>> you will not stay away long? >> rickman died while surrounded by his family in london. he was just 69 years old. thank you so much, everyone, for watching. my colleague wolf blitzer starts right now. hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington, 8:00 p.m. in amman, jordan, 1:00 a.m. friday in jakarta, indonesia. wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. we start with exchoes of paris now in indonesia. isis claiming responsibility for a series of well-coordinated attacks in the heart of the city. it began when a suicide bomber blew himself up right outside a starbucks. gunmen opened fire as police
fled the scene. they also threw grenades at police. at least two civilians were killed and dozens of people were wounded. our senior international correspondent ivan watson is joining us now live from jakarta. ivan, this is the world's most populous muslim country. the attacks seem to be aimed at westerners. what is the very latest? >> that's right, it was an attack that started with a suicide bomb detonated in a starbu starbucks. it's about 150 feet from where i'm standing right now in a very busy intersection, a popular shopping mall that normally right now would be open 24 hours, the fast food restaurants. it's all quiet right now after this attack. we then hear that two of the attackers tried to grab two people and pull them out into the street. believe they tried to target foreigners and kill them. and then there was another group of attackers on motorcycles who tried to attack a very nearby
indonesian traffic police booth that's in the center of the intersection back here. in the end, two people were killed. one of them is an unidentified foreigner. another was an indonesian civilian. at least 19 wounded. indonesian police say five attackers were killed in all. isis has claimed responsibility for this in a statement, wolf, saying that they were trying to, quote, teach the citizens of the crusader alliance that there is no safety in muslim lands. indonesian police have identified one indonesian, they call him bachroum, and he starting a terror network. they have been carrying out big security operations last month. anticipating a possible attack. so it is perhaps as a result of that that the loss of life here was nowhere near the
catastrophic bombings that were linked to al qaeda that indonesia experienced a decade ago. >> it looks like they were going after these western targets like a starbucks, you say fast food restaurants, i understand a burger king was not very far away. in the statement that isis released, did they specifically say they were hitting western targets in jakarta? >> they singled out that they're trying to target what they call the crusader alliance. and that's one of the terms that they used to refer to basically westerners, christians, infidels and so on. now, it's important to keep this in context. indonesia was battling in the last decade, in the decade after 9/11, an al qaeda linked movement jemaah islamiyah that carried out some pretty devastating attacks that bali that killed hundreds of people at the start of the decade. 2009 was the last significant attack that was carried out by this movement.
terrorism experts say that indonesian authorities had a lot of success basically breaking down this militant movement of putting a stop to its activities for a large part. and what we could be seeing here is a next generation. and there have been a lot of warnings coming from the pentagon, coming from australian law enforcement authorities, fears that people who are going to fight on the battlefields in syria alongside isis could be coming back and try to bring that deadly nilistic ideology back here to indonesia. it's interesting, there's been a big response on social media here in the indonesian language. that means "we are not afraid." that's indonesians speaking out against the isis ideology. wolf. >> ivan watson in jakarta with the latest, thank you very much. these isis attacks in jakarta are part of a much larger picture. cnn has calculated that since declaring the so-called caliphate in june of 2014, isis
has conducted or inspired 60 terrorist attacks in 20 countries that killed at least 1,150 people, and has injured more than 1,700 others. joining us now is our cnn contributor michael weiss, also co-author of the book "inside the army of terror." we seem to be talking more and more about these attacks going all over the world right now. should we anticipate more of this? >> yeah, i think is becoming a new normal. it's not really a new strategy for isis when it was known as al qaeda in iraq. abu musab al zarqawi, the founder of that organization, remember, he was responsible for perpetrating horrific, the worse terror attack, known as their 9/11, in november 2005, attacking three separate hotels using suicide bombers. this has always been part of their sort of second phase if you like, establishing an islamic state beginning in iraq and then spreading to
neighboring countries including syria and also escalating these operations. you're seeing them at a clip now with the frequency we didn't see in the aftermath after 9/11 or in the last decade and a half going after al qaeda so this is quite dangerous. >> there are hundreds, i'm told, hundreds of indonesians who have gone to syria and to iraq for that matter to work with isis, right? >> absolutely. you know, look, indonesia is one of the most pluralistic, you know, moderate muslim countries. but it has a tradition of, you know, accepting and tolerating minority groups, buddhists, hindus, you name it. you're seeing now this pushback in indonesian society. another element to this. both al qaeda and zarqawi had targeted australia, indonesian, we mentioned the bali attacks in 2002. the reason for this, the justification was australia had helped liberate east timor from indonesian colonism.
