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good monday morning. i'm pamela brown in for carol costello. thank you for joining me. we're two weeks away from voters in iowa casting the first votes in the 2016 election. for candidates on both sides of the aisle, the time to close the deal with voters is now. democratic field stepping on to the debate stage last night in a south carolina clash that saw hillary clinton and bernie sanders spar over guns, health care and wall street. bernie said clinton's attacks can be based on one thing, his recent surge in the polls. >> as secretary clinton well
knows, when this campaign began, she was 50 points ahead of me. in iowa, new hampshire, the race is very, very close. >> while a new cnn poll suggests sanders' claim, showing a time wi where he's tied with clinton, clinton still holds a national lead. bill has all the highlights. >> good morning. a closing argument of sorts last night for the three democratic candidates. last night's debate, the last before voters will caucus in iowa or vote in new hampshire. the early states on the democratic calendar. if you thought the compressed calendar was going to change the tone, you were right. >> reporter: the gloves -- >> i think secretary clinton knows what she says is very disingenuous. >> reporter: -- are off. >> i'm not sure whether we're talking about the plan you just bro deuce e
introduced tonight or the one you introduced nine times in the congress. >> reporter: hillary clinton and bernie sanders putting an exclamation point on a week of sharp sparring. >> let me give you an example of how corrupt -- >> reporter: clinton unwilling to mention sanders' name at one point, targeting the senator's record on guns and how he'll pay for his health care plan. >> i made it clear, based on senator sanders' record, that he has voted with the nra numerous times. >> reporter: sanders moving to blunt both criticisms. >> her campaign said bernie sanders, who fought for universal health care my entire life, he wants to end medicare, end medicaid, end the children's health insurance program. that is nonsense. >> reporter: shifting on guns a day before the debate. >> i said i would relook at it. we are going to relook at it, and i will support stronger provisions. >> reporter: releasing his single payer health care plan just hours before taking the
stage. clinton criticizing sanders for the taxes required to pay for the proposal. and its shift away from president obama's signature achievement. >> there are things we can do to improve it, but to tear it up and start over again, pushing our country back into that kind of a contentious debate, i think, is the wrong direction. >> we're not going to tear up the affordable care act. i helped write it. but we are going to move on top of that to a medical for all system. more in taxes, do away with private premiums. it's a good deal. >> reporter: sanders on offense against clinton's corporate ties. >> you received over $600,000 in speaking fees from goldman sachs in one year. >> reporter: clinton defending not just her stance on wall street reform, but president obama's, as well. >> but he's criticized, president obama, for taking donations from wall street. and president obama has led our
country out of the great recession. president obama's work to push through the dodd frank -- the dodd frank bill and then to sign it was one of the most important regulatory schemes we've had since the 1930s. so i'm going to defend dodd frank and i'm going to defend president obama. >> reporter: sanders deafly turning a question on bill clinton's personal life into one of his best moments of the night. >> yes, his behavior was deplorable. have i once said a word about that issue? no. i'm going to debate secretary clinton and governor o'malley on the issues facing the american people. not bill clinton's pearsonal life. >> pamela, one of the more interesting elements of the night, bernie sanders rattling off a series of good poll numbers, almost coming across down right trumpian, but underscoring the urgency of the moment. for sanders, it's trying to
prove that the movement that he has more or less started and created can be turned into votes to win in a general election. for clinton, trying to halt the poll numbers that have been evaporating in iowa. two weeks before voters go to the polls, caucus in iowa. this is going to be more intense. both sides ramping up attacks over the next 14 days. >> the gloves are off. phil, thank you so much. while hillary clinton and bernie sanders took turns swiping at one another, how will it play among voters? here to discuss is democratic strike that y strategist john and the director of the accountability project. thank you both for coming on. chris, you hosted this group of 30 undecided democrats. what did they tell you at the start of the debate and what were their thoughts after it ended? >> well, before the debate started, they clearly thought that secretary clinton was going
to win the debate. in what you saw really from the opening statement was sanders message becoming very powerful. there's been the consistent pattern. we've done the focus groups in iowa and icroacross the country. particularly in iowa, contrasting with south carolina, secretary clinton clearly has this electability advantage, but sanders' message, his populous message, critiques of wall street, resonated strongly with the group. he won the group overwhelmingly. again and again, the only bright spot for secretary clinton is when she was talking foreign policy. the attacks she made on senator sanders, they fell flat but actually gave senator sanders the opportunity to reinforce his message. does it mean he's going to win south carolina? no, i don't think so. i don't think you can answer that question yet. but it gives him an opening if we can win iowa and new hampshire and gets his message out here, he could potentially
move the undecideds. how many are there? >> can you tell us what this group, who was in it? we know per bernie sanders, hi message has been resonating with younger people. were there younger people in the group? >> it was pretty mixed demographically. we had 30 folks, all undecided, likely south carolina voters. all democrats. 14 african-americans. he was resonating with some of the young people, but the part i will tell you i found most surprising, because everyone talks about the built-in advantage that secretary clinton has with african-americans, if you look at the polls, it's clearly the care, especially in south carolina. but senator sanders' message clearly moved them. did it move to the point where they were 100% going to vote for him? not yet. but it opened the door. the question becomes, if you can win iowa and then new hampshire,
is he able to get his message out and connect with them? my guess is what the sanders campaign is going to do is they'll probably go big media wise, to try to get his message out, but he has an opening. i don't know if he can exploit it. it's still too early to tell. but it was pretty surprising, at least to me, that he was able to make these kind of in roads and get this positive reaction from a very different group than in iowa. >> okay. now, you look at hillary clinton and her strategy last night. what i think stuck out to observers is she really clung to president obama's legacy. let's take a listen to her remarks. >> we have the affordable care act. that is one of the greatest accomplishments of president obama, of the democratic party and of our country. president obama has led our country out of the great recession. senator sanders called him weak, disappointing. he even, in 2011, publicly
sought someone to run in a primary against president obama. i'm very proud of the iran nuclear agreement. i was very pleased to be part of what the president put into action. >> clinton publicly distanced herself from the president on several issues last year. a lot of people remember that. then they see this, as part of an about face. do you think this will work to win over the obama coalition? >> i think that was her strategy. this is a debate, even though it was a national audience and they were focus groups, and the pundits are all talking, this debate was focused on not just south carolina but the african-american community in south carolina which, obviously, president obama is tremendously popular in the democrat iic par. but she's relying on south carolina to win. if she doesn't get iowa and if she doesn't win new hampshire, or one of those, she needs, as chris said, south carolina to
