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and people avert their eyes when they see something painful. he stepped up and did something. >> well done. >> people will say, what am i going to do? you can always do something. you don't have to do what this man did, but it shows you a beautiful example of how far some of us are willing to go. time now for "newsroom" with carol costello. >> monday is the worst day of the week, but i'll rise to the challenge. have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom." ♪ let's dance ♪ put on your shoes and dance the blues ♪ >> remembering rock and roll superstar david bowie. ♪ ground control to major tom >> musical chameleon, fashion icon. >> he changed his persona so often. >> this morning, fans spanning from the british prime minister
to kanye west, say good-bye to their favorite space alien. stranger than hollywood fiction, sean penn interviews notorious mexican drug lord el chapo before his capture. could the oscar winner be in legal trouble? plus, iowa up for grabs. cruz tops trump. >> i would love to win iowa. we'll see what happens. >> sanders closes in on clinton. >> polls go up and down. i stay pretty focused. >> what is clear? who will win in 20 days? let's talk live in the cnn "newsroom." good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. if you're between the ages of 20 and 70, chances are, david bowie provided at least some of the sound track to your youth. it was a talent that pushed the boundaries of music, fashion and even gender. ♪ change, changes
>> turn and face the changes ♪ >> millions are waking up to the news that david bowie died after an 18-month battle with cancer. i can't believe this. bowie's album coming out two days before his death. the story line shows him in a hospital bed. we go to london and we also have brian steltzer in lstudio. phil, take it away. >> this is south london, where david bowie's journey began, where he was born as david jones. i'll show you the scene here. it's emotional. what we've seen through the day, people continuously coming here, laying flowers, tributes, candles. people standing before this
mural of bowie, depicted as he was in the early '70s. standing there openly. weeping. it is very emotional here. the one thing that people have been telling us through the day is the shock they felt this morning as they woke up and heard the news. these are bowie fans, people who followed him for decades. people who just love his music desperately. they know he's kept a low profile the last few years, hasn't performed publicly since 2006, suspected he may not have been well. with the release of his most recent album, however, no one thought he was so unwell that he was at risk of death. enormous sense of shock here. what has followed that is a great sense of grief. that is what we are seeing. here on the streets this morning. >> phil, if you could have the camera pan off you and to the tributes, i think people would like to see it. bowie's death has affected so many around the world. >> we'll show you what we can,
once again, carol. it's difficult because there are so many people here coming and going continuously. a lot of cameras, as well. great deal of music. what we're seeing is this. it started early this morning, soon after the news broke. that pile of flowers, the tributes, the candles, it has been growing continuously through the day. as i said, people have been openly sharing their grief here. this is what they have come here to do. the mural here, as i said, depicts bowie and his glam rock heyday, as he was in the cover of the 1973 album. but his career went on to be so much more after that. that's why we're still talking about him. it's why all these people are coming here today, to honor the man, his five-decade career. his artistic instincts, if you'd like, that saw him explore music, constantly changing, but also explore other mediums, as well. he's a man who touched so many
people. this is one of the sites around the world honoring david bowie today. >> phil black, thank you. now we turn to brian steltzer. i love david bowie. it's strange how much this is affecting me. i cried when i heard. >> he's one of a small number of artists who i think would eil illicit this emotion from people. he was producing a play down the street. "lazarus" just came out recently. >> i tried to get tickets but it was sold out. >> his long-time producing partner said he thinks the album was a parting gift to people. if there was one word to describe david bowie, one word of so many, it would be mesmerizing. ♪ turn and face the change, change ♪ ♪ you have all your rock and rollers. >> reporter: legendary british singer david bowie, who indelibly influenced generations with his collective persona and
ground breaking sound. dead at age 69 after an 18-month battle with cancer. bowie's publicist confirming the icon died peacefully, surrounded by his family after a courageous 18-month battle with cancer. while many of you will share in the loss, we ask you respect the family's privacy during their time of grief. his son tweeting, very sorry and sad to say it's true. i'll be offline for a while. love to all. ♪ is there life on mars >> reporter: a career spanning over 40 years. bowie was born in south london as david jones. ♪ ground control to major tom >> reporter: bursting on to the scene in 1969 with the smash hit "space oddity." ♪ check ignition and may god's love be with you ♪ >> reporter: later as his space alien alter ego, ziggy stardust. ♪ ziggy played guitar, jamming
good ♪ >> reporter: bowie's flamboyant three y thee y theatrics and fashion icons. his music, a rally cry for misfits everywhere. in 1996, bowie was inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame and awarded a grammy lifetime achievement award ten years later. his long-time wife, supermodel iman, a steady fixture by his side. bowie continued working, dipping in and out of the public eye. releasing his latest album "black star" days ago on his 69th birthday, much to critical acclaim. the album topping charts in the uk and the u.s. ♪ something happened on the die you died ♪ rye highlighting his ability to continue pushing the envelope
even after four decades in the industry. >> a transsartist who we all ha favorite song. >> "space oddity" because it's haunting. >> 1969. for my, "heros" in the '80s. he embraced the music video revolution in the '80s. it was the peak of his fame. through it all, he kept producing new music. >> awesome. brian steltzer, thank you. >> thanks. one of the most feared drug dealers in the world wakes up in a mexican prison, but inches closer to his day in a u.s. courtroom. this is the home in western mexico where authorities captured joaquin el chapo guzman in a deadly shootout. extradition proceedings are now underway to transfer custody of el chapo from the very prison he tunnelled out of six months ago. it's not just the daring escape that speaks of hollywood, actor sean penn is taking heat for secretly meeting the fugitive
for a "rolling stone" article that came out over the weekend. mexican authorities want to talk to penn and the mexican actress who arrange td interview. while the legal and ethical issues are debated, some of penn's hollywood colleagues are defecting the actor's motives. >> it's nothing new. actors going and seeking out meetings like this. i won't throw other actors under the bus, by i know a lot of very, very serious actors and film makers who have been having meetings like this forever. and writers, for that matter, who take meetings like this. it's part of, you know, what we do to do our job really well. >> nick valencia is in southern mexico where el chapo is being held. good morning. >> good morning, carol. senior law enforcement official here in mexico tells me we could expect el chapo in a u.s. courtroom as early as this
summer. of course, all of that depends on legal proceedings. el chapo's attorney says he does not want his client extradited to the united states. he believes the judicial system in mexico is sufficient to handle the case. meanwhile, the talk on the ground, of course, is this rare and exclusive interview that el chapo gave three months after his escape last year to, of all people, sean penn. in this interview, we hear in his own words from el chapo about his life and his role in drug trafficking. >> reporter: in a two-minute clip, joaquin el chapo guzman, gives an exclusive interview to mexican actress kate del castillo, academy award winner sean penn. >> translator: well, it's a reality that drugs destroy. unfortunately, as i said, where i grew up, there's no other way. there still isn't.