this is why bin laden himself justified the bali attack on australian holiday goers. zarqawi, remember, blew up the united nations headquarters in baghdad. he also said it was because the international community represented by the u.n. had effectively handed a piece of territory to a christian country and it had belonged to muslim land and was given to a christian country, being east timor. so a lot of geopolitical baggage, if you like, that the jihadis bring to bear on going after these southeast asian countries. >> why would they go after targets downtown in jakarta in indonesia which has the largest muslim population in the world? they know in the process later likely to kill fellow muslims. why would they do that? >> remember, wolf, this is fearism. this is an ideology, a doctrine that excommunicates muslims deemed insufficiently pious. which is to say they don't subscribe to the salafi version
of islam al qaeda in iraq or isis put forward. remember, muslims are the first to die at the hands of isis. they've been dying in droves in both iraq and syria. they consider shia muslims to be poly threeistic and marked for death. they consider any sunnis who collaborate or work with the iraqi government or the united states or this coalition that's been assembled to go after isis to be similarly sort of uncle toms or fifth columnists and they can be killed just as easily as a westerner, a secularist, a christian, a jew, you name it. >> michael, thank you. up next, cruz and trump, side by side tonight in south carolina republican presidential debate, but can dr. ben carson break through the top tier again to deliver a performance to boost his poll numbers? his campaign manager, his campaign chairman i should stay, is standing by live. we have new details on why
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standing side by side and going toe to toe, the republican presidential candidates getting ready to square off in the debate tonight. trump will be center stage once again. flanked by senators cruz and rubio. the battle between trump and cruz will also be front and center. sara murray joining us from the debate site, north charleston, south carolina. cruz has started to fight back against trump's attacks. how is this likely to play out tonight? >> well, wolf, i think the time for playing nice is over. in past debates, we have seen trump hang back, but if you look at the rhetoric of the campaign
trail, it's been trump hitting him very hard over this citizen question, the fact he was born in candidate. and cruz saying trump embodies new york values, suggesting he's a little too cozy with democrats. and cruz saying he would be better against hillary clinton in a general election. all of this happening over the last 48 hours. so i think that really sets the stage for where we're going to be tonight. >> as you know, senator rand paul and carly fiorina, they failed to make the cut for the main debate. fiorina will take part in the undercard debate. rand paul says thanks but no thanks. is time running out for these so-called second tier candidates, including mike huckabee and rick santorum, both of whom will also be in the second tier debate? >> on the one hand, no one has voted yet. but on the other hand, the polls do not look great for the candidates in the undercard debate. i think if you're mike huckabee or rick santorum, you basically need someone like trump or cruz
to completely collapse in iowa and hope the conservative wing of the party turns to you. if you're fiorina, if you're rand paul, it's hard to see a lane for then at this point. they're not doing particularly well in iowa or new hampshire. i think rand paul expected this to be a very different landscape. his message is one for a war weary public and not necessarily one that feels nervous about isis. >> sara murray getting ready for the debate. she's already there in north charleston, south carolina, thank you. we're also following a developing story in the presidential race. the finance carson's campaign has resigned. has been at the center of some turmoil in the campaign. his resignation follows an article that says he was under fire for big spending including a $25,000 a month salary. robert dees is carson's manager. what can you tell us about the
resignation of the finance chief dean parker? >> well, we honor dean parker's contributions. he's done good work at a pivotal time in our campaign. as you know, we've done very well raising funds. he has resigned from the campaign. stepping back to press pause for a while. we'll determine what his new role, if any, might be. the bigger story of this is we've had a wonderful acceleration of our efforts within just the past week with new policy on the street, national security, education, economy, health care, that is commonsense solutions that dr. carson promotes because he's the commonsense candidate. he's really -- dr. carson has a lot of fans across america. others have fans but dr. ben cars be has believers and we're seeing that in iowa and beyond. >> he promises, in his words, dr. carson, to be let polite,
more aggressive in tonight's debate. what should we anticipate? will he go on the attack against some of the front-runners like trump and cruz? >> dr. carson is a master of the counterpunch. you will find that he will remain civil in his demeanor. he will focus on issues. he'll focus on what's important to americans. he won't focus on volume. he'll focus on values. you won't see a temper in dr. carson. he will not be a divider, but he will be a uniter. he's the very person who can unite america. he's the very person who can go into the inner cities of america and speak common sense to those people, help them climb the ladder of opportunity out of the situation we're in. he's the one who can have a voice in ferguson, missouri, in charl son, south carolina, and other places where divides, whether it's special interest groups or racial divide, are very problematic, worse than ever during this obama
administration. >> dr. carson believe there's a cloud -- it looks like donald trump believes, a cloud hanging over senator cruz, whether or not he is a natural born u.s. citizen. where does dr. carson stand on that? >> well, i can't speak for dr. carson and frankly we're not focused on senator cruz. his alleged financial irregularities are his business. i'll let him handle that with the media. dr. carson, though, has just put out the tax plan that helped solve financial irregularities among the family around the table. no way to game the system. and so we're very excited about that. that's the finances we're worried about, is the people in america. >> you're a retired u.s. army major general. you saw the video of those ten american sailors on their knees with their hands over their heads after they were detained by the iranians. their two vessels apparently slipped into iranian waters.