win. all of her messaging was about putting bernie sanders on the defensive. aligning him with the nra on gun control issues. aligning him with the republicans on being an idealist for single payer health care system. whether it worked is questionable. i think that she wanted to make him look inconsistent, which is part of his strategy. he's very consistent person. he's had the same message for 25 years. by making him look inconsistent, she wanted to align him with the other side. the problem is, he's so strong a message, that he spun, naturally spun, not the sophisticated, contrived spinning, he naturally spun everything back to income inequality, wall street reform. he tied everybylobbyist. i don't think she did it effectively. she needs to rely on the african-american community to win south carolina, and bernie sanders is showing ining momen south carolina with ground
support there. she's going to double down on this message the next few weeks. >> what stuck out about this debate is the candidates focused more on each other and not the gop candidates. thank you so much for sharing that perfective. we appreciate it. happening right now, security operation is underway to rescue three americans who have gone missing in iraq. that's according to iraqi officials who were urgently trying to locate the men who were abducted by gunmen in baghdad, southeastern dora neighborhood. nick waitpaton walsh is live in beirut with the latest. nick? >> minimum information coming out of u.s. officials at this urgently dangerous and sensitive part of somebody being abducted. the first 48 hours are critical. we know three individuals, two iraqi americans, dual nationality, and one fully pledged american citizen, were in the dora neighborhood of southeastern baghdad on friday afternoon. in what iraqi security officials
refer to as, quote, a suspicious apartment. make of that what you will. but from that apartment, they were taken by unidentified armed men and taken away there a convoy. days passed since then. news emerging late last night. we don't know more about these people, besides they're said to be contractors. it could be anything from security to assisting with communications or water systems. we do know there's urgent steps being taken by iraqi security officials to try to seal off an area in that part of dora in baghdad. search is happening in that area now. interesting note, pam, the timing of this. they were abducted almost exactly the same time as you began to think the iranian nuclear deal would finally be implemented. a lot of the militia that control that part of baghdad have loyalties to iran. speculati speculation, but geopolitically,
maybe something more is at play, other than american citizens caught in perhaps the wrong neighborhood and picked up by criminal elements. unclear what's happening but urgent efforts taken by iraqi security forces and american officials to get these people back to safety now, pam. >> we hope they are brought back to safety. nick paton walsh, thank you for that. still to come on this monday morning, one step closer to home and in, quote, good spirits. the brother of freed american journalist jason rezaian speaks to cnn and gives the world the first glimpse of how his brother is doing now that he's out of iranian prison. >> he seems in good spirits. he's together. he's really -- can't wait to get out and see people. >> up next, the first thing jason rezaian asked for after his dramatic release. we'll be right back. weyoung company around but if we want to keep the soda pop flowing we need fresh ideas! >>got it. we slow, we die. >>what about cashing out? no! i'm trying to build something here. >>how about using fedex ground for shipping?
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we're getting new information just into cnn on the release of the ten u.s. sailors by iran five days ago. we're getting a timeline of what happened to the sailors while in iranian custody. barbara starr is live at the pentagon. >> good morning. a full investigation by the navy is underwa. they did release a statement, giving a preliminary assessment, timeline if you will, of what happened. a few new details about this. as we saw the video of the sailors on their knees, hands behind their heads, we now know that they were surrounded at that point by four armed arheirn boats. four boats came out from iran and surrounded them. those boats were armed. the iranians were armed. they boarded the navy boats but,
yet, maintained armed overwatch, if you will, with mounted machine guns, before escorting them into shore to iran's farsi island. we know there was what the navy is calling, what the central command is calling, a verbal exchange. no shots fired but a verbal exchange between the u.s. sailors and the iranians. few details about that. perhaps speaking in not so pleasant a tone back and forth, if you will. all of the u.s. equipment, all the military gear, the boats, the guns, the ammo, all of it was returned to the united states, the statement says, except, interestingly, for one detail. two sim cards for satellite phones were kept by the iranians. whether that poses a security threat or not is not clear, perhaps only if it involved encrypted communications and we don't know the answer to that yet. more details about all of this and the sailors continuing to
get debriefed and trying to explain exactly why they decided to change course when they were at sea. a course that took them into iranian waters. >> that's still a big question. barbara starr, thank you so much. this new information coming as three of the four americans were freed in a historic prisoner swap with iran, including "washington post" reporter jason rezaian. they're all undergoing medical che checkups at an american medical hospital in germany. this exchange part of a ground breaking deal 14 months in the making. cnn just spoke to the brother of jason rezaian. >> he seems in good spirits. he's, you know, together. he's really -- can't wait to get out there and see people, meet people. now, he has to focus on getting himself better and getting out there. the first thing he asked for was some information. he feels like he's been starved of information for the last 18 months. having to live off of the iranian state tv and getting news from there isn't where you want to be as a reporter.
he wants to see what's going on in the world. i think he was surprised and shocked at the amount of attention this was getting. >> according to an internal memo from the "washington post," jason rezaian tells staffers he's, quote, a hell of a lot better than he was 48 hours ago. this as the u.s. gives iran new sanctions. we're joined by joe jones and fred pleitgen from germany. fred, you're near the hospital where these newly freed prisoners are being treated. what's the latest there? >> well, this medical center, pam, is america's biggest hospital outside of the u.s. it's a world class facility. it's interesting because, of course, with these three americans who have come here, what they're doing is taking things very slowly. it's interesting because ali rezaian said he hasn't been able to see jason face-to-face yet
because they want to let them take their time. they don't want the process to happen too quickly. that, of course, also shows some of the psychological trauma these three men face and that they've been through over the past years, some of them. the detention facility they were in is known to be very hard. it's notorious, even by iranian standards. certainly, there was a lot of concerns about jason rezaian's health while he was in there. his blood pressure but also the fact he was in solitary confinement for a long time. one of the things the "washington post" says was he was in there for such a long time, he apparently told them afterwards that it was the toughest thing to deal with, being alone there and being isolated. if you look, for instance, at amir hekmati, he was in detention more than four years. there are pretty big concerns as far as the men's health is concerned. nevertheless, of course, as quickly as possible, they want to get them together with their loved ones again. we saw ali rezaian is here.