a way to survive. no way to work. >> reporter: el chapo speaking while on the run. physic follow up questions to a face-to-face meeting he had with penn in october. >> translator: all i do is defend myself. nothing more. i do not start looking for trouble. >> reporter: this photo of the two taken three months after the drug kingpin escaped out of a maximum security prison in central mexico. mexican officials want to question the hollywood a-lister along with this famous mexican actress, kate del castillo. she's credited with linking penn with the fugitive. penn writing, i take no pride in keeping secrets that may be perceived as protecting criminals. guzman's desire to talk to the actors about a biopick of his life could have been the slipup that led to his capture. castillo forging a friendship with el chapo after a tweet in 2012.
it's not known whether authorities knew about the meeting before the article was posted to "rolling stone." a source says they were aware and it aided in helping to capture the drug lord. el chapo is in mexico's most secure prison. that didn't matter much to el chapo. he escaped last year and, of course, him being back in the same prison he escaped raised a lot of eye bro brows and concer could happen again. >> nick valencia live from mexico this morning. let's bring in our cnn legal analyst. if you're the guy prosecuting el chapo and you hear about sean penn, going to a secret location and interviewing him, what goes through your mind? >> obviously, if i'm the mexican prosecutor, i say put a tail on sean penn and we'll find him. that's the irony. sean penn, who idolizes and romanticizes el chapo, may in fact be responsible for him
getting caught by mexican authorities. the reports are that that was information that helped them in locating him. >> it's just like the -- this el chapo. he wants his story told in hollywood, which is why he agreed to the interview with sean penn. he'll probably get his wish. this is a vicious killer. >> it's pretty unbelievable. people have to remember that sinaloa cartel, they say, may be responsible for as many as 125,000 murders. many people tortured to death. don't romanticize el chapo too quickly. it's astounding. he's spending time looking for actors to play him in the movie role. that's how he gets caught. >> insane. so sean penn, everybody is wondering, he interviews this fugitive. doesn't tell authorities. could he be in trouble? >> it's possible but unlikely. under u.s. law, you can be charged with aid sking and abetting, accessory after the fact, harboring a fugitive. all those things require you to
actively help in hiding him. all sean penn is going to say he did was travel and talk to him. journalists have traditionally talked to criminals. there were interviews with bin laden when he was on the run. there's nothing criminal about that. >> sean penn isn't a journalist. i guess he was acting as one. >> what is a journalist these days? i'll give an example. "rolling stone" -- >> it hurts when you pose that question. >> i didn't mean to be looking at you when i said that, carol. "rolling stone" has move d the line on this. they hired a guy in 1972 to cover the presidential campaign. he was dropping lsd during his coverage and it was published and it was a big story. we know what we're getting with sean penn. it's not like they're saying, we're sending walter cronkite to cover this. they know this is sean penn, an activist. he's not bringing objectivity to the story. as long as you know what you're
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average with 28%. but that edge only holds if fewer people vote. mr. trump knows it. >> you have to go and register, otherwise, they're not going to let you vote. go out of here and register. or you can't vote. you know what'll happen if you don't vote in our country will go to hell because that's what's happening. >> when it comes to new hampshire, it is all about the donald though. trump tightening his grip around the top spot in the granite state. in a head to head matchup, bernie sanders slaughters trump and cruz. let's bring in cnn's athena jones with more. she's in washington. good morning. >> good morning, carol. this is all very interesting. of course, trump is the one keeping the pressure on cruz right now. cruz is trying not to really throw punches pack. trump sees these numbers in iowa, sees this race very tight there, and what a big prize it would be for trump to win in
iowa while he's already very much ahead no new hampshire. he's raising these questions constantly about cruz's citizenship and whether or not he's a natural born citizen and eligible to be president. cruz says it's not an issue. listen to what he said on "state of the union" yesterday. >> the substance of the issue is clear and straight forward. as a legal matter, the constitution and central law fee clear, the child born abroad to a citizen is a natural born citizen. today, almost every republican candidate was atrtacking trump, and now they're attacking me. >> the fact is this drum beat from trump is forcing cruz to respond to this over and over again. from our reporters on the ground at the ral lie lies over the we thar , the question had been raised in their mind that they didn't
realize cruz was born in canada. trump is succeeded on that front. cruz is campaigning in baton rouge, louisiana. we'll see if he continues to respond to the issue. on the democratic side, you mentioned the top line numbers. question, a clinton is slightly ahead of sanders in iowa. sanders is leading clinton in new hampshire. what's interesting is these hypothetical general election matchup numbers. we're a long way out from the actual general election. no nominee has been selected. clinton's main argument, part, is she's more electable than sanders. to see sanders leading all the candidates, much more than she does, is pretty significant. in the state of iowa, clinton loses to cruz and rubio. she leads trump by eight points. sanders leads trump by 13 points in iowa and beats both cruz and rubio. we're seeing a similar pattern in new hampshire. sanders way ahead of trump. 19 points ahead. instead of 1 point from clinton. he also beats those other two. it might damage her electability
argument, at least this poll. >> interesting. athena jones, thanks so much. as part of the final push to the first primaries, the candidates are campaigning hard. for trump, that includes a return to late night. he's heading to the "tonight show" with jimmy fallon. you remember the last time, right? >> guess it's time to go out and talk to that dopey goofball gypgyp -- gjimmy fallon and give him the biggest ratings he's seen. how is it going to go? >> it'll be class y. >> it's going to be fantastic. it's going to be huge. >> huge! >> we me now, cnn political congressmen ka commentators. why isn't jimmy fallon inviting ted cruz? >> there is that small matter of ratings, which is kind of a big deal for non-news programs. i think that, look, if ted cruz
does sort of win iowa and does something unusual, perhaps jimmy fallon will make a phone call or two. let's keep in mind, there are these institutional linkages. though donald trump no longer appears on nbc, a lot of people remember him. he has friends, contacts. he is a ratings draw. he is sort of noteworthy, getting a lot of attention. why not? >> sure, why not? let's talk about ted cruz. he could win in iowa, right? this whole berth situation, trump brings it up but it doesn't seem to be hurting ted cruz. >> when you're this close in iowa, a few percentage points matter. some people are talking about this. the fact they're talking about is raises the spe s it in their maybe there is a problem with his eligibility. when voters aren't sure and they're leaning one way or the other, sometimes it's all it takes for them to go, i'm not comfortable with this. he could be tied up in
litigation. all these things that donald trump repeats, it plants the seed and starts to grow. we're three weeks away. a lot can happen between now and then. as long as donald trump continues to make this an issue, it's already dominated the political news cycle almost a week, it may have some of that and all you need is a couple percentage points. he goes from being a win torenea loser, or loser to a winner. >> ted cruz's name has burst on to the scene because donald trump mentions ted cruz at every possible moment. >> he is, in fact, as the front runner, he's come under attacks. i don't know if trump's attacks are going to have much of an effect. there is the issue of spreading confusion and discouraging voters a little bit. there are a lot of super pac ads aimed at ted cruz as the front runner. it might have more of an impact. i was in iowa recently. turn on the tv and every other ad, somebody is going after cruz. there's rough and tumble going on. it is worth pointing out, what
senator cruz said in the piece was right. this is absolutely settled. there is no issue here. it should be noted that the trump campaign is doing everyone a disservice by pretending there is. you can't go to the supreme court and say, give us an opinion about a hypothetical case. if trump means it, he can file a lawsuit in any primary states and it would put it in front of a court. he's not going to do that because it's not a serious issue he's raising. >> if it was a serious concern, why didn't he mention this six months ago when there was a b bromance between trump and cruz? it wasn't until trump realized he was a threat. also, ted cruz is resounding unlikely in washington, d.c., within the party. the establishment cannot stand him. he has no friends in the senate. when john mccain made the comments, it was more to bring up, well, senators passed a resolution for john mccain in 2008, but no one is rushing to
do it for ted cruz, wink, wink, because we don't like him. it's something to pile on. >> i want to touch on -- these are intriguing numbers. when you look at hypothetical matchups in a general election. bernie sanders beats trump and cruz. new hampshire, sanders leads trump, 56% to 37%. when it comes to cruz, sanders wins, 55% to 36%. hillary clinton leads trump by 8 points but loses to rubio and cruz. what do you make of that? >> first of all, new hampshire voters are unusual. there are more people who are independent no skp nthan democr republicans. they are voters who, i think, look, there's a lot of crossover appeal to bernie sanders. you don't have to be a partisan to acknowledge there. the reality is, he chose not to be in the democratic party. he is an independent. caucuses with them but he has unusual ideas.
