tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN January 14, 2016 4:00pm-5:01pm PST
be sure to join us once again tomorrow right here in "the situation room." i'm wolf blitzer. thanks very much for watching. erin burnett "out front" starts right now. breaking news. a new poll showing donald trump arunning running away as they prepare for a fight at tonight's debate. a deadly paris-style attack on a starbucks at a major tourist spot. the second time this week isis targeting tourist. another black teen shot and killed by a chicago police officer while he was running away. why did the city fight to keep it a secret? you are going to see it for yourself tonight "outfront." let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. breaking news, donald trump about to take center stage at
to tonight's republican debate. trump will be armed with one of his favorite weapons, a new national poll just released by nbc and "the wall street journal." it says donald trump is in the lead and with a huge margin. huge margin over his riefsh ava. 33% support trump in the latest poll, 13 points of ted cruz. 13 points. just last month, the very same poll showed him leading cruz by only 5 points. that's crucial, because, of course, cruz has had a lot of momentum over the past month. at this moment, trump and the other leading republican candidates are backstage. they are making preparations for this crucial debate, which comes just weeks before the first votes are cast in this race. dana bash is out front tonight from the debate side in north charlotte, south carolina. dana, you have been talking to ted cruz sources today. is he prepared for a big fight tonight with donald trump?
>> reporter: my understanding is the answer is yes, erin. the two of them have been making nice for a very long time. they have been try -- at least from the perspective of ted cruz, trying to not really engage that much with donald trump or any of his opponents. but that, my understanding from talking to cruise sources, is going to change tonight. donald trump and ted cruz played nice at every debate until now. it's hard to believe this won't happen on tonight's stage. >> we got a little problem. you have to make sure you can run. gout make sure you can run. a lot of lawyers say you can't be born in canada. >> this issue did not seem to concern donald until a little over a week ago when suddenly he was trailing in the polls in iowa. >> reporter: in any scenario heading into the first vote in iowa and new hampshire, these are the men to beat. two mens much of the republican
establishment can't stand. >> we will support whoever our nominee is because it's the voter who makes the decision. that's who we will respect. >> reporter: gop lawmakers privately tell cnn between the two, they would prefer trump over cruz, their own congressional colleague, because they think cruz's appeal is too narrow and trump gets the gop a better shot at winning the white house. at a breakfast this week with reporters, ryan acknowledged that trump could bring people into the republican party. quote, you have to give him credit for that ryan said. ryan let out an audible grown when asked about trump's force to round up undocumented immigrants. >> we're going to build a wall. >> reporter: concern about trump's rhetoric turning off non-white voters is a key reason gop leaders chose south carolina governor nikki haley to be the face of the party following the president's state of the union. but she turned out to be the voice of worried republicans. >> during anxious times it can
be tempting to follow the siren call of the angriest voices. >> reporter: conservative talk radio hosts slammed haley for criticizing trump. but he was uncharacteristically sir coup circumspe circumspect. >> i am angry and how our country is being run. >> reporter: many trump supporters blame republican leaders as much as democrats and they are trying to walk a fine line on the potential of trump at the top of their ticket. >> we don't want to have another president like this one that divides the country. >> what people remember about ronald reagan was not that he was a solid conservative but that he was opt miimistic and upbeat about the future of america. >> reporter: talking to republican sources, particularly in washington, there was a sense of denial that donald trump could ever be their nominee. that is starting to melt away as they see the same polls that we do. they hear the same things from
republicans out in the country that we see. and that is that donald trump is doing extremely well and could very well be the man at the top of their ticket. >> dana bash, thank you very much. donald trump's campaign spokesperson now, the former communications director for senator ted cruise and the former communications director for the republican national committee. great to have you with me. doug, let me start with you. the top two candidates for the gop, donald trump and ted cruz, are both men the establishment does not like. i could use stronger words and i would still be accurate. let's go with does not like. which one from your perspective is worse? >> i have announced that i won't be supporting donald trump because i don't think that he's a conservative. he has never proven to be. trump says a lot of things that liberals can like. he said hillary clinton would be a great secretary of state. that is things that republicans done believe. while i haven't made a decision on who i will support, when you