other family members of the other men are here, as well, waiting to be able to speak to them again, to embrace them again. it's a high priority, and you can imagine that the mood inside the medical facility where the men are is one that is very, very good, after the men have finally been released after a long time in custody, pam. >> i imagine emotions are running high. there was a delay before the americans took off, is that right? what happened there? >> yup. absolutely bizarre twist of events, where what happened was, it was announced the men had been released late on saturday. they were supposed to take a flight out of tehran, which was a swiss government flight. the swiss were the intermediaries. then the flight simply didn't take off. it took almost a day for the flight to finally take off. apparently, what happened was that the name of jason rezaian's wife and his mother were not on the flight manifest. this was something where people at the airport, some of the iranians, customs officials,
were causing trouble and said the people couldn't leave. it took a phone call from secretary of state kerry to foreign minister zarif, saying, listen, we have a deal and you have to stick to a deal. at that point, zarif sent four of his aides to the airport and they finally took off. from tehran to geneva and finally to here. you can imagine how happy they are to finally be getting the medical treatment and being close to seeing their loved ones again. >> so close. i want to get the sense of what the reaction has been from the obama administration. and whether the sanctions that was imposed a day after the prisoner swap, what went into play with that? did the prisoner swap at the timing of that have anything to do with the sanctions on the 11 iranian individuals? >> there's been some suggestion of that, quite frankly. we do know that the united states did not announce those sanctions until after the americans had cleared iranian
air space. it certainly appears there was some type of linkage there. we're also getting detail this morning, pamela, about everything that led up to the release of the american prisoners. also the nuclear deal that was announced over the weekend. pretty clear that, as barbara starr reported, the problem with the united states sailors actually being held by iran on the same day as the president of the united states' state of the union address, threatened to cause a big crinkle. secretary of state john kerry on cnn this morning, talking about his reaction to seeing the pictures of the sailors on the ground, on their knees, with their hands behind their heads. listen. >> i was very angry. i was very, very frustrated and angry it was released. i raised it immediately with the iranians. >> did you send a message that said, if you don't release the
sailors, all bets are off, with the implementation of the nuclear deal? >> i'm not going to discuss what i said or didn't say, but suffice it to say, i made it crystal clear how serious this was. it was imperative to get it resolved. >> the secretary of state has also said that he thought some months ago he had a deal to release those americans who finally got away over the weekend, but apparently, that deal fell through. partly because they couldn't agree on the list of prisoners to swap from iran. pamela? >> long time in the making. joe jones and fred pleitgen, thank you. my next guest is an iranian american journalist who spent 101 days in the same iranian prison as jason rezaian. r roxanna was arrested working on a book about iran and sentenced eight years for espionage. her charge and sentence were
later reduced and she joins me for more. thank you for coming on to share your experience with us. it is hard to imagine what these americans must be going through. walk us through what it's like to realize you are free. what goes through your mind? >> pamela, you don't really accept or understand that you're free until you land in another country, outside of iran, and then you think, well, they can't take me back now. i really am free. i understood what ali rezaian was saying about his brother. that his brother was starved for information because he had been relying on iranian state-run tv in his cell for information. i just wanted to read everything i could about what was being said about me. it was surreal to see so much media coverage about me when i was out of prison. and also, i wanted to thank people, just like jason rezaian wanted to thank his colleagues at the "washington post." you realize so many people spoke out for you, and it's very humbling. >> it was quite an effort. you were actually in the same prison as jason rezaian, at a different time.
this is a prison that is notorious for its tough treatment of prisoners. how were you treated while you were there? >> well, some prisoners do experience physical torture. i did not. but there is something called white torture, which doesn't leave a mark on your pod adbody. it's a combination of being put in isolation, like these prisoners were for lengthy periods. you're cut off from the world, threatened by your captors, maybe forced to make a false confession. these are aimed at robbing you of dignity and making you feel helpless. there can be lasting effects from that. >> one of the prisoners stayed behind in iran after being released from the prison. what is your reaction to that, and would you ever return to iran? >> i guess it's everybody's personal choice, if they want to stay. i suppose he may have had family
there. i don't know if it'll put him at greater danger in the future, if he'll be monitored by the iranian authorities. that is a person's personal decision. i hope i can return to iran. i love the country. the iranian people were great to me. i don't think now is a great time, especially when i came out, i spoke out for the political prisoners i left behind. >> thank you again for coming on and sharing your perspective and experience with us. interesting. >> thanks for having me. up next, an alleged plan to kill a police officer in ohio. what the suspect's girlfriend is saying about the shooting. i've been called a control freak... i like to think of myself as more of a control... enthusiast. mmm, a perfect 177-degrees. and that's why this road warrior rents from national. i can bypass the counter and go straight to my car. and i don't have to talk to any humans, unless i want to. and i don't.
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a police officer is shot and killed in ohio overnight. officer tom cottrell was shot near the police building. it happened after a woman called 911, saying officers were in danger because her boyfriend was out to kill an officer. what a disturbing story. >> objectively, this is chilling. let's look at the timeline. 11:20 last night, that's when the knox county sheriff's department got a call. 911 emergency line. saying, my ex-boyfriend just left. he's got weapons on him, and he says he wants to kill a police officer. dispatch tried to get the word out, but they say they were unsuccessful. less than 30 minutes later, behind the municipal building, there was the lifeless body of police officer thomas cottrell.
he was there at the same point they realized his revolver had been taken and patrol car had been taken. at 1:36 a.m., they were able arrest herschel jones. he is now in custody. that's what we know at this point. now, we know it's a very small town. i looked at the statistics from the police department. last year, they had about 1,0 1,000 911 calls. the major reason, disturbance. they had about 100 arrests last year. the number one reason, unruly juveni juveniles. not one homicide. ohio, they have the death penalty. >> i'm sure that town is shaken this morning. thank you. next hour, donald trump will make his 2016 pitch directly to evangelicals. this morning, take a look, we'll show you live pictures from the campus of liberty university in virginia. that's a popular and critical stop for republicans looking to boost their support among
conservatives. trump's appearance comes as his chief rival, ted cruz, launches a bus tour of new hampshire. right now, he is speaking in a diner. his goal, to hit all ten counties in the state by week's end. all of it as a new cnn poll shows cnn with a double digit national lead, while cruz edges out trump by two points in iowa. certainly, neck and neck there. cnn is covering all angles of this busy political landscape. jim acosta is with donald trump and we're also with the ted cruz campaign. we'll start with jim acosta. >> hi, pam, good morning. yes, donald trump and ted cruz, they are neck and neck in iowa. we're only two weeks away from the iowa caucuses. it's no surprise the two top republicans in the state are going at each other. donald trump is going after a key voting block that had been
