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>> it was felt five weeks later when the ground war started and lasted 100 hours before they call ed it quits. remember those days vividly. the news continues next, right here on cnn. i'm pamela brown, great to have you with us. breaking news at this hour, the year's rough start on wall street seems to be getting worse. the dow tumbled hundreds of points on this brutal trading day. . a short time ago it plunged 500 points. i'm going to bring in paul. oil prices are triggering some fear as part of this. break it down for us. what is going on? >> oil is one of the main reasons why stocks are plunging today. it pretty much plum etted all year and that's tied to china. you have considerable concern that china's economy is e
slowing down. that's led to the pullback in oil but also supply as well. iran very soon could have more oil supply on the market. you see what's going on with saudi arabia not cutting back on production despite the plunge in oil. . so a lot of concerns. >> i think it is a little bit. i'm sure already many investors as well as pros who don't want to get caught heading into a long weekend with the port follow owe in a position hit with more losses on tuesday. . i think that's magnifying some of of the losses today because we're not going to have the market open on sunday. >> that's a very good point. not a great way to start off the year here in 2016. thank you very much. now to the race for if the nation's next president.
neck and neck in the iowa polls. donald trump and ted cruz go after it center stage at the presidential debate in south carolina. it's fushl, the gloves are off and it's game on, even trump said so. trump was referring to cruz attacking his, quote, new york values. a line of attack that's now made cruz per sesona at the new york news. it's not liking the response. i'm going to talk more about this. it seems like the jabs keep coming even today. >> that's right, pam. we should point out this clash took a little bit of a time out here in iowa. donald trump was in urbandale earlier today and stopped at this pizza ranch, which is an iowa tradition heading into the iowa caucuses. . candidates will go through this chain of restaurants from across
the state. it's one of those things that donald trump has not done a heck of a lot during the course of the campaign but hoost starting to do more and that's a sign he's serious about winning the iowa caucuses in two weeks from now. earlier today in urbandale he didn't talk about this controversy about the texas senator's citizenship and donald trump's questioning of whether or not he can be eligible to be president. and ted cruz that donald trump has new york values. none of that came up during the event. this was donald trump focusing on the basics in iowa and that's getting his voters out to the caucuses on caucus night. . he wanted to make sure the caucus go rs know what to do, where to go when they make their choice and e had talked about the crowds in his events and how he feels that's a sign he's going to do well in iowa.
here's what he had to say. >> the other day we had a 15,000 people and 7,000. people we couldn't gt them into the arena. they are saying maybe they won't show up to vote. but it seems crazy because some of those people wait iing in li for seven hours in the cold. i don't even know how you do it. but seven hours in the tocold. they wait and wait and it seems hard to believe you wait seven hours and they like me more after the event and don't show up to vote or caucus or whatever they want to do. >> so donald trump speaking honstly about the conventional wisdom. yes, he had a good debate performance, but can he get these people the thousands of people who show up at these big events out to actually vote. and so o to hear donald trump talk about that is an indication that it's a concern inside his campaign and knows he has to get
that part of this done to close the dole in a couple weeks. the other thing he hasn't done. a lot of is to come to places like this pizza ranch. he didn't have a slice of pizza when he was here, but people med note of that. >>. as they should. >> the campaign put out a statement saying that the pizza was waiting for him on his plane on his way back to new york. . so they want to make sure that the folks here in iowa understand he did have some pizza ranch pizza. >> as a pizza lover, i u can't imagine being there and not having a a slice. thank you for pointing that out r us. perhaps the biggest win for trump was his comeback to cruz's attack that he has new york values. his response won praise from his arch rival hillary clinton. . take a look. she tweeted, just this once, trump's right. new yorkers value hard work, diversity, tolerance, resilience. and here's the exchange from the
debate. >> but everyone understands that the values in new york city are socially liberal or pro abortion or pro gay marriage focus around money and the media. >> new york is a great place. . it's got great people. . loving people, wonderful people. when the world trade center came down, i saw something that no place on earth could have ha handled more boutfully, more humanly than new york. >> and with me now is political reporter maeve reston. maeve? >> yeah, this was such a fascinating moment in the debate. a really strong moment for donald trump. obviously, it's a risk when you talk about september 11th for any politician. but he really got the better of ted cruz in this exchange. it was a very human moment for donald trump talking personally about how this affected him. and he really just neutralized that attack. you could see it in ted cruz's face as he was watching this play out. and i do think that attack on
the campaign trail from ted cruz will just disappear after that exchange during the debate. new york values does work as an attack in a iowa, but the way that donald trump came back against it and the way that people feel about september 11th and new york, i just don't think it's got any punch behind it anymore. >> explain to us why it works in iowa and how it could backfire though if you're looking more. long-term for cruz. >>. the thing about cruz is his campaign is key to those conservative voters in iowa and many of them think that the big cities on both coasts, los angeles and new york, have completely lost touch with american values. and that's why cruz went there with donald trump. he thought it was a strong line of attack against him. but what ted cruz's biggest risk is is he's key iing his message too much to the state of iowa. you see how well donald trump is doing in new hampshire where you have a broader base of voters.
