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kindest three days in u.s. human history. boyfriends on best behavior, girlfriends. >> a star is born. next powerball drawing is wednesday. maybe then. that's going to do it for me. i'm fredricka whitfield. much more straight ahead with poppy harlow in "newsroom." 5:00 eastern. poppy harlow. shocking twist in the dramatic capture of drug king pen el chapo. secret meeting between the cartel leader and actor sean penn may have led to his capture. details from inside the meeting and how the famous mexican actress you're looking at now, how she helped set all of this up. first, politics this hour in the race for the white house. donald trump rallying a large crowd in nevada right now. he's spent the entire weekend on the campaign trail. another new poll shows he's
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trailing senator ted cruz in the crucial early voting state of iowa. cruz leading trump 28-24%, according to the latest numbers today from the nbc/"wall street journal"/marist poll. that the same poll buts trump in a better position, well ahead of the competition with 30%. closest competitor, senator marco rubio stands at 14%. maeve reston joins us from trump's rally in reno. he went hard after cruz. and hard after this point of his questioning whether or not cruz is eligible to be president since he was born in canada. he won't let that one up. >> reporter: well, let it go, poppy. it's interesting here, talking to folks in the crowd. a lot of voters who say that ted cruz would be their second choice. so it's very clear why donald trump is doing this. just a few minutes ago, he talked about citizenship issue
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for ted cruz, his mother born in the u.s. but is a u.s. citizen but trump is repeatedly returning to, we have that sound where he talks about this being unclear issue in the course. let's take a listen to that. >> here's the problem, it's called uncertainty. it's called -- you just don't know. now, already congress spin and another congress spin, by the time, it's going to happen, nobody's more -- does anybody know more about litigation than trump? okay? i know a lot. i'm like a ph.d. in glitigation. what's going to happen is the other side will bring a suit. now, is he a natural born citizen? some people -- i don't know. honestly, we don't know. who the hell knows. >> reporter: so, obviously he's really bringing this issue up again and again in the rallies
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here, going straight at this as being electability issue for ted cruz, trying to raise questions about his background, get voters to worry about whether or not cruz is the strongest candidate to go up against hillary clinton. ted cruz, so far, not taking the bait. he's avoided trying to go back to donald trump on this issue. but has said this is a settled matter, there's swap theories out there but this is not something that should be a big issue in the race. >> we heard him to say to jack tapper on "state of the union" hear from a constitutional lawyer on that later in the program. let's listen in to donald trump for a moment. >> one of the most beautiful tackles made this year, right? it's boring. but although i love tom bade brady, i've got to tell you, he's a great guy, but it's a different -- you know it's different -- but it's become soft and our country's become soft. our country has become soft.
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do you know one of the reasons -- this is true -- reported by these people -- one of the reasons we haven't bombed the oil over there, you know, environmental impact. they didn't want to disturb the environment. no, no, this is true. can you believe it? okay. environmental impact. you know one of the reasons they never built the wall? along southern boarder to stop drugs and people and everything from coming? environmental impact study, they couldn't get it approved, it's true. this is a while ago. couldn't get an environmental impact study approved to build a wall to save lives, to be good for our economy, to stop drug traffic. they couldn't get it because -- >> we'll keep monitoring donald trump live. i want to talk more about this with adviser to four former presidents david gergen. nice to see you, david. >> good to see you, poppy.
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>> we heard donald trump say he's doing ted cruz -- this is a quote -- a favor by raising the issue of citizenship. >> sure. >> i'm not sure ted cruz views it that way. he said i don't woont ant it to mired in the courts. here's what cruz said this morning. >> i think most americans they couldn't care less about a bunch of politicians bickering like schoolchildren. >> they care if you're constitutionally eligible, right? you get asked about that. >> but the substance of the issue is clear and straightforward. as a legal matter the constitution and federal law are clear the child of a u.s. citizen born abroad is a natural born citizen. dynamic that's happening, it's interesting, three weeks ago, almost every republican candidate was attacking donald trump. today, almost every republican candidate is attacking me. and that kind of suggests maybe something's changed in the race. >> david, how does ted cruz put this to bed once and for all?