supporting ted cruz, christian conservatives. that's why you'll see donald trump at liberty university, trying to woo evangelical voters. donald trump's attempt to go after evangelicals, him and cruz have been in this battle as of late, going at each other tooth and nail on the talk shows and the campaign trail. here's what donald trump had to say about ted cruz on the sunday talk shows yesterday. he didn't hold back. here's what he had to say. >> look, the truth is, he's a nasty guy. he was so nice to me. i knew it. i was watching. i kept saying, ted, let's go. he's a nasty guy. nobody likes him. nobody in congress likes him. nobody likes him anywhere once they get to know him. he's a very -- he's got an edge that's not good. you can't make deals with people like that, and it's not a good thing. not a good thing for the country. very nasty guy. >> there you go, donald trump with the gloves off, going after
ted cruz. here at liberty university, he's going to be speaking to this crowd of evangelicals. keep in mind, liberty was founded by christian conservatives. they'll be listening to donald trump's words carefully. if you look at the setting behind me, it almost looks like a christian rock concert that has been set up for the billionaire tycoon. you can see on stage, there are instruments. presumably, it'll be played by somebody while he's up there. as well as a pulpit looking lectern. donald trump will be delivering sort of a political sermon, you might say, here to this crowd. i can tell you right now, pam, looking at the audience, it is just about packed in here. this basketball arena for liberty university is almost entirely full at this point. this is not the only stop for donald trump as he appeals to christian conservatives. he'll be in oklahoma later on wednesday. this is something donald trump appears to be doing all week, to go after a key base of support for ted cruz, his rival in the
caucuses right now. >> we'll be bringing that event live on this show. now to the cruz campaign. a super pac that supports cruz is releasing a new ad aiming at trump. what can you tell us about that? >> pam, this is so remarkable because this is something that you just wouldn't see one week ago. the candidate, his super pac and his campaign, really want to launch a well focused strategy, honing in on donald trump. this new ad that's going to be airing in early states stringing together all of these things that donald trump has said over the years about ted cruz, praising him over
the years. using his own words, in essence, against him. here's a small bit of that ad. >> one of the reasons that i like ted cruz so much is that he's not controversial. [ laughter ] the truth is, he shouldn't be
because what he's doing is right. >> ted cruz today in new hampshire launching into his bus tour. he's inside this diner now. he arrived a few minutes ago. you can see his campaign bus. he'll go to all ten counties in new hampshire over the next few days. certainly, this dynamic that is playing out right now between donald trump and ted cruz is dictating a lot of the message, a lot of the rhetoric. the cruz campaign doesn't mind it. they think it's the state they need to be in to draw the
distinctions with donald trump. >> let's listen in as ted cruz speaks at this diner. >> -- destroy isis. [ applause ] in the days that follow, we'll take on the epa. and the alphabet soup of federal
agencies that descend like locusts on small businesses, killing jobs all across this country. a few years back, i was out in west texas. i asked folks there, i said, what's the difference between regulators and locusts? i said, well, the thing is, you can't use pesticides on the regulators. this old west texas farmer leaned back and said, wanna bet? and in the days that follow , i will go to congress and we will pass fundamental tax reform. we will pass a simple -- >> ted cruz speaking at a diner in new hampshire. it's part of a tour. he's going to go to ten counties in new hampshire leading up to the iowa caucuses in a couple of weeks. thank you both so much for your reporting. still to come right here in the newsroom, we're joined by
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the sanctions are lifted and iran says, get ready for its oil to start flowing into the market. that could push the rock bottom cost for a barrel everyone ln l than the current price of $29. cheaper oil means cheaper gas. prices now are already at $1.50 in some areas. of course, it's good news for your wallet, but bad for small oil companies who might go bust. let's break it down with cnn's chief business correspondent
christine romans. we saw this playing out on the market on friday. >> that's right. the big concern here is, yes, there will be small oil producers that go bust. some have, quite frankly. also the big banks, they finance expansion, finance projects in the oil patch. they're watching as there is distress in the loans. watching carefully to see if what is good for your bill when you fill up at the pump is very bad for the financial system. so far, it looks at if everything is going exactly as people thought. crude oil crash, boom, just like that, that's what it looks like since january 2014. really tough. that means now with iran coming on, pamela, there are forecasts of $20 a barrel. $16 a barrel. even standard charter says $10 a barrel. if you got down to that worst case scenario of $10, you get concerned about what it will mean for somebody doing business with the oil market, not just oil. for you, it means lower gas prices. this has been acting as pretty
much a stimulus for consumers. look at this. below $1.90 a gallon for the first time since the financial crisis. look at where some of the lowest prices for gas. $1.60 in oklahoma. $1.63 in missouri. alabama, $1.66. $ $1.67 in arkansas. we've seen competition in some states where people are trying to be the lowest on the block to get customer traffic. quite frankly, one of my sources says you can see closer to $1 if you see oil prices continue to decline. >> unbelievable. christine romans, thank you for that report. checking our top stories on this monday. at least 29 people are now dead, including an american in a series of attacks in burkina faso. gunmen stormed a luxury hotel and took more than 100 people
hostage before security forces stormed in. among the dead, a 9-year-old girl. and an american who went to the country to work in an orphanage. a dramatic rescue in the gulf of mexico over the weekend. the coast guard reaching two people after their boat drifted into storms west of the florida keys. their boat started taking on water after the sail was torn and the side was cracked. as you can see, the coast guard helicopter came in and the crew pulled boaters to safety. thank goodness. spacex tries again to reuse a rocket and almost, almost makes it. then it topples over and explodes. that landing pad is actually a barge flowing in the pacific ocean. spacex founder said reusing rockets could save millions of dollars and cut the cost of space travel. the rocket accomplished its main mission, putting a satellite into low orbit. watch this close call. have you seen this?
a crash, toyota camera, slams into a service station in australia, and narrowly misses the woman you saw walking in the store. glass and bottles went flying. no one else in the store was hurt. the three men in the car are being checked out at the hospital. no word yet on what caused them to smash the store front. unbelievab unbelievably, this woman right there, she was able to get up and walk away from the scene. still to come in the use room, an e-mail threatens to derail the criminal case against bill cosby. why the prosecution may have just lost a key piece of evidence. that's next.
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that agreement, to not use cosby's 2005 civil deposition in criminal matters, but the deposition is now a key piece of evidence in reopening andrea constand's case. with me to discuss is attorney and legal analyst, ariba martin. the agreement is described as a, quote, verbal agreement. will this stand? >> well, you know, i think the problem with this case is you have this former district attorney making this agreement and inducing bill cosby to forgo his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination, give testimony in the civil case, and now you try to use that testimony against him to prosecute him, and that's going to be a problem. an agreement by a prosecutor should be enforceable even though someone new is sitting in that seat, and i think that's what this judge is going to have to decide. is it fair, is it just to allow that deposition to be used against cosby and can he get a
fair trial if it is used? >> that is the big question. i want to read a portion of the e-mail from the former d.a. it says i can see no possibility that cosby's deposition could be used in a state criminal case because i would have to testify as to what happened, and the deposition would be subject to suppression. i cannot believe any state court judge would allow that deposition into evidence. unless you can make out a case without that deposition and without anything the deposition led you to, i think cosby would have been action against the county and maybe even against you personally. so this begs the question, this e-mail was sent three months before the new d.a. filed charges. why would she still use it as a backbone to constand's case? >> that's the troubling part about this whole prosecution. we know that the current d.a. ran his whole campaign on the promise that he would prosecute bill cosby. we know that the former d.a. passed on this case.