those attacks are not going to play as well as pop are looking at ted cruz and saying could he be a a good general election candidate, could he go up against hillary clinton or too conservative for undecided voters or middle of the road voters to embrace him. >> trump wasn't the only one going after ted cruz. we heard marco rubio unleashing on him on multiple issues. let's take a listen to that. >> ted cruz, you used to say you supported doubling the number of green cards. now you say you're against it. a 500% increase in guest workers. you used to support legalize in people that were here illegally. now you say you're against it. you used to say you were in fair of birthright citizenship. now you're against it. it's not just on immigration. you used to support tpa. now you're against it. i saw you orn the on the senate floor flip your vote on crop
insurance. and we saw you flip your vote in ethanol in iowa. that's not consistent conservatism. that's political calculation. >> so cruz's response to this it was that at least half of those accusations were not true. so what does that mean that the other things he said are accurate? >> didn't you love that that cruz was counting the attacks down to each one in his head? both guys are great daeebaters, but this was one of the toughest moments in the campaign so far among the other candidates with the exception of donald trump. you just throw everything at the other candidate and ted cruz didn't have enough time to come back and explain on each of these instances the parts where marco rubio was wrong. and so it was a really powerful moment for rubio in that second there that really might start to raise questions for a lot had of voters about whether ted cruz has flip-flopped on issues because he has evolve d as many
of the other candidates have over time, and so it was really a fascinating aggressive moment by rubio really showing what he's trying to do is finish strong in iowa and knock out ted cruz and go up against trump as we move forward in the primary. >> 17 days away until the iowa caucuses. maeve reston, thank you very much. >> thank you. sean penn breaking his silence over his controversial interview with el chapo. why he's now at risk and in the cross hairs. plus sources telling cnn iran instructed the american sailors to act happy during their detention. it doesn't stop there. and stunning images from inside an american school. teachers walking out over the conditions from rats and roaches to mold, just absolutely disgusting. we'll take you inside. wfrom your cold & flu. you give them a case of the giggles. tylenol® cold helps relieve your worst cold & flu symptoms... you can give them
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>> they wanted to encourage the cartel to put you in their cross hairs. >> yes. >> are you fearful for your life? >> no. >> so i want to bring in peter vincent at the u.s. embassy where he coordinated 500 extraditio extraditions. great to have you with us. we heard penn say the mexican government is em bbarrassed by e fact he met el chapo before they caught up with him. do you think his visit was a critical part of el chapo's capture as mexican authorities have claimed? >> good afternoon, pamela. there's no doubt whatsoever that the mexican government was deeply embarrassed. i dare say humiliated six months ago from one of their maximum security prisons. i think mr. penn is engage iing self-flattery if he thinks the mexican government is concerned regarding sean penn's role in this particular issue and
whether or not he's being blamed by the mexican government. >> interesting. does he have a point that it could make them look bad that he got to them before they did recently? >> sean penn was able to obtain an interview. the mexican government, the very good mexican marines, were getting close already. i have no doubt they were monitoring communications within the state of mexico and were well aware of this particular meeting. didn't know where it was going to take place or what time. they deserve credit for actually capturing joaquin "el chapo" guzman last week. >> sources say they delayed this operation in october because penn was meeting with el chapo. so if investigators do confirm this secret meeting helped them locate el chapo, should penn and kate del castillo be. fearful of retalluation? he does think the government is trying to put his life at risk. >> i don't think either sean
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michigan's attorney general says his office is is opening an investigation into the water crisis in flint, michigan. the announcement on twitter today flint's water supply has become tainted with high levels of lead after it switched water sources in 2014. they will see whether any state laws were broken in the process
that led to this contamination. . and rick snider says his office will cooperate. he anoint pointed a panel to review the water challenges. the governor was asking president obama for a federal disaster declaration so residents and the city could get federal aid for such remedies such as temporary housing and home repairs. fema is helping coordinate a response for this and as many as 30 michigan national guard members are expected on the ground today to help pass out supplies and clean water. in the meantime right next door, cnn is getting a firsthand look inside some of the detroit public schools that are in gross disrepair. the dilapidated state prompted teachers to stage a sick out. dozens of schools had to temporarily shut down because they are fused to work with bad plumbing and some infested with rats. cnn's jean casarez shows us the shocking images. >> reporter: school conditions like this prompted detroit
public school teachers to call a sick out several days this week. 64 of two-thirds of the public schools were closed monday leaving thousands of students out of the classroom sparking the division of occupational safety health administration to launch an investigation into spain elementary school. >> this is our gym. we have been told this portion of the building is off limits to us as of two months ago. our school has been empty for six years. we have been banned from our own playground. no jgym and no playground. >> the principal told the national president of the american teachers federation who flew in from washington for the meeting conditions at the school are intolerable. from a a e rodent infestation to girls bathroom stalls having no doors. the technology classroom without acess to the internet. >> i have seen a lot of bad
situations. this ranks about some of the worst. >> additionally, water leaks at the school fixed but never sealed. >> i have been in this building about 40 minutes now and i am hoarse. i wasn't hoarse when i walked in. are you concerned about that for the children? >> absolutely. there's clearly environmental issues when you have leaks in buildings, when you have carpeting that has been leaked upon. >>. darnell early appointed by the governor to head emergency management for the district says not all of detroit's 96 public schools have these issues. and with an accumulated debt of $515 million they have to make tough decisions on what schools get what improvements first. >> financially, we don't have the capacity and decisions have been made for years about how best to use those dwindling resources. you have to really use kind of a
crystal ball to decide what's the best way to spend these few dollars. >> at this detroit parent network forum thursday night teachers got support across the board, but not everyone agreed on the tactic of the sick out. >> i believe it's a bad thing for the children. i believe their education should have really been considered and thought about. >> although the community is divide ued on what to do about very real challenges, and until the district can get money, the students will continue to bear the burden. >> what i worry about is losing teachers and also closing down the school. >> what an enlightening report there just to see the conditions that the students and teachers have to endure. what are city and school administrators doing o to fix this problem? >> reporter: well, the state
legislature yesterday introduced legislation controversial, i am told, but what it would do to take that $515 million debt that's on the shoulders of the school district here and make the state responsible for paying it, which would then free up the moneys for the school district to pay for some of these repairs. now don't know if it's going to pass. the emergency manager tells me the district is going to run out of cash in april. so if that legislation does not pass, they are going to have to make a serious decision whether to determine that the school district is insolvent and then they have to figure out what to do with the children. we do want o to tell everybody the technology room at the school, one of the e three schools i visited that has no internet, they have the computers but no internet, that wiring had to be cut out last year some time because of a water leak. it was never put back in, but they tell me they are back on it now and they will restore the
internet for the students today or next week. >> wow, i'm glad some improvements are being made but seeing you in that interview hoarse just being in the school 40 minutes is startling to see that. jean casarez, thank you very much. coming up, my next. guest. says ted cruz got crushed by donald trump in last night's debate. i'll ask him why. plus ted cruz's college classmate and debate partner, what he thinks of how ted cruz handled donald trump and what he remembers about his days at princeton. we'll be right back. we stop arthritis pain, so you don't have to stop. because you believe in go. onward. today's the day. carpe diem. tylenol® 8hr arthritis pain has two layers of pain relief. the first is fast. the second lasts all day. we give you your day back. what you do with it is up to you. tylenol®.