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>> i'm not sure he can in the time frame that he's got. and i don't know -- you know, from my point of view, cruz is right. every -- every child born to an american couple overseas has been, in my experience, considered an american citizen. but by raising what i think is a red herring, it is, i think, having some impact on the race. they've looked about two, three weeks ago, cruz might pull away in iowa. he had like nine or ten-point lead in some of 0 the polls. that lead in the last two polls have been 4%. he's still ahead in terms of popular vote but maybe this birther issue is having some impact already. hard to sort out. we done have enough information to say for sure. >> you know, it's interesting, "new york times" did a fascinating piece on the division that this race is causing or already caused in the gop. it talked about the fact that neither cruz nor trump has
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backing of a single senator or a single governor. does it matter, david, or does it actually benefit them because the american electorate is sick and tired of politics as usual? >> well, i don't think it's having much impact on the outcome of the race. what it does suggest is that a president cruz or president trump, if that were to happen, might have much harder time governing. they don't have the natural allies even in their own party that you would like to have when you go in as president. so, i think -- i don't think it's a good sign. i think it means rougher waters ahead but maybe not in the elections. you're right, about because of the anti-establishment feeling you're giving another senator to support you doesn't make any difference usually. it may make a difference in iowa, contained race or place like new hampshire. but when you do super tuesday, it's not going to make much
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difference. >> building on this, right, in this article, in the "times" the former nixon and reagan at adviser, pat buchanan, who ran himself, the chickens have come home to roost putting the party back together again will be very hard after this nomination. i think the party's going to shift against trade and interventionism and become nationalist and tribal and more about protecting the border. is he right? >> pat buchanan's a good analyst. i think that there is that danger that the republican party will become more of a native party. but if it does so, there's a threat that it could become a minority party. you know, the dream, reagan's dream to build a republican party into a majority party. >> right. >> if you get caught up in side issues, it's really hard, and with giving the changing demographics of the country, hard to put together a majority
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and they need to be thinking of that. if they take a thumping in november if that were to take place, they get -- you can't rally the country as a whole, the better thing to do is go back to the drawing board and see if you can't refocus your party. that's what happened when bill clinton got elected. democrats lost two in a row, nominating someone who is quite liberal, when clinton came in he moved the party to the cent trer and made it more of a majority party for the presidency. >> you had chris christie come out last week and warn, amonger 0s the fractures in the party, in the gop, could help a democrat win the white house. do you believe that that some of the votes could shift away from a -- yes. >> you do? >> i do. i think some people could stay home. i think that's a serious danger. especially after you run anti-establish ment race, one of the dangers you don't have
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apparat tus to call on to get votes out and people are tem tepid in their support. the same thing hillary's facingen is that going to show up in the number of people that get out and vote? we don't know but that's a concern in her campaign. >> david gergen, stay with me. we'll be back with more from david in a minute. the white house promising unconventional speech for the president when you hear is final state of the union tuesday night. >> i don't think i have ever been more optimistic about a year ahead than i am right now. >> what the president is planning. is he proving he's not a lame duck? an american woman mysterious found dead in her apartment. what her boyfriend just told cnn. the secret meeting between the infamous drug kingpin el chapo and sean penn. the famous mexican actress played in the deal. stay with us, you're watching cnn.