talk about ted cruz, ted cruz unlike trump talks about issues. ted cruz has a long r0rd of conservatism. he was a great lawyer to john boehner when he was suing jim mcder not. he worked at the federal trade commission. he knows how government works. whether i support him or somebody else given the choice between the two, it's clear, one person is very dangerous for the party and for america, and that's donald trump. >> you would support ted cruz. katrina, what do you say? this is somebody who was the former spokesman for the republican national committee would support anybody but would not support donald trump. >> there are a lot of republicans that seem to think that. as dana mentioned, she said that donald trump is the best chance to beat hillary clinton when in the beginning they said if donald trump is the nominee, we will lose. i think what we're dealing with here is people who want to be pandered to. they say donald trump isn't a conservative. when you look at the economy, like immigration, those are very important to republican voters. frankly, the last few election
cycles across the board, all those republicans that gave us those think tank talking points and talked about those issues didn't govern accordingly. that's the problem. >> amanda, what about this poll coming out tonight? we know donald trump will bring up this poll. he will love it. it's a big national lead. it's increased. ted cruz has been getting all this momentum. in the same poll, trump is up 13 points now. a month ago he was only up five points. is this something that should concern ted cruz? >> i think the cruz campaign is probably focused on performance tonight. they will have a chance to tangle one on one, face to face, no more twitter fights, no more fighting through media. i think this is a great opportunity for ted cruz to ask donald trump to settle this question about the birther stuff, about the canadian status. if donald trump tried to slink away rather than address the issues head on at this opportunity, it's going to look really bad. >> do you think ted cruz will put that question straight to
donald trump, amanda, say, mr. trump, do you take it back? do you think it will be that direct between those two men? >> it may come to that. when i think about it, i think you have to see what the debate thee thee theatrics are about. it needs to be dealt with. i would expect cruz to find some way to address it. >> i would imagine there's no way donald trump will back down. there are now constitutional scholars who have taken the side of saying this is an issue for ted cruz. i can't imagine he will back down. >> i don't think you will see him back down or slither away. if there's one thing we know is donald trump won't back down from a fight. he doesn't have to resort to twitter. if the issue does come up, he will stand by it. as you said there are scholars out there that agree that this could be a problem. whether or not senator cruz addresses the issue, the bigger question is, how is it going to open up more -- how is it going to open up further going into the iowa caucus, is he going to talk about the issue, is he
going to resolve it? is there going to be this back and forth we have seen over the last couple of weeks? it's our understanding that it can be dealt with. unfortunately, it's not. >> this is going to be an issue tonight. there's no question. i think everyone in the country will watch to see how this plays out. doug, when you say you would support anyone except for donald trump, i want to play for you something that happened to donald trump last night at a rally. because it sort of epitomizes why people like him. let me show you. >> i don't like this mike. whoever the hell brought this mike system, [ bleep ] put it in. this mike is terrible. stupid mike keeps popping. do you hear that, george? don't pay them. don't pay them. i believe in paying. but when somebody does a bad job like this stupid mike, you shouldn't pay. terrible. >> this is why a lot of people like donald trump. he is not going to pay if the job isn't done right.
he doesn't tolerate failure. do you accept that he could be the nominee at this point? do you accept that? >> i do accept it. that's why i think it's dangerous. the birther issue showed an ugly side of the gop in 2008. i think it's showing an ugly side right now. one thing i think we should remember, it's not just going to be ted cruz versus donald trump. this isn't a one on one heavyweight boxing match. this is a battle royale. you will see a lot of people go after donald trump or ted cruz or go after each other. they are all going to make a lot of noise as well. there will be less candidates, that means more time for everybody to go after each other. >> a fair point. fewer people on the stage. you have rubio and bush and christie and kasich trying to make a very, very big splash tonight. thank you all three very much. next, clinton fading in the polls. is this 2008 all over again? donald trump, a subject largely ignored at tonight's under card debate.