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over. no surprise, right? a fiery exchange bringing it into the bromance between the two presidential hopefuls. >> i'm not going to use your mother's birth against you. >> because it wouldn't work. >> you have a big lawsuit over your head whul you're running. who the hell knows if you can even serve in office. . >> i'm not taking legal advice from donald trump. >> you don't have to. >> not a lot of conservatives come out of manhattan. i'm just saying. >> that was a very insulting statement. >> the two no longer holding their punches, but the question now, who came out on top? my next guest says cruz got crushed. debate coach at southern illinois university, there are some people who disagree with you. others say cruz was the one who came out on top. you say cruz made tactical errors and his biggest mistake was going after new york values, labeling them pro abortion and
pro gay marriage. why do you label this a blunder? >> you have to remember a lot of people like to vote on reputation. ted cruz has a reputation as a good debater. it didn't carry the debate last nugt. it was sort of that aloofness. does anyone else see the irony of someone from princeton and harvard talking about values? donald trump did and what donald trump said not only do conservatives like william buckly come from new york but new york values are, by the way, american values. he didn't have to say the phrase american. he reminded us that new york is what got attacked in 9/11 and new york is what we had to rebuild. donald trump, he pretty much wiped the smirk off his face. >> others say he was trying to appeal to iowans with the
caucuses 17 days away. one of the reasons trump came out on top was that he was funny. in all fairness, cruz got some laughs too. let's play more about the birther issue that he talked about last night. let's take a listen. >> back in september, my friend donald said he had his lawyers look at this from every which way. there was no issue there. there was nothing to this birther issue. since september the constitution hasn't changed. but the poll numbers have. >> here's the problem. we're running, he does great. i win, i choose him as my vice presidential candidate and the democrats sue because we can't take him along for the ride. >> that was one of the more memorable exchanges as we saw to laugh it off. do you think he was successfully able to put that issue to rest
in the way he handled it in the debate? >> no, cruz made a rookie debating error because donald trump pued the old it's not me, it's them. what donald trump said is i believe you, but those evil democratic harvard liberal lawyers, what they will do is bring you to court and they will tie up the republican party. so how did cruz answer that? cruz answered it by saying, well, you shouldn't believe things because these are being brought up by liberal harvard professors. yao you're going to tie up the republican party and cruz had no answer for that. >> what did you think about marco rubio, who really went after cruz toward the end of the debate? what do you think about that tactic? >> i thought he lit him up like a christmas tree. he had trouble at the end of the debate because all rubio did which was an effective strategy is point out one flip-flop after
another and pointed out about seven of them about things cruz was or against. and unfortunately for cruz what it makes him look like is opportunistic and he'll say anything to be president. debate last night. terrible - >> what's interesting about that tactic is cruz doesn't have enough time to go through each allegation and respond to him. todd graham, thank you so much. my next guest knows cruz's debate skills better than anyone. i want to bring in ted cruz's former debate teammate and classmate at princeton university. thank you for joining me. . >> i know you just saw that segment. i want to get your thoughts on what todd had to say. what are your thoughts about his criticism that cruz got crushed last night? >> i don't agree at all, frankly. i think ted did well last night. it was funny while watching him i remembered -- i was taken back
to when we were back at school together because so much of the way he speaks and communicates is very similar to what made him america's top debater back in 1992. let me address the issues that came up. on the issue of new york values, edadmittedly that was a difficu situation that ted was put in. i don't think he was entirely expecting the question. >> how can he not? he was the one that criticized trump. he had to have been prepare d fr that question. >> i frankly would have thought so too, but i would think if ted had been anticipating that question perhaps he could have preempted donald trump's response by referring to the conduct and the bravery and heroism shown by new yorkers following the terrorist attacks of september 11th. what's interesting about ted's response to that is while trump was giving his answer, when trump was looking straight at
the camera and talking about the bravery and the heroism of new york on september 11th, what was ted doing? i think that a lot of other people in that situation had they been standing on that stage would have been embarrassed, ashamed, would have looked away, would have looked at the ground but ted did not. he kept his focus directly at donald trump. he didn't flinch. he didn't blink and at the crescendo of donald trump's speech, he burst into applause. he effect you havely aimed to communicate the message, obviously, you can decide whether it was successful or not but aim ed to communicate the message that donald trump's comments about the bravery of new yorkers was not a response an attack upon ted cruz but was a general statement in support and in praise of the people of new york that ted was able to try to adopt and to make his own. i'm not sure what else ted could have done many that situation.