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looking at live pictures in the campaign trail right now. hillary clinton at acrally in manchester, new hampshire, followed by her daughter chelsea there tuesday. reno, nevada, on the right, donald trump swarmed there by people after he finished his remarks. we'll keep an eye on both. tuesday night, president obama will deliver his final state of
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the union address. promising this address will not be a traditional one. no laundry list of policy proposals no recapping of accomplishments, instead a last shot of why he wants this country to change more and to be, something he hinted at in this preview. >> not just the progress we've made, not just what i want to get done in the year ahead, but what we all need to do together in the years to come. the big things that will guarantee a stronger, better, more prosperous america for our kids. >> back with me, former adviser to four presidents, david gergen. how do you read this? we've got. a lot of hints what we're going to hear in the state of the union address, no laundry list. is this a president trying to fend off those that call him a lame duck or a president admitting that he is a lame duck and can't lay out a lot of
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policy proposals, i have to focus on a few key things? >> i think this president wants very much to go out in a dramatic fashion. he's already said he doesn't want to leave anything on the field. he wants to play this out. he's talked about this being the fourth quarter of his presidency. his reputation in basketball, he pulls it out in basketball in the last seconds, he likes to make that final shot. i think he has that kind of spirit about him. i do think he's going to give us a laundry list of accomplishments. he wants to build his leg and i if hillary's the nominee, wanted to make sure he gets his approval rating up enough it helps her win the white house. he's going to tell us. he's got people up in balcony, family, say obamacare, he's going to tell us a lot about his accomplishments. there is a historical president, back in 1944, basically in his last state of the union address, franklin roosevelt laid out an agenda for the future, sort of idealistic aspirational kind of
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agenda. it wasn't legislative agenda. but rather big things we need to do. and that became a template, a model, for a lot of democrats that followed him. they went back to what fdr had said. obama likes to play that kind of role. i wouldn't be surprised if he does turn this into a hard speech to give, it's a hard speech to make exciting. hard speech to rally the country. only other thing i'd say, i hope this speech does not ignore the international scene because there things are becoming unravelled so rapidly, so many different countries and people around the country are hugely anxious. they don't understand what's happening around the world. they want somebody or somebodies to explain it to them so it doesn't seem like such a dangerous place. >> how does he effectively do that, david? if you're the one advising him as you have so many former presidents, how does he do that when people see him as being
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reactive to isis, approval ratings are abysmal when it comes to dealing with isis. when it comes a week after diplomatic relations between saudi arabia and iran completely broke down and north korea says they set off a hydrogen bomb. >> so many things happening, north korea a big bomb they exploded, saudis and iranians are getting into it, fisticuffs, maybe be dangerous, more destabilizing in the middle east. the stock market has hat the worst beginnig in history, based in large part on the turmoil in china. you've got all of these things happening. and i think the president has to put on his commander in chief hat during the speech for a significant portion of the speech and say what he is trying to do to solve it. his isis speech did not work. people came out thinking he's a holding action. he doesn't have a strategy for victory. he has a strategy to finish out his presidency. and i think what people are looking for, and it's going to
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affect the presidential race is, what do you think the united states really ought to do about this? where is the leadership come? how do we keep the transatlantic partnership with europe? europe might fracture over the migration issue. he has got to be the lead player not only the united states but the world to tell us how to deal with the huge challenges that are opening up. >> let me ask you, before i let you go, what the -- reaction to what the white house did this morning. came out, announced that the guests seated in the first lady's box for the state of the union include vacant seat for the victims of gun violence, also you have a syrian refugee, staff sergeant spencer stone, french train attack hero and ceo of microsoft, satya nadella. it fascinates me. >> i thought it was smart to have the empty seat. the president clearly, the town hall with anderson went well.
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he cares about this so deeply. i think he needs to bring this issue up and keep pushing it. and the array of other things, i think, does give us a clue what's in the speech. you see each one of the different things he's going to talk about the future, technology, microsoft, health care issues, talk about veterans. you can see the makings of his sort of vision of what the united states ought to be doing in the years ahead. >> and interesting to find out what this president will do in years ahead once he's out of office. >> i know, he's -- yeah. it's interesting, isn't it, how his energy has come back as president? striking to watch this. >> david gergen, thank you so much as always. >> thanks so much, poppy. >> you can see all of cnn's special coverage from the best political team on television tuesday night. coverage of the state of the union address, president obama's final one, begins 7:00 p.m. eastern right here. still to come --
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the mexican government not happy with two actors. you recognize at least one of them, sean penn. certainly have some explaining to do about how they found one of the world's most elusive drug lords when nobody else was able to. it's hard to find time to keep up on my shows.