what was your reaction to what happened there? >> well, i think, like senator mccain, my reaction was pretty visceral to seeing those sailors like that, in submission to another government. that should never happen. i also have learned as an army general that the first report is seldom accurate. i was suspicious when i saw the way they expressed the apology and the eye movements. it all to me said they were under significant constraints and perhaps even threats. so all of that needs to be investigated further. i'm glad they're back safe with the navy, safe, eventually, with their families, but i think this only highlights bigger problems we have with iran. we have a failed nuclear deal with them. very dangerous as a nuclear developer. but also as we get ready to release hundreds of billions of dollars, over a hundred, to the iranians, that they might further export terrorism in the
middle east and beyond is outlandish at best. >> general dees, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf, appreciate what you do. >> thank you. cnn's political team, by the way, will be watching the debate tonight very closely to fact check the republican candidates and bring you the highlights, anderson cooper leads the gop debate wrap-up, a special tonight, 8:00 p.m. eastern, 11:00 p.m. eastern, ac 360, the gop debate wrap-up. up next, my exclusive sit-down interview with georgia's king abdullah ii. his response to trump's controversial muslim ban. the war against isis. a whole lot more. stay with us. i'm here at my house, on thanksgiving day and i have a massive heart attack right in my driveway. the doctor put me on a bayer aspirin regimen. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. go talk to your doctor. you're not indestructible anymore.
he's been talking anti-isis military strategy with top leaders over at the pentagon. yesterday, he spoke briefly with president obama at joint base andrews outside of washington, d.c. i also had a chance to sit down with abdullah where he weighed in on every important issue out there including the exploding refugee crisis, the republican front-runner donald trump's call to temporarily ban muslims from entering the united states and the very contentious relationship at times with iran. the republican presidential candidate senator ted cruz has called allowing syrian refugees into the united states as lun y lunacy. donald trump, the front-runner now, says taking in syrian refugees could be a trojan horse in the united states. when you hear these comments, what's your reaction? >> they are trojan horses. we definitely know that. so you have to be careful with about the screening. at the same time, we can't let
the probably 80% of the other refugees or t 90% of the other refugees suffer at the same time. it's so always going to be a balance of your moral code of being able to look after people that are in plight to the balance of security. this is something we've always had to deal with. >> how many syrian refugees has jordan accepted? >> well, we have about 1.2, 1.3 million refugees at the moment, but obviously we've accepted more than that because some have come in, some have gone back to syria and some have gone to other countries. >> in the united states there's a big debate about allowing syrian refugees into the united states. about 1,500 so far have been accepted. the administration says maybe 10,000 will be able to come in. do you believe the u.s. is doing enough to help syrian refugees? >> well, we had been challenged recently because there's 12,000 or 14,000 refugees across our border on the eastern side that
have not been allowed to come in except for very strict screening. part of the problem is they've come from the north of syria, from raqqah, which is the hotland of where isis is. we know there's isis members inside those camps. and we have tremendous pressure from ngos and other countries that keep telling us we have to let them in. we vet about 50 to 100 every day. we do have our government, our military and our hospitals, as well as ngos on the other side look after them. but the pressure we get from the international community saying look, we've already got 1.2. so from a humanitarian point of view and moral point of view, you really can't question our determination. but these -- this particular group has a major red flag when it comes to our security. and so we're being very, very careful on vetting. i tend to understand when other countries are concerned, but at the same tyime, we can't ignore
the plight of refugees and we have to let people in. >> what's your reaction to donald trump saying there should be a temporary ban on muslims coming into the united states until the u.s. can figure out what's going on right now? >> i think that's the same challenge we're being pushed to at the moment with the group that we're talking about. we're saying to those, you know, we've had this comment given to us by the united states that you need to allow these refugees into the country. so we're going back to the united states where these comments have been made saying, look, we understand, we are trying to bring these people in, but we're trying to make sure that the mechanisms we put in place, make sure it's never going to be fool proof, but we're going to try and make it as sterile as possible. but like i said, we're accepting 50 to 100 either day from an area that we know there's major danger. obviously it's those that are ill. the elderly. women and children.