if you take a typical trump voter, they're lower income. bernie sanders is offering a lot to those people. whatever your political ideology is on immigration, muslims or anything else, he's saying, free college tuition, higher minimum wage, infrastructure projects that create jobs. there's a lot to like for bernie sanders. >> i have to leave it there. thanks so much. still to come in the "newsroom." we are moments away from today's opening bell. how u.s. stocks fair amid more chinese market turmoil.
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[ applause ] [ bell ringing ]. that's the opening bell that range moments ago. take a look at stocks. despite a 5% drop in china today, they are up almost 100 points already. we go to the stock exchange. >> good morning. investors are trying to shake off worries about the slowing economy. in china, you're seeing the dow have green arrows today, up 100 points. you wonder if this is really going to follow through until the closing bell. we saw something similar happen on friday. we saw the dow open up 100 points. by the end of the day, the dow fell 167 points. look at what a week it was last week. did you know the s&p 500 lost more than $1 trillion in value? that's a big deal because a lot
of our 401(k) and portfolios track the s&p 500. you're seeing fear and greed. those are the words from one trader. you're seeing a lot of guarded trading right now. there is a lot of question as to what's really happening in china. one thing is for certain, china's economy is slowing down. that's unsettling for the folks who trade here on wall street. you're going to see a lot of caution. don't expect, one trader says, to see the green arrows follow through to the end of the day. they could, but don't be surprised if they don't. carol? >> reporting live from the american stock exchange. the economy will likely be a centerpiece of president obama's final state of the union. job growth is the first thing highlighted in a white house.gov preview of the speech. don't expect tomorrow's speech to sound like any of obama's others. the president's top aids saying
he's planning a, quote, nontraditional address. let's head to the white house. >> carol, obviously, the president here wants to go out with a bang for his last state of the union speech. play haven they haven't given away a lot of details as to what non-traditional means. people have had fun trying to figure it out. maybe novel ways he'll present this. maybe it won't be a speech at all. what it appears to be is it's not really going to focus in the same way on the same themes that speeches in the past have. he's not going to focus too much on the past but, obviously, he wants to really tout his record over the past two terms. all he's accomplished. doesn't want to focus too much on what he could possibly do with congress because many people see that as being, at this point, not very much. the way the white house has presented this, they want to focus on the big issues. president obama himself said the big things. the big themes to carry america
into the future. it seems this wants to be a really forward looking address. they're also adding other points of interest from what we've seen so far. we know amazon is going to carry the speech after the fact, free of charge. we know that in the first lady's box, they're going to have interesting guests. including a syrian refugee. there's going to be an empty seat, symbolizing victims of gun violence. after the speech, the white house wants to sort of make this continue. they want to have cabinet secretaries travel around the country and talk to americans about the themes that come up in the speech. i think we can say, you nknow, without hesitation, this is likely to be energetic. the white house is putting the interest out there by calling it non-traditional. we'll wait and see tomorrow what all that entails, carol. >> all right. michelle reporting live, thanks so much. you can watch president obama's
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kingpins in the world. >> her connection to el chapo started in 2012 with a tweet she posted, saying she trustedhe drug lord more than the mexican government. the tweet generated a lot of controversy, but apparently, it also opened some secret doors to the underworld of mexican drug cartels. >> reporter: this is the woman sean penn says served as link between him and joaquin el chapo guzman. kate del castillo has been famous in mexico for a long time, but americans have only been introduced to the actress in recent years. she has appeared in films like last year's "no good deed," a thriller about a man who escapes from prison. >> i tried to wait. >> reporter: the 43-year-old also played mexican crime bust on season five of the series "weeds" in 2009. after a successful career as a soap opera actress in mexico, castillo rose to fame thanks to
her role in the 2011 telemundo series "the queen of the south." she plays a woman who, through a mix of tragic and fortunate events, she becomes a drug queen. a thriller partially based on a true story. she raised eyebrows in 2012 when she posted a tweet about el chapo. today, i believe more in el chapo guzman than in the governments that hide the truth from me, even though it is painful, del castillo wrote. she reflected in an interview that more than a compliment to el chapo, her message was a criticism to the mexican political class. >> translator: someone like that, at least we know who he is. we know what he does. we know what his profession is. the others sometimes are worse criminals and have numbed us and hide everything from us. >> reporter: after el chapo escaped last july, she told cnn in español, she was dumbfounded. >> translator: i feel very sorry about that because i always
defend mexico. first of all, i'm mexican and i get angry when in the united states, people say bad things about mexico. i defend mexico. but the moment comes when you can't defend that which is indefensible. >> reporter: in her roles and films or tv, she's been at odds with the law multiple times. now after helping sean penn get an interview with el chapo, she may be in trouble for real. mexican authorities told cnn they want to question her. >> and kate del castillo published a controversial letter to el chapo. she said, wouldn't it be cool if you started to traffic in goodness, she says in the letter. later, let's traffic with love. you know how. >> i don't know how to respond. rafael romo, thank you so much. an american artist living in florence, italy, found dead in her apartment.