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recapture of the notorious drug lord el chapo guzman has everything that perhaps you would see in a movie, bad guy, shoot-out, perp walk back to prison but none is fictional, it all real. and also, stunning news that actor sean penn was able to interview el chapo before any authors in the united states or in mexico were able to find him. want to talk about all of this with brian stelter, cnn media skoer correspondent, legal analyst, danny cevallos. before i get to the two of them, let's get this report from nick valencia in mexico city. >> reporter: poppy, the article by sean penn, for "rolling stone," comes a day a half after the capture of el chapo. in that two-minute clip, posted on "rolling stone" website, we hear from el chapo in his own words about his life and his role in drug trafficking.
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>> reporter: for the first time we hear from the drug kingpin himself. joaquin el chapo guzman agrees to interview with actor and activist sean penn, cinematic plot twist to an already surreal story. in a report for "rolling stone" penn writes the pair met face-to-face october 2015, 3 months after el chapo's brazen prison escape. according to penn the meeting happened in the middle of a mexican jungle and included tequila and tacos. his irrational fear of being watched by armed drones and surprised by el chapo's quote chivalry.
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these clips are part of replies sent who asked the questions offcamera. the meeting was brokered by mexican actress, kate del castillo, it was 2012 when del castillo reportedly developed a friendship with el chapo, after posting a series of tweets, critical of the mexican government. while celebrating the notorious drug trafficker. del castillo has not commented since publication of the "rolling stone" article saturday. cnn has reached out to her. their communication continued over the course of the next three years, even after the 2014 arrest of el chapo that landed him here at the penitentiary. they stayed in touch via blackberry messages and letters. it was that relationship between del castillo and el chapo that eventually led to the meeting between sean penn and notorious
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drug lord. a month of back door dealings that included encrypted messages, disposable phones and clandestine communications with el chapo associates. el chapo talks about drug trafficking, violence, and his role in it all. >> reporter: a senior mexican law enforcement official tells cnn they want to question both del castillo and penn, specifically, about the location
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where the meeting took place. we're getting contradictory information from the mexican government as to whether or not they knew about this meeting between penn and el chapo. senior law enforcement official in mexico tells me that the next cab government did not know about the meeting until it was published on "rolling stone." however, another source tells cnn that the mexican government did know about the meeting and helped lead to the capture of el chapo saturday. it does, however, beg the question why it took them an additional three months to pinpoint el chapo. >> thank you very much. senior media correspondent, brian settler here and cnn analyst danny cevallos. the timing of this article and your first thought when you saw sean penn got to el chapo before anyone in law enforcement could. >> shocking, for sure. i thought sean penn was doing a service here, getting el chapo on the record for the first time
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in decades. he talks about dealing drugs, about how and why he does it, his excuses for doing it, valuable information. but the way it was obtained was very, very strange. not the least of which because sean penn is an actoring activist, not necessarily a journalist and gave el chapo prior approval of the article. >> this doesn't happen in journalism. >> no, this is something journalism schools teach you not to do. he got it read it and approve it. "rolling stone" says the drug lord never wanted changes in the article. but the mere existence of prior review is very, very unusual. >> danny, did sean penn break any laws in mexico or in the united states by seeking out, speaking with, a drug kingpin one of most wanted men in the world and not going to authorities and saying, by the way, here he is, that we know of yet? >> first, start with the united states. i say this with the caveat that federal law is so expansive, so
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broad in its power, both within the u.s. jurisdiction and abroad there may be a creative prosecutor that may come up with federal law that was violated. however, as a general rule, citizens don't have a responsibility to go out and report the where about thes of criminals to assist police officers affirmatively. there is no affirmative duty to go out and do that. i man there's even less of a duty when abroad to help local law enforcement. mexico may allege that he is in some way assisted a fugitive. but at the same time, they would have to show he somehow assisted that hufugitive in staying a fugitive where all indications are at this point, the act of seeking out el chapo may have contributed to his capture. >> brian, right, and. >> that's consider it gets really interesting. >> at the same time, when you look at "rolling stone," the magazine editorially is