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hillary clinton with the iowa caucuses two weeks away, the once presumptive nominee is in a dead heat with sanders. her edge dropping to 2% in just a month. that is within the margin of error. is this 2008 all over again? jeff zeleny is "outfront." >> reporter: she has been here before. >> i wish we could elect a democratic president who could wave a magic wand and say we shall do this and we shall do that. that ain't the real world we're living in. >> reporter: clinton urging voters to be skeptical of promises made by her rival. this time it's bernie sanders. it sounds similar to this moment eight years ago. >> you are not going to wave a magic wand and have the special interests disappear. >> reporter: it's back, a sign clinton is no longer the inevitable front-runner. a new iowa poll shows clinton and sanders deadlocked.
it's a troubling trend for clinton. as her support has dipped, sanders has surged month by month. he is heading into the final two weeks with real momentum. >> there are two democratic visions for regulating wall street. >> reporr: his message is facing new scrutiny. he is under pressure to get specific on issues like healthcare. >> as senator sanders has some very big ideas, but he hasn't yet told anybody how he would pay for them. >> reporter: the question is how sanders' plan will affect middle class taxes. >> a lot of what he has talked about in his campaign would be very expensive. >> reporter: supporters are unfazed. he is building a coalition that looks like obama's in 2008. he is leading clinton decisively among independences, voters under 45 and first time caucus goers. something else sounds familiar, an argument about electability. now clinton is saying this. >> think hard about the people who are presenting themselves to you. their experience.
particularly for those of you who are democrats, their electability. >> reporter: a flashback to 2008. >> i believe i have a very good argument that i know more about beating republicans than anybody else running. >> reporter: of course, voters will have the final answer who is the most electable candidate. but a few moments ago, senator sanders told me that he will indeed disclose how much his healthcare plan will cost and explain more of the fine print of that before the iowa caucuses. that's something he is responding to. he says he is not engaged in negative campaigning. the clinton campaign convened a conference call saying sanders is negative campaigning. he says he is trying to draw contrast. i can tell you this crowd behind me tonight in new hampshire is supportive of sanders. >> jeff, thank you very much. "outfront" front, jonathan
justini and david brock. david, let me start with you. you heard? jeff's piece, it's the same voters who gave then senator owe be a mra his first win in iowa. that win that turned an election. that group now backing bernie sanders. i'm talking about people who are caucusing for the first time, people who categorize themselves as independent and young, under the age of 45. is this 2008 all over again? >> no. look, i don't think anybody thinks that senator sanders is obama. let me tell you something. the reality is, it's senator sanders who has said he will pin iowa and new hampshire. the polls today and in the last few days show hillary is still slightly ahead in iowa. new hampshire is close. that's why the sanders campaign is feeling pressed. that's why they are running a negative campaign. they swech eswitched strategies sanders promised not to run negative. they went up with a negative ad. they were the first to go negative in the fall when sanders attacked hillary at the
dinner when his staff stole millions of dollars worth of data from the clinton campaign. then sanders went out with an innuendo that the clinton people did it, too. he is feeling pressed. the gun issue -- hold on. on the gun issue he is out of touch not only with democratic primary voters, but on wrong side of it. >> i think you see -- >> hold on. >> i get your point. >> can i finish? >> i think you see the panic flowing out of his pores. >> if i can finish. one of the biggest priorities of the nra was this issue of immunity for gun manufacturers that he supported. he supported the charleston loophole that got the shooter to get that gun before his background check. he has this -- >> he has this half-baked -- he h . >> let me let jonathan get in. >> i will say right now, we will win iowa and new hampshire. will not be surprised when that happens. i predicted that months ago.