the 35-year-old, ashley olsen, not of the olson twins, has been murdered. she was found on her couch, and she may have been strangled. let's head live to rome and bring in barbie. tell us more. >> well, right now, the investigators are performing their autopsy. that really is a road map in any murder like this. when there isn't an obvious cause of death. there were bruises and scratches around her neck. they're assuming she was strangled. they don't know if that's what killed her. there will be toxicology reports. there will be information not only about how she died, but what time she died. it will prove crucial when they start looking at cctv tapes and things like that. it will then allow them to see who entered the apartment, who was lurking around the street. maybe she took someone home with her. what we've been able to understand from the investigators whom leak out information, which is a standard way things go in italy, is the boyfriend, who is the one who
found her body when she wouldn't answer the telephone, apparently may have had an alibi. whether the police are saying that in an attempt to make him feel more comfortable, we don't know if it's a trap. we've seen it in italian investigations. he may have had an alibi. we have reports she may have had a stalker. on her instagram page, she posted at least two pictures in which she use td hash tag, i have a stalker, or cream treep things like that. these will be in the minds of the investigators. the autopsy, which we'll get later this afternoon in italy, will answer the questions of this mystery, carol. >> why was she living in italy? >> she moved to florence two or three years ago, after her marriage fell apart in florida, where she's from. she went to join her father, who is an architect and instructor at an art institute in florence. he'd been living there quite
some time. she put on her facebook page, the day she bought a one-way ticket to italy, to start her life over again. that's a dream a lot of people have, to move to italy and find happiness. unfortunately, for her, that wasn't the case at all. >> barbie reporting live from rome this morning, thank you. still to come, he's facing the most serious charge in the death of freddie gray. today, goodson is going to trial. take you live to baltimore next. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, and the lowest taxes in decades, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in the hudson valley, with world class biotech. and on long island, where great universities are creating next generation technologies. let us help grow your company's tomorrow, today at business.ny.gov
all right. breaking news to pass along. i want to take you live to baltimore. i was just telling you this baltimore police officer, his trial was about to get underway. his name is caesar goodson jr. he is charged with very serious charges in the death of freddie gray. but miguel marquez has this breaking news out of baltimore that the trial may not happen.
tell us more. >> well, it's at least put off for hours or days. we don't know at the moment. the court of special appeals of maryland intervened in this because of the last trial. the trial of officer william porter. he testified in his own defense. p prosecutors wanted to use porter to testify in this trial. a court of special appeals said, hold on until we work out whether or not he can actually testify in the goodson trial. we're not going to go ahead with the goodson trial. caesar goodson, for now, is in the wings, waiting in the wings to see when his trial will go forward. if it does, whether or not officer porter, one of the officers who was involved in his case, will actually testify in it. if he does testify, what will he be able to say? because porter, meant to be tried now in june because of the mistrial in his trial. it is not clear what exactly he
could say without incriminating himself, basically. it's a very -- i think we can underscore this to say it's a legal authority issue here they have to work out before this can go forward. it will go forward in some regard. the 46-year-old caesar goodson, 16 years with the force, he faces that most serious charge of second degree depraved heart murder. meaning he willingfulfully knew needed help and didn't get it. reckless engagement. the last trial of officer porter ended in mistrial. they're trying to avoid that but it'll be some time before they are able to get to a jury. jury selection with officer goodson. then get to that trial. it is -- it underscores just how difficult it is in baltimore to move this forward, with six
police officers charged and just the emotion and the number of lawyers involved in these cases. it is going to be a long, hard slog before all these six police officers have been through the judicial system. carol? >> i just want to show our viewers once >> i just want to show our viewers once more, caesar goodson walking into court. he was the driver of that police van, right? you have to wonder, miguel -- >> reporter: excuse me. he was the driver of the police van. what makes this very, very interesting, there were six officers who were indicted in all of this. he is the only one who has not told his story. he never issued a statement. we don't know what his side of it is. he was the only one with freddie gray from the very beginning to the very end. it's his story people want to hear. it's why he was charged with the hardest and the highest charges in this case.
and porter, because he came along at different stops that goodson was on and they had discussions, porter checked on freddie gray. there was -- there were moments when porter and goodson actually interacted. they need that testimony from officer porter. and that's where the fight is now. goodson has never told his story. we may hear from him for the first time in court now, when it gets going. they need porter, at least prosecutors need, in order to convict goodson of the most serious charges. >> miguel marquez reporting live from baltimore. fourteen agers are in police custody and a fifth is at large after police say they gang-raped an 18-year-old woman at a brooklyn playground. the teens ages 14 to 17 reportedly approached the woman and her father around 9:00 last
thursday. one of the five teenagers pulled a gun, demanded the father leave the playground and each of the suspects raped the woman. schools are reopening in harny county, oregon, after closing for a week when a group of armed rangers took over a federal building. the rakengers are demanding chae to federal land law use and two ranchers convicted of arson. four days after declaring a state of emergency for water crisis in flint, thousands facing unsafe levels of lead in the city's tap water after city officials went with a cheaper water source two years ago. a year later tests started showing lead in the city's drinking water. still to come, one violent play, one crazy ending. if you saw the bengals/steelers game, you saw some hard hits. why does donald trump think the
it was a wild nfl weekend. emotionally devastating and violent. minnesota vikings' kicker blair walsh missed a game-winning chip shot. i bet his off-season will be fun, right? but it was the bengals/steelers game that will live on in infamy. launching himself at a definiteless receiver's head after this pass failed by antonio brown. fans piled on, throwing garbage onto the field. six fans were arrested. boom eer was embarrassed by the way the players carried themselves on the field. one was not, though. >> you used to see these tackles
and it was incredible to watch, right? now they tackle, head-on-head collision, 15 yard -- the whole game is screwed up. you say, wow, what a tackle. football's become soft. coy wire is in glendale, arizona, for the national college football championship game but i want to center on the nfl for a bit in light of what donald trump said. coy, what do you think, was that hit over the top? is the nfl becoming soft? >> reporter: soft? carol, carol, carol, i would say let's but donald trump on the field in some pads with luke kuechly, and let him run a shoulder through his chest and see if the game is soft. better yet, a aqib talib or hussein, who muslim players, let them go after donald and hit him. it's gotten safer, not softer. concussions are down 20%.
a lot of great rule changes have been implemented. we have talk a little more about that extremely violent hit late in that steelers/bengals game. no question it should have been called for personal foul. the nfl has taken -- antonio brown ended up getting a concussion on the play. possibly the best receiver in the game. now his status is unclear for sunday's game against the broncos. the bengals, their season is over but there's a chance burfict will be suspended to start next season and he should be. adam "pacman" jones was penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct for getting into it with steelers and coach on the field. a total breakdown by the bengals on the field. their fans have to be livid. pacman jones, he was not happy about what went on. he went to instagram to let the world know about it. listen.