>> so let's just move on to talk about how cruz was in college because you went to school with him. you were on the debate team. any sort of unique moments from when you were on the team that stick out to you? what was he like back then? >> in many ways, he's like what he is now. he was very serious, he's very smart. he was very committed and dedicated. e he wanted very much to make himself america's top debater and he worked very hard to make that happen. and to develop the skills that we saw in evidence, i think, last night very convincingly. something else interest iing th came out was ted when he wants to be be very funny. i found it was remarkable that he had the room in stitches several times last night. when we were back at princeton, when you go to debate tournaments, there were stand up
comedy events that happened in between rounds. ted didn't so many of them later on, but he did those events more often in his first year. and he also had several times do public humorous debates. he could bring the house down. he can be very funny and it was interesting to see that come out last night because it it hasn't in the previous debates. >> one of the key moments he got everyone laughing is the birther issue and telling trump the constitution hasn't changed since you defended me in september. but you remember that he was acutely aware of his citizenship when he was younger. >> you mean was he aware that the fact that he was born in canada have a potential implication? yes, he did. frankly, i suspect that every american citizen born abroad has the same question. as a child you learn in your civics class about who was eligible to be president and you
ask, well, i'm an american citizen, but i was born abroad. does that apply to me. and e ted as a child asked that question. and the conventional wisdom is that an american citizen born abroad is eligible to run. and for various reasons, that's the conventional wisdom. there's been a debate as to whether that's correct or not. >> i have a feeling that debate will continue. >> when ted was addressing the issue in between the humorous comments was giving two examples of situations where an american citizen may be born abroad and what examples did he choose. he chose the example of a child of an american soldier and a child of an american missionary. and he chose those examples because there was historical precedence, but those examples
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cnn has been busy gathering new information on what led to the capture of ten american sailors in iranian waters. those sailors have been free for a few days now after one of them apologized to iran on camera. and. we're now learning that sailor was the man in charge and felt e he had no choice but to apologize. a defense official familiar also
tells cnn they were told to act happy while the cameras were rolling. cnn's barbara starr is live at the pentagon with more. what are you learning? >> hi, pamela. we do have some new details about how all this happened. what defense officials are telling cnn is it looks like the sailors made a decision at some point to change their course as they were traveling north up the persian gulf. they changed course because they are trying to make up time to get to a refueling point. they needed gas. all of that was planned but they were short on time. they cut a corner, changed course, they don't exactly realize apparently according to these initial indications where they are. they lose track of their position and they are having engine trouble and they find themselves surrounded by iranian troops. they drifted within three miles of iran's farsi island. that's when iranian forces came
out and took them into custody. so it's a series of decisions that apparently did not work out for these sailors losing track of where they were at sea. >> losing sight of their surroundings. is this being looked at though as an error in judgment on these sailors' behalf? >> there's an investigation going on and as they complete the debriefings, they are going to look at what happened, what they can learn from it. nobody is prepared to say anything yet about any accountability. it was lieutenant david who spoke on camera. and the sailors have also told their debriefers that they were indeed told when they appeared on this camera on iranian tv they were told by. the iranians to act happy. the iranians wanted to show the world navy sailors looking happy
so we now know for a fact that they were under some duress. this was not something that it they chose to do openly. >> very interesting. barbara starr, thank you for that great reporting. turning to sean penn. is he in fear for his life? why the actor says he's at risk in his first interview since the el chapo capture and his secret meet i meeting. that's ahead. first, next week cnn's anchors are taking a look back at who change their lives the most. here's a sneak peek. >> my son helped make me change. >> these people changed lives. >> can you believe we're back here? >> join the familiar faces of cnn as they share their special someone with you. >> the voyage that your suggestion sent me on.
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breakfast giants are making major changes to america's most important meal of the day. christina has more. >> cereal, america's go-to breakfast food for decades. who doesn't have memories of slurping down colored cereal. but it's a sign of just how much cereal has morphed and the industry is pay iing for it. sales are slipping and now companies are cutting sugar and replacing artificial colors. are changes making cereal any
less processed or any more healthy? that question led me to a high security test kichen in minneapolis. taste ing the cereal that only few people have eaten. a multibillion dollar business experiments with cereal. >> i don't taste a difference. >> a team is reengineering trix. colors will come from natural sources. carrots and radishes for red, blueberries for purple. >> what's missing from this is blue and green. we haven't been able to solve that yet. it didn't deliver the vibrant color. >> it's taken years to develop the new recipe, but why go through all that trouble? >> we had to start a number of
years ago starting to hearing from consumers that they didn't like the ingredients. >> artificial colors, what does the research show? >> there have been some good studies that show a small but significant effect of artificial colors on behavior and cognitive function. >> and now after decades of research about possible harm, some consumers have are decided they don't want anything artificial in their food. >> consequently a demand has arisen for dye-free foods. >> many cereals marketed to children contain high amounts of artificial colors according to a 2014 study. in 2010 the eu slapped warning labels on products with certain artificial colors when research linked them to hyperactivity in kids. the year after the fda set up a committee to look at the same issue. the agency said there wasn't enough evidence to link color to behavioral problems, but more
research needed to be done. critics say there hasn't been any significant research in almost a decade. >> why does the industry continue to use artificial and natural colors? >> that's a great question. the coloring has no value other than cosmetic. it's only to make the food look better. the problem is that if one company uses it, and their food looks more attractive, it forces the others to use it also. i'm pamela brown on this friday. e we begin with breaking news on wall street. the dow has plunged 400 points in a brutal trading day. a short time ago it was down about 500 points. so let's take a look right now. it seems to be changing as the day goes on.
let's talk about this with business correspondent alison kosik at the new york stock exchange. so allison, what is going on here? how much are these low oil prices playing a role with this? >> before i get to oil prices, look again at the dow. the dow down 365 points. believe it or not, this is an improvement from earlier today where as you said, we saw the dow down as much as 530 points. we'll take it. as far as oil prices go, we're seeing a pattern where wall street is continuing to kind of take its cues from oil and to move in lock step with oil. if oil moves lower, stocks move lower. there's an oversupply of it and there's less demand for it. so that's signaling a global economic slowdown. today in particular, we watched oil prices crash to levels we haven't seen in 12 years partly because sanctions are expected to be lifted on iran. that could unleash more oil on an already oversaturated market.