it's really a fact that this is a political revolution. it's a political revolution versus the status quo. i think that's why millions of people, young people -- i met republicans just now in florida who said they are former republicans who are going to vote for bernie in the florida primary. people are saying, we don't want to support candidates of the status quo. we don't want to support candidates who voted for wars like the iraq war. that was what hillary clinton did. we don't want people who are close to the drug and insurance companies who are close to wall street. we want a fundamentally different political economy. they are surging to bernie. i had no doubt that bernie could win these two. the only question i had was raising money. we have proven over the last several months that we can raise money. i don't want to -- i want to compliment the clinton campaign. let me be clear. i hope they continue to engage in these false attacks around healthcare. >> we're not the ones doing false attacks. >> every single time we do we raise money.
in the last 48 hours, the campaign has raised $1.4 million because people see that these are false attacks. >> okay. >> i want to compliment -- i want to thank the clinton campaign. >> okay. jonathan. go ahead, david. >> why doesn't senator sanders keep his promises? why doesn't he tell the truth about his record? >> so let's talk about healthcare. let's talk about -- >> you want to interrupt me again? >> you asked to talk about healthcare. >> hold on. both of you stop. i do want to go to healthcare. i want to go to healthcare. and you just heard bernie sanders who told jeff earlier tonight that he is going to give more details. the campaign had earlier indicated he wasn't going to give more details. this could cost $15 trillion. the words he used is that he is going to give an outline -- an outline of the numbers. doesn't he need to do more than that? give real numbers about what the cost is going to be here. is he avoiding the issue ?
>> not at all. we spend $3 trillion a year in healthcare. sanders' campaign does not cost more money. he wants to rei'llrei'll indica money. it's $15 trillion over the course of a number of years. it doesn't cost more money. what he is doing is he is killing the insurance companies. his plan would save the average person making $50,000 a year, it would save them about $5,000 a year. yes, in their paycheck just like they pay social security, they would see a little number which would be about 2.3% of their income just as they do in australia where they have medicare for all. but at bottom line, when you go to your bank account, every single person would save if you are making $50,000 a year $5,000. the clinton plan, because as -- >> hit pause for one moment. i want to give david a chance to respond. >> look, i'm glad we're starting to get details. >> those details have been out
there. >> hold on. senator sanders was asked if he wanted to dismantle obamacare. he said no. he sai he didn't support the exception the charleston loophole when he did. >> let's stick with -- >> he needs to tell people about the truth about his record. a quarter of the people in the polls don't know who senator sanders is. >> the opposite has happened. >> as we start to have -- he has had no scrutiny. >> erin, here are the -- the more people learn about bernie sanders, the more they are flowing to him. >> there's not true. >> that's why he is going to win. >> we are finding out -- >> on the healthcare question, he has been very clear that his plan would save americans money. >> that's not true. absolutely not true. what do you think -- >> i will have to hit pause. i'm not finding an easy moment to end this. i will hit pause. i will say we are awting --
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tonight, the republican presidential candidates making last-minute preparations for tonight's crucial debate. a new poll breaking shows trump with a double digit lead over his closest competitor ted cruz, 13 points. the seven men will take their podiums in about 90 minutes in south carolina. this is literally where they will stand. when i say center stage, i am being literal. donald trump will be standing in the middle as the front-runner
flanked by ted cruz and marco rubio. the candidates avoided going after donald trump moments ago at the under card debate or each other. it just concluded. instead, their zingers were targeted at hill cary clinton a president obama. >> listen to the democratic debate and find out how bad it is. >> the president says the gun show loophole. there is no gun show loophole. i've been to more gun shows than president obama. i bought more weapons at them. you fill out forms. >> i have had and been blessed by a lot of opportunities to do a lot of things in my life. unlike another woman in this race, i actually love spending time with my husband. >> that was one of the toughest zingers there tonight. iowa just weeks away. tonight is do or die, isn't it? >> it absolutely is.