>> [ bleep ] did a horrible [ bleep ] job! you got [ bleep ] jerry porter in the middle of the [ bleep ] talking to everybody and when somebody say somebody he ain't supposed to be on the [ bleep ] field! >> that could end up costing head coach marvin lewis heir job. he's 0-7 in the playoffs. eight teams left vying for the shot to be called super bowl 50 champs. patriots are hosting saturday. packers and cardinals will play in glendale, and on sunday the seahawks and panthers followed bit steelers at broncos. carol? >> you know, i just want to mention the fans at the bengals/steelers game because six were placed under arrest. when ben roethlisberger fans were cheering and saying, i hope he dies. what's happening? >> reporter: yeah, it's a mind set mentality, i think, many of us are sick of seeing in the sport.
you know, we have kids watching these players and looking up to the players. we have kids, these are their parents throwing beer cans and setting that type of example. certainly, unnecessary and uncalled for, carol. it's been part of the game. >> coy wire reporting live for us this morning. thanks. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom" -- ♪ let's dance put on your red shoes and dance the blues ♪ >> remembering rock 'n' roll superstar david bowie. ♪ ground control to major tom >> musical chameleon, fashion icon. >> he used to change her persona so often. ♪ changes >> this morning fans spanning from the british prime minister to kanye west say good-bye to their favorite space alien.
also, stranger than hollywood fiction. actor sean penn interviews notorious mexican drug lord el chapo before his capture. could the oscar winner be in legal trouble? plus, iowa up for grabs. cruz tops trump. >> i would love to win iowa. we'll see what happens. >> sanders closes in on clinton. >> polls go up, they go down. i stay pretty focused. >> what isn't clear? who will win in just 20 days? let's talk live in the "cnn newsroom." good morning. i'm carol costello. thanks for joining me. we begin with the democratic battle for the white house. presidential hopefuls hillary clinton and bernie sanders now sprinting to the finish line of the nation's first primaries and caucuses. in iowa, clinton edges out sanders by just three points and voters in new hampshire are feeling the burn. sanders now leading his top rival with 50% of the vote. but if clinton is worried about her poll numbers, she's certainly not showing it.
here's what she told "face the nation" over the weekend. >> oh, john, you know, these polls go up, they go down. i stay pretty focused, as i think we all should on what we have to do to build on the progress of the obama administration, but go even further. and that's why i've outlined a very significant agenda to raise wages and to take on the gun lobby and to be, you know, making america safe in every way that i can. those are some of the differences that i have with my primary opponents and certainly very deep differences with all the republicans running. >> let's get straight to cnn senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny for more on this. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. the sheer fact hillary clinton was even doing that interview and the fact she's engaging bernie sanders is a sign she's certainly concerned here. she's not only locked in a tight race in iowa and new hampshire with bernie sanders, she's also running neck and neck with republicans. she's back on the campaign trail today in iowa.
she's increasingly tell voters she's the only democrat who can win the white house. she makes the arlg ument in a new campaign ad over the weekend. >> dangerous. ask yourself, who's the one candidate who can stop them? hillary clinton. tested and tough. to stop them, stand with her. >> reporter: so, she says she's the only candidate who can beat republicans. a series of new polls in iowa and new hampshire shows sanders has more strength than these hypothetical head-to-head match-ups with top republicans. in iowa clinton has an eight-point edge by sanders. cruz leads clinton by four points but reverse for sanders who leads trump by five point here. a lot of numbers to go through. these hypothetical match-ups are just that, hypothetical at this point. but, carol, they do undercut the argument she's been make being her electability. she says she's the most experienced, the only candidate who can win, when sounds a lot
like to me the argument she was making eight years ago this time against barack obama. the question this time is whether voters will embrace it or if it's going to backfire against her, at least in those early two states of iowa and new hampshire. carol? >> jeff zeleny reporting live from washington. thank you. donald trump set to speak in new hampshire in less than an hour riding high in a new poll. he's tightening his grip around the top spot in the granite state but still throwing political shade at ted cruz. here's why. a new nbc news/"wall street journal"/maris poll show cruz and trump are neck and neck in iowa with cruz with a slight edge over his main competitor with 20%. the donald keeps pounding cruz on his place of birth. >> here's the problem. it's called uncertainty. it's called -- you just don't know. what's going to happen is the other side will bring a suit. now, is he a natural born citizen? some people -- i don't know. honestly, we don't know.
who the hell knows? but you can't be running -- >> cnn chief political correspondent dana bash live in wyndham, new hampshire, good morning, dana. >> reporter: good morning, carol. that's right. this is a place where donald trump is riding high, according to most polls, including as you mentioned the latest poll from nbc/"wall street journal." i was walking around the crowd before coming to you. >> i can't hear her any longer. oh, dana we lost your microphone for just a little bit. if you could begin again, we'd appreciate it. >> reporter: okay. you hear -- >> i think your microphone is in need of a new battery or rf interference, as my director just told me. we'll get that technical issue fixed and get to dana bash later on in the show. on to the music scene. if you are between the ages of 20 and 70, chances are david
bowie provided at least some of the soundtrack to your youth and most of your adult life. it was that talent that pushed the boundaries of music, fashion, even gender. ♪ changes turn and face the strange ♪ ♪ changes don't tell us ♪ ♪ changes ♪ turn and face the strange >> millions of americans are waking up to the news david bowie has died after an 18-month battle with cancer. his latest album and this music video coming out just two days before his death. as you can see, the singer's story line shows him in a hospital bed. cnn's phil black is live in london a couple blocks from bowie's birth place and here in new york, cnn media correspondent and host of "reliable sources "brian stelter. i want to start in london because the tribute there has grown quite large. >> reporter: yeah, that's right,
carol. this incredibly striking mural went up a few years ago but today i want to show you, it has become a focus of people's grief here. to locals here, david bowie is part of the history, the cultural fabric but fans have been coming across london to lay flowers, messages, candles. we've seen people standing here crying openly. it's been an incredibly emotional scene, really, as people woke up, heard the news. the overwhelming response people have told us is one of shock. no one had recent to believe he was so unwell that he was due to die, essentipecially given, as touched on there, his most recent album release was days ago. it was here in london bowie began. before he became an international superstar he played in the bars and pubs of the city. listen to some of the responses from his fans here in london responding to the news of his death. >> he was an icon and i was very sad and shocked to hear this
morning because he was kind of eternal, ever-changing, but eternal. >> young americans, i love the album when he went all funk. it was so cool. you could just do what he wanted to do. and he got amazing musicians around him and made his ideas come true. >> i really liked him from a long, long time ago. when he was doing, you know, starship and all that sort of stuff. he was able to change his persona so often. one minute he was one person, it seemed, and then he was someone completely different. >> reporter: this mural, carol, shows him as a glam rock superstar. as he appeared on the cover of his 1973 album "aladdin" but that was just the beginning of his career. from there, well, he explored such an artistic range through various artistic mediums. it wasn't just that, but that is what's bringing people here. they've been coming here consistently through the day in big numbers. it's going to be getting dark here soon and looks like they'll
be coming into the night as well. >> phil black reporting live from london. people are gathering in soho in new york city around the home that david bowie shared with his wife. brian stelter is here with the american part of the story. his appeal was just worldwide. >> absolutely. >> it crossed every age bracket, it seemed. >> he's been described as the picasso of pop or the picasso of rock 'n' roll, an artist who influenced so many generations of artists after him and an artist who continued to produce right up until the time he died. we learned today about this cancer diagnosis. it was a secret only known among family and friends. i wanted to share what one of his long-time producers, tony -- i'm blanking on his name, posted this on facebook, a long-time friend of david bowie. he wrote, he always did what he wanted to do and he wanted to do it his way and he wanted to do it the best way. his death was no different from his life.