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responsible for what's on its pages. how do you fact check a drug kingpin? >> there are claims in the article that don't make a lot of sense. i think this was a different editorial process than "rolling stone" was used to. seemed like sean penn worked directly with the publisher of the magazine. sean penn has written for the magazine before. heeps int he's interviewed fidel castro and other people before. it's reminiscent of john miller, peter arnett, other journalists able to interview bin laden in the late 1990s. they extracted important information from bin laden. a dangerous, risky assignment back then. the difference here is that sean penn is an actor, no formal training as a journalist. this article was going to be published before el chapo was captured. >> either way. >> this was in the printing press, about to go to the printing press, when captured. that means shah sean penn wasn't -- there was no indication he was giving information about the where
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about thes to authorities. >> what timing, though. danny what about protection in mexico? obviously the laws are quite different in mexico and the united states. you've got mexico sort of shamed by the fact he escaped once from their president. he kind of, i don't know, could we see sean penn face any charges in mexico? >> isn't it interesting that we've been talking about extradition from mexico back to the united states, and now people may be talking about can mexico force sean penn to appear in mexico for an investigation? he's not charged with anything yet. but can you force this citizen, u.s. citizen out of the u.s. to at least answer answer some questions or whatever the mexican government wants to do for their investigation. and it is a far bigger thing to demand that u.s. citizen leave the country just to answer some questions. if, on the other hand, he's charged with a crime, we are going to see a fascinating
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reversal here because this is a bilateral treaty. that means that both sides should honor the other's request within the rules and parameter of the treaty. >> will a celebrity be treated differently at all than an average citizen. >> of course, sean penn wants a conversation to be what he says is failed drug war. he wants el chapo in some ways to be humanized, personal identified by the story. it's a despicable story from the perspective what el chapo says about why he deals drugs for a living. >> danny? >> depending on your perspective, poppy, when you talk about sean penn being a celebrity, you could make the argument in his home country el chapo is a far bigger celebrity than sean penn ever was, respectfully to both sides. >> brian, thank you. dan i. in, thank you. next, italy, an american woman's mysterious death in florence triggering a murder investigation. police found ashley olson with bruises and scratches on her neck in her apartment.
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liberty mutual insurance. into breaking news out of italy. u.s. state department confirmed death of an american woman if florence. looking at images of her there, m mysterious circumstances. a 35-year-old artist from florida found dead in her florence apartment. police discovered her with bruises and scratches around her neck. no suspects emerged yet. police did speak wet her boyfriend who became concerned when he didn't hear from her for days. olson spotted around florence walking he dog, beagle named scout. cnn contributor is in rome. you spoke with her boyfriend who ultimately found her when he went with the landlord to knock on her apartment door after not hearing from her for days. what did he say to you? >> reporter: he said he couldn't make any comment whatsoever because of the investigation.
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but we know they had a fight some three days before her bodied with found. and he had tried to call her. she didn't answer. eventually her phone just didn't work at all. and that's when he became concerned something had gone wrong. he went to the landlady, she opened the apartment, found her body without any clothes on in her apartment. she lived areason. tiny studio apartment. but really the life so many people dream of, go to florence, live this life she moved two years ago after her marriage broke up in the united states so join her father, instructor in florence. she was getting her life back together. she had lots of friends well-liked, well-known, revek niz ibl. no one has anything so far by any means to say about her. >> they're doing an autopsy. do we know when that might be done? >> reporter: the autopsy is scheduled for tomorrow, which means we may get some
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information tomorrow afternoon. we should hear something by tuesday. may take longer for toxicology reports. >> what about reports we're hearing about her instagram account and some posts made in the days before her death? >> reporter: that's right. a couple of weeks ago she, according to instagram which is public, she started posting pictures someone had taken of her and she had -- use the #iha #ihaveastalker. we don't know if someone sent to her. people interviewed in the neighborhood said she did talk about her fear someone was taking pictures of her, that i'm sure is part of the investigation. police took her computer, looking for anything they have on that personal computer that could lead them in the direction of her killer. >> so sad. just 35 years old. barbie, thank you, live in rome. still ahead, president obama lays out his plan to tackle gun
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michael feinman was gunned down by a stranger while out to dinner with his wife. he was an army medic, a father of three, he was remembered for his boundless energy and his verve for living. at his funeral a friend described him as quote a tornado of a man so an mate quote if you had to tie his hands down the guy would never be able to talk. his killer captured after a two of month manhunt and that's when feinman's wife spoke publicly about her loss. >> i hope justice will be served so my husband michael will be able to rest in peace.