i know some people can be callous and say, let all the women in but as we saw in come and in paris, women have been part of terrorist organizations and terror strikes. but we can't ignore and just keep refugees isolated. so you just got to be smart and you've got to -- up got to think with a heart. >> because trump isn't just talking about refugees, he's talking about all muslims on a temporary basis not being allowed to come into the united states. you're a major muslim leader of a muslim country. you hear these comments. your reaction? >> you're into an election cycle so i don't think it's fair to ask a foreign leader to express his opinion on candidates in your country running for election. >> in president obama's state of the union address, he said that the fight against isis should not be labeled another world war iii because that, he says, plays into the hands of isis propaganda. you've called this war against
isis almost like a world war iii. do you see this war against isis now as world war iii? >> well, i've said that the war against the outlaws of islam is a third world war by other means, which is probably slightly different. how i've explained it, it's not just isis. all these groups, from philippines or indonesia, all the way to mali, these are all the same, whether it's isis, boko haram, al shaab bob, wherever you find them around the world, there is either a full-out war or counterinsurgency warfare. this say global struggle that brings, as i said many times, muslims, christians, jews, other religions, fighting alongside us, as we fight our civil war in islam. >> the iraqi prime minister says isis can be defeated this year. in the president's state of the union address, he says this is a
war that's going to go on -- it's going to be a generational war. what's your assessment? >> well, again, let's make the differentiation. when we say isis, syria, or iraq, or are we saying this global war. so isis, syria, iraq, can be defeated fairly quickly. but the global war, what i call the third world war by other means, is one that is a generational one. hopefully, the military secure aspect is the short term or the military part is a short term. the midterm is going to be the intelligence and security aspect. the long term is the ideological one and the educational one. >> and that's a generational war? >> that's a generational one. not only inside of islam as we regain -- we as muslims regain the supremacy against the crazies, the outliers of our religion, but also reaching out to other religions that islam is not what they have seen being
perpetuated by 0.1% of our religion. >> the u.s. says most of the air strikes against isis have been u.s. air strikes. the coalition, other countries, whether the europeans, jordan, the uae, saudis, maybe 6% of the air strikes. the suggestion is you, the coalition, is not doing enough. >> i know the figures, the amount of air strikes that we did, not counting the amount of air patrols and reconnaissance flights we did. we've been hitting tremendous amount of targets. we always wanted to hit more. and i think that having a good relationship with the secretary of defense and there's a couple of new generals in the pentagon now that i think want to over, i think you'll see an increase in tempo.
there's been some good operations. i can say we want to see a bit more. that's one of the reasons why we visited d.c. and it comes down to this issue of synchronization. how do we bring it all together? this is something we've discussed over the past several months and this is what we're trying to do now. what can we do to really close the circle. what do the iraqis do. what do the kurds do. in coordination with the rest of the coalition. vienna is very important because how do we deal with the russians? if we can get the russians to part of it, that is even better. >> do you believe russia and iran, dealing with the future of syria, might abandon bashar al assad, the syrian leader, and allow him to sort of abdicate, move away? >> my discussions with president putin is we need to move the political process forward as
quickly as possible. obviously, there are those countries that say bashar has to move today and the russians are saying not before 18 months. i'll talk about this from our point of view because obviously we have the free syrian army in the south and we're working with the russians, creating a cease-fire with our forces in the south. and i specifically have discussed with putin. you can't expect young men and women to put their arms down and abide by a cease-fire if there's no movement on the political process vienna. they're not going to sit there and do this for two or three months and not expect something to happen. so the russians are fully aware that sooner rather than later we have to have a mechanism that allows the process to move forward. and i think we all understand that that does mean the departure of bashar. >> the saudis, as you know, executed a shiite cleric.