. we saw it close below $30 a barrel for the first time since 2003. that's 12 years ago. so the concern is oil. there are other reasons as well. economic data came out in u.s. showing retail sales for december fell. that's not what you want to see, especially in the crucial holiday shopping period. also a manufacturing index fell to levels we haven't seen since during the recession. so all of that giving reason for investors to cash out today. >> really a myriad of factors and the sanctions could be pooled as early as this weekend. thank you so much, alison kosik. race for the next president is neck and neck. donald trump and ted cruz go after it center stage at the republican presidential debate
in south carolina. i guess it's official. the gloves are off, it's game on. trump said, quote, ugh the bromance is over. after he went after the birthing candidate and cruz targeted trump's new york values, ratings show more than 10 million people tuned in and in case you didn't see it, here are some highlights. >> i think most people know exactly what new york values are. >> you're from new york so you might not. >> we rebuilt downtown manhattan and. everybody in the world watched and loved new york and love new yorkers. i have to tell you that was a very insulting statement. >> as is everybody else on this stage. i would suggest we focus on who's best prepared to be commander-in-chief because that's the most important
question. >> everybody on the stage is better than hillary clinton. at the end of the day we need to unite behind the winner to defeat hillary clinton because she's a disaster. >> we don't need a weak person being president of the united states. we don't need that. >> the crowd was very into it. joining me to discuss all of this is political commentator michael smerconish and chief political analyst gloria borger. thank you so much for coming on. there were some real fiery moments at last night's debate, especially between trump and cruz. gloria, observers are saying this is the best debate performance from both donald trump and ted cruz. do you agree with that? >> i think it was the best debate performance for donald trump. i'm not so sure about ted cruz. ted cruz was taking incoming on the birth issue. i don't think he put that to
rest. he got off a couple good lines making it clear that donald trump once thought his birth was not an issue and now that he's gone up to the polls donald trump suddenly thinks it's an issue r. i think cruz did not do well on the new york values answer. he got booed from the audience there and i think he turned trump into a sympathetic figure. here's ted cruz whose wife used to be employed by goldman sachs, which last time i checked was a new york base investment firm. so what are new york values in their family? >> it's interest. ing too because he actually clapped when trump came back after him. and said i have seen what values are after 9/11. he clapped. and talking about the birther issue, michael, speaking of not putting that issue to rest. new york mayor bill de blasio just said he thinks the supreme court should weigh in on what
natural born means. let's take a listen. >> i think we do need an answer. to get this whole issue off the plate of american political life, it plague d o obama for years unfairly. but i think a single definition by the supreme court would be helpful. because the constitution is somewhat vague. >> so if cruz's debate performance didn't put this issue to rest, what will? >> i would be curious to know. there's no way to know would de blasio made that statement today but for cruz's comments about the big apple in the debate last night. my hunch is he probably would not have concerned himself with it but takes um bridge at what ted cruz said about new york values. i agree with gloria. ted cruz did not put had this to bed, but i don't think there's anything he could do to put it to bed. i really don't mean the legal aspect. i mean the political aspect. i don't think donald trump is seeking to have ted cruz knocked off the ballot on this basis. i don't think that's possible.
but he has been successful for the last two and a half weeks now of controlling the news cycle and forcing ted cruz on the defensive. so he's been very effective in that regard and you look at the poll numbers in iowa, you can't help but notice that they have narrowed since donald trump brought this up. so i would say it's a a very effective political strategy. i don't think it's a legal strategy in the final thing i'll say is nothing stops donald trump from seeking a declaratory action himself. so if he really believed this were a viable legal issue, he'd do something about it. >> that's not what he does. he just throws it out there and says, i didn't really want it. he always talks about those friends. there's a way to put it to rest and it's not going to happen, but there's a way. which is to bring it to a vote in the senate. and remember when there was some kind of an issue with john
mccain because he was born in the panama. canal zone, there was a vote in the senate. that was after mccain had been nominated, but because ted cruz doesn't have a lot of friends in the senate and because john mccain is raised questions about this in ted cruz, i don't think anybody is going to do that any time soon. >> michael, you hit a very robust reaction with hew hewitt saying the fact checking doesn't matter in. the presidential debate. hewitt said it was about a leader's or ra. what got to you specifically about that comment to get you so riled up about it? >> i think last night in watching the debate, there was a particular exchange with governor christie where he said he never written a check to planned parenthood. i myself tweeted at an individual who covered him like no one else. i said what are the facts on this. in the people were reminded that
governor crihristie absolutely d had made statements in. the past saying that he'd given his own money to planned parenthood. so in my analysis of governor christ christie's performance, i said the fact checkers have their work cut out for them. hugh's response was that fact checking doesn't matter. i'll say i sure hope he's not right. i would hate to think that truthiness does not apply to this presidential race. perhaps he's correct, but i hope that's not it. >> in these debates, everybody throws everything at everybody else, even if they know their opposition research is sort of only half true. they throw it because they know that the time you have to respond is so minuscule, so i think fact checkers have a really important job because people throw everything out there just to get it in the ether. and it's our job to check the facts. i go back to the days remember bob dole when e he said to bush
stop lying about my record, whatever it was. it's important. and if somebody is lying about your record, you ought to clarify it. and not lie about your own. >> something said last night that was interesting when senator rubio went after cruz and laid out a number of flip-flops and then the retorque from cruz was to say, well, half of those things -- >> at least half of those. what about the other half? >> i could talk with you all day about this. gloria borger and michael smerconish, thank you so much. be sure to watch michael smerconish tomorrow morning. sean penn is breaking his silence over his controversial interview with el chapo. why he says he's at risk and in the cross hairs. plus a family claiming to have won the powerball jackpot reveals it on the "today" show before telling lottery officials. i will speak with a lawyer who says this is the worst thing
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actor sean penn is breaking his silence about his secret meeting with joaquin "el chapo" guzman. e he wrote an article for "rolling stone" released the day after el chapo was captured. although they met last october, officials told reporters that this meeting was, quote, essential for locating and capturing el chapo. today penn is calling that an b absolute myth.
