, danny. the problem -- the major problem here is, i think, one of lack of trust. when i say that, you have an instance where you have someone who's clearly exonerated and found to be actually innocent with respect to the first murder involving penny bernstein. he spends 18 years in jail. he's demonstrated compellingly that you have a sheriff and a
prosecutor who willfully ignored evidence in addition to colluding to convict him. on the backdrop of that when there's this civil case going on and $36 million and people are being deposed and swearing testimony and essentially his attorneys are devastating the police department, the prosecutors, everyone, showing that what they did was deplorable to him, all of a sudden, all of a sudden he gets implicated in another murder. and i think it just generally leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth in terms of mistrust. fredericka, listen, i'm not one who's generally into conspiracy theorys and who shot jfk, et cetera. but speaking from a real perspective, just examine for one moment two issues. the first issue is if you look at south carolina and the whole michael slager and then walter scott's running away, he shoots him in the back. what do you see? you see the planting or attempted planting before our
own eyes. it looks like the officer dropped something there. so it just sends a message like, could this have really happened? then exhibit b, which now going on in chicago involving laquan mcdonald where there was a shooting with officer van dyke. the officer's indications of exactly what happened are totally different from what we see on video and now there's evidence coming out that they coerced witnesses to say the same thing. it goes to the whole narrative can we really trust the investigatory authorities who bring forward the evidence, and that's really the issue that the documentary captures, and makes us think is he really guilty of this crime. >> danny, do you see pluses and minuses to this keim of crime solving. >> mr. jackson's exhibits a and b are cases that have nothing to do with this particular case. the reality is, the defense's position in this case was that they essentially conceded everything they had in the fact that yes, there was a key, yes, some other evidence, but then they asked the jury to believe
additional things, which yes, these things were found where they were found, but also believe that the police put them there. that the police came up with this elaborate roos where this would sneak on the property and plant this evidence. so it's quite a gambit. even mr. jackson will acknowledge that. this kind of defense is this i didn't do it by way of all that evidence exists, but somebody else did it, jury. we you want to believe these additional facts that many people conspired to bring this about. it's sort of a lauftty affirmative defense. it's ambitious, and it may not work in every case. >> well, that's why so many people enamored by this project on netflix. guys, we got to go. >> i wanted to respond to learned colleague. but i'll see him in the building, and i will, you know, converse with him at that point. >> you all can talk about that exhibit a and b later offset. thanks so much, gentlemen. good to see you. appreciate it. >> thank you.
have a great day. >> you too. all right, watch cnn tomorrow morning at 11:00 a.m., brian sell zer talks to the women who made the women on reliable sources. tomorrow morning, 11:00. it just keeps going up. power ball, hint of that video. it hits a new height. we are live, next. we're just hours away from the drawing. try alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmm...amazing. i have heartburn. alka-seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.
for her. for them. and him. a choice to take brilinta. a prescription for people who've been hospitalized for a heart attack. i take brilinta with a baby aspirin ...no more than 100 mg. as it affects how well it works. it's such an important thing to do to help protect against another heart attack. brilinta worked better than plavix. and even reduced the chances of dying from another one. don't stop taking brilinta without talking to doctor. since stopping it too soon increases your risk of clots in your stent, heart attack, stroke, and even death. brilinta may cause bruising or bleeding more easily or serious, sometimes fatal bleeding. don't take brilinta if you have bleeding, like stomach ulcers. a history of bleeding in the brain, or severe liver problems. tell your doctor about bleeding, new or unexpected shortness of breath, any planned surgery and all medicines you take. i will take brilinta today. tomorrow. and every day for as long as my doctor tells me. don't miss a day of brilinta.
oh, to dream. the largest jackpot in u.s. history is now $900 million. insane. we're counting down to the big power ball tonight. allison cos sick running the numbers and snatching up tickets at every commercial break she can. allison, what would a single winner walk away with? >> reporter: okay, so if you decide to not take the a newty, which would be the 30 years of payments, you would wind up with a lum sum of $558, but that is before taxes. see, this kind of income is like
taxable income like you who earn on your job. so that means you're new york city residents, $348 million, that's after taxes. so not too shabby. reason you got people in here streaming, buying tickets, several hours before that drawing tonight, saturday night. interestingly enough, power ball fever getting real hot in here. you know how hot? he bought $1,000 lotto tickets. doing the math, that's $2,000. >> oh, my gosh. so how many tickets have you purchased? >> okay, so far i've only bought two, but i don't have enough cash on me. all it takes is one ticket. >> that's all it takes. i think the best recommendation, you got to sign the back of it, just in case you misplace it and somewhere down the line, you come across that winning ticket. >> very good point. >> okay, all right. avoid problems. maybe after work today, i have to find the best place, what i feel is the lucky place, to get
my ticket. >> you do. >> yeah, and then i'll be calling you for advice on what do i do with all these winnings if my numbers come in. >> call me any time. >> i'll call you on the hotline. thank you so much. good to see you. the next hour cnn newsroom begins right after this. ♪ those who define sophistication stand out. those who dare to redefine it stand apart. the all-new lexus rx and rx hybrid. never has luxury been this expressive. this is the pursuit of perfection. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and university partnerships,
all right, hello again. thanks so much for joining me. i'm fredricka whitfield. very likely el chapo will be extradited to the u.s. that's according to a senior mexican law enforcement source, who also tells cnn the extradition will not likely happen right away. joaquin gusz man back behind bars, same prison in mexico city he broke out of last july. he was transported there under very heavy security, after his dramatic capture on friday. nick valencia at the federal prison where el chapo is back in custody. they're not saying where in the prison he's being