he said there wasn't enough evidence to get a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. we know that nothing really has changed. there were women available at the time that the former d.a. looked at this case who came forward who said they had had similar encounters with bill cosby, so it's really troubling and it looks like this d.a. is using his own political ambitions to go after bill cosby, and that's not what the criminal justice system should be about. d.a.s should not be purduing their own political ambitions and playing with the freedom of any individual and despite what you think about bill cosby personally, this is bigger than bill cosby. this is really about integrity and transparency in the criminal justice system and individuals and citizens being able to have confidence that if a public official makes a promise, that promise will be upheld. >> and just quickly, do you think this case against cosby is strong enough without that deposition? >> i think the case falls apart
without that deposition. if you don't have cosby's own words talking about getting prescription drugs and using it to induce women to have sex, i don't think the prosecutor has a very strong case. you don't have a current complaint made by constand. she didn't go to the police. she didn't go to the hospital. you don't have any test of the drugs that were in her system. you have all of this time, over a decade that has elapsed, so it's going to be very difficult for this prosecutor to make a case against bill cosby without using his own words, and to use his own words in that deposition will be fundamentally unfair given the promise of that former district attorney. >> something a judge will have to decide ap. still to come, when a coin toss is not a coin flip and that's not the craziest part of this nfl playoff weekend. coy wire will explain. that's next. stay with us. ♪
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let's talk about sports now. it is a match made for television heaven. does that even work? peyton manning, tom brady both going to the afc championship game once again with the winner going to super bowl l. coy wire joins me now. what a wild weekend of football. >> absolutely. this weekend had a lot of crazy action. the patriots and cardinals punched their tickets to the conference championship games on saturday, and then the panthers and broncos did so yesterday. peyton manning was back from a foot injury, getting the start for the broncos but this was about the bronco's defense. fourth quarter, steelers up one, roby knocks the ball loose. broncos recover and then manning wastes no time. third and long, he finds bennie fowler for the huge gain. this would set up the go-ahead
touchdown by c.j. anderson. he'd punch it in just from a couple yards out there. that's the 55th game-winning drive of peyton manning's career. broncos win 23-16. that, pam, sets up brady versus manning, round 17. that's next sunday in the afc title game. brady has dominated their match-ups. he's won 11 of the 16 times they've played, but they're 2-2 in playoff action, and peyton has gotten the best of brady in the last two. we'll see how it turns out. now, the panthers, they came out fired up against the seahawks to earn their spot in the nfc championship game. the offensive scored in less than three minutes, and then the seahawks' possession on the first drive, he gets picked off by luke kuechly. russell wilson not happy about that. the panthers would score 31 points in the first half. just dominant. but the seahawks kept fighting. they came out in the second half, scored 24 straight points, put them within one score.
had a chance for this onside kick, but thomas davis comes up with it. panthers win, 31-24. and we have to show you the wackiness that was from the packers/cardinals game saturday. fourth quarter, time running out on the clock. aaron rodgers has no choice, throws the hail mary deep into the end zone. jeff janis with the amazing catch that would send it into overtime. that's where a coin toss, it gets a little crazy. ref throws it in the air, but the coin never flips. never seen this before. watch it again. the cards can't believe it. they talk about it. the cards would eventually get the ball in overtime. larry fitzgerald scores for the game winner there. the cardinals now romping their way into charlotte against the panthers in the late game next sunday for the nfc title game. that is your quick highlights for nfl action. pam? >> all right. great round up there. coy wire, appreciate it. the next hour of cnn "newsroom" begins right now.
good morning to you. i'm pamela brown in for carol costello on this monday. thanks for being here with us. hillary clinton and bernie sanders are battling to succeed president obama in the white house but during last night's debate in south carolina, the two sparred over the future of one of the president's signature initiatives, the affordable care act. clinton hitting sanders hard claiming his just released health care plan would end obamacare as we know it. the vermont senator forcefully pushing back saying he only wants to modify it. >> there are things we can do to improve it, but to tear it up and start over again pushing our country back into that kind of a contentious debate i think is the wrong direction. >> no one is tearing this up. we're going to go forward. we're not going to tear up the affordable care act. i helped write it, but we are going to move on top of that to a -- >> andrea, andrea --
>> i'm joined by phil. this debate focused not just on health care but also on gun control and wall street, sflit. >> that's right, pamela. it wasn't so long ago hillary clinton wouldn't even mention bernie sanders name on the campaign trail now unloading on him on a number of attacks. the most notable on guns. this is an area the campaign believes bernie sanders is at his weakest as a rural -- a senator representing a rural state in vermont. some of his votes particularly on immunity for gun manufacturers have left him open. the campaign trying to seize on it. last night bernie sanders trying to respond. take a listen. >> well, i think secretary clinton know what is she says is very disingenuous. i have a "d" minus voting record from the nra. >> i have made it clear based on senator sanders' own record that he has voted with the nra, with the gun lobby, numerous times.
he voted against the brady bill five times. he voted for what we call the charleston loophole. he voted for immunity from gunmakers and sellers which the nra said was the most important piece of gun legislation in 20 years. >> as you can see, pamela, hillary clinton definitely has done her research on this issue as it relates to bernie sanders. the reason is this, they feel like, the campaign that is, this is an area they can reach base voters, voters they have had difficulty riling up for clinton's support. also african-american voters, this is an issue that resonates heavily with them. they are crucial to clinton maintaining a firewall, particularly in south carolina. another one of those early primary states that should bernie sanders upset clinton in iowa and take new hampshire, clinton will desperately need south carolina to hold, pamela. >> all right. phil mattingly, thank you so much for that. joining me now for some perspective on last night's debate, jennifer granholm, senior adviser to correct the record a pro hillary clinton super pac and bob cusack, editor
in chief of "the hill." thank you for coming on. jennifer, i want to start with you here. hillary clinton clearly sharpening her remarks on bernie sanders, and as phil just said, she barely even mentioned his name in the beginning of her campaign. clearly last night the strategy has changed and "the new york times" is now writing over the weekend, advisers to hillary clinton, including former president bill clinton, believe that her campaign made serious miscalculations by foregoing early attacks on senator bernie sanders of vermont and failing to undercut his arch liberal message before it grew into a political movement. so, jennifer, how do you respond to that? >> well, first of all, everybody knows that campaigns tighten up in the end, and the clinton people knew this was going to tighten up in the end no matter what. it's only now that people start to focus on these issue contrasts. previously people were just sort of starting to get to know the
candidates. now the voters start to focus and hone in. so the race has tightened, as everybody expected it would, and now they're focused on these differences between them, which are not insignificant, especially in the democratic primary. the focus on guns is really important for those who want to make sure that gun safety measures are adopted and feel like you can trust somebody who has been advocating for that for decades is really important. and the same thing goes with, you know, who can you trust to be able to make progress on health care, and so bernie sanders puts out his plan yesterday right before the debate starts, and while he says he's not ripping up the affordable care act, he certainly is eliminating that and replacing it with something else, but the something that he's replacing it with is something that will never get through, unfortunately, this congress that he will have. it's got honestly a snowball's chance in hell of doing that,