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michael -- >> that was in 2007. michael's father vowed to honor his son's death fighting for tougher gun control. found somewhere ceo of national gun victim's action council, elliott feinman joins me now. thank you for being with me. >> thank you for having me. >> no doubting you've been watching this conversation very closely, the town hall here on cnn with the president about guns this week. tell me about your son and your fight in the aftermath of his death. >> well, my son's killer, it would turn out to be, had been in a mental institution two times and, despite having been in an institution two times, was legally able to buy the gun that killed my son. when i was able to function
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after hearing about my son's murder, i decided that i would dedicate the rest of my life to working on the gun issue and to bring my skill set -- i had my own practice, i was a strategic marketing adviser to fortune 500 companies -- to bring that skill set into the fight for gun laws. >> you wrote a cnn.com op-ed after the frezpresident. town hall. you said the president needs executive action that cannot be obstructed by congress. it only possible under a declared national state of emergency for the gun violence epidemic. examples of executive actions necessary would be blocked by congress, absent and declared national state of emergency include universal real background checks, suspending the gun industry's immunity from lawsuits, monitoring ammunition sales and banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns. you say the president needs to call those a national state of
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emergency and you also say if you had a chance to ask him that question that's what you would say, why not call this a state of emergency? do you think that's realistic? do you think that could happen? >> first of all, it's not only realistic, it's almost required under the national emergency's act. when there's a threat to the public safety in health the president is obliged to call the national state of emergency if it can't be contained by normal means. we have a death rate of 82 people losing their lives every day to guns, a cost over $625 million a day. if that's not a national emergency, i don't know what is. and he should call it because the executive orders that he can issue under a national state of emergency are the ones that need to be issued. the ones that he issued absent calling one are meaningless.
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>> he did issue more money funding for mental health issues and care for example. as you said, your son was murdered by someone who had been to a mental institution twice. does that give you any hope t see that included? >> the mental health is something we should always invest in. it's an important social goal and one that we should cherish and work for. but it's just a red herring that the nra and the pro gunners throw up every time there's a gun massacre. the fact is mental health is not the reason we have people doing gun massacres who have mental problems. in all of the other developed countries such as ours, england, france, italy, germany, japan, canada, sweden, they have the same percentage of people with mental health issues as we have. but they don't have people with mental health issues committing
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gun massacres. why? because they have sane gun laws and they keep the guns out of hands of people with mental health issues. >> let me ask you this, ultimately for there to be sweeping change like what was proposed after the sandy hook massacre in newtown, congress needs to do it, frankly. it can't be the president, can't be executive order. and we have not seen an appetite for that among our leaders in legislature to get something through. do you have any hope that congress will? and is this a single voting issue for you and those that you know? will they vote on guns? as the president said in his op-ed in the new york sometimes, he said i will not vote for certain lawmakers if they haven't done x, y and z on guns. >> it's a fantasy to think that congress will do anything about the gun violence issue because the math doesn't work. there are 17 pro-gun states,
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utah, south dakota, wyoming, alabama, where the senators represent what the people want and they will never vote for any sane gun law. that 17 states means 34 senators are gone. so to pass anything you need 60 senators, and that would require getting 60 out of the remaining 66 to support it. it's not going to happen. the only way we're going to get sane gun laws for the president to declare a national state of emergency, and we have a petition on our website, www.gunvictimsaction.org. and you can go there and sign that petition. we've got to let him know that there's 500,000 of us that want him to do what he needs to do and what he's supposed to do. >> elliott feinman, thank you for joining me. i'm so sorry for the loss of your son. thank you, elliott. >> thank you, poppy.