the stakes are high for many of the candidates tonight because the pressure that the calendar is really putting on them. three weeks to the iowa caucus. really creating that make or break moment, that big moment, cultivating that to have the big breakout moment on stage, that the window for that is coming to a close for many of these candidates. creating that momentum as they head out in the ground in iowa and new hampshire goes a long way for candidates as people head in to cast their vote. that's why we're going to see and we already have seen some of the candidates like carly fiorina like tonight, she came out right out of the gate, blazing against clinton, trump, president obama, trying to create the moment, that momentum to break through and reclaim the narrative. that is the goal of many of the candidates tonight. >> thank you very much. the former arkansas governor and republican presidential candidate mike huckabee. thank you for being with me. i appreciate your time.
you just finished up the debate. i noticed watching that you did not attack the republican front-runner. >> daymeon: donald trump at all. is this because you accepted he likely will be the nominee? >> it's mainly because he wasn't there to defend himself. i try to be a gentleman. it's not appropriate to attack somebody who is not there and somebody who is about to get two hours of air time and you can't defend yourself when you do. my fight is not against donald trump. my fight is for the nomination. if you heard the debate tonight, you heard me fight for those folks who are getting social security checks and scared they will lose them. are the people who are standing on their feet all day long, that's what the fight has to be about. my beef isn't with donald trump. if he gets the nomination, we're behind him. i'm still fighting and i'm doing 150 events in iowa this month, because we still believe there's a real shot to pull this off. >> now, i want to play a part, actually, of an interview i did
last night with donald trump. the reason i'm playing this is because it's about tonight's debate. it's about ted cruz and his canadian birth and whether that makes him ineligible to be president. let me play the exchange for you. >> i don't want to talk about it. probably somebody tomorrow will ask a question. i will give them an answer. all i'm doing is saying, if there's a question mark. nobody can deny there's a question mark. that's a problem. >> i want to ask -- >> i'm not -- i'm not going to bring it up. >> you are not going to bring it up tomorrow night? >> no. why would i bring it up? i'm asked this question all the time. >> you have said you have concern about this issue. my question to you is, should the rnc tell cruz to step aside so they don't run into a lawsuit and possibly lose the white house if he's the nominee? >> i don't think they would tell him to step aside. i think that's an overreaction. i didn't think it was an issue until i started seeing extensive and thorough detailed articles from constitutional law professors with strong
credibility saying that this is an issue. i think senator cruz needs to settle it. the rnc has no business telling him that he should step aside because there's a question. the issue is, answer the question. settle it. deal with it. >> how can he do that? >> i guarantee you one thing -- i think he would have to ask for a summary judgment from a court, supreme court ultimately. i don't think that it has ever been a case law that's been ultimately settled. had an attorney tell me told, t this is not settled law. needs to be settled for his sake as well as the party. >> that could take months and months. if it were you, would you continue running and going for the nomination? would you step aside? >> for me, it's real simple. i was born in arkansas. we already have clearly established that you can be born in hope, arkansas, and be
president of the united states. my answer would be, let's give hope one more chance. we know that there's not an issue for a president born in hope, arkansas. that is settled law. >> governor, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much. >> thank you. great to be on. >> wrapping up his part of the debate as he is running for a top finish in iowa. isis attacks tourists at a starbucks. a paris-style attack. a live report of what happened here at the starbucks. video tonight capturing a chicago police officer shooting, killing an unarmed black teen who was running away, shooting in the back. we will show you this video for the first time. it's video of the city of chicago thought you would never see. fact. advil pain relievers are used by more households than any other leading brand. to treat their aches and pains more people reach for advil. relief doesn't get any better than this.