others accused of terrorism. in response, the saudi embassy in tehran was burnt, ransacked. the saudis severed diplomatic relations. other countries, the uae, kuwait, qatar, bahrain, they downgraded or severed relations. jordan didn't. why? >> well, we are in coordination with the saudis. we took a firm position against what the iranians did. we fully support our saudi friends. we took the position that we took. we brought in the iranian ambassador and expressed our displeasure. this was done in coordination with our saudi allies. we have an amazingly strong relationship with our saudi brethren. my relationship with his majesty the king, the crown prince, is extremely strong, and this was the position that we had worked out between ourselves and again don't forget we are part of the
svienna talks when it comes to syria, so it was felt having us in a bit more flexible position at the talks is probably more prudent at this stage. obviously, there is now heightened tensions between the saudis and the iranians that is going to play out in the vienna talks, but more importantly, i think what the saudis, looking at the higher moral ground, don't want this to escalate into a regional sunni conflict. so i think everybody's trying to make sure we can calm this down and focus on what needs to be done. >> i know you have jordan has very good relations with saudi arabia, but did you have a problem with their execution, the beheading of these terrorists? >> no, they told us about this beforehand. this is an internal issue. and we respect obviously their decisions and their internal decisions cycle. as we said, we fully supported what they had to do.
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ask your doctor if farxiga is right for you and visit farxiga.com to learn how you can get it for free. two u.s. navy boats off course in iranian waters. we're now learning new details about what led iran to grab ten u.s. sailors. a u.s. defense official says one of the boats was having engin trouble but it's still unclear if the sailors knew they were in iranian territory. when the iranians approached, the u.s. boats could not rapidly get out of the way because the so-called engine problems. the u.s. navy says it's conducting a full debrief of the ten sailors and how they were treated. they're also looking into the details of the sailor's apology
broadcast on iranian television. >> the iranian patrol boat came out when we were having engine issues and had weapons drawn so we talked -- tried to talk to then until more boats came out and took us in. it was a mistake that was our fault and we apologize for our mistake. it was an misunderstanding. we did not mean to go into iranian water. the iranian behavior was f fantastic while we were here. we thank you very much for your assistance. >> it's not clear the sailors were speaking voluntarily. the u.s. government has yet to circumstan clarify the circumstances under which these statements were made. joining us, jim sciutto and cnn military analyst retired lieutenant rick francona. jim, new information you're getting about these ten sailors, their condition and what happened to them? >> this is what we're learning. basically the navy found out
they were detained or the first sign of trouble is when they lost contact with them. they weren't communicating. and through the great reporting of our barbara starr, we're learning one of those two fast boats had engine trouble, as they were tending to it, they apparent lly drifted into the three miles recognized as iranian territory around farsi island which has a naval base for the revolutionary guards and that is when they were then surrounded by iranian forces. and the word is they were outnumbered. and iranian forces then boarded them. the u.s. navy, while alarmed certainly by these pictures, understanding the local commander's decision to, in effect, give up. because he couldn't fight. you're outnumbered. you're surrounded. your first priority is protecting your crew. >> these images we are showing viewers, very disturbing. when is the last time we saw ten american sailors down on their knees with their hands over their heads, machine guns
pointed at them? very disturbing pictures. what do you make of that? >> i think the iranians overreacted. this obviously was a ship in distress. they were seeking assistance. if you read the iranian reports, they say the other american ships in the area were acting unprofessionally and they felt they had to take this action to defend themselves. we all understand that farcy island is a very sensitive intelligence facility for the iranians. they were looking for propaganda tool here in which they used very, very effectively. over the last couple of days, we've seen numerous videos, numerous still pictures. some of them are disturbing. one of them compares the iranian treatment of our sailors versus what we did to the iraqis in abu ghraib. i mean, that level of reporting on social media and in the media. this raises so many questions about what they were doing there. 50 miles off the coast.