and so the question for voters is, do you want to be supporting somebody who is a visionary and gets things done or do you want to be supporting an idea which doesn't really have any chance of getting done, and that's what it's going to come down to. >> but, bob, bernie sanders, his message is clearly resonating with people in iowa and new hampshire, especially those young voters, right? >> oh, absolutely. he's doing very well in iowa and new hampshire and six months ago if you said, wow, bernie sanders can win both of them, which is within his reach, he can do this. however, he's got to worry about the states that follow that, but he's hoping to just change this whole race by winning the first two contests and that's where iowa is very important. hillary clinton finished third in iowa in 2008, and i do think that they could have gone after sanders earlier, especially on guns. those attacks are resonating. hillary clinton's i think got a weakness on her ties to wall street. sander's weakness to the base is guns. i think they both landed some major punches last night, but
hillary clinton still remains the front-runner. >> while she remains the front-runner nationwide but not in iowa and new hampshire necessarily, it's very, very close. actually a new cnn poll of polls show clinton and sanders tied in iowa i should say but she still has a double digit lead nationwi nationwide. jennifer, is there a disconnect between voters in this key state and the rest of the country? what's going on here? >> well, i mean, both iowa and new hampshire are not representative of the full electorate because they are nondiverse states, and, in fact, there was a bloomberg poll that was out in the past couple days that demonstrates that the iowa democratic electorate is more progressive than the rest of the country. in fact, there's something like 43% of them self-identify as socialists. so, you know, there's clearly a much more progressive base in iowa. nonetheless, i think the clinton team feels very strongly that with their ground game in iowa, that they have been preparing
for this. they have been preparing for the fact that they knew it was going to be a close race, and they've got an incredible organization on the ground. not that bernie sanders does not have an organization on the ground, he does, too, but their depth, the depth of their endorsements, the depth of their presence in all of those counties i think will overcome what the polls might demonstrate to be a tie. i think she's going to pull it out in the end. >> bob, lastly to you, what i think observers noticed last night not only was hillary clinton more focused on bernie sanders, but also she aligned herself with president obama. that's not something that we've seen in the past necessarily. before she sort of distanced herself, but there's a change here. why is that? >> she has distanced herself on some foreign policy decisions the president has made, but certainly last night she was holding the president very tight, and that's her big advantage in this race. it's with minority voters. that's where sanders has really struggled, and that's why he's not doing well in the states
that are not iowa and new hampshire. so i think that's going to be a trend going down the line where hillary clinton is going to be defending president obama and the affordable care act. i don't know if those health care twakts are really working because everybody knows bernie sanders certainly wants single payer, has been pushing for single payer for a long time, but it is a good point that the governor raises is that that would not get through congress, certainly not through this congress. >> all right. jennifer granholm, bob cusack, thank you very much for sharing that perspective. we appreciate it. looking at the other side of the aisle for republican ted cruz, the road to the white house may wind through new hampshire this week where the texas senator is embarking on a bus tour. cruz planning to visit all ten of the state's counties this week. and he seems to be taking a page out of donald trump's playbook talking tough on border control, vowing to build a ball to fight illegal immigration. cnn's sunlen serfaty is traveling with the cruz campaign.
good morning. >> reporter: good morning, the bus tour really is this intensified feud between him and donald trump, something we saw play out all weekend, really ratcheting up the tensions all weekend and continues to play out on the ground here in new hampshire. ted cruz really honing right in on the message, arguing to voters that donald trump, he thinks, is not a true conservative, and trying to use donald trump's own words against him. cruz over the weekend tweeting out, even donald trump himself says new york values are different from the values in iowa and across the country and tweeted out this clip from donald trump's appearance on "meet the press" in 1999. >> how about gays serving in the military? >> it would not disturb me -- i mean, hey, i lived in new york city and manhattan all my life so, you know, my views are a little bit different than if i lived in iowa perhaps. >> donald trump wasting no time really addressing that sort of label that ted cruz is trying to pin on him. trump tweeting out over the
weekend, quote, is this the new york that ted cruz is talking about and demonizing? that was also a picture of the world trade center falling after the 9/11 attacks. it's interesting, pam, as ted cruz hits the ground here in new hampshire, last night the first question at his first town hall right off the bat was about donald trump. later he got a question about this new york values controversy, so clearly this sort of rivalry that is intensifying is really resonating with voters as they move towards making their final decision if they're in this same conservative lane. they're trying to choose between donald trump and ted cruz. these arguments are resonating with the voters here. >> clearly the bromance between the two is over. hp happening right now a security operation is under way to rescue three americans who have gone missing in iraq according to iraqi officials who are urgently trying to locate the three contractors. they were reportedly grabbed by
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making. earlier today cnn spoke to the brother of jason rezaian. >> he seems in good spirits. he's, you know, together. he's really -- can't wait to get out there, see people, meet people, but right now he has to focus on getting himself better and getting out there. first thing he asked for was some information. he feels like he's been starved of information for the last 18 months, having to live off of iranian state tv and getting your news from there isn't where you want to be as a reporter and he just wants to see what's going on in the world. i think he was surprised and shocked at the amount of attention that this was getting. >> and according to an internal memo from "the washington post," jason rezaian tells staffers he's, quote, a hell of a lot better than he was 48 hours ago. let's get to cnn's senior international correspondent frederik pleitgen in germany with more on this. fred, you're right near the hospital where the americans are being treated. what's the very latest? >> reporter: well, the latest is that they are still being
treated at this point in time, and it's interesting because, pamela, they want to get the reintegration of these three men going obviously as fast as possible, but at the same time they don't want to rush things. one of the other things we've heard is, for instance, ali rezaian has not even been able to speak face-to-face with jason yet. he's been able to speak on the phone with him but has not been able to meet him because the doctors here don't want these three men to be overwhelmed at this early stage. you can imagine, there's a lot of family members, there's a lot of friends, there's a lot of supporters of these three men who are pouring in here at this point in time. however, the doctors here are saying let's take things slowly because, of course, aside from the physical state that was a great concern while these men were in detention, the signi psychological state is also something that's a great concern and is certainly part of the recovery process and is something that can actually take quite a while. we have to keep in mind, for instance, that jason rezaian, one of the things that "the washington post" said was that for a long time he was in
solitary confinement, and he also said that that was the thing that was most difficult for him to deal with was that isolation. so they're trying to take things very slowly. they're obviously very professional about it here. they've done this many, many times. bowe bergdahl was one of the ones who came through here as well. at the same time, of course, they want to reunite these three men with their families as fast as possible. >> it's been a hectic few days to say the least between the u.s. and iran on a number of different fronts. what is the state department saying about all of this? >> reporter: yeah. it's been a long time since there's been this much communication between iran and the u.s. in a very, very long time it seems like. one of the things, of course, that we have to keep in mind is while this agreement, this deal to swap these prisoners was apparently in its final stages to be implemented, you had, of course, that incident that happened there in the persian gulf with the ten u.s. sailors that were taken into custody by the navy of iran's revolutionary