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two nights from now, president obama will give his final state of the union speech. one of his great challenges, a world in turmoil and millions of americans living in fear of terror. what can the american people, the world, need to hear from this president in his final state of the union address? come on in pop pop.
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just days after north korea claims that it tested a powerful hydrogen bomb the u.s. blew a b-52 bomber over south korea, a clear warning sent from the united states. north korea, one of the foreign policy headaches, frankly, facing president obama as he prepares to give his final state of the union address. let's talk about what's ahead. thank you for being with me. you are a scholar on the middle east. you've been so many years studying it, advising leaders on
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it. you wrote an op-ed article this week. we know that his state of the union address will be in part about reassuring americans that they're safe at home. what do you think he can do in his final year to actually make that happen? >> i mean presidential rhetoric is a funny thing. we have this notion that somehow rds can inspire, words can motivate. but words are no substitute for results or actions. in the first year of any administration, words are difficult to use to persuade. in the eighth year where a president's image on foreign policy is clearly locked in the public's mind as unsuccessful, i think it's going to be extremely difficult for the president to make a case that he can somehow reassure the country on a couple of issues, one in particular, the fear of another terror attack. >> right. >> it's going to be a tough case to make.
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the other issue is this administration has a tendency, fair or unfair to allow their rhetoric to outstrip their capacity to act and get results. this is going to be a tough sell. >> what do you mean about that? are you talking about drawing a, quote/unquote, red line on syria and then not acting on it? >> that and the repeated rhetoric about assad. assad must go. the irony is that he will probably be around a lot longer than barack obama. middle east peace agreerjts training syrian opposition, $500 million commitment. all of these things, it's tough hand the president was dealt. you've got to be fair. but the reality is words won't do it anymore, particularly in the eighth year of a presidency. >> so should he say less on that front? i mean when it comes to isis, for example, you've got 64% of
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americans as of mid-december who were disappointed, disapprove of his isis strategy. should he say less on that and do more? >> i mean the problem is, yeah, he should say yes and not overpromise even while he tries to reassure. i mean clearly he doesn't want to create the image that americans should live in fear. after all, 14 years after 9/11, there still hasn't been a successful attack on the united states directed -- >> right. >> -- by a foreign terrorist organization. the problem is he faces either lost causes or long shots abroad. and wherever you go, i mean three out of the four or four out of the four tests that the north koreans have undertaken, have occurred on the president's watch. >> right. >> they could make the argument, of course, this the iranian nuclear agreement prevented the obama administration from having to deal with two nuclear crises
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rather than one. but the reality is the president is going to in some respects going to be driven by veenlts. he's really no longer in control of them. this is a dangerer. let me ask sk yyou this quickly though. when you look at iran, i want to read you what the speaker of iran said, coming out and warning on any anti-iranian measures. given the breakdown of the saudi diplomatic relations whatsoever, how boifg a challenge is that for this president in his final year? >> i think it's a big deal because it almost ensures the fight against the islamic state is going to be more complicated. the iranis will continue to back them including groups we don't like and sectarian issues are
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going increase in yemen, iraq, and clearly in syria. so the image ma there's a world on fire out there, the president's going have a very difficult time controlling it, and that, i expect, is going to be his a greatest foreign policy in the year ahead that it's going to be tough, really, to find comprehensive or definitive solutions to any of these problems. >> thank you so much. nice to have yu on. >> nice to see you. straight ahead, the actor and the kingpin. details surrounding the infamous el cha powe and actor sean penn. i will speak with a cartel attorney, the man drug lords turn to for defense. what is next for el cha powe, and what about sean penn? a homr can make anyone slow down and pull up a seat to the table. that's why she takes the time to season her turkey to perfection, and make stuffing from scratch. so that you can spend time on what really matters.
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