>> jim, within the next few days, the implementation of the iran nuclear deal is about to go forward. and millions of dollars in sanctions relief will go forward to the iranians. walk us through that process. do they get $100 billion right away? is it spread out over a long period of time? >> no one's going to write them a check for $100 billion. where that figure comes from is more than $100 billion in iranian assets have been unfrozen. when those sanctions are lifted, they will have access to them. fact is, many of those funds are due other creditors that iran's in effect going to have to pay. they're going to get billions dollars as part of this deal. they're not going to get that full amount. of course, they will also be open for business. they can sell their oil again, et cetera. i'm told by diplomats that implementation could come as soon as this weekend. imagine the timing there. if you still had u.s. sailors in iranian custody. what exactly iran would be risking by extending this beyond
the 16 hours they held them. >> getting back, colonel francona, to the ten sailors, some are suggesting this was a violation of the geneva conventions to parade these sailors with their hands over their head and put them on video, show the world these images, degrading images, if you will. do you believe it is a violation of the geneva conventions? >> well, it is, but we've never seen the iranians or people in that part of the world pay attention to the geneva conventions. but the humiliation of those sailors certainly was a violation. and of course the iranians meant it to be a humiliation of the united states and this constant reputation is all over media. trying to reinforce that opinion. that they're equal to the united states in the gulf and they're humbling the great satan. this is a propaganda victory for the iranians. they seem to suffer no consequences for it. >> coming up, senator bernie
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i will take brilinta today. tomorrow. and every day for as long as my doctor tells me. don't miss a day of brilinta. hillary clinton's lead over bernie sanders in iowa has just down to about 2%. that according to a new bloomberg des moines register poll shows clinen on to at 42% to bernie sanders 40%, well within the margin of error. for more on the battle, let's bring in our panel. s.e. cupp and donna brazil. is hillary clinton starting to see shades of 2008 when she not only lost iowa to then senator barack obama but also to to then
former senator john edwards. . >> she's winning among democrats, but among independents first time caucus goers, there's no question she's having trouble get. ing their support. i think the campaign needs to make sure she cannot just grab democrats but those who will caucus first time caucus goers and a big generational divide. she has to go after them as well. >> he's 74. she's 68. but he's doing better among young voters. >> i talked to a lot of democrats. they will tell you democrats love hillary clinton. her favorables among democrats show that. but they love hillary clinton until there's any other alternative. and that's what we saw in 2008. she just doesn't -- she can't get the kind of enthusiasm that elizabeth warren gets or joe biden had for a brief period of
time. it's not to say she's not going to win the nomination, but he's give. ing her a hard time because she isn't the well liked, enthusiasm building democrat that some of the oh other candidates are. >> bill clinton, he says he's not surprised it's getting closer in iowa and new hampshire. listen o to what he said. >> all they are doing now or should be doing is talking about the differences in their positions. that's good. that's healthy. >> what about the polls tightening? does that surprise you? >> no. i am surprised it didn't happen six 60 days ago. >> as you recalled, joe biden decided not to run. the first democratic debate hillary clinton surged in the poll. she's having problems with undependents and young voters. if she's able to pick up the steam with indeps and get young
voters, she will do fine. she's only lost once and that was to barack obama. that was the most excite iing p call year of my career. this is going to be a close race. bernie has momentum, but hillary clinton still has a lot of gas. >> she was elected senator twice. >> interesting thing about what bill clinton just said. they are talking about the differences in their positions. and they are doing that to a certain extent, but they are also not doing that. when chelsea clinton talks about bernie sanders wanting to dismantle obamacare, completely dishonest i don't think that's pointing out differences in positions. when clinton has a surrogate say that bernie sanders doesn't care about the hispanic community. the hillary clinton campaign is getting nasty and they have been getting nastier for quite some time now. they are having panic attacks. >> bernie sanders is a single pay rer medical system. medicare is older available.
he wants it to be available to all americans. what he isn't, planing is how is he going to pay for that. >> that's going to be one of the big issues. chelsea was asked a question. she earned her ph.d. in studying health care systems. i just want to defend chelsea on that. the clinton campaign has to be a lot nor aggressive. bernie sanders has real momen m momentum. there's a real difference on many issues. i get the e-mails. i'm also getting a lot of fundraising requests from both cam pawns. >> they will have a little debate sunday night the democrats. that potentially could be lively. >> i'm sure it will be because the ranker has really started to build up. there was a time when bernie sanders was complimentary of hillary, very careful not to take a swing. he's started to get more aggressive. it's getting close to iowa. it's getting personal. . you're going to see a lot of passion from both candidates. not to mention another democrat
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