guard. that, of course, was an international incident. it was something that could have derailed this entire process. it was something that could have caused a great deal of grief between these two nations, and one of the things, of course, that happened there was that as this incident was being dealt with by the state department, buyer the others, was that you had secretary of state kerry who was in direct contact with the iranians and here is what he said about what was going on. >> i was very angry. i was very, very frustrated and angry that that was released. i raised it immediately with the iranians. >> did you send a message essentially that said if you don't release these sailors then all bets are off with the implementation of the nuclear deal? >> i'm not going to discuss what i said or didn't say, but suffice it to say that i made it crystal clear how serious this was. it was imperative to get it
resolved. >> reporter: so a lot of fronts where all of this could have all gone bad and the release of these two men would have been jeopardized but in the end obviously it all worked out and certainly if you talk to the families of the three men who were released, they are, of course, very grateful that they will soon have their loved ones back, pamela. >> i can only imagine. fred pleitgen, thank you so much. and with me now to talk about all of this, cnn chief national security correspondent jim sciutto and we're also joined by ambassador john limbert. he spent more than 400 days in captivity during the iran hostage crisis, including nine months in solitary confinement. thank you so much for being here with us to both of you. >> thank you. >> so, jim, i want to start with you because you actually had a chance to speak with jason rezaian's brother, and you asked him about those final moments on the tarmac before the americans left iran where there was this delay. walk us through what happened. >> it's interesting. i have been speaking to the rezaian family for months now,
and during jason's captivity there, there are many things they couldn't say in public. they didn't want to disturb the process in any way. they didn't want to make it less likely he would be freed. now that they're out they're able to speak a bit more honestly and open particularly about the final moments. what ali said is that jason's mother and wife wanted to be on that plane with him out of iran, and the iranians were pushing back. they said they weren't on the manifest, they weren't going to let them take off but jason and the u.s. state department stood their ground. listen to the way ali described those final moments. >> they had been told repeatedly by the interrogators they wouldn't let her leave with jason, and that's what caused the problems. the u.s. stuck to its guns. they had said that, yeah, she had to come along with jason. the iranians as they have done all along continued to manipulate them, continued to try and mess with them and
prevented her from leaving for some period of time, but thanks to the swiss and thanks to the americans, she came home with him as well. >> right there you hear him say, as they have done all along, the iranians continued to manipulate them. you can see the frustration the family has had. i will tell you, pamela, it has been an ordeal, of course, most of all for the prisoners, jason rezaian among them, but also for the families because they just didn't know how this was going to end, and they had so many false starts throughout this when they thought they might be freed and they weren't. so tremendous relief for them as well. >> and you imagine just in the final moments on the tarmac if the thought crossed their mind is this actually going to happen, are we actually going to be able to leave? now they're in germany. ambassador, you know what it's like to be held captive. you were among a group of diplomats who were held hostage in tehran more than 30 years ago. what goes through your mind once you're free
? >> well, first of all, it's wonderful to get out. you know it's going to end at some time but you don't know when. you're not aware of the negotiations or the details of what's going on to get you out, and, frankly, you really don't care that much about the arrangements. i know people have -- some people have criticized the swap and they say this wasn't a good idea, but if you're on the inside, a swap whether it's for ten people or 20 people seems like a perfectly reasonable idea if it's going to get you out of captivity. >> and on that note, are you surprised though that this prisoner swap went through, that it was successful in the sense that we now have the americans who have been freed from iran? >> no, i'm not. i mean, this was spoken about a long -- this has been spoken
about for a long time. i mean, these people were -- why they were taken, for what reason we really don't know. part of it was internal iranian politics, an attempt to embarrass president rouhani and his team, but part of it also looking -- holding these people as bargaining chips to get some advantage and they got these six or seven iranians out. as i understand the original list was much longer. what i also understand is that these were very long and i think 14 months of negotiation which began with the iranians doing what they very often do in these negotiations and reciting their laundry list of real or imagined grievances that go back 40 or 50 years. >> and then on that note, jim, toward the tail end of this and you have the situation with the ten american sailors, walk us
through how that may have played into all of this and also the sanctions that were imposed after the americans left on these 11 iranian individuals. a lot was going on there. i imagine a lot of calculations being made. >> well, in public we weren't aware that there were these negotiations, secret negotiations, going on for the release of rezaian, abedini, hekmati and the others so close -- nearly coming to a head as those sailors were taken. so you can imagine on both sides the alarm, the nervousness when the u.s. sailors are taken, how that could disrupt the whole process. they had been working at this for months. not to mention we did know implementation of num nuclear deal was nearing as those sailors were taken. you had all these diplomatic strands converging and, frankly, could have easily blown up. yes, you have two years, 2 1/2 years now of new diplomatic contact between the u.s. and iran and we saw some of the benefits of that, but these were sensitive issues.
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costello. thanks so much for being here with me on this monday. donald trump is making his 2016 pitch directly to evangelicals this hour. take a look here. these are some live pictures from liberty university in virginia, a popular and critical stop for republicans looking to boost their support among conservatives. trump's appearance comes as the british parliament prepares to debate whether or not the bi billionaire businessman should be banned from the uk after more than half a million people signed a petition calling for the ban because of, quote, hate speech. cnn is covering all angles of this. jim acosta in virginia with donald trump and max foster is live in london. jim, our senior white house correspondent, what is the latest? it looks like a packed house there. >> reporter: it absolutely is, pam, and i'm going to do my best to hear you as well as i can right now. donald trump is getting the christian rock treatment you might see here at liberty university. the university founded by christian conservatives in
virginia, and donald trump is essentially talking to this evangelical crowd because he wants to go after a key voting bloc. now, we should point out, yes this, arena, this basketball arena, is packed for donald trump here. he's going on out in a few moments. i was just talking to some students, talking to officials with the university. we should point out to our viewers that the students are required to go to these events during their semesters here at liberty university. they get one skip a student told me, so they can skip the' ve ev but their attendance is mandatory and it is checked by officials at the university. we also know donald trump can pack an auditorium. he's certainly doing that here today, and he's been talking about his faith in recent days, talking about his relationship with the evangelical community. that might sound surprising, might sound strange to some of donald trump's critics, but he's talking about it, and here is what he had to say over the weekend on cnn's "state of the
union." >> i have a great relationship with god. i have a great relationship with the evangelicals. in fact, nationwide i'm up by a lot. i'm leading everybody. but i like to be good. i don't like to have to ask for forgiveness, and i am good. i don't do a lot of things that are bad. i try to do nothing that's bad. i live a very different life than probably a lot of people would think. >> reporter: now, what will be interesting to watch for because christian conservatives are going to be listen to his words very carefully here, is whether he goes after ted cruz who is a darling of the evangelicals. does he go after ted cruz and question his eligibility to be president. does he go after cruz and talk about the loans that ted cruz got for his campaign back in 2012? we'll be watching and listening for all of this but this is sort of evangelical week for donald trump. he's not only speaking here at liberty university today, he's going to be at oral roberts university in oklahoma later on this week. so donald trump definitely wooing evangelicals all week