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opening fire killing at least two, injuring more than two dozen people. ivan watson is "outfront" live in jakarta for us. you have details tonight. >> reporter: that's right. look, it's rush hour here. it's the morning in jakarta. look how busy this place is. imagine at least three attackers with guns, suicide bombs, grenades first attacking that starbucks and then getting involved in gun battles with police here and attacking -- we will spin over here. attacking what was a police traffic control booth here. and in that ensuing gun battle here, at least two people were killed. i have just spoken with the police chief of jakarta. he has identified one of the foreign victims as an algerian born man with a canadian passport. another indonesian was killed. an indonesian police officer
seriously wounded. this could have been so much worse, because the police say they found after basically killing the attackers, they found at least six unexploded devices. you can imagine the amount of damage and pain that that could have caused. it did not happen. now, the police chief also said that the mastermind is believed to be an indonesian who traveled to syria to join isis. the police chief thinks the order came from directly from raqqah, the isis strong hold in syria, to indonesia. this man, that he told his followers here to try to carry out an attack. the security forces here ramped up security in december. they were anticipating a christmas or new year's eve attack. it did not happen. instead, we had this battle in the streets here on thursday morning that resulted in the loss of lives of two civilians. it could have been so much
worse. >> thank you very much. i want to go straight now to the former cia operative bob baer. you heard ivan's latest reporting, six unexploded devices, this was directed directly from isis stronghold in syria, from raqqah. multiple attackers, a starbucks, paris-style. what do you make of it? >> it looks like a paris-style attack. it was synchronized, explosives, weapons, multiple attackers. they wanted to reproduce paris, clearly, to me. the fact isis claimed it, certainly looks like an isis attack. the fact that it was possibly directed from raqqah is very important. it tells me that the islamic state is on some sort of campaign now. i mean, they have taken serious losses, ramadi for one, and they want to let the world know they are there. they are hoping to -- turn it into some sort of insurrection in countries like indonesia.
>> it's targeting a business district, starbucks, an american company. a lot of american companies in that area. targeting specifically starbucks. this is something you warned about on the show many times. isis could target tourist areas, whether in europe, whether in asia, in the united states, where tourists go, where american businesses are. >> exactly. we are the main enemy for the islamic state. they believe we're leading concerted attack, including russia, against them. the idea is to kill americans or hit american businesses or hit people in uniform like the attack in philadelphia against the policeman. it's very clear what they want to do. they want to sew chaos around the world. they want a reaction from the united states. they want a conflict they think they can win. this is apocalyptic, but that's the way they think. >> bob baer, thank you very much. two isis attacks against tourist central areas in the past three days.
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tonight, caught on tape, stunning new video shows another black teen fatally shot by a chicago police officer. the 17-year-old was armed and running -- unarmed and running away from officers when he was shot four times. it appears in the back. a federal judge ordering the release of the video. scolding the city of chicago for trying to keep you from seeing it. rosa flores is "outfront" in chicago. >> reporter: it's another deadly shooting caught on camera. an unarmed black teen shot and killed by a chicago police officer. the video's release today after a judge's order to show the final moments of said rick chapman's life three years ago. at 1:46 p.m., surveillance cameras capture chapman getting
out of a car and running away from police. that's chapman running between two parked cars and on the sidewalk. a police officer close behind. two seconds later, a second police officer, kevin fry, is seen in the middle of the street with his weapon drawn. chapman disappears out of frame. still running away from police when fry opens fire. officers say chapman was pointing a dark object at them and shot in self-defense. the object turned out to be a black i foen box. the camera pans over and showed chapman on the street and then about a minute later, a police officer is seen with a foot on the wounded teen's body. >> you have a 17-year-old kid that's shot and killed bleeding in the street in chicago handcuffed face down on the ground and for him to essentially step on him on top of it, it's just totally
unreasonable. >> reporter: unreasonable and disturbing according to the judge that ordered the video to be released. the judge also called the city irresponsible for what he called an age of enlightenment. the judge is referring to the city's motion to drop its opposition for the release of the video made late wednesday afternoon after a three-year fight. the city's explanation, transparency in the public's interest. >> i would say it's a political move. >> reporter: attorneys for the officers sent cnn a statement saying they had reason to believe the suspect was armed. the police officers have not faced criminal charges but instead chapman's two accomplices who were ten blocks away were charged with the teen's murder. they later pleaded guilty to lesser crimes. the police officers kept their jobs but are facing a wrongful death suit from chapman's family.