he made "black star" for us, his parting gift. i knew for a year this is the way it would be. i wasn't, however, prepared for it. he's a man full of love and life and he will always be with us. for now, it is appropriate to cry. we've seen so many celebrities taking to twitter overnight. we can show madonna's comment. this was her very first concert. she remembers it in detroit, called it amazing. she called david bowie talented, unique, and a game-changer. he absolutely was a game-changer for music and entertainment. >> it's astounding to me. don't know if you listened to his new album "blackstar". >> yeah, it came out a couple days ago. >> he wrote that and produced that while he was dying. that's incredible. >> as tony says, perhaps a parting gift. he was also producing this new play off broadway, downtown in lower manhattan. there was going to be a carnegie hall tribute, a celebration of
david bowie scheduled for this march. it was going to be formally announced today. it will go on, i would presume, with more artists now wanting to join in and pay tribute to david bowie. >> you don't often think about his personal life but he was long married to his model wife, imam, 20 years. two children. by all accounts he's a great father. >> a son from his first marriage as well. strangely, actually, his first wife is on a reality show in britain right now. she's in that big brother house, so she's sequestered. but she was told of his death this morning as well. she's been -- he had been with his supermodel wife for a number of years. and she had been posting on twitter over the weekend, messages that now in retrospect seem to indicate he was nearing death. referring to he didn't know how special a moment was until it passes. >> many thanks. we'll miss him. still to come in the "newsroom," the actor, the drug dealer and the real-life drama over their secret meeting, next. ? we've got allstate, right?
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one of the most feared drugn a mexican prison but inches closer to a u.s. courtroom. this is the home in mexico where authorities captured joaquin "el chapo" guzman. it's not just that daring escape that smacks of hollywood. the american actor sean penn taking some heat for secretly meeting the fugitive for a rolling stone article that came out over the weekend. mexican authorities say they want to talk to penn and the mexican actress who apparently arranged the interview. while the legal and ethical issues are debated, some of penn's colleagues defend the actor's motives. >> it's nothing new, actors going and seeking out meetings like this i don't want to throw any other actors under the bus,
but i know a lot of very, very serious actors and film makers who have been having meetings like this forever. and writers, for that matter, who take meetings like this. and it's part of, you know, what we do to do our job really well. >> cnn's nick valencia is in mechanicco where el chapo is being held. good morning, nick. >> reporter: good morning, carol. senior law enforcement source here in mexico tells me the government here is taking steps to extradite el chapo to the united states. there are reports that could take at least a year. my source tells me we could see el chapo in a u.s. courtroom as early as this summer. much of the talk today has been this this rare and exclusive interview el chapo is said to have given to sean penn. many people scratching their heads how a celebrity could scoop all the journalists
pursuing that very same interview. this interview being brokered by a famous actress who built a relationship with el chapo after a series of tweets in 2012 where she was critical of the mexican government and praised the leadership, so to speak, of el chapo saying she had more faith and trust in him than her other president. we got part of that clip posting on rollingstone.com and el chapo speaks very candidly about his life and role in drug trafficking and seems to distance himself in his role in the violence and tens of thousands of people that have been killed here in the ongoing drug war in mexico.
>> reporter: now, also in that interview we hear from el chapo saying he entered the drug game at 15 years old. he said he had very little other outlet to get out of that small tone in the state of sinaloa. being from a poor area, there's nothing else there for people to survive but enter the drug world. let's get back to that extradition, the mexican government pushing forward. united states very eager to get him into the united states. there are concerns he could escape again. he's in a penitentiary he's very familiar with, the same one he broke out of last year. now, cnn caught up with el chapo's attorney who says he doesn't want his client extradited. he believes the justice system here in mexico is equipped enough to handle the case. >> translator: mr. guzman should not have been extradited to the united states or any other country. what's the reason?
because mexico has just laws that are detailed in the general constitution of the republic. >> reporter: the outstanding question here among locals we asked as well as authorities here is if they're going to get their hands on sean penn and kate. it's unclear at this point if they'll get that opportunity. >> nick valencia reporting live from mexico this morning. let's talk to annamaria salazar, a latin america analyze and former deputy of defense for drug enforcement policy and support. she joins me from mexico city. good morning. >> good morning. greetings from mexico city. >> thank you for being with me this morning. should el chapo be extradited to the united states? >> it depends on how you see it. there's a general -- there's a general sense that he -- it's difficult for the mexican government not only to keep him
in jail. he's escaped twice from maximum security prison, but is the criminal justice system equipped to be able to take the tripe of these types of individuals? anything could happen. they could threaten -- they could threaten judges, kill judges, prosecutors. it is very difficult for any country to prosecute someone like el chapo guzman, and in the case of mexico it almost seems impossible. it seems the best option, even though it would be recognizing the weakness of the criminal justice system, the best option would be to extradite him to the united states. the problem is, i heard in your report they were talking about taking up to one year. this could take between one year and five years before he steps into a u.s. court. so, this could take time. >> wow. so, is there any indication that mexican authorities can keep him from tunnelling out again?