>> we know that the mexican government, they were clearly very humiliated by the notion that someone found him before they did. nobody found him before they did. we're not smarter than the dea or mexican intelligence. we had a contact upon which we were able to facilitate an invitation. >> do you believe the mexican government released this in part because they wanted to see you blamed and to put you at risk? >> yes. >> they wanted to encourage the cartel to put you in their cross hairs? >> yes. >> are you fearful for your life? >> no. >> i want to bring in a former dea chief of international operations and author of "deal." thanks for coming on. should sean penn be fearful for his life? >> i think that sean penn and
kate del castillo, the mexican actress, should be fearful for their lives. i'm very familiar with joaquin "el chapo" guzman. i'm familiar with the cartel that he has, which is a very violent, vicious cartel. they have been responsible for thousands of killings. and they do not forgive, they do not forget. if el chapo believes they were responsible for his capture, there will be reprisals and the one that is most vulnerable is kate del castillo, who was originally from mexico and one of the things that the cartels do if they can't get to kate del castillo, they will go after her family. >> let's talk about kate del castillo. we're getting new information in about her company. she has this brand and mexican authorities are investigating whether el chapo actually provided any funding to that business venture.
could she face legal consequences here? >> there's always that possibility but i don't know if they provided material support received economic aid from joaquin "el chapo" guzman, but i don't think that by mere virtue of the fact they went to el chapo's hideout and met with them would not lead to any judicial action or criminal action against either penn or kate del castillo. >> and penn is claim iing that this was all about sparking a national conversation about the failure of the war on drugs. let's listen to what he said about that. >> we are the consumer. whether you agree with sean penn or not, there's a complicity there. if you are in the moral right or on the far left, just as many of your children are doing these drugs. just as many. and how much time have they spent in the last week since
this article came out talking about that? 1%? >> you're saying there's not much dialogue. >> my article failed. >> so was that naive of him to think this was going to spark a national discussion on the war on drugs when he's doing this expose on the most wanted man in the world? >> it's very naive because you have to keep in mind a lot of these hollywood types live in a cocoon that does not deal with a lot of reality. the issue here was that penn and kate del castillo were interested in fame and fortune. they wanted to do a movie on el chapo that would sell heavily in many countries to include the united states and that was their motive. funding and fame. >> but i think he probably had had some motive to draw attention to this problem of the
war on drugs. i don't think it's all because he wanted fame and fortune. sean penn has enough fame and fortune as it is. do you think e he made somewhat of a fair point in saying even if el chapo is captured that the war on drugs will still continue as el chapo said had himself? or the drug problem, i should say. not the war on drugs. >> here's the issue. the capture of el chapo is a great symbolic, moral victory. but the work for the mexican government starts now because they have to attack the infrastructure of the cartel in order to make an impact. and what i mean by the infrastructure is they have to go after their assets. they have to go after the corrupt political officials that are providing the protection to the cartel and then to i don't look at it as waging a war on drugs because all drugs have an end and when it comes to drugs
it's more of a permanent campaign until we do away with the consumption that we have here in the united states. >> demand plays a big role in that. . thank you very much. >> it's my pleasure. . up next, were laws broken by elected leaders in michigan's water crisis? the state's. top lawyer launching an investigation that city and state officials ignored complaints and lied to residents about water laced with lead. i'll speak live to someone who helped break this story, up next. plus the story behind that apology video made by american sailors. find out what captors were telling them to say on camera. we'll be back.
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thank you for comingen. first off, would you call this a victory the fact that the attorney general announced this investigation? >> it certainly is welcome news. we called for an independent outside investigation back in september. and four months ago and so we believe this is long overand are happy to e see it. we should point out we have reached out to join in on our discussion. e we received a statement that says he's fully cooperating with the investigation in that statement it also said that the governor himself appointed an independent bipartisan panel to review all state, local and federal actions relate d to the water challenges. the governor is committed to protecting the health and welfare of flint residents now and sbo the future. so anything we can learn -- anything that can help us do
that more effectively is welcomed. what's your reaction to this? do you fault the governor's office in all of this? do you think the office lied? >> you know, i think that the governor needs to answer directly a direct question. was his office involved in making the decision to switch to the flint river? it's as simple as that. the other question is what research was done prior to the switch to ensure that the water was safe because mark edwards, the expert at virginia tech who played a pivotal role in bri bringing this disaster to the public, says that anybody with basic knowledge would look at the flint river for five minutes and know that the disaster that occurred was entirely predictable. so those are two questions that the governor's office does not
want to answer and they need to answer. actually, i think it's sort of mystifying why we have to wait for this panel that he appointed to produce a report for him to answer that simple question. was his office involved in making the decision to use the flint river? it's as simple as that. i don't see why he won't answer that question. >> how could officials not know about the potential dangers of going from a city river and doing this system switch? you have got to know there could be risks. >> absolutely, especially the flint river is at least five times more corrosive than the lake huron water they had been getting for 50 years. even more mind boggling is the fact that when they made that switch and used the water source that was multiple time mrs. corrosive they made a decision not to add the corrosion control chemicals that were necessary.