long as we get very close to those iowa caucuses, pam. >> and plus you're able to report with all that going on in the background. jim acosta hang in there because we're going to be going back to you soon when trump speaks. max foster, let's bring you in because there's a debate going on in the british parliament essentially to decide whether or not to ban trump from the uk. what's going on? what's the latest there? >> reporter: well, it's extraordinary really. i can't remember a time when a whole debate was dedicated to banning one person. certainly questions have been raised about banning people in the past. people have been banned in the past but for a whole debate, a three-hour debate to discuss one person is pretty extraordinary. it doesn't have any teeth though, pam. there's no vote at the end of it which means he will be band. that's really a decision for the home secretary. she makes that on her own. but she's made clear that she's open to that option. so if this whole debate rises up and people rise up against donald trump, maybe she will reconsider. but the prime minister saying he doesn't think donald trump should be banned. so it's extraordinary really,
but donald trump's senior executive here in the uk has spoken in the last couple of hours saying this is absurd, absurd, ridiculous waste of time, and she's actually saying donald trump will withdraw a billion dollars worth of planned investment in scotland if, indeed, he is banned. i think really what we're talking about today isn't a ban, it's about lots of people very fed up with what donald trump has been saying, particularly about muslims. they think it's outrageous he should get away with saying these things and they have parliamentary privilege. they can say what they want in parliament without being sued in any way as a result. i think you're just going to see a lively expression of anti-trumpism in the uk. >> and half a million people have signed this petition. max foster, thank you so much, really appreciate it. and cnn political commentator ross duthat joins me with michael war reason, a staff writer from "the weekly standard." so next hour's debate in the uk
have any effect on voters in the u.s.? >> well, if there is any effect, it will only boost trump. i think that there's no way that a foreign country, even one as close to us culturally as the united kingdom, talking about banning donald trump is going to hurt him here in the united states. it's probably a big part of his appeal is that he's being talked about as being banned in other parts of the world, but this is kind of silliness i think and really not a serious issue here in the united states. >> okay. ross, to you now because prominent conservative, writer, and talk show host mark levin is scolding trump telling him to ert cut the crap or he will lose lots and lots of conservatives as supporters. is he correct? >> well, that's not clear. levin is an interesting case study because he, like a number of conservative talk radio hosts, were very anti-trump four or five years ago when trump was
making noises about maybe running as an independent or something and that point conservative talk radio tended to point out correctly that trump didn't have a particularly conservative record. now, this time around talk radio has been much more favorable to trump, and a lot of people think they've been favorable on the theory that they build him up, and then when he inevitably collapses, that makes a lot more room for ted cruz, and sure enough, with trump attacking cruz, you see talk radio attacking trump. the big question here though is does it actually matter or is this a case where sort of the republican voters are less ideologically consistent and less conservative than a lot of talk radio wants to think and than a lot of political conservatives want to think? it's an open question. i think we'll find out if this turn against trump has an effect, but it could be a kind of frankenstein monster scenario where talk road spent so long building up trump that it's very
hard for them to tear him down at this point. >> so you have levin's thoughts there. michael, to bring you in, in the more immediate future though, we know that trump is going to be speaking at liberty university in virginia with a crowd of evangelicals. what should he do in terms of handling cruz considering that cruz is well liked among evangelicals? do you think he's going to go after him? >> he may go after him. i don't know. it's hard to say what trump's relationship with evangelicals is despite what he says, that everything is great with them. i think -- i agree with ross there's sort of an open question, a, about how big evangelicals are within the republican electorate this time around. i think they're certainly smaller than we were 20 or 30 years ago, about you they're still significant, and it's less about sort of the personal connection that trump may have or may not have with evangelicals. i think what you're going to see in the next two weeks is a very hard case being made by ted cruz and others about donald trump's positions on some social issues
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he tries to appeal to evangelicals as we near the iowa caucuses and we have ted cruz, the other leading candidate in new hampshire doing this bus tour going to ten counties in the state. what is each of the leading candidates, what are they trying to accomplish as we get closer and closer to the iowa caucuses? >> well, i think cruz is trying to basically consolidate the evangelical vote at this point, and what you have seen with his gains in the polls, especially in iowa over the last month or so, is that they seem to have mostly come at the expense of ben carson, who during his fall autumn surge was doing very well among evangelicals, so cruz is getting a lot of those voters. he has a pitch that's very well targeted, especially to older evangelicals, sort of old christian coalition moral majority voters, and trump, on the other hand, trump does well with some evangelicals, but they tend to be you might say the more secular evangelicals if that makes sense. evangelicals who are a little less likely to attend church, who are a little less religious
or pious overall, which is again not surprising given that trump himself is not particularly religious and doesn't have a particularly -- well, i wouldn't say strong record, he has no record at all of being a social conservative. so with trump, trump wants just enough evangelicals to sort of hold his more secular coalition at 25 or 30 or 35% of the vote and cruz wants to sort of complete the consolidation, but really for cruz that means he's also in competition in iowa with marco rubio who has about 10% to 15% of the vote and does well i think with somewhat younger evangelicals than cruz does. so there are a lot of moving pieces, but trump wants just enough evangelicals to stay at the 30% or so that he needs to win an early state. >> and michael, i want to get your perspective on this because trump told our jake tapper that he has a great relationship with god, but also he said he has a great relationship with
evangelicals. what do you think? is that true? >> well, you know, only donald trump can know what his own relationship with god is. >> in terms of the voters, not with god. >> we can have some informed speculation. >> yeah. can you get inside of his head for us, please? no. >> yes, exactly. well, i do think that trump has a real problem here, which is that he's not of the evangelical stock. he's not even speaking in a language that i think appeals to evangelicals. he was talking in iowa several months ago and talked about he doesn't really get forgiveness and he gets to that in the cnn interview, that he goes to church to get the little wafer and the drink of wine. he's a presbyterian but he's not part of the evangelical wing of the presbyterian church. he's part of the mainline branch. he's also sort of wavered from the presbyterian line in some of his history and he's gone to norman vincent peels church in manhattan who preaches a different kind of prosperity gosp gospel. >> power of positive thinking.
>> he has some problems speaking the language of evangelicals. i agree with ross, if he's going to have a good relationship, it's the more secular evangelicals, the people more likely to go to church on christmas and easter. we don't know how big a part of the republican coalition that is, but it could be significant or it could not be. >> one thing is for sure, it's a packed house at liberty university as the crowd waits for donald trump to speak there. we're monitoring the situation. taking a live look. ross and michael, thanks so much for sharing your perspective. still to come on this monday morning, could the iran nuclear deal get you a better deal at your corner gas station? the effect it could have on prices up next.
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hello, everyone. i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. we're going to show you live pictures, this is liberty university. a packed house is there today to see donald trump set to take the stage any minute to speak to the students and public at the christian school in lynchburg, virginia. >> he's speaking at a convocation. you're looking at the university president. that's jerry falwell, jr. this university was founded by jerry falwell, a christian university, big with evangelicals. while donald trump will be speaking at lib neerty in virgi, his audience in iowa where evangelicals will play a huge role. jim acosta is in the house right there in liberty. jim, give