>> well, that's the big question. there was a press conference yesterday by the person -- the commissioner who has responsibility at the prisons in mexico, and he assures they have taken the necessary steps this doesn't happen again. of course, this is not a problem of having really walls and gates and a lot of prison guards. it really comes down to the ability of these extremely dangerous criminals to threaten and to corrupt government officials. when you have that, they can almost escape from anywhere. there is a lot of concern among analysts and, you know, i would just say expressed in the press of the mexican government's ability to be able to keep this guy behind bars. not only because of the corruption aspect of prison guards, but also corrupt or threatened judges, corrupt or threatened prosecutors who could basically lose evidence or could be -- their concern about their families could be threatened by
el chapo and his associates. >> so, ana maria, there's a multination manhunt for this man. american actor, sean penn, found him. what does that say about mexican authorities, if anything? >> well, it says two things. one, if el chapo wanted to be found by sean penn and kate, and, two, it does raise the question as to whether the difficulty in trying to track down these individuals who basically find themselves in areas of the country where the population will protect them or because they are in the jungle, very hard to reach. he was finally arrested in the city where he does have a lot of support by the population. but also they fear him. we spoke to a journalist who works out of the city where he was caught and they were saying the area where his apartment was or his home was, it's basically a couple blocks away from the
governor's home and from a high-level public official of the state of sinaloa. so, you know, they're extremely dangerous. they do threaten the population and they're hard to catch. those who participate in these types of activities and searching will receive threats. their lives do run a lot of risks. >> thanks so much. i want to pause for a moment because we're just getting video in, new video of the raid to arrest el chapo. i'm going to have that for you after a break.
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government video of el chapo's shootout and capture in mexico. rafael romo has a copy. >> this is the video that shows the raid that happened at 4:30 in the morning, friday morning, in the city of los mochis, sinaloa, when mexican intelligent officials found out what el chapo guzman was hiding. let's take a look at the video. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: this is the actual operation by the mexican navy.
what you heard at the beginning is the actual shootout in which five of el chapo's associates were shot and killed. later you hear one of the mexican soldiers say, they got me, they got me. that was the only injury that they got. and then moments later, towards the end of the video, carol, you hear the soldiers saying, let the grenades loose and they start launching grenades into the adjacent rooms in the house. it's a two-story house. and it's a 15-midyovideo but we only show you 30 seconds of. it. you see the soldiers going room by room, clearing the house. by then el chapo had already escaped through a manhole, carol. >> so, they threw grenades at the house. they went in with that heavy firepower. i would assume dozens of mexican agents, and el chapo still managed to escape the house? >> reporter: that's right. apparently he had a number of his hitmen receiving the mexican
soldiers while he was escaping through the back of the house he got into the sewer system of the city of los mochis, he came to the surface, stole a car and was later detained and arrested by mexican police. the video shows other parts of the house where you can see the soldiers going into closets, under beds. they were looking everywhere they could. and the fire fight, as you can see in this video, is quite intense. there are also other people in the house, a woman among them, who surrendered to the soldiers and part of the group of six people who were eventually arrested by mexican authorities, carol. >> while we're watching this, i want to bring in joe, a former nypd detective. i want you both to parse this out for us. did we show our allotted 30 seconds? we're going to show that again.
joe, i assume the shaking -- this is a body camera that someone is running. look at the firepower. what kind of guns are they using? >> they have automatic weapons. no expense was probably spared. he probably has rocket launchers, you name it. he's the biggest drug dealer in the world and he'll have the best defense money can buy. >> the fact they threw grenades, does that surprise you? >> no. i think they were going to do anything. i'm surprised the gun fight only lasted with five of his people getting killed. i figured this would be a blood bath of epic proportions because they're trying to get their boss to safety so he could live another day and sell his drugs. >> is there any way to know how many armed people were guarding el chapo? >> reporter: we know there were at least five who were injured, and then they arrested six others. in the video, and i watched the
whole thing, you can hear the soldiers saying, there's one, there's another one, who has fled already. one important piece of information i want to relate is that the video was recorded on -- from a helmet camera. and the one wearing the helmet, commander of the whole operation, so you get to hear the moment where he says, go, go, go, or stop, or be careful on your right, be careful on your left, because there's a lot of moving parts. remember, this is 4:30 in the morning. it's completely dark. and this is a very tricky house with a very interesting layout. the danger was there everywhere. el chapo at that very moment was escaping from the mexican soldiers. >> so, this was carried out by the mexican marines, is that right? that's the most trusd security force in mexico. >> reporter: yes, that's right. the way this works in mexico, law enforcement, when it comes
to major cartels, isn't trusted in the hands of the mexican navy because it's seen as the only government institution independent enough, trustworthy enough, not as corruptible as local police, can carry out these operations. typically, they don't have any sort of communication with any other mexican security agencies, precisely for that purpose. this particular group, without really knowing, appears to be one of those elite forces the mexican navy has that continually train for operations such as these. they coordinate training with american forces and they have cooperated with the united states in the past. so, i would not be surprised if some, if not all of these soldiers, were trained by americans, carol. >> all right. i leave it there. rafael romo, joseph, thanks to you both. still to come in the
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president obama has invited a syrian refugee to sit in his box with the first lady at tomorrow night's state of the union. this man fled syria's civil war in 2013 after his home was destroyed by a bomb, killing his wife, daughter and five other relatives. last month he arrived in detroit and now he's headed to capitol hill. other democrats are following suit, encouraging lawmakers to bring muslims as guests to the state of the union. now, the idea to invite a muslim to the state of the union is a way to counter an idea championshiped by donald trump and embraced by white nationalists.
that is a temporary ban on muslim immigrants. listen to this robo call that's been going around in iowa. it was generated by a super pac supporting trump, although mr. trump did not authorize the message. >> i'm gard with american renaissance. i urge you to vote for donald trump because he's the one candidate who points out that we should accept immigrants who are good for america. we don't need muslims. we need smart, well-et indicated white people who will assimilate to our culture. vote trump. >> that message is resonating in germany, too, where thousands are protesting against immigrants after a series of new year's eve sexual assaults. police in cologne have now identified 19d suspects and arrested four people in those attacks. most of the suspects were morocco and algeria. with me to talk about this, cnn political contributor and "new york times" columnist, ross, and i'm joined by cnn political
commentator and conservative radio host ben ferguson. welcome to you both. >> good morning. >> ben, let's first dispense with this robo call. some iowans told talking points they've never experienced anything quite like this. what's driving it? >> you have white supremacists, scum of the earth, trying to get free publicity, and this is the way to do it, support someone lead negotiate polls, even though obviously i'm sure donald trump does not want this endorsement. i think donald trump has to be very careful on this, come out and condemn this immediately and say he wants nothing to do with these supremacists and they can go to wherever he ps to put it. he's colorful with words. this should be an easy one to hit out of the ballpark. if he doesn't do that, that's his own fault. but i think you'll see something pretty tough from his campaign. certainly they should. one thing in politics is you cannot control who endorses you outside of your own meetings. anyone can come out and endorse
hillary or bernie or trump and it can hurt you if you don't deal it with the right way. these supremacists see an opportunity to get their name out there, maybe find some new crazy nut job members and they should be condemned by everyone in politics when they come out. >> ross, do you think donald trump will speak out strongly against this group? >> i think that's actually a really good question. i think trump, as we've seen throughout the campaign, is, you know, his whole style is whenever he does something that's politically incorrect or offensive that the media says, well, trump has to apologize and then he often doesn't or sort of half-heartedly apologizes or pretends he didn't really say it or really didn't mean it. that's been his style all along. as ben says, this is a different kind of instance. trump isn't doing this, from the beginning because he's had such a sort of fiercely anti-immigration campaign message, white nationalists have -- they've been latching onto trump since last summer. this is the most sort of visible example.