. they went from low corrosion water with corrosion control to high corrosion water with no corrosion control. and so there's definitely things that need to be investigated here. i believe -- we believe as an organization that people need to be put under oath because things are being said that aren't true. and there needs to be consequences if you're going to not tell the truth and being put under oath and facing perjury charges for not telling the truth is a position that people need to be put in at this point. >> you think there's a government cover up going on there? >> there's no doubt there was a cover up as early as february t they were sending e-mails to environmental quality raising questions about tests that were at one home that were showing extremely high levels of lead in their water and they started asking what kind of corrosion control are you using.
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cnn learned new information about the ten american sailors detained after baring into iranian waters. those sailors were told to, quote, act happy as their commander apologized to iran on camera. apparently he felt like he had no choice. cnn chief national security correspondent jim sciutto joins me now for more on this. what can you tell us about this, jim? >> i think two important things here. one, clearly the iranian guards who detained these american sailors stage managed the event afterwards. as they are videotaping it, they were told to act happy, look comfortable there. you saw that already in some of the images. the upsetting ones as we're
seeing there. it's not an accident that that was filmed. and also not an accident those images were broadcast widely across iran and put on the front pages of iranian newspapers. but then also they had had this other side where they see them eating. you have seen those pictures looking happy and smiling and those pictures to sort of convey the message that all was okay. e we treated them well even though we captured them. this is really clearly a propaganda moment. >> and what exactly happened? it seems like the picture is becoming more clear. how did they drift into iranian waters in the first place? >> these are based on early debriefs and still being debriefed and officials have said that. early indications are it was a combination of a navigational error and having some engine problems. they were transiting and possible they may have been trying to cut corners in terms of their course as they are coming close to the islands. as they were transiting they
came too close to iranian waters. as they are doing so, they have engine trouble particularly at the point when the iranians spotted them. so our understanding is the sailors gave thought to high tailing it out of there but because they had engine problems, they couldn't do that and they were overtaken. it does seem to be that they ended up in iranian waters and should not have. at least that's based ob on the initial reports. >> see you in a few minutes on " "the lead." marco rubio, by the way, will be president of the united states. that's what lindsey graham said as he endorsed jeb bush. you heard that right. listen to this odd statement at a rally in charleston today. >> i think marco rubio will be president of of the united states one day. i think he's one of the most gifted people i have ever met. i like him. but i wasn't ready to be president at 44. jeb has proven to me that he'll
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>> reporter: pamela, more interesting than the response was actually what he's done the rest of the day. marco rubio has concentrated attacks on two people. ted cruz and chris christie, relentlessly attacking chris christie in a town hall earlier today. it almost looks as if the endorsement in jeb bush in general are not really front and center in marco rubio's mind right now. he's moved almost entire ly to chris christie and ted cruz, possibly an indication of how he and his team view this race. >> phil, thank you very much for that. just moments ago the tennessee couple who won part of that massive powerball jackpot held a news conference with lottery officials but before they got their winnings even confirmed, they did a live national tv interview. a closer look at whether that was good legal advice. the possibility of a flare swas almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid, where to go... and how to deal with my uc.
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family walked into state lottery offices to verify their claim of a winning powerball ticket. he bought the winning ticket at a grocery store near his home in tennessee. the prize will be roughly $533 million before taxes. and here's the bizarre part. the family made a splashily appearance on live tv before they even confirmed their winning ticket with state lottery officials. i want you to watch their appearance on nbc's "today" show. >> 10:00 she's the one that checked it. she come screaming through the hallway. check these numbers. >> i checked them three times. this is for real. he's going to have a heart attack. >> i've always wanted a horse. i get a horse now. my dad always said if i win the lottery. >> i told them i don't think you
can avoid it so you might as well go to a national news outlet and let the american people know. american people love winners. >> so tennessee law requires powerball winners to come in person with the ticket and hand the state lottery offices. he did not. do that before the "today" show appearance. let's bring attorney randy cellen. if he was your client, would you have a advised him to claim his win on live television before he went to lottery offices? i keep thinking what if something happened in the airport from the way from tennessee to new york. it makes me nervous to think about. >> you could have me walk on hot coals, you could stick a needle millimeters from my eye and there is no way on god's green earth that i would have ever permitted him and his family to appear on national television. that goes down in the thing of what were you thinking? i'm sure he's a lovely man and a
confident attorney. it was interesting that he was in the background for the appearance and that's probably telling in terms of the motivation. but i would love for someone to write in, tweet, do something, put it on a napkin and mail it to me, what could have possibly been a viable legal strategy behind having a client appear on national television with a small piece of paper worth $533 million for the entire world to see. his picture, his family's picture, somebody might want to have a conversation before he collects that money and maybe give him some ideas of what to do with the money. i'm going to hold somebody hostage until you cut me a check. >> do you have -- is it more he did it before they had actually went to verify the ticket with the lottery or the fact in general they went on live television? >> certainly, an excuse could be offered that they were going to go. public with it any way because