the federal judge's frustration with the city of chicago didn't end by calling attorneys irresponsible. the judge went on to say and to scold city attorneys by telling them, look, you argued this video was grainy. the judge said, i looked at it. it's not. and then attorneys you argued that it wasn't clear which officer fired the shots. the judge said, it's very clear. he said, officer fry fired the shots. before i go, i want to show you one more thing. as i'm looking through the documents, the autopsy report for this particular case, and yet some other discrepancy here. it says, subject exited the vehicle with a gun and pointed at police. police shot subject. if you look at the video, this note is definitely not jiving with what we saw in the video. >> more questions about whether they are lies from the police department. thank you very much.
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tonight authorities are trying to recovered body of a base jumper. he died after stepping off the edge of an arizona canyon in a wing suit. it's believed he hit a wall and fell to his death 600 feet down. space jumping is the subject of a cnn film this sunday. is the rush really worth the risk? martin savidge has our story. >> reporter: remember growing up that classic parental argument, if you friends jumped off a cliff, would you? >> i'm shaking like a madman. >> reporter: if your answer is yeah, he is a base jumper,
extreme sort soaring in popularity thanks in large part to breathe taking videos like these. base is an acre numb from what you can jump from, base, antennas, spans and earth. no time for a reserve chute. it's fly or die. >> once you step off, nothing in the world matters. you are, i think, that's the only time that you are 100% free. >> reporter: base jumping may be thrilling but also killing enthusiasts at an incredible rate. something that dr. madoff, yes, he's also a surgeon knows well. he wrote the book on it. so when you break it down to danger versus other sports, other extreme sports, where does
base jumping stand? >> up here. >> reporter: since 1981 conservative counselests more than 270 deaths in a sport with just 2,000 to 3,000 active participants. jimmy and his wife ma rrkmarta many of them. >> we lost 30 close friends in the past 15 years. we'll lose one or two friends a year. >> reporter: but if death isn't enough to make you think twice, how about prison? in many places in the u.s. you risk not only breaking your neck but the law? >> it's illegal in national parks across the country. >> reporter: national parks are home to a number of popular jump sites. they ban the sport not to protect jumpers but the environment. >> we had people land on trees, in rivers. we have falcons that nest in the cliff. we have that concern. >> reporter: to try to reduce the death toll, he and his wife run a base jumping school.
>> what is there to know about base jumping off a cliff? >> mostly it comes down to opening your canape at the right time and the right way, dealing with any malfunctions, that's the big one. >> reporter: despite the incredible risks, the lure of base jumping is driving more and more people over the edge. >> i watching people and you were talking to a man that lost 30 of his friends. why does he do it? >> this is the question that comes up over and over. why do people do this? is it that motivates them to go over the edge? clearly, there is something different about them and that's actually been shown medically and scientifically. >> their brains are wired different. >> i exactly. harm avoidance, i have a healthy dose of they apparently do not. they atalk about freedom. there is something about
standing at the edge and looking and confronting your fear and then leaping off. >> all right. our thanks so much to you marty. "sunshine superman" that is on sunday night right here at 9:00 on cnn. thanks so much for joining us. "ac 360" begins now. get ready, the top republicans are going at it tonight on stage in north charleston north carolina without a doubt campaign blood, how could there not be with jeb bush calling donald trump a jerk and ted cruz playing "born in the usa" to spite him and cruz slamming trump's values and bush polling single digits to spoil the chances of his old friend marco rubio with rubio, chris christie, january kasich and carson struggling to break through. it's hard to imagine there won't be blood on stage tonight. joining