and i think it would be smart for him to condemn them and distance himself from them. given what we've seen from the trump campaign to date, you can't be confident that's what will happen. >> i want to touch on germany for a second. you wrote an interesting op-ed in "the new york times" entitled "germany on the brink" and you write of germany's open door policy. quote, it threatens not just a spike in terrorism but a rebirth of 1930s style political violence. you go on to write, angela merkel must go. explain. >> i think what's happened in germany over the last year and a half is potentially disastrous for the long-term future of the country. it's important to note that this is -- germany is in a very different position than the united states. regarding refugees and migrants. whatever you think about the wisdom of taking syrian refugees in the u.s., the numbers we're talking about, tens of thousands and so on, are very small and
unlikely to have any effect for good or ill on the country. germany has taken in more than a million migrants over the last year or so. a large percentage of them are young, late teenage and early 20-something men. you have a highly skewed demographic ratio. it's entirely possible that if this continues, you'll have a deep transformation of germany's entire society over the next 15 or 20 years. basically, you have a situation where you could imagine half of the german population under the age of 40 being immigrants, children of immigrants, so on, within 20, 30 years. i think you can already see what's happening in europe. this is unlikely to be politically stable. it's empowering europe's version of -- you know, you you talk about the white nationalists making robo calls for trump. europe has political parties with roots in fascism gaining at the polls in denmark, sweden, france, so on. this is only likely to continue
if this kind of -- if this level of immigration continues. it's very unlikely that europe can sustain this kind of influx. >> ben? >> angela merkel, what she did was put the national security of her country at risk for personal, political gain. she thought it would be a good political move to say, we're a welcoming country, come on in. they were not checking who was coming in. if you want to help people, the last people on the list should be men ages 18, 19, 20, 21. they should have been helping seniors and children, particularly won. they didn't do a good job policing this. now you see the people in germany genuinely terrified about what happened on new year's and other attacks. i think this only plays into the political conversation we're having in this country now. when donald trump says, we don't know who these people are we're letting in, you can't background check them, we don't know what their motives are. germany is a year ahead of us right now and it's pretty obvious that they got duped.
a lot of people allowed to get into that country and they were wrong. >> well, and i like you to reiterate once again, ross, the united states never intended to allow a million immigrants or migrants to come into the united states. >> no. we're in a completely different geographic position. you know, what germany is facing -- and it's obviously an incredibly different challenge. you have people crossing the mediterranean in boats, coming in through greece and italy, so on, trying to get to germany. there are land passages that take them there. and the ability to screen refugees at that scale, it's just much more difficult to do than it would be for the u.s. so, i think it's totally reasonableable to say the u.s. should take a few more syrian refuse geese, while also looking at germany and saying, what's happening over there is a slow motion disaster, basically. >> all right. have i to leave it there. thanks to both of you. still to come in the "newsroom," a cnn exclusive. he claims to be an american
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north korea says it has arrested an american citizen on spying charges. cnn spoke excluescy live with that man who claims he stole nuclear secrets. details are murky at best. will ripley joins us from north korea. hi, will. >> reporter: hi, carol. cnn's nuclear test last week certainly got the attention of the united states when they flew a b-52 bomber very close to the north korean border over the weekend. now it appears north korea once again is trying to get the attention of washington by announcing to us and to the world a case that nobody knew about. a purported american citizen held prisoner here.
days after north korea's nuclear test shocked the world, a new diplomatic bombshell. he says he's an american citizen who used to live in fairfax, virginia. north korea calls him a spy. accused of stealing nuclear and military secrets. pyongyang authorities order kim to speak to us in korean. he seems aware our conversation is likely being listened to. i committed an act of espionage against north korea, he says. i gathered information about its nuclear program and military facilities. kim says north korean agents arrested him three months ago, seizing a u.s. b-drive, camera and documents with details of north korea's nuclear program. cnn cannot determine whether kim is making his statements under duress. he says he was not spying for the united states. but for south korean conservative elements with the goal of undermining north korea's leader kim jong-un's regime.
how did it work? how did you pass on the information you collected? i bribed a local resident, an ex-soldier with military axe ses, he says. he handed over information. i hid it in my car and secretly brought it to china. kim says he drove back and forth from china every day. as president of a company that operates in a special economic zone where foreign-owned businesses operate just inside north korea. the businesses help the cash-strapped regime make money to pay for things like its nuclear program. it's time for the u.s. government to withdraw its hostile policy against north korea, kim says, using the same language often found in pyongyang propaganda. we're allowed to photograph kim's american passport. he says he was born in south korea, but became a u.s. scitizn almost 30 years ago. so far the state department has refused to comment or even confirm his u.s. citizenship telling cnn, quote, speaking publicly about specific purported cases of detained
americans can complicate our tireless efforts to secure their freedom. i'm asking the u.s. or south korean government to rescue me, kim says. neither country has diplomatic relations with north korea. for now, this professed u.s. citizen is detained. no trial date, no idea if he'll ever see his family or country again. the state department wouldn't comment to cnn but we know they did contact the swedish embassy asking them to look into this case after we gave them a call asking about this whole situation. so, it really does appear that the united states government was not aware that this man, who holds an american passport, was being held here. you may ask why now would north korea put him before cameras around the world, at least on cnn. carol, the answer is, frankly, leverage. the nuclear test and holding purported u.s. citizen is one more bargaining chip the regime believes they can hold to get u.s. citizens to talk to them about lifting sanctions and
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checking some top stories for you at 59 minutes past. four teens are in police custody and a fifth is still at large this morning after police say the teenager gang-raped an 18-year-old woman at a brooklyn playground. the teendz ages 14 to 17 reportedly approached the woman and her father around 9:00 last week. police say one of the five teens pulled a gun and demanded the father leave and then each of the suspects raped the woman. the father returned with two officers but by then, the group had fled. police want to know who killed an american artist living in florence, italy. they say 35-year-old ashley olsen was found on saturday in her apartment. according to italian media, she had been strangled. her boyfriend, who's also an artist, reportedly found her
body. he said he hadn't heard from her so he got her landlord to go with him to check on her. police say so far they don't have any suspects. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm john berman. you can see it right there, happening now, donald trump on stage in wyndham, new hampshire, where he will take questions from actual voters. this is a town hall meeting. this is a state where a brand-new poll, and you can bet trump has been talking about that, a brand-new poll with a huge lead for him. >> in the key state of iowa where he is neck and neck with ted cruz. cruz is actually up four points there, which has donald trump on the attack. let's listen in to mr. trump in new hampshire, as john said, where he started off his chat with voters, citing the polls.