there's only a handful of states in the country that allow you to remain private. most states we're beginning to give you $533 million, you know what? you're going to do lots of publicity for us. that's what most states require. the point is so wait until the last minute, put everything in place, sneak in to the lottery officials, do what you have to do and then disappear. you don't -- there was no point to front the issue. you usually front the issue when there's bad news. you want to get ahead of bad news and put your own spin on it. there was nothing bad about winning $533 million. keep your head down, keep your mouth shut, do what you have to do legally with lottery officials and disappear for awhile. you're going to have friends you didn't know existed. you're going to have all kinds of people saying, don't you remember me from when? why in god's name would you put yourself in a position of being harmed and certainly being
attacked, just the whole world descending on you for a piece of your pie. >> you can't ignore the fact the lawyer was standing behind him in the interview. they sent a copy of their ticket o to nbc news. they did a background check and worked to independently verify their ticket as the winner. does that matter in a legal sense? >> it doesn't matter at all. that was probably more to protect the show from any embarrassment. lord only knows can you imagine when that would have been like if somebody decided, you know what, i really want to be on television so i'll tell them that i have the winning ticket and then you go in there and get your couple minutes of fame for. the world to see and it turns out it was a hoax. so from a legal perspective, the only person that matters is that state lottery official to verify, son, your life is about >> there were several hoaxes along the way, but this seems
legitimate. and no way you cut it congrats to the robinson family, they are millionaires now regardless of how this played out. randy zelin, thank you very much. >> thank you. up next, a minnesota viking fans threw their kicker under the bus after he missed a game winning kick in the playoffs, so a group of first graders wrote letters to cheer him up. and he responded by saying thank you in person. i'll speak with the teacher who came up with the lesson on empathy live from her classroom right after this break. you both have a
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the seattle seahawks face the carolina panthers this sunday in the nfl playoffs, but the seahawks wouldn't have made it this far if it hadn't been for the bad luck of the minnesota vikings. their kicker, blair walsh, missed a 27-yard field goal last week ending their hopes of a super bowl title. as the insults started flying
from upset viking fans, one first grade teacher in minnesota saw this as a chance to teach her students a lesson in empathy. so she asked them to write letters to walsh. >> dear blair, i feel bad for you. >> you are so good at football. >> keep on trying. we love you so much. >> i know you can do it. you can win the game. >> you are the best. and maybe you need to practice. love cody. >> absolutely adorable. local story about those letters went viral and walsh was so touched he decided to pay a visit. >> thank you very much for all the letters you wrote and the cards. very, very touching to me. it says a lot about you guys that you were willing to do that and to say such nice things. that cheered me up a lot. and the fact you guys would do that for me, somebody you never met, somebody you don't know, that's huge.
and it can help in certain times like these. >> all right. so joining us now live from her classroom in blaine, minnesota, is first grade teach eer judy afferdal. students very hard at work in the background. first off, what inspired you to do this and make this a lesson of empathy for your students? >> well, we had been talking about empathy all year. it's something that we focus on. and on friday we had football friday. and a lot of my students are vikings fans. and when i saw blair miss that field goal, i knew that not only would he feel horrible but the kids would just be crushed. and i just thought we've been writing letters, we've been talking about empathy, what a great teachable moment right now to put in to effect our target of when someone is hurting you can make a difference. >> absolutely. and also that, you know,
mistakes happen. we all make mistakes in life. what was your reaction when you heard that blair walsh would be coming in to thank the kids in person? what was it like for you and for them? >> well, i was just overly excited for them. it was not anything that we even expected. we just really wanted him to get the letters and know that we had written things that might make him feel better and let him know that we had support. so when we learned that he was coming and then found out he made an exception to change his plans around, just so he could visit us, it was definitely phenomenal. >> well, we saw a little clip there, but tell us what he was like. you know, after going through this experience and not making the field goal and then he comes in and talk to your students, what was he like? >> he just seems like such a great guy, just very genuine and everything that he does it seems
like he's just a great role model for kids. one thing that we really took to heart was the fact that he did say, you know, i'm accountable for what i'm doing. and this is what i'm going to do to make it better. i'm going to work and persist. and this is a defining -- this is not a defining moment for me. it's something that i know that i'm going to work past. and i think that's such a great lesson for kids also. >> yeah, sometimes out of failure comes success. so in this case do you think the lesson worked? do you think your students have a better understanding of what empathy is? >> oh, most definitely. i think that they do such a great job of that anyway. kids in my opinion are just just inherently kind. and when you give them opportunities to show their kindness, they really step up to the plate. definitely i think this is an experience that will last and
they will take with them. >> we could all learn from those kids. i just want them to wave if they can hear me. hi, kids, before we have to go. i don't know if they can. wave to the camera. all right, guys. we actually have to go. but, judy, i really appreciate you talking with us. thank you so much. and i'll see you later. that does it for me. "the lead" with jim sciutto starts right now. is this heaven? no, it's iowa, where i just sat down with donald trump. "the lead" starts right now. opening a rift as wide as niagra falls, the gloves come off between new york's donald trump and canadian born ted cruz. i'll ask the gop front runner whether he came out of last night's debate even more powerful. they were told to act happy, brand new potentially aggravating details on the capture of ten u.s. sailors and
the making of an iranian propaganda video that followed. it turns out everything wasn't as hunky-dori as it seemed. plus, the sean penn interview about his interview with a sociopath drug lord on the run. why he says it was not about himself at all. this is cnn breaking news. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper coming to you from iowa where i just sat down with republican presidential front-runner donald trump. we'll bring you some of that interview in just a second, but first, some breaking news. another brutal day on wall street. let's go right to cnn's alison kosik in new york who has all the latest. alison. >> jake, on a very busy trading floor here at the new york stock exchange we've just heard the closing bell ring and stocks got crushed today. no doubt fear is ruling wall street these days. during today's session we saw the dow and the s&p 500 fall below levels that